1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 15 Sep 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 512       Contents:, Re: a simple question: what the h*ll is MCR?  Re: Another MIME utility problem  Re: Another MIME utility problem+ Re: BACKUP is ignoring /SINCE=BACKUP.  Why?  Re: DEC PWS RAM  Re: DEC PWS RAM  Re: DEC PWS RAM  Freeware CD in the UK? Re: Freeware CD in the UK?# Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # RE: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.  Re: I need SMC  CD for Win20002 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.2 Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.  Re: need quick EDT or TPU script  Re: need quick EDT or TPU script  Re: need quick EDT or TPU script  Re: need quick EDT or TPU script  Re: need quick EDT or TPU script  Re: need quick EDT or TPU script  Re: need quick EDT or TPU script OT: IVAN and New Orleans= Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.  Touch screen, mouse and VMS  Re: Touch screen, mouse and VMS  VAX Question (Hardware)  Re: VAX Question (Hardware)  Re: VAX Question (Hardware)  Re: VAX Question (Hardware)  Re: VAX Question (Hardware)  Re: VAX Question (Hardware)  Re: VAX Question (Hardware)  Re: VAX Question (Hardware)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:15:26 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>5 Subject: Re: a simple question: what the h*ll is MCR? * Message-ID: <yQL1d.5326$xH1.1418@trnddc03>   Rodrigo Ventura wrote:= >>>>>>"norm" == norm raphael <norm.raphael@metso.com> writes:  >  > E >     norm> You are not mixing things up, but it is certainly *NOT* a G >     norm> mess.  It's called backward compatibility and allows things 4 >     norm> written before 1977 to continue to work. > G > Can I conclude that each time I run "MCR SYSGEN" the PDP-11 emulation H > is run? In that case SYSGEN would be PDP-11 code!! In that case, COOL! > 	 > Cheers,  > 	 > Rodrigo   G No.  The image activator (invoked by both "RUN" and "MCR") knows how to G load and start both native VAX images and RSX-11 (16-bit PDP-11) tasks. B (At least on VAX, it does.)  So you can run anything with MCR.  ToF actually use RSX tasks, you need the VAX-11 RSX layered product, whichG contains the AME, a bunch of RSX utilities (MAC, TKB, PIP, LBR, various G RMS-11 utilities, etc.) and (on systems that don't have hardware PDP-11 E emulation) CEM$EMULATOR.EXE, which provides software emulation of the  PDP-11 instruction set.   G VAX-11 RSX was originally part of VMS, but was split off at about V3.0, G when native ports of all the essential system utilities were available. C If you were upgrading from an earlier version, you could get a free < "grandfather" license for it, though I think you had to ask.  G RSX allowed you to pass command lines to a task, and MCR emulated this. D RUN does not allow you to pass a command line.  Since MCR could alsoE activate native images, it was the easiest way to pass a command line F to an image.  I don't know if anyone has tabulated the FAQ's, but "HowE do I pass a command line to an image?" is probably #1.  (There are at  least 2 other ways...)  E So even though PDP-11 mode isn't supported on Alphas and Itaniums and ; is probably now extremely rare even on VAXes, MCR lives on.    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:54:03 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: Another MIME utility problem , Message-ID: <41473E48.31D9BE21@teksavvy.com>   Paul wrote: H > Any MIME defects were fixed, checked in, and kits were created for allN > platforms. I'm sorry if they haven't made there way out for distribution dueI > to cost contraints, version control, or simply VAX versions of OpenVMS.   H  What is so difficult about compiling with on VAX VMS 7.2 with the rightM linker option to allow it to work with any shareabel image versions, and then N putting it on some ftp web site for download ? Put some caveat that it was not* tested on versions other than <version X>.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2004 15:12:54 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ) Subject: Re: Another MIME utility problem 3 Message-ID: <RsxFVlYdZKNb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   u In article <41471b92$0$18556$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>, Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> writes:   K > Assuming that the Mime Utility doesn't contain any licensed code, it may  F > be a good idea to distribute the latest Versions for VAX, Alpha and * > Itanium on the next OpenVMS Freeware CD.  I I was under the impression that the MIME utility was a licensed supported G component of VMS.  When a developer talks about trouble reports and the J version numbers shipped with each VMS release, that is typically the case.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:26:38 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>4 Subject: Re: BACKUP is ignoring /SINCE=BACKUP.  Why?) Message-ID: <2%L1d.5329$xH1.133@trnddc03>    Alan E. Feldman wrote:T > John Santos <john@egh.com> wrote in message news:<qPv0d.3252$iS2.1391@trnddc09>... >  >>Tom Adams wrote: >>N >>>I have one machine where the incremental backup is backing up every file on >>>the machine.  >>> O >>>I have 5 Alphas and they are all running the same incremental backup command L >>>procedure.   The others are working normally, but this one is filling the >>>backup tape every other day.  >>> @ >>>Does anyone have any idea what might be wrong on this system? >>7 >>What version of VMS and what ECO's have been applied?  >>E >>The behaviour has changed several times over the last few years.  I E >>think it currently once again "does the right thing".  For a while, I >>any change to a directory, not including creating or deleting any files G >>in it, but including any change in its size (which could be triggered B >>randomly by creating or deleting files in it), caused the entire@ >>directory and all its subdirectories to be backed up during anE >>incremental backup.  If you created a new top-level directory, then % >>the entire disk could be backed up.  >>D >>I think the XQP was changed to no longer touch the "modified" dateD >>on a directory except if the directory metadata (protection, ACLs,H >>ownership, etc.) were changed or if it was renamed.  (I think renamingE >>directories or deleting and creating directories with the same name D >>could trick BACKUP into missing changes under the original scheme,C >>and the quick fix was to backup EVERYTHING if the "modified" date B >>on the parent directory was more recent than the "backup" date.) >  > G > IIRC, what would happen is this: If a .DIR file were to be renamed or H > moved in the middle of a sequence of incremental backups; then, duringH > a restore operation, files saved under the old directory name would beE > restored under that name, even if they were later deleted under the G > new directory name. Files saved under the new directory name would be D > restored under the new directory name. (The VMS v5.5 Backup manualH > acknowledges this and says the system manager must do a "manual merge"F > of the new and old directories.) As for directories that are deletedD > and recreated, I don't think that would be a problem under the oldA > scheme as the latest incremental save would contain the correct C > directory entires and time stamps for that directory-spec. I also F > recall CJL posting an example using SET FILE/ENTER that would not be& > handled correctly by the old scheme.  E Thanks Alan.   That makes sense too me now.  I suppose there are many C complicating cases, such as BACKUP incremental, rename a.dir b.dir, D create & delete files in [.b], backup incremental, create new a.dir,F create files in [.a], backup incremental, etc. that could result in itE leaving deleted files in [.a] or in deleting a.dir when all done with  the restores...    > C > I don't know what the latest behavior is, but it seems to me that F > BACKUP should unconditionally back up entire subdirectory trees ONLY( > if the directory has renamed or moved.  H I *think* that is what it does now, though it may also backup the entireG tree in some other edge cases, such as when the root .dir file has it's ! owner ship or protection changed.   E >>It was around about V7.1-V7.2 that the behaviour changed.  A Google 6 >>search should reveal hundreds of posts on the topic. >> >>HTH      --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:03:29 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org Subject: Re: DEC PWS RAM) Message-ID: <04091417032895@antinode.org>   D    Once upon a time ("Date: 8 Jun 2004 05:45:30 -0700"), after I had5 mentioned having 1.5GB in my PWS 500a[u] (old style):   2 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)    > Check your specs, my friend.  0 > Don't be fooled by what you can cram in there.H > That last half a gig won't do you any good unless you're running Tru64 > or (Ack!) NT- ) > PW433au + OpenVMS = 1GB maximum memory.   G    As it happens, I recently put the PWS to work on a CPU-intensive job H (Zip-compressing a CD-ROM image), and found that it would quite reliablyC crash part way through with a complaint like "INVEXCEPTN, Exception G while above ASTDEL".  Removing 512MB, so that the total is 1024MB seems  to fix the problem.   H    Is this another well known problem?  Is anyone else out there runningD an over-stuffed PWS?  Is anyone interested in any ANAL /CRASH data? 4 (You can have the whole SYSDUMP.DMP, if you'd like.)  G    As usual, VMS V7.3-1 with many recent ECOs, including VMS731_CLUSTER H V1.0, VMS731_F11X V3.0, VMS731_PTHREAD V4.0, VMS731_RMS V5.0, VMS731_SYSC V7.0, VMS731_UPDATE V4.0, and VMS731_XFC V3.0.  I mention this last : because it seems to get mentioned in passing (or failing):   System crash information ------------------------! System State at Time of Exception ! ---------------------------------  Exception Frame: ----------------         R2  = 00000000.00000000          R3  = FFFFFFFF.815C5E50          R4  = 00000000.00049741          R5  = 00000000.00000040 2         R6  = FFFFFFFF.82D33E10  SYS$XFCACHE+34010         R7  = 00000000.00000689 2         PC  = FFFFFFFF.8030D588  SYS$XFCACHE+03588         PS  = 20000000.00000801   <          FFFFFFFF.8030D578:     BEQ             R20,#X00000E?          FFFFFFFF.8030D57C:     LDQ             R19,#X0018(R18) <          FFFFFFFF.8030D580:     ZAPNOT          R26,#X0F,R16;          FFFFFFFF.8030D584:     SUBQ            R23,R16,R16 ?    PC => FFFFFFFF.8030D588:     LDQ             R22,#X0018(R16) ;          FFFFFFFF.8030D58C:     XOR             R19,R22,R22 <          FFFFFFFF.8030D590:     BNE             R22,#X000003?          