1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 23 Sep 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 529       Contents:> Re: 1920x1200 resolution with VMS and the HP L2335 LCD monitor) Re: AlphaServer DS10L - IDE disk question ) Re: AlphaServer DS10L - IDE disk question ) Re: AlphaServer DS10L - IDE disk question D Backing up system disk from Alpha CD,  how to mount system properly?H Re: Backing up system disk from Alpha CD,  how to mount system properly? BIND resolver library  Re: C file operations  Re: C file operations  Re: C file operations  Re: C file operations  Re: C file operations  Re: C file operations , Re: Can YOU save the Hubble Space Telescope?, Re: Can YOU save the Hubble Space Telescope?@ Re: Does anyone use Compaq C++ V6.5 on Alpha seriously with STL? HTTP proxy server for VMS? Re: HTTP proxy server for VMS? Re: insufficient virtual memory 7 Let me own OpenVMS and I will destroy the linux market! ; Re: Let me own OpenVMS and I will destroy the linux market! ; Re: Let me own OpenVMS and I will destroy the linux market!  Re: Mapping UNIX File Names  Re: Off-the-wall CI Question Re: OT: Sun's fighting chance  Re: OT: Sun's fighting chance  Re: OT: Sun's fighting chance  Re: OT: Sun's fighting chance  Re: OT: Sun's fighting chance ? Re: PRODUCT INSTALL HANGS WITH LGI$LOGINOUT_CALLOUTS CONFIGURED ? Re: PRODUCT INSTALL HANGS WITH LGI$LOGINOUT_CALLOUTS CONFIGURED  Re: RMS and threads % Re: Sniffer Can't see cluster traffic % Re: Sniffer Can't see cluster traffic % Re: Sniffer Can't see cluster traffic % Re: Sniffer Can't see cluster traffic  Re: VMS on IBM's Itanium5 Re: Windoze not rebooted monthly shuts down airports! < Re: [DCL REQUEST] New ignore keyword for DIFFERENCES command< Re: [DCL REQUEST] New ignore keyword for DIFFERENCES command< Re: [DCL REQUEST] New ignore keyword for DIFFERENCES command< Re: [DCL REQUEST] New ignore keyword for DIFFERENCES command< Re: [DCL REQUEST] New ignore keyword for DIFFERENCES command< Re: [DCL REQUEST] New ignore keyword for DIFFERENCES command  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:16:22 GMT 3 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> G Subject: Re: 1920x1200 resolution with VMS and the HP L2335 LCD monitor : Message-ID: <GxD4d.1568$nj.631@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:B > "Vance Haemmerle" <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> wrote in messageH >>   I look forward to see what you think.  Especially as I read there's2 >>no VMS support for 1920x1200 on the Radeon 7500. >> >  > J > The Radeon driver table shows 1920 x 1200 at 60 and 70Hz in 8, 16 and 32 > (24) bit depths.  0 Which VMS version(s)/patch(es) is this true for?  @ The most recent list of supported resolutions I could find, fromE file RADEON_7500_README_VMS732.TXT in the VMS732_GRAPHICS-V0200 patch  does not list 1920x1200...  J                Table_2-1_Supported_Video_Modes____________________________   Monitor ; Resolution________RADEON_7500_Card_________________________     640x480           60, 72, 75, 85    800x600           60, 72, 75, 85    1024x768          60, 70, 75, 85    1024x864          60, 70, 75, 85   1152x864          60   1280x1024         60, 75, 85    1600x1200         60, 65, 75, 85   1920x1440         60, 75J                2048x1536_________60,_65,_70,_75___________________________  , The default video mode is 1024x768 at 70 Hz.    C >>   I guess my question is what is really the difference between a H >>1920x1200 and 1600x1200 analog signal and is the P350s video differentI >>between the two modes?  At a vertical refresh rate of 60Hz that means a I >>horizontal rate of 72KHz, not counting the vertical interval size.  The J >>monitor presets say 1600x1200 has a horizontal frequency of 75.00kHz butG >>the 1920x1200 has 74.56kHz.  If it was a regular CRT it would stretch H >>each line across the whole screen and wouldn't matter.  The LCD treats7 >>the modes differently depending what it thinks it is.  >> >  > ? > The P350 does 1920x1200 @ 24 bits at 60Hz with a dot clock of M > 94.727479MHz  - while it has a 75Hz mode, this exceeds the RAMDAC specs --  G > so it isn't really supported at 75Hz reliably (the dot clock would be  > 243.409349).  "    I guess you mean 194.727479MHz?  >    The monitor preset for this resolution and rate is 193.250.  C > 1600x1200 yields 161.795626MHz at 60Hz, and 202.500215MHz at 75Hz   I    This does closely match the monitor presets for these.  Pixel clock of & 162.00 MHz and 202.5 Mhz respectively.  <    When I use 1920x1200 @60Hz, the monitor mode display says      Resolution: 1600x1200    Horz Freq:  75.57 kHz    Vert Freq:  60 Hz  H    The Horizontal frequency of 75.57kHz  more closely matches the preset7 of 75.00 for 1600x1200 than the 74.56kHz for 1920x1200.   N > The R7500 on the other hand has a dot clock of 193.16MHz at 1920x1200 @60Hz. > N > [video timings are strange things.  i think the p350 timings pre-date a VESAE > standard.  in fact, i think the radeon timings were from a proposed  > standard]   H    Maybe that's the difference... the P350 isn't standard.  According toH the monitor specs, the stats for 1920x1200 is Horiz 74.56kHz, Vert 60Hz,G pixel clock 193.25 MHz.  Which pretty closely matches the R7500 but not 1 so closely the P350 (assuming you meant 194.727).   ;    So maybe the L2335 monitor will correctly see the R7500.     N > Check the output in DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG to verify that the server/driver; > set the mode you requested for 60Hz - and don't use 75Hz.    I've set the P350 correctly.  H Peregrine: Screen X 1920, Screen Y 1200, vsync 60 Hz, depth 24, density  75, 16-bit texels   D The file P300_350_V2_README.TXT doesn't say anything about not using@ 75Hz and in fact says to use the highest value supported by your* monitor (which is 60Hz for mine anyway)...   3.3 Supported Video Modes   C                The PowerStorm 300 and PowerStorm 350 each support a E                variety of video modes. The PowerStorm 350, with twice I                as much framebuffer memory as the PowerStorm 300, supports G                several additional modes. Compaq recommends that you set G                your refresh rate to the highest value supported by both E                the PowerStorm board and your monitor. Table 3-1 shows 7                which modes are supported by each board.   J                Table_3-1_Supported_Video_Modes____________________________  J                Resolution__PowerStorm_300___PowerStorm_350________________  ' 640x480     60, 72, 75       60, 72, 75   ' 800x600     72, 75, 85       72, 75, 85   9 1024x768    60, 70, 75, 76,  60, 70, 75, 76, 85, 100, 130               85   5 1152x864    60, 75, 85       60, 75, 85, 90, 100, 110   2 1280x992    N/A              85, 90, 100, 110, 120  8 1280x1024   60, 61, 66, 72,  60, 61, 66, 72, 73, 75, 85,/              73, 75, 85       90, 100, 110, 120   ' 1600x1200   N/A              60, 75, 85 J                1920x1200___N/A______________60,_75________________________  , The default video mode is 1280x1024 at 75Hz.    =    I remember reading a post of yours a while back to someone ; who was asking what would be better, a P350 or an R7500.  I = think you stated that the P350 had better support of multiple < pixel depth visuals and/or support for multiple simultaneous: colormaps.  