1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 08 Sep 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 499       Contents:1 Re: Canada's Equitable Life begins moving off VMS 1 Re: Canada's Equitable Life begins moving off VMS 1 Re: Canada's Equitable Life begins moving off VMS 8 For Sale:  2 x DEC 4000-720 (rack-mounted) plus add-ons.< Re: For Sale:  2 x DEC 4000-720 (rack-mounted) plus add-ons.< Re: For Sale:  2 x DEC 4000-720 (rack-mounted) plus add-ons." Re: Frances and disaster tolerance Re: have fun with "inquire" < Re: Itanic Adoption Survey from 23-August-2004 Computerworld< Re: Itanic Adoption Survey from 23-August-2004 Computerworld% Re: Itanium not meeting Intel's goals % Re: Itanium not meeting Intel's goals 1 JAVA deleted without warning by VMS 7.3-2 upgrade 5 Re: JAVA deleted without warning by VMS 7.3-2 upgrade ! Maximum distance for VMS clusters ( Re: Planned port of freeware to Itanium?, Re: Print to file using print/queue command. Re: Problem with LPD queue# We're selling DS10 and DS15 systems 6 Re: Well, my VAX won't make a year of uptime after all6 Re: Well, my VAX won't make a year of uptime after all6 RE: Well, my VAX won't make a year of uptime after all6 Re: Well, my VAX won't make a year of uptime after all6 Re: Well, my VAX won't make a year of uptime after all6 Re: Well, my VAX won't make a year of uptime after all" Re: why mainframes are still used?" RE: why mainframes are still used?" RE: why mainframes are still used?" Re: why mainframes are still used?" Re: why mainframes are still used?" Re: why mainframes are still used?" Re: why mainframes are still used? [OT]: The state of CS education   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 09:59:34 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG: Subject: Re: Canada's Equitable Life begins moving off VMS0 Message-ID: <00A378F1.80759C27@SendSpamHere.ORG>  _ In article <413e5ec5$0$172$ad3619e8@news.netcarrier.net>, "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.com> writes:  >  >> >>>D >> >> Bugger off.  This is comp.os.vms, not asci.shit.free.marketing >> >>  >> >L >> >             Bad Day or still haven't figured out how online doc's work? >>I >> Huh?  What does your posting a link to an advert for sleaze have to do  >> with on-line doc? >>I >   What Sleaze It's a article ABout Equitable Canada Phasing out VMS for  >Microsoft Windows  3 It's a commercial for a sleaze company inclusively!  --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2004 05:46:16 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski): Subject: Re: Canada's Equitable Life begins moving off VMS= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0409080446.5bc3842c@posting.google.com>   m "rob kas" <droprob@nospam-paychoice.com-nospam> wrote in message news:<10jrkplte11rpba@corp.supernews.com>...  > http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=133153&liArticleTypeID=1&liCategoryID=1&liChannelID=9&liFlavourID=1&sSearch=&nPage=1     ; I guess they prefer viruses and more downtime with inactive ; batch ... VMS queues are superior and throw in security and 7 clustering and this just shows the stupidity of many IT 6 people out there ... what a moron ... "the hardware is; obsolete" ... but VMS reliability is not ... :the screen is 9 easier to use" ... but how much will you be able to us it 8 when windoze is down ... another company who will end up( with higher tco because of stupidity ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:43:37 GMT / From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> : Subject: Re: Canada's Equitable Life begins moving off VMS: Message-ID: <tUE%c.217984$bp1.175484@twister.nyroc.rr.com>   Okay, I like this one:  L ...It used to run a VMS infrastructure with the JSS job scheduling system...L Equitable Life has "made a few calls" to ASCI's support centre for help withL ActiveBatch, but Garland said, "I usually get a patch in a day...You (would)% expect a week or two, if not longer."     J We use the still supported JSS on our systems, rather intensely too.  OverK the last 10 years, I've had to call once about an obscure problem.  I had a  fix the next day.   K JSS is fast and easy to use.  Oh wait, there's no GUI.  No wonder they need 
 to change.   -Jeff     @ "rob kas" <droprob@nospam-paychoice.com-nospam> wrote in message* news:10jrkplte11rpba@corp.supernews.com... >  http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=133153&liArticleTypeID=1&liCategoryID=1&liChannelID=9&liFlavourID=1&sSearch=&nPage=1  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:43:15 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> A Subject: For Sale:  2 x DEC 4000-720 (rack-mounted) plus add-ons. * Message-ID: <2q8d7qFs2kp9U1@uni-berlin.de>  4 I have reluctantly decided to part with my beautiful machines as described below:    6 2 x DEC 4000-720 (each with 2 Alpha 21064 processors),4 each with 256 Mbytes, in a rack-mount cabinet.  Each9 machine has 4 x DSSI buses, + one DSSI/SCSI (configurable 5 as either DSSI or SCSI) bus.  Futurebus+, 2 x 10 Mbit 3 Ethernet adaptors each, 1 TLZ04 DAT (I think) each, : 1 CD drive (can't remember which model) each.  The systems8 have been switched off for a couple of years, though I'm: pretty confident that they'll be in working order (this is/ after all *DEC* equipment, not Compaq or HP ;-)   < If necessary, 2 BA350 shelves fully stocked with RZ29's plus9 2 HSD30 controllers.  VMS 7.3-2 pre-installed if desired, : plus the complete and latest set of Layered Products CD's.  < Suitable for a *very* enthusiastic serious hobbyist only :-)  < Location is Coventry (UK).  Purchaser to collect (you'd need a fair sized van).   Reasonable offers ...   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:50:03 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> E Subject: Re: For Sale:  2 x DEC 4000-720 (rack-mounted) plus add-ons. , Message-ID: <mJednW2oqJ-6t6LcRVn-tA@igs.net>   Roy Omond wrote:6 > I have reluctantly decided to part with my beautiful > machines as described below: >  > 8 > 2 x DEC 4000-720 (each with 2 Alpha 21064 processors),6 > each with 256 Mbytes, in a rack-mount cabinet.  Each; > machine has 4 x DSSI buses, + one DSSI/SCSI (configurable 7 > as either DSSI or SCSI) bus.  