1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 14 Sep 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 511       Contents:( a simple question: what the h*ll is MCR?, Re: a simple question: what the h*ll is MCR?, Re: a simple question: what the h*ll is MCR?, Re: a simple question: what the h*ll is MCR?, Re: a simple question: what the h*ll is MCR?, Re: a simple question: what the h*ll is MCR? Re: AlphaServer 800 Firmware  Re: Another MIME utility problem  Re: Another MIME utility problem# COPY bug with remote task as input. ' Re: COPY bug with remote task as input.  disable PING service From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. 2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. need quick EDT or TPU script9 Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.  trouble with XFC  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:53:15 +0100 + From: Rodrigo Ventura <yoda@isr.ist.utl.pt> 1 Subject: a simple question: what the h*ll is MCR? ) Message-ID: <m3656gewbo.fsf@pixie.isrnet>   F Can anyone explain me what is the command MCR (sometimes abreviated toD MC). It is quite intriguing to me, namely the message whenever it is run without arguments:  + %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image RSX S -CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not found xxxxxx$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]RSX.EXE;   D RSX? The name RSX rings a bell; something to do with some old PDP-11% operating system? RSX-11? Is that it?   E I head that the early VMS versions used PDP-11 software, by the means = of some kind of PDP-11 instruction set emulation with the VAX A processors, but it strikes me that it has reached until today, in K Alpha architecture... Or probably I'm just mixing things up... what a mess!    Cheers,    Rodrigo    --    : *** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda@isr.ist.utl.pt>. ***  Web page: http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda0 ***   Teaching Assistant and PhD Student at ISR:7 ***    Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboa 4 ***     Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, PORTUGALH *** PGP fingerprint = 0119 AD13 9EEE 264A 3F10  31D3 89B3 C6C4 60C6 4585   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:11:04 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> 5 Subject: Re: a simple question: what the h*ll is MCR? A Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040914090800.028a8560@raptor.psccos.com>   G MCR = "Monitor Console Routines".  It was the primary command interface I for the RSX family of operating systems on the PDP-11 (some flavors, such E as RSX-11M+, also had a flavor of DCL).  Originally, when the command G "MCR" was used on VMS, it ran the AME (Application Migration Executive) K which ran PDP-11 code in compatibility mode.  Now on VMS, "MCR" is the same " thing as saying "RUN SYS$SYSTEM:".  - At 08:53 AM 9/14/2004, Rodrigo Ventura wrote:   G >Can anyone explain me what is the command MCR (sometimes abreviated to E >MC). It is quite intriguing to me, namely the message whenever it is  >run without arguments:  > , >%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image RSX' >-CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not found  . >xxxxxx$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]RSX.EXE; > E >RSX? The name RSX rings a bell; something to do with some old PDP-11 & >operating system? RSX-11? Is that it? > F >I head that the early VMS versions used PDP-11 software, by the means> >of some kind of PDP-11 instruction set emulation with the VAXB >processors, but it strikes me that it has reached until today, inL >Alpha architecture... Or probably I'm just mixing things up... what a mess! >  >Cheers, >  >Rodrigo >  >--  > ; >*** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda@isr.ist.utl.pt> / >***  Web page: http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda 1 >***   Teaching Assistant and PhD Student at ISR: 8 >***    Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboa5 >***     Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, PORTUGAL I >*** PGP fingerprint = 0119 AD13 9EEE 264A 3F10  31D3 89B3 C6C4 60C6 4585    ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:27:28 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com5 Subject: Re: a simple question: what the h*ll is MCR? Q Message-ID: <OF95F33FA3.3BAB4C4F-ON85256F0F.005462B7-85256F0F.00550F5C@metso.com>   F Rodrigo Ventura <yoda@isr.ist.utl.pt> wrote on 09/14/2004 10:53:15 AM:   > H > Can anyone explain me what is the command MCR (sometimes abreviated toF > MC). It is quite intriguing to me, namely the message whenever it is > run without arguments: > - > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image RSX E > -CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not found xxxxxx$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.]  > [SYSEXE]RSX.EXE; >   + IIRC that is the Migration Console Routine.     F > RSX? The name RSX rings a bell; something to do with some old PDP-11' > operating system? RSX-11? Is that it?  >   F Yes.  VAX is Virtual Address eXtended and was a 32-bit OS built on theF base of RSX-11 from 16-bit PDP-11's.  