1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 12 Apr 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 204       Contents: Re: (history of) BACKUP/ALIAS  Re: changing hostname  Changing node IP address Re: Changing node IP addressM Re: Configuring multi-port NIC on DS10 with DECNET-Plus and TCPIP 5.3 5.3 5.3  Re: DCPS 2.3, %DCPS-F-STREAMUSE 5 Re: Frustration!  EB64+ too old to run OpenVMS 7.3-1? 5 Re: newbie needs help with copying file with only FID  Re: OpenVMS FAQ Errata Re: OpenVMS FAQ Errata  Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey OS Security Poll Re: Tape drive ejecting  Re: Tape drive ejecting  Re: Tape drive ejecting  TCP 5.5 on VMS 7.3-1" Re: UAF search for last login date" Re: UAF search for last login date" Re: UAF search for last login date" Re: UAF search for last login date Re: VMS 8.2 or 7.3-2 Re: VMS 8.2 or 7.3-2 Re: VMS 8.2 or 7.3-2+ Re: Windoze better than linux says analyst! ! World First Cancer Immune Booster   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2005 08:03:55 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>& Subject: Re: (history of) BACKUP/ALIASB Message-ID: <1113316483.686104.36540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  
 AEF wrote:1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  [...]   A > I think what probably happend here is the following: In certain B > versions of BACKUP (6.2 and 7.0), /ALIAS wasn't doing what you'dC > expect. According to the above, it would save aliased files under > > either the primary OR the alias name. So upon restore if you	 specified G > noalias you would lose the file altogether! I suspect that under such   D Uh, make that: if the file happened to be saved under its alias name? and you specified /NOALIAS during a restore, that file won't be 	 restored!    [...]    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2005 03:41:32 -0700 From: catsoup57@hotmail.com  Subject: Re: changing hostnameC Message-ID: <1113302492.781741.112440@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   	 Hi again,   B Well after much form filling and signature requesting, the big dayB arrived. The change controls were all signed off, and the downtime
 scheduled.   The procedure:  " 1. Close all application processes 2. login as system 3. run SYS$MANAGER:UCX$CONFIG * 4. from the core menu, I select interfaces@ 5. I re-enter the hostname as jcdevs01 - not its alias of coca01
 6. I quit out 0 7. show net still reveals the hostname as coca01 8. I repeat steps 3-5  9. I restart UCX1 10. show net still reveals the hostname as coca01  11. I stop UCX 12. I repeat steps 3-5 13. I start UCX 1 14. show net still reveals the hostname as coca01 + 15. I repeat steps 3-5, and reboot the node 1 16. show net still reveals the hostname as coca01   @ I tried this on the other affected node too, and it had the same result.     By this all this, my time is up.  B The reason for not running at the latest eco is because schedulingB downtime is near impossible, and the systems are performing a veryF simple static application, that is very undemanding, so over the yearsD we have come to adopt the 'if-it-aint-broken' policy. I read throughB the release notes every now and then, or when I get a problem, andG apply patches if it would solve a specific problem which may affect the F application. Other than that we leave well alone. I realise that thereD are other points of view on this policy, but lets not go into it all now!  E I acknowledge that this may be due to a problem that was solved by an G ECO, but all four nodes have the same patch level, and only two of them  have this problem.  F Going back to the main problem. Of the four nodes in the cluster, onlyB two of them are getting the hostname wrong, and using the alias. IE cannot see any difference between the DNS setup. Each nodes host info G is in the local database. The alias is the VMS nodename. Where the real 3 hostname is the one assigned by our network people.   
