1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 07 Apr 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 193       Contents: Re: Broken vax4000 Re: Broken vax4000 Re: Broken vax4000 Re: Broken vax4000 Re: Broken vax4000 Re: Broken vax4000 Re: Broken vax4000 Re: Broken vax4000 Re: Broken vax4000 Re: Broken vax40005 Re: Frustration!  EB64+ too old to run OpenVMS 7.3-1? 4 Re: Frustration! EB64+ too old to run OpenVMS 7.3-1?4 Re: Frustration! EB64+ too old to run OpenVMS 7.3-1?4 Re: High File Watermarking question for Hoff Hoffman4 Re: High File Watermarking question for Hoff Hoffman4 Re: High File Watermarking question for Hoff Hoffman4 Re: High File Watermarking question for Hoff Hoffman- Hobbyists - you have a friend in the business 1 Re: Hobbyists - you have a friend in the business 1 Re: Hobbyists - you have a friend in the business / Making a mail message visible to the POP server % Re: poor  disk I/O performace on ds25 $ Re: poor disk I/O performace on ds25 power quote of the day* Re: problem with router---NAT and caching? Re: Script Kiddie tarpit wanted  Re: Script Kiddie tarpit wanted  Re: Script Kiddie tarpit wanted  SCSI-3
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 Re: SCSI-3< Semi-OT:  "VHA, The Best Care Anywhere" (Washington Monthly) Re: Site down? Re: Site down? Re: Site down? Re: Site down?. Re: SUBMIT/USER needs write access to SYSUAF ?& Re: Synergex/DE Now on OpenVMS Itanium+ Re: There is certainly opportunity in chaos  Re: Time change questions  Re: Time change questions E Re: Which release notes say sts$manager:utc$configure_tdf is obsolete   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:45:39 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> Subject: Re: Broken vax4000 ( Message-ID: <42542E53.C8E2985C@mist.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > O > In article <4252FCFE.723B104A@mist.com>, GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> writes:  > :Hoff Hoffman wrote: > :>R > :> In article <4252D6D2.68F70223@mist.com>, GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> writes: > :> :My vax just died...  > :>   VAXstation 4000 VLC?  > :Yes, this model.  > ! > :Using Putty to access the box.  > K >   How you connect into the console serial line is rather less interesting K >   here than what is displayed during the console self-test.  If anything.  > = > :Yes, the fans spin up.  The power supply seems to be fine, ; > :and the hard drive makes an attempt at booting but stops  > :quite quickly.  > F >   I would be interested in the output from the console self-test, ifI >   anything.  (Not knowing what you are hearing, I'm not certain if what I >   you are reporting here is the disk spinning up and loading its heads, I >   or if you are hearing the start of the system bootstrap and some sort I >   of a bootstrap failure.  This is why the console output is a key clue G >   here, as that -- if you can get as far as the console self-tests -- F >   will indicate if there is a hardware problem, or a problem booting >   OpenVMS VAX.)  > . > I have a MAU external converter and the leds. > :light up.  Just no communications going on. > E >   Putty can be used over the network or over a serial line, and the B >   reference to MAU implies a network connection and not a serialD >   connection.  You need to use the console serial line here.  (TheD >   pinouts and such are listed in the FAQ -- I'm obviously guessingD >   here that you do not presently utilize the console serial line.) > E >   Select the S3 switch upwards, connect to the MMJ on the back (and C >   the pinouts and adapters are in the FAQ), set the terminal, the E >   terminal emulator or what-ever to 9600 8N1.  Power-cycle the box.  >   ; Getting the appropriate connector is going to be a problem.   D >   You should see the console output.  This output is likely key toD >   the troubleshooting of your reported bootstrap failure.  (If youC >   get no console output on power-up, the box is _really_ sick, or E >   the adapter, wiring, terminal or terminal emulator, or the serial - >   connection is somehow incorrect or sick.)   : Looks like I got a forger trailing me on this one for some reason or another.  8 Anyways, I did some looking around on the net and didn't find too much info on the VLC.8 The backside status leds change state during startup and eventually are not lit up. Does this mean anything??   < I also understand that there is onboard audio but no speaker7 connected to it.  It is said that the startup self test + chirps upon successful completion of tests.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:48:24 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> Subject: Re: Broken vax4000 ( Message-ID: <42542EF8.96A6649F@mist.com>   Tom Linden wrote:  > H > On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:43:39 GMT, Hoff Hoffman <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote: > I > > In article <4252FCFE.723B104A@mist.com>, GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>  > > writes:  > > :Hoff Hoffman wrote: > > :>L > > :> In article <4252D6D2.68F70223@mist.com>, GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> > > writes:  > > :> :My vax just died...  > > :>   VAXstation 4000 VLC?  > > :Yes, this model.  > > # > > :Using Putty to access the box.  > > M > >   How you connect into the console serial line is rather less interesting M > >   here than what is displayed during the console self-test.  If anything.  > K > PuTTY is a telnet or SSH interface, so it is relevant.  It appears he has I > some sort of BillyBox running PuTTY.  What he needs to do is to connect K > hyperterminal 9600-8-N-1 to the serial port.  Of course if CONSOLE is not I > set serial then there is a problam and he will need to connect directly  > to the graphics port  6 Where do I acquire an adaptor to allow a 15 pin din to connect to the graphics port? 4 I understand it is "Sync-on-Green" type of protocol.4 The back bank of led status indicators (yellow leds)$ eventually settle on nothing lit up.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:44:20 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: Broken vax4000 ( Message-ID: <opsotqb6xazgicya@hyrrokkin>  G On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:48:24 -0600, GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:   8 > Where do I acquire an adaptor to allow a 15 pin din to > connect to the graphics port? 6 > I understand it is "Sync-on-Green" type of protocol.6 > The back bank of led status indicators (yellow leds)& > eventually settle on nothing lit up.  8 I am not familiar with the 4000 VLC, but am with /60 /90A Seems to me that if CONSOLE is set to graphics rather than serial D and there is no graphics device atteched, won't it revert to serial?@ If so then attach a serial cable from the VAX to the COM port onD Windows and user hyperterminal and you should see the SRM prompt >>>  D If that is not true.  What does the graphics output look like on theE VAX?  If it is a connector with three sma's in a D style housing then H you will need a cable to go from that to VGA, which may take two cables.J The cable that came with my 4000's were of this type with 3 BNC connectors: at the other end.  From another thread I posted following:  5 I used 3 BNC couplers between, to connect two cables, ) 1 3-sma to 3 BNC  (VISI  2494  150050591) @ 2 3 BNC to VGA stype  (local computer store) Use only 3 of 5 BNC   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:59:25 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> Subject: Re: Broken vax4000 - Message-ID: <4253F94D.6227.AE09093@localhost>   ( On 6 Apr 2005 at 12:45, GreyCloud wrote:= > Getting the appropriate connector is going to be a problem.   C I have a whole bag of MMJ connectors, and the appropriate crimping  6 tool.  I could make you a cable with a DB-9 for $25...  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:24:37 GMT ( From: Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com> Subject: Re: Broken vax4000 2 Message-ID: <VHW4e.3137$Hl2.1948@news.cpqcorp.net>  H I have a VLC owner's guide.  Send me an email if you want me to fax you  a few pages.  H If the system detects an error during the startup tests, the diagnostic F lights remain lit.  When the system is running, all of the diagnostic  lights are off.   = The audio adapter is pin-compatible with a telephone handset.    