1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 16 Sep 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 514       Contents:% ALPHA VMS/ SYSTEM ADMIN/ CONTRACT/ FL 4 Re: Alphaserver 1200 / Digital Server 5305 & OpenVMS4 Re: Alphaserver 1200 / Digital Server 5305 & OpenVMS Ancient UCX help needed....  Re: Ancient UCX help needed.... * Another SPAMer farming c.o.v for addresses# Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. $ HP gets 290 million defense contract( Re: HP gets 290 million defense contract Mozilla vulnerabilities  Re: Mozilla vulnerabilities / Re: OpenVMS 8.2 External Fieldtest Registration / Re: OpenVMS 8.2 External Fieldtest Registration & Oracle Rdb Release 7.1.3 Now Available Re: OT: IVAN and New Orleans Re: OT: IVAN and New Orleans1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. $ VAX 6000 series wanted for collector Re: VAX Question (Hardware)  Re: VAX Question (Hardware)  Re: VAX Question (Hardware)  Re: VAX Question (Hardware) = Yet another reason to sell packaged VMS clusters of all sizes   Re: [OT]: Turnabout is fair-play  Re: [OT]: Turnabout is fair-play  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:58:58 -0400 0 From: "Tom Gugger" <tgugger@buckeye-express.com>. Subject: ALPHA VMS/ SYSTEM ADMIN/ CONTRACT/ FL- Message-ID: <41488303$1_4@alt.athenanews.com>   J                                                                      OMNI  GROUP   U                                                           tgugger@buckeye-express.com   Q                                                                      419-380-8853       K                                        ALPHA VMS/ SYSTEMS ADMIN/ CONTRACT/   FL      G    We have an immediate need for an experienced ALPHA VMS SYSTEMS ADMIN   M person.  The start date is Oct. 4th, or before. If qualified and interested,   answer the five   ; questions below. Email answers WITH a reflective resume to   tgugger@buckeye-express.com.  J   The contract is in Tallahassee, FL. The length will be six months plus.  This is a rush situation.       5   1.. System Admin experience------------------------ .   2.. ALPHA VMS Systems Admin exp-------------9   3.. Citizenship Status--------------------------------- :   4.. Available-------------------------------------------9   5.. Rate(1099)-----------------------------------------  1099= You pay your own expenses    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:04:06 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) = Subject: Re: Alphaserver 1200 / Digital Server 5305 & OpenVMS 3 Message-ID: <We12d.10784$7p5.9517@news.cpqcorp.net>   L In article <ci9tis$kib$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Lars <lars@post.cz> writes:   > :Will it work? I hope it should, but if somebody has any real  :experiences, please share...   H   Possibly reading far too much into the headers, but given that you areE   posting through what appears to be a commercial site and likely for G   commercial purposes, you will need the appropriate licenses and such.   F   I do not know what licenses Sun Microsystems has for OpenVMS, thoughI   I do know that there are generally no OpenVMS licenses distributed with J   any of the DIGITAL Server series; it would be a special order to get it.  I   For commercial purposes, this configuration can likely be licensed, but I   it and the other DIGITAL Server series systems are not considered to be &   supported nor supportable platforms.  H   As for hobbyist licenses and the associated non-commercial use, pleaseF   see the OpenVMS FAQ as a start.  Specifically, please start with the   FAQ section entitled:   6     OpenVMS on the Whitebox Windows-Only series Alpha?  K   Single biggest problem is usually the I/O configuration, and particularly I   ensuring that you have a graphics controller and other PCI I/O that are I   that are supported by OpenVMS.  And again, ensuring that you have valid 0   licenses for OpenVMS and the layered products.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:21:36 +0100 < From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>= Subject: Re: Alphaserver 1200 / Digital Server 5305 & OpenVMS 6 Message-ID: <4148b236$0$22763$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  ' "Lars" <lars@post.cz> wrote in message  * news:ci9tis$kib$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >  >  > Will it work?   M The AlphaServer 1200 "works" with OpenVMS, obviously you will need to ensure  M you all the devices in/attached to it are supported, if you wish to use this   for production work.  L >I hope it should, but if somebody has any real experiences, please share...  @ Ran quite a few of these over the years, in both single and SMP L configurations. Personally have found reliability very good. Only 1GB fibre E HBA's are officially supported now, but certain 2GB ones will "work".   # Anything specific you want to know?    Alex     ------------------------------    Date: 15 Sep 2004 18:11:05 -0700* From: cgilley@bravesw.com (Charles Gilley)$ Subject: Ancient UCX help needed....< Message-ID: <de3cdf0.0409151711.19ce4e2a@posting.google.com>  . I have an ancient uVAX 3600, VMS 6.2, UCX 4.0.  E Installing updates is out of the question.  I do not own this system, C I'm only having to deal with it.  I am not the sys admin, thought I D may know a bit more about openVMS that he does.  All I want to do isF ftp some files to the vax.  I do not care if I push or pull the files.F  My access is from my laptop to a firewall via SSH.  The firewall is a? linux box.  From the linux box, I can telnet to the VAX or ftp.   D When I attempt to push files to the VAX, it looks like it works, butE then it just hangs forever.  I have to telnet in to the VAX as system  and stop the ftp daemon.  D If I attempt to pull the files to the vax, I get 550, failed to open file, consider using PASV mode.   E I *know* this used to work, because the files I'm trying to move as a F test were pushed from the VAX to the linux machine.  What I don't know> is if the other admin changed something either deliberately or inadvertently.  ' Checking into the UCX log files I find:   6 ******************************************************    *                 UCX$FTPD server started on6                 vax.xxxxx.com  14-SEP-2004 16:45:29.41    6 ******************************************************    = %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection 	 violation 9 %UCX-E-FTP_BIND, Failed to bind the address to the socket  $          any ideas at all?    Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:18:18 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: Ancient UCX help needed...., Message-ID: <414905FA.5670BA9A@teksavvy.com>   Charles Gilley wrote: ? > %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection  > violation ; > %UCX-E-FTP_BIND, Failed to bind the address to the socket  > $   K Does INSTALL LIST/FULL SYS$SYSTEM:UCX$FTP_SERVER.EXE and UCX$FTP_CLIENT.EXE . say that they were installed with privileges ?  V If not, it probably means that the FTP server has not been activated/started properly.  H I thini it is sys$manager:@ucx_config (or is it ucx$setup) and go to theB server section o see whwat it thinks FTP is (enabled or disabled).   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Sep 2004 19:23:18 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)3 Subject: Another SPAMer farming c.o.v for addresses + Message-ID: <2qrj56F11p3luU1@uni-berlin.de>   * I assume everyone else here got SPAMed by -      TOM GUGGER <tgugger@buckeye-express.com>  too.  = It amazes me how anyone connected to the INTERNET today could 9 be so ignorant to not realize that if they are legitimate > business, SPAMing is the quickest way to cut their own throat.7 Oh well, now they have an entry in the FTC UCE Databse.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:15:47 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> , Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.0 Message-ID: <cia0sk$lb4$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote: u > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in message news:<f30679fb.0409140422.7bda23de@posting.google.com>...  > H >>Furthermore Sun offers a variety of products and services, through theE >>HP Away program, that make it easy for HP customers to migrate to a & >>Sun platform with an assured future. >  > ? > How does sun offer an assured future?  They could go bankrupt  > at any minute!4 Hard to imagine since we have over 6 billion in cash4 but please feel free to explain why you have reached your conclusion.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:36:14 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> , Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.( Message-ID: <opsedsmodbzgicya@hyrrokkin>  I On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:15:47 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <A= , ndrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:   > Bob Ceculski wrote: I >> fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in message news:<f3067= . 9fb.0409140422.7bda23de@posting.google.com>... >>I >>> Furthermore Sun offers a variety of products and services, through t=  heG >>> HP Away program, that make it easy for HP customers to migrate to a ( >>> Sun platform with an assured future. >> >>@ >> How does sun offer an assured future?  They could go bankrupt >> at any minute! 6 > Hard to imagine since we have over 6 billion in cash6 > but please feel free to explain why you have reached > your conclusion.  8 With that much cash, I am sure Carly would sell you VMS. > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:22:33 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> , Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.0 Message-ID: <cia19a$ljd$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Main, Kerry wrote: >>-----Original Message-----* >>From: CJT [mailto:abujlehc@prodigy.net] " >>Sent: September 14, 2004 5:22 PM >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com - >>Subject: Re: From Sun: HP-UX has no future.  >> >>Bob Ceculski wrote:  >> >>= >>>fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in message   >>; >>news:<f30679fb.0409140422.7bda23de@posting.google.com>...  >>? >>>>Furthermore Sun offers a variety of products and services,   >>
 >>through the  >>G >>>>HP Away program, that make it easy for HP customers to migrate to a ( >>>>Sun platform with an assured future. >>>  >>> @ >>>How does sun offer an assured future?  They could go bankrupt >>>at any minute!  >>: >>With all those billions in cash?  How could that happen? >> >  > H > Yeah right .. Like when Digital had $3B in the bank when Compaq bought > it?  >   2 So Digital was about to go bust and was only saved
 by Compaq.  2 Remeber Bob was suggesting that Sun are in iminent danger of going bust.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:19:59 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future., Message-ID: <414895DA.3C9678F4@teksavvy.com>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:4 > So Digital was about to go bust and was only saved > by Compaq. > 4 > Remeber Bob was suggesting that Sun are in iminent > danger of going bust.   M Digital was not about to go bust. Digital had decided to seek to be purchased V since it became obvious that current management were unable to fix Digital's problems.  D It is comparing IBM with Digital that really shows the difference inK mentality. IBM was far closer to bankrupcy than Digital ever was.  Gerstner M rejected the concept os selling/divesting IBM of its divisions and decided to  fix the problems instead.   L Instead of fixing problems, Palmer decided to shrink Digital (by divesting) M into something Comapq could purchase. Palmer is on record during an interview J with CNN of this. He admitted that starting in 1996 (3 years before compaqJ takeover), he was in contact with Pfeiffer who advised him of what Digital2 would have to do so that Compaq could then buy it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:38:33 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future., Message-ID: <oYCdnXeZfZLWNdXcRVn-qA@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote: * > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:5 >> So Digital was about to go bust and was only saved 
 >> by Compaq.  >>5 >> Remeber Bob was suggesting that Sun are in iminent  >> danger of going bust. > E > Digital was not about to go bust. Digital had decided to seek to be  > purchased D > since it became obvious that current management were unable to fix > Digital's problems.  > F > It is comparing IBM with Digital that really shows the difference inC > mentality. IBM was far closer to bankrupcy than Digital ever was. 
