1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 14 Sep 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 510       Contents: AlphaServer 800 FirmwareP C Programming Challenge (was Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.) CA learns about OpenVMS.5 Computer Associates learns about OpenVMS security ... 9 Re: Computer Associates learns about OpenVMS security ... ) Re: CRTL, errno and "real" OpenVMS status ) Re: CRTL, errno and "real" OpenVMS status ) Re: CRTL, errno and "real" OpenVMS status ) Re: CRTL, errno and "real" OpenVMS status ) Re: CRTL, errno and "real" OpenVMS status ) Re: CRTL, errno and "real" OpenVMS status  Re: DEC3000 boot problems 2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. Re: Impersonate # Re: Marketing of tech into campuses  Re: Time for reflection G Re: TSM hates my DECnet version (Was: TSM won't accept my circuit name) G Re: TSM hates my DECnet version (Was: TSM won't accept my circuit name) P VAXstation 3100 restrictions (was: I'm giving up computers if this is the future Re: Virus writers and VMS  Re: VMSKITBLD.COM failure " Re: why mainframes are still used? Why to stay with OpenVMS?  Re: Why to stay with OpenVMS?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2004 21:20:18 -0700/ From: johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com (John Reinhardt) ! Subject: AlphaServer 800 Firmware = Message-ID: <5d708ac7.0409132020.2479ab41@posting.google.com>    Hi. A    Anybody have an iso image of the V5.8 firmware CD?  That's the D latest to have the firmware for an AlphaServer 800 on it.  I've goneD to the firmware ftp site but they only have v6.8 available as an isoB (which has no A/S 800 files) and bits and pieces for the A/S 800.  Thanks for your help.      John H. Reinhardt    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:49:22 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Y Subject: C Programming Challenge (was Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.) + Message-ID: <41465C32.C1D02681@comcast.net>   ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > G > Bullshit!  Use ALPHA_LOGGER (free utility you can find in SYS$EXAMPLE G > on an Alpha) or Raxco's CarbonCopy on a real terminal.  If DECWindows F > is available, DECterm pisses all over the PeeCee terminal emulator's
 > cornflakes.   @ Here's a challenge for C programmers: Modify (ALPHA_)LOGGER.C inD SYS$EXAMPLES so it will accept either a terminal, pipeline or a disk file as "standard input".    D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:09:17 -0500 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> ! Subject: CA learns about OpenVMS. / Message-ID: <4145F05D.6000804@ceris.purdue.edu>    Bob,  
 Well said!   Chuck    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2004 11:54:05 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)> Subject: Computer Associates learns about OpenVMS security ...= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0409131054.25dca4a0@posting.google.com>   8 New account rep called me today, probably because we had; bought filemaster from them for VMS, and asks what security 6 initiatives we had in place and if we had any need for; their security solutions ... I told him OpenVMS ... then he 7 says "what about web servers and mail servers or spybot 8 problems and viruses", and I said we use VMS for all our7 services and have never had viruses or spyware problems 9 because VMS is immune to them ... then he said "wow, that 8 isn't what I hear from all our other customers, you guys8 are pretty lucky", and I said not lucky, smart!  Then he9 said it's a shame other companies are on VMS ... moral of 8 the story is it's pretty stupid how much money companies8 are wasting on security, downtime and patching when they6 could be free of all of that junk if they only knew or' were smart enough to run OpenVMS ... :)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:34:39 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> B Subject: Re: Computer Associates learns about OpenVMS security ..., Message-ID: <fJSdnZWM3PQfvdvcRVn-gA@igs.net>   Bob Ceculski wrote: : > New account rep called me today, probably because we had= > bought filemaster from them for VMS, and asks what security 8 > initiatives we had in place and if we had any need for= > their security solutions ... I told him OpenVMS ... then he 9 > says "what about web servers and mail servers or spybot : > problems and viruses", and I said we use VMS for all our9 > services and have never had viruses or spyware problems ; > because VMS is immune to them ... then he said "wow, that : > isn't what I hear from all our other customers, you guys1 > are pretty lucky", and I said not lucky, smart! : > Then he said it's a shame other companies are on VMS ...  F You meant to write  " it's a shame other companies *aren't* on VMS..."K didn't you? Otherwise I'd have no option but to believe that you and Andrew  have kissed and made up. :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Sep 2004 14:53:17 EDT, From: "Paul Dembry" <pade@nospam.trifox.com>2 Subject: Re: CRTL, errno and "real" OpenVMS status0 Message-ID: <ci4qat$e7u@dispatch.concentric.net>  	 Hi Larry, H > Have you tried setting "system service exception mode" just before the
 > 49th call ? K If I do this and I get the exception, how can I then find out all the error  information? Thanks,  Paul   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Sep 2004 14:56:15 EDT, From: "Paul Dembry" <pade@nospam.trifox.com>2 Subject: Re: CRTL, errno and "real" OpenVMS status0 Message-ID: <ci4qgf$e7v@dispatch.concentric.net>   Hi Bob, E >    I can think of a few possibilities.  Can you pause the operation D >    after 47 execl's and use SDA to look at your process resources?J I used show process while the daemon was paused and everything looks fine.  D >    I wouldn't be the least but suprized if you were simply hitting/ >    prclm, but it could be one of many others. J I am running the daemon from run/detached with a subprocess_limit=500. OneD more piece of information is that the daemon fires up a process thatI attaches to an RMS dbms. Is there a place where I can look up what quotas L are affected by RMS? If I attach to an RDB database instead, I can get quite a few more connections.  Thanks,  Paul   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Sep 2004 16:58:48 EDT, From: "Paul Dembry" <pade@nospam.trifox.com>2 Subject: Re: CRTL, errno and "real" OpenVMS status0 Message-ID: <ci51m8$e7t@dispatch.concentric.net>  F I doubled the /buffer setting in the run/detached script and now I can connect 96 clients.  Thanks,  Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:11:58 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 2 Subject: Re: CRTL, errno and "real" OpenVMS status3 Message-ID: <41461B2E.E51BCCC6@applied-synergy.com>    PAUL DEMBRY wrote: > J > I am getting an errno 28 (no space on device) return from execl. This isE > after 48 execl's in a row. Is there a way that I can get the actual G > underlying OpenVMS status so that I can figure exactly what happened? N > Clearly I am running out of some resource but what? The driving program is a- > daemon that vfork/execl's server processes. 	 > Thanks,  > Paul  ) "errno" contains the C style error value.   5 "vaxc$errno" contains the VMS condition status value.   0 It sounds like you want to look at "vaxc$errno".  
