1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 27 Sep 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 537       Contents:# Re: "Oracle RDB" licensing question # Re: "Oracle RDB" licensing question  *.CDD file for CONNX Re: *.CDD file for CONNX As seen in WSJC Re: Certs last 2 years - VMS "4", slowaris "65" and still counting! C Re: Certs last 2 years - VMS "4", slowaris "65" and still counting! C Re: Certs last 2 years - VMS "4", slowaris "65" and still counting! C Re: Certs last 2 years - VMS "4", slowaris "65" and still counting! < Re: For Sale:  2 x DEC 4000-720 (rack-mounted) plus add-ons.5 Get a grip! Itanium rx1600 servers selling for $1499! 9 Re: Get a grip! Itanium rx1600 servers selling for $1499! , Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations, Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations, Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations, Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations, Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations, Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations, Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations, Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations, Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations, Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations, Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstationsG Re: OT:   I'm entering the job market for the second time since 1984...  Re: Powerstorm 300 in DS10L  Re: Powerstorm 300 in DS10L = Re: Slashdot is reporting HP is dropping Itanium workstations = Re: Slashdot is reporting HP is dropping Itanium workstations = Re: Slashdot is reporting HP is dropping Itanium workstations = Re: Slashdot is reporting HP is dropping Itanium workstations / Re: Sorting using hypersort from COBOL on Alpha 5 Re: Windoze not rebooted monthly shuts down airports! : Re: ZIP "-V" v. UNIX, et al.: Problem, possible solutions.< Re: [DCL REQUEST] New ignore keyword for DIFFERENCES command9 [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] DCL Command Line Length in EVE/TPU ? [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] Problem with (too ?) many PRINT commands C Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] Problem with (too ?) many PRINT commands   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:09:35 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: "Oracle RDB" licensing question, Message-ID: <gKudnckJ1OqpsMXcRVn-tQ@igs.net>   Neil Rieck wrote: 4 > "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in message > L news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB45D2FA@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net... > [...snip...] >> Neil, >>F >> Both Oracle Rdb abd Server are licensed by the number of CPU's in a? >> server (2 in your case). The platform does not matter as the H >> licensing is the same on all of them. Enterprise versions = $40K/Cpu. >>
 >> Reference: 5 >> http://www.oracle.com/corporate/pricing/index.html  >>F >> One biggie for Oracle Rdb is that the clustering costs are imbedded@ >> i.e. no additional costs to cluster Rdb systems.  With OracleE >> Server, in order to cluster the database servers between different E >> servers, you need to add 50% additional costs *per* cpu. Hence, if E >> you go by the list pricing, the Oracle Server costs rise from $40K E >> per CPU to $60K per cpu if the Oracle RAC (clustering) software is  >> used. >>G >> As an example, a small DL380 two node Linux cluster with 2 cpu's per @ >> node clustered  together with Oracle Enterprise cost $240,000G >> (60Kx2x2) to license these servers with RAC.  Course, then you would E >> need to add Oracle costs for development and QA server configs etc  >> as well.  >>
 >> Regards >> >> Kerry > < > Yikes! An additional $80k in software licenses for a 2-CPUC > departmental system. I think the existing licenses on this system  > (which include unlimitedE > OpenVMS, SMP, and HP-BASIC) didn't cost that much. Makes you wonder E > how many people go a different route after experiencing the sticker  > shock? > 2 > Now I know why there's such an interest in MySQL    H Interbase, which I happen to think was a pretty good DBMS on VMS, is nowK open source though there has been no official VMS support for it for a long J time. But at $80k for 2-cpu RDB license maybe somebody could make a living: selling 20 support contracts annually of Interbase on VMS.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2004 10:25:14 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso), Subject: Re: "Oracle RDB" licensing question= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0409270925.4d2baf3b@posting.google.com>    winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) wrote in message news:<00A387C2.838F7C26@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...w > In article <4156b504$0$18549$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>, Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> writes: / > >Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:  > > ` > >> In article <4155E64E.54CD0F9@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > >>   > >>>"Main, Kerry" wrote:  > >>> N > >>>>One biggie for Oracle Rdb is that the clustering costs are imbedded i.e.1 > >>>>no additional costs to cluster Rdb systems.  > >>>  > >>> M > >>>Does this mean that RDB costs the same if you have 16 microvax II's in a S > >>>cluster each running RDB compared to one galaxy/wildfire class machine with 16  > >>>CPUs ?  > >>   > >>  	 > >> Yes.  > >>   > >> Which is insane.    > >>  K > >> They used to be willing to do concurrent-user licensing and named-user N > >> licensing, but no more.  (There are questions also about what "concurrentR > >> users" of a database are when you have unknown quantitites of web-based users% > >> connecting to your application.)  > >>   > >> -- Alan > >>   > > L > >If the 16 MicroVAX II systems were stand-alone and each used by separate C > >users as  single-user development software environments without  A > >distribution, testing, production or schooling (as opposed to  G > >self-learning) purposes then I understand the Rdb licenses would be  J > >*free*. Please see my recent reply to Niel Rieck for details and links. > L > I appreciated that detailed reply.  (I also appreciate the helpful repliesI > you often post to general queries.)  Continuing to argue for a  moment, M > anyway, Rdb would also be free on the galaxy/wildfire class machine with 16 J > cpus if it were used solely for development/prototyping.  So I think I'm> > correct; Rdb does cost the same (either free or $40k/CPU).   >   1 What about the Dual-Core processors x licensing ?    Regards    FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 06:01:49 -0400 ( From: nojunk <nojunk@nojunk.hotmail.com> Subject: *.CDD file for CONNX 3 Message-ID: <4157e50b$0$4033$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>   F I have installed CONNX8.X which is a middle between VMX and WindowsXP.D Would anyone please tell me how to generat configuration file *.CDD? Thans.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:47:19 -0500 2 From: "-Andy-" <see2go4me@spamdelicious.yahoo.com>! Subject: Re: *.CDD file for CONNX 6 Message-ID: <Xns95716DC66C308see2go4me@216.196.97.131>  5 nojunk <nojunk@nojunk.hotmail.com> enlightened us on   27 Sep 2004 with:   5 > I have installed CONNX8.X which is a middle between  > VMX and WindowsXP.   I assume you mean VMS?  , > Would anyone please tell me how to generat" > configuration file *.CDD? Thans.  $ Did you try their ( CONNX ) website?       	http://www.connx.com   4 Last time I checked (seconds ago) they have several 9 versions of their user documentation on-line (Look under  8 'Support'). I also believe it is available as a MS Help & file as part of a CONNX installation. + (At least that's where I think I got it...)    -Andy-    --  4 You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant -- Excepting Alice   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:00:58 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: As seen in WSJ , Message-ID: <wtKdnbKxl8aytsXcRVn-ow@igs.net>  $ Intel Chip Effort Is Hit by H-P Move   By DON CLARK) Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL  September 27, 2004; Page B5   H Intel Corp.'s struggle to popularize a second microprocessor family tookG another blow, as partner Hewlett-Packard Co. said it will stop offering = desktop workstations based on Intel's Itanium microprocessor.   H The Itanium chip, designed with help from H-P in a project kicked off inH 1994, originally was billed as a successor to the popular Intel X86 chipH technology that began in personal computers and spread to low-end serverH systems. But the first Itanium chips didn't arrive until 2001, about twoE years late, and didn't handle customers' existing software as well as 	 expected.   E Intel, Santa Clara, Calif., had decided by then to target Itanium for K high-end servers and workstations, designed to exploit 64-bit programs that D can tap into larger pools of memory than earlier 32-bit chips. RivalG Advanced Micro Devices Inc. instead added 64-bit capabilities to 32-bit F chips, allowing customers to use both old and new software on the sameG computers. Intel was forced to emulate that approach earlier this year.   F H-P, Palo Alto, Calif., still is shifting three of its server lines toG Itanium. But the company in February also began selling low-end servers I based on AMD's Opteron chips, as well as on Intel Xeon chips that feature  similar 64-bit extensions.  J An H-P spokeswoman said the company decided to stop offering Itanium-basedL workstations because customers prefer the extended 64-bit approach. She saidL the decision doesn't weaken the company's commitment to Itanium for high-end servers.  I Some other companies, including Dell Inc., had discontinued Itanium-based L workstations. Intel spokesman Robert Manetta played down the impact of H-P'sE step. "The workstation market has never really been a major focus for E Itanium," he said. "We continue full speed ahead on the server side."   F Separately, Intel said it has decided not to offer technology that wasB expected to turn PCs into hubs for managing wireless networks. TheK communication features were discussed in June as an enhancement to a set of C accessory chips, known by the code name Grantsdale that connect its + microprocessors to other components in PCs.   K Consumers and businesses now buy separate devices called access points that H allow users with laptop computers to connect wirelessly to the Internet,H using a communications technology called WiFi. Intel said PC makers haveL told the company that they didn't need such technology built into computers.  G One reason is that access points are dropping quickly in price, and the 9 enhancement would boost the cost of Intel's 915 chip set.   F Moreover, the feature isn't needed to encourage growth of the wirelessJ market. "That is already happening," said Tom Beerman, an Intel spokesman.  J Though not expected to be much of a financial blow, the development is theI latest in a string of schedule changes and technical snafus since late in J the spring. The earlier missteps prompted an angry memo by Chief Executive. Craig Barrett to Intel employees back in July.