1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 15 Sep 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 513       Contents:0 Alphaserver 1200 / Digital Server 5305 & OpenVMSA Re: Another MIME utility problem - It has been built against V7.2 ' Re: COPY bug with remote task as input. ' Re: COPY bug with remote task as input.  cURL on VMS  Re: DEC PWS RAM & FA: Many DEC Books and Manuals on eBay Re: Freeware CD in the UK? Re: Freeware CD in the UK?# Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.  Re: Future unfolds' Jr. Programmer needed, Cobol necessary. - MySQL 4.1.4a-gamma available for AXP and IA64 + OpenVMS 8.2 External Fieldtest Registration / RE: OpenVMS 8.2 External Fieldtest Registration  Re: OT: IVAN and New Orleans Re: OT: IVAN and New Orleans" Rack mount Kit for BS350 and BA356& Re: Rack mount Kit for BS350 and BA356& Re: Rack mount Kit for BS350 and BA356- Recommendations for secure terminal emulation 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. < Storageworks shelves and drives for hobbyist in Chicago area Re: VAX Question (Hardware)  Re: VAX Question (Hardware)  RE: VAX Question (Hardware)  RE: VAX Question (Hardware)  [OT]: Turnabout is fair-play  Re: [OT]: Turnabout is fair-play  Re: [OT]: Turnabout is fair-play  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:19:18 +0200  From: Lars <lars@post.cz> 9 Subject: Alphaserver 1200 / Digital Server 5305 & OpenVMS 0 Message-ID: <ci9tis$kib$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>  = Will it work? I hope it should, but if somebody has any real   experiences, please share...   Thanks,  Lars   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:22:31 -0400 . From: "Paul" <paul_dot_mosteika_at_hp_dot_com>J Subject: Re: Another MIME utility problem - It has been built against V7.2, Message-ID: <41485f15$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Hi,   L When I generate a new version of MIME it is built against OpenVMS V7.2. ThisJ is the original version of OpenVMS when MIME was first introduced. This isJ purposely done so it can be readily available to all users and in spite ofG the current support philosophy of : the current OpenVMS version and one E prior. This also lends itself to supporting only one version of MIME.   D Since MIME ships (non-licensed) with the current licensed version ofF OpenVMS, and since these remedial MIME versions were made available toE support personnel, I guess I haven't thought about an FTP or WEB site L lately. I surely can look into this. Although the last time that I did, they. didn't want my files in BACKUP saveset format.  H As far as freeware, I wouldn't think (for reasons previously mentioned),G that this is a viable source. Also, I remember there was a problem with F available space when I asked about some programs that were on previous5 versions of freeware, then dropped on later versions.   H If MIME cannot be acquired easily through the normal support channels, I will make it available.     ,                                     Regards,  (                                     Paul  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:41473E48.31D9BE21@teksavvy.com...
 > Paul wrote: J > > Any MIME defects were fixed, checked in, and kits were created for allL > > platforms. I'm sorry if they haven't made there way out for distribution due K > > to cost contraints, version control, or simply VAX versions of OpenVMS.  > J >  What is so difficult about compiling with on VAX VMS 7.2 with the rightJ > linker option to allow it to work with any shareabel image versions, and thenL > putting it on some ftp web site for download ? Put some caveat that it was not , > tested on versions other than <version X>.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:22:19 +0200 % From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> 0 Subject: Re: COPY bug with remote task as input.. Message-ID: <ci8pmp$980$1@info.service.rug.nl>  @ "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@nospam.hp.com> wrote in message =$ news:4146f8f6@usenet01.boi.hp.com... >=202 > "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> wrote in message* > news:ci6f5r$nlo$1@info.service.rug.nl... > ... H > >However, the COPY DAQ_DATA_UNI X.X command complains that it cannot = open > the input C > >file "DISK$1:[USER].". DISK$1:[USER] happens to be the default =  drectory of  > the user. " > >COPY /FTP has the same problem. >=20- > >I think this is a bug in the COPY command.   > >Or has somebody another idea? >=20F > Check for logical name definitions. That is usual footprint of this. >=20 > Best, Gorazd   I wrote:  H > we have a logical DAQ_DATA_UNI defined as KVIE11::"task=3DEVENTS_UNI".  ( What other logical name comes into play?  
 I also wrote:   ; > The DUMP DAQ_DATA_UNI command shows the data as expected. E > The CONVERT DAQ_DATA_UNI X.X command reads and writes the data as = 	 expected. > > The TYPE DAQ_DATA_UNI command displays the data as expected.  F Do you mean that COPY handles logical name translations different from CONVERT, TYPE, DUMP, etc.?   F.Z.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:17:09 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 0 Subject: Re: COPY bug with remote task as input.3 Message-ID: <pO_1d.10735$H85.1647@news.cpqcorp.net>   V In article <ci6f5r$nlo$1@info.service.rug.nl>, "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> writes:  B   Details on how to perform task-to-task without using the classicC   TYPE hackery are shown in the Ask The Wizard area, in topics such %   as (5409), (159) (798), and (1910).   + :We run OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-1 with DECnet IV. H :On a remote (VAX-ELN) node we have a task running which provides data = :via DECnet.C :On the OpenVMS system, we have a logical DAQ_DATA_UNI defined as =  :KVIE11::"task=3DEVENTS_UNI". : :The DUMP DAQ_DATA_UNI command shows the data as expected.D :The CONVERT DAQ_DATA_UNI X.X command reads and writes the data as =
 :expected.= :The TYPE DAQ_DATA_UNI command displays the data as expected.  : I :However, the COPY DAQ_DATA_UNI X.X command complains that it cannot open " :the input file "DISK$1:[USER].".      Exact error message, please?     Is it:  6 %COPY-E-OPENIN, error opening DISK$1:[USER].; as input -RMS-E-FNF, file not found  > :DISK$1:[USER] happens to be the default drectory of the user.  :COPY /FTP has the same problem. : + :I think this is a bug in the COPY command.  :Or has somebody another idea?  C   First, please show me the statement in the OpenVMS manuals or the D   SPD where this particular construction is supported or documented.B   (AFAIK, this is not a supported operation for COPY or COPY/FTP.)  F   COPY must acquires transfer-related information and defaulting basedE   on the input source.  The other commands cited do not require that.   1 :But it would be nice if this bug could be fixed.   C   There are ECOs out for V7.3-1.  Do you have them loaded.  (Again, 1   I am not convinced that this is a bug in COPY.)   C   Please replicate this with an OpenVMS client task and using COPY, G   or -- better -- using DECnet task-to-task communications as described G   above, as a start, and please provide the procedures and the messages 