FFFFFFFF.8030D594:     LDL             R21,#X0050(R16) ;          FFFFFFFF.8030D598:     XOR             R17,R21,R21       PS =>;          MBZ SPAL      MBZ    IPL VMM MBZ CURMOD INT PRVMOD 9          0   20   00000000000 08  0   0   KERN   0   EXEC      Signal Array ------------         Length = 00000005          Type   = 0000000C "         Arg    = 00000000.00000000"         Arg    = FFFFFFFF.FFFFFFAC5         Arg    = FFFFFFFF.8030D588  SYS$XFCACHE+03588 "         Arg    = 20000000.00000801    P %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=FFFFFFFFFFFF& FFAC, PC=FFFFFFFF8030D588, PS=00000801  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:20:15 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: DEC PWS RAM2 Message-ID: <ci8jeh$i5u$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   sms@antinode.org wrote: F >    Once upon a time ("Date: 8 Jun 2004 05:45:30 -0700"), after I had7 > mentioned having 1.5GB in my PWS 500a[u] (old style):  > 4 > From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb) >  >   >>Check your specs, my friend.  0 >>Don't be fooled by what you can cram in there.H >>That last half a gig won't do you any good unless you're running Tru64 >>or (Ack!) NT- ) >>PW433au + OpenVMS = 1GB maximum memory.  >  > I >    As it happens, I recently put the PWS to work on a CPU-intensive job J > (Zip-compressing a CD-ROM image), and found that it would quite reliablyE > crash part way through with a complaint like "INVEXCEPTN, Exception I > while above ASTDEL".  Removing 512MB, so that the total is 1024MB seems  > to fix the problem.  > J >    Is this another well known problem?  Is anyone else out there runningF > an over-stuffed PWS?  Is anyone interested in any ANAL /CRASH data? 6 > (You can have the whole SYSDUMP.DMP, if you'd like.)  Q The PWS series have always be specified for a maximum of 1 GB ram in combination  M with VMS. I'm sure there is a good reason for that (as you discovered :-) ).  O These systems were primarely designed for NT, which may be a explanation for a  % number of several technical problems.      > I >    As usual, VMS V7.3-1 with many recent ECOs, including VMS731_CLUSTER J > V1.0, VMS731_F11X V3.0, VMS731_PTHREAD V4.0, VMS731_RMS V5.0, VMS731_SYSE > V7.0, VMS731_UPDATE V4.0, and VMS731_XFC V3.0.  I mention this last < > because it seems to get mentioned in passing (or failing): >  > System crash information > ------------------------# > System State at Time of Exception # > ---------------------------------  > Exception Frame: > ----------------! >         R2  = 00000000.00000000 ! >         R3  = FFFFFFFF.815C5E50 ! >         R4  = 00000000.00049741 ! >         R5  = 00000000.00000040 4 >         R6  = FFFFFFFF.82D33E10  SYS$XFCACHE+34010! >         R7  = 00000000.00000689 4 >         PC  = FFFFFFFF.8030D588  SYS$XFCACHE+03588! >         PS  = 20000000.00000801  > > >          FFFFFFFF.8030D578:     BEQ             R20,#X00000EA >          FFFFFFFF.8030D57C:     LDQ             R19,#X0018(R18) > >          FFFFFFFF.8030D580:     ZAPNOT          R26,#X0F,R16= >          FFFFFFFF.8030D584:     SUBQ            R23,R16,R16 A >    PC => FFFFFFFF.8030D588:     LDQ             R22,#X0018(R16) = >          FFFFFFFF.8030D58C:     XOR             R19,R22,R22 > >          FFFFFFFF.8030D590:     BNE             R22,#X000003A >          FFFFFFFF.8030D594:     LDL             R21,#X0050(R16) = >          FFFFFFFF.8030D598:     XOR             R17,R21,R21  > 
 >    PS =>= >          MBZ SPAL      MBZ    IPL VMM MBZ CURMOD INT PRVMOD ; >          0   20   00000000000 08  0   0   KERN   0   EXEC  >  >  > Signal Array > ------------ >         Length = 00000005  >         Type   = 0000000C $ >         Arg    = 00000000.00000000$ >         Arg    = FFFFFFFF.FFFFFFAC7 >         Arg    = FFFFFFFF.8030D588  SYS$XFCACHE+03588 $ >         Arg    = 20000000.00000801 >  > R > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=FFFFFFFFFFFF( > FFAC, PC=FFFFFFFF8030D588, PS=00000801 > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 6 >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98185 >    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org  >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:41:45 +0200 2 From: Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de> Subject: Re: DEC PWS RAM* Message-ID: <ci8kmc$7ep10@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>   Dirk Munk wrote: > sms@antinode.org wrote:  > G >>    Once upon a time ("Date: 8 Jun 2004 05:45:30 -0700"), after I had 8 >> mentioned having 1.5GB in my PWS 500a[u] (old style): >>5 >> From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)  >> >>J >>> Check your specs, my friend.  Don't be fooled by what you can cram in 
 >>> there.J >>> That last half a gig won't do you any good unless you're running Tru64 >>> or (Ack!) NT- + >>> PW433au + OpenVMS = 1GB maximum memory.  >> >> >>J >>    As it happens, I recently put the PWS to work on a CPU-intensive jobK >> (Zip-compressing a CD-ROM image), and found that it would quite reliably F >> crash part way through with a complaint like "INVEXCEPTN, ExceptionJ >> while above ASTDEL".  Removing 512MB, so that the total is 1024MB seems >> to fix the problem. >>K >>    Is this another well known problem?  Is anyone else out there running G >> an over-stuffed PWS?  Is anyone interested in any ANAL /CRASH data?  7 >> (You can have the whole SYSDUMP.DMP, if you'd like.)  >  > G > The PWS series have always be specified for a maximum of 1 GB ram in  I > combination with VMS. I'm sure there is a good reason for that (as you  H > discovered :-) ). These systems were primarely designed for NT, which B > may be a explanation for a number of several technical problems. >  > H Looking at the SOC archive it looks as if 3 banks a 512MB are supported.  K We habe on system, which runs years with 1.5 GB of memory without problems:    System Information: I System Type   Digital Personal WorkStation              Primary CPU ID 00 P Cycle Time    1.6 nsec (598 MHz)                        Pagesize       8192 Byte   Memory Configuration: N Cluster      PFN Start      PFN Count           Range (MByte)            UsageQ   #00               0            236            0.0 MB -        1.8 MB    Console P   #01             236         196371            1.8 MB -     1535.9 MB    SystemQ   #02          196607              1         1535.9 MB -     1536.0 MB    Console          >>J >>    As usual, VMS V7.3-1 with many recent ECOs, including VMS731_CLUSTERK >> V1.0, VMS731_F11X V3.0, VMS731_PTHREAD V4.0, VMS731_RMS V5.0, VMS731_SYS F >> V7.0, VMS731_UPDATE V4.0, and VMS731_XFC V3.0.  I mention this last= >> because it seems to get mentioned in passing (or failing):  >> >> System crash information  >> ------------------------ $ >> System State at Time of Exception$ >> --------------------------------- >> Exception Frame:  >> ---------------- " >>         R2  = 00000000.00000000" >>         R3  = FFFFFFFF.815C5E50" >>         R4  = 00000000.00049741" >>         R5  = 00000000.000000405 >>         R6  = FFFFFFFF.82D33E10  SYS$XFCACHE+34010 " >>         R7  = 00000000.000006895 >>         PC  = FFFFFFFF.8030D588  SYS$XFCACHE+03588 " >>         PS  = 20000000.00000801 >>? >>          FFFFFFFF.8030D578:     BEQ             R20,#X00000E B >>          FFFFFFFF.8030D57C:     LDQ             R19,#X0018(R18)? >>          FFFFFFFF.8030D580:     ZAPNOT          R26,#X0F,R16 > >>          FFFFFFFF.8030D584:     SUBQ            R23,R16,R16B >>    PC => FFFFFFFF.8030D588:     LDQ             R22,#X0018(R16)> >>          FFFFFFFF.8030D58C:     XOR             R19,R22,R22? >>          FFFFFFFF.8030D590:     BNE             R22,#X000003 B >>          FFFFFFFF.8030D594:     LDL             R21,#X0050(R16)> >>          FFFFFFFF.8030D598:     XOR             R17,R21,R21 >> >>    PS => > >>          MBZ SPAL      MBZ    IPL VMM MBZ CURMOD INT PRVMOD< >>          0   20   00000000000 08  0   0   KERN   0   EXEC >> >> >> Signal Array  >> ------------  >>         Length = 00000005 >>         Type   = 0000000C% >>         Arg    = 00000000.00000000 % >>         Arg    = FFFFFFFF.FFFFFFAC 8 >>         Arg    = FFFFFFFF.8030D588  SYS$XFCACHE+03588% >>         Arg    = 20000000.00000801  >> >>? >> %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual   >> address=FFFFFFFFFFFF ) >> FFAC, PC=FFFFFFFF8030D588, PS=00000801  >>K >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------  >>7 >>    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818 6 >>    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org  >>    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2004 13:05:04 -0700( From: x+vmslpd@cobb.uk.net (Graham Cobb) Subject: Freeware CD in the UK? = Message-ID: <8e7323be.0409141205.3ae80de9@posting.google.com>   C Is there anyone in the UK who could send me a copy of the latest HP E OpenVMS Freeware CD?  Or someone in the Oxford area who could lend me  one?  C I have got VMS running on the Simh emulator, with the hobbyist CD.  A But I don't have a fast enough network connection to download the  freeware from HP.    Thanks in advance for any help.    Graham Cobb    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:52:42 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)# Subject: Re: Freeware CD in the UK? 6 Message-ID: <00A37E0C.18D7FC91@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  h In article <8e7323be.0409141205.3ae80de9@posting.google.com>, x+vmslpd@cobb.uk.net (Graham Cobb) writes:D >Is there anyone in the UK who could send me a copy of the latest HPF >OpenVMS Freeware CD?  Or someone in the Oxford area who could lend me >one?  > D >I have got VMS running on the Simh emulator, with the hobbyist CD. B >But I don't have a fast enough network connection to download the >freeware from HP. >   >Thanks in advance for any help. >   H I'm not in the UK, so can't help with what you've asked for.  But do youG realize that you don't have to download the entire freeware CD at once? I It's mounted and available for browsing and for downloading of individual ' kits at the openvms.compaq.com website.    -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:20:47 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future., Message-ID: <4147367E.8BD116C9@teksavvy.com>   Fabio Cardoso wrote:@ > http://www.sun.com/executives/realitycheck/reality-091004.html > % > Reality Check: HP-UX has no future.     M The "article" makes good points, but loses credibility on others. While it is L true that Ann Livermore has said that HP doesn't see a need to port HP-UX toM the 8086, I didn't see this as a categorical "we won't port it to the 8086".    