Futurebus+, 2 x 10 Mbit 5 > Ethernet adaptors each, 1 TLZ04 DAT (I think) each, < > 1 CD drive (can't remember which model) each.  The systems: > have been switched off for a couple of years, though I'm< > pretty confident that they'll be in working order (this is1 > after all *DEC* equipment, not Compaq or HP ;-)  > > > If necessary, 2 BA350 shelves fully stocked with RZ29's plus; > 2 HSD30 controllers.  VMS 7.3-2 pre-installed if desired, < > plus the complete and latest set of Layered Products CD's. > > > Suitable for a *very* enthusiastic serious hobbyist only :-) > > > Location is Coventry (UK).  Purchaser to collect (you'd need > a fair sized van). >  > Reasonable offers ...       C Does this mean that HP's count of VMS systems in operation drops to  411,000 - 2  =  410,998 ??  ;-)   L I wonder how long HP is going to use that same system count? Perhaps as longH as the Soviet Union claimed that 99.99% of voters actually voted for Joe Stalin.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 17:00:08 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> E Subject: Re: For Sale:  2 x DEC 4000-720 (rack-mounted) plus add-ons. * Message-ID: <2q8op0Frm585U1@uni-berlin.de>   John Smith wrote:    > Roy Omond wrote: > 6 >>I have reluctantly decided to part with my beautiful >>machines as described below: >> >> >> [... snip ...]  >> >>Reasonable offers ...  > E > Does this mean that HP's count of VMS systems in operation drops to ! > 411,000 - 2  =  410,998 ??  ;-)    Well, I guess so !  < Actually make that minus another 2.  Yesterday, at one of my8 customers, I had the dubious honour of switching off two) VAX 7660's for their last and final time.    Brought a tear to the eye ;-|   @ Good news is, though, they're being replaced by a very healthily, configured new ES45 (of course running VMS).  ; Anyone interested in purchasing two 6-processor VAX 7660's, B each with 1 Gbyte memory ?  The VMS licence would be transferable.    	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2004 17:34:40 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)+ Subject: Re: Frances and disaster tolerance * Message-ID: <2q8u5gFt41koU1@uni-berlin.de>  , In article <413B609B.5DC685E9@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:L > Kennedy Space centre saw the storm coming and on Thursday and Friday, they= > "prepared" for the coming stormby shutting down the centre.  > P > Interestingly, the web sites hosted at KSC such as www.ksc.nasa.gov as well asN > some of the NASA TV real media feeds have been offline since then. And sinceK > Frances is late, they've been offline for days now. (I know, web and real J > aren't "mission critical" for NASA, but it is still an indication of theL > impact of having to shot down a data centre for days in case fo flooding). > O > Similarly, when a few years ago, some hurricane threathened the Houston area, 3 > they shut down that centre in preparation for it.  > G > Considering NASA has a large network linking geographically dispersed N > locations, I find it interesting that they don't "fall back" their web sites > to an alternate location.  >  > M > NASA probably has the luxury of being able to shut down its sites.  How did I > businesses behave in Florida ? Would they have actually shut down their M > systems to reduce damage if flooding did occur, or would they have just let G > their data centre run until it failed (power outage and/or flooding).   J I would love to know how the Martin Marietta (now probably called LockheedH Martin) complex in Orlando fared?  It was the most bullet-proof computer center I have ever seen.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2004 01:23:32 -0700 + From: Pierre.Bru@spotimage.fr (Bru, Pierre) $ Subject: Re: have fun with "inquire"= Message-ID: <a39f53b1.0409080023.3628772e@posting.google.com>   8 the _feature_ comes from SET PASS/GEN, not from INQUIRE.   Pierre.   p Pierre.Bru@spotimage.fr (Bru, Pierre) wrote in message news:<a39f53b1.0408310532.255f5143@posting.google.com>... > hi,  > B > the folowing procedure (say pwd.com) does what you think it does >  > <-- cut here --> > $ set pas/gen=8 	 > invalid " > $ inquire pwd "0123456789012345" > <-- cut here --> >  > but this one >  > <-- cut here --> > $ set pas/gen=8 	 > invalid # > $ inquire pwd "01234567890123456"  > <-- cut here --> > : > does return to the prompt without executing the inquire. >  > <-- cut here --> > $ @pwd >  > tessiessin > sonitaile  > hindelbes  > rinelgared > ligueling  > E > Choose a password from this list, or press RETURN to get a new list < > %RMS-W-RTB, 223600 byte record too large for user's buffer >   > That word is not on this list: >  > tessiessin > sonitaile  > hindelbes  > rinelgared > ligueling  > E > Choose a password from this list, or press RETURN to get a new list  > $  > <-- cut here --> >  >  > I run OpenVMS V7.3-1' > do you have the same funny behavior ?  > 	 > Pierre.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:53:09 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> E Subject: Re: Itanic Adoption Survey from 23-August-2004 Computerworld 8 Message-ID: <6b7tj09q1ak6qvqnfd528tu2og107eqgaj@4ax.com>  M On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:44:42 -0400, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:    >Tom Adams wrote: Q >The intent was to mfg enough N-VAX CPUs to last 5 years when the CPU production  > >was shut down.  Intent is fine, but they didn't last 5 years.  O That was CPUs for new VAX systems. Customers rushed to buy them & they sold out P under five years. There are sufficient spare parts for those on hardware support: contracts. The requirement for these CPUs was factored in.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2004 06:25:39 -0700 % From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) E Subject: Re: Itanic Adoption Survey from 23-August-2004 Computerworld = Message-ID: <ea44f5a1.0409080525.61494fbf@posting.google.com>   \ David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message news:<413E640A.1070905@tsoft-inc.com>... > Tom Adams wrote: > ^ > > "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message news:<413896EA.7000002@MMaz.com>... > > L > >>I know, I'm more than a week behind on reading, but did anyone else see B > >>this little interesting survey (+/- 4% error) from Interex/HP? > >>A > >>How does your organization view HP's Itanium Server road map?  > >> > >>No plan to upgrade: 42%  > >>Not sure: 17%  > >>Plans to upgrade: 16% ' > >>Has concerns/not a good option: 15%  > >>Has already implemented: 9%  > >>D > >>Amazing that HP can proceed to keep their collective heads in a G > >>dark-space, and ignore that folks are still not fond of Itanic, or  6 > >>perhaps still angered about the demise of Alpha... > >>	 > >>Barry  > >> > > D > > Could be that a good percentage of the "no plan", "not sure" andE > > "concerns" voters will end up migrating.  Maybe they have put off % > > looking into the migration issue.  >  > K > But can HP wait for these people?  Can Intel continue with today's sales  F > numbers?  The itanic might not be there for those who wait too long. >   E I did see somewhere that HP is expecting most users to migrate before B 2007.  But the survey seems to indicate that most have not started, planning, so the migrations could run later.  E Such a low planning rate and the third-party software problem lead to 	 concerns.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2004 08:40:41 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) . Subject: Re: Itanium not meeting Intel's goals3 Message-ID: <yMJ0+Ehsiwdk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <413E69D3.C922D72E@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >  > IA64   [...] 0 > downscaled from total dominance of the market./                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   H    IMHO, that can be translated to "Industry Standard".  So now if IntelD    agrees that IA64 will not be THE Industry Standard what spin will    Carly put on it?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:55:02 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> . Subject: Re: Itanium not meeting Intel's goals, Message-ID: <_pudnYBAzaDPtqLcRVn-hQ@igs.net>   Bob Koehler wrote:7 > In article <413E69D3.C922D72E@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >> >> IA64  > [...] 1 >> downscaled from total dominance of the market. 1 >                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  > D >    IMHO, that can be translated to "Industry Standard".  So now ifG >    Intel agrees that IA64 will not be THE Industry Standard what spin  >    will Carly put on it?  H carly(tm): "Notice how the Itanium processor's packaging can be enhancedK through HP's exclusive color choices we provide. Customers can choose which I color heat sink they want and whether they want to pimp-up the cases with I neon lights and mount 'low-rider' shocks. I happen to think that the aqua J blue color we offer is very complimentary. And besides, it really sets off  my eyes nicely don't you think?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:43:57 -0400 1 From: Verne Britton <verne-REMOVE-THIS@wvnet.edu> : Subject: JAVA deleted without warning by VMS 7.3-2 upgrade) Message-ID: <413F1AAD.C4A6AFCC@wvnet.edu>   3 (problem and solution... in case this bites others)   A We run Oracle on VMS, and over the weekend upgraded from 7.3-1 to  7.3-2.  A Later my Oracle people said they were getting Java errors, namely   +     No version of JDK installation detected   A Years ago I was surprised to find Java 1.1.8 on my system as part A of some VMS upgrade;  now it has disappeared just as quietly  :-)   . ITRC says (gosh I do miss DSNlink), in article  0    Oracle error after upgrading to OpenVMS 7.3-2    Date: 2/10/04    Document id: VO040206_CW01       [...]  D    This is because Java was not included as part of the base OpenVMS 7.3-2 G    installation. As a result, customers who relied on Java being on the  systemG    (typically due to an OpenVMS Alpha installation or upgrade) may have  to  F    manually re-install Java. The non-inclusion of JAVA was intended to be  G    stated in the 7.3-2 Release Notes, but was inadvertantly overlooked.       [...]    A HEY ENGINEERING... next time can you have a message on the screen E during the upgrade itself to mention these kinds of things to us  :-)   B I would have thought if a new version was not being installed that5 at least the old version WOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT BEHIND.   > I am grateful that HP still has the old 1.1.8 kit available in> their archive/retired section of Java distributions for VMS !!@ So I followed the advice in the ITRC article and downloaded that8 old kit and installed it;  now my Oracle DBAs are happy.   Verne G -----------------------------------------------------------------------   E Verne Britton, Lead Systems Programmer   ATT:     (304) 293-5192 x230 E Systems Support Group                    (in WV, call 1-800-253-1558) @ West Virginia Network for                FAX:     (304) 293-5540G      Educational Telecomputing           verne-REMOVE-THIS AT wvnet.edu E 837 Chestnut Ridge Road                  http://vaxa.wvnet.edu/~verne  Morgantown, WV  26505    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:24:59 -0500( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>> Subject: Re: JAVA deleted without warning by VMS 7.3-2 upgrade/ Message-ID: <00A37916.8EDD4F34.3@tachysoft.com>   & >Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:43:57 -04002 >From: Verne Britton <verne-REMOVE-THIS@wvnet.edu>$ >Organization: West Virginia Network >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms; >Subject: JAVA deleted without warning by VMS 7.3-2 upgrade  >  > 4 >(problem and solution... in case this bites others) > B >We run Oracle on VMS, and over the weekend upgraded from 7.3-1 to >7.3-2.  > B >Later my Oracle people said they were getting Java errors, namely > , >    No version of JDK installation detected > B >Years ago I was surprised to find Java 1.1.8 on my system as partB >of some VMS upgrade;  now it has disappeared just as quietly  :-) > / >ITRC says (gosh I do miss DSNlink), in article  > 1 >   Oracle error after upgrading to OpenVMS 7.3-2  >   Date: 2/10/04  >   Document id: VO040206_CW01 > 	 >   [...]  > E >   This is because Java was not included as part of the base OpenVMS  >7.3-2  H >   installation. As a result, customers who relied on Java being on the >system H >   (typically due to an OpenVMS Alpha installation or upgrade) may have >to G >   manually re-install Java. The non-inclusion of JAVA was intended to  >be H >   stated in the 7.3-2 Release Notes, but was inadvertantly overlooked. > 	 >   [...]  >  > B >HEY ENGINEERING... next time can you have a message on the screenF >during the upgrade itself to mention these kinds of things to us  :-) > C >I would have thought if a new version was not being installed that 6 >at least the old version WOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT BEHIND. > ? >I am grateful that HP still has the old 1.1.8 kit available in ? >their archive/retired section of Java distributions for VMS !! A >So I followed the advice in the ITRC article and downloaded that 9 >old kit and installed it;  now my Oracle DBAs are happy.  >   N This would not be a problem for me, because I don't install java on the system disk. O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Larry(sniffing):"I smell something awful." Moe:"Yeah, well don't brag about it."   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 17:32:21 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>* Subject: Maximum distance for VMS clusters< Message-ID: <FmH%c.1760$qg4.154412@twister.southeast.rr.com>  J This post is in regards to Larry K's question:  "What is the current limitB on Cluster distance?" from the thread "VMS marketing opportunity."  K I contacted Digital Networks, http://www.digitalnetworks.net.  I had spoken D to them about long distance clustering and the concept of continetal0 clusters at HP World 2004.  Here's the response.  ' ---------------------------------------   & From: Dennis Majikas, Digital Networks  I "Dave Leverone (Sales Manager, Digital Networks) asked me to provide some 6 details on maximum distance for clusters. Here goes...  G The official party line from HP on maximum distance between VMS cluster L nodes is 500 miles. At the time this (artificial) limit was set in the earlyL 1990's, we had actually tested successfully (using an Adtech link simulator)G distances up to 12,000 miles. This demonstrated that the VMS cluster is A rock-solid at long distances, however the application latency was I significantly affected by this distance. The only practical limitation is L the effect of the physical / electrical / optical latency that is eventually@ imposed on the application response time. Network technology andI architecture has advanced to the point where it is no longer the limiting K factor. The reality-based limitations are usually the cost and availability L of the inter-site data connectivity. In essence, the documented limit of 500B miles simply serves to keep the typical customer within practical,K supportable boundaries. Beyond that, there is actual mention of VMS cluster + data replication extending to 60,000 miles:   ' http://h71000.www7.hp.com/availability/   H Above the 500 mile limit, HP treats each implementation as a unique caseH that must be designed and tested accordingly. This  addresses the entireI hardware / software / and network as an integrated cluster solution, with : particular attention to all of the component technologies:  4 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/clusters/  8 Let me know if this information satisfies your interest!   Thanks and Regards,  Dennis _______________________________  Dennis Majikas Pre-Sales Technical Support  Digital Networks	 DNPG, LLC  20 North Wentworth Avenue  Londonderry, NH 03053  USA Office: +1 603.216.6026   ' ---------------------------------------      Ken # OpenVMS.org, http://www.OpenVMS.org  ________________________" Kenneth R. Farmer <>< 336-736-7376$ SpyderByte: http://www.SpydeByte.com   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2004 13:47:23 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)1 Subject: Re: Planned port of freeware to Itanium? * Message-ID: <2q8graFrdjb0U1@uni-berlin.de>  , In article <ca6dnUzaMusXFqXcRVn-uw@igs.net>,& 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > Main, Kerry wrote: >>> -----Original Message-----8 >>> From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]# >>> Sent: September 1, 2004 5:23 PM  >>> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 5 >>> Subject: Re: Planned port of freeware to Itanium?  >>>  >> >> [snip ..] >>> I >>> I recall reading that some University got an Itanium machine for free 1 >>> in return for agreeing to port some freeware.  >>> H >>> Personally I don't want much in the way of freeware, but I _do_ wantG >>> students to get experience maintaining someone else's code.  I feel F >>> certain that one of them will someday program an airplane on which >>> I will fly.  >>	 >> Larry,  >>D >> The following url that describes a University porting open source >> prog's to OpenVMS Itanium: 1 >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/news/ospp_turin.html  >  > D > This was supposed to be a programme which had a moderate number ofM > universities participating wherein students were to get academic credit for   > the work they did in porting.   C No serious schnool is going to give credits for something as simple C as porting a program from one machine to another.  Projects Courses E have considerably more requirements.  While it is possible to come up E with an acceptable project that includes porting a program one has to F also take into account the fact that most courses have to be completedF in a single semester and that leaves only trivial programs as targets.D I know, as I was one of the first people to actually suggest portingC programs to VMS as Senior Projects.  I tryed it here but in the end E had no takers among the students.  Not hard to understand considering G on top of all the other requirements you need to add the learning curve D for VMS which has been out of academia for long enough that even theE professors no longer remember anything about it. (which makes it hard 5 to find an advisor, even if you do like the project.)   L >                               Beyond this one institution, how many others > are participating and where?  D I doubt any major university is even considering it.  