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:05:32 +0200 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>L Subject: Re: Certs last 2 years - VMS "4", slowaris "65" and still counting!3 Message-ID: <005501c4a460$60d1e2c0$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,  G Bob, AFAIK Andrew will read 10% of Solaris security bugs are unpatched. E This is much better as 25% unpatched security bugs under OpenVMS 7.x.  Right?   Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2004 05:10:28 -0700( From: tjonard@usa.net (Thomas A. Jonard)L Subject: Re: Certs last 2 years - VMS "4", slowaris "65" and still counting!< Message-ID: <3ad0fd0.0409270410.7872e39a@posting.google.com>  c "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message news:<005501c4a460$60d1e2c0$994614ac@wat153>...  > Hello, > I > Bob, AFAIK Andrew will read 10% of Solaris security bugs are unpatched. G > This is much better as 25% unpatched security bugs under OpenVMS 7.x.  > Right? >  > Best regards R. Wingert   D Why yes, six unpatched bugs (and two partially fixed) IS much better than one unpatched bug!  ROFL    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2004 07:42:02 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)L Subject: Re: Certs last 2 years - VMS "4", slowaris "65" and still counting!< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0409270642.ed3286d@posting.google.com>  c "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message news:<005501c4a460$60d1e2c0$994614ac@wat153>...  > Hello, > I > Bob, AFAIK Andrew will read 10% of Solaris security bugs are unpatched. G > This is much better as 25% unpatched security bugs under OpenVMS 7.x.  > Right? >  > Best regards R. Wingert    25% of 4 = 1   10% of 65 = 6.5    I think I would take vms ... :)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:56:18 -0400 5 From: "rob kas" <droprob@nospam-paychoice.com-nospam> L Subject: Re: Certs last 2 years - VMS "4", slowaris "65" and still counting!0 Message-ID: <10lgag4jrud0m96@corp.supernews.com>  6 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 6 news:d7791aa1.0409270642.ed3286d@posting.google.com...6 > "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message 1 > news:<005501c4a460$60d1e2c0$994614ac@wat153>... 	 >> Hello,  >>J >> Bob, AFAIK Andrew will read 10% of Solaris security bugs are unpatched.H >> This is much better as 25% unpatched security bugs under OpenVMS 7.x.	 >> Right?  >> >> Best regards R. Wingert >  > 25% of 4 = 1 >  > 10% of 65 = 6.5  > ! > I think I would take vms ... :)     M                 The question will you have anything to run it on in a couple   years.....  :(  :                                                        Rob        ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:56:12 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> E Subject: Re: For Sale:  2 x DEC 4000-720 (rack-mounted) plus add-ons. + Message-ID: <2rqh4hF1dsml4U1@uni-berlin.de>    Roy Omond wrote:6 > I have reluctantly decided to part with my beautiful > machines as described below: >  > 8 > 2 x DEC 4000-720 (each with 2 Alpha 21064 processors),6 > each with 256 Mbytes, in a rack-mount cabinet.  Each; > machine has 4 x DSSI buses, + one DSSI/SCSI (configurable 7 > as either DSSI or SCSI) bus.  Futurebus+, 2 x 10 Mbit 5 > Ethernet adaptors each, 1 TLZ04 DAT (I think) each, < > 1 CD drive (can't remember which model) each.  The systems: > have been switched off for a couple of years, though I'm< > pretty confident that they'll be in working order (this is1 > after all *DEC* equipment, not Compaq or HP ;-)   : These beautiful machines have now been adopted by a kindly; soul in the UK.  Despite being dismantled (an angle grinder 7 was also used), the new owner (hi G. !) will, I'm sure, 8 offer them tender loving care in their new surroundings.  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2004 07:53:00 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)> Subject: Get a grip! Itanium rx1600 servers selling for $1499!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0409270653.4724dd14@posting.google.com>   8 I just emailed Mark Gorham, and the current small box to7 be supported by vms is the 1600 server model ... and he 5 said right now, they are $1499, normally $2999 ... so  get a grip!    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:10:01 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> B Subject: Re: Get a grip! Itanium rx1600 servers selling for $1499!' Message-ID: <41582D49.4050901@MMaz.com>    Bob Ceculski wrote:   9 >I just emailed Mark Gorham, and the current small box to 8 >be supported by vms is the 1600 server model ... and he6 >said right now, they are $1499, normally $2999 ... so >get a grip! >    > G Wait a little longer and HP might be giving them away just to get rind  
 of them...     Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2004 01:55:27 -0700' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) 5 Subject: Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations = Message-ID: <734da31c.0409270055.2cface07@posting.google.com>   o "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<3tWdnRBYHM86zcrcRVn-vQ@metrocastcablevision.com>...  > M > Of course, there's also the question of just how many "Customers are buying N > Superdomes to run Windows 64 with 64 bit SQL Server":  are there really veryI > many clueless customers with large amounts of money to waste out there? N > I've certainly heard people whose observations I trust a good deal more thanF > yours state that there's virtually no use of Windows in large ItanicJ > systems, but if you've got *actual numbers* to report I won't call you a< > liar without more substantial evidence of my own to offer.  F I think I have seen HP saying about 30% of Superdome sales are Windows installations.