K Where the article made a very good point is the delay in implementing Tru64 N features in HP-UX. HP may be happy that it released the last Alpha improvementL so soon after EV7 was released, but if Tru64 customers must still wait a fewL years before they can migrate to HP-UX, Alpha will be fairly old by then andH performance requirement may force those customers to choose another UnixK platform that offers clusering capabilities that are better than what HP-UX G currently offers as well as performance that they had expected Alpha to  provide well beyond EV8.  F The difference between Tru64 and VMS is that by moving to HP-UX, Tru64L customers can expect greater software availablility. With VMS, there will beJ lesser software availability because of the software that is not ported toD IA64 because it has been abandonned by either DEC/HP or 3rd parties.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2004 14:16:52 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski), Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0409141316.43b0b281@posting.google.com>   s fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in message news:<f30679fb.0409140422.7bda23de@posting.google.com>...  > H > Furthermore Sun offers a variety of products and services, through theE > HP Away program, that make it easy for HP customers to migrate to a & > Sun platform with an assured future.  = How does sun offer an assured future?  They could go bankrupt  at any minute!   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:21:37 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>, Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.* Message-ID: <414760AA.9030801@prodigy.net>   Bob Ceculski wrote:   u > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in message news:<f30679fb.0409140422.7bda23de@posting.google.com>...  > H >>Furthermore Sun offers a variety of products and services, through theE >>HP Away program, that make it easy for HP customers to migrate to a & >>Sun platform with an assured future. >  > ? > How does sun offer an assured future?  They could go bankrupt  > at any minute!  8 With all those billions in cash?  How could that happen?   --  D The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:44:29 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>, Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.2 Message-ID: <ci7oob$7uj$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Fabio Cardoso wrote:H > But they dont mention OpenVMS. Does Sun know it ? Or it doesnt menace > Sun ?   ) SUN = Unix, so they only talk about Unix.    > Read below or click. >  > @ > http://www.sun.com/executives/realitycheck/reality-091004.html >  >   L What the article mentions about the battle between Itanic and 64 bit x86 is P nothing new. We have predicted the present state of affairs in this group since ! (and maybe before) the Alphacide.   P However Sun has really nothing to brag about. I'm quite familiar now with their Q   present line of Sparc machines, and it is a sorry mess. Would you believe they  O have systems with a list price of > $100.000 that have 1 (yes one !) 66Mhz PCI  L slot, and maybe half a dozen or so 33 MHz slots (all 64 bit slots). And you A can't get more slots...... There are better equiped desktop PC's.   4 Compare that with a ES47, and its I/O possibilities.  J Furthermore the whole line of servers is confusing, and without any logic.  B However their Opteron servers look quite impressive, I must admit.  Q And is Solaris better than HP-UX? I don't know. These days I quite often have to  N   work with HP-UX, Solaris or Tru64. Tru64 seems to be the best Unix, that is N what I have noticed, and it is what our operating groups think as well. HP-UX P looks rather old-fashioned, and Solaris is somewhere in between. A nice example P is the swap space. For HP-UX you need to have a swap space (on disk) that is at M least as big as your ram memory.  For a machine with 128 GB, you need a swap  ! space on disk in excess of 128GB.   O I suppose it would have been better if HP had rebranded Tru64 as HP-UX 12, and  L kept the Alpha. But hey, I'm just a stupid technician, and I don't have the # intellectual capacity of a manager.   P (I just read a report stating that the average IQ of a manager is 107, which is . lower than the IQ of a mechanic or a salesman)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:13:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future., Message-ID: <41476D05.11DD331B@teksavvy.com>   Dirk Munk wrote:P > I suppose it would have been better if HP had rebranded Tru64 as HP-UX 12, andM > kept the Alpha. But hey, I'm just a stupid technician, and I don't have the % > intellectual capacity of a manager.   A Or rather the manager doesn't have your intellectual capacity :-)   M Remember that HP bought Compaq not to gain any of Digital's technologies, but L rather to eliminate a wintel competitor. As a result, Carly had no intentionR to leverage any of the ex-Digital baggage she got hidden inside the Compaq bundle.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:12:58 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>, Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.* Message-ID: <41476CB2.9010501@prodigy.net>   Dirk Munk wrote:   > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > I >> But they dont mention OpenVMS. Does Sun know it ? Or it doesnt menace  >> Sun ? >  > + > SUN = Unix, so they only talk about Unix.  >  >> Read below or click.  >> >>A >> http://www.sun.com/executives/realitycheck/reality-091004.html  >> >> > K > What the article mentions about the battle between Itanic and 64 bit x86  I > is nothing new. We have predicted the present state of affairs in this  / > group since (and maybe before) the Alphacide.  > G > However Sun has really nothing to brag about. I'm quite familiar now  F > with their  present line of Sparc machines, and it is a sorry mess. K > Would you believe they have systems with a list price of > $100.000 that  I > have 1 (yes one !) 66Mhz PCI slot, and maybe half a dozen or so 33 MHz  I > slots (all 64 bit slots). And you can't get more slots...... There are   > better equiped desktop PC's.  G I doubt you'll find a desktop PC that can come anywhere near using such  slots to capacity.   > 6 > Compare that with a ES47, and its I/O possibilities. > L > Furthermore the whole line of servers is confusing, and without any logic. > D > However their Opteron servers look quite impressive, I must admit. > K > And is Solaris better than HP-UX? I don't know. These days I quite often  I > have to  work with HP-UX, Solaris or Tru64. Tru64 seems to be the best  I > Unix, that is what I have noticed, and it is what our operating groups  B > think as well. HP-UX looks rather old-fashioned, and Solaris is H > somewhere in between. A nice example is the swap space. For HP-UX you J > need to have a swap space (on disk) that is at least as big as your ram G > memory.  For a machine with 128 GB, you need a swap space on disk in   > excess of 128GB. > I > I suppose it would have been better if HP had rebranded Tru64 as HP-UX  G > 12, and kept the Alpha. But hey, I'm just a stupid technician, and I  4 > don't have the intellectual capacity of a manager. > I > (I just read a report stating that the average IQ of a manager is 107,  9 > which is lower than the IQ of a mechanic or a salesman)      --  D The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:01:07 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> , Subject: RE: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB45CEFC@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----, > From: CJT [mailto:abujlehc@prodigy.net]=20" > Sent: September 14, 2004 5:22 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com - > Subject: Re: From Sun: HP-UX has no future.  >=20 > Bob Ceculski wrote:  >=20@ > > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in message=20; > news:<f30679fb.0409140422.7bda23de@posting.google.com>...  > >=20A > >>Furthermore Sun offers a variety of products and services,=20 
 > through the G > >>HP Away program, that make it easy for HP customers to migrate to a ( > >>Sun platform with an assured future. > >=20 > >=20A > > How does sun offer an assured future?  They could go bankrupt  > > at any minute! >=20: > With all those billions in cash?  How could that happen? >=20  F Yeah right .. Like when Digital had $3B in the bank when Compaq bought it?   E I still remember the conversation "yeay right, Digital has $3B in the < bank, who is big enough to buy us .. It will never happen.."  B Mergers and acquisitions are all paper money and stocks and future speculation...     :-)   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:33:41 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>, Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.* Message-ID: <4147B7DF.4040505@prodigy.net>   Main, Kerry wrote:   >>-----Original Message-----* >>From: CJT [mailto:abujlehc@prodigy.net] " >>Sent: September 14, 2004 5:22 PM >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com - >>Subject: Re: From Sun: HP-UX has no future.  >> >>Bob Ceculski wrote:  >> >>= >>>fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in message   >>; >>news:<f30679fb.0409140422.7bda23de@posting.google.com>...  >>? >>>>Furthermore Sun offers a variety of products and services,   >>
