1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 17 Sep 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 517       Contents: ACCVIO reason mask bits  Re: ACCVIO reason mask bits  Re: ACCVIO reason mask bits  Re: ACCVIO reason mask bits  Re: Alpha EV7 keyring . Re: Another SPAMer farming c.o.v for addresses' Re: COPY bug with remote task as input. 4 FA: Many MORE DEC Books and Manuals for Sale on eBay# Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. # Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future. ( Re: HP gets 290 million defense contract insufficient virtual memory  Re: Mozilla vulnerabilities  Re: OT: IVAN and New Orleans Re: OT: IVAN and New Orleans Re: OT: IVAN and New Orleans1 Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulation = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future. = Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.  Re: Starting XDM( Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX( Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX( Re: VAX 6000 series wanted for collector Re: VAX Question (Hardware)  Re: VAX Question (Hardware)  Re: VAX Question (Hardware)  RE: VAX Question (Hardware) ? Web site for more details on the European Technical Update Days 4 RE: Why is BACKUP slow if you backup into a saveset?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:59:15 -0400 $ From: Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com>  Subject: ACCVIO reason mask bitsJ Message-ID: <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE8605AED1E4@lespaul.process.com>  8 I'm trying to get some hints from an ACCVIO reason mask,; generated with alarming regularity from one of my programs. 5 (The mask varies, depending on what input data I try. 3 I'm trying to write, but I've seen masks indicating 5 a read (at least I remember what one bit does), which 1 I take to be some kind of read-before-write, this  being an Alpha anyway.)   6 I can't seem to find a description of what the reason 2 mask bits are, but I remember seeing it somewhere,4 in the distant past.  Seems like it should be in the IDSM, but I can't find it.  - Any pointers? (VMS V7.1 through V7.3, Alpha.)    Thanks, 
 Mike Duffy   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:26:27 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>$ Subject: Re: ACCVIO reason mask bitsB Message-ID: <414b1033$0$18552$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Mike Duffy wrote: : > I'm trying to get some hints from an ACCVIO reason mask,= > generated with alarming regularity from one of my programs. 7 > (The mask varies, depending on what input data I try. 5 > I'm trying to write, but I've seen masks indicating 7 > a read (at least I remember what one bit does), which 3 > I take to be some kind of read-before-write, this  > being an Alpha anyway.)  > 8 > I can't seem to find a description of what the reason 4 > mask bits are, but I remember seeing it somewhere,6 > in the distant past.  Seems like it should be in the > IDSM, but I can't find it. > / > Any pointers? (VMS V7.1 through V7.3, Alpha.)  > 	 > Thanks,  > Mike Duffy >     & $  HELP/message/facility=SYSTEM ACCVIO  6   ACCVIO,  access violation, reason mask='xx', virtual<            address='location', PC='location', PSL='xxxxxxxx'  (    Facility:     SYSTEM, System Services   Explanation:= An image attempted to read from or write to a memory location 5 that is protected from the current mode. This message > indicates an exception condition and is followed by a register; and stack dump to help locate the error. The reason mask is 9 a longword whose lowest 5 bits, if set, indicate that the = instruction caused a length violation (bit 0), referenced the = process page table (bit 1), attempted a read/modify operation 8 (bit 2), was a vector operation on an improperly aligned= vector element (bit 3), or was a vector instruction reference   to an I/O space address (bit 4).  < This message is also displayed when an attempt has been made= to make the user stack larger than the user's virtual address > space permits. For example, the automatic user stack expansion8 algorithm reports an access violation with the following: two conditions (which should serve as hints that automatic expansion has failed):    ?   o The reason mask has the low-order bit set. This indicates a =     memory reference that is not described in any page table.   <   o The relatively small P1 address space virtual address is     referenced.      User Action:< Examine the PC and virtual address displayed in the message.< The virtual address is often the address to which the access8 attempt was made. However, in the case of vector-related< access violations and in some processor implementations, the> reported virtual address may be some other address in the same= page as that address to which the access was attempted. Check : the program listing to verify that instruction operands or% procedure call arguments are correct.   < If this message is displayed because of insufficient virtual: memory for automatic user stack expansion, reduce the user7 stack requirements of the image or increase the virtual 9 address space available to the process in which the image  is executed.     Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:01:43 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>$ Subject: Re: ACCVIO reason mask bitsB Message-ID: <414b1877$0$26115$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   Mike Duffy wrote:   : > I'm trying to get some hints from an ACCVIO reason mask,= > generated with alarming regularity from one of my programs. 