I remember when I set the default visual class= to Pseudocolor it said that I would have to set the bit depth : to 8.  xdpyinfo still said I had 24-bit visuals though.  I: didn't have to set the bit depth to 8 on my ZLX-E2 to have8 PseudoColor and could have both 8-bit and 24-bit visuals5 on the same screen.  Does the R7500 has this ability?       Thanks for your time.   -- Vance Haemmerle    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:14:45 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>2 Subject: Re: AlphaServer DS10L - IDE disk question2 Message-ID: <citpkr$ehm$1@news1.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>  < I'm using two 80GB IDE disks in a DS10, and that works fine.   However be aware of two things:   P 1. The IDE controllers only support 33 MByte/sec in the DS10. I tried to get it M to run on 66 MByte/sec (different cabling, one pin missing), but that is not  	 possible.   J 2. You can not use Shadow software on IDE disks, so no software mirroring.       Gremlin wrote: > Thanks for that  > 3 > I guess that an 80-120Gb drive should be OK then? ? > "Paul A. Jacobi" <Paul.Jacobi@nospam.hp.com> wrote in message ( > news:4150a691$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > 0 >>"Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate> wrote in message+ >>news:415017ae$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...  >>= >>>Can a AlphaServer DS10L use a large IDE drive - say 200Gb?  >>J >>The SRM console and the VMS DQDRIVER has a 137Gb limit on IDE drives.  I1 >>don't know any plans to remove this limitation.  >>J >>Be aware that even Windows XP requires SP1 to support drives larger than< >>137Gb.  See http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-946929.html >> >> >> >>Paul A. Jacobi >>HP OpenVMS Systems Group >>Nashua, NH >> >> >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:10:24 +0400  From: stas <stas@amtel.ru>2 Subject: Re: AlphaServer DS10L - IDE disk question+ Message-ID: <citvkv$nk0$1@e22.peterstar.ru>    Gremlin wrote:  N > Can a AlphaServer DS10L use a large IDE drive - say 200Gb?  The manuals talkM > about 30Gb drives, but perhaps they are old enough not to know about larger B > ones?  Has anyone configured a DS10L with a large drive for VMS? >  > TIA  >  > J I am install 120GB maxtor, working OK under VMS 7.3-1 with latest patches. --- 	 Wbr, Stas    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:05:40 +1000 # From: "Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate> 2 Subject: Re: AlphaServer DS10L - IDE disk question/ Message-ID: <415291e4$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>    Thank you all for your help   I The answer would appear be to get a (max) 120Gb drive with 33Mb/s config, & use the right cable and then have fun!  ' "stas" <stas@amtel.ru> wrote in message % news:citvkv$nk0$1@e22.peterstar.ru...  > Gremlin wrote: > K > > Can a AlphaServer DS10L use a large IDE drive - say 200Gb?  The manuals  talkH > > about 30Gb drives, but perhaps they are old enough not to know about largerD > > ones?  Has anyone configured a DS10L with a large drive for VMS? > >  > > TIA  > >  > > L > I am install 120GB maxtor, working OK under VMS 7.3-1 with latest patches. > ---  > Wbr, Stas    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2004 05:40:35 -0700/ From: rcyoung@aliconsultants.com (Robert Young) M Subject: Backing up system disk from Alpha CD,  how to mount system properly? = Message-ID: <91437ce6.0409230440.6320e24d@posting.google.com>   A I am backing up the system disk on an Alpha to mag tape  by first , booting from the install CD (7.3-1 OpenVMS).  B However the instructions I have make it unclear whether the system? disk should be mounted "foreign" or not for the purposes of the C backup.  Since I don't want to mess it up, can anyone fill me in on  the proper setting?    I was planning on using....    init  mtu0:  sysbck 9 backup/image  source: mtu0:system.bck/rewind/label=sysbck    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:00:56 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>Q Subject: Re: Backing up system disk from Alpha CD,  how to mount system properly? + Message-ID: <2rfvoeF19opk5U1@uni-berlin.de>    Robert Young wrote: C > I am backing up the system disk on an Alpha to mag tape  by first . > booting from the install CD (7.3-1 OpenVMS). > D > However the instructions I have make it unclear whether the systemA > disk should be mounted "foreign" or not for the purposes of the E > backup.  Since I don't want to mess it up, can anyone fill me in on  > the proper setting?  >  > I was planning on using....  >  > init  mtu0:  sysbck ; > backup/image  source: mtu0:system.bck/rewind/label=sysbck     From HELP BACKUP/IMAGE          To use the /IMAGE E       command qualifier, you need write access to both the index file B       (INDEXF.SYS) and the bit map file (BITMAP.SYS), or the input"       medium must be write-locked.  8 This implies that you need the disk mounted normally, so% don't mount the disk /foreign. Either    $ mount source label   or   $ mount source /override=label  H The tape should be mounted /foreign. Backup will do this for you, but I I prefer to issue a separate mount/foreign first as a double check to make  ( sure I'm not overwriting the wrong tape.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 05:56:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: BIND resolver library8 Message-ID: <1095933172.gvP0OjNS34zzliqpzPuIPA@teranews>  K Since the VMS documentation didn't contain any mention of the bind resolver N library, I downloaded the BIND sources, only to find that the documentation is$ sketchy at best for those functions.  M (these functions is what is used by NSLOOKUP to get many types of information  back from a DNS server).  K Initially, I figured I would port that library to VMS, as a public service, M but the lack of documentation would make this rather painful, so I set out to N write my own set of routines that would do the transactiosn and parsing of the DNS replies.  D Got to a point where I started to write the code to estalish the UDPI connections, and having never done UDP, I looked at SYS$EXAMPLES. Low and G behold, I found a file called "resolv.h" which has VMS tailoring of the J resolver library.  And there is even a comment about John G having gone on vacation at one point :-) :-)   I Seems that the SMTP server makes use of those routines (to get MX records  translated to IP adresses).   J What a disaster, having spent/wasted so much time rolling my own because IO couldn't find something on VMS, only to find that it is there but well hidden.    F Has anyone ever used the resolver library on VMS ? Where did they findJ documentation that was good enough ?  In which shareable image are those C routines hidden ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:00:39 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: C file operations4 Message-ID: <ciudt7$g86$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   sms@antinode.org wrote: 2 > From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> > G >>Is ther a way (supported or otherwise) to get at the underlying file  " >>structures of standard C files ? >  > I >    Once upon a time, in FORTRAN (is it Fortran now?), I made use of the G > admirably convenient FOR$RAB() function, which takes a LUN and points G > you to the RAB (from which you can get to the FAB, et c.).  