 Good luck!  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2004 20:23:27 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 2 Subject: Re: CRTL, errno and "real" OpenVMS status3 Message-ID: <HESReClsnyr7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <ci51m8$e7t@dispatch.concentric.net>, "Paul Dembry" <pade@nospam.trifox.com> writes: H > I doubled the /buffer setting in the run/detached script and now I can > connect 96 clients.   I So it sounds like your program has a resource leak (failing to deallocate  resources used in calls 1-47).   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2004 20:22:33 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 2 Subject: Re: CRTL, errno and "real" OpenVMS status3 Message-ID: <BWubl2Zfw18l@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <ci4qat$e7u@dispatch.concentric.net>, "Paul Dembry" <pade@nospam.trifox.com> writes:  > Hi Larry, I >> Have you tried setting "system service exception mode" just before the  >> 49th call ?M > If I do this and I get the exception, how can I then find out all the error  > information?  + Use the SHOW STACK command of the debugger.   B Based on the success with your other post, freezing the process at? the failure point and inspecting live quotas (perhaps with SDA)  might have helped.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:00:28 GMT ' From: "Mike E." <m_esso@@@@hotmail.com> " Subject: Re: DEC3000 boot problems' Message-ID: <0fl1d.383$%S.273@pd7tw2no>    -FIXED-    Thank you both for your help! L I tried Rob's solution first and everything is working great now (writeboot  fixed the corruption).  ; I owe you both a beer!  And I promise to RTFM more often :)         I "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message  - news:3EQ+bzYOHWQs@eisner.encompasserve.org... 9 > In article <X1k1d.417928$gE.84344@pd7tw3no>, "Mike E."  ! > <m_esso@@@@hotmail.com> writes:  >>; >> %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, device _DKA0: contains the wrong volume ; >> %MOUNT-I-NOOPR, no operator available to service request = >> %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, Please mount volume RAMA in device _DKA0: ; >> %MOUNT-I-NOOPR, no operator available to service request  >  >   Boot from CD, then:  > & >   $mount/noassist/over=id dka0: rama > G >   That should get you to where you can do analize/disk and writeboot.  > E >   Meanwhile I think you can turn on boot verboseness either through F >   a console (try >>>HELP before you boot) parameter or SYSBOOT> (via8 >   >>> boot -fl=0,1)  so you can get a better idea what@ >   program is clearing the PC (usually via trashing the stack).B >   Look at sys$system:systartup.com on another system to see whatA >   options p1, p2, ... provide, they're settable via STARTUP_P1,  >   STARTUP_P2, ... in SYSBOOT>  > F >   You can find more on this stuff in the System Manager's manual and >   the VMS Installation Guide.  > . >   It might be possible to do a minimum boot. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:02:57 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. , Message-ID: <4145EEE0.BC20F07D@teksavvy.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: ) > >> > What VT terminal displayed images?  > > # > >VT240, 330, 340 and some others.  > 7 > Not JPGs which I believe the original post mentioned.     R Actually, I have been able to get .jpg and .macpaint images to display on a VT240.  K used the CDA converters to convert to postscript, edited the postscript for M proper scaling, then use the DECPRING Postscript to Sixel utility to generate = sizels to display on VT240s :-) I even managed a few colours.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:34:03 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> ; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. 0 Message-ID: <10kbtgs7tqhavc7@corp.supernews.com>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:J >>>>>>>A PC used as a terminal emulator is much better than the real thingM >>>>>>>when you need to capture output, like from a SHOW CONFIG, for example.  >>>>> K >>>>>>Bullshit!  Use ALPHA_LOGGER (free utility you can find in SYS$EXAMPLE K >>>>>>on an Alpha) or Raxco's CarbonCopy on a real terminal.  If DECWindows J >>>>>>is available, DECterm pisses all over the PeeCee terminal emulator's >>>>>>cornflakes.  >>>>> 6 >>>>>DECWindows isn't available at the SRM >>> prompt. >>>>/ >>>>Huh?  What's the point your trying to make?  >>>>   >>>  >>> I >>>As a Field Service person, I frequently need to do a SHOW CONFIG at a  L >>>console prompt, record the information, replace the <whatever stores the N >>>config>, restore the information.  Using my laptop, with whatever terminal M >>>emulator, as a console device to save the configuration information saves  E >>>me a lot of time and effort, vs. writing all the information down.  >>