All VAXen had a PDP-11 emulationD mode built into the hardware and DEC promised they would always, but3 eventually that became a software emulation add-on.   E Everything is now native 32-bit on OpenVMS VAX, but the MCR interface + remains, especially for "foreign" commands.   G > I head that the early VMS versions used PDP-11 software, by the means ? > of some kind of PDP-11 instruction set emulation with the VAX C > processors, but it strikes me that it has reached until today, in G > Alpha architecture... Or probably I'm just mixing things up... what a  mess!   E You are not mixing things up, but it is certainly *NOT* a mess.  It's  calledK backward compatibility and allows things written before 1977 to continue to  work.    > 	 > Cheers,  > 	 > Rodrigo  >  > -- > < > *** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda@isr.ist.utl.pt>0 > ***  Web page: http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda2 > ***   Teaching Assistant and PhD Student at ISR:9 > ***    Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboa 6 > ***     Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, PORTUGALJ > *** PGP fingerprint = 0119 AD13 9EEE 264A 3F10  31D3 89B3 C6C4 60C6 4585   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:48:35 +0100 + From: Rodrigo Ventura <yoda@isr.ist.utl.pt> 5 Subject: Re: a simple question: what the h*ll is MCR? ) Message-ID: <m3wtywdf70.fsf@pixie.isrnet>   = >>>>> "norm" == norm raphael <norm.raphael@metso.com> writes:   C     norm> You are not mixing things up, but it is certainly *NOT* a E     norm> mess.  It's called backward compatibility and allows things 2     norm> written before 1977 to continue to work.  E Can I conclude that each time I run "MCR SYSGEN" the PDP-11 emulation F is run? In that case SYSGEN would be PDP-11 code!! In that case, COOL!   Cheers,    Rodrigo    --    : *** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda@isr.ist.utl.pt>. ***  Web page: http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda0 ***   Teaching Assistant and PhD Student at ISR:7 ***    Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboa 4 ***     Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, PORTUGALH *** PGP fingerprint = 0119 AD13 9EEE 264A 3F10  31D3 89B3 C6C4 60C6 4585   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:14:49 +0100 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> 5 Subject: Re: a simple question: what the h*ll is MCR? 8 Message-ID: <8r1ek0p4imef9glfoentio4q058lb67vim@4ax.com>  I On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:53:15 +0100, Rodrigo Ventura <yoda@isr.ist.utl.pt>  wrote:  G >Can anyone explain me what is the command MCR (sometimes abreviated to E >MC). It is quite intriguing to me, namely the message whenever it is  >run without arguments:  > , >%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image RSXT >-CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not found xxxxxx$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]RSX.EXE; > E >RSX? The name RSX rings a bell; something to do with some old PDP-11 & >operating system? RSX-11? Is that it?  K Pretty much.  Entering MCR invokes a DCL internal routine which attempts to K run the specified image and passes the rest of the command line to it.  The K default image is SYS$SYSTEM:RSX.EXE (or possibly it's RSX if missing with a J default file-spec of SYS$SYSTEM:.EXE, I'm not sure which).  If you enter aJ parameter, that is the name of the image to be run.  So, MC AUTHORIZE willK run the familiar AUTHORIZE utility, while MC SYS$LOGIN:MYIMAGE is needed to C run MYIMAGE which is not in SYS$SYSTEM.  RSX.EXE, if present, is an L alternative command-line interpreter, familiar to RSX users.   The prompt is MCR> ...  L In early VAXes, PDP compatibility mode was built-in to the hardware.  (LaterE on, it was emulated in software and an additional layered product was J required - AME?)  Native RSX images (subject to certain limitations) wouldD run just as they would on a PDP-11.  Some utilities were provided asH straight copies, and MC(R) was the way to invoke them and pass along theI command line.  MC DISP was very similar to SHO PROC/CONT, MC TALK was the K precursor to PHONE.  PIP was also provided, although DIRECTORY existed, and & had some useful features, /FR for one.  K The most common use for MCR in the last 20 years or so has been as a way of = invoking images and supplying command lines at the same time.    --  : Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely.    Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:45:38 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>5 Subject: Re: a simple question: what the h*ll is MCR? + Message-ID: <2qop27F10eh11U1@uni-berlin.de>    Rodrigo Ventura wrote:= >>>>>>"norm" == norm raphael <norm.raphael@metso.com> writes:  >  > E >     norm> You are not mixing things up, but it is certainly *NOT* a G >     norm> mess.  It's called backward compatibility and allows things 4 >     norm> written before 1977 to continue to work. > G > Can I conclude that each time I run "MCR SYSGEN" the PDP-11 emulation H > is run? In that case SYSGEN would be PDP-11 code!! In that case, COOL! >   F Backwards compatibilty with command language yes, PDP-11 emulation no E (unless you are running hardware and an OS version which is 20 or so   years old).    