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2004 11:27:01 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) 5 Subject: Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations ! Message-ID: <fL3jJQrnzXCu@sinead>   u In article <41575cae$0$32130$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> writes:    T > http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/openvms_plans.html > 	 > Says...  > O > MultiMedia Services -  Audio not supported on Itanium servers, so MMS is not  	 > needed.  >  > Alex    L Hum, rather bad news... Happy i've bought a DS15 with Ensoniq sound card at 0 work  and plan to buy another one for home use.   J I have no problems using a server as a workstation (DS10 and DS15 are fineI workstation at least for my use), but having no sound support on IA64 is   pretty stupid.     Patrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)      ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 05:45:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations , Message-ID: <4157E12B.4FC719D1@teksavvy.com>   David Svensson wrote: H > I think I have seen HP saying about 30% of Superdome sales are Windows > installations.  K Since IA64 based products represent at last time it was published, slightly N less than 20% of enterprise revenus, and since most customers are still buyingN PaRisc based Superdomes, the above statistic by itself is dubious. Perhaps 30%) of IA64 based Superdomes are for Windows.   I And since IA64 represents such a small part of enterprise revenus, a high < number of systems means that they must be deeply discounted.  L Furthermore, if the IA64 systems sold is quite low, then it is quite easy to( achieve a high % number for one product.  L A bit like Tandem products whose sales would jump 100% during a quarter whenM they sold a new system, or Digital that was able to claim the fastest growing J PC maker when they went from 1 to 500 units in one quarter, showing a 500% growth rate :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2004 08:13:20 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations 3 Message-ID: <10PF5n14P0lz@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <734da31c.0409260007.5b52504f@posting.google.com>, icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) writes:  > C > I have not seen HP or VMS engineers saying that a workstation was E > about to be supported? I have also not seen any indication that the # > servers will not have a VGA port?   @   IIRC the $2K box available via DSPP was known as a developer's   workstation.  H   HP has stepped in it up to its neck with marketing confusion, as badlyF   as DEC did when they put "Open" on VMS.  Thier systems have graphics?   cards, but they're not "workstations".  So folks who need VMS .   workstations will think they can't get them.  E   New item for the FAQ?  What's the difference between an IA64 server @   and an IA64 workstation:  the latter term is no longer used by   marketing.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:58:26 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 5 Subject: Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations ' Message-ID: <41581C82.1094478B@aaa.com>   8 "Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40" wrote:  ; > ... but having no sound support on IA64 is pretty stupid.   + (I Expect we are talking VMS here, right ?)   ; Who needs a box in a server room that makes sounds, besides  of the "beep" at power on...  	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Sep 2004 15:08:55 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations + Message-ID: <2rqoo7F1dnfgsU1@uni-berlin.de>   , In article <4156540B.944371D7@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > F > Well, there is FUD aout Sun moving to 8086 so it can abandon Sparc.   B And FUD is all it ever was.  Sun has supported the 8086 for nearlyG two decades without it having any impact on their support and continued & development of the Sparc Architecture.   bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:43:49 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>5 Subject: Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations B Message-ID: <41583535$0$26110$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>  6 Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40 wrote:w > In article <41575cae$0$32130$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> writes:  >    > T >>http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/openvms_plans.html >>	 >>Says...  >>O >>MultiMedia Services -  Audio not supported on Itanium servers, so MMS is not  	 >>needed.  >> >>Alex   >  > N > Hum, rather bad news... Happy i've bought a DS15 with Ensoniq sound card at 2 > work  and plan to buy another one for home use.  > L > I have no problems using a server as a workstation (DS10 and DS15 are fineK > workstation at least for my use), but having no sound support on IA64 is   > pretty stupid.   > 	 > Patrick  > --Q > =============================================================================== P > pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)      ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)6 > moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|L > CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  P > BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |P > 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|P > http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/Q > ===============================================================================   F Actually, the question remains which of the statements represents the B current plan? My PDF link is actually found on the same page Alex G presented. While the PDF has a date of June 10th and the HTML Metadata  A of Alex's page has a date of June 18th it is strange to have two  H opposing statements so close to each other in time. The current OpenVMS H Rolling Roadmap are a couple months older (April) so regardless of what G those plans show, they wouldn't carry the same authority at this point.   