 >>Exactly. >  > J > Exactly what?  You mean to tell me that ONLY a PeeCee running a terminalJ > emulator is the only way to do this?  You're not worthy to be use VMS if > that is the case.   ) No one said it was the only way to do it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:35:36 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> ; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. 0 Message-ID: <10kbtjp6titrl20@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:K >>Not if that system is the only system in the computer room, and the only  - >>thing it's running is the console firmware.   L > You misunderstood.  Instead of carrying a laptop with kermit with you whenI > you make service calls you are supposed to carry an Alpha with keyboard  > mouse and monitor.   <VBG>    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:36:23 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. , Message-ID: <4145F6B4.55866391@teksavvy.com>  ) re: having a computer as a VT log device.   L One issue to consider: if you are a consultant, or a support tech, it may beJ difficult to enter a computer room with an external laptop/computer with a hard drive in it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:37:12 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> ; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. 0 Message-ID: <10kbtmpknecmf7b@corp.supernews.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:F >>A PC used as a terminal emulator is much better than the real thing H >>when you need to capture output, like from a SHOW CONFIG, for example.  ; >   You never used the printer port on you VT to autoprint?   9 How many people carry a printer _and_ terminal with them?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:38:25 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> ; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. 0 Message-ID: <10kbtp2jvfumhc1@corp.supernews.com>   Charlie Hammond wrote:H >>>>A PC used as a terminal emulator is much better than the real thing J >>>>when you need to capture output, like from a SHOW CONFIG, for example.  ' > Have you tried SET HOST /LOG=<file> ?   A I'm having a hard time getting that to work with the SRM and the   serial port.   Should I file an SPR?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:01:07 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. + Message-ID: <2qmjl8F1147rrU1@uni-berlin.de>    Elliott Roper wrote:7 > In article <2qkrg9Fvnqh5U1@uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture " > <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote: >  >  >>Wayne Sewell wrote:  >  > <snip> > H >>>>A PC used as a terminal emulator is much better than the real thing J >>>>when you need to capture output, like from a SHOW CONFIG, for example. >>>  >>> 2 >>>As can a mac emulator, with far fewer screwups. >>>  >>A >>Thinking of moderns Macs with no serial port,  do you have any  D >>recommendations for USB to serial converters which "get it right"? >  > I > Keyspan USA18 should work OK. I have not used mine in that application, ) > but it should be a good 'un with Zterm. I > If it is more than an idle query, ask again and I'll try it for real. I G > have not used Zterm for untold years. I note there is an OS X version G > with a sly hack for sending breaks - drop it to 50 bit/sec and send a  > null!  > F In one sense, it was an idle query, simply because I wonder if I will G need it one day. or someone else might do so. Lob  some knowledge into  G Google and it might be benificial to someone somewrere in the future...   F Your "drop it" comment tells me how to handle that particulatr beast,  and thanks for that.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:06:30 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. , Message-ID: <414619E6.5040504@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:   + > re: having a computer as a VT log device.  > N > One issue to consider: if you are a consultant, or a support tech, it may beL > difficult to enter a computer room with an external laptop/computer with a > hard drive in it.  >   9 Does the customer want their system up and running again?   M If a service person isn't allowed to bring anything to what he's working on,  T then the customer will have to have the equipment already in place, as one solution.  # What about swapping out a bad disk?    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:48:09 -0400 ) From: Mike B. <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> ; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. 8 Message-ID: <nkmck05bumpkbd2kqd5as479tjl50isvp0@4ax.com>  F On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:06:30 -0400, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:  N >If a service person isn't allowed to bring anything to what he's working on, U >then the customer will have to have the equipment already in place, as one solution.   A Some Cray customers were super top secret paranoid types.  That's  exactly what was done.    $ >What about swapping out a bad disk?  A The new drive would get brought in and put in place.  The old one > would be erased...many times, and using a program provided andE operated by the STSPTs...then the platters were removed and degaussed E with a bulk eraser (your basic coil-o-wire full of electrons).  After F that, they were sanded, and then taken under armed guard to a shredder@ capable of turning them into bits that would fit through a 1/32"C screen.  I don't recall if they were melted at that point or not...   B They wouldn't even let out how many machines they had at one STSPTF site.  I asked my boss, who was managing the people on site there too,) and all he'd tell me was, "At least one."   