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:51:12 +0200 2 From: Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de>% Subject: Re: AlphaServer 800 Firmware * Message-ID: <ci60s4$7e220@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>   John Reinhardt wrote:    > Hi. C >    Anybody have an iso image of the V5.8 firmware CD?  That's the F > latest to have the firmware for an AlphaServer 800 on it.  I've goneF > to the firmware ftp site but they only have v6.8 available as an isoD > (which has no A/S 800 files) and bits and pieces for the A/S 800.  > Thanks for your help.  >  >   John H. Reinhardt   % Aren't the firmware files sufficient?   D http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/Alpha/firmware/archive/as800.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:47:54 -0400 . From: "Paul" <paul_dot_mosteika_at_hp_dot_com>) Subject: Re: Another MIME utility problem , Message-ID: <4147138f$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Hello,  I Our support group has Mime for OpenVMS V1.8 available for VAX, Alpha (and 	 Itanium).   F Any MIME defects were fixed, checked in, and kits were created for allL platforms. I'm sorry if they haven't made there way out for distribution dueJ to cost contraints, version control, or simply VAX versions of OpenVMS. ItH has been a while since we released a version of OpenVMS for VAX. But theK latest kit of Mime for OpenVMS did ship with VAX OpenVMS V7.3 at that time.   K Our customer support has access to BACUP savesets of MIME for OpenVMS V1.8.     .                                     Thank you,  (                                     Paul          C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message * news:newscache$gads3i$kln$1@news.sil.at...> > In article <chnotl$u32$1@news5.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:K > >Yes, the 1.4 version was far from perfect. However we are at version 1.8  > >now....... :-)  >  > Not on VAX...  >  > --   > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:25:54 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>) Subject: Re: Another MIME utility problem B Message-ID: <41471b92$0$18556$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Paul wrote:  > Hello, > K > Our support group has Mime for OpenVMS V1.8 available for VAX, Alpha (and  > Itanium).  > H > Any MIME defects were fixed, checked in, and kits were created for allN > platforms. I'm sorry if they haven't made there way out for distribution dueL > to cost contraints, version control, or simply VAX versions of OpenVMS. ItJ > has been a while since we released a version of OpenVMS for VAX. But theM > latest kit of Mime for OpenVMS did ship with VAX OpenVMS V7.3 at that time.  > M > Our customer support has access to BACUP savesets of MIME for OpenVMS V1.8.  >  > 0 >                                     Thank you, > * >                                     Paul >  >  >  >  > E > "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message , > news:newscache$gads3i$kln$1@news.sil.at... > > >>In article <chnotl$u32$1@news5.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk >  > <munk@home.nl> writes: > K >>>Yes, the 1.4 version was far from perfect. However we are at version 1.8  >>>now....... :-)  >> >>Not on VAX...  >> >>--   >>Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' >>Network and OpenVMS system specialist  >>E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH >>A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist >  >  >   I Assuming that the Mime Utility doesn't contain any licensed code, it may  D be a good idea to distribute the latest Versions for VAX, Alpha and H Itanium on the next OpenVMS Freeware CD. See below for a copy of Hoff's  recent call for Submissions.   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg     9                        Seeking New or Updated Submissions 8                         for the next HP OpenVMS Freeware1                               Deadline 8-Nov-2004     E    Do you have or do you know of useful new tools for HP OpenVMS, or  C updates, corrections, or new versions of existing OpenVMS Freeware   software tools?   H    Please mail the Collector of OpenVMS Freeware (CoOF), and pass along H your knowledge of these new or updated software packages -- even if you C are not the maintainer or the owner -- to the CoOF.  Please do not  K assume that somebody else has or will notify the CoOF about the package(s).   /    The OpenVMS Freeware submission deadline is:          8 November 2004   G    The Freeware submission information and guidelines are available at:   +      http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/freeware/   J    Please use the Freeware email address -- listed at the above website --F    for submission-related messages and communications.  (And yes, the D CoOF can provide an FTP server for a kit push, can pull from an FTP H server, can receive and process kits attached to MIME-encoded mail, and A can also provide a snail mail address and media requirements for   media-based kit submissions.)   