Mark > < > Looks like I got a forger trailing me on this one for some > reason or another. > : > Anyways, I did some looking around on the net and didn't  > find too much info on the VLC.: > The backside status leds change state during startup and > eventually are not lit up. > Does this mean anything??  > > > I also understand that there is onboard audio but no speaker9 > connected to it.  It is said that the startup self test - > chirps upon successful completion of tests.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:21:48 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: Broken vax4000 0 Message-ID: <115926pi1f2h757@corp.supernews.com>   Stanley F. Quayle wrote:* > On 6 Apr 2005 at 12:45, GreyCloud wrote: > = >>Getting the appropriate connector is going to be a problem.  >  > E > I have a whole bag of MMJ connectors, and the appropriate crimping  8 > tool.  I could make you a cable with a DB-9 for $25... >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------/ > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 5 > 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 2 > stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com >  >  > I Come on Stan, shameless plugs for Charon are one thing.  $25 for a cable  G with $3 of parts is another.  The newsgroup isn't for commercial stuff.    Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:45:51 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> Subject: Re: Broken vax4000 - Message-ID: <4254588F.8844.C54A0E7@localhost>   * On 6 Apr 2005 at 21:21, Dave Froble wrote:D > Come on Stan, shameless plugs for Charon are one thing.  $25 for aH > cable with $3 of parts is another.  The newsgroup isn't for commercial > stuff.  C It's sort of like the engineer joke about knowing where to put the  B chalk mark.  Actually, I've written up the details on my web site  (for free):   !   http://www.stanq.com/cable.html   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2005 18:49:18 -0700 " From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk Subject: Re: Broken vax4000 C Message-ID: <1112838558.851110.267480@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Kofi Anan wrote: > I didn't use the vlc' > for at least a year, as I have moved.   C In that case, it's probably stuck at a console prompt asking you to A enter date and time. Tomorrow, I'll check on one I have here that E hasn't been used for a similar period. You really do need that cable. G I'd offer to send you one from my vast stock inherited when my employer @ gave up DECcing, but it'd probably cost >$25 p&p from here (UK).  ? You might also check your MAU, as IME they're a bit fragile and " sometimes even explode, literally!   Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:48:05 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: Broken vax4000 ( Message-ID: <opsoucqfcgzgicya@hyrrokkin>  7 On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:45:51 -0400, Stanley F. Quayle    <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote:   , > On 6 Apr 2005 at 21:21, Dave Froble wrote:E >> Come on Stan, shameless plugs for Charon are one thing.  $25 for a I >> cable with $3 of parts is another.  The newsgroup isn't for commercial 	 >> stuff.  > D > It's sort of like the engineer joke about knowing where to put theC > chalk mark.  Actually, I've written up the details on my web site 
 > (for free): C Allright Dave you have the specs, courtesy of Stan, would you do it  for $25? > # >   http://www.stanq.com/cable.html  >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------/ > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 5 > 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 2 > stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:47:23 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  Subject: Re: Broken vax4000 ' Message-ID: <4254BB5B.2080308@MMaz.com>    Dave Froble wrote:   > Stanley F. Quayle wrote: > ? >>> Getting the appropriate connector is going to be a problem.  >> >>F >> I have a whole bag of MMJ connectors, and the appropriate crimping 9 >> tool.  I could make you a cable with a DB-9 for $25...  >>E > Come on Stan, shameless plugs for Charon are one thing.  $25 for a  I > cable with $3 of parts is another.  The newsgroup isn't for commercial   > stuff. >  Dave,   G you miss two very fundamental aspects regarding Stan's offer that that  H should be seriously considered before take a shot charging $25 to fab a   cable and help this person out.   F First, answering a question on COV for 'free' is one thing.  Actually H doing work for someone is a totally different story and though I'm sure H you love what you do, I doubt you would do it for free and his offer is E no different that any merchant offering products or services on COV.    I Second, the person that needed the cable stated that obtaining one would  C be a problem; presumably because they did not have the connectors,  H cable, crimper, and soldering gear.  I would challenge you to purchase, H not pull out of your drawer, all of that for $25 but even if you could, I then what is your time worth?  I suspect that most IT folks on this list  H have a wage that is between $25 to $80/hour, so when it is all said and I done, Stan's offer to help this person out for $25 could be considered a  
 bargain...   Barry    --    < Barry Treahy, Jr                     E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com< Midwest Microwave, Inc.                  Phone: 480/314-1320< Vice President & CIO                      FAX:  480/661-7028  I                        ... but it's a DRY HEAT!                              ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2005 16:15:48 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) > Subject: Re: Frustration!  EB64+ too old to run OpenVMS 7.3-1?3 Message-ID: <LgHEju79mCY+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <d301m2$gc7$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: H > In article <3Yy4e.2985$vH.1818@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff > Hoffman) writes:   > D >>   I would personally aim for an AlphaStation series, including anC >>   XP900, XP1000 or equivalent box.  I would not acquire an Alpha D >>   system with less than an EV56 processor, and I would prefer and7 >>   would look for an EV6-class processor, or better.   > H > Why?  Obviously, these are more powerful machines.  Assuming, however,D > that one doesn't need the power, is there a reason to say "EV56 or" > later, preferably EV6 or later"?  ? For one thing, for current used equipment prices on eBay, exact ? cpu contents seems to matter a lot less than phase of the moon.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2005 18:43:19 -0700 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> = Subject: Re: Frustration! EB64+ too old to run OpenVMS 7.3-1? C Message-ID: <1112838199.059904.272630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:F > In article <d301m2$gc7$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de2 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:D > > In article <3Yy4e.2985$vH.1818@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff  > > Hoffman) writes: > > F > >>   I would personally aim for an AlphaStation series, including anE > >>   XP900, XP1000 or equivalent box.  I would not acquire an Alpha F > >>   system with less than an EV56 processor, and I would prefer and8 > >>   would look for an EV6-class processor, or better. > > A > > Why?  Obviously, these are more powerful machines.  Assuming,  however,F > > that one doesn't need the power, is there a reason to say "EV56 or$ > > later, preferably EV6 or later"? > A > For one thing, for current used equipment prices on eBay, exact A > cpu contents seems to matter a lot less than phase of the moon.     G As one who has been hoping to catch an XP1000 I can tell you that while C a 256MB PWS600AU usually goes for less than $300, the XP1000/500MHz E rarely go for less than $700 and the 667's for less than $1K.  Also a @ decent AS1200 runs between $300-$600 but I've seen DS20's go forG between $1250 and $2500.  Forget a DS10 (not the "L") for less than $2k E usually.  Since the PWS and AS1200's are EV56 and the XP's and DS20's C are EV6 (or EV67) in basically the same boxes it seems the CPU type ) does make a big difference at the moment.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:29:04 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> = Subject: Re: Frustration! EB64+ too old to run OpenVMS 7.3-1? ( Message-ID: <opsoubuq0rzgicya@hyrrokkin>  8 On 6 Apr 2005 18:43:19 -0700, johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com  ! <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote:    >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:G >> In article <d301m2$gc7$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de 4 > (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:E >> > In article <3Yy4e.2985$vH.1818@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam  > (Hoff  >> > Hoffman) writes:  >> >G >> >>   I would personally aim for an AlphaStation series, including an F >> >>   XP900, XP1000 or equivalent box.  I would not acquire an AlphaG >> >>   system with less than an EV56 processor, and I would prefer and 9 >> >>   would look for an EV6-class processor, or better.  >> >B >> > Why?  Obviously, these are more powerful machines.  Assuming,