 > GerstnerD > rejected the concept os selling/divesting IBM of its divisions and > decided to > fix the problems instead.  > B > Instead of fixing problems, Palmer decided to shrink Digital (by > divesting)E > into something Comapq could purchase. Palmer is on record during an  > interview E > with CNN of this. He admitted that starting in 1996 (3 years before  > compaqD > takeover), he was in contact with Pfeiffer who advised him of what	 > Digital 4 > would have to do so that Compaq could then buy it.    G Don't forget that the fossils on Digital's Board of Directors, who were K supposed to be looking out for the shareholders, either went along with the - strategy and/or were active proponents of it.   	 Ditto HP.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:26:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: HP gets 290 million defense contract , Message-ID: <4148C187.AB518ACB@teksavvy.com>   > http://www.nyse.com/cgi-bin/ny_news?df=NY&r=S&sym=HPQ&sl=ON-09/15-17:19-1134|ON-09/15-17:07-1119|ON-09/15-16:38-1100|BW-09/15-07:45-320|BW-09/15-07:45-319|&sp=4   Sorry for wrap in URL.  J Looks like a major "consolidation" contract for the US defense department.  J Of course, no mention of platform, which probably means that this involvesC VMS. (Otherwise HP would have touted its HP-UX or other platforms).   G Does anyone have any further details on whether VMS is involved in this 
 contract ?  L Sue, if VMS was involved in this contract, then this is a perfect example of3 HP missing out on a free opportunity to market VMS.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:45:52 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 1 Subject: Re: HP gets 290 million defense contract , Message-ID: <KfednbQnLZS_W9XcRVn-iw@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  >>L http://www.nyse.com/cgi-bin/ny_news?df=NY&r=S&sym=HPQ&sl=ON-09/15-17:19-1134L |ON-09/15-17:07-1119|ON-09/15-16:38-1100|BW-09/15-07:45-320|BW-09/15-07:45-3 19|&sp=4 >  > Sorry for wrap in URL. > @ > Looks like a major "consolidation" contract for the US defense
 > department.  > C > Of course, no mention of platform, which probably means that this B > involves VMS. (Otherwise HP would have touted its HP-UX or other
 > platforms).  > D > Does anyone have any further details on whether VMS is involved in > this contract ?  > C > Sue, if VMS was involved in this contract, then this is a perfect @ > example of HP missing out on a free opportunity to market VMS.      
 Perhaps this:   & http://www.dla.mil/j-6/bsm/msg_bsm.htmK Replace our legacy materiel management systems (Standard Automated Materiel L Management System (SAMMS) & Defense Integrated Subsistence Management System5 (DISMS) with COTS (commercial off-the-shelf) systems.     G Of course HP's press release, (below) obviously means high availability  Windows on 808x architecture.   B "The EDC program will consolidate large numbers of DLA servers andJ infrastructure into centralized facilities using the latest HP technology,J thus allowing more efficient support to U.S. service members. The EDC willH reduce DLA's IT inventory resulting in a reduction of the agency's totalB cost of ownership and will create a more modern IT infrastructure.B The EDC also will allow for more effective implementation of DLA'sD information assurance programs across the agency and will expand its9 disaster recovery and continuity of operations programs."    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Sep 2004 13:01:41 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)  Subject: Mozilla vulnerabilities= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0409151201.503b31bf@posting.google.com>   $ http://secunia.com/advisories/12526/  D Looks like nearly all versions of Mozilla prior to the 1.7.3 versionC released yesterday, plus firefox and thunderbird are impacted.  The ( site does not provide any example links.  D I won't have access to Mozilla or CSWS under VMS for a few days.  IsD there any info on impact to these products under VMS?  Or any chance6 that we'll see a port of the maintenance update 1.7.3?   Thanks   Rich   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:45:10 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) $ Subject: Re: Mozilla vulnerabilities3 Message-ID: <qR12d.10798$dq5.5217@news.cpqcorp.net>   f In article <cc5619f2.0409151201.503b31bf@posting.google.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes: ..9 :Is there any info on impact to these products under VMS? E :Or any chance that we'll see a port of the maintenance update 1.7.3?  ..    B   I've passed the report and the question along to the appropriate$   OpenVMS business manager.  Thanks.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:11:39 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS 8.2 External Fieldtest Registration+ Message-ID: <2qrpgeF13k9jkU1@uni-berlin.de>    warren sander wrote:E > DSPP members got the SDK sent to them. That's not really field test 
 > but almost.   G Is there something special DSPP members have to do to get on this list? > I am a DSPP member but I have not received anything from them.    D > OpenVMS Certified Professionals will be getting access through the > certified professionals siteD > to the ft at some point (the meeting where I'm giving them all the  > pages and access keeps getting
 > postponed).   E I have not received anything from these people in a while either. The C Compaq CD's they used to send were useless to a VMS person, but the > QuickFind 2000 they sent in January 2003 had some useful AlphaG information on it. But I think that was the last thing I saw from them.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:00:37 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS 8.2 External Fieldtest Registration, Message-ID: <4148ade9$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  G DSPP members got the SDK sent to them. That's not really field test but  almost.   L OpenVMS Certified Professionals will be getting access through the certified professionals siteL to the ft at some point (the meeting where I'm giving them all the pages and access keeps getting postponed).   F The OpenVMS site has a field test password protected area. That is for REGISTED field test customers I only. There is no way to signup for the fieldtest on that site and nobody ( should be giving the usernames/passwords9 out to that site without authorization from FieldTestOps.    You can purchase the SDKX http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/integrity-ready.html has information.   -warren    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Sep 2004 12:09:43 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) / Subject: Oracle Rdb Release 7.1.3 Now Available 9 Message-ID: <857e9e41.0409151109.731a@posting.google.com>    Dear Newsgroup,   / I just received this from the Oracle RDB Group.    