    Thank you!     H ------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> ---------------------------G For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq G ------------------------ pure personal opinion ------------------------ F          Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:10:20 +0200 % From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> , Subject: COPY bug with remote task as input.. Message-ID: <ci6f5r$nlo$1@info.service.rug.nl>  * We run OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-1 with DECnet IV.G On a remote (VAX-ELN) node we have a task running which provides data =  via DECnet. B On the OpenVMS system, we have a logical DAQ_DATA_UNI defined as = KVIE11::"task=3DEVENTS_UNI".9 The DUMP DAQ_DATA_UNI command shows the data as expected. C The CONVERT DAQ_DATA_UNI X.X command reads and writes the data as = 	 expected. < The TYPE DAQ_DATA_UNI command displays the data as expected.  J However, the COPY DAQ_DATA_UNI X.X command complains that it cannot open =	 the input I file "DISK$1:[USER].". DISK$1:[USER] happens to be the default drectory =  of the user. COPY /FTP has the same problem.   * I think this is a bug in the COPY command. Or has somebody another idea?   # We found the following work-around:   $ $ OPEN /READ COPY_INPUT DAQ_DATA_UNI $ COPY COPY_INPUT X.X  $ CLOSE COPY_INPUT  0 But it would be nice if this bug could be fixed.   F.Z.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:56:27 +0200 3 From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@nospam.hp.com> 0 Subject: Re: COPY bug with remote task as input.* Message-ID: <4146f8f6@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  0 "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> wrote in message( news:ci6f5r$nlo$1@info.service.rug.nl... ... I >However, the COPY DAQ_DATA_UNI X.X command complains that it cannot open 	 the input K >file "DISK$1:[USER].". DISK$1:[USER] happens to be the default drectory of 	 the user.   >COPY /FTP has the same problem.  + >I think this is a bug in the COPY command.  >Or has somebody another idea?  D Check for logical name definitions. That is usual footprint of this.   Best, Gorazd   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:17:32 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) Subject: disable PING service . Message-ID: <ci722c$ioi$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  F Is there a way to disable the ICMP ECHO service on VMS?  There is some1 concern that PING could be used for a DoS attack.   @ I'm running "HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4".  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2004 05:22:38 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)( Subject: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0409140422.7bda23de@posting.google.com>   F But they dont mention OpenVMS. Does Sun know it ? Or it doesnt menace Sun ?  Read below or click.    > http://www.sun.com/executives/realitycheck/reality-091004.html    # Reality Check: HP-UX has no future. D By Larry Singer, senior vice president and Strategic Insight Officer at Sun Microsystems.  E 10.Sep.04--Yogi Berra once (famously) said "Its like Deja Vu all over E again", clearly not knowing how appropriate this might be to describe  HP's current HP-UX strategy.  = Less than two years after abandoning its inherited Tru64 UNIX F customers, HP seems on the same path once again to abandon another one@ of its very loyal customer bases. This time it is its HP-UX UNIXE customer base, which is now beginning to see signs that HP may not be 7 committed to the HP-UX UNIX business for the long haul.   B First some history. When HP chose to end-of-life Tru64 UNIX, thoseF customers were given a choice. Stay where you are and ride out the endF of life of Tru64 UNIX and the Alpha platform, or move to HP-UX, on theE HP 9000 PA-RISC or HP Integrity Itanium platforms, and become part of D HP's much larger UNIX installed base. To appease these customers, HPF promised a new version of HP-UX, 11i Version 3, which incorporated theD good stuff from Tru 64, particularly the clustering and file system.  F More importantly, for both the Tru64 and HP-UX customers, HP-UX 11i v3D was going to be the same version for both the HP 9000 family and the@ HP Integrity family. Greatly simplifying architecture decisions,D deployment and support, as well as minimizing disruptive transitions1 in the future. And it was promised for late 2004.   F In October 2003 HP Senior Vice President, Rich Marcello, had to admit,F due to technical difficulties, this was not a timetable HP could keep,E and the delivery date for HP-UX 11i v3 was pushed out to "late 2005". D Recent rumblings in the industry suggest that this date may now slip