Ideal for > > doing most I/O the easy way, but still getting access to the > underlayment when needed.   6 Exactly what I want (the same as pas$fab/rab too ...).  E >    I dimly recall making repeated pleas in this forum for a c$rab() F > which would do the same for a C file descriptor.  Even more dimly, I? > recall one of the VMS wizards offering some workable (if less 9 > convenient) solution, but I have not found it anywhere.  >  >    Isn't that helpful?   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2004 07:34:58 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: C file operations3 Message-ID: <wXQm+WYNjmhx@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <ciudt7$g86$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes:  > 8 > Exactly what I want (the same as pas$fab/rab too ...).  H    Yeah, and I wanted VAX Fortran style built in access to keyed indexedF    files from the C RTL but nobody at DEC wanted to do that extension.      Something like 1       kscanf(FILE*, keyvalue, format string, ...)   8    Or maybe a format specifier that denotes a key value.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:15:21 GMT 5 From: "Ed Vogel" <edward.vogel_stop_the_spam.@hp.com>  Subject: Re: C file operations3 Message-ID: <J%z4d.11513$vO6.6511@news.cpqcorp.net>   = "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote in message . news:cirsm6$3ag$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk...F > Is ther a way (supported or otherwise) to get at the underlying file" > structures of standard C files ? >   
     Chris,  8     I've never used this mechanism, but reading the CRTL=     documentation, it looks like this is possible.  The fopen =     function will accept all the optional arguments described :     in the creat function doc.  One of these optional args@     is called acc_callback.  It's followed by a function pointer;     that points to a call-back routine that is invoked just 8     before the sys$create or sys$open call.  It's passed'     the address of the RMS FAB and RAB.   .     So..have a look at the CRTL documentation.       Hope this helps,       Ed Vogel     HP C Engineering.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:55:15 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: C file operations( Message-ID: <opser8ydfxzgicya@hyrrokkin>  I On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:15:21 GMT, Ed Vogel <edward.vogel_stop_the_spam.@=  hp.com> wrote:   > ? > "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote in message 0 > news:cirsm6$3ag$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk...G >> Is ther a way (supported or otherwise) to get at the underlying file # >> structures of standard C files ?  >> >  >     Chris, > : >     I've never used this mechanism, but reading the CRTL? >     documentation, it looks like this is possible.  The fopen ? >     function will accept all the optional arguments described < >     in the creat function doc.  One of these optional argsB >     is called acc_callback.  It's followed by a function pointer= >     that points to a call-back routine that is invoked just : >     before the sys$create or sys$open call.  It's passed) >     the address of the RMS FAB and RAB.  > 0 >     So..have a look at the CRTL documentation.  E Here is an example of how it is done with PL/I which might be helpful I http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/appl_tools/00954EBC-DF2BDE20-1= 
 C02A1.html   >  >     Hope this helps, >  >     Ed Vogel >     HP C Engineering.  >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Sep 04 08:59:06 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com  Subject: Re: C file operations( Message-ID: <8RJ4pzqQtLMZ@cpva.saic.com>  B In article <04092210214020@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org writes:2 > From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> > H >> Is ther a way (supported or otherwise) to get at the underlying file # >> structures of standard C files ?  > I >    Once upon a time, in FORTRAN (is it Fortran now?), I made use of the G > admirably convenient FOR$RAB() function, which takes a LUN and points G > you to the RAB (from which you can get to the FAB, et c.).  Ideal for > > doing most I/O the easy way, but still getting access to the > underlayment when needed.  > E >    I dimly recall making repeated pleas in this forum for a c$rab() F > which would do the same for a C file descriptor.  Even more dimly, I? > recall one of the VMS wizards offering some workable (if less 9 > convenient) solution, but I have not found it anywhere.  >  >    Isn't that helpful? >    maybe these will help?  J http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dpm.838832687%40access2&output=gplain  J http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dpm.867095187%40access4&output=gplain   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:02:48 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: C file operations4 Message-ID: <ciuvjp$g48$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   Ed Vogel wrote:   ? > "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote in message 0 > news:cirsm6$3ag$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk... > F >>Is ther a way (supported or otherwise) to get at the underlying file" >>structures of standard C files ? > : >     I've never used this mechanism, but reading the CRTL? >     documentation, it looks like this is possible.  The fopen ? >     function will accept all the optional arguments described < >     in the creat function doc.  One of these optional argsB >     is called acc_callback.  It's followed by a function pointer= >     that points to a call-back routine that is invoked just : >     before the sys$create or sys$open call.  It's passed) >     the address of the RMS FAB and RAB.  > 0 >     So..have a look at the CRTL documentation.  I Excellent - should have spotted that one, thanks - that enables me to do  ? everything I want, with minimal impact on the surrounding code.   F David Murphy's code (posted by McKinney) would do too, but stable and  supported is obviously best.   Thanks,  Chris    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Sep 2004 06:44:10 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> 5 Subject: Re: Can YOU save the Hubble Space Telescope? 6 Message-ID: <Xns956D5903B8EBdcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>  C %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Tom Linden wrote in news:opseq8f7qrzgicya@hyrrokkin   $ > Has anyone contacted Bruce Willis?  L Don't be silly!  He wouldn't use access panels and replace components, he'd / drill a hole in the side and blow the thing up.    :-)      Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2004 07:22:14 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: Re: Can YOU save the Hubble Space Telescope? 3 Message-ID: <b7bAu2iQgkdh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <4151EF56.573A3107@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > John Smith wrote: H >> Guess you won't be fielding a mission if you want the Canadians at MDN >> Robotics, ( http://www.mdrobotics.ca/wwdframe.html who will be suppying the, >> robot system) to take out US citizenship. > N > There is HUGE difference between a contractor supplying a product delieveredI > to the customer and a person working on site as essentially an employee / > (whether on a contract, payroll or whatever).   C    Right.  As I should have said in an earlier response, we can buy "    parts from just about anywhere.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2004 00:46:22 -07004 From: google.news.service@brablc.com (Ondrej Brablc)I Subject: Re: Does anyone use Compaq C++ V6.5 on Alpha seriously with STL? < Message-ID: <b84b0cec.0409222346.5c6eba1@posting.google.com>  
