1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 17 Sep 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 516       Contents:. Re: Another SPAMer farming c.o.v for addresses. Re: Another SPAMer farming c.o.v for addresses' Re: COPY bug with remote task as input. ' Re: COPY bug with remote task as input. ( cURL for 7.12.1 for OpenVMS is available# Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # RE: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. + Re: Is there any Info-Vax traffic any more? % Re: Maximum distance for VMS clusters % Re: Maximum distance for VMS clusters  Re: Mozilla vulnerabilities  Re: Mozilla vulnerabilities 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation 1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.  Re: Starting XDM Re: Starting XDM Re: Starting XDM Re: Starting XDM( Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX( Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX( Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX( Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX( Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX( Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX( Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX( Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX( Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX( Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX( Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX( Re: VAX 6000 series wanted for collector( Re: VAX 6000 series wanted for collector Re: VAX Question (Hardware)  Re: VAX Question (Hardware) % Wanted:  KZPCM-DA Rev. B01 or higher! 4 Re: Why is BACKUP slow if you backup into a saveset?A Re: Yet another reason to sell packaged VMS clusters of all sizes   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:47:04 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>7 Subject: Re: Another SPAMer farming c.o.v for addresses + Message-ID: <2qucedF13pmh5U1@uni-berlin.de>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:, > I assume everyone else here got SPAMed by / >      TOM GUGGER <tgugger@buckeye-express.com>  > too. >   0 Twice here. Both times in quoted-printable HTML.  ? > It amazes me how anyone connected to the INTERNET today could ; > be so ignorant to not realize that if they are legitimate @ > business, SPAMing is the quickest way to cut their own throat.9 > Oh well, now they have an entry in the FTC UCE Databse.  >   E How true. What gets me is how people fail to realise how much damage  + they can do to their image by such tactics.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:45:11 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>7 Subject: Re: Another SPAMer farming c.o.v for addresses + Message-ID: <414A2586.BDA9019C@comcast.net>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > + > I assume everyone else here got SPAMed by / >      TOM GUGGER <tgugger@buckeye-express.com>  > too.  7 I only got the c.o.v. post in my newsreader (Netscape).   H Did you get something direct from him, and not from the list (info-vax)?   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:03:49 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 0 Subject: Re: COPY bug with remote task as input., Message-ID: <4149D584.6599E959@teksavvy.com>   John Laird wrote: 5 > Press any key to continue or any other key to quit.   F I can't find the "any" key on my keyboard. What can I do to continue ?   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Sep 2004 18:26:49 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)0 Subject: Re: COPY bug with remote task as input.+ Message-ID: <2qu479F13fi0iU1@uni-berlin.de>   , In article <4149D584.6599E959@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > John Laird wrote: 6 >> Press any key to continue or any other key to quit. > H > I can't find the "any" key on my keyboard. What can I do to continue ?  & You need to buy an "Any Keyboard"(tm).B I used to have a few of them and may still have one in the storageA closet.  I ought to look and put a picture on my web page as this , problem comes up every once in a while.  :-)   bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2004 18:06:34 -05004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)1 Subject: cURL for 7.12.1 for OpenVMS is available 3 Message-ID: <h6d24tQ6JQjO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   A The latest version of cURL, 7.12.1, for OpenVMS has been released  and is available for download.  5 The location is http://curl.haxx.se/download.html#VMS   A The zip files contain executables and objects built with OpenSSL, = hpSSL and without SSL support.  The files are in architecture  specific zips.  > This is the binary and object library distribution of the cURLB 7.12.1 release.  The source distribution is also available on the > cURL site and should be easily buildable as I checked the VMS   changes back into the main code.  A The OpenSSL and noSSL versions are self-contained in that you can A run these programs without any other software on the system.  For A the hp SSL version, you will need to have hp's SSL V1.1-A product @ installed.  This version doesn't support hp's SSL on IA64, since( the machine I compile on didn't have it.  B  HW Type  VMS Version   Compiler Vers   SSL Library      FilenamesD --------+--------------+---------------+----------------+-----------D  Alpha  | OpenVMS 7.3  | DEC C 6.5-001 | OpenSSL 0.9.7d | .*_opensslB  Alpha  | OpenVMS 7.3  | DEC C 6.5-001 | hpSSL 1.1-A    | .*_hpsslB  Alpha  | OpenVMS 7.3  | DEC C 6.5-001 | No SSL support | .*_nosslD  IA64   | OpenVMS E8.2 | hp C X7.1-145 | OpenSSL 0.9.7d | .*_opensslB  IA64   | OpenVMS E8.2 | hp C X7.1-145 | No SSL support | .*_nosslD  VAX    | OpenVMS 7.3  | DEC C 6.4-003 | OpenSSL 0.9.7d | .*_opensslB  VAX    | OpenVMS 7.3  | DEC C 6.4-003 | hpSSL 1.1-A    | .