 -- Mike B.  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------=   To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address. %   I'm getting sick of all the SPAM... @ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:46:33 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. + Message-ID: <41465B89.474E129F@comcast.net>   ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > b > In article <41425D5B.67F8EB40@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:$ > >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >>P > >> Would anyone be wanting a 1U rack mount Pentium III before I decide to takeB > >> a lead pipe to it in order to relieve my frustration with it? > >  > >How much you want for it? > D > Sorry my good VMS and c.o.v friends but friends do NOT let friends > do Weendoze!  + Weel, remember that Novell now owns SuSE...   E > Anyway, everytime I am forced into a corner with one of these shite E > boxes nothing goes smoothly and I need to vent.  It was either post E > here or put my fist through the wall again.  The choice was obvious D > because I couldn't find any plasterboard space that hadn't already4 > meet with a Weendoze frenzied accelerated fist. ;)  E Have you tried cinder block? I usually just split the skin between my F fingers, though at an extreme I might shatter an elbow or something...  Q > >> 2 freaking days already of trying to get reflection's file transfer protocol 
 > >> to work.  > >  > >What's it not doing?  > > H > >Because it relies on the underlying link (just as would X/Y/Zmodem orI > >Kermit), there's a lot of little things that are usually not an issue, F > >but become big issues when you;re trying to transfer files over the > >equivalent of a serial link.   F Another bitch is that it usually installs defaulted to UN*X instead of VMS. Whooda thunk...  & > >> Their support droids are useless. > > J > >Depends. Get the right one, and he/she is like gold. Get the wrong one,B > >and - let's see, what was the word you used? Oh yeah - SHITE!!! > E > I finally got one to call me and she walked me through all sorts of F > click here/double-click there/left click/right click/scroll-down to/F > drill down to/ competely non-obvious and non-intuitive shite and the > transfer now functions.   ; Yeah - the defaults are wholly inappropriate in some cases.   E > NEVER I tell you, NEVER in a million years would I have had the in- E > tuition -- even if I had beat myself around the head with that lead E > pipe -- to click ad nauseum with the myriad variations of the theme D > that she had me do.  I wish I had some way to have what she had me4 > do logged so I could playback all of the insanity.  F Well, that's o.k., I guess - most of the "college grads" I get at workF usually respond with "What's that?" when I mention asynchronous serial communications...   0 So much for "Master"s of Computer Science (read: "point-and-click-ology").    D.J.D.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2004 20:18:29 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Impersonate3 Message-ID: <r8S3y$4betvf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <4145B72F.3010004@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:    > Larry Kilgallen wrote:  I >> Breaking existing programs is not historically popular in VMS circles.  >>   > P > And changing the name of a priviledge didn't possibly do that?  At least with R > something like a system service they could have multiple names for the routine, L > but there's no backward compatibility when the priviledge name is changed. > Q > Ok, you'll ask how such could happen.  What about an application that uses the   > priviledge name?  > That is taken care of in the SDL source.  The Bliss result is:  ? $ search sys$Library:starlet.req prv$v_detach,prv$v_impersonate M macro PRV$V_IMPERSONATE = 0,5,1,0 %; ! Replacement name for DETACH (synonyms) E macro PRV$V_DETACH = 0,5,1,0 %;      ! MAY CREATE DETACHED PROCESSES   $   < So existing programs continue to compile (and keep working).   Even DCL accepts either name.   C Can you demonstrate an actual problem, or are you just handwaving ?    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2004 11:41:18 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso), Subject: Re: Marketing of tech into campuses; Message-ID: <f30679fb.0409131041.e44d17@posting.google.com>   [ bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in message news:<2qljbhF10depaU1@uni-berlin.de>... . > In article <z-udnVY1OfCo8dncRVn-rw@igs.net>,( > 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > > Bob Ceculski wrote: 7 > >> "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in message  > >>P > > news:<FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3E0341@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>. > > .. > >>7 > >> ok, now when is HP going to do this in the states? * > >> This should have been done years ago! > >  > > - > > You can't force a drunk to stop drinking.  > > J > > You can take that as a comment about DEC/ChumHPaq and/or university CS > > departments as you see fit.  >   I > What does it have to do with University CS Departments?  CS Departments E > aren't shills for any company's products.  They teach concepts, not E > particulars,  And before you jump in here with a complaint about CS G > Departments teaching Unix, remember that Unix is the only OS that has J > been available in source form with an agreement that allowed students toG > read (and even play with) it in an academic environment.  VMS doesn't E > even have an agreement that makes it practical to use it, much less I > disect it in the classroom.  When you add tot hat the fact that it also J > takes special (and expensive) hardware, how can you be surprised that it/ > has so little remaining presence in academia?  >  > bill  D In Brasil the Universidade de Campinas (www.unicamp.br) used to haveF an almost 100% DEC network about 10 years ago. They had VAXes, Alphas,F etc... but that time Sun began to dominate them. In 1994 I had there a, traineeship about VMS x Solaris integration.= Nowadays most of the brazilian Unis are powered by Microsoft. 