 Hi Joshua,  G > Please post an explanation of your problem, including sample code, as H > well as any and all compiler/linker flags/switches that you are using.G >  Please try to trim your sample(s) down to as little code required to E > demonstrate the problem.  This will make it easier for us to debug.   A Our operators installed 6.5-042 and the problem with dynamic cast D disappeared. So there is only one problem remaining, please consider
 this example:    --- TEST.H --- template<int I> struct A {      static const int i = I;  };   typedef A<10> A10;   template<class T> struct S {      T value; };   template<> struct S< A10 > { %     static const long value = A10::i;  };   --- TEST.CXX ---% #error THIS SHOULD NOT BE COMPILED!!!    --- MAIN.CXX --- #include "test.h"   
 int main() { 
     return 0;  }   C If you simply compile MAIN.CXX you will get compile error caused by E the error directive. In case I would define some function in test.cxx B and then link main with test I would get %LINK-W-MULDEF. Of courseF there is a workaround simply not linking the test.obj, but this is not the way we would like to do it.   5 The problem seems to be caused by the static members.    Ondrej   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2004 09:35:29 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: HTTP proxy server for VMS? 3 Message-ID: <tAg3d+ddYAGF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   F    Does anyone know of a free HTTP proxy server which will run on VMS?  G    VMS systems are the only systems on the LAN segment where the proxy  C    would be usefull.  I've looked at some free proxy servers that I B    found through Google and they either need a real UNIX fork() or)    Python (which might also need fork()).   B    Sometimes I can just browse from the VMS system, but Mosaic andF    Netscape for VMS just don't have the features, and Mozilla is a bit-    to heavy for my 12 year old Alpha and VXT.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:49:54 +0200 1 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?= ' Subject: Re: HTTP proxy server for VMS? 5 Message-ID: <4152e29b$0$697$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>    Bob Koehler wrote:I  >    Does anyone know of a free HTTP proxy server which will run on VMS?   >   WASD can do this for you :-)  4 http://wasd.vsm.com.au/ht_root/doc/htd/htd_1600.html    1 I know many sites which are using it extensively.   I  >    VMS systems are the only systems on the LAN segment where the proxy F  >    would be usefull.  I've looked at some free proxy servers that IE  >    found through Google and they either need a real UNIX fork() or ,  >    Python (which might also need fork()).  >E  >    Sometimes I can just browse from the VMS system, but Mosaic and I  >    Netscape for VMS just don't have the features, and Mozilla is a bit 0  >    to heavy for my 12 year old Alpha and VXT.  >     JF   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:23:26 +0000 (UTC) ( From: John F <john@SeeSigForAddress.com>( Subject: Re: insufficient virtual memory, Message-ID: <ciu86u$sgs$1@reader1.panix.com>  4 Ed Vogel <edward.vogel_stop_the_spam.@hp.com> wrote:- : "John F" <john@SeeSigForAddress.com> wrote: H : >      But the question remains as to what "this problem" actually is.C : > Ed didn't make it precisely clear, and a little further testing F : > revealed it has _nothing_ to do with the #undef's and re-#define'sG : > of the F() macro.  Below (also at www.forkosh.com/md5vaxtestfrag.c) I : > is roughly the shortest fragment I could get to exercise the problem.   1 :     Sorry...I should have given some more info. A :     The problem has nothing to do with macros or preprocessing. = :     It's an optimizer problem.  As the Release Notes state, 8 :     using /OPTIMIZE=NODISJOINT will solve the problem.4 :     There is additional info in the Release notes. :     Ed Vogel :     HP C Engineering  A Thanks again, Ed.  Mea culpa -- you did mention the Release Notes @ in your previous post, but I failed to consult them.  Meanwhile,C /OPTIMIZE=NODISJOINT indeed compiles the original code successfully B and runs it correctly (ditto /NOOPTIMIZE, but nodisjoint generates smaller .obj and .exe).  --   John Forkosh@      .-.     .-.     .-.     .-.     .-.     .-.     .-.     .-.A \ j / o \ h / n \ @ / f \ o / r \ k / o \ s / h \ . / c \ o / m \ A  '-'     '-'     '-'     '-'     '-'     '-'     '-'     '-'         ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2004 05:46:28 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)@ Subject: Let me own OpenVMS and I will destroy the linux market!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0409230446.77f24008@posting.google.com>   7 It's said that all of the owners of vms fail to realize 7 what they have in their hands ... they have the very os 2 that can destroy the linux market when aggresively8 marketed and priced ... but there is hope ... I recently5 talked to an old time dec person at HP who feels that ) HP will eventually sell it to someone ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:58:26 +0200 ! From: Soterro <soterroatyahoocom> D Subject: Re: Let me own OpenVMS and I will destroy the linux market!9 Message-ID: <4152d603$0$329$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>    Bob Ceculski wrote: : > marketed and priced ... but there is hope ... I recently7 > talked to an old time dec person at HP who feels that + > HP will eventually sell it to someone ...   G As a tiny example, the way DECWrite is handled by the new owner is not  G something to give particular hope for this new hypothesis. It would be  I quite unusual to see the right tools falling into the hands of the right   people.    S    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:49:23 GMT 5 From: brad@rabbit.dnsalias.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) D Subject: Re: Let me own OpenVMS and I will destroy the linux market!. Message-ID: <7gC4d.141823$3l3.31554@attbi_s03>  h In article <d7791aa1.0409230446.77f24008@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:8 !It's said that all of the owners of vms fail to realize8 !what they have in their hands ... they have the very os3 !that can destroy the linux market when aggresively 9 !marketed and priced ... but there is hope ... I recently 6 !talked to an old time dec person at HP who feels that* !HP will eventually sell it to someone ...  4 That's been done already - look at the result...	