   received.     F   And, as mentioned, I expect this could easily be a limitation of theF   way COPY works with its source file specification processing and its   filename defaulting.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:18:08 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: cURL on VMS( Message-ID: <opsedl8ig8zgicya@hyrrokkin>  < Are there any installation guidelines.  This is on 7.3 using Openssl 0.9.6a.      FREJA> run CURL.EXE_OPENSSL C %IMGACT-F-SYMVECMIS, shareable image's symbol vector table mismatch 7 -IMGACT-F-FIXUPERR, error when CURL referenced DECC$SHR   G It would appear I need a newer C lib.  I would have thought it backward  compatible.   I FREJA> pipe anal/image sys$library:Decc$SHR.EXE|sear sys$pipe "image nam=  e"/win=3D(0,5)'                  image name: "DECC$SHR" 4                  image file identification: "V7.3-0"C                  image file build identification: "X913-0060000000" 8                  link date/time: 23-MAR-2001 13:10:53.56   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:37:28 -0400 & From: Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com> Subject: Re: DEC PWS RAM8 Message-ID: <1095258946.BHSfmugpvWwRvisAPOtJHw@teranews>   Steven, K         I don't see this crash in any of our knowledge bases.  Email me the E complete CLUE CRASH and CUE STACK info and I'll look a little deeper.    sms@antinode.org wrote:   F >    Once upon a time ("Date: 8 Jun 2004 05:45:30 -0700"), after I had7 > mentioned having 1.5GB in my PWS 500a[u] (old style):  > 4 > From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb) >  >> Check your specs, my friend. 1 >> Don't be fooled by what you can cram in there. I >> That last half a gig won't do you any good unless you're running Tru64  >> or (Ack!) NT-* >> PW433au + OpenVMS = 1GB maximum memory. > I >    As it happens, I recently put the PWS to work on a CPU-intensive job J > (Zip-compressing a CD-ROM image), and found that it would quite reliablyE > crash part way through with a complaint like "INVEXCEPTN, Exception I > while above ASTDEL".  Removing 512MB, so that the total is 1024MB seems  > to fix the problem.  > J >    Is this another well known problem?  Is anyone else out there runningE > an over-stuffed PWS?  Is anyone interested in any ANAL /CRASH data? 6 > (You can have the whole SYSDUMP.DMP, if you'd like.) > I >    As usual, VMS V7.3-1 with many recent ECOs, including VMS731_CLUSTER J > V1.0, VMS731_F11X V3.0, VMS731_PTHREAD V4.0, VMS731_RMS V5.0, VMS731_SYSE > V7.0, VMS731_UPDATE V4.0, and VMS731_XFC V3.0.  I mention this last < > because it seems to get mentioned in passing (or failing): >  > System crash information > ------------------------# > System State at Time of Exception # > ---------------------------------  > Exception Frame: > ----------------! >         R2  = 00000000.00000000 ! >         R3  = FFFFFFFF.815C5E50 ! >         R4  = 00000000.00049741 ! >         R5  = 00000000.00000040 4 >         R6  = FFFFFFFF.82D33E10  SYS$XFCACHE+34010! >         R7  = 00000000.00000689 4 >         PC  = FFFFFFFF.8030D588  SYS$XFCACHE+03588! >         PS  = 20000000.00000801  > > >          FFFFFFFF.8030D578:     BEQ             R20,#X00000EA >          FFFFFFFF.8030D57C:     LDQ             R19,#X0018(R18) > >          FFFFFFFF.8030D580:     ZAPNOT          R26,#X0F,R16= >          FFFFFFFF.8030D584:     SUBQ            R23,R16,R16 A >    PC => FFFFFFFF.8030D588:     LDQ             R22,#X0018(R16) = >          FFFFFFFF.8030D58C:     XOR             R19,R22,R22 > >          FFFFFFFF.8030D590:     BNE             R22,#X000003A >          FFFFFFFF.8030D594:     LDL             R21,#X0050(R16) = >          FFFFFFFF.8030D598:     XOR             R17,R21,R21  > 
 >    PS =>= >          MBZ SPAL      MBZ    IPL VMM MBZ CURMOD INT PRVMOD ; >          0   20   00000000000 08  0   0   KERN   0   EXEC  >  >  > Signal Array > ------------ >         Length = 00000005  >         Type   = 0000000C $ >         Arg    = 00000000.00000000$ >         Arg    = FFFFFFFF.FFFFFFAC7 >         Arg    = FFFFFFFF.8030D588  SYS$XFCACHE+03588 $ >         Arg    = 20000000.00000801 >  > = > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual = > address=FFFFFFFFFFFF FFAC, PC=FFFFFFFF8030D588, PS=00000801    --  B Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley, Waverly, NYB       - jilly@clarityconnect.com         http://www.jilly.baka.comE       - mark.jilson@hp.com               http://www.hp.com/go/openvms ;       - http://www.jilsonracing.com      Go Fast, Turn Left C       - http://www.chemungspeedrome.com  Door Handle to Door Handle    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Sep 2004 06:01:13 GMT' From: swmoretp@aol.comnospam (SWMORETP) / Subject: FA: Many DEC Books and Manuals on eBay : Message-ID: <20040915020113.24216.00000660@mb-m10.aol.com>  O We have many Digital Equipment Corporation books and manuals for auction and as : Buy It Now items in our eBay store with more to be listed.   AUCTIONS: (ending September 21) 
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 5121272797: Digital's Telecommunications/Networks Buyer's Guide, 1990    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:49:51 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> # Subject: Re: Freeware CD in the UK? 8 Message-ID: <4phgk05ktc72afmlgobuf866tv7da9g2uh@4ax.com>  H On 14 Sep 2004 13:05:04 -0700, x+vmslpd@cobb.uk.net (Graham Cobb) wrote:  D >Is there anyone in the UK who could send me a copy of the latest HPF >OpenVMS Freeware CD?  Or someone in the Oxford area who could lend me >one?  > D >I have got VMS running on the Simh emulator, with the hobbyist CD. B >But I don't have a fast enough network connection to download the >freeware from HP. >   >Thanks in advance for any help. >  >Graham Cobb   Graham,   O I'm in the UK on Friday send me your postal address by email & I'll pop a spare . freeware CD (actually it's 2 CDs) in the post.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:39:40 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) # Subject: Re: Freeware CD in the UK? 3 Message-ID: <w7%1d.10739$H85.3183@news.cpqcorp.net>   \ In article <4phgk05ktc72afmlgobuf866tv7da9g2uh@4ax.com>, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:I :On 14 Sep 2004 13:05:04 -0700, x+vmslpd@cobb.uk.net (Graham Cobb) wrote:  : E :>Is there anyone in the UK who could send me a copy of the latest HP G :>OpenVMS Freeware CD?  Or someone in the Oxford area who could lend me  :>one? :>E :>I have got VMS running on the Simh emulator, with the hobbyist CD.  C :>But I don't have a fast enough network connection to download the  :>freeware from HP.   P :I'm in the UK on Friday send me your postal address by email & I'll pop a spare/ :freeware CD (actually it's 2 CDs) in the post.     H   I can toss a couple of these in my travel bag for the London TechnicalG   Update event next month, if you are planning to stop by and want one.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:36:40 -0600 + From: John Nebel <john.nebel_vms@csdco.com> , Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.( Message-ID: <41486188.7090500@csdco.com>   Kerry,  G Digital was bought with its own money which is a problem with money in  	 the bank.   I Apple looks like that could happen to them, maybe by Apple records which   might not be so bad.   WAG, YMMV, etc   John   Main, Kerry wrote:   >>-----Original Message-----* >>From: CJT [mailto:abujlehc@prodigy.net] " >>Sent: September 14, 2004 5:22 PM >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com - >>Subject: Re: From Sun: HP-UX has no future.  >> >>Bob Ceculski wrote:  >> >>= >>>fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in message   >>; >>news:<f30679fb.0409140422.7bda23de@posting.google.com>...  >>? >>>>Furthermore Sun offers a variety of products and services,   >>
 >>through the  >>G >>>>HP Away program, that make it easy for HP customers to migrate to a ( >>>>Sun platform with an assured future. >>>  >>> @ >>>How does sun offer an assured future?  They could go bankrupt >>>at any minute!  >>: >>With all those billions in cash?  How could that happen? >> >  > H > Yeah right .. Like when Digital had $3B in the bank when Compaq bought > it?  > G > I still remember the conversation "yeay right, Digital has $3B in the > > bank, who is big enough to buy us .. It will never happen.." > D > Mergers and acquisitions are all paper money and stocks and future > speculation... >  >  > :-)  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax: 613-591-4477  > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT)  > & > "OpenVMS has always had integrity ..  > Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:00:09 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Future unfolds , Message-ID: <4147F677.186D12EA@teksavvy.com>   mist dragon wrote:D > been marginalized and relying anything at all on itanium was a big