 >>through the  >>G >>>>HP Away program, that make it easy for HP customers to migrate to a ( >>>>Sun platform with an assured future. >>>e >>>t@ >>>How does sun offer an assured future?  They could go bankrupt >>>at any minute!I >>: >>With all those billions in cash?  How could that happen? >> >  > H > Yeah right .. Like when Digital had $3B in the bank when Compaq bought > it?u > G > I still remember the conversation "yeay right, Digital has $3B in thee> > bank, who is big enough to buy us .. It will never happen.." > D > Mergers and acquisitions are all paper money and stocks and future > speculation... >  >  > :-)H >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant- > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660n > Fax: 613-591-4477u > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT)  > & > "OpenVMS has always had integrity ..  > Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."  / Merger and bankruptcy are two different things.t   -- eD The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:07:34 -0400k- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>e, Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.+ Message-ID: <4147C004.75B8984@teksavvy.com>c   "Main, Kerry" wrote:H > Yeah right .. Like when Digital had $3B in the bank when Compaq bought > it?u  L remember that Palmer proudly admitted that he had been working with PfeifferK for the PAST THREE YEARS to shape digital to something Compaq wanted to buys and coudl afford to buy.  N The amount of cash a company has is irrelevant when the company management hasL abandonned ship and desperatly wants to be purchased by someone else. CompaqN could use that 3 billion to pay down debt generate from Compaq's purchase of a much bigger fish.   N Cash becomes important in a hostile takeover when the corporation's managementN wants to hold on to power and prevent a takeover. It can then use that cash toI either buy back stock, work on a poison pill or other methods to make the & potential buyer get a very sour taste.  K I have no indication that SUN had thrown in the towel and is awaiting to be - purchased. Very different story from Digital.-   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2004 11:58:29 -0700' From: clyde_poole@msn.com (Clyde Poole)R' Subject: Re: I need SMC  CD for Win2000R< Message-ID: <dc56296.0409141058.5dcc8511@posting.google.com>  
 Tom et al:  & The only official thing I can find is:  H http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/Alpha/firmware/interim/smc/index.html  C My comments on the upgrade were based on an experience I had with ab" customer that did get the upgrade.  A It could be that you only get Windows 2000 when you bought an SMC C after Compaq/HP stopped shipping NT.  I note that the Release Notes B for SMC V4.0 don't mention NT or Windows 2000. SMC V4.0 is the oneF that will run on Windows 2000.  However I see that in the installation# guide they mention NT specifically.t   ctpa  o hartsoot@ucs.orst.edu (Tom Hartsook) wrote in message news:<622ca779.0409091555.21fefd47@posting.google.com>... ? > If you know the magic incantation to break the spell, I wouldcE > appreciate it very much.  The HP drones would not listen to me.  WeR > have support on everything.t > Tom  > m > clyde_poole@msn.com (Clyde Poole) wrote in message news:<dc56296.0409071048.1b6840b0@posting.google.com>...  >  > > J > > I believe if an SMC is on hardware support from HP, the upgrade to SMCE > > version 4 (Windows 2000 plus the newer versions of the managemente3 > > software) is part of the maintenance agreement.l   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2004 13:08:57 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.y3 Message-ID: <mItJVX6yDIpN@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  F In article <10kbtmpknecmf7b@corp.supernews.com>, Z <z@no.spam> writes: > ; > How many people carry a printer _and_ terminal with them?   G    We had laptop size VT220 clones with built in ink-jet printers whichs.    were designed specifically for portability.  H    A recent web search stumbled on similar still being manufactured, but!    now up to VT5xx compatability.-  D    Somehow I just wonder if a tadpole could have used that Alpha forA    both processing and a to drive a thermal printer.  Interesting0"    problem in thermal engineering.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2004 13:11:27 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)I; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.a3 Message-ID: <jh+NU$iDXo+2@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <nvmck0pmnmo05n78139ki2liuag1timait@4ax.com>, Mike B. <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> writes: > H > Anybody with a TI Silent 700?  I've seen field techs with those in the > distant past...l  D    Make sure you ask for two nulls in your .ttini and map escape for    altmode.  DECSYSTEM-10 days.?   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2004 12:38:33 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan); Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future..= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0409141138.5506b260@posting.google.com>e  i Mike B. <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> wrote in message news:<vn1ek053b888p93em1lldro5la71j6mhnf@4ax.com>...rH > On 14 Sep 2004 12:24:18 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > ; > >In article <nvmck0pmnmo05n78139ki2liuag1timait@4ax.com>, / > >	Mike B. <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> writes:s= > >> On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:37:12 -0700, Z <z@no.spam> wrote:r > >> C > >>>Bob Koehler wrote:r >  n> > >>>How many people carry a printer _and_ terminal with them? > >> eK > >> Anybody with a TI Silent 700?  I've seen field techs with those in thei > >> distant past... > >sC > >The very distant past.  I haven't seen one in at least 20 years.1 >  > That would be about right... >  >  > -- Mike B.  D Just placed our last one reverently into the salvage bin last year. B It still worked, when you could find a phone that fit the acousticA couplers, but we couldn't find anyone local who wanted it for any.E purpose, and it was not worth dealing with shipping.  Too bad, it wasn nice way back when.   F BTW we did once have a DECwriter 90ip, a small battery powered inkjet.F  Worked OK as a portable, though of course it got attached to a wintel notebook...i   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:35:28 GMT ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>i; Subject: Re: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.h& Message-ID: <4147642D.5040507@iee.org>  H >> Yes, the 3100 machines have a 1.2gig limit for the boot device.  OnceG >> VMS is up, the limit is gone for data disks, but you can't boot frome  >> anything bigger than 1.2gigs. >  > L > Yet you fault PCs from the same time period for the same basic limitation?  = The limitation in the VAXstation 3100 console code was easily,9 fixed. In fact it was fixed by DEC except in those modelst? that they judged it to be uneconomical to do so (mostly because % replacements were available by then).n  ? The BIOS limitations arise because a published and heavily usedo; interface has a limitation. Ugly workarounds are available.    Antonioc   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:05:07 +0200w* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>) Subject: Re: need quick EDT or TPU script + Message-ID: <2qoq6oF11od1fU1@uni-berlin.de>s  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:u > Hi folks,o >  > G > I have some text files which, when looked at in EDT, have an explicitc >  >      > J > (that's GOLD 13 GOLD KP3) at the end of each line.  The attributes look J > the same as a proper text file, so SET FILE/ATTR (or CONV/FDL) probably H > wouldn't work.  Also, the old TECO trick doesn't work either (I think . > this gets rid of carriage return-line feed). > H > In EDT, I can do KP. <RETURN> KP6 PF1 PF3 <RETURN> <RETURN> and every 7 > time I hit PF1 KP<ENTER> then one line gets replaced.e > I > Is there any way to automate this in EDT or TPU (i.e. what I need is a tJ > DCL procedure which takes a list of file names to correct as its single  > input parameter).  > J > I'm reasonably sure EDT or TPU or FORTRAN or DCL could do this, but I'm  > really in a hurry. >    TPU answer:l  C <DO> repeat 1000 ; (or somewhat more than you think there might be)o <DO> replace <CTRL>V <ENTER>  <ENTER> <ENTER>i   and watch it go...  @ To put that into a procedure using EDT, look for my EDIT.COM at  http://tinyurl.com/5mfrf  @ I dont' think I mentioned it there, but it takes the input from  DIR/COL=1/NOHEAD/NOTRAIl.t   and put into EDTINI.EDT:   s/<CR>//%whole ex  E (where you use TPU's <CTRL>V or EDT's <GOLD>13<GOLD><KP3> to get the p carriage return in.a   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2004 13:18:27 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)w) Subject: Re: need quick EDT or TPU scriptt3 Message-ID: <eSCbB2WsLV15@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  w In article <ci765d$an4$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  > Hi folks,h >  > G > I have some text files which, when looked at in EDT, have an explicit  >  >        > J > (that's GOLD 13 GOLD KP3) at the end of each line.  The attributes look J > the same as a proper text file, so SET FILE/ATTR (or CONV/FDL) probably H > wouldn't work.  Also, the old TECO trick doesn't work either (I think . > this gets rid of carriage return-line feed).  M    I would certianly try set file/attr=stmcr or stm.  What are the attributes:    now?R >    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Sep 2004 18:21:13 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com>d) Subject: Re: need quick EDT or TPU script(7 Message-ID: <Xns9564CF3CA5914dcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>i  B %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote in  news:ci765d$an4$1@online.deh   > Hi folks,g >  > G > I have some text files which, when looked at in EDT, have an explicit  >  >      >  > J > (that's GOLD 13 GOLD KP3) at the end of each line.  The attributes look J > the same as a proper text file, so SET FILE/ATTR (or CONV/FDL) probably H > wouldn't work.  Also, the old TECO trick doesn't work either (I think . > this gets rid of carriage return-line feed). > H > In EDT, I can do KP. <RETURN> KP6 PF1 PF3 <RETURN> <RETURN> and every 7 > time I hit PF1 KP<ENTER> then one line gets replaced.o > I > Is there any way to automate this in EDT or TPU (i.e. what I need is a  J > DCL procedure which takes a list of file names to correct as its single  > input parameter).g > J > I'm reasonably sure EDT or TPU or FORTRAN or DCL could do this, but I'm  > really in a hurry.  @ I don't know if this will work, but it's probably worth a try...   In TPU do a SET KEYPAD EDT.s Press [DO] and enter LEARN$ Input your sequence and press CTRL/R3 Assign your key sequence to a function key, eg F12.-J Press [DO] and enter REPEAT x (where x is the number of times you need to 	 do this).05 Press the function key you assigned to your sequence.      Doc. -- 4G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.SG http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.8   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:11:37 -0400F* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: need quick EDT or TPU script 3 Message-ID: <KqG1d.2313$KF.18599@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>0   Very easy with TPU  ? You can do a LEARN then go to end of line, delete the character1 ^R to Remember key sequence0& WHAT to know how many lines you've got; REPEAT that many time, the function key you remebrered into2   OR  * Cut the offending character from one line.