Sue  __________________  = We are pleased to announce the release of Oracle Rdb Release  >     7.1.3 (aka V7.1-3).  The kit is available on Metalink and (     internally on the Oracle network at:     E     NOVA""::RDB_KITS:[RDBKITS71.RDBV71301KIT_AMV] (Optimized for EV56 F                                                  or higher processors)     F     RDBV71301KIT_AMV.ZIP;1  106358/106368   15-SEP-2004 10:04:37.40       3     NOVA""::RDB_KITS:[RDBKITS71.RDBV71300KIT_AMV]        C     RDBV71300KIT_AMV.ZIP;1  113254/113280   15-SEP-2004 10:42:44.59     5     Software Errors Fixed in Oracle Rdb Release 7.1.3 5     -------------------------------------------------      7     Software Errors Fixed That Apply to All Interfaces  .       - Deadlock on Quiet After Journal Backup5       - Logical Name Search Lists Supported by Attach =       - RDB$CLIENT_DEFAULTS.DAT in SYS$LOGIN Incorrectly Used ?       - RDBPRE Incorrectly Reported an Error for Reserved Word           VIA @       - Query With OR Predicate Slows Down Due to Wrong Strategy<       - Bugcheck from Query with ORDER BY Using Translation          Function3       - Bugcheck from a Count Query at Compile Time &       - Logical Names Translated Twice?       - AIP Length Not Set Correctly for Tables with AUTOMATIC           Columns 6       - Bugcheck Dump During Alter Storage Map Command@       - Complex Query With MAX()...GROUP BY Returns Wrong ResultA       - Unexpected Constraint Failures from RMU Verify Constraint      SQL Errors Fixed:       - High I/O Rates for BUILD PARTITION on HASHED Index8       - Unexpected LANUNSDTP Error for BIGINT Parameters5       - Simple Function Names Hiding User Column Data ;       - SQL$MOD Compile Bugcheck at GEM_IP_BUILD + 00003F7C ;       - Unexpected Bugcheck when Using TRACE Statement and           Subselect >       - DEFAULT on COMPUTED BY Causes Corruption During INSERTA       - Unexpected NO_META_UPDATE Error Generated by DROP MODULE  ,         ...CASCADE When Attached by PATHNAME.       - Relaxed Rules for Date/Time Comparison<       - Unexpected ONEDBINMOD Error Reported for LOCK TABLE          Statement C       - Unexpected Memory Error when CONSTRAINT=ON Option Used for           an Application4       - Changes to Pascal Support in SQL Precompiler<       - New Optional Builtin Function RDB$$IS_ROW_FRAGMENTED:       - ROUND and TRUNC are now Built In Functions for SQL      RMU Errors Fixed A       - RMU Extract Item=VERIFY Incorrectly Includes Information           Tables?       - RMU/BACKUP Did Not Always Create an RMUBUGCHK.DMP File           for Certain Errors?       - Default Concurrency for RMU/RESTORE from Multiple Tape           Drives was IncorrectC       - RMU Extract may Bugcheck if Executed when Metadata Changes           are Being MadeA       - RMU Unload Could Not be Used to Unload Information Tables B       - RMU/RESTORE/INCREMENTAL/AREA Did Not Check if Default and #         List Areas Were Out of Date ?       - RMU Extract Not Preserving BEFORE/AFTER COLUMN Ordering A       - RMU/DUMP/BACKUP/LIBRARIAN=READER=1 Could Create Multiple           Reader ThreadsF       - RMU/BACKUP/LIBRARIAN=(LOGICAL=(logical_name=equivalence_name))         Behavior Changed2       - RMU Extract Fails on Some View Definitions=       - RMU Extract Fails to Extract Large Trigger Definition =       - RMU Extract of a Module May Generate Incorrect Syntax      LogMiner Errors Fixed ?       - RMU /UNLOAD /AFTER_JOURNAL Possible Missing Pre-delete           Content   5     Enhancements Provided in Oracle Rdb Release 7.1.3 5     -------------------------------------------------   -     Enhancements that Apply to all Interfaces 9       - Dynamic Optimizer FAST FIRST Shortcut Termination ;       - RDMS$DEBUG_FLAGS_OUTPUT Now Substitutes the Process          ID in Output Filename 6       - Peephole Optimization for Hidden Key Retrieval8       - New PROTOTYPES Qualifier for SQL Module Language:       - RMU /UNLOAD /AFTER_JOURNAL Performance Enhancement$       - New GET DIAGNOSTICS Keywords6       - RMU /BACKUP New /ALLOCATION_QUANTITY Qualifier       - New EXECUTE Syntax,       - Bitmap Scan Performance Enhancements)       - Enhancements to SQL SHOW Commands 7       - Return EXCESS_TRAN with Distributed Transaction !       - Dynamic SQL Enhancements     Ginger Vollmar Rdb Engineering    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:12:12 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: OT: IVAN and New Orleans , Message-ID: <414885FB.30D97A5B@teksavvy.com>   John Smith wrote: N > I think it is this month's issue of National Geographic magazine which makesK > the case of global warming's impact on costal areas quite clear. And it's A > hard to predict how any change in coastal area temepeatures wil @ > change/modify the frquency and intensity of tornado formation.  L You can't use "global warming" in advertising in the USA. You'd alienate tooL many people who are conviced global warming is just some tree hugger virtual# problem designed to weaken the USA.   K But you could say something like "forecasters predict hurricane season will ' continue to strenghten over the years".    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:23:07 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: OT: IVAN and New Orleans , Message-ID: <j5KdnSTKk6sDC9XcRVn-sw@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > John Smith wrote: C >> I think it is this month's issue of National Geographic magazine B >> which makes the case of global warming's impact on costal areasG >> quite clear. And it's hard to predict how any change in coastal area G >> temepeatures wil change/modify the frquency and intensity of tornado 