 > mistake.  N While we can predict the demise of IA64, it hasn't actually happened yet. LetsF face it, it is still possible that IA64 will last until 2010. But yes,N everyone knows that IA64 is a mistake and it never panned out, Intel engineersH are on record saying this, Digital/Alpha engineers had all the technicalN arguments saying it. And yes, that 8086 toy controller has come a long way andN will ensure that IA64 remains a marginalised, proprietary niche chip with everG decreasing edge over competing commodity chips. Just like VMS has had a N decreasing edge over competing operating systems as the later have matured andN started to gain management and clustering capabilities that fit the needs of a large market segment.   E > for it - have you heard of new, innovative software on vms lately ? G > Look at this newsgroup for example, posting rate has been cut to half  > in a year   M You got it right: no new software on VMS. The VMS engineerts have been tasked M to do the unwanted port to IA64 and meanwhile, VMS lags in features and isn't N catching up. One of the biggest problems is the TCPIP stack which started from$ behind and is even worse behind now.  L And when there are no improvements for VMS that really benefit users (exceptT for Guy Peleg,s few goodies), then there isn't much technical stuff to be discussed.  G > In x86 world itanium doesnt stand a change no matter what intel says. E > Nor does sun sparc, pa-risc, power, mips etc. The inevitable end to ? > them is nearer than they dare to say. x86 compatibility is so C > important that even the new technologies like transmeta's systems 
 > embrace it.   N I think that Power remains viable, both with IBM and Apple. Sparc is viable inN the short/medium term, more so than IA64, simply due to its installed base andN available software.  8086 competibility will soon start to come into play withM Linux with binaries for much software available on 8086 only. This is why Sun K is scambling to have its Solaris back on 8086 with some linux compatibility ( modules, as well as open source solaris.  - > Doesnt anyone invent anything new anymore ?   P No. HP took the copyright on "invent" so nobody is allowed to invent anymore :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Sep 2004 04:54:15 -0700, From: sblake@fhp-mfg.com (FHP Manufacturing)0 Subject: Jr. Programmer needed, Cobol necessary.= Message-ID: <bd5ca5c0.0409150354.76cad215@posting.google.com>    Jr. Programmer Needed:  ?     My company is currently looking for a Cobol/C programmer on C OpenVMS however, we are in the process of converting to Alpha. Must C have RMS knowledge and DCL. C+, MySQL, crystal reports a plus. Some @ operator duties but most of that will be gone after the new hire automates the backups.  E     The great news is we already have all coding just need someone to  keepB it running and adding to it. The company is Manufacturing based in Sunny E South Florida (Fort Lauderdale). The code is already stable and we do  wantD to add new parts to it like HTML reports (Using OSU web server). The personB will get the advantage of being in Cobol/C and new goodies (HTML).  F     Feel free to reply to my work address of sblake-at-fhp-mfg-dot-com . MS7 word or Wordperfect copies of your resume are welcomed.        Sandra Blake     FHP Manufacturing     P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:25:30 +0200 1 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?= 6 Subject: MySQL 4.1.4a-gamma available for AXP and IA642 Message-ID: <ci9tuh$8ru$1@news-reader2.wanadoo.fr>  - MySQL 4.1.4a-gamma is the latest 4.1 version.   . The kits for AXP and IA64 can be download from, http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/    
 Jean-Franois    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:08:46 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)4 Subject: OpenVMS 8.2 External Fieldtest Registration1 Message-ID: <newscache$3u234i$uds1$1@news.sil.at>   M It seems, one needs a password to enter the registration data for the VMS 8.2 G fieldtest (where the registration should then give you the password for 
 the kits).   So, it seems like a Catch22.K Or is the registration period over and they are not accepting new testers ?  How did YOU register ?   TIA    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:20:15 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 8 Subject: RE: OpenVMS 8.2 External Fieldtest Registration9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIAELHDMAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- > >From: Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER [mailto:peter@langstoeger.at], >Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:09 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com5 >Subject: OpenVMS 8.2 External Fieldtest Registration  >  > B >It seems, one needs a password to enter the registration data for >the VMS 8.2H >fieldtest (where the registration should then give you the password for >the kits).  >  >So, it seems like a Catch22. L >Or is the registration period over and they are not accepting new testers ? >How did YOU register ?   G We didn't register, the kit just showed up one day, courtesy of DSPP, I  think.   >  >TIA >  >--  >Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER& >Network and OpenVMS system specialist >E-mail  peter@langstoeger.at G >A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:41:21 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) % Subject: Re: OT: IVAN and New Orleans 4 Message-ID: <5EX1d.10707$DO4.10310@news.cpqcorp.net>  - In article <4147643D.F0929D7C@teksavvy.com>,  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  ..M >Well, New Orleans is already under state of evacuation, some 24 hours before N >hurricane winds are expected to start, about 36 hours before the centre wouldI >make landfall. The airport will close tonight. "Vertical evacuation" was J >mentioned (staying a few floors above ground to avoid drowning should theE >waters rise above the dams and flood the "bowl" that is New Orleans.   G New Oreleans is below sea level.  It is kept dry by the constant use of G a number of large pumps.  These pumps can't keep up with heavy rain for J more that a few hours.  Thus the city frequetly experiences minor fooding.  G According to TV reports this moring, it is possible that Ivan could put B New Orleans under as much as 18-24 feet -- yes, FEET! -- of water.  F According to another report I've seen, there is a signifiant number ofD people in New Orleans who do not have cars, money or other means to  evacuate.      --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:30:14 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: OT: IVAN and New Orleans , Message-ID: <WMidnbcYXPCiydXcRVn-hQ@igs.net>   Charlie Hammond wrote:. > In article <4147643D.F0929D7C@teksavvy.com>,1 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  > ..B >> Well, New Orleans is already under state of evacuation, some 24E >> hours before hurricane winds are expected to start, about 36 hours @ >> before the centre would make landfall. The airport will closeE >> tonight. "Vertical evacuation" was mentioned (staying a few floors G >> above ground to avoid drowning should the waters rise above the dams , >> and flood the "bowl" that is New Orleans. > F > New Oreleans is below sea level.  It is kept dry by the constant use > ofE > a number of large pumps.  These pumps can't keep up with heavy rain G > for more that a few hours.  Thus the city frequetly experiences minor 
 > fooding. > E > According to TV reports this moring, it is possible that Ivan could H > put New Orleans under as much as 18-24 feet -- yes, FEET! -- of water. > H > According to another report I've seen, there is a signifiant number ofE > people in New Orleans who do not have cars, money or other means to  > evacuate.     H And then there is the decontamination of the city and computer rooms andG offices after the fact (assuming the building are still standing). Some J reports suggest that there will be extensive chemical contamination of anyK flood waters due to contaminated sediment in the Mississippi and delta area % being stirred up in large quantities.   C The case for OpenVMS DT clusters grows, but of course HP won't take D advantage of the advertising opportunity - not now, nor each year asK tornados & hurricanes hit like clockwork throughout the SE and mid-west US, D nor advertise their virtues on the west coast in California, Oregon,L Washington, or Nevada-by-the-Sea for when "The Big One" hits. Hopefully whenK it does hit, only carly(tm)'s, Winkler's, and the HP marketing /advertising + department offices will slide into the sea.   L I think it is this month's issue of National Geographic magazine which makesI the case of global warming's impact on costal areas quite clear. And it's ? hard to predict how any change in coastal area temepeatures wil > change/modify the frquency and intensity of tornado formation.