 Do REPLACE, paste the character at the Old String prompt nothing in the New String  Replace ALL0   --   Syltrem    OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---0L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>9 a crit dans le message de news:ci765d$an4$1@online.de...  > Hi folks,F >F >.G > I have some text files which, when looked at in EDT, have an explicit  >  >= >0I > (that's GOLD 13 GOLD KP3) at the end of each line.  The attributes looktI > the same as a proper text file, so SET FILE/ATTR (or CONV/FDL) probably-G > wouldn't work.  Also, the old TECO trick doesn't work either (I thinke. > this gets rid of carriage return-line feed). >3G > In EDT, I can do KP. <RETURN> KP6 PF1 PF3 <RETURN> <RETURN> and every57 > time I hit PF1 KP<ENTER> then one line gets replaced.  > H > Is there any way to automate this in EDT or TPU (i.e. what I need is aI > DCL procedure which takes a list of file names to correct as its singleg > input parameter).p >aI > I'm reasonably sure EDT or TPU or FORTRAN or DCL could do this, but I'm1 > really in a hurry. >l   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:32:36 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>) Subject: Re: need quick EDT or TPU scripth, Message-ID: <414739b0$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  I while probably not the best thing in the world I've been using this to doe global replaces for a long times    = save the following dcl command procedure to globalreplace.commI then @globalreplace *.txt and it will do a global replace in all the .txta files in a directory.oL I use this to make changes to html files by directory. You edit the com file and change oldstuff to newstuff . in the global_replace command.. so it could be  + global_replace (' VMS', ' OpenVMS', "","");e   ie 'space'VMS to 'space'OpenVMSsL you can do multiple copies of the global_replace command just by adding more linesiJ Granted I haven't used it much for changing '<cr>' to something else but I have changed (r) to &reg;i     $loop: $ f = f$search("''p1'")o $ if f.eqs."" then exite9 $   EDIT/TPU/NODISPLAY/NOSECTION/NOINIT/COM=SYS$INPUT: 'f E procedure global_replace (find_pat, repl_str, repl_str2, wild_chars);s9 local found_wildcard,begin_str,end_str,search_pattern,r1;,( found_wildcard := index (find_pat, "*"); if found_wildcard = 0E then     search_pattern := find_pat;  else8     begin_str := SUBSTR (find_pat, 1, found_wildcard-1);3     end_str := SUBSTR (find_pat, found_wildcard+1);(F     search_pattern := begin_str + (SPAN (wild_chars) | "")  + end_str; endif;) position (beginning_of (current_buffer));- loop=     r1 := search_quietly (search_pattern, forward, no_exact); !     if r1 = 0 then return; endif; 4     position (r1); erase (r1); copy_text (repl_str);     if repl_str2 <> ""     THEN        split_line;        copy_text (repl_str2);S
     ENDIF; endloop;
 endprocedure;0 message_buffer := 0;? b1 := create_buffer ("b1", get_info(command_line,"file_name"));0 position (b1);/ global_replace ('oldstuff', 'newstuff', "",""); ! if get_info (b1, "MODIFIED") thenF9   write_file (b1, get_info(command_line, "output_file"));  endif; quit (off, 1); $EOD
 $goto loop   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:41:39 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)) Subject: Re: need quick EDT or TPU script5. Message-ID: <ci7hhj$sd1$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes in article <ci765d$an4$1@online.de> dated Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:27:25 +0000 (UTC):F >I have some text files which, when looked at in EDT, have an explicit >  >    M >II >(that's GOLD 13 GOLD KP3) at the end of each line.  The attributes look  I >the same as a proper text file, so SET FILE/ATTR (or CONV/FDL) probably  G >wouldn't work.  Also, the old TECO trick doesn't work either (I think  - >this gets rid of carriage return-line feed).F >.G >In EDT, I can do KP. <RETURN> KP6 PF1 PF3 <RETURN> <RETURN> and every  6 >time I hit PF1 KP<ENTER> then one line gets replaced. >tH >Is there any way to automate this in EDT or TPU (i.e. what I need is a I >DCL procedure which takes a list of file names to correct as its single   >input parameter). >aI >I'm reasonably sure EDT or TPU or FORTRAN or DCL could do this, but I'm a >really in a hurry.i  H Whatever it was came out as 4 spaces in my newsreader.  GOLD and KP3 areI keys, not characters.  I'm guessing the files contain carriage return and> linefeed characters?  I If that's the case, you can use a LEARN sequence in TPU to do it.  You'llnF need to "edit" the file containing all of the filenames, use the LEARN7 command, along with some strategic ^V (quote) commands.   G If there are any big files, use DCL instead.  Unlike EDT, TPU reads thea  entire file into virtual memory.  > If the total size of all the files is really big, use Fortran.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2004 17:36:03 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)t) Subject: Re: need quick EDT or TPU scripta= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0409141636.66dd30bb@posting.google.com>   | helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote in message news:<ci765d$an4$1@online.de>... > Hi folks,h >  > G > I have some text files which, when looked at in EDT, have an explicitr >  >      > J > (that's GOLD 13 GOLD KP3) at the end of each line.  The attributes look J > the same as a proper text file, so SET FILE/ATTR (or CONV/FDL) probably H > wouldn't work.  Also, the old TECO trick doesn't work either (I think . > this gets rid of carriage return-line feed). > H > In EDT, I can do KP. <RETURN> KP6 PF1 PF3 <RETURN> <RETURN> and every 7 > time I hit PF1 KP<ENTER> then one line gets replaced.c > I > Is there any way to automate this in EDT or TPU (i.e. what I need is a 1J > DCL procedure which takes a list of file names to correct as its single  > input parameter).  > J > I'm reasonably sure EDT or TPU or FORTRAN or DCL could do this, but I'm  > really in a hurry.> While the following tpu procedure isn't exactly what you want,; it shows how to do it in tpu. (From "eveplus" in the 1980s)S Phil !+? !       FIX_CRLFS.TPU - Routine to turn CRLFs into line breaks  B !                       and remove leading CRs and trailing CRLFs  !-   procedure eve_fix_crlfs    LOCAL   the_range;       on_error+         if (ERROR <> tpu$_STRNOTFOUND) then M             message("Error (" + str(ERROR) + ") at line " + str(ERROR_LINE));              return;r         endif;     endon_error;   !>G ! First remove the CRLFs. If they are not at the EOL, add a line break.  !>+     position(beginning_of(current_buffer));0     loop:         the_range := search(ascii(13)+ascii(10), FORWARD);         exitif (the_range = 0);r         erase(the_range);-*         position(beginning_of(the_range));)         if (current_character <> "") then-             split_line;e         endif;     endloop; ! F ! Next remove naked LFs. If they are not at the EOL, add a line break. !R+     position(beginning_of(current_buffer));0     loop0         the_range := search(ascii(10), FORWARD);         exitif (the_range = 0);0         erase(the_range);=*         position(beginning_of(the_range));)         if (current_character <> "") then              split_line;          endif;     endloop; !>J ! Finally, remove naked CRs. If they are not at the BOL, add a line break. !F+     position(beginning_of(current_buffer));,     loop0         the_range := search(ascii(13), FORWARD);         exitif (the_range = 0);3$         position(end_of(the_range));%         if (current_offset <> 0) then              split_line;R         endif;         erase(the_range);      endloop;   endprocedure   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:35:58 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>R! Subject: OT: IVAN and New OrleansB, Message-ID: <4147643D.F0929D7C@teksavvy.com>  G There was a discussion not long ago about alternate travel plans to new> Orleans in case of a hurricane.   L Well, New Orleans is already under state of evacuation, some 24 hours beforeM hurricane winds are expected to start, about 36 hours before the centre would H make landfall. The airport will close tonight. "Vertical evacuation" wasI mentioned (staying a few floors above ground to avoid drowning should the D waters rise above the dams and flood the "bowl" that is New Orleans.  N Amtrak is forced to suspend services to/from New Orleans due to the closure of( floodgates blocking the tracks. More at:| > http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Amtrak/am2Copy/News_Release_Page&c=am2Copy&cid=1093553962491&ssid=180   (sorry it it wraps)a  K BBC news have mentioned is that much of the gulf offshore drilling has beencH suspended as the rigs are prepared to brace for the seas/winds, and thisM represents 25% of oil consumption in the USA, ad this has put a big strain onaI oil prices. (Not sure how long and how many remain offline as the path isd better defined with time).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:09:13 -0400f& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.8 Message-ID: <gfcek0hpng6nsrfkfrm5965dhsl5gc8lrb@4ax.com>  C On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:34:21 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:t  b >In article <qm5ek0l0sqjg9l4mj146018hvmb2tpbrci@4ax.com>, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> writes: 	<snip>A >> >>RUN VAXLINK2 >eC >... and this is what I see but the image that runs is ALPHALK2.EXEn >(2 >I'm at a loss as to how the RUN ALPHALK2 is sent.  H Well, when you actually initiate a file transfer which specifies the WRQK protocol, then this command is "typed" (without echo) to VMS by ReflectionseL behind your back -- since it is a terminal emulator, it can type anything it wants.  N >I have nothing defined system-wide.  I had to use code downloaded from an in-L >ternet site so the program exists only in the default (home) directory of aF >non-prived account for testing.  That program's name is ALPHALK2.EXE.  P That should work, too -- I defined the logical name so everyone wouldn't have toC have a copy of the program in their default (or current) directory.-  L It sounds like your "transfer setup" is okay, and you have the magic programO (essentially, ALPHALK2.EXE is a "server" for the WRQ file transfer protocol) in4O a place where it should be found. So, to initiate a file transfer and see if itu3 works, you just do this on the Reflections session:   @ 1. Click File \ Transfer... to bring up the File Transfer "box".  K 2. Use the Windows-like file selection box on the left (labeled Local on mytN version) to select the PC file to be sent to the VMS system (or to specify theN name of the file to be created on the PC if you are going from VMS to the PC).  L 3. Make sure the Protocol box says "WRQ/Reflection" and the Transfer type is, ASCII or Binary (as you need for your file).  - 4. Fill in the Host file name (if necessary).e  K 5. Click on the >> button to initiate the transfer. A box should come up to 7 track the progress, and the file should be transferred.   