6 They teach VB, VC++,  and eventually C/C++ and Java !      Regards    FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:59:04 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>  Subject: Re: Time for reflection+ Message-ID: <41465E77.8F44AF6D@comcast.net>    Sue Skonetski wrote: >  > Dear Newsgroup,  > H > Today is 9/11 and on 9/11/01 I was with many of you at DECUS/EncompassF > in Anaheim.  They say you always remember where you were and who youC > were with when a world changing event happens.  We were fortunate G > enough to be together mostly just to cry, all of us to ask why and no  > one wanting to belive it.   F I was on the shuttle bus traversing Grant Park on the way to work fromG the train station when the bus drivers began chatting about it over the H company radios. "Tuned in" at work as AM radio and internet would allow.E Rather an extraordinary day, to be sure. They sent us home early. The A shuttle bus drivers worked the whole day rather than stopping bus E service at 10:00 a.m. First appearance of heavy security at the train 	 stations.   E Some of our "troops" were in KC at the Cerner Health Conference. Many @ had flown there. By rental car, it was a nine-hour drive back to Chi-town, I was told.   E > Here in the HP ZKO building we have a quote from Martin Luther King - > which happens to be my favorite which says.  > E > "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of H > comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and > controversy"  G Likewise, I'm told that the measure of a  person is what he/she will do G knowing he/she may receive nothing in return. Not popular sentiments in # the business world, I should think.    'Nuff said for now..   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:55:16 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)P Subject: Re: TSM hates my DECnet version (Was: TSM won't accept my circuit name)1 Message-ID: <newscache$r3zz3i$uqe1$1@news.sil.at>   B In article <04091222313704@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org writes:7 >From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)  > N >> Well known problem of DECNET_VERSION of V7.3-1 ECO 2. The displayed versionN >> number is way too low. I don't know why there is still no DECNET_OSI V7.3-1M >> ECO 3 to fix it (I wonder also why there is no DECNET_OSI V7.3-2 ECO 1) !!  > G >   Thanks for the info.  Where were you a couple of days ago, before I  >figured this out?  , Please check your Anti-SPAM filter as I got:  3  550 That sender address is in my list of bad ones.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:42:13 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.orgP Subject: Re: TSM hates my DECnet version (Was: TSM won't accept my circuit name)) Message-ID: <04091316421375@antinode.org>   6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)  . > Please check your Anti-SPAM filter as I got: > 5 >  550 That sender address is in my list of bad ones.   5    Interesting, as that's the default message, and my * SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]SMTP.CONFIG says:  Q Reject-Mail-From-Text: Try form: http://www.antinode.org/mail_form_webmaster.html   G If there's a way to get the TCPIP software to disclose what it actually F thinks about the contents of SMTP.CONFIG, I'd be interested in hearing> about it.  (SHOW SERVICE /FULL SMTP is useful for the stuff in% SMTP_REJECT.COM, but not this stuff.)   A    On the off chance that the second colon was confusing it, I've G changed that to a comma.  I'll try to work up the ambition to test it.   Sigh.    ALP $ tcpip show version  ?   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 2 4   on a AlphaStation 200 4/233 running OpenVMS V7.3-1  5   Mr. Langstoeger is now on my good list, by the way.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:18:49 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> Y Subject: VAXstation 3100 restrictions (was: I'm giving up computers if this is the future 3 Message-ID: <41461CC9.C7E7CE72@applied-synergy.com>    Mike Bartman wrote:  > : > On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:50:11 -0700, Z <z@no.spam> wrote: >  > >Mike Bartman wrote:J > >>>Didn't VAXstations suffer this same problem? I seem to remember a 2GBK > >>>or 1GB disk size limit when I rebuilt a 3100 (?) from spare parts last 
 > >>>year. > > J > >> Yes, the 3100 machines have a 1.2gig limit for the boot device.  OnceI > >> VMS is up, the limit is gone for data disks, but you can't boot from " > >> anything bigger than 1.2gigs. > > M > >Yet you fault PCs from the same time period for the same basic limitation?  > E > Yep.  A fault is a fault.  DEC usually did better.  I don't believe D > other VAXstations from that period had similar problems...the 4000C > series for instance...but I may be mistaken about that.  If I am, , > someone here will surely point it out. ;-)  A The VAXstation 3100 ROMs used the SCSI-1 (6 byte) standard.  This ? standard had the 1GB restriction. (When using 512 byte blocks.)   H VMS itself (After 5.3-1), used the later 10 byte commands, which allowedF larger disks.  This is why data disks do not have the 1GB restriction.  E Under earlier VMS versions, VMS would also corrupt disks greater than  1GB, system or data.  A Later implementations of the boot ROMs used the 10 byte commands,  allowing larger boot devices.   F If there is a fault, I fault DEC for not making upgrade ROMs availableF to the VAXstation 3100s.  They did make them available for some of the MicroVAX 3100s.   H I believe that DECs rational was that since they never sold a VAXstationG 3100 with a disk larger than 1GB, no one would use a larger disk with a  VAXstation.   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:06:18 -0500 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>" Subject: Re: Virus writers and VMSD Message-ID: <craigberry-060A0A.21061813092004@news.isp.giganews.com>  3 In article <Jxw+ZrTWlbYm@eisner.encompasserve.org>, D  clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) wrote:  K > Hackers may or may not prefer VMS, but virus writers certainly know about G > VMS. The following is one of the possible responses that the Mydoom.M 6 > virus sends in it's false non-delivery notification: > ? > <<< 400-aturner; %MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening !AS as output 5 > <<< 400-aturner; -RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed = > <<< 400-aturner; -SYSTEM-F-EXDISKQUOTA, disk quota exceeded  > 1 > I wonder why VMS error messages were selected ?   