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Sep 2004 03:14:03 -07005 From: Hiroyuki_Tanaka4@excite.co.jp (Hiroyuki Tanaka) + Subject: Rack mount Kit for BS350 and BA356 = Message-ID: <68cfa44d.0409150214.1cf6f219@posting.google.com>    Hello VMS Users,  C I have several BA350 and BA356 floor standing storage towers that I B would like to rack mount to save some space, but I cannot find any# information about the part numbers?   D Does any one know the part numbers to allow the rack mounting of the BA350 and BA356?   Thanks   Tanaka   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:36:39 -0400 # From: "R P" <petersra@sympatico.ca> / Subject: Re: Rack mount Kit for BS350 and BA356 9 Message-ID: <IzX1d.5394$lb5.713642@news20.bellglobal.com>   B "Hiroyuki Tanaka" <Hiroyuki_Tanaka4@excite.co.jp> wrote in message7 news:68cfa44d.0409150214.1cf6f219@posting.google.com...  > Hello VMS Users, > E > I have several BA350 and BA356 floor standing storage towers that I D > would like to rack mount to save some space, but I cannot find any% > information about the part numbers?  > F > Does any one know the part numbers to allow the rack mounting of the > BA350 and BA356? >  > Thanks >  > Tanaka  K The part number for the rackmounting kit for a BA350-SB shelf in a standard  19" cabinet is BA35X-RB    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:38:39 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> / Subject: Re: Rack mount Kit for BS350 and BA356 3 Message-ID: <41487E1F.7986FED7@applied-synergy.com>    Hiroyuki Tanaka wrote: >  > Hello VMS Users, > E > I have several BA350 and BA356 floor standing storage towers that I D > would like to rack mount to save some space, but I cannot find any% > information about the part numbers?  > F > Does any one know the part numbers to allow the rack mounting of the > BA350 and BA356?   BA35X-RB (RETMA) BA35X-RD (Metric)   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:49:30 +0100 / From: "O-Dzin Tridral" <TridralO@Cardiff.ac.uk> 6 Subject: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation, Message-ID: <s1482c6d.006@MAINCF1P.cf.ac.uk>  L We would like to find a terminal emulator that is capable of connecting to =H VMS via using SSH and running full-screen applications (e.g. CODA, TPU). =20 K I've had a look at PuTty, for example, and connecting using Telnet allows = : me to run full-screen applications, but using SSH doesn't. =20  I'd appreciate any advice. =20 	 '=F6-Dzin    --G '=F6-Dzin Tridral, Project Team Leader, Business Information Systems, = ( Information Services, Cardiff University$ +44(0)29 20876160, tridralo@cf.ac.ukJ ''OpenVMS uptimes can be measured in years. This is certainly preferable =J to a culture of rebooting and disruption that plague other platforms due =I to viruses, Trojans, denial-of-service attacks, and endless patching of = 
 systems.''6 -- Joseph Stenz, Albert Einstein Healthcare Network=20; -- http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/erp/article.php/3406641    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Sep 2004 11:00:37 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> : Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation7 Message-ID: <Xns956584743D8A8dcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>   ' %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, O-Dzin Tridral wrote in $ news:s1482c6d.006@MAINCF1P.cf.ac.uk   > > We would like to find a terminal emulator that is capable ofF > connecting to VMS via using SSH and running full-screen applications > (e.g. CODA, TPU).  >   D > I've had a look at PuTty, for example, and connecting using TelnetD > allows me to run full-screen applications, but using SSH doesn't.  >    > I'd appreciate any advice.  I I've never had any problem using PuTTY's SSH features to run things like  F TPU, have you checked that the terminal type is getting set correctly?       Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:25:37 +0000 (UTC)h% From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org>e: Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation6 Message-ID: <slrnckg9nv.rsp.usenet@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>  ; In article <s1482c6d.006@MAINCF1P.cf.ac.uk>, O-Dzin Tridral  <TridralO@Cardiff.ac.uk> wrote:M> > We would like to find a terminal emulator that is capable ofF > connecting to VMS via using SSH and running full-screen applications > (e.g. CODA, TPU).l  ? Under what OS? If it's Windows, I'd highly recommend SecureCRT.M  4 http://www.vandyke.com/products/securecrt/index.html  E USD $99 for a single copy but goes down in volume -- USD $85/copy forV 10+, and so forth.   Pricing information is at:  3 https://secure.vandyke.com/cgi-bin/order.php?PID=30m  H I've been a satisfied customers of theirs for the CRT product first thenG SecureCRT, for better part of 10 years now. I've never worked for them, I have no business relationship with them, and am certainly not a shill. ;)l  H It supports serial, ssh, telnet... and has very good vt220 emulation (asB far as I can tell), supports the VT keys, keymapping, and whatnot.  E Starting with version 4.1, it can also be entirely self-contained and D runs off an USB key-drive which is handy if you need to do some techA support on an user's Windows box that may or may not already have 
 SecureCRT.  > The one time I ran into a bug with the window sizing code, the? developers answered the support email and had only a very briefIH discussion before they pinpointed the bug and sent me a special patch...? all within a day or so. Patch did indeed fix the issue, and wasi" integrated withi the next release.  A They provide a time-limited (30 days) but full-feature evaluations@ download via a link off that page. No registration or sales call	 required.   G They also provide a change list of fixed bugs and new features for each-1 version on the web page and with the application.-  @ Therefore, I strongly believe that between their feature set andH responsiveness, there's no better overall solution for ssh/telnet/serialE from Windows, if you're unfortunate enough to be on that platform. :)o  % Color me impressed with this product.l  G PuTTy is nice, although I haven't used it to connect to VMS systems, so-? I'm less sure about VT emulation and keys. Perhaps someone more< knowledgeable might speak up.>   -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:50:28 +0200g+ From: Bill Bennett <bennett@mpgars.desy.de> : Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation. Message-ID: <414848A4.255BD261@mpgars.desy.de>  G Kermit-95 has a very good VTxxx emulation and built-in SSH client; haveb" a look at www.columbia.edu/kermit/   O-Dzin Tridral wrote:  >  > We would like to find a terminal emulator that is capable of connecting to VMS via using SSH and running full-screen applications (e.g. CODA, TPU).o >  > I've had a look at PuTty, for example, and connecting using Telnet allows me to run full-screen applications, but using SSH doesn't. >  > I'd appreciate any advice. > 	 > '-Dzint >  > --n > '-Dzin Tridral, Project Team Leader, Business Information Systems, Information Services, Cardiff University& > +44(0)29 20876160, tridralo@cf.ac.uk > ''OpenVMS uptimes can be measured in years. This is certainly preferable to a culture of rebooting and disruption that plague other platforms due to viruses, Trojans, denial-of-service attacks, and endless patching of systems.''5 > -- Joseph Stenz, Albert Einstein Healthcare Networkg= > -- http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/erp/article.php/3406641    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:58:55 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>: Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation. Message-ID: <4148206F.27485.3949DB4@localhost>  . On 15 Sep 2004 at 11:49, O-Dzin Tridral wrote:> > We would like to find a terminal emulator that is capable ofF > connecting to VMS via using SSH and running full-screen applications > (e.g. CODA, TPU).   @ I use SecureCRT.  Works excellently for SSH, Telnet, and serial.  / Free limited-life download from www.vandyke.comi  E If you buy a bunch of copies, mention Quayle Consulting, since I'm a s> reseller...  [Hey, CHARON-VAX isn't the only thing I do  :-) ]  