Oh yeah, whileB we did receive one Alpha, we were never in the running for an IA64A box that I know of.  I'm not sure of the status of the project at B this point.  The licenses have long since expired and I have heardD nothing from my contact at HP.  I suspect he may have gone in one of purges.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2004 01:32:26 -0700 + From: Pierre.Bru@spotimage.fr (Bru, Pierre) 5 Subject: Re: Print to file using print/queue command. = Message-ID: <a39f53b1.0409080032.734a86bd@posting.google.com>    winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A36CF7.99373391@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...v > In article <908a2e17.0408232256.176e0831@posting.google.com>, jignesh_vyas@hotmail.com (Jignesh Vyas 'Jigs') writes: > >Hi, > > 9 > >Is there a way to print the files to a directory using * > >print/queue=<queue> <filename> command. > > 7 > >Can i create a queue which copies files when issuing " > >print/queue=<queue> command ??? > > F > >Reason to do this to prepare the file in a directory with all printH > >ready files (header, page break..etc.) and then later copy this filesG > >to another printer which can print these files. I can't ask users to I > >copy files to common directory instead of print bcos they can only use F > >print option and copy option is not available to them..So i have to? > >find some other way to collect those files in a common area.  > K > (This is a long URL which you'll have to cut-and-paste, eliminating gaps, K > unless you're using Mozilla or some browser smart enough to remove blanks 
 > itself.) > " > http://groups.google.com/groups?O > hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&threadm=XzcOc.6826%24iE4.2109%40news.cpqcorp.net& A > rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dcomp.os.vms%2B%2522custom%2Bsymbiont% I > 2522%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG%26scoring%3Dd   = and this is a site that transform long URLs into short ones:   http://tinyurl.com/    Pierre.   N > This is the whole thread from the end of July where we discussed essentiallyL > this problem - replacing the regular symbiont on a queue with a custom oneG > that does whatever you want, in this case, copying files into another  > directory. > 	 > -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:23:17 +0200 2 From: "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de># Subject: Re: Problem with LPD queue 5 Message-ID: <chmfgn$nn0$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>     Thanks to Jeffrey, John and Phil  F the problem with my TCPIP$TELNETSYM queue was, I used the wrong port. H Formerly with UCX$TELNETSYM it was 4242. Now with 9100 everything is ok  and the queue is working.    Regards  Otto    -   ------------------------------------------- , | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |, | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |, | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |, | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |-   -------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:14:02 -0400; From: "Island Computers USA" <dbturner@islandco.com.nospam> , Subject: We're selling DS10 and DS15 systems0 Message-ID: <10jubcm29e9uude@news.supernews.com>   FYI    Qty of each in stock   David    --   David B Turner Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory St., Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  EXT.201 Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner_at_hpaq.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:21:58 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG? Subject: Re: Well, my VAX won't make a year of uptime after all 0 Message-ID: <00A378F4.A172D237@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <YqudnebBJa2uFKPcRVn-gA@adelphia.com>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes: - >Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: f >> In article <T4t%c.21419$vy.9144@attbi_s52>, brad@rabbit.dnsalias.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes: >>  b >>>In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIMECKDMAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:J >>>>!Not sure why you think there is a problem.  You basically just rent aI >>>!line, get a static ip and have your MX records point to it.  Your ISP , >>>!should be able to take care of all that. >>> M >>>True, but I'm used to an ISP that hands out dynamic addresses only - I was N >>>"hoping" that there was a way to cope with that scenario.  Perhaps not.	:-) >>  R >> There is.  Use www.dyndns.org or another dynamic DNS site.  You reserve a name,Q >> you tell them whenever your numeric-IP changes - and there are ways to do this I >> automatically - and your new numeric-IP propagates around accordingly.  > H >Several Broadband ISP's specifically prohibit running servers on their E >residential services or their DHCP addresses.  Some do not actively  . >enforce their TOS until there is a complaint.  K I have learned recently (and I applaud their decision) that Optimum On-line K cable modem service has blocked port 25 and myriad other ports used exclus- K ively by Micro$oft (in addition to port 80 which they blocked to thwart the K spread of the Nimda Micro$oft IIS virus a year+ ago) for their subscribers. L This will cut down on SPAM and viruses spreading from their PeeCee customersL by enforcing that email originating on their network travel only via serversL maintained by OOL making it easier to trace/track down violator and infected PeeCees.      G >And in my area, there is only one ISP that will supply anything other  I >than dialup, and they do not have any service plan that allows servers,  A >even if you pay extra for business, or for a fixed I.P. address.   L You don't have a phone company?  I'm fairly certain your phone company would love to lease you a T1. ;) :)        E >In addition, none of the mail servers that I get mail from will now  F >accept e-mail directly from any I.P. address known to be dynamically 