 Any ideas?   Chris.   David R. Beatty wrote:; > If you need to change only the hostname for UCX, the best  > way to do it is: >  > @SYS$MANAGER:UCX$CONFIG  > Select 1 (Core Environment)  > Select 4 (Interfaces)  >  > and just follow the prompts. > A >     At the very least, you'll need to stop and restart UCX when . > you are done, you might even need to reboot. > ? >     Any reason you are running a very old version of UCX?  At F > the very least, you might consider installing ECO 10, it's available > at:  >  > ` ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/layered_products/alpha/UCXECO_41_10-V1000.PCSI-DCX_AXPEXE. >  > David Beatty > = > On 22 Mar 2005 04:58:20 -0800, catsoup57@hotmail.com wrote:  > B > >A show net on each node of our 4 node cluster reports 2 of them showing < > >the DNS alias as the hostname. The other two are correct. > > F > >How do you change the hostname? (Its causing a problem with email). > > G > >My first thought was the hosts own entry in the local host database, B > >but each node in there is set up the same, and since two of the nodes ( > >are wrong this cannot be the problem. > > G > >I then started experimenting with UCX SET INTERFACE ... /HOST=.. but ; > >managed to eject all the users from our development box!  > >  > >Version numbers:  > >  > >$ ucx show ver  > > C > >  Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.1 - ECO 6 6 > >  on a AlphaServer 1000A 5/400 running OpenVMS V7.1 > > ! > >Any help would be appreciated.  > > 	 > >Chris.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:29:41 -0500 8 From: "Grealy, Patrick J" <Patrick.J.Grealy@uth.tmc.edu>! Subject: Changing node IP address Q Message-ID: <F567BEA12C734C4FA3DC39691BB73869011FB4D6@UTHEVS3.mail.uthouston.edu>    Hi, B In the near future we need to change our IP addresses, moving to aE different subnet, e.g. a.b.2.x to a.b.99.y . From all the info that I D have been able to find, it should be sufficient to shutdown AdvancedE Server and TCPIP, run tcpip$config, make the change in Core settings, G then restart TCPIP and AS. Things are usually not so simple however and 0 I am especially concerned about Advanced Server.  F Does anyone have any tips about expected gotchas or pitfalls to avoid?  D We have two DS10 clustered nodes and run OpenVMS 7.3-1, Decnet-Plus,F TCPIP 5.3 and Advanced Server. The main activities are Telnet sessionsD by programmers using Fortran on the alpha system and Advanced Server# shared directories mapped from PCs.    Thanks,  Pat G.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:12:14 +0000 (UTC) - From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) % Subject: Re: Changing node IP address . Message-ID: <d3gvhe$keu$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Grealy, Patrick J" <Patrick.J.Grealy@uth.tmc.edu> writes in article <F567BEA12C734C4FA3DC39691BB73869011FB4D6@UTHEVS3.mail.uthouston.edu> dated Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:29:41 -0500: G >Does anyone have any tips about expected gotchas or pitfalls to avoid?    To risk stating the obvious...  K Make sure you do this work at the physical console, because everything else . will be disconnected when you shut down TCPIP.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:30:06 +0200 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>V Subject: Re: Configuring multi-port NIC on DS10 with DECNET-Plus and TCPIP 5.3 5.3 5.33 Message-ID: <000d01c53f29$110338c0$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,  D Each NIC does have its own MAC. The two configured one will be shownE also with its IP address. It is possible to use one of the two NIC of F DS10 for TCP/IP and the other one for DECnet. AFAIK DECnet will changeE the MAC to an so called physical address, which contains the area and  subarea number.    Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:01:22 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>( Subject: Re: DCPS 2.3, %DCPS-F-STREAMUSE5 Message-ID: <120420051001393109%paul.anderson@hp.com>   C In article <1113231078.564778.188810@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,  <tiina.ayris@abagri.com> wrote:   F > Thanks, Paul, I've redefined DCPS$MAX_STREAMS to 1 and restarted all8 > dcps printers. And hey presto, they stop&start nicely.  A When DCPS V2.5 comes out with the recent fix, you could return to A having more than one print queue per symbiont process by defining ' DCPS$MAX_STREAMS to its previous value.    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 00:43:47 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com > Subject: Re: Frustration!  EB64+ too old to run OpenVMS 7.3-1?- Message-ID: <87mzs4lzcs.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / Jake Hamby <jhamby IS AT pobox DOT com> writes:   E > I have a new question: when my "new" Alpha workstation arrives from D > the eBay seller, will I be able to simply swap the hard drive intoF > it and boot, or do I have to reinstall the OS?  Does OpenVMS installF > different versions of any images for the EV5 vs. the EV45?  Will theF > completely different h/w configuration confuse it or will the kernel> > automatically detect the changes and load the correct device