*_hpsslB  VAX    | OpenVMS 7.3  | DEC C 6.4-003 | No SSL support | .*_nossl  H For those who don't know what cURL is, here is the blurb from their main page...   ;     Curl is a command line tool for transferring files with :     URL syntax, supporting FTP, FTPS, HTTP, HTTPS, GOPHER,4     TELNET, DICT, FILE and LDAP. Curl supports HTTPS5     certificates, HTTP POST, HTTP PUT, FTP uploading, 7     kerberos, HTTP form based upload, proxies, cookies, <     user+password authentication, file transfer resume, http9     proxy tunneling and a busload of other useful tricks.   C I haven't tested all the features, since I only use the library for F HTTP(S) stuff via C programs.  It does compile and link cleanly on all the platforms outlined above.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:15:28 +0100 < From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>, Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.6 Message-ID: <414a1051$0$22763$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  J "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_remove__s._harrison@s_u_n.com> wrote in message * news:ciboao$94g$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > Tom Linden wrote: I >> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:15:47 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  1 >> <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:  >> >>> Bob Ceculski wrote:  >>> ? >>>> fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in message  > >>>> news:<f30679fb.0409140422.7bda23de@posting.google.com>... >>>>L >>>>> Furthermore Sun offers a variety of products and services, through theI >>>>> HP Away program, that make it easy for HP customers to migrate to a * >>>>> Sun platform with an assured future. >>>> >>>> >>>>B >>>> How does sun offer an assured future?  They could go bankrupt >>>> at any minute!  >>> 8 >>> Hard to imagine since we have over 6 billion in cash8 >>> but please feel free to explain why you have reached >>> your conclusion. >> >>; >> With that much cash, I am sure Carly would sell you VMS.  >> > . > To sell it she would first need to recognise > that it exists.  > 	 > Regards  > Andrew  	 She does.   4 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/images/carleton.jpg   Alex   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2004 16:53:14 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski), Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0409161553.7e5986de@posting.google.com>   t Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__s._harrison@s_u_n.com> wrote in message news:<ciboao$94g$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > . > To sell it she would first need to recognise > that it exists.  > 	 > Regards  > Andrew  9 sun certainly knew what it was when Palmer had everything 6 up for sale ... just think what sun could have been if6 your fearless ceo had the vision to buy alpha and vms!9 Now your fate is sealed ... you can hold out on that cash 8 for awhile, but not forever!  Just think, with alpha EV86 and OpenVMS sun could have rivaled IBM ... now you are' just another x86 boat anchor vendor ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:25:24 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future., Message-ID: <414A2EF3.C498F9C3@teksavvy.com>   Alex Daniels wrote: 0 > > To sell it she would first need to recognise > > that it exists.    > She does.  > 6 > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/images/carleton.jpg  K Not necessarily.  The plates are facing away from her, it doesn't mean that N she actually saw what was written on them :-)  And maybe on the other side, it= was written "Microsoft" on one, and "Intel" on the other. :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:09:40 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>, Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.* Message-ID: <414A3953.5080107@prodigy.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Alex Daniels wrote:  > / >>>To sell it she would first need to recognise  >>>that it exists. >  >  >>She does.  >>6 >>http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/images/carleton.jpg >  > M > Not necessarily.  The plates are facing away from her, it doesn't mean that P > she actually saw what was written on them :-)  And maybe on the other side, it? > was written "Microsoft" on one, and "Intel" on the other. :-)     F I bet I could make them say anything you like with Photoshop and a few minutes.   --  D The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:13:30 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> , Subject: RE: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB45D05C@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20 " > Sent: September 16, 2004 8:25 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com - > Subject: Re: From Sun: HP-UX has no future.  >=20 > Alex Daniels wrote: 2 > > > To sell it she would first need to recognise > > > that it exists.  >=20