 >assigned.   More positive news!       G >When my broadband supplier implemented DNSbls on the mail servers for  D >open proxies and known DHCP pools, the spam leakage has dropped to , >almost nothing from about 35 to 40 per day.  M I have noticed a decrease in recent months of the amount of SPAM that my SPAM M filter has rejected.  The big problem today is the stupid but legitimate SMTP M servers that bounce messages with feigned From: headers to me.  I believe the L broadband providers are now beginning lock down their networks -- either be-L cause they want to look like responsible netizens or because their bandwidthM requirements are being overwhelmed by increased number of subscribers running M Micro$oft SPAMdeli(tm) email products and Micro$oft Petri Dish(tm) virus cul- ! turing and transmitting products.    --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.E -- b, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   -- MK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM2   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:33:34 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ? Subject: Re: Well, my VAX won't make a year of uptime after all , Message-ID: <Z_CdnT127ZuGYaPcRVn-qg@igs.net>   Mike Duffy wrote:c5 > Ever since I put my VAXstation 3100 into service as 3 > an email and FTP machine six years ago (currentlye= > running VMS V7.3), I have yet to make a year of consecutive 2 > uptime.  Hurricane season has been to blame more- > than once, as well as other prolonged power 2 > outages that seem to come at an average interval1 > of about 200 days in this area (near Baltimore,i > MD, USA.)  >r4 > I've always wanted to brag to my friends about the2 > years-long uptimes others here have enjoyed, and5 > I was closing in on the one-year mark for the firstX( > time ever, with an uptime of 327 days. >e3 > But alas, my trusty VAXstation crashed today, for 5 > only the third time ever (I've had it going on nine 
 > years now.)n >m2 > It was a machine check in kernel mode, just like' > the previous failure a few years ago.i >u7 > I know that making a year of uptime is of very littlem= > practical concern here in my non-critical home environment,  > but man, I wanted it anyway. > C > Now I have to start again.  Here I go:  "Zero days and counting."-    L I have found that some machines, not necessarily DEC equipment, tend to haveJ intermittent issues with memory modules, how they are seated and some dust bunny or oxidation issues.  D Often all that is required is to pull the memory modules,  clean theB contacts and sockets, and then re-install the same memory modules.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:34:23 -0400$ From: Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com>? Subject: RE: Well, my VAX won't make a year of uptime after alloJ Message-ID: <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE8605AED1C1@lespaul.process.com>   >  > [Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:]n= > Please indulge my curiosity - does your ISP have a problem d > with you running an @ > email server?  If not, can you share with us your experience,  > either in this? > forum, or privately?  I have a MicroVAX 3100-96 that I would   > like to put to > work (running TCPware).a  9 Technically, my ISP's terms prohibit what I'm doing here,:3 but I got a verbal OK from their chief egghead thatc; they don't really enforce the policy unless someone becomesM a problem.    1 I'll answer you privately with some more details.-   -Mike Duffy    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:01:41 -0400)- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>o? Subject: Re: Well, my VAX won't make a year of uptime after allo, Message-ID: <413F3AF5.7F1B9F42@teksavvy.com>   Mike Duffy wrote: = > running VMS V7.3), I have yet to make a year of consecutivep	 > uptime.uC > Now I have to start again.  Here I go:  "Zero days and counting."=  J Sincere condolences. I achieved this only once and it was on my all mightyN microvax II (which is more stable than the 3100-30). But power outages are the real uptime killers here.    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:14:03 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)? Subject: Re: Well, my VAX won't make a year of uptime after all . Message-ID: <chnekr$6pt$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes in article <YqudnebBJa2uFKPcRVn-gA@adelphia.com> dated Wed, 08 Sep 2004 00:23:14 -0400:H >Several Broadband ISP's specifically prohibit running servers on their E >residential services or their DHCP addresses.  Some do not actively S. >enforce their TOS until there is a complaint.  G It pays to read the fine print.  My ISP's says no "commercial" servers,cI which is also a requirement of my OpenVMS hobbyist agreement.  No problemcG there, since I have no plans to use it for anything other than personali stuff.  D However, there is a drawback.  Sunday my DSL went out.  Monday was aK holiday, my wife called the ISP yesterday and they diagnosed the problem as I a failed DSL modem and said they'd send another one overnight.  I have noeE wait to get my e-mail now, not even from work.  Messages are probablyi bouncing already.   J My previous ISP (the cable company) aggressively enforces the rules.  TheyK actually blocked port 80, so I had to use 443 for everything.  I could have.G also used 81 but there's nothing wrong with a little extra security, is5 there?  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:25:31 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ? Subject: Re: Well, my VAX won't make a year of uptime after allF, Message-ID: <McydnVuU7MIV3aLcRVn-iw@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Mike Duffy wrote:s> >> running VMS V7.3), I have yet to make a year of consecutive