 into 2006.  A The slippage of HP-UX 11i v3 by up to 18 months (currently), is a + major concern for existing HP-UX customers.   A First, it deprives them of functionality that many need and want. C Second, it diminishes Independent Software Vendor (ISV) interest in E porting to HP-UX's "designated platform" - Itanium - until this major ? release of HP-UX is available. Third, it allows other operating D systems, such as Linux and Windows Server to establish a foothold onA the Itanium platform well before the new HP-UX will be available.   E However, probably the most important reason HP-UX customers should be C concerned is because HP's platform strategy is marginalizing HP-UX, F and therefore threatening its future relevance as an operating system.  C HP has stated that its future platforms will be based on Itanium on F the high-end and x86 (Intel Xeon and AMD Opteron) on the low-end, withE the middle probably being a mix of both. To date the Itanium platform D has yet to establish any significant volumes in the market so demandC for applications for the platform is not that high. However, in the F x86 space demand is booming, particularly for the new hybrid 32/64-bitE processors from AMD and Intel. According to industry analyst Gartner, E AMD Opteron outshipped Itanium by a factor of 10 in Q2 2004, and also C recorded a more than twenty fold increase in units shipped over the  same quarter last year.   D And herein lies HP's dilemma and the reason for the darkening clouds over the future of HP-UX.   
 HP-UX doomed? B The largest installed base HP has is its x86, or Industry StandardD Server (ISS) base, which now represents nearly 55% of its EnterpriseF Storage and Server (ESS) division revenues, and is the fastest growingD segment. HP has publicly stated it has no plans to port HP-UX to itsC x86 based systems. This was revealed in a recent interview with Ann F Livermore, Head of HP's Enterprise Systems division, in InfoWorld ("NoB Need for HP-UX on x86", Robert McMillan and Patrick Thibodeau, IDG News Service, August 17, 2004):   A "IDGNS: Would you think of porting HP-UX, for example, to the x86 2 platform, now that there are these 64-bit systems?  8 Livermore: No, we don't think that we need to do that."   F This statement from HP's number two executive should send shivers downF the spines of HP-UX customers, because it categorically states that HPF is not prepared to make HP-UX available to one of its largest platformD bases, and in fact one of the fastest growing segments of the serverE market. Further contributing to the demise and questionable viability 	 of HP-UX.   C This is in stark contrast to Sun Microsystems, which has thoroughly A embraced this emerging market and is offering its highly regarded D Solaris operating system on its own AMD Opteron and Intel Xeon based systems.  > In addition, there is mounting evidence that Itanium, is being? eclipsed currently by AMD Opteron, in terms of sales and market E acceptance, thus making Opteron a more attractive deployment platform < for many customers. And, in fact, systems sporting these newC processors fit perfectly in the 2-4 way space, which is the current F "sweet spot" of HP's Itanium based Integrity systems, with over 90% of> servers shipped, according to International Data Corporation's/ recently published Q2 2004 marketshare numbers.   B HP-UX customers, therefore, have to consider that if the future ofD HP-UX is the Itanium platform, and Itanium is losing to AMD Opteron,A which will never offer HP-UX, then where is the future for HP-UX. A Clearly customers are concerned about this, which is why they are 9 taking advantage of Sun's HP Away program to move off HP. / (http://www.sun.com/datacenter/migration/hpux/)   F Add to this mix, the fact that Intel is now in a bitter fight with AMDE for the rapidly emerging x86 based 32/64 bit hybrid processor market, < and will go to whatever lengths to protect its x86 franchiseF (including sacrificing the nascent Itanium), and you have a very bleak  picture for the future of HP-UX.  F In summary for HP-UX to have a future, HP desperately needs Itanium toD be a success in the market. Unfortunately, for HP, Itanium continuesE to significantly lag analyst projections and market expectations, and @ is now being seriously challenged by the new x86 based 32/64 bitC hybrid processors from AMD, and soon from Intel, and which will not  offer HP-UX.  D The only other platform HP-UX is available on is the HP 9000 PA-RISCE based platform, and HP has already announced the end-of-life for this C platform, so it has increasingly less appeal for ISVs etc., who are / not about to port to a platform with no future.    Has HP-UX got a future? E In our opinion the answer is a resounding NO, given the facts. It is, A as Yogi Berra said, deja vu all over again, with HP-UX looking as ? though it is about to share the same fate as other HP operating % systems such as MPEiX and Tru64 UNIX.   > In the meantime, Sun Microsystems, is offering the very latest> version, Solaris 10, of its market leading and highly regardedF enterprise class UNIX operating system on both its x86 based and SPARCE based systems. This provides customers with flexibility and choice of E hardware platform, while offering a consistent and cohesive operating D environment for their computing infrastructure. An offering which is& unique among the major system vendors.  F Furthermore Sun offers a variety of products and services, through theC HP Away program, that make it easy for HP customers to migrate to a $ Sun platform with an assured future.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:21:24 -0400 ' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net> ; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. 0 Message-ID: <k4v5ic.rrf.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  2 > In article <6q24ic.6ml.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local>,+ > Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net> writes: & >>   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>> C >>> ...and this couldn't be done using a system running DECwindows?  >>>  >>  K >> Not if that system is the only system in the computer room, and the only . >> thing it's running is the console firmware. > L > You misunderstood.  Instead of carrying a laptop with kermit with you whenI > you make service calls you are supposed to carry an Alpha with keyboard  > mouse and monitor. >   J I'd love to do so.  My boss, however, gave me this Evo N610c laptop, with I the equivalent of almost 100 RA81 disk drives (in capacity) inside of it.    --             Stu    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Sep 2004 09:35:59 GMT/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> ; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. / Message-ID: <slrnckdes0.qa.thierry@MARS.Family>   B On 2004-09-14, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:& > >> Their support droids are useless. >> >K >> >Depends. Get the right one, and he/she is like gold. Get the wrong one, C >> >and - let's see, what was the word you used? Oh yeah - SHITE!!!  >>  F >> I finally got one to call me and she walked me through all sorts ofG >> click here/double-click there/left click/right click/scroll-down to/ G >> drill down to/ competely non-obvious and non-intuitive shite and the  >> transfer now functions. > = > Yeah - the defaults are wholly inappropriate in some cases.  > F >> NEVER I tell you, NEVER in a million years would I have had the in-F >> tuition -- even if I had beat myself around the head with that leadF >> pipe -- to click ad nauseum with the myriad variations of the themeE >> that she had me do.  I wish I had some way to have what she had me 5 >> do logged so I could playback all of the insanity.  > H > Well, that's o.k., I guess - most of the "college grads" I get at workH > usually respond with "What's that?" when I mention asynchronous serial > communications...  > 2 > So much for "Master"s of Computer Science (read: > "point-and-click-ology").   M I was surprised, too, when I heard they bring things like HTTP and SMTP for a O quite long time in the second year - but only as what they are for, and not how 
 they work.   Thierry    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Sep 2004 12:24:18 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon); Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. + Message-ID: <2qo67iF10ks41U1@uni-berlin.de>   8 In article <nvmck0pmnmo05n78139ki2liuag1timait@4ax.com>,, 	Mike B. <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> writes:: > On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:37:12 -0700, Z <z@no.spam> wrote: >  >>Bob Koehler wrote:H >>>>A PC used as a terminal emulator is much better than the real thing J >>>>when you need to capture output, like from a SHOW CONFIG, for example. >>= >>>   You never used the printer port on you VT to autoprint?  >>; >>How many people carry a printer _and_ terminal with them?  > H > Anybody with a TI Silent 700?  I've seen field techs with those in the > distant past...  >   @ The very distant past.  I haven't seen one in at least 20 years.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:59:33 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) ; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. 3 Message-ID: <9PC1d.10562$tJ3.6186@news.cpqcorp.net>   F In article <10kbtp2jvfumhc1@corp.supernews.com>, Z <z@no.spam> writes: >Charlie Hammond wrote: I >>>>>A PC used as a terminal emulator is much better than the real thing  K >>>>>when you need to capture output, like from a SHOW CONFIG, for example.  > * >> Have you tried SET HOST /LOG=<file> ?   > B >I'm having a hard time getting that to work with the SRM and the 