I Here's hoping that the standard Itanium Server design has on-board sound  D (didn't see any mention of sound in the specs or accessories of the G entry-level servers) which would be too expensive to remove just to be  H consistent with any HP plans. Then, even if the Multimedia Services are G dropped for the Itanium, a standard sound support could more easily be  I hacked, or maybe even the  Multimedia Services code sometime released to  - the interested public for porting to Itanium.   F On the other hand, since the "No Workstations" announcement hit's the G other OS's as well, (including Linux) perhaps some sound card producer  F will see this as a market opportunity and provide some Itanium Server  sound support.  @ I'm not ready to give-up on the future OpenVMS Desktop just yet!   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg H Who has two DEC 433au (Miata) Personal Workstations on his desk at work.D Many THANKS Patrick! For the CENA & DECW SW Collections you maintain# at http://membres.lycos.fr/pmoreau/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:30:29 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>5 Subject: Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations * Message-ID: <41584024.7090203@prodigy.net>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: : > "Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40" wrote: >  > ; >>... but having no sound support on IA64 is pretty stupid.  >  > - > (I Expect we are talking VMS here, right ?)  > = > Who needs a box in a server room that makes sounds, besides  > of the "beep" at power on... >  > Jan-Erik.   ? If a server makes a sound in a server forest and there's nobody 	 there ...    --  D The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:26:47 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>5 Subject: Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations * Message-ID: <41583F45.5010007@prodigy.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > David Svensson wrote:  > H >>I think I have seen HP saying about 30% of Superdome sales are Windows >>installations. >  > M > Since IA64 based products represent at last time it was published, slightly P > less than 20% of enterprise revenus, and since most customers are still buyingP > PaRisc based Superdomes, the above statistic by itself is dubious. Perhaps 30%+ > of IA64 based Superdomes are for Windows.  > K > And since IA64 represents such a small part of enterprise revenus, a high > > number of systems means that they must be deeply discounted. > N > Furthermore, if the IA64 systems sold is quite low, then it is quite easy to* > achieve a high % number for one product. > N > A bit like Tandem products whose sales would jump 100% during a quarter whenO > they sold a new system, or Digital that was able to claim the fastest growing L > PC maker when they went from 1 to 500 units in one quarter, showing a 500% > growth rate :-)    Wouldn't that be 50000% +/-?   --  D The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:28:21 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>5 Subject: Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations * Message-ID: <41583FA3.7090408@prodigy.net>  6 Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40 wrote:w > In article <41575cae$0$32130$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> writes:  >    > T >>http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/openvms_plans.html >>	 >>Says...  >>O >>MultiMedia Services -  Audio not supported on Itanium servers, so MMS is not  	 >>needed.  >> >>Alex   >  > N > Hum, rather bad news... Happy i've bought a DS15 with Ensoniq sound card at 2 > work  and plan to buy another one for home use.  > L > I have no problems using a server as a workstation (DS10 and DS15 are fineK > workstation at least for my use), but having no sound support on IA64 is   > pretty stupid.    ; No sound support on a server-only box makes complete sense.  > 	 > Patrick  > --Q > =============================================================================== P > pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)      ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)6 > moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|L > CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  P > BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |P > 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|P > http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/Q > ===============================================================================      --  D The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2004 11:42:24 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: Re: HP admits discontinued IA64 workstations 3 Message-ID: <dw$vDf21U$gR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <41581C82.1094478B@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:  > = > Who needs a box in a server room that makes sounds, besides  > of the "beep" at power on...  D    Some of us do have VMS on our desktops, whether HP wants us to or    not.    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2004 06:40:05 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)P Subject: Re: OT:   I'm entering the job market for the second time since 1984...= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0409270540.438110ba@posting.google.com>   w williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb) wrote in message news:<bf98c417.0409241338.3cb6e5df@posting.google.com>... ? > In case any of you wondered where I'd vanished to as of late-  > 9 > Client instituted staffing reductions on our account;   ' > My last day with EDS was 21-SEP-2004.  >  > FYI:   > T > Any eds.com or usps.gov addresses you may have on file for me are no longer valid; > R > 15 years of solid VMS VAX and Alpha experience ranging from desktop to clusters;& > Hardware/Software/System Management. > 9 > I may be reached at the openvms-rocks.com mail address.  >  > Thanks to you all. >  > William W. Webb    William   B I still working for EDS/Brazil. Until 30-NOV-2004. After this dateB I dont know what I will do here... the company which I am working B for (by EDS) is inviting me to work with the Linux team. Next week< the OVMS systems will be freezed because of the SAP startup.7 I prefer to migrate to the Linux/Mainframe (IBM) team.  D And there is the possibility for me to move to another State by EDS,: but after the last news about the 20.000 jobs I am scared.   Regards    FC   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2004 06:12:08 -0700- From: martin.walker@csf.co.uk (Martin Walker) $ Subject: Re: Powerstorm 300 in DS10L< Message-ID: <2462c4e9.0409270512.da12af5@posting.google.com>  2 Is is supported? - No (well, not with VMS) - checkN http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/options/asds10l/asds10l_All_options.html  B Will it fit? Will it work - who knows?  Supported cards are listed there     m shofu_au@yahoo.com.au (Mark Smith) wrote in message news:<8bdc0085.0409252256.6ab50d81@posting.google.com>...  > Hi Group,  > 7 > I am planning to buy a hobbist DS10L from the USA.     > 6 > I have a spare Powerstorm 300 video card I can use.  > N > I have asked two different resellers whether this will fit into the DS10L.   > % > One said yes and the other said no.  > < > Will the Powerstorm 300 fit into and is supported by DS10L >  > Thanks >  > Mark.    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2004 09:44:47 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)$ Subject: Re: Powerstorm 300 in DS10L= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0409270844.1a99f1eb@posting.google.com>   m shofu_au@yahoo.com.au (Mark Smith) wrote in message news:<8bdc0085.0409252256.6ab50d81@posting.google.com>...  > Hi Group,  > 7 > I am planning to buy a hobbist DS10L from the USA.     > 6 > I have a spare Powerstorm 300 video card I can use.  > N > I have asked two different resellers whether this will fit into the DS10L.   > % > One said yes and the other said no.  > < > Will the Powerstorm 300 fit into and is supported by DS10L >  > Thanks >  > Mark.   F Can't provide a definite answer (no DS10-L here).  The specs list  theE slot as a full-length 64-bit PCI slot, but the PS300 is not listed as7E supported in any of the docs I have on hand.  The Radeon 7500, Oxygenc9 VX1, GLoria Synergy, video/NIC (3X-DEPVD-AA) and trifectaDF (3X-DEPVZ-AA) are all I could find.  I have no idea if any of them are! full length cards like the PS300.   E Give it a try and see.  The 1-slot limit is why I'm holding out for a E full-size DS10, but the prices on those are just staying too high fort now.   Rich Jordane CCSa   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2004 08:03:53 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) F Subject: Re: Slashdot is reporting HP is dropping Itanium workstations3 Message-ID: <6JpTOKdJ+HaU@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  \ In article <4155E839.2D59D2EC@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Robert Deininger wrote:aM >> The servers all support 2D graphics hardware, which is fine for DECwindowsoJ >> and most other "graphics" applications.  The rx2600 and the rx4640 bothH >> have "deskside" mounting options; they don't have to be rack-mounted. > P > Yes, but if HP have decided to no longer make workstations based on IA64, thenE > how do you know that the above statement will continue to be true ?j  B    One more nail in the "Industry Standard" coffin.  Try to find aG    manager or a customer who doesn't think "Industry Standard" is a PC,i    workstation implied.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:25:16 GMTd4 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>F Subject: Re: Slashdot is reporting HP is dropping Itanium workstations3 Message-ID: <whW5d.11732$I84.9124@news.cpqcorp.net>   @ "Vance Haemmerle" <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> wrote in message7 news:Fq85d.19797$QJ3.4151@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:3 > > "Glenn Everhart" <gce@gce.com> wrote in message $ > > news:41545022.7050107@gce.com... > >PC > >>Anyone able to tell if it is so? If so what of our favorite OS?P > >>Glenn Everhart > >P > >cH > > Those paying attention would have noticed that the zx2000 and zx6000 never-% > > showed up on the OpenVMS roadmap.0 > >rL > > While I am not happy about it, I have said for a long time that it isn't: > > possible to compete with a high-end PC on the desktop. > >o > >  > >i >KC >    Here's the chance to get VMS supported on Itanium workstations9 > from other vendors. ;)  D There is no such thing.  But if you know of one, please let me know.