7 > (The mask varies, depending on what input data I try. 5 > I'm trying to write, but I've seen masks indicating 7 > a read (at least I remember what one bit does), which 3 > I take to be some kind of read-before-write, this  > being an Alpha anyway.)  > 8 > I can't seem to find a description of what the reason 4 > mask bits are, but I remember seeing it somewhere,6 > in the distant past.  Seems like it should be in the > IDSM, but I can't find it. > / > Any pointers? (VMS V7.1 through V7.3, Alpha.)  > 	 > Thanks,  > Mike Duffy >     C You wouldn't happen to be any relation to James F. Duff? He has an  B excellent explanation of how to "locate runtime errors in OpenVMS  applications code" at...   e i g h t - c u b e d . c o m 2 http://www.eight-cubed.com/articles/traceback.html   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:30:34 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>$ Subject: Re: ACCVIO reason mask bitsB Message-ID: <414b1f3a$0$18556$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Mike Duffy wrote:   : > I'm trying to get some hints from an ACCVIO reason mask, <SNIP> > Mike Duffy >   H The more detailed explanation in the OpenVMS Programming Concepts Manual
 is here...< http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/5841/5841pro_026.html   Cheers once again!   Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:38:37 -0500 ' From: Dave Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com>  Subject: Re: Alpha EV7 keyring8 Message-ID: <91qlk0taostmg0nran72aqimroitnks4pq@4ax.com>  F On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:24:52 +0200, Soterro <soterroatyahoocom> wrote:   >Hello,  > + >Hopefully this is not too much offtopic...  > 8 >I just unearthed from my lab an HP keyring with an EV7 F >dye/wafer/footprint/something frozen in amber. I mean 'keys' like in H >'where the heck did I put those darn keys'. I remember getting it like M >1-2 years ago from a company which was (and still is) heavily promoting VMS.  > H >Did anybody see something similar? Whose idea was it? On one side it's = >cool, on another creepy like looking at some holy remains...   B I have 2 of them.  The first I got at a DECUS/CETS/HPETS show whenF they were introducing the Marvel systems.  They had a prototype GS1280F on the floor and were talking about the architecture.  After the talk,' they gave everyone one of the keyrings.   C The other I got from my friendly, local neighborhood VMS Ambassador  about 6 months later.    >  >S     Dave Harrold    N ..............................................................................N David Harrold                                 E-Mail: David.Harrold@aurora.orgN Lead Software Systems Engineer                 Phone:           (414) 647-6204N                                                Pager:           (414) 941-4634N Aurora Health Care                               Fax:           (414) 647-4999 3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Sep 2004 12:26:26 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)7 Subject: Re: Another SPAMer farming c.o.v for addresses + Message-ID: <2r03fhF14gec4U2@uni-berlin.de>   + In article <414A2586.BDA9019C@comcast.net>, 5 	David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>  , >> I assume everyone else here got SPAMed by0 >>      TOM GUGGER <tgugger@buckeye-express.com> >> too.  > 9 > I only got the c.o.v. post in my newsreader (Netscape).  > J > Did you get something direct from him, and not from the list (info-vax)? >   E Yes, I am not subscribed to info-vax (at least not as far as I know!) E In any case, it was typical SPAM same To: and From: address.  Sent to ? somenone who is not his customer, unsolicited.  Total scum-bag.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2004 07:18:33 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 0 Subject: Re: COPY bug with remote task as input.3 Message-ID: <4zIxBItadYk1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <4149D584.6599E959@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > John Laird wrote: 6 >> Press any key to continue or any other key to quit. > H > I can't find the "any" key on my keyboard. What can I do to continue ?  G    You an purchase "any" keys at many computer retailers to add to your     keyboard.   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Sep 2004 17:27:54 GMT' From: swmoretp@aol.comnospam (SWMORETP) = Subject: FA: Many MORE DEC Books and Manuals for Sale on eBay : Message-ID: <20040917132754.27025.00000898@mb-m13.aol.com>  K We have many Digital Equipment Corporation books and manuals for auction on / eBay and as Buy It Now items in our eBay store.   4 AUCTIONS: (ending September 21, 7pm US Pacific Time)