 >serial port.   0 Opps -- I meant to type "SET HOST 0 /LOG=<file>"#                                   ^   > Once logged in, this is the best way I know to captuer output.   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:02:15 -0400 ) From: Mike B. <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> ; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. 8 Message-ID: <3u1ek0hbfcaqthvede03j9ipcep9minrca@4ax.com>  F On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:59:33 GMT, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) wrote:   G >In article <10kbtp2jvfumhc1@corp.supernews.com>, Z <z@no.spam> writes:  >>Charlie Hammond wrote:J >>>>>>A PC used as a terminal emulator is much better than the real thing L >>>>>>when you need to capture output, like from a SHOW CONFIG, for example. >>+ >>> Have you tried SET HOST /LOG=<file> ?    >>C >>I'm having a hard time getting that to work with the SRM and the   >>serial port. > 1 >Opps -- I meant to type "SET HOST 0 /LOG=<file>" $ >                                  ^? >Once logged in, this is the best way I know to captuer output.   B Both logging in and setting host require that VMS be running.  TheD person in question is running low level diagnostics...there is no OS running in that case I believe.     
 -- Mike B.  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------=   To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address. %   I'm getting sick of all the SPAM... @ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:58:38 -0400 ) From: Mike B. <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> ; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. 8 Message-ID: <vn1ek053b888p93em1lldro5la71j6mhnf@4ax.com>  F On 14 Sep 2004 12:24:18 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:  9 >In article <nvmck0pmnmo05n78139ki2liuag1timait@4ax.com>,e- >	Mike B. <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> writes:t; >> On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:37:12 -0700, Z <z@no.spam> wrote:* >>   >>>Bob Koehler wrote:t  < >>>How many people carry a printer _and_ terminal with them? >> CI >> Anybody with a TI Silent 700?  I've seen field techs with those in thea >> distant past... >iA >The very distant past.  I haven't seen one in at least 20 years.e   That would be about right...    
 -- Mike B.  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------=   To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address.i%   I'm getting sick of all the SPAM... @ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:25:36 +0200s* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.t+ Message-ID: <2qonsgF12481cU1@uni-berlin.de>u   JF Mezei wrote:p+ > re: having a computer as a VT log device.l > N > One issue to consider: if you are a consultant, or a support tech, it may beL > difficult to enter a computer room with an external laptop/computer with a > hard drive in it.-  = Carrying a computer into a building is banned in some places.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:27:25 +0000 (UTC)tP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)% Subject: need quick EDT or TPU scripta$ Message-ID: <ci765d$an4$1@online.de>  	 Hi folks,m    E I have some text files which, when looked at in EDT, have an explicite           H (that's GOLD 13 GOLD KP3) at the end of each line.  The attributes look H the same as a proper text file, so SET FILE/ATTR (or CONV/FDL) probably F wouldn't work.  Also, the old TECO trick doesn't work either (I think , this gets rid of carriage return-line feed).  F In EDT, I can do KP. <RETURN> KP6 PF1 PF3 <RETURN> <RETURN> and every 5 time I hit PF1 KP<ENTER> then one line gets replaced.e  G Is there any way to automate this in EDT or TPU (i.e. what I need is a hH DCL procedure which takes a list of file names to correct as its single  input parameter).u  H I'm reasonably sure EDT or TPU or FORTRAN or DCL could do this, but I'm  really in a hurry.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:26:39 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGB Subject: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.0 Message-ID: <00A37DD6.31F6F870@SendSpamHere.ORG>   OK...-  F This Reflection thing sends a command to the VMS session: RUN ALPHALK2  F I want to experiment and define a logical and then run the program.  ID have created a ALPHALK2.COM file with $ DEFINE... and $ RUN ALPHALK2  G I've looked all throughout this Reflection Weedoze bastardized PeeCee  oE shite setup toilet and can only find a reference to RUN VAXLINK2.  Is D there a translation that is automatically applied to change VAXLI toD ALPHA?  It seems to ignore when I change the command to @ALPHALK2 or @VAXLINK2 regardless.1  E Is it any wonder I've been shortening my work time and lengthening myy Guinness time.  