 --Stan Quaylet Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USAc0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:17:47 -0700n3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>t: Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation. Message-ID: <41485D1B.9080801@Flying-Disk.com>   O-Dzin Tridral wrote:w; > We would like to find a terminal emulator that is capablen=  > of connecting to VMS via using SSH and running full-screenR!  > applications (e.g. CODA, TPU).c  ; If you are running Windows, I strongly recommend Kermit-95.0? Both my clients and I use Kermit-95 with SSH to run full-screenoB applications over the net on a VMS system.   For more information,2 see their web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit   Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:31:30 -0700." From: "Joe Silagi" <joesi@wrq.com>: Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulationD Message-ID: <Ck32d.7388$NC6.4922@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>   <plug>  I Take a look at WRQs Reflection terminal emulator.   Supports VT52 throught@ VT5xx, telnet, SSH (1 and 2), integrated VBA, plus lots more....   Full tech spec:r;  http://www.wrq.com/products/reflection/win/ruov/specs.html-  Download an eval from this link:I http://www.wrq.com/servlets/com.WRQ.LC.DisplayProfileLC?reg=ESD-RUO&id=naC   Security  2   a..  Support for Kerberos KDC's using TCP or UDP    b.. SSL/TLS Telnet encryption:J     a.. Integrated SSL 3.0 and TLS 1.0 Telnet encryption through Microsoft security APIs1    c.. Reflection OpenSSH Client:5     a.. Connections to SSH1 and SSH2 protocol servers ?     b.. Port forwarding for TCP/IP ports through secure channeln7     c.. Password, user key, and Kerberos authentication C     d.. Key generation and conversion (RSA-1, RSA, and DSA) utilitya,     e.. scp and sftp file transfer utilities#     f.. Standard SSH configurationsa!   d.. Reflection Kerberos Client:      a.. Secure authenticationd?     b.. Datastream encryption (DES and 3DES) for Telnet and FTPn.     c.. Supports ticket forwarding and renewal@     d.. Compatible with Microsoft and Leash32 credentials caches(     e.. Standard Kerberos configurations Regards,  
 Joe Silagi	 WRQ, Inc.t   </plug>l        : "O-Dzin Tridral" <TridralO@Cardiff.ac.uk> wrote in message& news:s1482c6d.006@MAINCF1P.cf.ac.uk...J We would like to find a terminal emulator that is capable of connecting toH VMS via using SSH and running full-screen applications (e.g. CODA, TPU).  L I've had a look at PuTty, for example, and connecting using Telnet allows me7 to run full-screen applications, but using SSH doesn't.a   I'd appreciate any advice.   '-Dzino   --C '-Dzin Tridral, Project Team Leader, Business Information Systems,p( Information Services, Cardiff University$ +44(0)29 20876160, tridralo@cf.ac.ukK ''OpenVMS uptimes can be measured in years. This is certainly preferable to H a culture of rebooting and disruption that plague other platforms due toD viruses, Trojans, denial-of-service attacks, and endless patching of
 systems.''3 -- Joseph Stenz, Albert Einstein Healthcare Networkr; -- http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/erp/article.php/3406641         begin 666 new_transparent_sm.gif= M1TE&.#EA%P`(`*('`* 1$?CN[M:9F>2[N[1$1,^(B)D``/___R'Y! $```<` = M+ `````7``@```-36'4G<D.I(4IHZRAC%B&:\1&5\0!&$(@&``1?.#!0-[2%n= MT)EB7'"<&8!0&!(-MP@']"L,!I<?44<`') '@BCDA#8X@E7G.KLQ@6,Q0_N@t
 'N=_P=P(`.P``w `s end    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:06:41 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGF Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.0 Message-ID: <00A37E7B.0B6322CA@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <1ca82fc6.0409141753.89da658@posting.google.com>, dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) writes:Y >VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A37DEE.5C28515E@SendSpamHere.ORG>...e
 >{...snip...}0M >> I do.  The files do transfer.  I still don't see how it sends RUN ALPHALK2 / >> when the reflection setup says RUN VAXLINK2.h5 >Nor do I, what is the image name of your executable? 2 >Do you have any symbols or logicals set for this?  H NO!  This "software" has been in use for only a few days to try to debugB a customer's issue in their environment where they are using this.      J >I use vaxlink2 on alphas, and it was built as an alpha image vaxlink2.exeA >I also change the client startup command to VAXLINK2, and define < >a global symbol VAXLINK2=="$DIR:VAXLINK2.EXE at the vms end  I I wouldn't clutter my OpenVMS with something that will be removed just asl0 soon as I can figure out this interaction issue.     --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.i -- j, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMC   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:15:10 GMTo" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGF Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.0 Message-ID: <00A37E7C.3A4899EA@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <0_mdnSpSZKksOtrcRVn-tg@adelphia.com>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes:l! >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: 
 >{...snip...}l > F >It looks like something internal to Reflections is changing the name C >when it detects Alpha VMS.  The documentation only references the  ; >VAXLINK2 name, but it does mention an uploadvx.rbs script.p  B Weird.  But then how can I make it run something different?  LIke C a command procedure (ie. VAXLINK2.COM or ALPHALK2 or CONFUSING-THE-  SHIT-OUT-OF-ME.COM)?    K >> My $IMGACT intercept says that it is the ALPHALK2.EXE in the non-privied  >> account's home directory. > 3 >This also applies to VAXLINK.EXE and VAXLINK2.EXE.-  F Huh?  VAXLINK2.EXE, which I put on the alpha at first, is a VAX nativeF image.  $IMGACT would balk at it.  I deleted it and left only one copyD of ALPHALK2.EXE on my machine in a SPECIAL NON-PRIVIED test account!    J >Unless you put the ALPHALK2.EXE in a fixed directory and point a logical I >name ALPHALK2 to it, every time someone does a file transfer from a new  H >default directory, the terminal emulator will create a new copy of the E >ALPHALK2.EXE program in that directory.  It may also leave wrq*.mar - >files around. >-H >And after a few months you may find copies of them all over the disks, G >in every directory that the user has write access to.  And if they do 9I >not have write access to a directory, they will not be able to transfer  $ >files, and will not understand why. >0H >I strongly recommend that you designate a system wide location to keep H >the transfer program on, and define a system wide logical name to find C >it.  And also set a symbol in sylogin.com to execute the transfer   >program as a foreign command.  D After a few more days I intend to ripe this crap off of my machines.C There is only one person -- typically -- that logs into my machines0C and that person -- me -- would rather have his balls mangled in the5/ food processor than use a PeeCee to access VMS!F     -- 0< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.F -- 0, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:31:03 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGF Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.0 Message-ID: <00A37E7E.72B0074A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <4147B15E.D38B65CA@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:" >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> 0 >> OK... >>  I >> This Reflection thing sends a command to the VMS session: RUN ALPHALK2  >> @I >> I want to experiment and define a logical and then run the program.  IpG >> have created a ALPHALK2.COM file with $ DEFINE... and $ RUN ALPHALK2o >> nH >> I've looked all throughout this Reflection Weedoze bastardized PeeCeeH >> shite setup toilet and can only find a reference to RUN VAXLINK2.  IsG >> there a translation that is automatically applied to change VAXLI toFG >> ALPHA?  It seems to ignore when I change the command to @ALPHALK2 or. >> @VAXLINK2 regardless. >> hH >> Is it any wonder I've been shortening my work time and lengthening my >> Guinness time.s >> uE >> Can anybody here what works with this horked up shite lend a hand?  >1D >O.k. I kinda got lost re-reading this thread. Let's go through this >step-by-step and verify:M >t? >While logged into VMS at the DCL prompt, select in reflection:  >uI >File -> Transfer -> the Setup button -> the WRQ tab (WRQ/Reflection must6I >be "highlighted" for the WRQ tab to appear - try the other protocols andr >witness the changes).  