H It's highly unlikely there was any selection process.  Any virus writer C with half a clue would develop a database of genuine mail delivery  A failure messages and use them as templates for sending fake ones.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2004 17:17:02 -0700 From: alegend@mail.com (Al) " Subject: Re: VMSKITBLD.COM failure< Message-ID: <f486c91c.0409131617.62e166e@posting.google.com>  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<41452F3E.72E5D9F5@teksavvy.com>...  > Al wrote:XH > > need I will re-phrase the problem: how do I make a working duplicate& > > of a VMS5.5 distribution kit tape? > S > There is a utility called VM'S TPCE which allows to make an image copy of a tape.A > F > Or you could use BACKUP to copy the actual savesets to VMS, then useM > stabackit.com to create a "bootable" standalone backup tape, and then mountRL > the tape /noerase and use backup to ocpy the savesets in the same order as! > they were on the original tape.V > I > Another way to do this is to use the kitbuild procedure to create a newaL > directory structure on disk, and use backup to get that structure to tape.   Thank you, will try.   -Al.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:57:18 GMTt! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>u+ Subject: Re: why mainframes are still used?i8 Message-ID: <eknbk0tf6suraqcajsh5f4e322alaf543n@4ax.com>  K On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:34:37 -0400, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> wrote:f  B >On 11 Sep 2004 10:23:15 -0700, tom@kednos.com (Tom Linden) wrote: >gc >>Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> wrote in message news:<7ep3k09qiqgod3oevem3ee6og1c0ceos4h@4ax.com>...nO >>> On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:02:59 -0400, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> wrote:e >>> T >>> >Tom -- if it's all the same to you, I would love for you to change your "quote"R >>> >character in your newsreader from < to >. It would make reading your posts so, >>> >much easier (for me, and maybe others). >>> O >>> I'll vote for that too. If you could trim to context too that would be even  >>> better.i >> >>Is that better?o >aL >It's wonderful! Thanks, your posts are much easier to read in my newsreader >program (Forte Agent).S   ditto.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azuri   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:43:10 +02000 From: Lars <lars@post.cz>c" Subject: Why to stay with OpenVMS?0 Message-ID: <ci4t8f$26j$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Not bad :-))  8 http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/erp/article.php/3406641     Remaining Vehemently OpenVMS September 10, 2004 By Drew Robb  I When people hear mention of the OpenVMS operating system and Alpha-based eD servers, they typically think ''old'' and ''legacy''. And then they . think about buying something much more modern.  F It might appear very strange for a company to buy a brand new OpenVMS G operating system. Yet that's exactly what the IT department did at the 43 Albert Einstein Healthcare Network in Philadelphia.e  E The IT department there just bought an Alpha/VMS system and they are d installing it this month.l  H ''We have long utilized DEC, Compaq, and HP technologies and found them @ to be very reliable in meeting the business requirements of our G organization,'' says Joseph Stenz, an administrator and senior systems  H programmer at Albert Einstein Healthcare Network. ''There were some IBM F mainframe and Windows solutions offered as possible alternatives, but + they didn't justify moving off VMS/Alpha.''m  H Einstein is not alone in its preference. Despite a distinctly un-trendy G image, a lack of interest by the trade press, and access to but a drop  D of the vast ocean that is the HP marketing budget, Alpha/VMS annual F revenues exceed $2 billion. Alpha hardware alone accounts for several % hundred million dollars of the total..   RISC-y Business7  H VMS is short for Virtual Memory System. Developed in 1977 for DEC's VAX G hardware, it was well ahead of its day as a multi-user, multi-tasking, aI virtual memory operating system. OpenVMS is a later version that runs on  G either VAX or Alpha. It will soon be available on HP Integrity Servers a2 running 64-bit Itanium processors in an Intel box.  E These days, the terms OpenVMS and VMS are often used interchangeably.e  H Though not as advanced in years as VMS, Alpha is a family of RISC-based F (Reduced Instruction Set Computer  an architecture that reduces chip D complexity by using simpler instructions), 64-bit CPUs and computer G systems originally developed by Digital Equipment Corp. (DEC has since rF been absorbed by Compaq, which in turn was eaten up by HP). The first G Alpha came out in 1992. This 150-MHz 21064-AA model was considered the eG single-chip equivalent, in its day, of the old Cray-1 supercomputer. A -I series of later Alpha boxes continued to set the standard for high-speed y microprocessors.  I But that was way back in the 1990's, right? Those machines couldn't hold S a candle to today's wonders.  ? Actually, Alpha/VMS continues to lead the way when it comes to  - availability, disaster recovery and security.o  H ''OpenVMS is probably the best designed and most robust general purpose I operating system in existence,'' says Colin Butcher, a systems architect  I with XDelta Limited, a systems integrator based in Bristol, England with dH 20 years experience on OpenVMS. ''If you want serious uptime, you don't  use anything else.''   