B Can anybody here what works with this horked up shite lend a hand?  x --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  -- w, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! [ -- SK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:10:50 -0400a& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.8 Message-ID: <qm5ek0l0sqjg9l4mj146018hvmb2tpbrci@4ax.com>  C On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:26:39 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:    >OK... > G >This Reflection thing sends a command to the VMS session: RUN ALPHALK2o >r 	<snip>aC >Can anybody here what works with this horked up shite lend a hand?t  P I've used Reflections file transfer in the past (as little as possible). I don'tP understand exactly what you are saying. But, the DCL command that is executed onF the VMS system to establish the "server" is defined in the ReflectionsO configuration. Look under File \ Transfer...  then click Setup... and (finally)-P select the WRQ tab. The DCL command is found under Host system options \ StartupI command. On my reflections configuration (I don't remember if this is ther< default, or if I set it this way years ago) this command is:   RUN VAXLINK2  O Then, on all my VMS systems, I have a system-wide logical name defined to point K the logical VAXLINK2 at the correct image (VAX or Alpha). In my case (and I-N suspect that I set this up this way, and it may not be "standard") the logical/ name on my Alpha systems is defined as follows:m   $ show logical vaxlink2 <    "VAXLINK2" = "xxxx:VAXLINK2_ALPHA.EXE" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  G (where 'xxxx' is an actual logical name I didn't want to publish here).t   Is this any help?:I -------------------------------------------------------------------------rI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comrI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)mI -------------------------------------------------------------------------O   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:34:21 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGF Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.0 Message-ID: <00A37DDF.A725B6A0@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <qm5ek0l0sqjg9l4mj146018hvmb2tpbrci@4ax.com>, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> writes:1D >On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:26:39 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >y >>OK...v >>H >>This Reflection thing sends a command to the VMS session: RUN ALPHALK2 >> >	<snip>D >>Can anybody here what works with this horked up shite lend a hand? >nQ >I've used Reflections file transfer in the past (as little as possible). I don't Q >understand exactly what you are saying. But, the DCL command that is executed ontG >the VMS system to establish the "server" is defined in the Reflections P >configuration. Look under File \ Transfer...  then click Setup... and (finally)Q >select the WRQ tab. The DCL command is found under Host system options \ StartupdJ >command. On my reflections configuration (I don't remember if this is the= >default, or if I set it this way years ago) this command is:V >u
 >RUN VAXLINK2t  B ... and this is what I see but the image that runs is ALPHALK2.EXE  1 I'm at a loss as to how the RUN ALPHALK2 is sent.s    P >Then, on all my VMS systems, I have a system-wide logical name defined to pointL >the logical VAXLINK2 at the correct image (VAX or Alpha). In my case (and IO >suspect that I set this up this way, and it may not be "standard") the logical30 >name on my Alpha systems is defined as follows: >  >$ show logical vaxlink2= >   "VAXLINK2" = "xxxx:VAXLINK2_ALPHA.EXE" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)i >sH >(where 'xxxx' is an actual logical name I didn't want to publish here). >  >Is this any help?  M I have nothing defined system-wide.  I had to use code downloaded from an in-wK ternet site so the program exists only in the default (home) directory of auF non-privied account for testing.  That program's name is ALPHALK2.EXE. -- l< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  -- n, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! u -- aK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:56:09 +0100E+ From: Rodrigo Ventura <yoda@isr.ist.utl.pt>- Subject: trouble with XFC ) Message-ID: <m31xh4ew6u.fsf@pixie.isrnet>r  C I'm trying to get an Alpha satellite working with VMS 7.3-1 with ansF extremelly low memory footprint (32MB physical). I believe XFC startupE is making my progress null. Where can I find documentation about XFC,yE so that I can get knowledge on how to tune XFC parameters, so that itaE neither refuses to initialize, nor swallows half of my precious 32MB?a   Cheers,s   Rodrigoe   --    : *** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda@isr.ist.utl.pt>. ***  Web page: http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda0 ***   Teaching Assistant and PhD Student at ISR:7 ***    Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboaw4 ***     Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, PORTUGALH *** PGP fingerprint = 0119 AD13 9EEE 264A 3F10  31D3 89B3 C6C4 60C6 4585   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.511 ************************