 > > She does.  > >=208 > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/images/carleton.jpg >=20> > Not necessarily.  The plates are facing away from her, it=20 > doesn't mean that @ > she actually saw what was written on them :-)  And maybe on=20 > the other side, it? > was written "Microsoft" on one, and "Intel" on the other. :-)  >=20  * JF - check out the shirt Carly is wearing.   :-)   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:48:27 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>4 Subject: Re: Is there any Info-Vax traffic any more?+ Message-ID: <414A264B.24928CE9@comcast.net>    > "Farrell, Michael" wrote:  > C > I haven't received anything in a few weeks now.  Is the newsgroup  > still active?    Yes. Try Google Groups.    D.J.D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:41:56 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> . Subject: Re: Maximum distance for VMS clusters3 Message-ID: <EMn2d.10941$OH6.8909@news.cpqcorp.net>     > Is this US or nautical miles ?  @ 'One if by land, two if by sea'? In this case, it's by land. :-)  - > How was that number decided ? Is it more or O > less some random number, or does latency grow significantly beyond this point   I Although some leading-edge companies were doing disaster tolearance with  G OpenVMS Clusters using 10-megabit Ethernet in the '80s, more attention  I focused on the topic (and the term "Disaster Tolerance" was first coined  H at Digital) when FDDI, with its ability to do 40 kilometers (the non-US G kilometer, just to be clear here :-) ) brought the first capability to  I put a safer degree of distance between sites (by the way, today FDDI can  1 do as much as 125 km). That happened around 1991.   G The number was a conservative number picked at the time, presumably to  G limit the extent of risk in what was officially supported. The concern  G was with regard to the latency due to speed of light over distance and  8 its potential adverse effect on application performance.  K > ? Shouldn't the specs be updated to specify latency instead of distance ?   B Probably. Send cards and letters to the Product Manager, Andy dot  Schneider at hp dot com.  J > Wouldn't latency also be affected by the telecom infrastructure itself ?  I In my experience, distance seems to swamp any equipment delays, once you   get beyond 25 miles or so.   >  ForO > instance, with fibre links, isn't there a need to regenerate the signal every O > 60km or so ? Does this add latency, or is signal regeneration more of a light P > amplification as opposed to some bridge reading one end of a fibre and spewing8 > out the same regenerated packets to some other fibre ?  H Active amplification in optical mode is used -- no need to convert from  optical to electrical and back.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:21:12 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Re: Maximum distance for VMS clusters, Message-ID: <414A2DF7.ED0D1FC7@teksavvy.com>   Keith Parris wrote: " > > Is this US or nautical miles ? > B > 'One if by land, two if by sea'? In this case, it's by land. :-)  N Actually, since the advent of GPS systems, land distances are done in nautical
 miles first.    N The KM was devised as the following: 10,000 km from equator to north pole on a line that crosses Paris.  M The nautical mile is even simpler: 1/60th of a degree of longitude at equator % (with 360 degrees around the earth)..   J (These definitions have changed in recent times with the metre now definedN officially as the distance travelled by light in a specific amount of time and' the nm defined as 1852 metres exactly).   I Because GPS calculates everything as angles, from radians/angles, you get L nautical miles first, and from there, you convert easily to metres (precise)  or to US miles (not so precise).  M Note that outside the USA and England, the US mile has absolutely no meaning, G and mentioning a "mile" refres to a nautical mile. Since Digital was an E international company, it should have been sensitive to those issues.   I > Active amplification in optical mode is used -- no need to convert from ! > optical to electrical and back.   @ Ok, so the fibre repeaters don't add to latency. (or do they ?).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:53:08 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>$ Subject: Re: Mozilla vulnerabilities+ Message-ID: <2qucppF13f71fU1@uni-berlin.de>    Rich Jordan wrote:& > http://secunia.com/advisories/12526/ > F > Looks like nearly all versions of Mozilla prior to the 1.7.3 versionE > released yesterday, plus firefox and thunderbird are impacted.  The * > site does not provide any example links. > F > I won't have access to Mozilla or CSWS under VMS for a few days.  IsF > there any info on impact to these products under VMS?  Or any chance8 > that we'll see a port of the maintenance update 1.7.3? >   @ But meanwhile, running Mozilla from an account without elevated F privileges seems a sensible course of action, if perchance you hadn't  thought of it.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:41:02 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) $ Subject: Re: Mozilla vulnerabilities( Message-ID: <cid19e$bjj$1@pcls4.std.com>  , Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:  G >> Looks like nearly all versions of Mozilla prior to the 1.7.3 version F >> released yesterday, plus firefox and thunderbird are impacted.  The+ >> site does not provide any example links.  >>  G >> I won't have access to Mozilla or CSWS under VMS for a few days.  Is G >> there any info on impact to these products under VMS?  Or any chance 9 >> that we'll see a port of the maintenance update 1.7.3?  >>    A >But meanwhile, running Mozilla from an account without elevated  G >privileges seems a sensible course of action, if perchance you hadn't   >thought of it.   H Yes.  On VMS when run from an unprivileged account the worst that should= happen is the image would crash and burn and leave VMS alone.   F On the other hand, perhaps the browser could be taken over and someoneD could steal your files so perhaps Mozilla should be run from its ownI account.  That way all they could steal are things like your cookies and   cached web pages.  --   -Mike    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Sep 2004 18:48:26 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com : Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation+ Message-ID: <cicn5q0nnd@enews2.newsguy.com>   * John S. <j.simakauskas@comcast.net> wrote:M > For OS9 and OSX MacSSH appears to works well but  I haven't spent a lot of   > time with it. It is freeware.   H How well do the keymappings work?  Does it include Keypad support?  What+ about support for Double Hieght Characters?    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:19:50 -0700 " From: "Joe Silagi" <joesi@wrq.com>: Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulationD Message-ID: <ppu2d.7766$NC6.1165@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>  E Customers who purchase a maintenance agreement have access to product E patches and other protected files.  Here is a link that describes the  benefits of maintenance:* http://support.wrq.com/programs/maint.html   -joe  @ "Eric Dittman" <dittman@jeeves.int.dittman.net> wrote in message$ news:yA12d.8193$5t4.4864@trnddc01...# > Joe Silagi <joesi@wrq.com> wrote: 