:-)  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:08:22 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>$ Subject: Re: Mapping UNIX File NamesB Message-ID: <4152d8d7$0$18561$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Cookie Monster wrote: y > c00kiemonster69@hotmail.com (Cookie Monster) wrote in message news:<6da13cb0.0409211053.220383ff@posting.google.com>...  > H >>A file on a unix file system looks like "aCaseSENSITIVEFilename" wouldA >>map to "A$C$ASE$SENSITIVEF$ILENAME" on the Multinet OpenVMS NFS 	 >>server.  >>H >>I'm sure there is a program to convert the files names back and forth,F >>but the only one I can find is in fortran and I don't have a fortranB >>compiler. I have compaq C (I guess that would be HP C now) V6.2.< >>Any one know of a C program or perl script that does this? >> >>Thanks >  > ? > Thanks for the replies, but I really am looking for a program D > to convert the filenames.  I can write it myself, but why reinvent > the wheel?  L Have you tried the OpenVMS Porting Library otherwise known as "The Jackets"?  ; http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/porting.html D http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/porting_relnotes.html  1 unix2vms.c and other "f routines" look promising.    Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:40:48 -0400 * From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>% Subject: Re: Off-the-wall CI Question + Message-ID: <2rg5ieF19djh6U1@uni-berlin.de>   ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:4150DCC1.E8ECA795@comcast.net...  : Keith Parris wrote:  : > 
 : > [snip]A : > I'm sure this is freeing up CI hardware all over the country.  : H : Not likely. Existing clusters tend to stay that way (the SysAdmins gotG : laid-off years ago, and they've been running without a reboot since - 3 : clueless Borg drones don't like to mess with it).  :    Where are you located?   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Sep 2004 06:40:17 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> & Subject: Re: OT: Sun's fighting chance7 Message-ID: <Xns956D5859BFEC6dcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>   % %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Bob Ceculski wrote in 5 news:d7791aa1.0409221434.25e5c8c2@posting.google.com    A > Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__s._harrison@s_u_n.com> wrote in 7 > message news:<cis6vr$dj2$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...   >>  E >> Sun has no intention of attacking NetBSD or FreeBSD, RedHat is the D >> target not them and OpenVMS despite having the Open bit tacked on" >> the front is hardly OpenSource. >>  
 >> Regards >> Andrew Harrison > ? > it certainly is open source ... you can port any c unix/linux : > garbage code onto it including libraries and it runs ...< > and you can get the source if you want to ... but vms does; > not need to be tinkered with by people who think they can 1 > code understand os's but don't (i.e. linux) ...   I Why am I not surprised that you don't understand what open source is Bob?   H The "Open" in OpenVMS is to indicate that it complies with certain open 
 standards.     Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 03:13:11 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: OT: Sun's fighting chance, Message-ID: <4152777C.72FEAFCB@teksavvy.com>  
 "Doc." wrote: I > The "Open" in OpenVMS is to indicate that it complies with certain open  > standards.  K Nop. It indicates that the person who uses it agrees with everything Palmero
 did with VMS.   N Since the POSIX product is no longer available, and until the VMS enginers areN done with the unwanted port to IA64 and can get back to completing the work toN make VMS natively compatible with Unix, I believe that the "open" doesn't even
 apply to VMS.k   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2004 07:25:23 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o& Subject: Re: OT: Sun's fighting chance3 Message-ID: <rKQZEG8eorW6@eisner.encompasserve.org>O  e In article <Xns956D5859BFEC6dcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>, "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> writes:p  K > Why am I not surprised that you don't understand what open source is Bob?p > J > The "Open" in OpenVMS is to indicate that it complies with certain open  > standards.  E    To me "open" means I can look inside.  At the current price of thea=    CD I can, if I need to.  For Linux I can.  For MS I can't.k      Is Solaris open source now?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:52:33 -0400'# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>h& Subject: Re: OT: Sun's fighting chance, Message-ID: <_sednVkwb-kTfs_cRVn-oA@igs.net>   Doc. wrote:GD > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Bill Gunshannon wrote in news:2re3v8F173dpcU1@uni- > berlin.deU >A/ >> In article <mNCdnRua_bp7SszcRVn-uQ@igs.net>,f- >>      "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:' >>> Keith Parris wrote:e >nD >>>> And even Sun could take down Linux, what about OpenVMS, NetBSD,
 >>>> FreeBSD?I >sC >>> Sun doesn't have to 'take down' OpenVMS. carly(tm) will do that  >>> single-handedly. >k= >> I resisted the temptation to actually put this into words.y >dH > Point is, most of the people in this newsgroup are of the opinion that@ > appropriate marketing will make the difference between OpenVMSF > marketshare growing, and the OS slowly declining to a point where it > can be axed. >eC > Where *is* the damn marketing?  Are we still waiting on two dozen-> > focus groups coming back with the right target demographics?    H The OpenVMS Marketing Department has been renamed to " Itanic Deck Chair Rearranging Group ".   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:12:55 +0100jO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>v& Subject: Re: OT: Sun's fighting chance0 Message-ID: <ciup5o$8s2$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:ev > Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__s._harrison@s_u_n.com> wrote in message news:<cis6vr$dj2$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > D >>Sun has no intention of attacking NetBSD or FreeBSD, RedHat is theC >>target not them and OpenVMS despite having the Open bit tacked onn! >>the front is hardly OpenSource.5 >>	 >>Regards2 >>Andrew HarrisonG >  > ? > it certainly is open source ... you can port any c unix/linux2: > garbage code onto it including libraries and it runs ...< > and you can get the source if you want to ... but vms does; > not need to be tinkered with by people who think they can 1 > code understand os's but don't (i.e. linux) ...     2 I suggest that you broadcast your re-definition of7 OpenSource to one of the Linux newsgoups, the responses0 will make interesting reading.   Regards  Andrew Harrisonx   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:28:55 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)H Subject: Re: PRODUCT INSTALL HANGS WITH LGI$LOGINOUT_CALLOUTS CONFIGURED1 Message-ID: <04092307285508@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>f   peter@langstoeger.at writes:  ^ > In article <04092014561017@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:/ > >I am having problems using PRODUCT INSTALL *a > >0P > >I have configured LGI$LOGINOUT_CALLOUTS to execute an application at the timeO > >of logout.  This code has been in place since Nov-2003 and have had no other . > >apparent effects on the system.  Until now.	 > >[snip]eP > >I also found that if I delete the hung subprocess the PRODUCT INSTALL process( > >will complete to 100% with no errors. > >h