K If this doesn't help at all, then maybe I'm not understanding your problem.t  I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comeI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)eI -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:09:25 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.: Message-ID: <BsG1d.144059$_h.73330@bignews3.bellsouth.net>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   > OK...  > H > This Reflection thing sends a command to the VMS session: RUN ALPHALK2 > H > I want to experiment and define a logical and then run the program.  IF > have created a ALPHALK2.COM file with $ DEFINE... and $ RUN ALPHALK2 > I > I've looked all throughout this Reflection Weedoze bastardized PeeCee  mG > shite setup toilet and can only find a reference to RUN VAXLINK2.  IsrF > there a translation that is automatically applied to change VAXLI toF > ALPHA?  It seems to ignore when I change the command to @ALPHALK2 or > @VAXLINK2 regardless.  > G > Is it any wonder I've been shortening my work time and lengthening myr > Guinness time. > D > Can anybody here what works with this horked up shite lend a hand?  J I'm working with Reflection v10.0 here.  I haven't played with these file H transfer programs in ages... not since I started demanding that FTP and L TCP/IP be installed on all of the OpenVMS systems that I work with.  Still, M there's been a few cases where all I had was an asynch console connection to  M a remote system and I absolutely had to use these tools to upload some files o* so they were of benefit to have available.  ! In Reflections, do the following:a  - On the menu, choose Setup -> File Transfer...   J On the Protocol tab, select "WRQ/Reflection" as your protocol and use the " preset configuration "To OpenVMS".  L On the WRQ tab, in the "Host system options" grouping of controls, there is M an edit box labeled "Startup command:".  By default, it says "RUN VAXLINK2". y+   You can change this to be "RUN ALPHALK2".i  F If you don't have ALPHALK2.EXE in your default directory in your host K session then it won't be found, so defining a logical name ALPHALK2 in one k* of your logical name tables is beneficial.  J If you want to use a command procedure then change the startup command to K run the command procedure.  Just be sure to fiddle properly with SYS$INPUT yJ before running ALPHALK2.EXE from within your command procedure so that it F gets its input properly.  You know, the old $DEFINE/USER SYS$INPUT....  C A note... do you have the correct versions of the VAXLINK2.EXE and tK ALPHALK2.EXE programs?  Are they damaged at all?  If you want, I can email fD them to you... just email me directly and I'll fire them off to you.     HTH,   Chucke -- b Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:19:38 GMTP" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGF Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.0 Message-ID: <00A37DEE.5C28515E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <BsG1d.144059$_h.73330@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> writes: ! >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  >a >> OK... >> gI >> This Reflection thing sends a command to the VMS session: RUN ALPHALK2n >>  I >> I want to experiment and define a logical and then run the program.  InG >> have created a ALPHALK2.COM file with $ DEFINE... and $ RUN ALPHALK2t >> cJ >> I've looked all throughout this Reflection Weedoze bastardized PeeCee  H >> shite setup toilet and can only find a reference to RUN VAXLINK2.  IsG >> there a translation that is automatically applied to change VAXLI to-G >> ALPHA?  It seems to ignore when I change the command to @ALPHALK2 or. >> @VAXLINK2 regardless. >> :H >> Is it any wonder I've been shortening my work time and lengthening my >> Guinness time.n >> tE >> Can anybody here what works with this horked up shite lend a hand?H >XK >I'm working with Reflection v10.0 here.  I haven't played with these file tI >transfer programs in ages... not since I started demanding that FTP and  M >TCP/IP be installed on all of the OpenVMS systems that I work with.  Still, nN >there's been a few cases where all I had was an asynch console connection to N >a remote system and I absolutely had to use these tools to upload some files + >so they were of benefit to have available.l > " >In Reflections, do the following: >e. >On the menu, choose Setup -> File Transfer... >hK >On the Protocol tab, select "WRQ/Reflection" as your protocol and use the 4# >preset configuration "To OpenVMS".n >rM >On the WRQ tab, in the "Host system options" grouping of controls, there is kN >an edit box labeled "Startup command:".  By default, it says "RUN VAXLINK2". , >  You can change this to be "RUN ALPHALK2". > G >If you don't have ALPHALK2.EXE in your default directory in your host >L >session then it won't be found, so defining a logical name ALPHALK2 in one + >of your logical name tables is beneficial.  > K >If you want to use a command procedure then change the startup command to aL >run the command procedure.  Just be sure to fiddle properly with SYS$INPUT K >before running ALPHALK2.EXE from within your command procedure so that it  G >gets its input properly.  You know, the old $DEFINE/USER SYS$INPUT....h > D >A note... do you have the correct versions of the VAXLINK2.EXE and L >ALPHALK2.EXE programs?  Are they damaged at all?  If you want, I can email E >them to you... just email me directly and I'll fire them off to you.C    J I do.  The files do transfer.  I still don't see how it sends RUN ALPHALK2, when the reflection setup says RUN VAXLINK2.  K Anyhow, I'm trying to understand a problem when another products is running  when thi WRQ transfer runs.e  r -- k< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   -- sK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:38:49 -0400t* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.: Message-ID: <oMH1d.144269$_h.71325@bignews3.bellsouth.net>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  L > I do.  The files do transfer.  I still don't see how it sends RUN ALPHALK2. > when the reflection setup says RUN VAXLINK2.  M Maybe the ALPHALK2.EXE program was simply copied to the name VAXLINK2.EXE on eJ your OpenVMS Alpha system.  That would allow for the terminal emulator to : use a single configuration for both VAX and Alpha systems.  M > Anyhow, I'm trying to understand a problem when another products is runningh > when thi WRQ transfer runs.-  M What are the symptoms of this problem, and what is the other program that is yM running when it occurs?  I'm going to guess/assume that you are referring to DH some other program running on the PC and not on the Alpha system, but I M don't know that for certain.  If you can provide some more details I'll help   you as I'm able to.0     Chuck  --   Chuck ChoppS  8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:51:20 +0100A- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.8 Message-ID: <7mpek0l4sgm12ed8mhe3ljook3n0s6lvqa@4ax.com>  C On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:34:46 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:s  . >My issue is I still cannot understand why theK >Reflection says RUN VAXLINK2 and the command that gets to the terminal (ase3 >is evidenced by a RECALL command) is RUN ALPHALK2.   I You're the certified VMS Kernel Hacker, bloody well found out and tell us  :-)c  H Google reveals some hints which may be related to Vax/Alpha issues.  OneJ basically says "rename ALPHALK2 to VAXLINK2 and install in user directory"I (which I guess means that the RUN VAXLINK2 Reflection command will always0H work, independent of target architecture), and other says "make sure theJ Reflection command is VAXLINK2, not RUN VAXLINK2" (which I guess means youI should look for a symbol or command verb which again will accommodate the. Vax/Alpha difference).   -- @. Mondays are the potholes in the road of life.    Mail john rather than nospam...i   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:34:46 GMTo" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGF Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.0 Message-ID: <00A37E09.9ED07ACB@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <oMH1d.144269$_h.71325@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> writes:a! >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  >>M >> I do.  The files do transfer.  I still don't see how it sends RUN ALPHALK2o/ >> when the reflection setup says RUN VAXLINK2.f >rN >Maybe the ALPHALK2.EXE program was simply copied to the name VAXLINK2.EXE on K >your OpenVMS Alpha system.  That would allow for the terminal emulator to h; >use a single configuration for both VAX and Alpha systems.   K I'm pretty sure that when I issue a $ DIRECTORY command in this non-privied  test account that I see:  7 ALPHALNK2.EXE;1     LOGIN.COM;19        TESTDATA.TXT;14n       N >> Anyhow, I'm trying to understand a problem when another products is running >> when thi WRQ transfer runs. > N >What are the symptoms of this problem, and what is the other program that is N >running when it occurs?  I'm going to guess/assume that you are referring to I >some other program running on the PC and not on the Alpha system, but I SN >don't know that for certain.  If you can provide some more details I'll help  >you as I'm able to.  K It's a program on the Alpha.  My issue is I still cannot understand why therJ Reflection says RUN VAXLINK2 and the command that gets to the terminal (as2 is evidenced by a RECALL command) is RUN ALPHALK2.   -- s< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.: -- e, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   -- eK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:55:27 GMTa" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGF Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.0 Message-ID: <00A37E25.A7B3F81A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  h In article <7mpek0l4sgm12ed8mhe3ljook3n0s6lvqa@4ax.com>, John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:D >On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:34:46 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > / >>My issue is I still cannot understand why thetL >>Reflection says RUN VAXLINK2 and the command that gets to the terminal (as4 >>is evidenced by a RECALL command) is RUN ALPHALK2. >nJ >You're the certified VMS Kernel Hacker, bloody well found out and tell us >:-) > I >Google reveals some hints which may be related to Vax/Alpha issues.  One4K >basically says "rename ALPHALK2 to VAXLINK2 and install in user directory"RJ >(which I guess means that the RUN VAXLINK2 Reflection command will alwaysI >work, independent of target architecture), and other says "make sure the K >Reflection command is VAXLINK2, not RUN VAXLINK2" (which I guess means youyJ >should look for a symbol or command verb which again will accommodate the >Vax/Alpha difference)..  0 <me> banging head again the concrete walls </me>  I The ALPHALK2.EXE is the ONLY file on the machine and IT FREAKIN' WORKS!!!eH I want to know where it gets this name on the PeeCee side.  There are noI VAXLINK2.EXE programs on this system.  Forget the other issue I am tryingnH to debug -- the ALPHALK2.EXE program works but I cannot figure out whereI in this damn thing to set it.  All I can find out is that there is a spoto where RUN VAXLINK2 is declared.a  4 RECALL proves that the command sent is RUN ALPHALK2.  H My $IMGACT intercept says that it is the ALPHALK2.EXE in the non-privied account's home directory.   I Sheesh.  Days on something that is trivial with a real terminal or a real4 terminal emulator.   -- o< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.s -- n, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! a -- 4K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMK   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2004 18:53:50 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)cF Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.< Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0409141753.89da658@posting.google.com>  X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A37DEE.5C28515E@SendSpamHere.ORG>...i > In article <BsG1d.144059$_h.73330@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> writes:b# > >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:V > >c