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 5121272797: Digital's Telecommunications/Networks Buyer's Guide, 1990           ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:45:01 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>, Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future., Message-ID: <414A6BCD.1060307@tsoft-inc.com>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:    4 > So Digital was about to go bust and was only saved > by Compaq.   I hate to read that bullshit.   N If DEC had been run by a believer, who could also be a realist, it could have M trimmed the losing business, concentrated on the winning business, and still   would be around today.  M Instead we got Palmer, who sold pieces not on their performance, but on what  F Compaq didn't want.  Really surprised that Alpha and VMS stuck around.  . Oracle is apparently making good money on RDB.   VMS has always been profitable.   @ DEC PCs were expensive, but quality.  First thing Compaq dumped.  $ Kissing Microsoft's ass was a loser.   NT was a loser.    Unix was, I've read, a loser.   = Yeah, it would have been a smaller company, but substainable.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 02:11:26 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future., Message-ID: <414A7FF5.E8101DC2@teksavvy.com>   David Froble wrote: O > If DEC had been run by a believer, who could also be a realist, it could have N > trimmed the losing business, concentrated on the winning business, and still > would be around today.    I instead of "trimmed losing business", it should have "fixed problems that * caused some divisions to be unprofitable".  H > Compaq didn't want.  Really surprised that Alpha and VMS stuck around.  L Remember that Plamer had already given on on both, but financials started toG degenerate so quickly, Palmer was forced to stop dumping VMS and Alpha.   B > DEC PCs were expensive, but quality.  First thing Compaq dumped.  J Actually, the Kanata (Ontario, Canada) assembly plant was churning out notL only quality hardware, but also was one of the ore efficient plants in northM america, more efficient than any of plants used by Compaq. It was closed very J quickly during the merger process. (Compaq didn't want to own any plants).   > Unix was, I've read, a loser.   N That is debatable. I thik Tru64 could have been a serious contender and drivenF HpUX into thr ground if it had been properly markleted and ifd DEc had% attarcted significant software to it.   ? > Yeah, it would have been a smaller company, but substainable.   M No, DEC didn't need to be a smaller company. It needed to be a more efficient P company with a competitive mentality and accept that its competition was wintel.   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Sep 2004 12:19:37 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon), Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.+ Message-ID: <2r032pF14gec4U1@uni-berlin.de>   = In article <d7791aa1.0409161553.7e5986de@posting.google.com>, + 	bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: v > Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__s._harrison@s_u_n.com> wrote in message news:<ciboao$94g$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... >>  / >> To sell it she would first need to recognise  >> that it exists. >>  
 >> Regards	 >> Andrew  > ; > sun certainly knew what it was when Palmer had everything 8 > up for sale ... just think what sun could have been if8 > your fearless ceo had the vision to buy alpha and vms!; > Now your fate is sealed ... you can hold out on that cash : > for awhile, but not forever!  Just think, with alpha EV88 > and OpenVMS sun could have rivaled IBM ... now you are) > just another x86 boat anchor vendor ...    You mean like HP?    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2004 12:18:07 -05004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt), Subject: Re: From Sun:  HP-UX has no future.3 Message-ID: <ltQfLuQTRqmy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   M In article <414A3953.5080107@prodigy.net>, CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net> writes:  > JF Mezei wrote:  >> Alex Daniels wrote: >>  0 >>>>To sell it she would first need to recognise >>>>that it exists.  >>   >>   >>>She does. >>> 7 >>>http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/images/carleton.jpg  >>   >>  N >> Not necessarily.  The plates are facing away from her, it doesn't mean thatQ >> she actually saw what was written on them :-)  And maybe on the other side, it @ >> was written "Microsoft" on one, and "Intel" on the other. :-) >  > H > I bet I could make them say anything you like with Photoshop and a few
 > minutes.  F All you would have to do is white out the "Live Free Or" part off the . top of the plates.  Die! Tru64!  Die! OpenVMS!   ;^}    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:26:26 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> 1 Subject: Re: HP gets 290 million defense contract 8 Message-ID: <o2ilk0prvccgnabvv2388nsscce6l0n7kl@4ax.com>  K On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:26:32 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  wrote:   >> http://www.nyse.com/cgi-bin/ny_news?df=NY&r=S&sym=HPQ&sl=ON-09/15-17:19-1134|ON-09/15-17:07-1119|ON-09/15-16:38-1100|BW-09/15-07:45-320|BW-09/15-07:45-319|&sp=4  >  >Sorry for wrap in URL.   M Why not use http://tinyurl.com when posting mammoth URLs. As a service to our D readers I have already been there & created http://tinyurl.com/6d3l9   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:16:27 +0000 (UTC) 0 From: John F <john@SeeSigForAddress.invalid.com>$ Subject: insufficient virtual memory, Message-ID: <cierjr$jbc$1@reader1.panix.com>  3 Running cc on a VS4000/90 with 64MB physical memory 5 under vax/vms 7.3 works fine on "small" source files, ) but fails on an 8K line source file, with 2   Compiler abort - virtual memory limits exceeded. Google gave me,   http://www.jcameron.com/vms/em12.htm   and0   http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_7268.html  and I checked MGMT39 in the faq.  2 It sounded like PGFLQUOTA would solve the problem,/ but playing with authorize and autogen resulted 0 in the compiler getting stuck in a compute-bound. loop -- no buffered or direct i/o and 100% cpu utilization.  , An earlier version of the code with about 7K0 source lines compiled (and continues to compile)2 fine.  But the extra 1K or so lines in the current4 version seems to be the straw that broke the camel's/ back.  Unfortunately, splitting the source into * several separate modules wouldn't be easy.-     Any suggestions how I can get the one big  file to compile?  Thanks,  --   John Forkosh@      .-.     .-.     .-.     .-.     .-.     .-.     .-.     .-.A \ j-/-o-\-h-/-n \ @ / f-\-o-/-r-\-k-/-o-\-s-/-h \ . / c-\-o-/-m \ A  '-'     '-'     '-'     '-'     '-'     '-'     '-'     '-'         ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:35:59 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>$ Subject: Re: Mozilla vulnerabilities+ Message-ID: <2r0b2jF153frtU1@uni-berlin.de>    Michael Moroney wrote:. > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: >  > G >>>Looks like nearly all versions of Mozilla prior to the 1.7.3 version F >>>released yesterday, plus firefox and thunderbird are impacted.  The+ >>>site does not provide any example links.  >>> G >>>I won't have access to Mozilla or CSWS under VMS for a few days.  Is G >>>there any info on impact to these products under VMS?  Or any chance 9 >>>that we'll see a port of the maintenance update 1.7.3?  >>>  >  > B >>But meanwhile, running Mozilla from an account without elevated H >>privileges seems a sensible course of action, if perchance you hadn't  >>thought of it. >  > J > Yes.  On VMS when run from an unprivileged account the worst that should? > happen is the image would crash and burn and leave VMS alone.  > H > On the other hand, perhaps the browser could be taken over and someoneF > could steal your files so perhaps Mozilla should be run from its ownK > account.  That way all they could steal are things like your cookies and   > cached web pages.   E To put that into context, I am posting from Mozilla on a VMS system,  E using an account with minimum privileges (TMPMBX and NETMBX), and my  H reply address goes to a different account, also with minimum privileges.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:38:04 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>% Subject: Re: OT: IVAN and New Orleans , Message-ID: <414AE8BC.5040704@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:    > John Smith wrote:  > N >>I think it is this month's issue of National Geographic magazine which makesK >>the case of global warming's impact on costal areas quite clear. And it's A >>hard to predict how any change in coastal area temepeatures wil @ >>change/modify the frquency and intensity of tornado formation. >> > N > You can't use "global warming" in advertising in the USA. You'd alienate tooN > many people who are conviced global warming is just some tree hugger virtual% > problem designed to weaken the USA.  > M > But you could say something like "forecasters predict hurricane season will ) > continue to strenghten over the years".  >   N If there is really global warming, why am I experiencing lukewarm summers and K cold winters?  In 'normal' years we can see 20+ days in June at or over 90  M degrees F.  I doubt there were more than 2 this year.  Last year sucked also.   M It may not be a case of how warm, as much as where it's warm.  El Nino years   suck in the NE USA.   L What's wrong with appriciating trees?  I appriciate the oxygen they produce.  N You may like bashing the USA, but I think that many third world countries, in 7 actual practice, care a lot less about the environment.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Sep 2004 14:45:20 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)% Subject: Re: OT: IVAN and New Orleans + Message-ID: <2r0bk0F1562csU1@uni-berlin.de>   , In article <414AE8BC.5040704@tsoft-inc.com>,+ 	David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >> John Smith wrote: >>  O >>>I think it is this month's issue of National Geographic magazine which makes L >>>the case of global warming's impact on costal areas quite clear. And it'sB >>>hard to predict how any change in coastal area temepeatures wilA >>>change/modify the frquency and intensity of tornado formation.  >>>  >>  O >> You can't use "global warming" in advertising in the USA. You'd alienate too O >> many people who are conviced global warming is just some tree hugger virtual & >> problem designed to weaken the USA. >>  N >> But you could say something like "forecasters predict hurricane season will* >> continue to strenghten over the years". >>   > P > If there is really global warming, why am I experiencing lukewarm summers and M > cold winters?  In 'normal' years we can see 20+ days in June at or over 90  O > degrees F.  I doubt there were more than 2 this year.  Last year sucked also.   K We had one up here.  Add to that the fact that the permafrost line has (and K continues to) moved quite a bit further south in the past two decades.  Ask J your Inuit in northern Quebec about it.  Oh yeah, I also understand it hasH already started to snow in parts of Ontario a lot closer to Toronto thanL the residents like to see.  And then there was the Edmonton-Calgary FootballK game.  It's only September and no one was wearing shorts and T-shirts.  