 Thank you.  E File -> Transfer -> the Setup button -> takes me to a screen with theiH Protocol tab in the forefront.  When I select "To OpenVMS" and [View...]	 it says: 0   TransferDefaultProtocol = rcWRQD  WRQStartupCommand = RUN VAXLINK2 WRQHostSystem = rcVMSs WRQFrameSize = 512 WRQWindowSize = 2- WRQTransferLink = rc8BitLink7 ConnectionSetting = LineDelay 0 TransmitPacing XON/XOFF  ReadTabAsSpace = Truei InhibitHandshake = Trues InhibitDC2 = Truel HostTriggerCharacter = Chr$(0)  @ Your Tab, however, says the same in a Micro$oft litter box with 1 little selector arrows to changed these settings.M    H >I know how you "love" Micro$hit, but try to stay calm and deal with it.H >Many of your colleagues out here do it everyday just to survive. It can >be done - you can do it!   F I have been but, sheesh, the evening Guinness consumption is at an allE time high as a result.  I guess Micro$hit is good for the distillery, E winery and brewery businesses if all my colleagues are using it everyi day.   -- 9< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.k -- o, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! e -- mK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:32:56 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGF Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.0 Message-ID: <00A37E7E.B6055A56@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <4147B9C8.9D7CFC8@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:F" >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:3 >> <me> banging head again the concrete walls </me>  >nO >Have you considered setting up a login.com to fake the dollar sign, accept any J >command, then invoke the right image no matter what command the remote PC$ >thinks it has sent to the VMS box ?  H That's not the point.  IT IS running the right image and files are beingI transferred.  I simple do not know where the RUN ALPHALK2 comes from whene2 all of the PeeCee side of things say RUN VAXLINK2.   -- -< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.h --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! e -- gK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMh   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Sep 2004 12:33:58 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com>CF Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.6 Message-ID: <Xns9565943965E4dcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>  A %NEWS-I-NEWMSG,  wrote in news:00A37E7E.72B0074A@SendSpamHere.ORGl  > > In article <4147B15E.D38B65CA@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera& > <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:   E >>I know how you "love" Micro$hit, but try to stay calm and deal withoF >>it. Many of your colleagues out here do it everyday just to survive.! >>It can be done - you can do it!i  H > I have been but, sheesh, the evening Guinness consumption is at an allG > time high as a result.  I guess Micro$hit is good for the distillery,OG > winery and brewery businesses if all my colleagues are using it everyr > day.  9 It *could* be worse... Microsoft could start making beer.)     Doc. -- VG OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.eG http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:31:38 -0400.< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.+ Message-ID: <2qr5irF12999oU1@uni-berlin.de>r    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >...G > File -> Transfer -> the Setup button -> takes me to a screen with the-@ > Protocol tab in the forefront.  When I select "To OpenVMS" and > [View...] it says: >o! > TransferDefaultProtocol = rcWRQF" > WRQStartupCommand = RUN VAXLINK2 >...  " Like David, I'm getting lost here.  C When you look at the WRQ File Transfer settings you see the StartupbF Command is "RUN VAXLINK2" but when you try to transfer a file and then? look at your command line recall on VMS you see the string "RUN> ALPHAK2" - Correct?,  C If that is what you are seeing, try changing the Startup Command towA "!THIS IS GARBAGE" and try another transfer, then go back to yourd? command line recall and make sure the last command is "!THIS ISaF GARBAGE." If you still see "RUN ALPHAK2" in your command line then I'mH completely lost because I just tried the same thing on this PC and I see  "!THIS IS GARBAGE" in my buffer.  D Hold on one second. I was ready to hit send and decided to go changeE back my settings. Now I see that in the Protocol tab I now have a newaE line named "(Current Configuration)" and it was the one selected, not H the "To OpenVMS." I also remember that you said that when you got to theG Protocol tab you selected the "To OpenVMS" line before you hit View. If E you had to select the "To OpenVMS" line then that was not the one yougH were using by default. Follow David's steps again, but do not select "ToA OpenVMS" before hitting View, just hit View and see what it says.m   -- j Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.. Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXt www.weaverconsulting.car   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:05:00 -0700h" From: "Joe Silagi" <joesi@wrq.com>F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.C Message-ID: <_P32d.7390$NC6.200@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>   ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in messagea% news:4147B15E.D38B65CA@comcast.net...a# > VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:.  F > > Can anybody here what works with this horked up shite lend a hand? >IE > O.k. I kinda got lost re-reading this thread. Let's go through thisg > step-by-step and verify: >c@ > While logged into VMS at the DCL prompt, select in reflection: >iJ > File -> Transfer -> the Setup button -> the WRQ tab (WRQ/Reflection mustJ > be "highlighted" for the WRQ tab to appear - try the other protocols and > witness the changes).n > C > In the box marked "Startup command", it should say "RUN ALPHALK2"a >eJ > If that's what command recall pulls up, then that's what's being sent byG > Reflection. This is the command to start the host-side portion of thetD > file transfer. For Zmodem, you would need to set up an appropriate? > string, for example (something like "MCR VRZ -x" or similar).e >rI > To my knowledge (and some WRQ folks have been known to lurk on c.o.v.),n  I Sorry I missed the start of this thread...   David, and the other repliesh. have provided great information --- thank you!  I > Reflection has no way of knowing what's on the other end. Could be VMS,sF Reflection does not detect what the host system is.   It relies on theJ setting in File Transfer setup to know what kind of host, and what kind ofA string to transmit to start the host based file transfer program.m     Regards,   -joe   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:28:46 -0500 / From: Duncan Brown <brown_du@encompasserve.org>tE Subject: Storageworks shelves and drives for hobbyist in Chicago areas1 Message-ID: <1-Sdnau7MKJZ5tXcRVn-rw@megapath.net>e  H I've built up a SW-500 cabinet with scrounged and ebay parts, and now I E have a bunch of bits and pieces left over that I need to get rid of. ,G I'd gladly give them to a fellow VMS hobbyist in the Chicago-Milwaukee nC area, if you're willing to come pick them up...or at least meet me dD somewhere to get them.  It's a lot of weight to ship for stuff that @ isn't really worth anything, so I'd rather not ship it anywhere.  E I have 6 BA350 empty shelves with fans (one is missing its fans).  I cE have 2 odd rack brackets for those shelves, not the normal side-only  = brackets.      http://www.backglass.org/duncan/sw_bracket.jpg   G I have 5 RZ28-VA and RZ28B-VA 2GB drives.  I have 1 RZ28D-VW drive.  I e have 7 RZ26-VA drives.   When last seen, it all worked.  E I live in Grayslake, IL; I work in Northbrook, IL.  I'll expend some  ; effort to help meet somewhere convenient to give it to you.v   Duncan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:03:49 +0200 . From: Frank Themann <frankthemann@T-Online.de>$ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware)* Message-ID: <414867E5.57F4198@T-Online.de>   Hi,    Michael Moroney wrote: >  [...]T  D > power.  A house will almost never have 3 phase power, a commercialE > building/computer room where a 6000 would have been used would.  