 > drivers?  * You have an OS, not a puked over excuse...  1 Look in SYS$LDR and not all the SYS$CPU... files.   G Re-install? what that ;) Oh yes, I have done one, but not this century.      --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2005 10:33:01 -0700- From: "derek pietro" <djpietro@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: newbie needs help with copying file with only FIDB Message-ID: <1113327181.630595.87910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  F After a bit of work using Heins code chunk to get me started (Thanks !> a BIG help) I am able to open my file, and copy it  to another directory with a file name. F I am getting into trouble after FTP'ing the file to a pc or linux box.- (Actually the problem shows up for me in FTP) G The block sizes of both my source and dest file are both 512 byte fixed E length, but during transfer, my "new" file has 300+ some odd chars in  it. E It turns out that the EOF is getting placed into the "next" record as D opposed to somewhere in the middle of the final block  - as it is in the source file.D I presume I need to use block IO to ensure the EOF gets written intoF the block it actually appears in  but dont have a clue as to "how-to".G I dont know how it is, the eof is in the middle of a block - nor care - C its a fact of life and I have to copy the files and preserve actual  sizes.  A Can someone shed some light on how I might get EOF written in the C "proper" place?  My attempts at block IO on output cause faults ...  	outrab.rab$l_rop |= RAB$V_BIO;    Thanks!    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:09:53 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS FAQ Errata , Message-ID: <nOOdnfBB78g3VcbfRVn-hQ@igs.net>   Alex van Denzel wrote: > Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > C >>   There are probably a few other things I've forgotten, and I've C >>   received a text-formatting problem report earlier today -- I'm E >>   certain there are updates and corrections needed in this edition G >>   of the FAQ, and I expect there are some stale URLs.  If you find a F >>   problem within this edition of the FAQ -- and preferably with the? >>   answer or the correction -- please send it along.  Thanks!  > G > At least in item 14.17 (Where can I get software and hardware support E > information?) the links to http://www.adenzel.demon.nl/vaxes... are  > dead.  > H > I took them down a few years ago already and didn't put much effort in > new VAX pages yet. > D > But all the same, I'm honoured to be mentioned in the OpenVMS FAQ. > ' > Greetings, and keep up the good work.       * Consider 'donating' them to openvms.org???   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:01:53 GMT , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS FAQ Errata 2 Message-ID: <RhS6e.3578$xG1.1324@news.cpqcorp.net>  2 submitted.. it should go live in a couple of hours   -warren   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message< news:1113251438.ebb566ba3c58e5793852706696de03c2@teranews... > Hoff Hoffman wrote: 5 > >   The main, official OpenVMS FAQ web site URL is:  > > + > >     <http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq/>  >  > D > Since www.hp.com/go/vms works to get to the main page, perhaps you > shoudl ask that - > www.hp.com/go/vms/faq also be made to work.  > G > Remember that outside of HP, in the real world, "VMS" is still widely . > used and more recognised than the open word.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2005 10:22:10 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ) Subject: Operating System Security Survey 3 Message-ID: <WCV7eWew7S20@eisner.encompasserve.org>   I Sue pointed this out on her non-disclosure mailing list, but since I went G to the site and saw it with my own eyes, I feel free to point out that:   ! 	http://www.securitypipeline.com/    offers a survey:  ( 	Which operating system is more secure?    	Windows 	Linux 	Mainframes  	Macs  	VMS 	BSD7 	The skill of the administrator matters more than which  	platform you use.  G While administrator skill matters somewhat, you can't make a silk purse  out of a sow's ear.   , It would be a shame if Windows won the vote.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:24:21 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey ) Message-ID: <d3h085$snb$2@news.BelWue.DE>   c In article <WCV7eWew7S20@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: J >Sue pointed this out on her non-disclosure mailing list, but since I wentH >to the site and saw it with my own eyes, I feel free to point out that: > " >	http://www.securitypipeline.com/ >  >offers a survey:  > ) >	Which operating system is more secure?   [...] - >It would be a shame if Windows won the vote.    Ok, but where do I vote?   