 >> uptime.D >> Now I have to start again.  Here I go:  "Zero days and counting." > E > Sincere condolences. I achieved this only once and it was on my alluG > mighty microvax II (which is more stable than the 3100-30). But powerk+ > outages are the real uptime killers here.d    K We had a VS4000/60 a long while ago acting as a dedicated db server. It was = up continuously for about 3 years. It was connected to a UPS.e   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2004 23:14:35 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)+ Subject: Re: why mainframes are still used?r= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0409072214.2a5f2e37@posting.google.com>.  k arjdombivli@indiatimes.com (ashok) wrote in message news:<1dc813f.0409062324.24f401b@posting.google.com>...l > dear all,e >  >  > E > In the today's age of supercomputer ,why mainframes are still used? 1 > which are the operating systems for mainframes?2% > How they are different from the PC?<2 > which are the mainframe manufacturing companies? > $ > sorry to trouble you like this.... >  >  > regds, > ypjR    F Uh, you're saying that PC's are supercomputers? Maybe poopercomputers.? :-) They're not so great when they crap out on you! (That's the # "technical" variant of "crap out".)c  " Fastest crashes on the planet! ;-)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 07:27:16 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> + Subject: RE: why mainframes are still used?aR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3E03B9@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----: > From: Alan E. Feldman [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com]=20! > Sent: September 8, 2004 2:15 AMr > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComC- > Subject: Re: why mainframes are still used?c >=208 > arjdombivli@indiatimes.com (ashok) wrote in message=209 > news:<1dc813f.0409062324.24f401b@posting.google.com>...s
 > > dear all,n > >=20 > >=20 > >=20G > > In the today's age of supercomputer ,why mainframes are still used? 3 > > which are the operating systems for mainframes? ' > > How they are different from the PC?n4 > > which are the mainframe manufacturing companies? > >=20& > > sorry to trouble you like this.... > >=20 > >=20
 > > regds, > > ypj- >=20 >=20H > Uh, you're saying that PC's are supercomputers? Maybe poopercomputers.A > :-) They're not so great when they crap out on you! (That's theJ% > "technical" variant of "crap out".)- >=20$ > Fastest crashes on the planet! ;-) >=20   Alan,   @ Not sure what you mean, but certainly Windows can have very high
 availability.k  - [between periods of unavailability of course]8   :-)-  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660a Fax: 613-591-4477t kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2004 08:32:24 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)k+ Subject: RE: why mainframes are still used? 3 Message-ID: <x+3cVWD+iijd@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3E03B9@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes: > B > Not sure what you mean, but certainly Windows can have very high > availability.e >   @    Accodinrg to recent discussions, that requires that you don't    actually use it.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 11:54:26 -0400-. From: Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com>+ Subject: Re: why mainframes are still used?c8 Message-ID: <jf9uj01l7lbs1fsf881jsp11512pkf6r3j@4ax.com>  F On 7 Sep 2004 23:14:35 -0700, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote:  G >Uh, you're saying that PC's are supercomputers? Maybe poopercomputers.o@ >:-) They're not so great when they crap out on you! (That's the$ >"technical" variant of "crap out".)  C That's probably why the boot-up time is one of the numbers reporteds when testing new PCs.  ;-)  > "Supercomputer" is a term used very loosely by some people.  IF remember when IBM claimed the 3090 was a "supercomputer"...despite theD fact that it maxed out at about 25 MFLOPS at a time when a Cray X/MPE 48 could hit 890 MFLOPS, and when a 1 nanosecond decrease in the CrayiF clock cycle time (from 9.5 ns to 8.5 ns) resulted in a 56 MFLOPS speedC increase...that's equivalent to *two* 3090s.  Claiming a 3090 was arA "supercomputer", which the Cray unquestionably was, would be likei: entering a kid's go-cart in the Indy 500.  It's laughable.  B These days what is called a "supercomputer" is usually a massivelyD parallel array of fairly fast CPUs.  They quote speeds by summing upA the FLOPS rating of all the CPUs, and come up with numbers in thetB TFLOPS range.  These machines are based on the concept that if one? woman can have a baby in 9 months, 9 women can have a baby in 1r$ month...this isn't always true.  ;-)  E If your algorithm is 100% parallel, then more processors will get youbC your answer sooner.  If it has *any* sequential aspects, then thereoF will be a declining effect from adding more processors to the problem,D until eventually you are doubling the processor count for a fractionF of a percent decrease in run time...or worse. This is called "Amdahl's, Law" if I remember my schooling correctly.    @ The curve is pretty steep too, even for processing which is veryF parallel.  I think we figured out once that for a 96% parallel problemD the most processors you could effectively use was about 15.  You got@ very little decrease in run time from going to 30 processors forD instance...it wasn't cost-effective.  With less parallel problems it gets worse.  Much worse.  C Systems with thousands of processors may have impressive cumulativeg@ TFLOPS numbers, but they are only good for running 100% parallelB algorithms.  There are many such problems, but there are even moreC where there is some sequentialness to the situation.  For those you D really need a small number of really, really fast CPUs...or a better7 algorithm that requires less calculating to start with.e  A Fast individual CPUs were what Cray got famous for.  I once ran a B Fortran program that did antenna analysys on an 11/785 (new at theB time... ;-) and then on a Cray X/MP 12 (1 processor machine).  TheC *run* time for the executable image on the VAX was about 90 secondsbC with the data I had.  On the Cray the total time to ship the sourcesF over from the VAX, have it compiled, linked, executed, and the resultsC and listings shipped back to the VAX and stored on disk was under 8g
 seconds...  D I don't think we have any machines anymore that can truely be calledA "supercomputers" in the sense that their CPUs are blindingly fast-E compared with the average CPU that is generally available.  Seymore'srB rule was that if his current design wasn't going to be at least 10C times faster than the fastest thing available on the planet, he was@' wasting his time and should start over.-  2 It was fun working for Cray Research in the 80s...  