Itg  C I am from Germany, but I have been in the U.S for a while - regular F homes can have all three phases present, just as in Germany. Normally,A all three phases should run into the house, they get split at the-@ distribution / fuse box. Get an electrician to check it, and, if' possible, install a three phase outlet.=   [...]   I > the AC to DC there is no real reason 3 phase is really _needed_, but it$$ > was intended/designed for 3 phase.  A Be careful - a power supply can have a need for all three phases,6G because it lets you have much smaller capacitors. If you pass all three H phases through a rectifier, you would have a voltage maximum 360 times aH second, charging up the capacitor much quicker. Also, the voltage at theD rectifier doesnt drop to zero, because the phases have a 120 degree offset.c  3L > First, is your dryer outlet 3 or 4 prong (does it have a separate ground?)7 > I wouldn't do it at all if it is 3 prong (no ground).s > J > Second, what color code are the power wires (either black red blue whiteL > green, or brown black? ??? blue green)  The first 3 will likely go to lugs- > marked A B C or 1 2 3, they are the "hots".-  7 You would like to see this - its three phase power :-)s   Frank    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:38:08 GMTo# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)-$ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware)3 Message-ID: <46%1d.10738$H85.3621@news.cpqcorp.net>@  d In article <ETH1d.5$l1.887@news-west.eli.net>, "James T. Sprinkle" <oicmrsnakes@hotmail.com> writes:E :...VAX 6000 series machine to run using a Dryer outlet for power....r  F   You do realize that a VAX 6000 is comparatively huge (145cm H x 78cmG   W x 76cm D), excruitatingly slow (particularly the VAX 6000 processor I   modules that are cheap/free; 2.8 VUPS or so), exceedingly power-hungry,oG   a prodigious generator of heat (over 5000 BTUs per hour, depending oniG   the configuration; all that power has to go somewhere), and generally B   known for requiring equally large and power-hungry, ancient, and!   painfully slow storage devices?H  G   The gross weight for these systems easily tends to run in the 1000 KgyG   range, for a typical configuration of processor(s) and peripheral(s).SC   (Are your floors strong enough, and do you have a way to move theo=   system?  Fire suppression?)  The base box is around 320 Kg.i  G   If you want to get a home VAX, I would tend to recommend a VAXstationeE   4000 series, model 60 or higher.  Small, fast (for a VAX), and usesd#   readily available SCSI storage.  e  G   I would not recommend a large-scale VAX, such as the VAX 6000, 7000, 1&   8000, 9000, or 10000 series systems.  E   If you're going to acquire a VAX 6000, you want to know how to wireeF   your own power connections (if that's legally permissible where you D   are operating) or you'll otherwise become a good customer for yourC   local electrician(s) -- and you'll want to be prepared to pay form   lots of power, too.   F   As for power: 60 Hz, 8A at 208V (max) 3-phase 208V RMS, 1.6kW (max),F   60A surge.   And this doesn't count the air conditioning that can be    required to keep the box cool.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqoN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:27:15 -0400e# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>a$ Subject: RE: VAX Question (Hardware): Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDMEINFJAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----2 > From: Barry Treahy, Jr. [mailto:Treahy@MMaz.com]+ > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:00 PMd > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml& > Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware) >- >- > James T. Sprinkle wrote: >:I > >Hi!  I have seen on the internet that it is possible to get a VAX 6000nL > >series machine to run using a Dryer outlet for power.  Has anyone had anyL > >luck with this?  I am not at all good with electrical work, so if someoneM > >can explain the process in fairly simple terms how to do the conversion ortJ > >if there is a plug adapter available, please let me know where to look. > >Thanks in advance!> > >r > >  > >eG > Presuming you are from the US, your dryer is probably a 240V circuit.aE > I'm pretty sure that if your 6000 enclousure is a H9653, that has ao& > 208V, three phase power requirement. >  >> > Barryd >e > -- >h@ > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com@ > Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320@ > Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028 >. >h >t  P Standard US residential power is 240V. 1Ph AC. That's really two 120V AC sourcesM 180 degrees out of phase, hence Larry's "two phase" comment. Industrial three-L phase power comes in a variety of variations but probably the most common isL simply 3 120V sources 120 degrees out of phase. And BTW JF, industrial threeI phase is about as standard as it gets - not at all esoteric. Rotary phasetM converters (240V 1ph-> 240V 3ph)are easily constructed from a couple of motortL run capacitors, a common 240V, 3ph electric motor, and a suitable enclosure.K This is common practice in the machine tool world. The resulting 3ph is notnL "perfect" - there is some phase imbalance - better or worse depending on theK time and effort you are willing to put into trial and error diddling of thetN capacitances. But it's more than suitable for a 3ph machine tool motor. SimplyN plug such a device into your dryer outlet or any other 240V, 1ph source and itM generates 3 phase out. Until just last month I was personally running a latheeJ and milling machine off a no-longer needed dryer circuit using just such aP home-brew device. Now computers on the other hand may be a bit more sensitive toP phase angle error and balance. Especially disk drive motors! But the requirementO of 3ph power for a Vax 6000 is not a show stopper. Never having seen a Vax 6000d9 in person I'm guessing other issues (AC?) may well be ;-)p  4 Details on request if anyone really wants to try it.  + Next: Why digital data is really analog ;-)-   HTH,   Dan  >S >2   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:49:14 -0400 # From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> $ Subject: RE: VAX Question (Hardware): Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDCEIPFJAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----7 > From: Frank Themann [mailto:frankthemann@T-Online.de]t. > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:04 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms& > Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware) >  >o > Hi,a >m > Michael Moroney wrote: > >? > [...]s > F > > power.  A house will almost never have 3 phase power, a commercialG > > building/computer room where a 6000 would have been used would.  It  > E > I am from Germany, but I have been in the U.S for a while - regularbH > homes can have all three phases present, just as in Germany. Normally,C > all three phases should run into the house, they get split at thelB > distribution / fuse box. Get an electrician to check it, and, if) > possible, install a three phase outlet.m >t  J Not in this neck of the woods! Three phase power is not commonly present = on theJ high voltage feeds to most residential neighborhoods and even in those ar= esJ where it is it would be exceedingly uncommon for all three phases to tapp= ed to afJ residence. Residential service entrance equipment and residential power m= eters-H are strictly 1ph. Try any Home Depot, Lowes, or other Homeowner Building? Supply - you wont find a three pole load center in any of them.5   > [...]  >eJ > > the AC to DC there is no real reason 3 phase is really _needed_, but = it& > > was intended/designed for 3 phase. >BC > Be careful - a power supply can have a need for all three phases, I > because it lets you have much smaller capacitors. If you pass all threehJ > phases through a rectifier, you would have a voltage maximum 360 times = auJ > second, charging up the capacitor much quicker. Also, the voltage at th= e-H > rectifier doesn=B4t drop to zero, because the phases have a 120 degree	 > offset.A >iJ > > First, is your dryer outlet 3 or 4 prong (does it have a separate gro= und?)c9 > > I wouldn't do it at all if it is 3 prong (no ground).