 > > <plug> > E > > Take a look at WRQs Reflection terminal emulator.   Supports VT52  through D > > VT5xx, telnet, SSH (1 and 2), integrated VBA, plus lots more.... > & > Does WRQ still charge for bug fixes? > --   > Eric Dittman > dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:03:51 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG: Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation0 Message-ID: <00A37FA8.64B95DD2@SendSpamHere.ORG>  i In article <ppu2d.7766$NC6.1165@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>, "Joe Silagi" <joesi@wrq.com> writes: F >Customers who purchase a maintenance agreement have access to productF >patches and other protected files.  Here is a link that describes the >benefits of maintenance: + >http://support.wrq.com/programs/maint.html  >  >-joe    Does it run on a Mac?    --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:16:36 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing): Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation6 Message-ID: <00A37F91.0123DED5@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  F In article <cicj6h03t@enews3.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:N >Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing <winston@ssrl.slac.stanford.edu> wrote:K >> I'm still on MacOS 9, no OSX experience,  but I've been quite happy, 364 E >> days of the year, with "Nifty Telnet + SSH", which is pretty solid I >> freeware.  (Didn't work with the OSU SSH, but works fine with Multinet L >> SSH, and with the fullsize Mac keyboard has keys pretty much in the place >> you expect them.) > K >Before switching to Mac OS 9 I always used Nifty Telnet (didn't get ssh on ! >VMS until after moving to OS X).  > K >Since I've moved to OS X, I've found that the best solution seems to be an K >xterm under X-Windows running with a modified .Xmodmap.  Terminal.app with J >10.3 is suprisingly close to being there, but I've been unable to get theJ >keyboard mapped right.  Other solutions that are close to being there are< >iTerm (freeware) and dataComet Secure (commercial product). > K >> One major caveat: It doesn't think you should work on Christmas day, and > >> bad things happen if you try to make a connection that day. >  >Are you serious?!?!  M I am.  Two years in a row, attempts to use Nifty Telnet + SSH on December 25  L resulted in the configured shortcuts getting replaced with gibberish.  SinceJ I do 99% of my connection to work via DECnet Phase V over IP from an AlphaL workstation at home, it's easy enough to just not use it on Christmas.  (But- it doesn't give me a warm and happy feeling.)    -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:47:02 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.+ Message-ID: <2qu8trF144frcU1@uni-berlin.de>     VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  K > The ALPHALK2.EXE is the ONLY file on the machine and IT FREAKIN' WORKS!!! J > I want to know where it gets this name on the PeeCee side.  There are noK > VAXLINK2.EXE programs on this system.  Forget the other issue I am trying J > to debug -- the ALPHALK2.EXE program works but I cannot figure out whereK > in this damn thing to set it.  All I can find out is that there is a spot ! > where RUN VAXLINK2 is declared.  > 6 > RECALL proves that the command sent is RUN ALPHALK2. >   D If you can get the relevant PC images onto a VMS system (that could G involve .DLL as well as .EXE images and who knows what else), then you  H can use SEARCH and DUMP. All bets are off if it's getting the name from E the Windows registry, though someone else might know better than moi.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:55:27 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.+ Message-ID: <2qu9dkF10tgg9U1@uni-berlin.de>    Doc. wrote: C > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG,  wrote in news:00A37E7E.72B0074A@SendSpamHere.ORG  >  > > >>In article <4147B15E.D38B65CA@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera& >><djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  >  > F >>>I know how you "love" Micro$hit, but try to stay calm and deal withG >>>it. Many of your colleagues out here do it everyday just to survive. " >>>It can be done - you can do it! >  > H >>I have been but, sheesh, the evening Guinness consumption is at an allG >>time high as a result.  I guess Micro$hit is good for the distillery, G >>winery and brewery businesses if all my colleagues are using it every  >>day. >  > ; > It *could* be worse... Microsoft could start making beer.  > H They already do, under the name BASS. Think monopoly which buys all the H the pubs in a small village, albeit under different company names, then - forces you to drink their inferior offerings.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:11:27 +0100 < From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.6 Message-ID: <414a0f60$0$22759$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  ; "John Laird" <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote in message  2 news:qd5jk0l1ujgbeukt396md1uaiio8eg86kk@4ax.com...E > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:32:56 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > 7 >>In article <4147B9C8.9D7CFC8@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei  ( >><jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:$ >>>VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:5 >>>> <me> banging head again the concrete walls </me>  >>> G >>>Have you considered setting up a login.com to fake the dollar sign,  