 -- Mike B.
 -- Mike B.  
 '04 FLSTCI  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------=   To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address.t%   I'm getting sick of all the SPAM...s@ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:56:40 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>.+ Subject: Re: why mainframes are still used?e, Message-ID: <ctKdneOYxLQptqLcRVn-gg@igs.net>   ashok wrote: > dear all,0 >  >m >aE > In the today's age of supercomputer ,why mainframes are still used?m1 > which are the operating systems for mainframes?a% > How they are different from the PC?m2 > which are the mainframe manufacturing companies?    I Because IBM actively markets them and encourages their sale to customers.r   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:41:16 +0000 (UTC)( From: m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer)+ Subject: Re: why mainframes are still used?e5 Message-ID: <chncnc$3go$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>r  i In article <jf9uj01l7lbs1fsf881jsp11512pkf6r3j@4ax.com>, Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> writes:oH > On 7 Sep 2004 23:14:35 -0700, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) > wrote: > @ > "Supercomputer" is a term used very loosely by some people.  IH > remember when IBM claimed the 3090 was a "supercomputer"...despite theF > fact that it maxed out at about 25 MFLOPS at a time when a Cray X/MP > 48 could hit 890 MFLOPS, i   Is this a single CPU number ?   . > and when a 1 nanosecond decrease in the CrayH > clock cycle time (from 9.5 ns to 8.5 ns) resulted in a 56 MFLOPS speedE > increase...that's equivalent to *two* 3090s.  Claiming a 3090 was a C > "supercomputer", which the Cray unquestionably was, would be liked< > entering a kid's go-cart in the Indy 500.  It's laughable.  G Well, to be fair you should add that those Crays used to be specialized = vector computers whereas the 3090 was a general purpose box -tP and probably quite a bit cheaper than a Cray (as far as multimillion $ computersF could be called "cheap"). For a "little" extra money you could hook upG a vector "coprocessor" (per CPU) which could deliver around 100 MFLOPS,0N IIRC. This makes it less laughable than you suggest, since e.g. any universityD running a 3090 anyway could add vector facilities without having to  buy a full Cray.  n > G > If your algorithm is 100% parallel, then more processors will get you.E > your answer sooner.  If it has *any* sequential aspects, then therefH > will be a declining effect from adding more processors to the problem,F > until eventually you are doubling the processor count for a fractionH > of a percent decrease in run time...or worse. This is called "Amdahl's. > Law" if I remember my schooling correctly.    E It says that the speedup maxes out at the ratio of parallel to serial M code. If half of your code is serial, than even an infinite number of perfectR) CPUs won't get you beyond a speedup of 2.aB The same logic, however, holds also for vectorized vs scalar code,A so your Cray was only worth its money for highly ( maybe >> 80% )mC vectorizable code. The fraction of such codes is probably even less^A than that of parallel codes. Which might be a reason why we don'tSU see that many vector machines anymore these days (apart from Earth Simulator maybe). t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 18:06:33 +0100o+ From: Rodrigo Ventura <yoda@isr.ist.utl.pt>P+ Subject: Re: why mainframes are still used?e) Message-ID: <m37jr4r8py.fsf@pixie.isrnet>w  @ >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> writes:  D     Mike> I don't think we have any machines anymore that can truelyE     Mike> be called "supercomputers" in the sense that their CPUs aree?     Mike> blindingly fast compared with the average CPU that isaF     Mike> generally available.  Seymore's rule was that if his currentE     Mike> design wasn't going to be at least 10 times faster than thegC     Mike> fastest thing available on the planet, he was wasting hist%     Mike> time and should start over.e  D That's a quite interesting thought. While watching this thread I was> wondering what properties would characterize a mainframe (or aE supercomputer). One of them is undoubtly the reliability, and anotheraC is redundancy, in terms of no matter what might fail (from a CPU torE any cable inside the box), the machine keeps working. But matters get & complicated with respect to CPU power.  F In the 80s and 90s, no doubt that workstation CPU, like RISC and maybeF VAX, where far more faster than current consumer PC CPUs. But nowadaysE things are a little bit different. Intel state-of-the-art CPUs run attC almost 4GHz! Are there mainframe CPUs with comparable speeds? Maybea1 speed is not really a mainframe property anymore.   : I was wondering, what are the CPU speed (and bus speed) of! state-of-the-art mainframe CPU's?t   Cheers,l   Rodrigo    --    : *** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda@isr.ist.utl.pt>. ***  Web page: http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda0 ***   Teaching Assistant and PhD Student at ISR:7 ***    Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboae4 ***     Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, PORTUGALH *** PGP fingerprint = 0119 AD13 9EEE 264A 3F10  31D3 89B3 C6C4 60C6 4585   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:43:07 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ( Subject: [OT]: The state of CS education, Message-ID: <_KadnV3Gx_462aLcRVn-jA@igs.net>  C http://www.informationweek.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=29100069-   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.499 ************************