 >> formation.  > A > You can't use "global warming" in advertising in the USA. You'd G > alienate too many people who are conviced global warming is just some 9 > tree hugger virtual problem designed to weaken the USA.  > A > But you could say something like "forecasters predict hurricane 5 > season will continue to strenghten over the years".     G As a friend of mine who used to be a senior executive at a major US oil I company once said to me, "If there was just one barrel of oil left in the J entire world, every oil company would be in cut-throat competition to sellL it and the US government would be encouraging it as a way of stimulating the	 economy."    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:02:24 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation, Message-ID: <414883B0.E9597AC0@teksavvy.com>   Dan Foster wrote: I > PuTTy is nice, although I haven't used it to connect to VMS systems, so A > I'm less sure about VT emulation and keys. Perhaps someone more  > knowledgeable might speak up.   M Excuse my ignorance, but what does PuTTY have to do with terminal emulation ? N (or telnet for that matter). Doesn't it simply transfer bytes between one hostJ and another ? If your terminal is a VT200 and it connects to a remote hostI using PuTTY, then why wouldn't any VT application work perfectly if PUTTY  doesn't filter any characters ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:40:36 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> : Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation; Message-ID: <E002d.2802$JS.1466@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:414883B0.E9597AC0@teksavvy.com... > Dan Foster wrote: J >> PuTTy is nice, although I haven't used it to connect to VMS systems, soB >> I'm less sure about VT emulation and keys. Perhaps someone more  >> knowledgeable might speak up. > D > Excuse my ignorance, but what does PuTTY have to do with terminal 
 > emulation ?   ? PuTTY is a terminal emulator.  And, I can highly reccommend it.    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Sep 2004 16:13:39 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann): Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation0 Message-ID: <ci9pnj$1am$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  e In article <Xns956584743D8A8dcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>, "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> writes: ( >%NEWS-I-NEWMSG, O-Dzin Tridral wrote in% >news:s1482c6d.006@MAINCF1P.cf.ac.uk   > ? >> We would like to find a terminal emulator that is capable of G >> connecting to VMS via using SSH and running full-screen applications  >> (e.g. CODA, TPU).   >>  E >> I've had a look at PuTty, for example, and connecting using Telnet E >> allows me to run full-screen applications, but using SSH doesn't.   >>   >> I'd appreciate any advice.  > J >I've never had any problem using PuTTY's SSH features to run things like G >TPU, have you checked that the terminal type is getting set correctly?   H And what would you recommend if you use a MacIntosh (both OS9 and OS-X)?   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Sep 2004 19:05:49 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon): Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation+ Message-ID: <2qri4cF12m1ohU1@uni-berlin.de>   0 In article <ci9pnj$1am$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>,? 	gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) writes:  > J > And what would you recommend if you use a MacIntosh (both OS9 and OS-X)?  G OS9?  I wasn't aware that the Macintosh had been upgraded to the M6809.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:21:22 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation, Message-ID: <4148962C.B50DCCB6@teksavvy.com>   John Vottero wrote: A > PuTTY is a terminal emulator.  And, I can highly reccommend it.   G Oh, I have PUTTY on VMS, and it seems to me that it is just a glorified  telnet.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:11:33 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing): Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation6 Message-ID: <00A37EAD.FC42A8ED@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  o In article <ci9pnj$1am$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) writes: f >In article <Xns956584743D8A8dcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>, "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> writes:) >>%NEWS-I-NEWMSG, O-Dzin Tridral wrote in & >>news:s1482c6d.006@MAINCF1P.cf.ac.uk  >>@ >>> We would like to find a terminal emulator that is capable ofH >>> connecting to VMS via using SSH and running full-screen applications >>> (e.g. CODA, TPU).  >>>   F >>> I've had a look at PuTty, for example, and connecting using TelnetF >>> allows me to run full-screen applications, but using SSH doesn't.  >>>  3 >>> I'd appreciate any advice. >>K >>I've never had any problem using PuTTY's SSH features to run things like dH >>TPU, have you checked that the terminal type is getting set correctly? >uI >And what would you recommend if you use a MacIntosh (both OS9 and OS-X)?u  M I'm still on MacOS 9, no OSX experience,  but I've been quite happy, 364 days H of the year, with "Nifty Telnet + SSH", which is pretty solid freeware. M (Didn't work with the OSU SSH, but works fine with Multinet SSH, and with thepL fullsize Mac keyboard has keys  pretty much in the place you expect them.)    L One major caveat: It doesn't think you should work on Christmas day, and bad7 things happen if you try to make a connection that day.    -- Alant   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:14:58 GMTe% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>m: Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation> Message-ID: <6p12d.17096$ZC7.13557@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message o& news:4148962C.B50DCCB6@teksavvy.com... > John Vottero wrote:rB >> PuTTY is a terminal emulator.  And, I can highly reccommend it. > I > Oh, I have PUTTY on VMS, and it seems to me that it is just a glorifiede	 > telnet.:  J There's the confusion,  PuTTY on Windows is a terminal emulator.  I don't  use it on VMS. s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:27:10 GMTu3 From: Eric Dittman <dittman@jeeves.int.dittman.net>s: Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation* Message-ID: <yA12d.8193$5t4.4864@trnddc01>  ! Joe Silagi <joesi@wrq.com> wrote:e > <plug>  K > Take a look at WRQs Reflection terminal emulator.   Supports VT52 through B > VT5xx, telnet, SSH (1 and 2), integrated VBA, plus lots more....  $ Does WRQ still charge for bug fixes? -- - Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:13:40 GMTk+ From: "John S." <j.simakauskas@comcast.net>A: Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation- Message-ID: <UU42d.197808$mD.37097@attbi_s02>   M > We would like to find a terminal emulator that is capable of connecting to  J > VMS via using SSH and running full-screen applications (e.g. CODA, TPU).  D There's an SSH extension to Teraterm, TTSSH. TeraTerm  does good VT J emulation. Both are free. The only problem is that TTSSH does not support  SSH2   VanDyke's SecureCRT works well.r F-Secure's client works well.M= My personal favorite for VT emulation is DCSi E-Term 32 Plus.q  H There are others I've tried and still use that work well but have a few  annoying behaviors.r  K For OS9 and OSX MacSSH appears to works well but  I haven't spent a lot of L time with it. It is freeware.   I There's a list of some Windows & Mac SSH and SFTP clients at the Process -G Software web site. I put the list together after using all of them and   others thatt have been left off that list.-, http://www.process.com/sshclients/index.html   John Simakauskas Process Software QA-    -   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:06:24 -0400-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>0F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future., Message-ID: <414884A0.3AAA07F1@teksavvy.com>  