 >>>accept any L >>>command, then invoke the right image no matter what command the remote PC& >>>thinks it has sent to the VMS box ? >>J >>That's not the point.  IT IS running the right image and files are beingK >>transferred.  I simple do not know where the RUN ALPHALK2 comes from when 4 >>all of the PeeCee side of things say RUN VAXLINK2. > M > I guess your $IMGACT intercept would tell you if the emulator was emitting   > a J > RUN VAXLINK2 command (which failed) followed by a RECALL/ERASE and a RUN# > ALPHALK2 command (which worked) ?  > F > If not, I do not think there are any clues from a typical VMS login 
 > sequence > as to processor architecture.  <SNIP>  L While customisable and not on every VMS box. There certainly are 'clues' on  a 'typical' VMS login sequence.   E I believe both SYS$ANNOUNCE and SYS$WELCOME by default, display this   information.   Alex     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:38:30 +0200 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> Subject: Re: Starting XDM + Message-ID: <2qu50dF13b5c4U1@uni-berlin.de>   7 "Steven Schoch" <schoch@spamcop.net> schreef in bericht ) news:cicjn6$2aef$1@news.mainstreet.net... F > I want to connect to my VMS 7.3-1 system using XDMCP, so I ran this: >  > $ @tcpip$config  >    [snip]  I > The TCPIP$CONFIG script specified /USER=TCPIP$XDM in the TCPIP command,   > but that didn't seem to stick. >  > --   > Steve   H you need to configure XDM. Set def to sys$specific:[tcpip$XDM] (could be ..$xdmp)L and copy the files called *.template to *.txt. One file (servers.txt?) needs to hold the name" or IP addresses of valid Xservers.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:11:24 -0700 ( From: Steven Schoch <schoch@spamcop.net> Subject: Re: Starting XDM / Message-ID: <cid34s$2fkg$1@news.mainstreet.net>    Hans Vlems wrote:   J > you need to configure XDM. Set def to sys$specific:[tcpip$XDM] (could be
 > ..$xdmp)N > and copy the files called *.template to *.txt. One file (servers.txt?) needs > to hold the name$ > or IP addresses of valid Xservers.  D already did that.  XSERVERS.TXT holds the name or IP addresses of X . servers that DON'T support the XDMCP protocol.  C The problem I'm having is that TCPIP won't even start XDM.  If the  G problem was missing/bad files in [TCPIP$XDM] then XDM would generate a  	 log file.    --   Steve    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:24:48 -0700 ( From: Steven Schoch <schoch@spamcop.net> Subject: Re: Starting XDM / Message-ID: <cid7eg$2h1r$1@news.mainstreet.net>    Hans Vlems wrote:   9 > "Steven Schoch" <schoch@spamcop.net> schreef in bericht + > news:cicjn6$2aef$1@news.mainstreet.net...  > F >>I want to connect to my VMS 7.3-1 system using XDMCP, so I ran this: >> >>$ @tcpip$config   @ I found the problem was that the UCX license was in the license E database, but hadn't been loaded for some reason.  One I ran LICENSE  3 LOAD UCX, then TCPIP$CONFIG.COM worked as expected.   G Now TCPIP$XDM is running, and the XDM config files seem to be correct,  I but I can't get a response from an X terminal program running on Windows  ' (X-Win32 from StarNet www.starnet.com).    --   Steve    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:32:48 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Starting XDM , Message-ID: <414A30AE.5E341941@teksavvy.com>   Steven Schoch wrote:H > Now TCPIP$XDM is running, and the XDM config files seem to be correct,J > but I can't get a response from an X terminal program running on Windows) > (X-Win32 from StarNet www.starnet.com).   N You need to take a good look at the logs. The VMS XDM server lacks handling ofL opopular MIT Cookies authentication, and as a result, you don't get service.  M What you can try however is to define the specific terminals (ip adresses) in A one of the  xdm config files xservers.TXT and add a line such as:     terminal.chocolate.com:0 foreign    2 One other way of serviciung known terminals is to:   set display/create/executive then:  mc decw$startlogin   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:30:26 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>1 Subject: Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX . Message-ID: <4149A382.12090.3A3391A@localhost>  $ On 16 Sep 2004 at 10:58, E.S. wrote:4 > Are any version for the itanium platform planned ?D > I was under the impression, that HP thinks of the IA64 as the only* > viable server platform for the future ..  B Not true.  That's only for the high-end, gazillion-processor, big E bucks systems.  HP is committed to the x86 platform for Windows.  In  D fact, HP just added AMD processors as an option in Proliant servers.  E CHARON-VAX is about 10% faster on AMD than Intel at the same MHz, by  
 the way...  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:34:44 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>1 Subject: Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX - Message-ID: <4149A484.3806.3A72656@localhost>   ) On 16 Sep 2004 at 8:22, Tom Linden wrote: 0 > What are the license fees, both to SRI and HP?  / As far as I know, HP's position hasn't changed.   A Although I can't discuss pricing in an open forum, customers are  C seeing payback in just a few years vs. forever-increasing hardware   maintenance contract costs.   > As is the case for most of my existing CHARON-VAX customers...