- > >aJ > > Second, what color code are the power wires (either black red blue wh= ite.J > > green, or brown black? ??? blue green)  The first 3 will likely go to=  lugs./ > > marked A B C or 1 2 3, they are the "hots".  >mF   If it's a 4 wire dryer 2 are "hot", one is neutral, and the other is protective ground.  ; > You would like to see this - it=B4s three phase power :-)   J   Is it three phase power or single phase 220V with neutral (Larry's two = phase). I   Four wires doesn't mean its 3 phase. Four wire dryers are 240/120V with  ground.66   Three wire dryers use the neutral as ground (dicey).   >e > Frankn >m >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:42:08 -0400n# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: [OT]: Turnabout is fair-playl, Message-ID: <7_-dnZb866RbydXcRVn-hw@igs.net>  L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1208&e=3&u=/nm/20040915/bs_) nm/financial_jpmorgan_ibm_dc&sid=95573652n    ( J.P. Morgan Cancels IBM Outsourcing Deal    H WASHINGTON (Reuters) - J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. (NYSE:JPM - news) said onH Wednesday it was canceling a $5 billion outsourcing deal with IBM Corp.,H (NYSE:IBM - news) and planned to rehire about 4,000 workers who had been" transferred to IBM under the pact.  H IBM said in a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (news - web sites)J filing that the cancellation of its biggest financial services outsourcingL deal would help its 2005 earnings per share, and would have no impact on its full-year model.  L J.P. Morgan, the No. 2 U.S. bank, said following its recent merger with BankJ One, it could better manage its own technology and infrastructure. It also< said there will be no material impact from the cancellation.  L IBM said the cancellation would improve earnings because it was still in theG early stages of deployment on the contract. It also said its backlog of J services will be revised when it announces its third-quarter earnings. IBMK estimated a $118 billion services backlog at the end of the second quarter.-  J Under the seven-year deal announced in December 2002, IBM was to take overG the global computing operations for J.P Morgan in a wide range of areascI including retail banking, trading and securities processing, offering thee: bank an opportunity to cut its own spending on technology.  D The 4,000 workers transferred to IBM from J.P. Morgan in early 2003.  L J.P. Morgan said IBM would remain one of the largest technology partners forK J.P Morgan, but the companies did not elaborate on their relationship goingo forward.     ===================M  L For some organization, like banks, outsourcing makes no real sense except inK commodity-like areas such as cheque processing. They already have economiescK of scale in their IT units and they lose a lot of control and innovation inmC their IT initiatives which are closely tied to their business unitss   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:05:01 -0700h# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>i) Subject: Re: [OT]: Turnabout is fair-play ( Message-ID: <opsediung8zgicya@hyrrokkin>  F On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:42:08 -0400, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  I > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=3Dstory&ncid=3D1208&e=3D3&u=3D/n=e m/20040915/bs_- > nm/financial_jpmorgan_ibm_dc&sid=3D95573652y >  > * > J.P. Morgan Cancels IBM Outsourcing Deal >o >bI > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. (NYSE:JPM - news) said =  onI > Wednesday it was canceling a $5 billion outsourcing deal with IBM Corp=n .,I > (NYSE:IBM - news) and planned to rehire about 4,000 workers who had be=  en$ > transferred to IBM under the pact. >aI > IBM said in a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (news - web site=  s)I > filing that the cancellation of its biggest financial services outsour=v cingI > deal would help its 2005 earnings per share, and would have no impact =r on its > full-year model. >gI > J.P. Morgan, the No. 2 U.S. bank, said following its recent merger wit=i h BankI > One, it could better manage its own technology and infrastructure. It =e also> > said there will be no material impact from the cancellation. >oI > IBM said the cancellation would improve earnings because it was still =p in theI > early stages of deployment on the contract. It also said its backlog o=t fMI > services will be revised when it announces its third-quarter earnings.=m  IBMI > estimated a $118 billion services backlog at the end of the second qua=  rter.e >1I > Under the seven-year deal announced in December 2002, IBM was to take =u overI > the global computing operations for J.P Morgan in a wide range of area=5 s2I > including retail banking, trading and securities processing, offering =n thec< > bank an opportunity to cut its own spending on technology. >lF > The 4,000 workers transferred to IBM from J.P. Morgan in early 2003.  I I would never have guessed that they had that many on their IT staff, gu=g essA  it must be one for every few PCs >TI > J.P. Morgan said IBM would remain one of the largest technology partne=p rs forI > J.P Morgan, but the companies did not elaborate on their relationship =t going 
 > forward. >r >a; > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3Dt > I > For some organization, like banks, outsourcing makes no real sense exc=p ept inI > commodity-like areas such as cheque processing. They already have econ=f omiesiI > of scale in their IT units and they lose a lot of control and innovati=a on inrE > their IT initiatives which are closely tied to their business unitsb >  >s >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:02:12 -0400/# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>-) Subject: Re: [OT]: Turnabout is fair-play0, Message-ID: <zoKdnXLj-rsT-tXcRVn-ug@igs.net>   Tom Linden wrote::H > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:42:08 -0400, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote: >9 >>L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1208&e=3&u=/nm/20040915/bs_, >> nm/financial_jpmorgan_ibm_dc&sid=95573652 >> >>+ >> J.P. Morgan Cancels IBM Outsourcing Deall >> >>C >> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. (NYSE:JPM - news)nC >> said on Wednesday it was canceling a $5 billion outsourcing dealwF >> with IBM Corp., (NYSE:IBM - news) and planned to rehire about 4,000: >> workers who had been transferred to IBM under the pact. >>D >> IBM said in a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (news - web? >> sites) filing that the cancellation of its biggest financialrD >> services outsourcing deal would help its 2005 earnings per share,3 >> and would have no impact on its full-year model.  >>E >> J.P. Morgan, the No. 2 U.S. bank, said following its recent mergerE? >> with Bank One, it could better manage its own technology andnE >> infrastructure. It also said there will be no material impact fromT >> the cancellation. >>B >> IBM said the cancellation would improve earnings because it wasC >> still in the early stages of deployment on the contract. It also E >> said its backlog of services will be revised when it announces its-@ >> third-quarter earnings. IBM estimated a $118 billion services, >> backlog at the end of the second quarter. >>C >> Under the seven-year deal announced in December 2002, IBM was toeE >> take over the global computing operations for J.P Morgan in a wide4B >> range of areas including retail banking, trading and securitiesG >> processing, offering the bank an opportunity to cut its own spending. >> on technology.c >>G >> The 4,000 workers transferred to IBM from J.P. Morgan in early 2003.l >rG > I would never have guessed that they had that many on their IT staff, ( > guess it must be one for every few PCs    L It is after all JP Morgan *Chase*. JPM had a much smaller IT department thanE Chase Manhattan. JPM was focused on commercial lending and securities=G trading - Chase was a full-service bank right down to the retail branch + level. That's why the number is what it is.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.513 ************************