 > >Any ideas?H > F > Define PCSI$TRACE (and PCSI$LOG) to TRUE or YES and install again...  J I tried this however it did not give me any information as to the problem. Thanks anyway!     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*no VMS Systems Administratori* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:05:00 -0500n( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)H Subject: Re: PRODUCT INSTALL HANGS WITH LGI$LOGINOUT_CALLOUTS CONFIGURED1 Message-ID: <04092310050070@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>x   JF Mezei writes:2 > >         if (res_string(1:5) .ne. "BATCH") stop > 2 > Not familiar with intricacies of fortran on VMS. > K > But this callback is essentially a shareable image invoked dynamically byo > loginout.exe, correct? > J > does "stop" in fortran return control to the caller, or does it call any" > fortran specific image rundown ? > O > And image rundown executed at the time the process is running down might have  > interesting consequences.r   I added the line ofs  (   if (res_string(1:5) .ne. "BATCH") stop  ) after I initially discovered the problem.t  0 The previous method had the FORTRAN end program.     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administratorm* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2004 07:46:48 -07001 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer)/ Subject: Re: RMS and threads< Message-ID: <477e0934.0409230646.e73883a@posting.google.com>  o "SteveL" <infovax@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<1095865841.823272.101560@h37g2000oda.googlegroups.com>...e > Thanks for your reply. > ; > >when you use the master to control, all overlap is gone.t > B > I don't quite see why this is the case.  If I have, say, a 4 CPUI > system, one master thread and two worker threads then there's no reasonn, > why they can't all execute simultaneously.  D In fact, you don't even need kernel threads for this.  If one threadF is executing a write, it should yield to another thread to allow it toE begin it's write as well.  Kernel threads help when you have multiple  threads consuming lots of CPU.  C BTW, are you sure you are running kernel threads?  Just because you ? compiled and linked with them on doesn't mean they are used.  IeC believe there may be some permissions and/or system parameters thatoC need to be toggled as well.  I don't recall exactly, though.  WhilerB your program is running, use "monitor proc/topc" to see if you are. landing on more than one CPU at the same time.  
 joshua lehrer  factset research systems NYSE:FDS   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2004 06:29:24 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)2. Subject: Re: Sniffer Can't see cluster traffic= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0409230529.571351ad@posting.google.com>   & One addition to your excellent expose:  C None of the original Digital designed Ethernet protocols (SCS, LAT,NA MOP, DECnet, to name some) ever use Ethernet broadcasts, but only  protocol specific multicasts.   E In my opinion that conforms to the ideas behind the original EthernetsD specification. Not so strange when you remember which companies have- written that specs: Intel, Xerox and Digital!i  E IP over Ethernet on the other hand is full of Ethernet broadcasts. IP + is never properly designed in that respect.    Regards,  	 Bart Zorna  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<41524BC4.515A0D0C@teksavvy.com>...n > "John E. Malmberg" wrote:tJ > > As I remember from looking at the protocol traces, they were sent to aL > > protocol and cluster specific multicast MAC address, from a protocol and% > > node specific source MAC address.  > J > When I signed up to a cable ISP years ago and found out it theyr serviceO > didn't work, they, like any good civil servant, blamed my setup.  I had to dosJ > protocol traces to show to them that I was sending DHCP requests and notP > getting any response from the modem, although I was seeing ARP requests coming > from the modem.  > O > In the process, I got to see many SCS packets that were specifically adressednK > to each of the 2 nodes on my lan. When BIKE has an MSCP request to a disku? > served by VELO, there is no reason to broadcast that request.  > J > > There are bits in the packets that the switches use to determine if it0 > > is a multi-cast packet or a directed packet. > O > Yep and that is solely at the ethernet packet level. There is actually a goodnV > explanation of these in the good old VMS do set (grey wall) for the ethernet driver. > H > > Typically the characteristics of a non-routable protocol are that itK > > communicates with broadcast destination addresses so it will not dependnE > > on keeping a mapping table of MAC addresses to the remote hosts. o > P > My understanding and experience is that both LAT and SCS do have tables of MACO > adresses to whom they talk. For instance, a terminal server talking to node ApP > will be sending packets to NODE A's  ethernet address with a protocol field ofN > LAT. The ethernet card on Node A, upon seeing the protocol field, then feeds  > that packet to the LAT driver. > N > Similarly, when Node A wants to send a packet to a terminal, the packet willM > be adresses specifically to the terminal server in charge of that terminal.bO > Where there are broadcasts is the regular service announcements. (in terms offN > LAT). And there would also be broadcasts for SCS when a node needs to send a+ > packet to all other nodes in the network.t >  > > The J > > upper level of the protocol handler then filters out what packets that > > it cares about.m > P > nop. The ethernet card filters out packets that are not supposed to be seen byP > that ethernet address (packets adressed to specifically to another MAC addressN > for instance). For those packets that this nodes is sopposed to see, it thenM > looks at the protocol field and then delivers that packet to the approriate - > driver (decnet, lat, scs, tcpip, whatever).m > O > A standard (non vlan) switch only deals with MAC addresses. It has a table ofaM > which MAC adresses live on which port of the switch. And only sends to thatwN > port packets that should be seen by that any of the MAC adresses that resideI > on that PORT. And this includes multicast and broadcasts since they aren1 > designed to be seen by everyone on an ethernet.S > H > VLANS complicate things because more sophisticated ones can filter outI > protocols. However, they still do not route nor do they look inside thedO > ehthernet packet contents. They only look at the ethernet header, and as such4 > as protocol independant.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2004 08:53:48 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org. Subject: Re: Sniffer Can't see cluster traffic3 Message-ID: <X+skp34bDYfU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <rJGdncKepvyXtc_cRVn-rw@adelphia.com>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes:a > JF Mezei wrote:  >> "John E. Malmberg" wrote: >> nN >>>The SCS protocol is non-routable, so it should show up on all switch ports.  ( Non-routeable has nothing to do with it.   >> Can you explain this ?  > I > As I remember from looking at the protocol traces, they were sent to a RK > protocol and cluster specific multicast MAC address, from a protocol and s# > node specific source MAC address.e > N >> I was under the impression that switches acted solely at the ethernet levelP >> and did not examine contents of ethernet packets to determine protocol. BasedQ >> on that, i don't see how an ethernet packet containing an SCS packet would bneeN >> treated any differently by a switch than an ethernet packet containing some' >> virus infested microsoft SMB packet.r   JF is absolutely correct.i  I > There are bits in the packets that the switches use to determine if it s. > is a multi-cast packet or a directed packet.  I There is one such bit.  It is the first bit in the packet in transmission  order.  I It is the low order bit of the first byte in the destination MAC address.   @ The remaining bits in the destination MAC address can be used toD further specify the multicast destination, but, by default, switchesH don't care.  They just flood all broadcasts and multicasts to all ports.  G > Typically the characteristics of a non-routable protocol are that it  J > communicates with broadcast destination addresses so it will not depend B > on keeping a mapping table of MAC addresses to the remote hosts.   No.  No.  A thousand times no.  F Any respectable non-routable protocol will use broadcasts as sparinglyF as possible.  It may use broadcast queries to determine the identitiesF of the other relevant stations on the segment.  But it should normally= use unicast datagrams when communicating with those stations.t  B The only time that a broadcast or multicast is appropriate is when  B 1.  You do not know the unicast MAC address of the target station.2 2.  You _want_ multiple stations to get the frame.  D LAT is a protocol that does things right.  It does broadcast service) announcements and unicast data transfers.a  D ARP is a protocol that does things right.  It does broadcast queries9 and unicast responses and implementors cache the results.   C Even Microsoft gets this right.  You can look up a workstation namecG using a NetBEUI broadcast, but the response and your subsequent traffico1 as you map a drive on the target will be unicast.t  H I don't have any information one way or the other on whether SCS over NIE is so stupidly designed as to use broadcast or multicast exclusively.   M > The upper level of the protocol handler then filters out what packets that ) > it cares about.e  C That's one reason you don't want to do much broadcast.  PerformancefH scales badly.  You don't want the upper layers of your protocol handlers) to be busily discarding unwanted traffic.n  E You really want to be able to discard unwanted traffic at the switch.h  C Competent protocol designers and implementers know this and usually-$ make the appropriate design choices.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:34:36 -0700 (PDT) - From: James O'Shea <seamas_ose@ameritech.net>o. Subject: Re: Sniffer Can't see cluster traffic@ Message-ID: <20040923163436.93241.qmail@web81107.mail.yahoo.com>  2 --- JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:  t0 > 2- You have not mentioned how the machines are! > physically connected. Is it vian5 > thinwire ethernet, is it with CAT5 wiring to a hub,B > to a switch ?h  6 Two MicroVaxen running VMS v6.2 are connected, via cat3 5, to a Cisco smart hub.  Nothing else is connectedt2 except his laptop which is running Network General
 sniffer.      e   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2004 11:57:43 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org. Subject: Re: Sniffer Can't see cluster traffic3 Message-ID: <SEt5KBQTboD3@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  p In article <20040923163436.93241.qmail@web81107.mail.yahoo.com>, James O'Shea <seamas_ose@ameritech.net> writes:4 > --- JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: >  -1 >> 2- You have not mentioned how the machines are:" >> physically connected. Is it via6 >> thinwire ethernet, is it with CAT5 wiring to a hub, >> to a switch ? > 8 > Two MicroVaxen running VMS v6.2 are connected, via cat5 > 5, to a Cisco smart hub.  Nothing else is connected<4 > except his laptop which is running Network General > sniffer.    ? On Cisco's web site, I find a reference to "smart hub" as being C on a 2517, 2518 or 2519 chassis.  2518 is the Ethernet model.  2517o and 2519 are token ring.  H The 2518 has one ethernet, two serial, one async, 1 ISDN BRI in additionB to the hub card which carries, according to one page, 23 ports and5 according to another page, 24 RJ45 ports plus an AUI.   < As long as he's plugged into ports on the hub portion of theD device (i.e. is not plugging his sniffer into the RJ45 on the routerC card instead), it looks to me as if the device should indeed behavey as a hub and not a switch.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2004 05:41:46 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)! Subject: Re: VMS on IBM's Itanium = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0409230441.36953bf0@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<4151D461.3705CC99@teksavvy.com>...e > Bob Ceculski wrote:cI > > Your recent e-mail query to Sam Palmisano regarding an article in thecB > > Inquirer.net has been forwarded to me for review and response. >   E > > most enterprise customers are now looking for more open operating G > > environments. As noted in the article, Compaq, and now HP, have not J > > invested to keep up with the requirements of the customer base and the6 > > result is an inevitable decline in installed base. > P > Well, bob, I think you did a great job in contacting IBM, even if the responseP > was brutal and true. Just make sure nobody at HP sees it because they will use1 > it as further justification to deemphasize VMS.a  F what truth?  She states that there are several attractive alternativesC to vms ... what are they?  They may be attractve because of initial5G price and marketing glitz, but after paying thru your nose for security F products and half baked clustering garbage, your tco is still no whereG near vms, not mentioning security and clustering even with the add ons!    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:08:33 -0400c* From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>> Subject: Re: Windoze not rebooted monthly shuts down airports!+ Message-ID: <2rg05fF1a5sclU1@uni-berlin.de>   H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:S2tAerxcp0V2@eisner.encompasserve.org... ] : In article <4151D35C.2E462B5@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:a : > Bob Koehler wrote:- : >>    Each radar sweep takes a few seconds.e : > Q : > However, doesn't the "system" keep track of estimated position of an aircraft0P : > based on its alttude, speed and heading calculated from previous sweeps ? It> : > could then be updating aircraft positions more frequently. :-F :    Not to my knowledge.  