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:33:04 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 1 Subject: Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX ( Message-ID: <opsefm5eh3zgicya@hyrrokkin>  I On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:34:44 -0400, Stanley F. Quayle <squayle@insight.r= 
 r.com> wrote:   + > On 16 Sep 2004 at 8:22, Tom Linden wrote: 1 >> What are the license fees, both to SRI and HP?  > 1 > As far as I know, HP's position hasn't changed.   B So, still $1500 for the transfer?  And if you don't have a VAX VMS enterprise license to transfer.    > B > Although I can't discuss pricing in an open forum, customers areD > seeing payback in just a few years vs. forever-increasing hardware > maintenance contract costs.  > @ > As is the case for most of my existing CHARON-VAX customers... > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------/ > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 5 > 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 2 > stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:57:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX , Message-ID: <4149E1F8.8F4ED267@teksavvy.com>   "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote:F > CHARON-VAX is about 10% faster on AMD than Intel at the same MHz, by > the way...  J Is this a CPU issue, or just that AMD motherboards are more performant and! thus a better match for the CPU ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:12:49 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 1 Subject: Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX ' Message-ID: <4149E5B1.2040500@MMaz.com>    Tom Linden wrote:   8 > On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:34:44 -0400, Stanley F. Quayle ! > <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote:  > , >> On 16 Sep 2004 at 8:22, Tom Linden wrote: >>2 >>> What are the license fees, both to SRI and HP? >> >>2 >> As far as I know, HP's position hasn't changed. >  > D > So, still $1500 for the transfer?  And if you don't have a VAX VMS! > enterprise license to transfer.C  H Well, the opens the 'ol can of worms with regards to what DEC/Compaq/HP F have charged for VMS in general, over all these years...  Rather than I using VMS as a vehicle to move hardware, services, and application/layer a2 products software, it has been a revenue stream...     Barry-   -- n  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:12:05 -0700u# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>o1 Subject: Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAXo( Message-ID: <opsefoyfgczgicya@hyrrokkin>  I On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:12:49 -0700, Barry Treahy, Jr. <Treahy@MMaz.com> =a wrote:   > Tom Linden wrote:m >v8 >> On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:34:44 -0400, Stanley F. Quayle" >> <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote: >>- >>> On 16 Sep 2004 at 8:22, Tom Linden wrote:i >>>s3 >>>> What are the license fees, both to SRI and HP?  >>>t >>>g3 >>> As far as I know, HP's position hasn't changed.  >> >>E >> So, still $1500 for the transfer?  And if you don't have a VAX VMSw" >> enterprise license to transfer. >tI > Well, the opens the 'ol can of worms with regards to what DEC/Compaq/H=p PeG > have charged for VMS in general, over all these years...  Rather than0I > using VMS as a vehicle to move hardware, services, and application/lay=e er4 > products software, it has been a revenue stream...  G I understand your point, but isn't the real value in VMS, which happens0 to run on certain HW?l >t >  > Barryu >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:27:48 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>1 Subject: Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX - Message-ID: <4149B0F4.5590.3D7BCE3@localhost>-  ( On 16 Sep 2004 at 14:57, JF Mezei wrote:H > > CHARON-VAX is about 10% faster on AMD than Intel at the same MHz, by > > the way... > H > Is this a CPU issue, or just that AMD motherboards are more performant' > and thus a better match for the CPU ?n  C In the Certified Professionals meeting at HP World, the gurus said ME some things run faster on AMD, and some things run faster on Intel.  t No one knows why.t  C Now that you can get a Proliant either way, get the AMD one.  Same   price, I think...o  
 --Stan Quaylez Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363o3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USAF0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:50:14 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>-1 Subject: Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAXa, Message-ID: <4149EE6F.23F7A133@teksavvy.com>  N If the charon product emulates a 6000 computer, why would there be any licenceL transfer fees if you are moving from one 6000 to another 6000 machine within the same organisation ?T   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:23:20 -0400o2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>1 Subject: Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAXv. Message-ID: <4149BDF8.20458.40A94C0@localhost>  ( On 16 Sep 2004 at 15:50, JF Mezei wrote:H > If the charon product emulates a 6000 computer, why would there be anyG > licence transfer fees if you are moving from one 6000 to another 6000o( > machine within the same organisation ?  D Because DEC/Compaq/HP has always charged something to move licenses - around, unless you paid for a "site license".-    