 "Doc." wrote:1; > It *could* be worse... Microsoft could start making beer.b  P VAXman, hope your heart is in good shape, otherwise, don't read the next line...  J No, Microsoft is more likely to buy Guinness and then "improve" it :-) ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:03:44 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>eF Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.+ Message-ID: <41488400.DDAF655@teksavvy.com>c  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:SJ > That's not the point.  IT IS running the right image and files are beingK > transferred.  I simple do not know where the RUN ALPHALK2 comes from wheng4 > all of the PeeCee side of things say RUN VAXLINK2.  N Ahh, OK. Have you tried to run REGEDIT on windows and searching for "VAXLINK2" everywhere in the registry ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:26:11 -0400s* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.< Message-ID: <ON%1d.137808$0o5.128552@bignews1.bellsouth.net>   Joe Silagi wrote:g  A > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message ' > news:4147B15E.D38B65CA@comcast.net...t > # >>VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:t >  > E >>>Can anybody here what works with this horked up shite lend a hand?s >>E >>O.k. I kinda got lost re-reading this thread. Let's go through this  >>step-by-step and verify: >>@ >>While logged into VMS at the DCL prompt, select in reflection: >>J >>File -> Transfer -> the Setup button -> the WRQ tab (WRQ/Reflection mustJ >>be "highlighted" for the WRQ tab to appear - try the other protocols and >>witness the changes).  >>C >>In the box marked "Startup command", it should say "RUN ALPHALK2"  >>J >>If that's what command recall pulls up, then that's what's being sent byG >>Reflection. This is the command to start the host-side portion of the2D >>file transfer. For Zmodem, you would need to set up an appropriate? >>string, for example (something like "MCR VRZ -x" or similar).  >>I >>To my knowledge (and some WRQ folks have been known to lurk on c.o.v.),  >  > K > Sorry I missed the start of this thread...   David, and the other repliess0 > have provided great information --- thank you! >  > I >>Reflection has no way of knowing what's on the other end. Could be VMS,o > H > Reflection does not detect what the host system is.   It relies on theL > setting in File Transfer setup to know what kind of host, and what kind ofC > string to transmit to start the host based file transfer program.w    J There was mention made earlier of a Reflection Basic script file possibly K being used.  If a .RBS file is being used, it may very well be overrriding dK the saved file transfer settings during the actual file transfer using the eG WRQ protocol.  That could explain the discrepancy between what the DCL tJ "RECALL" command shows as having been entered at the $ prompt and what is L configured in Reflection for starting up a file transfer using the WRQ file  transfer protocol.     -- t Chuck Choppt  8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:46:34 GMTh" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGF Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.0 Message-ID: <00A37EBB.49D73D05@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <41488400.DDAF655@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: " >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:K >> That's not the point.  IT IS running the right image and files are beingtL >> transferred.  I simple do not know where the RUN ALPHALK2 comes from when5 >> all of the PeeCee side of things say RUN VAXLINK2.$ >DO >Ahh, OK. Have you tried to run REGEDIT on windows and searching for "VAXLINK2"* >everywhere in the registry ?*   What?  * -- *< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.s -- t, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! 0 -- rK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Sep 2004 18:44:29 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)fF Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0409151744.1638843a@posting.google.com>L  X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A37E7B.0B6322CA@SendSpamHere.ORG>...d > In article <1ca82fc6.0409141753.89da658@posting.google.com>, dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) writes:[ > >VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A37DEE.5C28515E@SendSpamHere.ORG>...s > >{...snip...}tO > >> I do.  The files do transfer.  I still don't see how it sends RUN ALPHALK2e1 > >> when the reflection setup says RUN VAXLINK2.(7 > >Nor do I, what is the image name of your executable?o4 > >Do you have any symbols or logicals set for this? > J > NO!  This "software" has been in use for only a few days to try to debugD > a customer's issue in their environment where they are using this.@ Do you have exactly the same Reflection version and setup as the	 customer?tC Reflection does include a serial line loader that is generally usedh@ once - to get the program vaxlink2.exe onto vms. It does this by@ establishing a serial connection, sending a macro-32 source file1 down the line, compiling, linking and running it.h  Could this be what's happenning?6 To log what is being received by vms, you can do this:  C To capture file transfer activity to a VMS host log file when using-9 the WRQ/Reflection protocol, perform the following steps:r' 1	Define VAXLINK2 as a foreign command.oA 2	Click File Transfer on the Setup menu to open the File Transfer.         Setup dialog box.  3	Click the WRQ tab." 4	Append L to the Startup command:  