There's no telling when a pilot is going to :    twist a control.t :s` Back in the early 1970s when i worked as a programmer for the FAA experimental facility I had tob write the program to keep track of all the planes in the area of our interest. Reviewing the specsd for what IBM did in the enroute facilities and what Honeywell? did for the terminal facilities, bothb used algorithims to predict the next location of each plane and then match the data from the radard sweep to these predictions. A lot of work went into making sure the correct plane was matched to thec correct prediction. Even though that was over thirty years ago I think the basic problems are still 	 the same.d   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Sep 2004 06:01:41 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>E Subject: Re: [DCL REQUEST] New ignore keyword for DIFFERENCES command(? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-njJW5uys3Zbj@dave2_os2.home.ours>e  B On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:00:45 UTC, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E.  Feldman) wrote:c  & > Explicitly, I request the following: > E >     $ DIFFERENCES file1,file2 /IGNORE=(LEAD,COMM,TRAI,BLAN)/COMM=EXo > : > which would be great for DIFFing DCL command procedures.  1 Been there and had the same wish. Concurr wholly.s  5 If it needed to be generic maybe it could be done by sB /IGNORE=(Field:1:5,sp,ex). i.e, exclude the first five characters F before applying the comparison. The SORT(?) qualifier comes to mind as? an example. Getting carried away, one could apply maximum line a
 lengths...  D The only thing I'd question is whether it's a DCL thing for Guy. Is / DIFF considered part of DCL or some other area?m   -- e Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2004 07:29:27 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) E Subject: Re: [DCL REQUEST] New ignore keyword for DIFFERENCES commandc3 Message-ID: <yIko8PPLfMGz@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  n In article <b096a4ee.0409221600.359370c7@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: > ( > Yes, and I said it was to be used with1 > /IGNORE=(COMMENTS,TRAILING_SPACES,BLANK_LINES).o  >    So you want something different from the current meaning ofD    /ignore which controls which lines or trailing parts of lines to F    ignore, you want to control which leading parts of lines to ignore.  6    That's a new feature, and yes, it would be usefull.  C    But I'm curious, you have someone who's in the habbit of writing6C    .COM files without leading $?  That's been "works sometimes, not:     recommended" since about 3.0.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:02:45 -0500-6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>E Subject: Re: [DCL REQUEST] New ignore keyword for DIFFERENCES commandlD Message-ID: <craigberry-FC562B.08024523092004@news.isp.giganews.com>  = In article <b096a4ee.0409221600.359370c7@posting.google.com>,:0  spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote:  & > Explicitly, I request the following: > E >     $ DIFFERENCES file1,file2 /IGNORE=(LEAD,COMM,TRAI,BLAN)/COMM=EX- > : > which would be great for DIFFing DCL command procedures.  F Yes, it might be nice to add this capability to DIFFERENCES, but it's H been in GNU diff for years and if you have GNV installed on your system A you have GNU diff (or you can get it from the Freeware 5.0 CD or s elsewhere).v   $ bash# bash$ diff -bB -I '^$!' file1 file2y  @ That's saying to ignore lines that differ only by the amount of G whitespace, don't compare blank lines, and ignore lines that match the eA regular expression pattern "^$!", where the ^ means match at the  G beginning of the line.  Appropriate permutations of the pattern should cE be able to handle whitespace at the end of the line, comments in the e@ middle, and so on.  I'm not sure if there's a way to make it do  multiple patterns at once.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:21:27 GMT-3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) E Subject: Re: [DCL REQUEST] New ignore keyword for DIFFERENCES command 3 Message-ID: <r5A4d.11515$hV6.8250@news.cpqcorp.net>L  A Although I've DIF'd a lot of DCL procedures, I am having trouble i9 understanding the problem here.  Did I miss and example? n$ If so, perhaps you would re-post it.  5 I have found that /IGNORE=SPACING occasionally helps.n Have you tried that?   -- rJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Sep 2004 13:48:48 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com>nE Subject: Re: [DCL REQUEST] New ignore keyword for DIFFERENCES command 7 Message-ID: <Xns956DA0EE6E8C6dcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>   B %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Charlie Hammond wrote in news:r5A4d.11515$hV6.8250 @news.cpqcorp.netO   > C > Although I've DIF'd a lot of DCL procedures, I am having trouble e; > understanding the problem here.  Did I miss and example? o& > If so, perhaps you would re-post it. > 7 > I have found that /IGNORE=SPACING occasionally helps.h > Have you tried that?  D Alan's original post suggested the problem lies with lines that are H comments.  As I understand it he said that DIFFERENCES with the various I flags to ignore comments treated a line "$! This is a comment" as if the -H line actually said "$" and could get itself confused and start matching H these lines with similarly treated comments at a different point in the  other file.e  , I believe the behaviour he's seeking is thatF 1)  Lines with ! comment delimiters are stripped back to "$". (normal)/ 2)  Lines have the starting "$" stripped. (new)eH 3)  Comment lines that started "$!" are now blank and treated as thus by     DIFFERENCES.     Doc. -- uG OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.wG http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:13:22 -0400s From: norm.raphael@metso.comE Subject: Re: [DCL REQUEST] New ignore keyword for DIFFERENCES command-Q Message-ID: <OF3405B471.E8621556-ON85256F18.00536474-85256F18.0053B217@metso.com>P  > In other words, for the general case, any line with $ followed? by 0-to-n spaces followed by the comment-delimiter (normally !): would be treated as if blank.r  F "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> wrote on 09/23/2004 09:48:48 AM:  D > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Charlie Hammond wrote in news:r5A4d.11515$hV6.8250 > @news.cpqcorp.netr >s > >tD > > Although I've DIF'd a lot of DCL procedures, I am having trouble< > > understanding the problem here.  Did I miss and example?( > > If so, perhaps you would re-post it. > >h9 > > I have found that /IGNORE=SPACING occasionally helps.> > > Have you tried that? >nE > Alan's original post suggested the problem lies with lines that are,I > comments.  As I understand it he said that DIFFERENCES with the variousMJ > flags to ignore comments treated a line "$! This is a comment" as if theI > line actually said "$" and could get itself confused and start matching0I > these lines with similarly treated comments at a different point in then
 > other file.y >e. > I believe the behaviour he's seeking is thatH > 1)  Lines with ! comment delimiters are stripped back to "$". (normal)1 > 2)  Lines have the starting "$" stripped. (new) J > 3)  Comment lines that started "$!" are now blank and treated as thus by >     DIFFERENCES. >  >t > Doc. > --I > OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. I > http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.s   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.529 ************************