Critical Condition  C The OpenVMS/Alpha platform is commonly used in financial services, rE healthcare, manufacturing, aerospace, power stations and government. oF Fifty percent of the major telecom provider systems and 80 percent of I chip manufacturers utilize it, according to statistics from OpenVMS.org. .G These organizations speak of it in terms of reliability, availability, AH solid performance, maturity, and the stability of both the hardware and 	 software.p  @ That's why the Albert Einstein Hospital Network sticks with the F platform. Einstein is a private, not-for-profit organization with six H major facilities and outpatient centers. About 6,000 employees -- 1,200 C of them physicians -- are employed at the healthcare organization. sI Einstein also is a member of the Jefferson Health System, which includes oI Thomas Jefferson University Hospital, Main Line Health System, Frankford 45 Health Care System and Magee Rehabilitation Hospital.>  > After its recent hardware acquisition, Einstein now has three  Alpha-based systems:E # An HP AlphaServer ES47 Model 2 OpenVMS machine. It has two 1.0 GHz aH Alpha EV7 processors with 1.75MB L2 Cache. It is four-processor capable G with 4GB of ECC memory, dual Fibre Channel adapters to redundant Fibre n/ Channel switches and Gigabit Ethernet adapters;eC # An HP AlphaServer ES47 Model 2 OpenVMS enterprise server. It has u memory expansion up to 8GB, andrH # An HP AlphaServer ES47 Model 2 OpenVMS enterprise server, with memory I expansion up to 8GB, optional RAID memory support, one integrated Ultra3 t9 SCSI controller, CD-RW drive, and two system-drive slots.o  B In addition, the healthcare network also has two HP MSA1000 Fibre B Channel Storage Arrays, which include such features as an MSA1000 E Controller, Fibre Channel I/O modules, dual hot pluggable fans/power bA supplies, two power cables, two SCSI cables to connect expansion pE enclosures, and 4U cabinets. This Alpha environment is non-clustered.b  C The newly purchased AlphaServer ES47 is being installed to support c? several mission critical applications in which reliability and  H availability are paramount. The primary applications to run on AlphaVMS H are Siemens Document Imaging 23.4 for billing purposes, IDXtend 9.0 for B physician billing and scheduling, and HBOC Trendstar for decision C support/cost accounting. These systems share an enterprise LAN/WAN x8 (Frame Relay/ATM) with over 100 Windows NT/2000 Servers.  1 So what does VMS have that other platforms don't?u  E Einsteins Stenz says it is a proven, mature platform and technology t= with solid security and sufficient robustness for real-time, tD business-critical applications. He also believes the platform to be K pre-eminent and pioneering in clustering technology and disaster tolerance.t  D ''OpenVMS uptimes can be measured in years,'' says Stenz. ''This is C certainly preferable to a culture of rebooting and disruption that -B plague other platforms due to viruses, Trojans, denial-of-service + attacks, and endless patching of systems.''r   No Hurry to Change  H Ultimately, HP plans to phase out Alpha over the next five years or so, D replacing it with its Integrity Server, a 64-bit Itanium processor. ' However, the VMS OS remains a mainstay.-  G At the recent HP World Conference, HP released OpenVMS version 8.2 for aG field testing. Meanwhile, the first shipments of OpenVMS/Integrity are  = scheduled to be released sometime around the end of the year.I  H Bob Gezelter, a software consultant from Flushing, N.Y., who has tested G the new platform, claims Itanium could see VMS moving into a whole new - market segment.-  I ''In the past, the enterprise-availability features of OpenVMS have been KA prohibitively expensive,'' says Gezelter. ''The economics of the sG Integrity platform will bring the costs associated with OpenVMS within u the range of the SMB market.''  H The Albert Einstein Healthcare Network, though, is in no hurry to adopt G HP's newest offering. Stenz explains that the existing four-year lease  A on Alpha means they're adopting a wait-and-see policy to Itanium.   C Stenz adds that After seeing where the market is heading, they may rI adjust their direction after the third year of the lease. ''Depending on hC how things play out on Itanium 64 and VMS, we could very well then  ; migrate to that architecture, or extend/augment our ES47.''1   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:48:56 +0200: From: Lars <lars@post.cz> & Subject: Re: Why to stay with OpenVMS?0 Message-ID: <ci4tj9$26j$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Aieee,  H already mentioned. Sorry for the double post (although all we know that  redundancy is good :-)))     Lars   Lars wrote:s > Not bad :-)) > : > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/erp/article.php/3406641 >  >  > Remaining Vehemently OpenVMS > September 10, 2004 > By Drew Robb > K > When people hear mention of the OpenVMS operating system and Alpha-based cF > servers, they typically think ''old'' and ''legacy''. And then they 0 > think about buying something much more modern. > H > It might appear very strange for a company to buy a brand new OpenVMS I > operating system. Yet that's exactly what the IT department did at the  5 > Albert Einstein Healthcare Network in Philadelphia.k > G > The IT department there just bought an Alpha/VMS system and they are i > installing it this month.  > J > ''We have long utilized DEC, Compaq, and HP technologies and found them B > to be very reliable in meeting the business requirements of our I > organization,'' says Joseph Stenz, an administrator and senior systems lJ > programmer at Albert Einstein Healthcare Network. ''There were some IBM H > mainframe and Windows solutions offered as possible alternatives, but - > they didn't justify moving off VMS/Alpha.''  > J > Einstein is not alone in its preference. Despite a distinctly un-trendy I > image, a lack of interest by the trade press, and access to but a drop bF > of the vast ocean that is the HP marketing budget, Alpha/VMS annual H > revenues exceed $2 billion. Alpha hardware alone accounts for several ' > hundred million dollars of the total.u >  > RISC-y Business4 > J > VMS is short for Virtual Memory System. Developed in 1977 for DEC's VAX I > hardware, it was well ahead of its day as a multi-user, multi-tasking,  K > virtual memory operating system. OpenVMS is a later version that runs on  I > either VAX or Alpha. It will soon be available on HP Integrity Servers s4 > running 64-bit Itanium processors in an Intel box. > G > These days, the terms OpenVMS and VMS are often used interchangeably.e > J > Though not as advanced in years as VMS, Alpha is a family of RISC-based H > (Reduced Instruction Set Computer  an architecture that reduces chip F > complexity by using simpler instructions), 64-bit CPUs and computer I > systems originally developed by Digital Equipment Corp. (DEC has since AH > been absorbed by Compaq, which in turn was eaten up by HP). The first I > Alpha came out in 1992. This 150-MHz 21064-AA model was considered the iI > single-chip equivalent, in its day, of the old Cray-1 supercomputer. A GK > series of later Alpha boxes continued to set the standard for high-speed   > microprocessors. > K > But that was way back in the 1990's, right? Those machines couldn't hold e > a candle to today's wonders. > A > Actually, Alpha/VMS continues to lead the way when it comes to ./ > availability, disaster recovery and security.  > J > ''OpenVMS is probably the best designed and most robust general purpose K > operating system in existence,'' says Colin Butcher, a systems architect eK > with XDelta Limited, a systems integrator based in Bristol, England with ,J > 20 years experience on OpenVMS. ''If you want serious uptime, you don't  > use anything else.'' >  > Critical Condition > E > The OpenVMS/Alpha platform is commonly used in financial services,  G > healthcare, manufacturing, aerospace, power stations and government. lH > Fifty percent of the major telecom provider systems and 80 percent of K > chip manufacturers utilize it, according to statistics from OpenVMS.org. -I > These organizations speak of it in terms of reliability, availability,  J > solid performance, maturity, and the stability of both the hardware and  > software.  > B > That's why the Albert Einstein Hospital Network sticks with the H > platform. Einstein is a private, not-for-profit organization with six J > major facilities and outpatient centers. About 6,000 employees -- 1,200 E > of them physicians -- are employed at the healthcare organization. sK > Einstein also is a member of the Jefferson Health System, which includes VK > Thomas Jefferson University Hospital, Main Line Health System, Frankford 07 > Health Care System and Magee Rehabilitation Hospital.c > @ > After its recent hardware acquisition, Einstein now has three  > Alpha-based systems:G > # An HP AlphaServer ES47 Model 2 OpenVMS machine. It has two 1.0 GHz iJ > Alpha EV7 processors with 1.75MB L2 Cache. It is four-processor capable I > with 4GB of ECC memory, dual Fibre Channel adapters to redundant Fibre t1 > Channel switches and Gigabit Ethernet adapters;1E > # An HP AlphaServer ES47 Model 2 OpenVMS enterprise server. It has n! > memory expansion up to 8GB, andeJ > # An HP AlphaServer ES47 Model 2 OpenVMS enterprise server, with memory K > expansion up to 8GB, optional RAID memory support, one integrated Ultra3 n; > SCSI controller, CD-RW drive, and two system-drive slots.m > D > In addition, the healthcare network also has two HP MSA1000 Fibre D > Channel Storage Arrays, which include such features as an MSA1000 G > Controller, Fibre Channel I/O modules, dual hot pluggable fans/power zC > supplies, two power cables, two SCSI cables to connect expansion eG > enclosures, and 4U cabinets. This Alpha environment is non-clustered.r > E > The newly purchased AlphaServer ES47 is being installed to support nA > several mission critical applications in which reliability and oJ > availability are paramount. The primary applications to run on AlphaVMS J > are Siemens Document Imaging 23.4 for billing purposes, IDXtend 9.0 for D > physician billing and scheduling, and HBOC Trendstar for decision E > support/cost accounting. These systems share an enterprise LAN/WAN :: > (Frame Relay/ATM) with over 100 Windows NT/2000 Servers. > 3 > So what does VMS have that other platforms don't?r > G > Einsteins Stenz says it is a proven, mature platform and technology r? > with solid security and sufficient robustness for real-time, >F > business-critical applications. He also believes the platform to be M > pre-eminent and pioneering in clustering technology and disaster tolerance.l > F > ''OpenVMS uptimes can be measured in years,'' says Stenz. ''This is E > certainly preferable to a culture of rebooting and disruption that >D > plague other platforms due to viruses, Trojans, denial-of-service - > attacks, and endless patching of systems.''t >  > No Hurry to Change > J > Ultimately, HP plans to phase out Alpha over the next five years or so, F > replacing it with its Integrity Server, a 64-bit Itanium processor. ) > However, the VMS OS remains a mainstay.s > I > At the recent HP World Conference, HP released OpenVMS version 8.2 for  I > field testing. Meanwhile, the first shipments of OpenVMS/Integrity are f? > scheduled to be released sometime around the end of the year.  > J > Bob Gezelter, a software consultant from Flushing, N.Y., who has tested I > the new platform, claims Itanium could see VMS moving into a whole new r > market segment.s > K > ''In the past, the enterprise-availability features of OpenVMS have been 0C > prohibitively expensive,'' says Gezelter. ''The economics of the nI > Integrity platform will bring the costs associated with OpenVMS within -  > the range of the SMB market.'' > J > The Albert Einstein Healthcare Network, though, is in no hurry to adopt I > HP's newest offering. Stenz explains that the existing four-year lease uC > on Alpha means they're adopting a wait-and-see policy to Itanium.  > E > Stenz adds that After seeing where the market is heading, they may sK > adjust their direction after the third year of the lease. ''Depending on nE > how things play out on Itanium 64 and VMS, we could very well then s= > migrate to that architecture, or extend/augment our ES47.''  >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.510 ************************