 VAXLINK2 L   5	Click OK. / 6	Perform the transfer you are having trouble. a    1994-2000 WRQ, Inc..   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Sep 2004 05:14:11 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-dV3wdowHRTus@dave2_os2.home.ours>b  3 On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:05:03 UTC, David J Dachtera v" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:  # > VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:h > >    <Snip>   >  > P.S.: I > I know how you "love" Micro$hit, but try to stay calm and deal with it.0I > Many of your colleagues out here do it everyday just to survive. It can  > be done - you can do it!  F The other odd thing is that I have far more patience with MicroSchrottF stuff when I'm helping someone else than when I"m using it myself... I' can even see the logic of it  (Horror).e   -- f Cheers - Another Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:10:45 GMTo, From: "Mr. Phil" <admin@demanufacturing.com>- Subject: VAX 6000 series wanted for collectoru9 Message-ID: <pd22d.226943$bp1.19257@twister.nyroc.rr.com>u  E I have a friend who is looking to acquire a VAX 6000-XXX (any model).>J He collects old computers and wants to play with and get familiar with theL VAX architecture.  If anyone out there knows of one that is being discarded,/ please contact me at: admin@demanufacturing.como   Thanks.o   -Philh   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:32:29 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>-$ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware), Message-ID: <41488ABA.6FF945B6@teksavvy.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:oH >   You do realize that a VAX 6000 is comparatively huge (145cm H x 78cmI >   W x 76cm D), excruitatingly slow (particularly the VAX 6000 processorOK >   modules that are cheap/free; 2.8 VUPS or so), exceedingly power-hungry,tI >   a prodigious generator of heat (over 5000 BTUs per hour, depending onu >   the configuration;  N In other words, a very efficent central heating system that can also calculate pi to infirnity :-) :-) :-) :-)3  K In fairness, one must consider the REAL power consumption. For instance, myeK all mighty microvax II is supposed to be on a 30 amp fuse. It isn't. And it N doesn't need to be. You see, because the cabinet allows for 2 RA8x drives, theN specs specify 30 amps to handle those 2 drives. The microvax II itself doesn't consume that much power.  I So, if you're not going to load the 6000 to the brim, I suspect the power?5 consumption wouldn't generate the 5000 BTUs per hour.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:50:45 GMTb3 From: "James T. Sprinkle" <oicmrsnakes@hotmail.com> $ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware)0 Message-ID: <FW12d.13$l1.2225@news-west.eli.net>  L Thanks to everybody who responded.  Looks like I should have written sooner.I I now own the 6000-610...just have to go pick it up.  Maybe I will see if H someone here in the Seattle, WA area is interested in it for trade for a' more "managable" system.  Thanks again!t   Jim  (Back to simh for now...)  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:4147BE8F.5EB89253@teksavvy.com... > George Cook wrote:J > > The 63AMB-YE we have here uses three phase power.  It has a five prongG > > plug (the three phases, neutral and ground).  Although a lot of DECm threetI > > phase US stuff has an internal distribution box into which a bunch oftD > > standard 120V US power cords are plugged, the 63AMB-YE does not. >eK > You'd think that a worldwide company that Digital used to be would designi its F > products to have fairly standard components usable around the world. Somehow,I > I doubt that components inside the box would be specific to the various J > flavours of power supplies around the world, especially esoteric 3 phase stuff. >rK > In my all mighty microvax II, there is a power distribution box which hasD thelK > relays and some power filtering, and standard north american plugs in it.- ItE > also has a 110-220 switch.  Then these plugs go to the actual powero suppliesJ > that do convert everything down to DC to drive the electronics and fans. >RL > However, the RA cabinets had the same power distribution box. The RA driveK > units had huge power supplies and electronics that drove the 1/3hp motors  andmL > the capacitors required to get those beasts started. The fans were 110v AC butiH > either 50 or 60hz.  So my *guess* is that the power conditioner in the bottomL > would actually convert 220 into 110 and the rest of the cabinet worked off 110. >eJ > One would have to look into the 6000 cabinet. I *suspect* that a similarJ > arrangement would exist that would convert 3 phase into single phase 110 on > perhaps 2 or 3 "buses".e >oK > The advantage of 3 phase power is that it allows for increased power feeds atG > lower amperage (hence smaller conductors and fuses). Also, the higherl voltagesI > also help to reduce power spikes once transformed down to the 12/5 VDC.g > C > (a 10vdc spike at 247 volts is 4%. same spike at 110 volts is 9%)    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Sep 04 18:36:06 EDT) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) $ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware)! Message-ID: <Jw0YhUPAY6Z8@wvnvms>a  \ In article <41488ABA.6FF945B6@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Hoff Hoffman wrote:aI >>   You do realize that a VAX 6000 is comparatively huge (145cm H x 78cm J >>   W x 76cm D), excruitatingly slow (particularly the VAX 6000 processorL >>   modules that are cheap/free; 2.8 VUPS or so), exceedingly power-hungry,J >>   a prodigious generator of heat (over 5000 BTUs per hour, depending on >>   the configuration;n > P > In other words, a very efficent central heating system that can also calculate! > pi to infirnity :-) :-) :-) :-)9 > M > In fairness, one must consider the REAL power consumption. For instance, my M > all mighty microvax II is supposed to be on a 30 amp fuse. It isn't. And it P > doesn't need to be. You see, because the cabinet allows for 2 RA8x drives, theP > specs specify 30 amps to handle those 2 drives. The microvax II itself doesn't > consume that much power. > K > So, if you're not going to load the 6000 to the brim, I suspect the powerg7 > consumption wouldn't generate the 5000 BTUs per hour.-  E Quite true.  A while back I did an analysis of the actual power usage C of our production 6000-610.  Without disk drives and a BI, it drawsnF around 800 watts (a great deal less than its rated draw) which is halfD of what a 1600 watt hand blow dryer draws (when set on high).  If myG analysis is correct then the BTUs per hour would be half of what a 1600| watt blow dryer would put out.  H If memory serves, a 6000-610 is 32 VUPS.  The 6x0 cards were the fastest 6000 processors.     George Cook  WVNETf   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:22:14 -0500s+ From: Michael Jenkins <mwjenkins@excel.com>U$ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware)8 Message-ID: <f6uhk0l50jeiji6g1pn4fe1h0p9ljkisa4@4ax.com>  0 And here I thought he wanted a backup furnace...   ;-)    MikeWJ  $ hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:  e >In article <ETH1d.5$l1.887@news-west.eli.net>, "James T. Sprinkle" <oicmrsnakes@hotmail.com> writes:mF >:...VAX 6000 series machine to run using a Dryer outlet for power.... >mG >  You do realize that a VAX 6000 is comparatively huge (145cm H x 78cmeH >  W x 76cm D), excruitatingly slow (particularly the VAX 6000 processorJ >  modules that are cheap/free; 2.8 VUPS or so), exceedingly power-hungry,H >  a prodigious generator of heat (over 5000 BTUs per hour, depending onH >  the configuration; all that power has to go somewhere), and generallyC >  known for requiring equally large and power-hungry, ancient, andt" >  painfully slow storage devices? > H >  The gross weight for these systems easily tends to run in the 1000 KgH >  range, for a typical configuration of processor(s) and peripheral(s).D >  (Are your floors strong enough, and do you have a way to move the> >  system?  Fire suppression?)  The base box is around 320 Kg. >tH >  If you want to get a home VAX, I would tend to recommend a VAXstationF >  4000 series, model 60 or higher.  Small, fast (for a VAX), and uses$ >  readily available SCSI storage.   >aH >  I would not recommend a large-scale VAX, such as the VAX 6000, 7000, ' >  8000, 9000, or 10000 series systems.  >kF >  If you're going to acquire a VAX 6000, you want to know how to wireG >  your own power connections (if that's legally permissible where you  E >  are operating) or you'll otherwise become a good customer for yourSD >  local electrician(s) -- and you'll want to be prepared to pay for >  lots of power, too. >nG >  As for power: 60 Hz, 8A at 208V (max) 3-phase 208V RMS, 1.6kW (max),iG >  60A surge.   And this doesn't count the air conditioning that can beM! >  required to keep the box cool.m > O > ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------qL >    For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqO > --------------------------- pure personal opinion --------------------------- F >        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com  & http://www.geocities.com/mwjenkins001/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:36:15 -0400m# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>-F Subject: Yet another reason to sell packaged VMS clusters of all sizes, Message-ID: <RsadncTyZdFcOtXcRVn-hg@igs.net>  F Too bad there aren't many apps left to sell on it though. All the more2 reason for HP not to advertise and market OpenVMS.  4 "HP's Self-Fulfilling Prophecy". Fiorina, Carly(tm).0 HP 'What Me Worry?' Press. Palo Alto, 2001-2004.      C http://www.storagepipeline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=47205066o   September 14, 2004  ( Disaster Recovery Planning Grows, Slowly       By Storage PipelineuJ The good news is that more companies are taking seriously the need to planL for disaster recovery. The bad news is that only 38 percent have any kind ofL plan in place to keep them operating in the event of disaster or disruption,I according to a Veritas-sponsored survey conducted by Dynamic Markets Ltd.iL The survey sample consisted of 1,258 IT professionals from around the world.  K Enterprises and end-user organizations have plenty of incentive to plan foreK disasters and business disruptions. According to the survey, 51 percent hadiK to activate their DR plans this year, compared with 33 percent in 2003. TheeH most common reason for activating DR--problems with hardware or softwareG failures--was reported by 37 percent of respondents. But companies alsohH reported external threats like viruses and hackers (26 percent); naturalK disasters (14 percent); internal threats, whether accidental or intentional K (13 percent); and man-made disasters such as war or terrorism (10 percent).r  H In addition, 40 percent of respondents said they had no idea how long itL would take to achieve normal or even skeletal operations in the wake of someJ kind of natural disaster destroying their data center. Only 3 percent saidL they could carry on with business as usual right away, while 28 percent saidI they could resume skeletal operations in less than 12 hours. And it takessH companies more than 72 hours on average to establish skeletal operations- following a major fire is more than 72 hours.s  G The potential business impact from a disaster included reduced employeeeJ productivity (62 percent), reduction in profits (40 percent) and damage toI customer relationships (38 percent). And only 44 percent use some kind ofwB data restoration or backup software for DR purposes, Veritas said.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:16:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>k) Subject: Re: [OT]: Turnabout is fair-playc, Message-ID: <4148870D.C0DA0ECB@teksavvy.com>   John Smith wrote:4N > For some organization, like banks, outsourcing makes no real sense except inM > commodity-like areas such as cheque processing. They already have economiesoM > of scale in their IT units and they lose a lot of control and innovation invE > their IT initiatives which are closely tied to their business units   J One car argue the opporite though. When a bank's IT depertment becomes tooH powerful since it holds everyone else by the gonads, it creates internalW political problems which often result in the bank taking longer to implement something.D  M By outsourcing, you are essentially castrating the IT department and you have1G a more neutral IT supplier who will gladly hire new people to rush some 8 changes through. (if you're willing to pay, of course).   L Economically, it doesn't pay. But politically, it often does pay since banksB have become "civil service" organisations that can't move quickly.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:23:12 -0400S- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>e) Subject: Re: [OT]: Turnabout is fair-play , Message-ID: <4148888E.3D8E8957@teksavvy.com>   Tom Linden wrote:nM > I would never have guessed that they had that many on their IT staff, guess " > it must be one for every few PCs  L Banks are pure information companies.  Yes, they still have some vaults, andN some cheque clearing, but the vast majority is just information. And for everyL product they offer, they need some software to allow staff to enter customerI information for that product, process the transactions, generate reports,sA monitor transactions for fraudulent activity etc etc etc etc etc.O  I While while bansk do have a lot of "commercial" software, it is generallyrK tailored and customized in-house to plug eahc piece of the puzzle together. K (for instance, consider a bank that has a central customer database, and iteK buys some new mortgage software. It will need programmers to adapt that newEM mortgage software to plug into their own customer database, and will probablyAM need to make changes to the custoemr database to add the new mortgage productA% information in customer profiles etc.T   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.514 ************************