 > however,G >> > that one doesn't need the power, is there a reason to say "EV56 or % >> > later, preferably EV6 or later"?  >>B >> For one thing, for current used equipment prices on eBay, exactB >> cpu contents seems to matter a lot less than phase of the moon. >  > I > As one who has been hoping to catch an XP1000 I can tell you that while E > a 256MB PWS600AU usually goes for less than $300, the XP1000/500MHz G > rarely go for less than $700 and the 667's for less than $1K.  Also a B > decent AS1200 runs between $300-$600 but I've seen DS20's go forI > between $1250 and $2500.  Forget a DS10 (not the "L") for less than $2k G > usually.  Since the PWS and AS1200's are EV56 and the XP's and DS20's E > are EV6 (or EV67) in basically the same boxes it seems the CPU type + > does make a big difference at the moment.  > H FWIW I have had a number of PWS 433, 500 and 600 a and au,  I have neverE had a problem changing the clock speed to 600 on any of them, did try E overclocking higher than that but never got beyond 600.  IIRC the 'u' G suffix was for the GL version of the Miata, which had ability to reboot J itself after a power failure, which the Miata stupidly did not.  Also haveH 4 XP1000s running a variety of versions of VMS and have tried reclockingG all of them 667, but that doesn't work.  Someone told me that you could K reclock em if they had the IBM ROMs instead of the Motorolas.  That may be, G but I can't confirm that.  The XP1000 runs considerably hotter than the F PWS, but the performance appears to be much better on a 500 MHz XP1000F then a 600 MHz PWS600 (with L2 cache installed) but I have not done orG needed to any measurements.  I don't notice much difference compiling a C 100 line PL/I program and a null carriage return.  The peripheral   
 contollersI are pretty much interchangezble between the two.  When I replaced one PWS I I simply took the system disk out put it in the XP1000 and rebooted.  Now J that is cool.  Can't compare reliability since I haven't had the XPs  as   long. K I still have a couple of Pelicans running for (knock on wood ...) 10 years.   3 PL/I bigotry is a virtue in defense of intelligence    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 15:49:15 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> = Subject: Re: High File Watermarking question for Hoff Hoffman B Message-ID: <1112816952.53d48c0b8ace311a343f6835c3f41c0d@teranews>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: E > When creating a new sequential file with a huge initial allocation, E > the highwater mark is initially placed at the beginning of block 0.     H What happens if I allocate 1000 blocks in a sequential file. Then, I use5 SET FILE/ATTRIB to make it into a relative file ?????   @ If I backup that file, won't the backup now contain the original@ contents of the file which I could then view by dumping the tape
 contents ?  D If, instead of backup, I use an apapplication that requests relativeE record number 567. Will that block be written with 0s on the disk, or B will the block only be set to 0s by the underlying RMS/file systemH software before the buffer is made available to my application ? Or will# I get access to the original data ?    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2005 15:00:17 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Re: High File Watermarking question for Hoff Hoffman 3 Message-ID: <kH3$FD$ditkX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <BE79249E.B137%roktsci@comcast.net>, Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> writes:  E > 2. When opening a new file using the system service SYS$ASSIGN thus I > bypassing RMS, and not writing filemarks, that the newly allocated disk  > blocks are always all zeros.  E If you move the EOF marker beyond what has been zeroed, or attempt to E read a block beyond the EOF, VMS will return zeros.  This has nothing  to do with RMS.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2005 16:12:24 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Re: High File Watermarking question for Hoff Hoffman 3 Message-ID: <0YxDU5VhiGsN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <BE79219C.B135%roktsci@comcast.net>, Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> writes:M > On 4/5/05 9:02 PM, in article bZNpq01qOQDe@eisner.encompasserve.org, "Larry + > Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:  > ? >> In article <BE787C79.B0C0%roktsci@comcast.net>, Jeff Cameron   >> <roktsci@comcast.net> writes: >>> Dear Hoff, >>> & >>> Settle an argument, if you please. >>> F >>> Is the following true or not, about High file Watermarking in VMS?" >>> Please feel free to elaborate. >>>  >>> Assertion:G >>> On a disk with High File Watermarking enabled, blocks are zeroed on  >>> allocation/extent. >>>  >>> Supplemental: O >>> In the case of sequential files, the bytes between the logical and physical G >>> EOF are also zeroed when the logical file mark location is written.  >>  F >> Note that this is a _different_ assertion than the one in the otherC >> thread, which suggested that blocks on disk would be zeroed when F >> a file is opened, even though the EOF was at the start of the file.	 > Larry,   > I > So now you are saying that when you open a new file that blocks are not L > allocated? If you are contending that I said "Blocks are zeroed on openingF > an existing file", that is NOT what I meant or said. Maybe I did notN > specifically say "When opening a NEW file", but that is what I always meant.  > Opening a file is not the occasion for anything to get zeroed.0 Creating a file with an EOF at the end might be.  < What on earth does opening a NEW file mean that is different from creating a file ?   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2005 21:25:20 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Re: High File Watermarking question for Hoff Hoffman 3 Message-ID: <Tq0dxhKaR99D@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <11592lu8evgkd38@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  G > The bottom line, if the system is in trusted hands, and super secret  J > data is not at issue, turn off the highwater marking.  What do you care < > what's on the disk if you're about to overwrite it anyway?  @ The bottom line is, for most normal use, there is no performanceA penalty for highwater marking, and there _is_ a security benefit.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:00:10 -0400 From: "DavidT" <david@hpaq.net> 6 Subject: Hobbyists - you have a friend in the business0 Message-ID: <11590t231t2do48@news.supernews.com>   www.islandco.com/hobbyist.html     --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:44:13 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>: Subject: Re: Hobbyists - you have a friend in the business+ Message-ID: <4254906D.BFFCD639@comcast.net>   
 DavidT wrote:  >   > www.islandco.com/hobbyist.html  H How ya fixed for RZ40-VAs (or equiv. that I can put into a SW canister)?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:34:43 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: Hobbyists - you have a friend in the businessB Message-ID: <1112837676.26736ea85723b8ba01f65c94a8b78a99@teranews>  