 > >> OK... > >>  K > >> This Reflection thing sends a command to the VMS session: RUN ALPHALK2r > >> gK > >> I want to experiment and define a logical and then run the program.  IeI > >> have created a ALPHALK2.COM file with $ DEFINE... and $ RUN ALPHALK20 > >>  L > >> I've looked all throughout this Reflection Weedoze bastardized PeeCee  J > >> shite setup toilet and can only find a reference to RUN VAXLINK2.  IsI > >> there a translation that is automatically applied to change VAXLI to,I > >> ALPHA?  It seems to ignore when I change the command to @ALPHALK2 ort > >> @VAXLINK2 regardless. > >> hJ > >> Is it any wonder I've been shortening my work time and lengthening my > >> Guinness time.e > >>  G > >> Can anybody here what works with this horked up shite lend a hand?  > >pM > >I'm working with Reflection v10.0 here.  I haven't played with these file gK > >transfer programs in ages... not since I started demanding that FTP and 5O > >TCP/IP be installed on all of the OpenVMS systems that I work with.  Still, aP > >there's been a few cases where all I had was an asynch console connection to P > >a remote system and I absolutely had to use these tools to upload some files - > >so they were of benefit to have available.o > >o$ > >In Reflections, do the following: > >10 > >On the menu, choose Setup -> File Transfer... > >CM > >On the Protocol tab, select "WRQ/Reflection" as your protocol and use the r% > >preset configuration "To OpenVMS".w > > O > >On the WRQ tab, in the "Host system options" grouping of controls, there is  P > >an edit box labeled "Startup command:".  By default, it says "RUN VAXLINK2". . > >  You can change this to be "RUN ALPHALK2". > >uI > >If you don't have ALPHALK2.EXE in your default directory in your host lN > >session then it won't be found, so defining a logical name ALPHALK2 in one - > >of your logical name tables is beneficial.  > >sM > >If you want to use a command procedure then change the startup command to  N > >run the command procedure.  Just be sure to fiddle properly with SYS$INPUT M > >before running ALPHALK2.EXE from within your command procedure so that it oI > >gets its input properly.  You know, the old $DEFINE/USER SYS$INPUT....  > > F > >A note... do you have the correct versions of the VAXLINK2.EXE and N > >ALPHALK2.EXE programs?  Are they damaged at all?  If you want, I can email G > >them to you... just email me directly and I'll fire them off to you.V >  > L > I do.  The files do transfer.  I still don't see how it sends RUN ALPHALK2. > when the reflection setup says RUN VAXLINK2.4 Nor do I, what is the image name of your executable?1 Do you have any symbols or logicals set for this?oI I use vaxlink2 on alphas, and it was built as an alpha image vaxlink2.exe @ I also change the client startup command to VAXLINK2, and define; a global symbol VAXLINK2=="$DIR:VAXLINK2.EXE at the vms ends > M > Anyhow, I'm trying to understand a problem when another products is runninga > when thi WRQ transfer runs.i< The WRQ software should include some example dcl procedures,: you can use these to initiate a transfer from the vms end.: If you are having problems there is a preset configuration; called "troubleshooting to vms", you can also log output toT a file on the pc.u Phil >  s > --  > > http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security? >                       solutions that others only claim to be.e > -- a. > Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:N >   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:23:44 -0400r- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>oF Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.1 Message-ID: <0_mdnSpSZKksOtrcRVn-tg@adelphia.com>t    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > 2 > <me> banging head again the concrete walls </me> > K > The ALPHALK2.EXE is the ONLY file on the machine and IT FREAKIN' WORKS!!! < > I want to know where it gets this name on the PeeCee side.  2 I just happen to have a copy of Reflections handy.   >  There are no;K > VAXLINK2.EXE programs on this system.  Forget the other issue I am tryingTJ > to debug -- the ALPHALK2.EXE program works but I cannot figure out whereK > in this damn thing to set it.  All I can find out is that there is a spotn! > where RUN VAXLINK2 is declared.s > 6 > RECALL proves that the command sent is RUN ALPHALK2.  E It looks like something internal to Reflections is changing the name 'B when it detects Alpha VMS.  The documentation only references the : VAXLINK2 name, but it does mention an uploadvx.rbs script.  E Chasing down the uploadvx.RBS script referenced in the documentation :G shows where the ALPHALK2 name is coming from.  It is not clear if this sB script is always run, or if this is just to override the built in ! actions of the terminal emulator.m  @ The reflections terminal emulator script editor can display the 1 contents, and even change it if you are up to it.p  J > My $IMGACT intercept says that it is the ALPHALK2.EXE in the non-privied > account's home directory.   2 This also applies to VAXLINK.EXE and VAXLINK2.EXE.  I Unless you put the ALPHALK2.EXE in a fixed directory and point a logical rH name ALPHALK2 to it, every time someone does a file transfer from a new G default directory, the terminal emulator will create a new copy of the wD ALPHALK2.EXE program in that directory.  It may also leave wrq*.mar 
 files around.c  G And after a few months you may find copies of them all over the disks, pF in every directory that the user has write access to.  And if they do H not have write access to a directory, they will not be able to transfer # files, and will not understand why.   G I strongly recommend that you designate a system wide location to keep  G the transfer program on, and define a system wide logical name to find  B it.  And also set a symbol in sylogin.com to execute the transfer  program as a foreign command.   2 It is the of the standard things that I lock down.  I That prevents a lot of disk cleanups in the future, and allows transfers T7 from directories that the user only has read access to.   G  > Sheesh.  Days on something that is trivial with a real terminal or at  > real terminal emulator.  D If they are using TCP/IP, the last time I looked at the license and G packaging for all of their terminal emulators, it included a graphical  K FTP program, which makes the file transfers even easier and usually faster.e   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:05:03 -0500a2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.+ Message-ID: <4147B15E.D38B65CA@comcast.net>   ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:u >  > OK...u > H > This Reflection thing sends a command to the VMS session: RUN ALPHALK2 > H > I want to experiment and define a logical and then run the program.  IF > have created a ALPHALK2.COM file with $ DEFINE... and $ RUN ALPHALK2 > G > I've looked all throughout this Reflection Weedoze bastardized PeeCeerG > shite setup toilet and can only find a reference to RUN VAXLINK2.  Is1F > there a translation that is automatically applied to change VAXLI toF > ALPHA?  It seems to ignore when I change the command to @ALPHALK2 or > @VAXLINK2 regardless.m > G > Is it any wonder I've been shortening my work time and lengthening myi > Guinness time. > D > Can anybody here what works with this horked up shite lend a hand?  C O.k. I kinda got lost re-reading this thread. Let's go through this  step-by-step and verify:  > While logged into VMS at the DCL prompt, select in reflection:  H File -> Transfer -> the Setup button -> the WRQ tab (WRQ/Reflection mustH be "highlighted" for the WRQ tab to appear - try the other protocols and witness the changes).n  A In the box marked "Startup command", it should say "RUN ALPHALK2"e  H If that's what command recall pulls up, then that's what's being sent byE Reflection. This is the command to start the host-side portion of the B file transfer. For Zmodem, you would need to set up an appropriate= string, for example (something like "MCR VRZ -x" or similar).i  G To my knowledge (and some WRQ folks have been known to lurk on c.o.v.),TG Reflection has no way of knowing what's on the other end. Could be VMS,I> could be RSTS, could be Solaris, ... I have no knowledge of anG Alpha-VMS-specific identifier that Reflection can detect (may be an NDAc thing - dunno).   / BTW - the UN*X equivalent would be UNXLINK(2?).n  H ...and you'll want as little "packaging" around the host-side program asF you can live with, preferably none since otherwise it invariably leads
 to issues.   D.J.D.   P.S.:0G I know how you "love" Micro$hit, but try to stay calm and deal with it.:G Many of your colleagues out here do it everyday just to survive. It canh be done - you can do it!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:40:56 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>mF Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.+ Message-ID: <4147B9C8.9D7CFC8@teksavvy.com>e  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:e2 > <me> banging head again the concrete walls </me>  N Have you considered setting up a login.com to fake the dollar sign, accept anyI command, then invoke the right image no matter what command the remote PC'# thinks it has sent to the VMS box ?o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:52:05 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>h$ Subject: Touch screen, mouse and VMS, Message-ID: <41473DD2.95DA758D@teksavvy.com>  L Most VMS machines have a serial mouse which just sends "up, down, left right" and MB1/2/3 click/release signals.  M What happens if I find some touch screen X terminal ? Will it work out of theaK box on a VMS machine by faking serial signals, or does it require special X  windows drivers ?r   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:01:18 +0000 (UTC)a, From: lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)( Subject: Re: Touch screen, mouse and VMS. Message-ID: <ci7pne$41g$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes in article <41473DD2.95DA758D@teksavvy.com> dated Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:52:05 -0400: M >Most VMS machines have a serial mouse which just sends "up, down, left right # >and MB1/2/3 click/release signals.s >tN >What happens if I find some touch screen X terminal ? Will it work out of theL >box on a VMS machine by faking serial signals, or does it require special X >windows drivers ?  > If the box you buy speaks X11 (over tcp/ip), it should work.    J I doubt there's anything that would plug into the alpha PS/2 port though. K The PS/2 mouse protocol is based on relative (differential) position, while-: touch-screens are inherently absolute positioning devices.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:45:40 GMTC3 From: "James T. Sprinkle" <oicmrsnakes@hotmail.com>n  Subject: VAX Question (Hardware). Message-ID: <ETH1d.5$l1.887@news-west.eli.net>  F Hi!  I have seen on the internet that it is possible to get a VAX 6000I series machine to run using a Dryer outlet for power.  Has anyone had anypI luck with this?  I am not at all good with electrical work, so if someone J can explain the process in fairly simple terms how to do the conversion orG if there is a plug adapter available, please let me know where to look.P Thanks in advance!   James T. Sprinkle    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2004 15:15:56 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)d$ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware)3 Message-ID: <xx$oTWrTU3zS@eisner.encompasserve.org>p  d In article <ETH1d.5$l1.887@news-west.eli.net>, "James T. Sprinkle" <oicmrsnakes@hotmail.com> writes:H > Hi!  I have seen on the internet that it is possible to get a VAX 6000K > series machine to run using a Dryer outlet for power.  Has anyone had anytK > luck with this?  I am not at all good with electrical work, so if someoneuL > can explain the process in fairly simple terms how to do the conversion orI > if there is a plug adapter available, please let me know where to look.m > Thanks in advance!  G You don't say where you are located, but in the US outlets for electricnH dryers are typically so-called "two phase" power, which is equivalent to single phase with a center tap.   E Large computers often require "three phase" power.  The difference iso: almost as significant as the difference between AC and DC.  C Some cabinets that take three phase power as input have outlets forjE single phase power from which the gear actually runs.  It is possible6< in some of those cases to bypass the power distribution box.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:23:27 GMT63 From: "James T. Sprinkle" <oicmrsnakes@hotmail.com>e$ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware). Message-ID: <3rI1d.6$l1.726@news-west.eli.net>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:xx$oTWrTU3zS@eisner.encompasserve.org...SD > In article <ETH1d.5$l1.887@news-west.eli.net>, "James T. Sprinkle"! <oicmrsnakes@hotmail.com> writes:hJ > > Hi!  I have seen on the internet that it is possible to get a VAX 6000I > > series machine to run using a Dryer outlet for power.  Has anyone had< any>E > > luck with this?  I am not at all good with electrical work, so if  someone K > > can explain the process in fairly simple terms how to do the conversions orK > > if there is a plug adapter available, please let me know where to look.r > > Thanks in advance! >dI > You don't say where you are located, but in the US outlets for electric J > dryers are typically so-called "two phase" power, which is equivalent to! > single phase with a center tap.I   Sorry, I am located in the US.   >oG > Large computers often require "three phase" power.  The difference isn< > almost as significant as the difference between AC and DC. > E > Some cabinets that take three phase power as input have outlets for G > single phase power from which the gear actually runs.  It is possible > > in some of those cases to bypass the power distribution box.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:59:43 -0700o+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>o$ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware)' Message-ID: <41475BBF.7040801@MMaz.com>(   James T. Sprinkle wrote:  G >Hi!  I have seen on the internet that it is possible to get a VAX 6000uJ >series machine to run using a Dryer outlet for power.  Has anyone had anyJ >luck with this?  I am not at all good with electrical work, so if someoneK >can explain the process in fairly simple terms how to do the conversion or H >if there is a plug adapter available, please let me know where to look. >Thanks in advance!a >) >    > G Presuming you are from the US, your dryer is probably a 240V circuit.  )D I'm pretty sure that if your 6000 enclousure is a H9653, that has a $ 208V, three phase power requirement.  t   BarryO   -- a  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:18:35 GMTh3 From: "James T. Sprinkle" <oicmrsnakes@hotmail.com>-$ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware)/ Message-ID: <LeJ1d.7$l1.1022@news-west.eli.net>.  6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message! news:41475BBF.7040801@MMaz.com...k > James T. Sprinkle wrote: >sI > >Hi!  I have seen on the internet that it is possible to get a VAX 6000aL > >series machine to run using a Dryer outlet for power.  Has anyone had anyL > >luck with this?  I am not at all good with electrical work, so if someoneJ > >can explain the process in fairly simple terms how to do the conversion orJ > >if there is a plug adapter available, please let me know where to look. > >Thanks in advance!  > >  > >a > >dG > Presuming you are from the US, your dryer is probably a 240V circuit.vE > I'm pretty sure that if your 6000 enclousure is a H9653, that has a & > 208V, three phase power requirement.  K Not sure on the enclosure, but the person I am getting it from says it is a= model 63AMB-YE.d   >  >s > Barryt >a > --   > @ > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com@ > Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320@ > Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028 >  >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:46:06 +0000 (UTC)h7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)-$ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware)( Message-ID: <ci7oqu$d15$1@pcls4.std.com>  5 "James T. Sprinkle" <oicmrsnakes@hotmail.com> writes:o  G >Hi!  I have seen on the internet that it is possible to get a VAX 60008J >series machine to run using a Dryer outlet for power.  Has anyone had anyJ >luck with this?  I am not at all good with electrical work, so if someoneK >can explain the process in fairly simple terms how to do the conversion ordH >if there is a plug adapter available, please let me know where to look. >Thanks in advance!R  I A VAX 6000 power module is rated at 120/208V 3 phase, 16.5A.  A US "dryerhJ outlet" is 240V single phase center tapped (120V/240V), 30A.  Therefore a E dryer outlet has enough power available but it's the wrong "kind" of oC power.  A house will almost never have 3 phase power, a commercial wD building/computer room where a 6000 would have been used would.  It G really depends on how much the power module expects 3 phase power, and nC what safety logic there is that will shut the power supply down if oE something is wrong.  It will probably consider 120/240V single phase eD "wrong" if that circuitry exists, but it should work if defeated or F doesn't exist.  As the front end of the power supply simply rectifies H the AC to DC there is no real reason 3 phase is really _needed_, but it " was intended/designed for 3 phase.    J First, is your dryer outlet 3 or 4 prong (does it have a separate ground?)5 I wouldn't do it at all if it is 3 prong (no ground).f  H Second, what color code are the power wires (either black red blue whiteJ green, or brown black? ??? blue green)  The first 3 will likely go to lugs+ marked A B C or 1 2 3, they are the "hots".y --   -Mike    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Sep 04 20:24:08 EDT) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook)"$ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware)! Message-ID: <bWOirMKXz7QE@wvnvms>r  e In article <LeJ1d.7$l1.1022@news-west.eli.net>, "James T. Sprinkle" <oicmrsnakes@hotmail.com> writes:h8 > "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message# > news:41475BBF.7040801@MMaz.com...  >> James T. Sprinkle wrote:, >>J >> >Hi!  I have seen on the internet that it is possible to get a VAX 6000M >> >series machine to run using a Dryer outlet for power.  Has anyone had any M >> >luck with this?  I am not at all good with electrical work, so if someoneOK >> >can explain the process in fairly simple terms how to do the conversion- > orK >> >if there is a plug adapter available, please let me know where to look., >> >Thanks in advance! >> > >> > >> >H >> Presuming you are from the US, your dryer is probably a 240V circuit.F >> I'm pretty sure that if your 6000 enclousure is a H9653, that has a' >> 208V, three phase power requirement.. > M > Not sure on the enclosure, but the person I am getting it from says it is ai > model 63AMB-YE.   F The 63AMB-YE we have here uses three phase power.  It has a five prongI plug (the three phases, neutral and ground).  Although a lot of DEC three E phase US stuff has an internal distribution box into which a bunch ofeC standard 120V US power cords are plugged, the 63AMB-YE does not.  ING don't know if it actually has any internal three phase needs (e.g., theA( blower motor might require three phase).     George Cooka WVNETA   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:01:20 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>e$ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware), Message-ID: <4147BE8F.5EB89253@teksavvy.com>   George Cook wrote:H > The 63AMB-YE we have here uses three phase power.  It has a five prongK > plug (the three phases, neutral and ground).  Although a lot of DEC threenG > phase US stuff has an internal distribution box into which a bunch ofwC > standard 120V US power cords are plugged, the 63AMB-YE does not. e  M You'd think that a worldwide company that Digital used to be would design itseM products to have fairly standard components usable around the world. Somehow,eG I doubt that components inside the box would be specific to the variousWO flavours of power supplies around the world, especially esoteric 3 phase stuff.   M In my all mighty microvax II, there is a power distribution box which has thenL relays and some power filtering, and standard north american plugs in it. ItL also has a 110-220 switch.  Then these plugs go to the actual power suppliesH that do convert everything down to DC to drive the electronics and fans.  J However, the RA cabinets had the same power distribution box. The RA driveM units had huge power supplies and electronics that drove the 1/3hp motors andmN the capacitors required to get those beasts started. The fans were 110v AC butM either 50 or 60hz.  So my *guess* is that the power conditioner in the bottomiO would actually convert 220 into 110 and the rest of the cabinet worked off 110.o  H One would have to look into the 6000 cabinet. I *suspect* that a similarK arrangement would exist that would convert 3 phase into single phase 110 ono perhaps 2 or 3 "buses".   L The advantage of 3 phase power is that it allows for increased power feed atN lower amperage (hence smaller conductors and fuses). Also, the higher voltagesG also help to reduce power spikes once transformed down to the 12/5 VDC.   A (a 10vdc spike at 247 volts is 4%. same spike at 110 volts is 9%)m   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.512 ************************