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363R3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA20 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:53:16 +0100e< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>1 Subject: Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAXy6 Message-ID: <414a0b1d$0$22752$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  > "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote in message ( news:4149544F.28535.26DD78F@localhost...A >I told you to stay tuned -- SRI announces today that you can now D > replace your VAX 6610, 6620, and 6630's with CHARON-VAX.  Details: > 7 >    http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/CHVX_66xx.htm  >l <SNIP>   The page you reference says..g  G >CHARON-VAX/66x0 running OpenVMS/VAX can replace not only the VAX 6000  < >family but any >large and most modern mainframe VAX systems   Can it replace my VAXft boxes?   Alex 4   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2004 19:30:29 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s1 Subject: Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX 3 Message-ID: <DpLqzu6B$cBy@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  u In article <414a0b1d$0$22752$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> writes:o   > The page you reference says..  > H >>CHARON-VAX/66x0 running OpenVMS/VAX can replace not only the VAX 6000 = >>family but any >large and most modern mainframe VAX systemsi >   > Can it replace my VAXft boxes?  A I doubt it, but a VAXft is not large (and no VAX system is reallyd' modern, with Firewire, USB, AGP, etc.).    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:46:43 -0500l2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>1 Subject: Re: VAX 6000 series wanted for collectorp+ Message-ID: <414A25E3.EC0DFC74@comcast.net>V   "Mr. Phil" wrote:l > G > I have a friend who is looking to acquire a VAX 6000-XXX (any model).pL > He collects old computers and wants to play with and get familiar with theN > VAX architecture.  If anyone out there knows of one that is being discarded,1 > please contact me at: admin@demanufacturing.comS   See recent posts on this group.p   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:28:01 GMTC, From: "Mr. Phil" <admin@demanufacturing.com>1 Subject: Re: VAX 6000 series wanted for collector : Message-ID: <B4r2d.232683$bp1.199399@twister.nyroc.rr.com>  L I looked but didn't see anything pertaining to my request.  Could you pleaseE point me in the direction of the message I'm looking for?  Either I'mhI missing it, or it's cycled off the newsgroup.   Any help would be greatly  appreciated.   Thanks.w   -Phili  ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in messagem% news:414A25E3.EC0DFC74@comcast.net...t > "Mr. Phil" wrote:u > >iI > > I have a friend who is looking to acquire a VAX 6000-XXX (any model).uJ > > He collects old computers and wants to play with and get familiar with thesE > > VAX architecture.  If anyone out there knows of one that is beingi
 discarded,3 > > please contact me at: admin@demanufacturing.coml > ! > See recent posts on this group.' >e > D.J.D.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:16:42 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)n$ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware)( Message-ID: <cicvrq$tba$3@pcls4.std.com>  G From perusing web pages the 3 phases of a VAX 6000 power supply go intocH a 3 phase full wave rectifier (6 diodes), so feeding it with 240V singleG phase should work fine (4 diode full wave bridge), with the third phase_G ignored/disconnected.  Some of the diodes are actually SCRs, apparentlyoC for voltage regulation (so the thing could be run on European powersJ (400V vs. 208V)  But apparently _which_ two phases you choose is importantH since control circuitry runs off of one of them so if you pick the wrong two it won't power up. -- > -Mike:   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:34:32 -0500r2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>$ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware)+ Message-ID: <414A2308.108D7E57@comcast.net>    "James T. Sprinkle" wrote: > 8 > "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message# > news:41475BBF.7040801@MMaz.com...t > > James T. Sprinkle wrote: > >aK > > >Hi!  I have seen on the internet that it is possible to get a VAX 6000tN > > >series machine to run using a Dryer outlet for power.  Has anyone had anyN > > >luck with this?  I am not at all good with electrical work, so if someoneL > > >can explain the process in fairly simple terms how to do the conversion > orL > > >if there is a plug adapter available, please let me know where to look. > > >Thanks in advance!6 > > >0 > > >: > > >0I > > Presuming you are from the US, your dryer is probably a 240V circuit.aG > > I'm pretty sure that if your 6000 enclousure is a H9653, that has am( > > 208V, three phase power requirement. > M > Not sure on the enclosure, but the person I am getting it from says it is a  > model 63AMB-YE.w  F Pat Jankowiak of the DFW group once posted info. on how to convert theH three-phase VAX power supply setup to accept 220VAC-1Ph. I won't attempt= to digest it here. Try Googling for hobbyist vax 6000 or some @ combination of such keywords. Also, see the Montagar User Pages:  " http://www.montagar.com/users.html http://www.montagar.com/~patj/   D.J.D.