 DavidT wrote:  >   > www.islandco.com/hobbyist.html  H As a suggestion, you should open your program to any DECUS member or itsE descendant organisation around the world, not just the US orgaisation F formerly known as DECUS (I think this week they are called Encompass).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:11:55 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 8 Subject: Making a mail message visible to the POP serverB Message-ID: <1112818312.8dd7bada4424c9c749feb06090983256@teranews>  G Is there a trick to take a read email message and file it in such a way E that the POP server will see the message amd make it available to the  POP client ?  G For instance, my mobile phone is configured to donwload emails from its F own user account on VMS. I'd like to be able to refile emails from theE "interactive" user mailbox into my mobile phone's mailbox so that the < mobile phone (using POP) would then get a copy of the email.  ? I don't want to forward it since after than, the message is not P replyable (sicne it comes from my useraccount instead of the original sender's).  @ Just filing a message in the NEWMAIL folder doesn't do anything.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:10:11 -0700  From: JBloggs@acme.com. Subject: Re: poor  disk I/O performace on ds258 Message-ID: <f4i851tqgd964hphlj8pc0mfllni20751i@4ax.com>  C On 1 Apr 2005 05:48:36 -0800, "Nitendra" <ns_panwar@rediffmail.com>  wrote:  6 >I am running ovms 7.3.2 on alphaserver DS25(dual CPU)B >If I try to do ftp (using 500MB single file)between two DS25 over= >gigabit link back to back. I get performance close to 33Mbps C >(which is even less than what we get normally on 100Mbps network). 1 >I also set MTU to 9000, but no change is result.  > A >I tried to copy same file on one DS25 syetm from one disk(dkb0:) F >to another disk on same system (dkb100:) and the data rate was close  >to 10MBps(80Mbits/sec)   ; Can you clarify/reiterate how many bytes/sec you're seeing, C for the disk-to-disk copy  (to/from same controller, it looks like)  and the network copy?   > I'm wondering, at least for the Gb nic, if you're have it in a@ 33mhz/32bit slot?.  Are you using the on-board disk controllers, or ones in the PCI slots.   - (Perhap post the output of CLUE CONFIG, eg: )  $ analyze/system   SDA> CLUE CONFIG  ; Depending on how much latitude you have to experiment, you  < might also try to copy contiguous files, to freshly init'ed ? (unfragmented) disks, using large extends, to see the best-case # insofar as file-ops are concerned.    ? and for FTP, esp. w/ Gb nics, you might also want to experiment  with the ftp window sizes.      ; also, if not going btw the systems via cross-over cabling,  D look at obvious things, like settings on the respective switch ports (jumbo frames, etc).   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 03:46:28 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>- Subject: Re: poor disk I/O performace on ds25 * Message-ID: <o225e.7079$Q26.3657@trnddc05>   Jeff Cameron wrote:  > On 4/3/05 9:52 PM, in article > > 1112590336.904305.163640@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "AEF"! > <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote:  >  >  >>Jeff Cameron wrote:  >>G >>>On 4/3/05 4:51 PM, in article MtDFgd8imW8V@eisner.encompasserve.org,  >> >>"Larry >>, >>>Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote: >>>  >>> @ >>>>In article <BE756316.ADB0%roktsci@comcast.net>, Jeff Cameron! >>>><roktsci@comcast.net> writes:  >>>>" >>>>>On 4/3/05 8:25 AM, in article >>/ >>Cs2pcQljdA$B@eisner.encompasserve.org, "Larry  >>. >>>>>Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote: >>>>B >>>>>>As I recall there was a time when highwater marking was less >> >>efficient, >>D >>>>>>but the design and current implementation, as I understand it, >> >>are  >> >>>>>>pretty efficient.  >>
 >>Correct. >> >>G >>>>>I was always under the impression that the blocks were zeroed when < >>>>>allocated, to prevent allocating then reading old data. >> >>G >>In older versions of VMS (prob. pre-V5, but I'm not sure, I'd have to D >>check the manuals if I can even find them for such old releases!). >> >> >>F >>>>Zeroing on allocation would not correspond to the name "High Water >> >>Marking",  >>G >>>>since the High Water Mark is the point beyond which the data is not  >> >>from >> >>>>this user. >>> H >>>I can appreciate the meaning behind the nomenclature, but that is not >> >>what >>F >>>is happening. I just got finished writing a test program in FORTRAN >>	 >>where I  >>E >>>used SYS$ASSIGN to open a file of 2048 blocks and used SYS$QIOW to  >>
 >>read the >>C >>>blocks, and when done on a disk with HFWM active all blocks were  >> >>zero, but  >>4 >>>were not on the same disk when HFWM was disabled. >> >>G >>They were zero probably because the system is showing you zeros after D >>the mark (which I assume is at the beginning of the file), when inB >>reality, there is probably random data there. Thus the highwaterI >>marking is working. I mean, if you were able to read the random data in F >>your newly created file, the high water marking wouldn't be working! >> > K > I am afraid I must still disagree, As I am using QIO to bypass RMS, and I M > have not written anything, so there is no filemark. I find it unlikely that J > after several runs in each case (at least 2 dozen each  with and withoutD > HFWM) with no inconsistencies to the outcome to suggest otherwise.  D The highwater mark has nothing to do with RMS - it is implemented by? the ACP (XQP).  There IS a highwater mark, even when using QIO.   ? I think maybe you are being misled by the fact that it mentions C differences between sequential and indexed files, and obviously QIO A (and the XQP) don't do anything different, since "sequential" and @ "indexed" are RMS constructs.  However, I think the algorithm is? the same, the difference is how the access patterns typical for A indexed and sequential files cause highwater marking to have more B or less overhead.  Also, I think there is a significant difference> between "shared" and "unshared" files, which the XQP does know about.  > However, my tests indicate performance problems independent of@ shared/unshared.  So I agree there may well be problems with it,  but disagree with your analysis.   > + >>>Also the System manager's manual states:  >>>  >>M >>(http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/6017/6017pro_077.html#index_x_4370)  >>C >>>"High-water marking creates some overhead; the system erases the  >>
 >>previous >>F >>>contents of the disk  blocks allocated every time a file is created >> >>or >>
 >>>extended."  >> >>D >>Uh, you quoted out of context. Here is the same quote, in context: >> >>[begin quote] G >>Disable file system high-water marking---This security feature is set H >>by default when a volume is initialized to guarantee that users cannot" >>read data they have not written. >>F >>For nonshared sequential files, the performance impact of high-water >>marking is  >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>I >>minimal. However, for files of nonsequential format, high-water markingrG >>creates some overhead; the system erases the previous contents of therA >>disk blocks allocated every time a file is created or extended.xI >>Disabling the feature improves system performance by a variable amount,n% >>depending on the following factors:r& >>How frequently new files are createdC >>For indexed and relative files, how frequently existing files arer
 >>extended >>How fragmented the volume is >>B >>Be sure to consider the security implications before you disable >>high-water marking.oA >>To disable high-water marking, you can specify the /NOHIGHWATEReG >>qualifier when initializing the volume, or you can disable high-wateraB >>marking with the DCL command SET VOLUME in the following format:/ >>SET VOLUME/NOHIGHWATER_MARKING device-name[:]e
 >>[end quote]i >> >>D >>Note that it says there is little impact for sequential files. TheG >>overhead is significant for files of NON-sequential format and shared  >>files. >> >> >>>From the security manual: >>' >>Prevention Through High-Water Markinga >>C >>High-water marking refers to a technique that tracks the furthestCH >>extent to which each file has been written and prohibits user attempts$ >>at reading data beyond that point. >>A >>The operating system implements true high-water marking for allYI >>sequential, exclusively accessed files, such as the set of files outputrH >>from various text editors, compilers, and linkers, that is, most filesE >>a process writes. The high-water mark is updated in the file header I >>whenever the logical end-of-file mark is updated (usually when the file 