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2004 11:25:17 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) % Subject: Re: OT: IVAN and New Orleans 3 Message-ID: <u5SvSawb3JG9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <414AE8BC.5040704@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > P > If there is really global warming, why am I experiencing lukewarm summers and M > cold winters?  In 'normal' years we can see 20+ days in June at or over 90  O > degrees F.  I doubt there were more than 2 this year.  Last year sucked also.   B    "global warming" is of course, a misnomer.  Adding energy to anA    unstable system may tend to make the temperature go up, but it D    will certinaly cause all kinds of other havoc, like providing the6    energy needed to push more artic cold down our way.   > P > You may like bashing the USA, but I think that many third world countries, in 9 > actual practice, care a lot less about the environment.   C    And we need something like the Kyoto protocol, without the Kyoto A    protocol's problems, to fix that.  I'm not too upset that Bush E    wouldn't uphold the Kyoto protocol, but he hasn't done anything to     put a better one in place.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:22:55 -0700 " From: "Joe Silagi" <joesi@wrq.com>: Subject: Re: Recommendations for secure terminal emulationD Message-ID: <uoJ2d.7923$NC6.7392@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>  , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A37FA8.64B95DD2@SendSpamHere.ORG...K > In article <ppu2d.7766$NC6.1165@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>, "Joe  Silagi" <joesi@wrq.com> writes: H > >Customers who purchase a maintenance agreement have access to productH > >patches and other protected files.  Here is a link that describes the > >benefits of maintenance: - > >http://support.wrq.com/programs/maint.html  > >  > >-joe  >  > Does it run on a Mac?   ) Reflection for the Web (java-based) does.   More details are available here:+ http://www.wrq.com/products/reflection/web/    -joe       >  > --  > > http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security? >                       solutions that others only claim to be.  > --  . > Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:E >   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software  product! > --  2 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:07:36 +0100 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.8 Message-ID: <34alk0120n6c3ajkir7mvuqsqalovbtsii@4ax.com>  2 On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:11:27 +0100, "Alex Daniels". <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> wrote:   >(Vax/Alpha) > M >While customisable and not on every VMS box. There certainly are 'clues' on    >a 'typical' VMS login sequence. > F >I believe both SYS$ANNOUNCE and SYS$WELCOME by default, display this 
 >information.   L And are very often the first things to be customised.  SYS$ANNOUNCE is oftenK set to something innocuous or security-related.  SYS$WELCOME reflects local L systems info.  However, once I'd reminded myself of recall/erase, I realisedF the emulator could do just about anything before firing up the desired$ image, and leave little or no trace.   --  < Never forget that your weapon is made by the lowest bidder.    Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2004 07:21:48 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.3 Message-ID: <FYsNR9jdQWLH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <2qu8trF144frcU1@uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: > F > If you can get the relevant PC images onto a VMS system (that could I > involve .DLL as well as .EXE images and who knows what else), then you  J > can use SEARCH and DUMP. All bets are off if it's getting the name from G > the Windows registry, though someone else might know better than moi.   @     While it is quite possible that some code inside the WindowsB    program is sending a different command than what is being shownD    on the configuration window, the question remains how the WindowsD    program knows that it's talking to an Alpha and therefor needs to    override the command.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2004 07:24:30 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.3 Message-ID: <njuN1rstN4BH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   u In article <414a0f60$0$22759$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> writes:  > N > While customisable and not on every VMS box. There certainly are 'clues' on ! > a 'typical' VMS login sequence.  > G > I believe both SYS$ANNOUNCE and SYS$WELCOME by default, display this   > information.  C    I control my SYS$ANNOUNCE and my SYS$WELCOME.  Any product which     relies on either is SOL.   E    Is it possible that an f$getsyi is being snuck in but not noticed, H    Or that the software is connecting to some other port first and doing    a query?    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:52:40 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGF Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.0 Message-ID: <00A38024.880D7EE4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  q In article <njuN1rstN4BH@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: v >In article <414a0f60$0$22759$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> writes: >>  O >> While customisable and not on every VMS box. There certainly are 'clues' on  " >> a 'typical' VMS login sequence. >>  H >> I believe both SYS$ANNOUNCE and SYS$WELCOME by default, display this  >> information.  > D >   I control my SYS$ANNOUNCE and my SYS$WELCOME.  Any product which >   relies on either is SOL. > F >   Is it possible that an f$getsyi is being snuck in but not noticed,I >   Or that the software is connecting to some other port first and doing  >   a query?  J I don't know shit about Weendoze other than that the second you put one onK a network it is infected with malicious code purported to be more malicious J than Weendoze itself; therefore, the PeeCee is not on my network directly.I It is connected via an ethernet-ethernet router (a netopia R910 -- fairly J cheap but robust enough for my uses).  This router is then connected to myL T1 router and routes configured to permit access to ONLY the inside network.J There is ONLY one port open on the R910 -- port 23 outgoing.  There are noJ ports open for inbound access to the PeeCee.  The console port on the R910J has never shown anything traversing this route other than the Reflection's TELENT connection.  J I don't permit access to my VMS systems via TELNET normally.  All accountsJ on my machines have been modified /NOREMOTE.  To allow the Reflection con-I nection (since their LAT doesn't work) via TELNET, I first log in and set J the non-privied account /REMOTE.  I then log in and immediate set the non-I privied account back to /NOREMOTE.  I'm fairly confident in this scenario H that Reflection does NOT make any connection to other ports to determine what architecture is in use.     -- S< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.a -- t, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! e -- tK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMm   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:03:32 -0400m* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>F Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.; Message-ID: <28C2d.160945$_h.159386@bignews3.bellsouth.net>    Bob Koehler wrote:  Z > In article <2qu8trF144frcU1@uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: > F >>If you can get the relevant PC images onto a VMS system (that could I >>involve .DLL as well as .EXE images and who knows what else), then you eJ >>can use SEARCH and DUMP. All bets are off if it's getting the name from G >>the Windows registry, though someone else might know better than moi.p >  > B >     While it is quite possible that some code inside the WindowsD >    program is sending a different command than what is being shownF >    on the configuration window, the question remains how the WindowsF >    program knows that it's talking to an Alpha and therefor needs to >    override the command.  F Just put a network sniffer on one of the segments used for the telnet I connection between the Alpha system and the PC and then capture a packet iM trace of the telnet session, including the WRQ file transfer activity.  This -H will tell you exactly what Reflections is sending to the host system to I initiate the file transfer.  Doing anything short of network sniffing in DB this case will leave you uncertain as to what is really happening.     -- n Chuck ChoppC  8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2004 11:21:59 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)oF Subject: Re: Sequel to: I'm giving up computers if this is the future.3 Message-ID: <bu$dwoeKCbhL@eisner.encompasserve.org>'  h In article <28C2d.160945$_h.159386@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> writes: > H > Just put a network sniffer on one of the segments used for the telnet K > connection between the Alpha system and the PC and then capture a packet 4O > trace of the telnet session, including the WRQ file transfer activity.  This  J > will tell you exactly what Reflections is sending to the host system to K > initiate the file transfer.  Doing anything short of network sniffing in aD > this case will leave you uncertain as to what is really happening.  C    It is possible that WRQ is using the TELNET escape character andaC    PUSH command to start a subprocess which actually does somethingaF    like f$getsyi, that would not show up in the parent process' recall
    buffer.  G    I've looked and I don't see anything in the TELNET escape processing 3    command set which would reveal the architecture.    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:39:39 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Starting XDMa0 Message-ID: <newscache$65z64i$uxj$1@news.sil.at>  Z In article <cicjn6$2aef$1@news.mainstreet.net>, Steven Schoch <schoch@spamcop.net> writes:E >I want to connect to my VMS 7.3-1 system using XDMCP, so I ran this:t >e >$ @tcpip$config   Which is the way to go...e   >Enter configuration option: 3 >wK >   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Server Components Configuration Menu  >  >   Configuration options: >fO >     1 - BIND         No Server Licens      12 - NTP          Disabled Stoppede  I "No Server License" means you haven't got PAK "UCX" (or "NET-APP-SUP-200"2F or "NET-APP-SUP-250" or "NET-APP-SUP-300" or "NET-APP-SUP-400") loaded. (but only "UCX-IP-CLIENT" or NET-APP-SUP-150).   >Enter configuration option: 21s8 >Invalid configuration option selected, please try again >mH >It doesn't seem to take anything more than 9, and even when I use "A", = >it still runs into the "Invalid configuration option" error.o  ? There have been quite a lot of bugs also in this area of TCPIP.h9 Please upgrade to the latest ECO and/or version of TCPIP.   H >So, being impatient, I dug through the TCPIP$CONFIG.COM DCL program to G >figure out how it enables XDM.  I created the necessary files and ran i( >the TCPIP command, but now I have this: >s >$ TCPIP >TCPIP> show version >:9 >   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3g6 >   on a AlphaStation 400 4/233 running OpenVMS V7.3-1 >c >TCPIP> show service XDM/full, > 