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:30:22 GMTi4 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>F Subject: Re: Slashdot is reporting HP is dropping Itanium workstations3 Message-ID: <imW5d.11733$Ip4.9275@news.cpqcorp.net>e  . "Nigel Barker" <nigel@hp.com> wrote in message2 news:cbaal0p0tv8l5r8nfl2amr36tokh2anhpc@4ax.com.... > On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:57:35 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> > wrote: >t > >Glenn Everhart wrote: > >>D > >> Anyone able to tell if it is so? If so what of our favorite OS? > >> Glenn Everharty > >lG > >If this is only a slashdot thing, then I don't take it as completelyp authoritative. > >RJ > >Having said this, I am not surprised at all. When Intel announced years agooI > >that IA64 wasn't going to make it to desktop and would be relegated to  nicheiK > >high end computing, it effectively meant that it woudln't make it in thee > >workstation market. > >OL > >Assuming this the story is real, one must now keep our eyes opened to see ifK > >HP will produce something like the DS15 that can be used both as a small2 > >server and a workstation. >i > That would be the rx1600.h >sG > >The possible impact of having no longer any workstations is that VMSc	 engineerscL > >will be forced to drop Xwindows support/development since they won't have any  > >hardware to run it on.o > A > Not true. VGA output is available on all the Integrity servers.h >e  K An embedded graphics option is available on Integrity Servers, either builtbH in, as part of the Management Processor option, or as a special PCI card with graphics and USB.  K That built in graphics is a 16mb ATI chip that is used in the Radeon 7000 - I which is 2D and very low-end 3D.  We will be offering the Radeon 7500 PCI G card as an option on the 1-4 socket Integrity Server platforms.  We are < currently in the process of planning future add-on graphics.  B I would expect HP Itanium servers to always provide base graphics.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:33:16 GMTA4 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>F Subject: Re: Slashdot is reporting HP is dropping Itanium workstations3 Message-ID: <0pW5d.11734$zp4.7806@news.cpqcorp.net>i  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:4155E839.2D59D2EC@teksavvy.com... > Robert Deininger wrote:" >nH > > All the VMS IA64 systems will support graphics when V8.2 ships.  Ok? >iF > Yes, because all those boxes predate HP's decision to widthdraw fromL > workstation market. But as you said so often, what about all those servers > that are in the pipeline ? >u  L The graphics embedded on the Integrity Servers had/have no connection to theI workstation business.  They are their in response to a need.  One is that H Windows prefers it.  The second is that in rack configurations, a single; flat panel, KB and mouse connected to a KVM is very common.a   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2004 07:22:48 -0700( From: don.braffitt@hp.com (Don Braffitt)8 Subject: Re: Sorting using hypersort from COBOL on Alpha= Message-ID: <e5c311b8.0409270622.7e05de81@posting.google.com>l  9 aagaard@bestcomputer.com (Leif Aagaard) wrote in message l  H > I have a problem in that hpersort does well on files less than 200,000E > records begin sorted from within COBOL.  I am running an alpsservers2 > DS20E with 2GB memory and running OpenVMS 7.3-2. > A > The job to sort 300K records has been running for over 14 hrs. cH > Normally is should run in less than 15 min.  The software we are usingF > changed it's sorting from external SORT to internal sort from within > COBOL.  B This is a known problem with Hypersort on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 andD earlier versions. We are working on a fix for OpenVMS Alpha V8.2. AsB a temporary workaround, you should use SORT32 in these situations.@ Also, make sure that your page file quota is at most 1/3 of your3 working set extent with either SORT32 or Hypersort.o  C > Is there any way to specify the number of files used in sorting. >E > Using the extenal sort, I was using /work_files=100 and that worked@ > great.  G No. /WORK_FILES is supported by the DCL commands SORT and MERGE but notX from within COBOL programs.m   - Don BraffittL   project leader, HP COBOL, SORT32, and Hypersort for OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 06:33:42 GMTa+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) > Subject: Re: Windoze not rebooted monthly shuts down airports!3 Message-ID: <avO5d.18174$Gk4.8796@fe1.texas.rr.com>S  - Keith A. Lewis (lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG) wrote:c : 
 : What's NSK?e : H Non-Stop Kernel, the operating system of the former Tandem product line.   --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:41:06 +0200c! From: Soterro <soterroatyahoocom>oC Subject: Re: ZIP "-V" v. UNIX, et al.: Problem, possible solutions.l: Message-ID: <4157d1a2$0$5451$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>  : David J "works that way because I said so" Dachtera wrote:> > Statements like that make you look silly and inexperienced.   E Well, then why do you even bother answering me here? (and ignored my aG private mail) Since when does my image really concern COV? I just hope  % you aren't working in tech support...   H Please move on to the original poster if you _really_ have something to H say against a ZIP fix. Incidentally, you can't use l334 bashing there ;)   Sa  C PS: my apologies to the others, which had to endure this pointless f conversation. EOT    ------------------------------   Date: 27 SEP 2004 16:12:57 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>iE Subject: Re: [DCL REQUEST] New ignore keyword for DIFFERENCES commando2 Message-ID: <27SEP04.16125726@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  J In a previous article, "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> wrote:3 > On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:36:00 UTC, Dave Greenwood e > <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote:e >  l > <Snip> >  oK > > /IGNORE=SPACING ignores "Extra blank spaces or tabs within data lines."eN > > according to HELP DIFF/IGNORE.  