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2004 11:50:42 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski). Subject: Wanted:  KZPCM-DA Rev. B01 or higher!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0409161050.79160dab@posting.google.com>y  8 list your email or phone here and I will contact you ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:15:52 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>= Subject: Re: Why is BACKUP slow if you backup into a saveset?n+ Message-ID: <2que4dF14dek1U1@uni-berlin.de>.   Dale Dellutri wrote:M > On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:29:31 +0200, Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote:  > I >>There is a big difference time between a file to file backup and a filelH >>to saveset backup. Does any body know the reason? Here some data aboutG >>the system: OpenVMS V7.3-1 AXP, two disks 73GB LVD SCSI, DS20 (double H >>processor 500MHz) with 2.25GB Memory, XFC enabled and activated and no >>other I/O on this SCSI bus.s >  > = > You don't give any details about timing differences or the  H > characteristics of the files being backed up, so I can only speculate. > I > The major difference between a file-to-file and saveset backup is that  H > a saveset backup is creating one file that has to grow as backup runs. > F > Perhaps the growth of one saveset file has a bigger penalty than theE > creation of many files of small size (relative to a saveset file). l? > What are your RMS defaults /BLOCK_COUNT and /EXTEND_QUANTITY?s > C > Another possibility is high-water marking on the drive.  Perhaps rF > file-to-file places files in existing free space on the drive below : > the high-water mark, but a saveset needs space above it. >   H FWIW I have usually found that file to file backup can be significantly G slower than backup to a saveset, so as others suggest, I'd look at the cB RMS defaults or fragmentation on the target disk. Also check your ? process quotas, as if they are too small, that will also limit  I performance - is this system perhaps using a SYSUAF which was originally uD created on a VAX? If so, the quotas could be too small for an Alpha.  
 Viel Glck   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:59:48 +0200y* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>J Subject: Re: Yet another reason to sell packaged VMS clusters of all sizes+ Message-ID: <2qud69F14gcj0U1@uni-berlin.de>e   John Smith wrote:yH > Too bad there aren't many apps left to sell on it though. All the more4 > reason for HP not to advertise and market OpenVMS. > 6 > "HP's Self-Fulfilling Prophecy". Fiorina, Carly(tm).2 > HP 'What Me Worry?' Press. Palo Alto, 2001-2004. >  >  > E > http://www.storagepipeline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=47205066a >  > September 14, 2004 > * > Disaster Recovery Planning Grows, Slowly >  >  >  > By Storage Pipeline L > The good news is that more companies are taking seriously the need to planN > for disaster recovery. The bad news is that only 38 percent have any kind ofN > plan in place to keep them operating in the event of disaster or disruption,K > according to a Veritas-sponsored survey conducted by Dynamic Markets Ltd. N > The survey sample consisted of 1,258 IT professionals from around the world. > M > Enterprises and end-user organizations have plenty of incentive to plan formM > disasters and business disruptions. According to the survey, 51 percent hadtM > to activate their DR plans this year, compared with 33 percent in 2003. ThehJ > most common reason for activating DR--problems with hardware or softwareI > failures--was reported by 37 percent of respondents. But companies also J > reported external threats like viruses and hackers (26 percent); naturalM > disasters (14 percent); internal threats, whether accidental or intentionalnM > (13 percent); and man-made disasters such as war or terrorism (10 percent).  > J > In addition, 40 percent of respondents said they had no idea how long itN > would take to achieve normal or even skeletal operations in the wake of someL > kind of natural disaster destroying their data center. Only 3 percent saidN > they could carry on with business as usual right away, while 28 percent saidK > they could resume skeletal operations in less than 12 hours. And it takesaJ > companies more than 72 hours on average to establish skeletal operations/ > following a major fire is more than 72 hours.  > I > The potential business impact from a disaster included reduced employeecL > productivity (62 percent), reduction in profits (40 percent) and damage toK > customer relationships (38 percent). And only 44 percent use some kind ofsD > data restoration or backup software for DR purposes, Veritas said. >   F I forget the numbers, but over the years various surveys have claimed F that  a very large percentage of companies who experience significant ? data loss go out of business within a year or two of the event.n   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.516 ************************reading one end of a fibre and spewing8 > out the same regenerated packets to some other fibre ?  H Active amplification in optical mode is used -- no need to convert from  optical to electrical and back.    ----------------------B/Cu.ںafpυ1
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