 >Service: XDMt0 >                            State:     DisabledH >Port:              177     Protocol:  UDP             Address:  0.0.0.0J >                            User_name: not defined     Process: TCPIP$XDM >h >TCPIP> enable service XDM0 >%TCPIP-E-STARTERROR, error starting XDM service8 >-TCPIP-E-BADVALUE, value Service User_name is incorrect >-RMS-E-RNF, record not foundy0 >%TCPIP-E-STARTERROR, error starting XDM service >-RMS-E-RNF, record not foundm >TCPIP>c >sI >The TCPIP$CONFIG script specified /USER=TCPIP$XDM in the TCPIP command,   >but that didn't seem to stick.t  N Did you also see, that the procedure creates the corresponding accounts, too ?  N May I again suggest upgrade to V7.3-2 (with umpteen ECOs) and TCPIP V5.4 ECO2.D There is improvement in OpenVMS, no need to stick at old versions...   -- e Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialistA E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2004 07:15:45 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o1 Subject: Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAXe3 Message-ID: <Rj4RH8RprzjZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <4149544F.28535.26DD78F@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes:oC > I told you to stay tuned -- SRI announces today that you can now DD > replace your VAX 6610, 6620, and 6630's with CHARON-VAX.  Details: > 8 >     http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/CHVX_66xx.htm > * > My web page is being updated, and is at: > * >     http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html > D > The 6630 product on a quad AMD Opteron will yield about ~230 VUPs.  E    Any new Charon-VAX "processors" supported on VMS Alpha?  Last timesA    I looked the Alpha based emulator was emulating a pretty smallr    VAX.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:41:13 -0400j2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>1 Subject: Re: VAX 6000 replacement with CHARON-VAX . Message-ID: <414AB139.22159.7C0C9F8@localhost>  * On 17 Sep 2004 at 7:15, Bob Koehler wrote:G >    Any new Charon-VAX "processors" supported on VMS Alpha?  Last timeCH >    I looked the Alpha based emulator was emulating a pretty small VAX.  , Not yet.  As I've said before, "stay tuned".  
 --Stan Quayle- Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363d3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USAg0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:59:25 +0100 E From: Tim ffrench-Lynch <tim-DOT-ffrench-HYPHEN-lynch@baesystems.com> 1 Subject: Re: VAX 6000 series wanted for collectora. Message-ID: <414ADFAD.4BEFA17E@baesystems.com>  # > > See recent posts on this group.  > >e
 > > D.J.D.   "Mr. Phil" wrote:r > N > I looked but didn't see anything pertaining to my request.  Could you pleaseG > point me in the direction of the message I'm looking for?  Either I'mwK > missing it, or it's cycled off the newsgroup.   Any help would be greatlyr > appreciated. > 	 > Thanks.  >  > -Philg  C Probably refers to the post below, try google groups if it has lefts your newgroup server.t   Tim2  % Subject:  Re: VAX Question (Hardware)h' Date:     Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:50:45 GMTv From:     "James T. Sprinkle" D Thanks to everybody who responded.  Looks like I should have written sooner. F I now own the 6000-610...just have to go pick it up.  Maybe I will see ifF someone here in the Seattle, WA area is interested in it for trade for a ' more "managable" system.  Thanks again!r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:31:26 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>$ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware)* Message-ID: <414AE72E.90101@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:    > Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > H >>  You do realize that a VAX 6000 is comparatively huge (145cm H x 78cmI >>  W x 76cm D), excruitatingly slow (particularly the VAX 6000 processorGK >>  modules that are cheap/free; 2.8 VUPS or so), exceedingly power-hungry,-I >>  a prodigious generator of heat (over 5000 BTUs per hour, depending ons >>  the configuration; >> > P > In other words, a very efficent central heating system that can also calculate! > pi to infirnity :-) :-) :-) :-)  > M > In fairness, one must consider the REAL power consumption. For instance, myoM > all mighty microvax II is supposed to be on a 30 amp fuse. It isn't. And itaP > doesn't need to be. You see, because the cabinet allows for 2 RA8x drives, theP > specs specify 30 amps to handle those 2 drives. The microvax II itself doesn't > consume that much power. > K > So, if you're not going to load the 6000 to the brim, I suspect the powern7 > consumption wouldn't generate the 5000 BTUs per hour.e >   Q Doesn't really matter.  At least where I live, if you're a business and you need yN 3-phase power, expect to pay much more than for regular service.  Call up the N electric company asking for 3-phase in a home and they'll probably just laugh.  