 >>is closed).p >>F >>For shared files (both indexed and sequential), the operating systemH >>uses the principle of erase-on-allocate to achieve a result similar to@ >>true high-water marking. When a file is about to be created orH >>extended, the system determines how much disk space (the extent of theH >>file) is required and applies the security erasure pattern of zeros toH >>the areas (extents) it allocates for writing. The file is then writtenI >>into the area just erased for it. Thus, if any user gains access to theoG >>file (including its full extent) and attempts to read the area beyondeG >>where the file has been written, only the data security erase pattern  >>is readable. >> > M > I don't believe I took the quote out of context. I do not disagree that for M > sequential files, the remainder of the block where the file mark is writteneM > must also be zeroed. It is just that section that is done when the filemarkiJ > is written thus the line that the performance impact is minimal. That isJ > because the remaining blocks that have been allocated were zeroed at the% > file's initial creation, or extent.   F Highwater marking doesn't erase partial blocks.  When something writesF to a disk, it always must write in multiples of 512 bytes (i.e. entireG blocks.)  What sits in the remainder of the block after the EOF is what E was in the memory I/O buffer, not what was on the disk.  The contentsmC of the memory I/O buffer is determined by RMS, if you are using RMSvD (I think it zeros it), or by your program if you are using QIOs.  ItD isn't what was previously on the disk in those bytes unless you readD before write to pre-load the buffer with the old data, and highwaterC marking prevents you from doing this.  (You can try, but you'll seetD zeros in all the bytes, not the original contents, because highwater! marking will erase them for you.)   @ Highwater marking only erases whole blocks, between the previous8 highwater mark and the blocks you are currently writing.  ? If you are doing sequential writes, there are no blocks betweena? the previous highwater mark and the current write, so it erases ? nothing, and has no overhead.  It just moves the highwater markr> to the end of the current write after each (successful) write.  > (Here's where the difference between shared and unshared files? crops up.  I think (from the behaviour of some of my programs),r= but am not certain, that if the file allows shared access, it = erases inclusively, from the old highwater mark to the end of > the current write, before doing the current write, possibly to> prevent co-operating process from sneaking in and grabbing the8 unerased data before it has actually been over-written.)  I > Another very simple test you can do with a sequential file to show that L > blocks are zeroed on allocation is to time a file open operation where youM > preallocate a large number of blocks. You will find that when you have HFWMrM > enabled the open takes longer, where the time is proportional to the number5M > of disk blocks allocated. Then do the same test with HFWM disabled, and all:1 > the open file ops take the same amount of time.   F Are you attempting to read (or write) any of the file, or are you justH doing a "create file with initial allocation"?  Or, some languages (i.e.D BASIC) default to "ACCESS WRITE, ALLOW READ" on "OPEN FOR OUTPUT" orC equivalent, so trigger the "shared file" behaviour.  And I could behD wrong about when the erase happens for shared files; it might happen2 at allocte/extend time, rather than at write time.  C I've messed around some with my test program, and it still seems toeF be taking a long time to create files on a disk with highwater marking? enabled, virtually almost instantly on a disk with it disabled.n  G Here's a snippet of my code (DEC BASIC V1.5A, Alpha VMS V7.3-2 with allt6 patches except the recent C RTL and GRAPHICS patches):  H     open filnam$ for output as file 1%, organization sequential fixed, &?        filesize sz, access scratch, allow none, map test_bufferi  5     print "Testing "; filnam$; " at size "; num1$(sz)   A On a disk with highwater marking disabled, there is almost no lagiF between answering the program's questions about filename and file sizeD (which define the variables filnam$ and sz used by the open) and theB "Testing..." message, so the open is almost instant.  After "$ setE volume/highwater" on the disk, there is an appreciable delay (10's of0" seconds for a 200,000 block file).  ? I just added the "allow none" clause to the open, and it had noo8 effect on this.  (The default in BASIC is "allow read".)  N > Where HFWM was optimized in sequential files was when your first filemark isM > written, then zeroing would not have to occur again except on file extents., > M > In summary I do agree that HFWM works as you describe for sequential files,rK > to zero out data between the logical EOF and the physical EOF. It is alsofN > true that for all files (sequential and otherwise) that blocks are zeroed on > allocation/extent.  D HFWM doesn't deal with either logical or physical EOF, it only dealsB previous highwater mark and block number of the current operation.@ Since you can't read or write past the current physical EOF, the@ current I/O block number is always >= the physical EOF, so there@ is no problem here.  (This is checked before it ever gets to the< highwater marking code.)  Then it updates the highwater markD after any write.  (I'm not sure about reads.  It could erase between= the old highwater mark and the read block and then update theUA highwater mark when you read, or it could just lie and return you0C a buffer full of erase pattern (i.e. zeros) and leave the highwatert@ mark alone, and not incur any overhead.  There is also the issueD of files to which you have read but not write access.  Is it morallyA correct for the XQP to erase these files when you attempt to reade? them past the highwater mark, or should that process be left too* someone who has write access to the file?)   -------   = So, is there a bug here?  Maybe opening without preallocationQC (starting with a zero-length file) does the right thing (preventingo@ scavaging of the few blocks allocated with each extend), withoutC excessive performance penalty (because the sequential writes in the3@ program do all the erasing, and highwater marking has nothing toA do except monitor the situation), but you'll almost certainly end ? up with a very badly fragmented file, which causes a much worsea@ performance penalty, and fragmentation is an ongoing one, rather* than just the first time you use the file.  > Or maybe it is something peculiar about creating the file with< basic, and if I created it with "$ create/fdl", using an fdl< file that specified an initial allocation, and then used the8 existing, un-erased file in my program (which goes on to; sequentially write every block in the file and then read itd= back - for no reason, it's just a test program :-)), it wouldt> have the same performance whether highwater marking is enabled or not.y   --   John Santoso Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2005 18:32:37 -0700r$ From: "Birchy" <birchcone@yahoo.com> Subject: power quote of the day-C Message-ID: <1112837557.318969.322450@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>f  D "From 30 feet away she looked like a lot of class. From 10 feet awayB she looked like something made up to be seen from 30 feet away." - Raymond Chandler u  + http://www.fallingskyhazard.com/catalog.htmo   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:43:11 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)3 Subject: Re: problem with router---NAT and caching? $ Message-ID: <d31hkv$l1b$1@online.de>  E In article <d30r39$hml$3@newslocal.mitre.org>, klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG4 (Keith A. Lewis) writes: -   > helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes in article <d30aed$rdo$1@online.de> dated Wed, 6 Apr 2005 09:34:06 +0000 (UTC): I > >> In article <d2tnl1$iab$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.dea8 > >> (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  > > M > >> Before I restart TCPIP and DECwindows and possibly reboot, I would like 8! > >> to understand the following:2 > I > Back in the '90s I attempted to use DECwindows on some Alphas which hadeM > multiple tcp/ip interfaces to different networks.  I found I could only get'H > the DECwindows server to work on one interface at a time.  IIRC it wasH > always the lowest numbered one, EWA0.  I don't know if this limitationM > persists in the current DECwindows, or if it's related to your problem, butnH > for testing you might want to use Apache or the telnet service as your< > primary server-side tool.  (Ping is OK, but it's not tcp.)  I I just have one (real) interface.  Telnet and other incoming connections - to ports other than 6000 work.  I Next, I'll try telnetting to 6000, rather then via a DECwindows app, and eG also using SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG as opposed to the TCPIP> interface.sH Maybe it does some stuff behind the scenes (I've already discovered the I undocumented "/CONFIGURATION" qualifier).  I'll also try restarting both  ) DECwindows and TCPIP, and also rebooting.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:37:48 -0600o From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> ( Subject: Re: Script Kiddie tarpit wanted$ Message-ID: <425434ed$1_1@127.0.0.1>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:7 > Alan Frisbie <Usenet02_REMOVE@flying-disk.com> wrote:u > 9 >>I am thinking about a program that would accept typicale7 >>Unix/Linux commands and give responses that will look > >>like it worked, at least to a script kiddie.  An alternative> >>would be something completely alien to them, like VMS.   :-) >  > D > VMS is way to normal, try dumping them into something like ITS :^) >   8 Hook up a simh emulator running something interesting to5 the telnet port (VAX/VMS, PDP-11 Unix, etc.). You cans7 periodically kill the emulator, rewrite its drives fromo7 a backup, and restart. Let them hack it, then when they 6 come back an hour later, they will find all their work5 has mysteriously disappeared. It shouldn't be hard toI% hack it to log the session to a file.t   > < >>Of course, there is always the option of simply giving him; >>a regular non-priv VMS user account, with a login messagec< >>about using the HELP command and links to the online docs.; >>We might wind up with another VMS convert that way.   :-)6 >  > . > Not really the kind of VMS converts we need. >  > 	Zane- >   O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:16:43 -0600i From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>o( Subject: Re: Script Kiddie tarpit wanted$ Message-ID: <42543e0c$1_1@127.0.0.1>   Alan Frisbie wrote:l? > Since I like to have remote Internet access to my VMS system,h/ > I have my firewall forward SSH packets to it.a > : > However, every day or so, I am alerted by the beeping of@ > OPCOM messages that someone is making repeated login attempts.: > I am not worried about them getting in, but I find their > feeble attempts annoying.e > > > I am thinking of creating captive accounts that these script; > kiddies would be likely to try (root/<null>, guest/guest,A= > god/god, etc.).   The captive procedure should appear to ben= > some variant of Unix, appear to sort-of work, while wastingi: > as much of their time as possible.   Meanwhile it should> > log everything to a file for my later amusement.   (Yes, I'm
 > that sick!)c  9 I think that simh would be a useful tool here, especiallyb3 if you reloaded/restarted it after each connection.,4 You would have to make it easy to break into for the2 most fun. Even if they broke into the system, they5 haven't gotten anywhere useful, and it looks like alli the normal commands work.o  4 You can take a real OS (vms, netbsd, etc) and modify7 the enviornment in rather bizaar ways if you so desire.s  9 Invert the case of characters they type, as if their caps 
 key is on.  6 Randomly drop characters they type, or double them up,7 so that they have to be really careful while they type.   3 Throw in some line noise, like you would get with a  bad modem connection.8  4 Fake up some really odd hardware, with equally terse4 and technical buzz-word filled documentation stuffed5 in some easy to find spot: "Stoddard Beam Convergence 4 Control",  "Nuclear Digitizing Array", "Multiplexing3 Thermal Flux Stabilizer". See how much time you cane5 get them to waste while attempting to figure out whatn they have hacked into.   > < > I seem to recall that someone created such a DCL procedure< > years ago, but I can't seem to find it.   Can anyone point= > me to something that would give me a start on this project?  > ; > Along the same line, is there any way I can find out whatn: > username/password combinations these kiddies are trying?. > Accounting doesn't seem to provide anything. > 	 > Thanks,n > Alan  O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ NewsgroupsnK ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:24:37 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>s( Subject: Re: Script Kiddie tarpit wanted( Message-ID: <opsot53bzvzgicya@hyrrokkin>  D On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:16:43 -0600, Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> wrote:   > Alan Frisbie wrote:i@ >> Since I like to have remote Internet access to my VMS system,0 >> I have my firewall forward SSH packets to it.< >>  However, every day or so, I am alerted by the beeping ofA >> OPCOM messages that someone is making repeated login attempts. ; >> I am not worried about them getting in, but I find theirr >> feeble attempts annoying.@ >>  I am thinking of creating captive accounts that these script< >> kiddies would be likely to try (root/<null>, guest/guest,> >> god/god, etc.).   The captive procedure should appear to be> >> some variant of Unix, appear to sort-of work, while wasting; >> as much of their time as possible.   Meanwhile it should?? >> log everything to a file for my later amusement.   (Yes, I'me >> that sick!) >e; > I think that simh would be a useful tool here, especiallya5 > if you reloaded/restarted it after each connection.r6 > You would have to make it easy to break into for the4 > most fun. Even if they broke into the system, they7 > haven't gotten anywhere useful, and it looks like all  > the normal commands work.5 > 6 > You can take a real OS (vms, netbsd, etc) and modify9 > the enviornment in rather bizaar ways if you so desire.h >$; > Invert the case of characters they type, as if their capse > key is on. > 8 > Randomly drop characters they type, or double them up,9 > so that they have to be really careful while they type.5 >n5 > Throw in some line noise, like you would get with at > bad modem connection.e >U6 > Fake up some really odd hardware, with equally terse6 > and technical buzz-word filled documentation stuffed7 > in some easy to find spot: "Stoddard Beam Convergencej6 > Control",  "Nuclear Digitizing Array", "Multiplexing5 > Thermal Flux Stabilizer". See how much time you canr7 > get them to waste while attempting to figure out whate > they have hacked into.  C Very creative, are you sure you haven't been on the 'other'side :-)> >e> >>  I seem to recall that someone created such a DCL procedure= >> years ago, but I can't seem to find it.   Can anyone pointc> >> me to something that would give me a start on this project?= >>  Along the same line, is there any way I can find out what,; >> username/password combinations these kiddies are trying?o/ >> Accounting doesn't seem to provide anything.s >>  Thanks,  >> Alan, >dH > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet   > News==----C > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!    > 120,000+ Newsgroups I > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption  f > =----6   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:23:58 +0100a# From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com>t Subject: SCSI-3a> Message-ID: <1112811836.15755.0@nnrp-t71-03.news.uk.clara.net>  F Will my PWS433au support the use of a Compaq Wide-Ultra SCSI-3 drive,  Part Number: 313706-B21 ?0  E I notice the inteface plug is a different format (again!) so would a K= simple convertor do the trick or is it natively incompatible.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:17:50 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: SCSI-3E( Message-ID: <opsot5r0mvzgicya@hyrrokkin>  H On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:06:49 +0100, issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote:   > issinoho wrote:oJ >> Will my PWS433au support the use of a Compaq Wide-Ultra SCSI-3 drive,   >> Part Number: 313706-B21 ?J >>  I notice the inteface plug is a different format (again!) so would a  @ >> simple convertor do the trick or is it natively incompatible. > J > Looking a bit closer, it seems if I get an Active adaptor that applies  J > power and converts from the SCA 80 pin of the drive down to the 68 pin  # > of my SCSI ribbon I should be OK.  I've done it, works fine >b2 > These are relatively cheap - I will report back.	 $9 I paid    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2005 18:52:34 -0700 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>r Subject: Re: SCSI-3tC Message-ID: <1112838754.149015.152150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>6   issinoho wrote:  > issinoho wrote: B > > Will my PWS433au support the use of a Compaq Wide-Ultra SCSI-3 drive, > > Part Number: 313706-B21 ?P > >rF > > I notice the inteface plug is a different format (again!) so would ayA > > simple convertor do the trick or is it natively incompatible.  >p@ > Looking a bit closer, it seems if I get an Active adaptor that appliesiD > power and converts from the SCA 80 pin of the drive down to the 68 pin # > of my SCSI ribbon I should be OK.u >n2 > These are relatively cheap - I will report back.  G It should work fine. Just watch the clearance. The adapters add between F .25 and .375 of an inch to the length of the drive.  I've had a bit ofD a problem at times wedging everything in.  Sometimes you have to put/ the drives(s) in a different mounting position.1  G Be a bit picky on the adapter you get too.  I'd avoid the $2.95 ones oneD ebay.  Look for the ones in the $10-$15 range.  If you go to a localA store they may cost as much as $35 (if they have them).  At least D adapting to the 40Mbs SCSI in the PWS you don't really have to worryB too much about compatiblity with the SCSI 160 or 320 requirements.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:36:30 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>n Subject: Re: SCSI-3?( Message-ID: <opsoub64aazgicya@hyrrokkin>  8 On 6 Apr 2005 18:52:34 -0700, johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com  ! <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote:s   >  > issinoho wrote:l >> issinoho wrote:C >> > Will my PWS433au support the use of a Compaq Wide-Ultra SCSI-3l > drive, >> > Part Number: 313706-B21 ? >> >G >> > I notice the inteface plug is a different format (again!) so would0 > a:B >> > simple convertor do the trick or is it natively incompatible. >>A >> Looking a bit closer, it seems if I get an Active adaptor thatk	 > applies@E >> power and converts from the SCA 80 pin of the drive down to the 68. > pine$ >> of my SCSI ribbon I should be OK. >>3 >> These are relatively cheap - I will report back.c >YI > It should work fine. Just watch the clearance. The adapters add betweenaH > .25 and .375 of an inch to the length of the drive.  I've had a bit ofF > a problem at times wedging everything in.  Sometimes you have to put1 > the drives(s) in a different mounting position.d >iI > Be a bit picky on the adapter you get too.  I'd avoid the $2.95 ones on0F > ebay.  Look for the ones in the $10-$15 range.  If you go to a localC > store they may cost as much as $35 (if they have them).  At least@F > adapting to the 40Mbs SCSI in the PWS you don't really have to worryD > too much about compatiblity with the SCSI 160 or 320 requirements. >   J The adapters that I used were a small PCB about 1"by 4" and the had the 80F pin connector on on side which plugged into the drive and on the otherF side the 68 pin, molex power and device id jumpers which extends the   overall  length by at most 1/2"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:09:26 -0700r From: JBloggs@acme.comE Subject: Semi-OT:  "VHA, The Best Care Anywhere" (Washington Monthly) 8 Message-ID: <89d8519jhi6432j77gmj86ptdqsm8rpl7o@4ax.com>  < Semi-OT:  "VHA, The Best Care Anywhere" (Washington Monthly)  1 the VHA systems are apparently, highly regarded. i  @ http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0501.longman.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:04:18 +0200 1 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?=s Subject: Re: Site down?w6 Message-ID: <425424aa$0$1225$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>   issinoho a crit :! > Anyone know what's happened to y0 > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/ ? > K > I've been trying to get the latest version of MySQL for several days now.g  H My new ADSL modem has crashed and I was on another site for a few days, 6 I have rebooted (power off/on) it and this work again.  9 I have never thought that a ADSL modem can crash/hang :-(r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:12:28 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> Subject: Re: Site down?r, Message-ID: <3bj8mpF65slcdU1@individual.net>   Jean-Franois Pironne wrote:5   > issinoho a crit : > " >> Anyone know what's happened to 1 >> http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/ ?o >>L >> I've been trying to get the latest version of MySQL for several days now. >  > J > My new ADSL modem has crashed and I was on another site for a few days, 8 > I have rebooted (power off/on) it and this work again. > ; > I have never thought that a ADSL modem can crash/hang :-(W  @ My experience is that they crash (in a visble way) but they can E certainly hang - I've no idea whether that was the modem itself or a oG problem at the ISAP side.  Sometimes rebooting the modem (router in my  8 case) is enough; at other times a power off is required.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:14:05 +0200u& From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> Subject: Re: Site down?., Message-ID: <3bj8pqF65slcdU2@individual.net>   Paul Sture wrote:C   > Jean-Franois Pironne wrote:u >  >> issinoho a crit :  >># >>> Anyone know what's happened to m2 >>> http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/ ? >>>-I >>> I've been trying to get the latest version of MySQL for several days n >>> now. >> >> >>E >> My new ADSL modem has crashed and I was on another site for a few 4? >> days, I have rebooted (power off/on) it and this work again.d >>< >> I have never thought that a ADSL modem can crash/hang :-( >  > A > My experience is that they crash (in a visble way) but they can   6 Oops. That should the _don't crash (in a visible way)_  G > certainly hang - I've no idea whether that was the modem itself or a nI > problem at the ISAP side.  Sometimes rebooting the modem (router in my  : > case) is enough; at other times a power off is required.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:40:18 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Site down?s+ Message-ID: <42548F82.B9538A70@comcast.net>    Paul Sture wrote:e >  > Jean-Franois Pironne wrote:7 >  > > issinoho a crit : > > # > >> Anyone know what's happened toc3 > >> http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/ ?y > >>N > >> I've been trying to get the latest version of MySQL for several days now. > >t > > K > > My new ADSL modem has crashed and I was on another site for a few days,m: > > I have rebooted (power off/on) it and this work again. > >5= > > I have never thought that a ADSL modem can crash/hang :-(  > A > My experience is that they crash (in a visble way) but they can F > certainly hang - I've no idea whether that was the modem itself or aH > problem at the ISAP side.  Sometimes rebooting the modem (router in my: > case) is enough; at other times a power off is required.  H I've been having problem with my braodband router lately (Netgear FR314)D where it loses touch with its upstream link (gateway), and has to beF restarted. I've been using the web interface as I'll be moving it to aD "closet" once I start "finishing" this new basement and want to make6 sure that I won't have go to the router to restart it.   -- e David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/1  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/f   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:57:55 +0200i& From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>7 Subject: Re: SUBMIT/USER needs write access to SYSUAF ?t, Message-ID: <3bj7rhF6i5lf8U1@individual.net>   Peter Weaver wrote:t   > Bart Zorn wrote: >  >>...oH >>Does anybody have any idea what/why SUBMIT/USER would want to write to
 >>SYSUAF ? >>D >>It looks like it does not write anything, though, because there is >>nothing in the audit log.  >>...b >  >  > $ SET WATCH/CLASS=MAJOR FILE9 > tells me that SUBMIT/USER is not writing to the SYSUAF;c > E > %XQP, Thread #0, Access SYSUAF.DAT;1 (10065,168,0) Status: 00000001 F > %XQP, Thread #0, Deaccess (10065,168,0) Reads: 4, Writes: 0, Status:
 > 00000001 > ; > at least on a V7.1 VAX with both SUBMIT and SUBMIT/AFTER.a > B Well, I just did the following earlier today (but ran out of time # because I had something else to do)t  + $ submit x.com /user=myname /after=tomorrowy  ) Whoops - no CMKRNL privilege, not allowedm  . $ set proc/priv=cmkrnl ! and repeat the submit   and it submitted the job  H now at that point I couldn't run AUTHORIZE, because I didn't have write E privilege to SYSUAF, but it did submit the job under _myname_ (maybe eB write access to SYSUAF is required for other users - but I'm just  surmising here)   H At this point I'll say I'm working on someone else's system, so I don't : want to go using someone else's account to test further...   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2005 16:14:45 -0700p From: bob@instantwhip.com / Subject: Re: Synergex/DE Now on OpenVMS ItaniumkB Message-ID: <1112829285.064762.43460@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   Long live DIBOL! :)    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2005 13:31:03 -050004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)4 Subject: Re: There is certainly opportunity in chaos3 Message-ID: <7JsJVlEtzTtU@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  h In article <4I-dncIoP5MrWtHfRVn-qA@metrocastcablevision.com>, Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: > JF Mezei wrote:@G >> The problem with compensation policies is that the individual has an>< >> incentive to be fired as opposed to leaving on their own. > K > That's just *one* problem with them.  Another comparable one is the lack  I > of incentive to perform.  There is no earthly reason to pay even a CEO fF > of the largest company any more than a mid-range-6-figure salary or H > sign-on bonus:  everything beyond that (and for the largest companies K > it's entirely reasonable for there to be quite a lot beyond that) should  C > be *very* closely tied to performance, with well-defined metrics.  >  > - bill  H Here is a story that'll make you think that the hp Board is totally out G of sync with reality.  They just approved a $3 million dollar bonus foro2 Wayman for the seven weeks he was the interim CEO.  A http://news.com.com/HP+earmarks+3+million+bonus+for+interim+chiefe /2100-7341_3-5655772.htmla  E Wish I could get a job that pays $428,000 per week for chair warming.e  E Of course there is also the "interesting" news that Hurd sold a bunchpG of NCR shares for $2.3 million "just before" hp contacted him about the  hp job.  Um, yeah, sure.  7 http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/04/05> /financial/f175848D21.DTLd   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:22:01 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)e" Subject: Re: Time change questions2 Message-ID: <dNV4e.3133$W42.2747@news.cpqcorp.net>  , In article <d317er$6jn$1@news01.intel.com>, . Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> writes: >Charlie Hammond wrote:t  . >>     @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP TDF -240 60 >>  / >> This has the advantage of being supported.  eH >> UTD$CONFIGURE_TDF.COM is no longer maintained by OpenVMS engineering.  6 OPPS! that won't work.  Close but no cigar.  You need:  /      @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP "" TDF -240 60n  C P1 is the target device; the explicit null will cause it to default  to the current system disk.a  F >    Thanks Charlie, I'll check that out.  In our environment, I wouldK >leave off the 3rd [actually 4th] parameter since I _don't_ want the clock y
 >to changeH >(we take care of that "external" to this routine).  My main requirementG >is to avoid interactive prompting and to change the in-memory TDF cellu	 >value...i  ; You need to explicitly specify the final param as 0 (zero).n( Otherwise the procedure will prompt you.   -- rJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:34:01 -0500h2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>" Subject: Re: Time change questions+ Message-ID: <42548E09.47921AFF@comcast.net>w   Ken Fairfield wrote: >  > Charlie Hammond wrote:/ > > In article <d2utns$4a6$1@news01.intel.com>,t2 > > Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> writes: > >A > >7/ > >> @sys$manager:utc$configure_tdf SET -240 60t' > >>                                ^^^t > >>B > >>    I just wanted to note that, while Charlie Hammond has gone= > >>to great lengths to discourage use of this procedure,this ? > >>procedure still operates as expected if you comment-out thei( > >>"EXIT 2" following his warning text. > >e > >e/ > > This depends on your expectations!  <smile>e > >>; > >>    We still use this procedure for "business reasons".r > >n > >>  > > Have you investigated using: > >>/ > >     @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP TDF -240 60m > >o. > > This has the advantage of being supported.I > > UTD$CONFIGURE_TDF.COM is no longer maintained by OpenVMS engineering.g > G >     Thanks Charlie, I'll check that out.  In our environment, I wouldtF > leave off the 3rd parameter since I _don't_ want the clock to changeI > (we take care of that "external" to this routine).  My main requirement H > is to avoid interactive prompting and to change the in-memory TDF cell
 > value...  F The issue with TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM seems to be that nothing in it doesF anything to change the value of the EXE$GQ_TDF cell in the system dataD structures. Near as I can figure, the C Runtime gets its time offsetF from here instead of from the SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL LNM. (As otherD posters have noted: nothing like consistency, eh? Too many cooks...)  G So, maybe the best approach is the SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM asU! (I think) someone else suggested.:  H ...or, if you want to do the actual system clock change another way, useE Charlie's information and invoke UTC$TIME_SETUP with parameters as hetC shows in his errata post (P1 needs to be null, then "TDF", then the:E actual TDF (in minutes, not seconds - don't go there), then a zero sogD even if it does try to change the time the net effect is no change).   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:y" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/s   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:37:21 -0500d2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>N Subject: Re: Which release notes say sts$manager:utc$configure_tdf is obsolete+ Message-ID: <42548ED1.34BAF2D1@comcast.net>r   Brad Hamilton wrote: >  > tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: > > JF Mezei wrote: H > >>It seems to me that VMS was quite late in implementing automated andD > >>systematic tize zone and tiem change handling and it was done inF > >>hodgepodge way. DECNET-5 seemd to have soemthing in it that did itH > >>automatically. Now, NTP seems broken and can't do it and needs to be) > >>shutdown while somethng else does it.n > >dB > > Does NTP really need to be shutdown?  I don't plan to do that. > >l> > > I have now set up my systems with AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV set to 1 > >  > H > I'm into this discussion quite late, and I apologize if I'm going over > ground previously unearthed. > I > I use NTP, AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV set to 1 in MODPARAMS.DAT, and TCPware.  ThesA > following entries displayed on my console log this past Sunday:t > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   3-APR-2005 03:00:00.24  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user SYSTEM on RABBIT> > %TDF-I-TDFSET, Summer time or standard time changeover - new. > SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL=-14400/old=-18000. > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   3-APR-2005 03:00:49.99  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user SYSTEM on RABBITH > %TCPWARE_NTP-I-DSTCHANGE, Clock will be stepped forward 60 minutes due > to daylight savings  > J > Looks as though NTP, TCPware, and VMS did what I intended them to do.  I: > did not shut down NTP, and I see nothing "broken" here.   G It depends. If you need the time to change immediately, you may want tod" have NTP "step aside" temporarily.   > Of course, I'mJ > not using TCP/IP Services for VMS, so that may be the limiting factor in > this thread.  2 Behavior with Multinet seems to match UCX, AFAICT.   -- r David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:h" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/q  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/r   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.193 ************************