So I think that would solve the problem ofM > > "$" and "!" separated by any combination of spaces and tabs - assuming it G > > was applied before checking for multi-character comment delimiters.a > >  > > Dave > > --------------= > > Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVuL > > Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself >  aC > I seem to remember that I still occasionally curse the fact that iE > /ig=sp still gives me differences when one file has spaces and the yD > other tabs. You said in another thread you believed that multiple H > white space was collapsed to single occurrence (of that character) andG > that's fair. I'd still occasionally like to be able to force DIFF to dH > have the single tab or space treated as equals and be ignored. I'm notE > saying I would like the bahaviour changed (hey I'm a VMS bigot and oG > backward compatibility is a big thing for me) but a new option would s > be nice. e.g.- >    > 	/ignore=white_space  E I thought I had had similar problems also.  But I just did some quickaH tests, and it appears to me that /IGNORE=SPACING converts 1 or more tabsF (or spaces) to a single space.  That seems to already do what you were requesting above.   G What I'd like to see added is /IGNORE=LEADING_SPACES (there's already anC /IGNORE=TRAILING_SPACES).  That would let me add/remove indentationnE to/from data lines in .COMs and still use DIFF to insure that's all Im changed.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:04:18 +0000 (UTC)t6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)B Subject: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] DCL Command Line Length in EVE/TPU1 Message-ID: <newscache$h82p4i$pm42$1@news.sil.at>o  H I just entered a long DCL command line within EVE (with the DCL and withI the SPAWN prefix) at the "Command:" prompt and was quite surprised to getoG a "Line truncated to 256 characters" because my command length was only = about 160 (but containing quotes if this makes a difference).a  ! What could have been wrong here ?t" Can you reproduce this behaviour ?= Is there a good way to enter longer DCL commands within EVE ?e7 Do you know of any plans to support current DCL commandt9 line lengths (2048) also within EVE/TPU (say with V8.2) ?-   TIA-   -- e Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist. E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:45:00 +0000 (UTC)06 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)H Subject: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] Problem with (too ?) many PRINT commands1 Message-ID: <newscache$aw6p4i$6252$1@news.sil.at>-  H I just had the requirement to print a lot of logfiles and wrote a littleG DCL script (from a SEARCH output) containing about 280 ($ PRINT) lines.cL During running it, I got (after about 100 lines) a hang and an error message  > -JBC-F-QMANABORT, request failed because queue manager aborted  F Why ? Running out on Event Flags ? PRINT is supposed to finish SNDJBCW@ before returning to DCL so it can't be an event flag issue here.F OTOH, the queue manager might use eventflags internally which run out.A But should it terminate the PRINT then or should it let it wait ?r  J I snipped the skript (removed the first about 100 lines) and ran it again.5 This time it aborted (after about 50 lines only) withr  9 -JBC-E-JOBQUEDIS, system job queue manager is not runnings  L and indeed, it had died (but if I read the accounting right with -S-NORMAL!)   So, what to do ?M Workaround is to use a WAIT between the PRINT, but what is the official way ?0   TIA4   -- e Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialista E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:47:26 +01001- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>sL Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] Problem with (too ?) many PRINT commands8 Message-ID: <4o2gl0h22udota1sajestus5jvo6sg3rc1@4ax.com>  E On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:45:00 +0000 (UTC), peter@langstoeger.at (Peterc 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote:4  I >I just had the requirement to print a lot of logfiles and wrote a little H >DCL script (from a SEARCH output) containing about 280 ($ PRINT) lines.M >During running it, I got (after about 100 lines) a hang and an error message9 >4? >-JBC-F-QMANABORT, request failed because queue manager aborted% > G >Why ? Running out on Event Flags ? PRINT is supposed to finish SNDJBCWcA >before returning to DCL so it can't be an event flag issue here.dG >OTOH, the queue manager might use eventflags internally which run out. B >But should it terminate the PRINT then or should it let it wait ? >aK >I snipped the skript (removed the first about 100 lines) and ran it again. 6 >This time it aborted (after about 50 lines only) with >-: >-JBC-E-JOBQUEDIS, system job queue manager is not running > M >and indeed, it had died (but if I read the accounting right with -S-NORMAL!)7 >( >So, what to do ?aN >Workaround is to use a WAIT between the PRINT, but what is the official way ?  L I wonder if you have some corruption in the main queue database ?  No matterL how PRINT (SUBMIT actually) or the queue manager is put together internally,E nothing should break this easily.  I'm not sure if there are any realbI diagnostic functions available outside VMS engineering, but you could tryeJ stopping the queue manager and running ANAL/RMS on the database file.  The2 usual fix for problems in that area is a new file.   -- s5 Man with ice cubes wishes to meet woman with Scotch. h   Mail john rather than nospam...l   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.537 ************************e beautiful machines have now been adopted by a kindly; soul in the UK.  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