I The cost of 3-phase service is why so many manchine shops and such use a u( converter, as mentioned in another post.   Dave   -- i4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roado Vanderbilt, PA  15486i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:24:40 +0200u! From: Soterro <soterroatyahoocom>r$ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware): Message-ID: <414b013a$0$5451$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>   JF Mezei wrote:oP > In other words, a very efficent central heating system that can also calculate > pi to infirnity   + VAX 6000. Central heating you can count on..   S    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2004 10:59:23 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)B$ Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware)3 Message-ID: <XYtwIjp9$Now@eisner.encompasserve.org>4  U In article <414AE72E.90101@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:u  S > Doesn't really matter.  At least where I live, if you're a business and you need uP > 3-phase power, expect to pay much more than for regular service.  Call up the P > electric company asking for 3-phase in a home and they'll probably just laugh.  C It depends where you live.  I prefaced a question to an electriciandC about adding something (different) at home with "you probably don't3B get many requests for this..." and he interrupted with "I can do 3
 phase power."b   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:27:36 -0400e# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>e$ Subject: RE: VAX Question (Hardware): Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDOEKKFJAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]+ > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:59 AMO > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com1& > Subject: Re: VAX Question (Hardware) >r >19 > In article <414AE72E.90101@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble1 > <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:- >OG > > Doesn't really matter.  At least where I live, if you're a businessc > and you needD > > 3-phase power, expect to pay much more than for regular service.
 > Call up theIF > > electric company asking for 3-phase in a home and they'll probably
 > just laugh.  >lE > It depends where you live.  I prefaced a question to an electricianaE > about adding something (different) at home with "you probably don'tcD > get many requests for this..." and he interrupted with "I can do 3 > phase power."e  J He can but can the power company?  The PC here charges almost double for aO second single phase service.  I inquired about adding a second 200A 3ph servicerE for my shop buildings and discovered the rate for a second meter at a J residential address is charged at the commercial rate. The 3phase rate wasP another increase over that and required an engineering study to determine how/ifO they could get 3ph to our xfrmr and at what (my) cost. A far bettter option wasoO to "heavy up" my 200A to 400A and build a phase converter. I've not done a costeO analysis but I'm guessing the length of time needed to amortize the 3ph servicejL vs. the cost and power loss inefficiencies of the phase converter exceeds myI life expectancy ;-) Now if I could just get the noise level down a bit...a   Dan  >b >    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Sep 2004 10:47:11 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)eH Subject: Web site for more details on the European Technical Update Days= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0409170947.2a1cd89f@posting.google.com>t  C For additional information on the European OpenVMS Technical Updatet& Days please visit the OpenVMS Web page  ? "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/events/EXTERNALCALENDARBYDATE.HTML" o  A as more information is received this web page will be updated.   e  
 Warm Regards,l Sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:25:02 +0200s( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>= Subject: RE: Why is BACKUP slow if you backup into a saveset?b3 Message-ID: <001401c49c7f$10c2fb90$994614ac@wat153>    Hallo,   Glenn Everhart wrotes:   >>>eG Think about it a bit. File to file backup has to open every output file:H which means finding places in indexf and directory for it, finding emptyF disk space, setting up FCB and window blocks, directory lookup, and inH the end closing, including update bitmap and indexf and indexf bitmap...H When writing saveset, only some data blocks need be written, most of theH time not needing to allocate space etc., certainly not needing directory* lookup. Many less operations --> faster... <<<,  G Sorry, that I did not write it clear enaugh. The file to saveset backup D needs much more time (8GB file to file ~20min, file to saveset three hours).    TIA and best regards R. Wingertt   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.517 ************************mber that Plamer had already given on on both, but financials started toG degenerate so quickly, Palmer was forced to stop dumping VMS and Alpha.   B > DEC PCs were expensive, but quality.  First thing Compaq dumped.  J Actually, the Kanata (Ontario, Canada) assembly plant was churning out notL only quality hardware, but also was one of the ore efficient plants in northM america, more efficient than any of plants used by Compaq. It was closed very :t?ï0EZƀuiO]&=C䑉f|t&
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