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:16:36 -0500 / From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>  Subject: OS Security Poll T Message-ID: <DA4AD590CAF06845B671C398333A89C6094ABA01@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  6 Vote your opinion at: http://www.securitypipeline.com/# <http://www.securitypipeline.com/>     EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:54:54 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)  Subject: Re: Tape drive ejecting) Message-ID: <d3ggeu$ate$1@news.BelWue.DE>   k In article <1113249313.922976.297850@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> writes: C >I mistakenly put a DDS-4 (150M/20Gb) tape in my TLZ07 and after it H >whirred and spun for a minute VMS reported an IO error. Problem is thatG >since then anytime I put a standard DDS-2 tape in it immediately spits 7 >it back out. I've tried powering down but to no avail.  > G >Could the longer tape somehow have damaged the drive? The device looks  >fine under VMS as follows,   N Did you get out the DDS-4 intact? Or are there still some pieces of it inside?, DDS-4 tapes are very thin compared to DDS-2.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann  --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2005 07:51:41 -0700% From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com>   Subject: Re: Tape drive ejectingB Message-ID: <1113317501.648806.98160@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  C I hadn't actually considered that some tape may have got inside the G machine, it certainly seemed to eject cleanly enough. I'll have another  look.   4 How would one clear out the innards of such a drive?   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:18:56 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)  Subject: Re: Tape drive ejecting) Message-ID: <d3gvu0$snb$1@news.BelWue.DE>   j In article <1113317501.648806.98160@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> writes:D >I hadn't actually considered that some tape may have got inside theH >machine, it certainly seemed to eject cleanly enough. I'll have another >look. > 5 >How would one clear out the innards of such a drive?   F Open the drive and have a look. Or have a close look inside. Sometimes compressed air will help.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:11:50 GMT 0 From: spud_demon@e.thundermaker.net (Spud Demon) Subject: TCP 5.5 on VMS 7.3-1 1 Message-ID: <WwK6e.1297$Fe5.4428@news.uswest.net>    TCP 5.5 on VMS 7.3-1  I According to the SPD this is an unsupported configuration.  Well, I don't 1 need support... I just want to know if it runs.     K For now I am stuck at 7.3-x because I need audio (MMOV), but I would really K like to have secure IMAP.  I'm running TCPIP V5.3 at the moment.  5.4 is my 
 other option.   . --Spud Demon		spud_demon -at- thundermaker.netF Somebody please quote me because Google doesn't get posts from my ISP.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2005 00:07:39 -0700% From: "Tony" <tonymcg27@yahoo.com.au> + Subject: Re: UAF search for last login date C Message-ID: <1113289659.135753.292060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    flamingomn@hotmail.com wrote:  > hi.  > . > i'm trying not to 'reinvent the wheel' here.F > i'm trying to find a DCL .cOM that will read the sysuaf.lis and pullF > out users that haven't logged in in xdays.  the xdays should be a P1 > parameter. > # > i've got an ALPHA with OVMS7.3-2. D > i've copied the SCANUAF from decus and was wondering if that would work > in my enivironment?  > 	 > thanks.  > ann    Hi Ann,  Jump over to Hunter's site+ http://vms.process.com/fileserv_search.html D and search for the UAF.ZIP package by Joe Meadows. Compiled in 1994,> mine was linked in 2001, and still works a treat on VMS 7.3-2. For example, try... < $ MCR SYS$DISK:[]UAF /SELECT=INTERACTIVE=(17-NOV-1858,"-5-") /DISPLAY=(USERNAME,INTERACTIVE) G ...to select all users who have logged in interactively prior to 5 days < ago, displaying their username and when they last logged in. Hope that helps,   Tony ---  Tony McGrath9 OpenVMS System Administrator, Corporate IT, Toll Holdings " Doveton, Victoria, Australia, 3177# tony_mcgrath at toll dot com dot au    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2005 02:11:13 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) + Subject: Re: UAF search for last login date = Message-ID: <a98cd882.0504120111.2a164235@posting.google.com>   ] "r.m" <nospam@rmendoza.copper.net> wrote in message news:<425b346d$1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net>...  > flamingomn@hotmail.com wrote:  >  > > hi.  > > 0 > > i'm trying not to 'reinvent the wheel' here.H > > i'm trying to find a DCL .cOM that will read the sysuaf.lis and pullH > > out users that haven't logged in in xdays.  the xdays should be a P1 > > parameter. > > % > > i've got an ALPHA with OVMS7.3-2. K > > i've copied the SCANUAF from decus and was wondering if that would work  > > in my enivironment?  > K > Is scanuaf written in BASIC?  If so then it is probably the same program  J > I have been using since about 6.something maybe 7.something, and I last H > used it on a 7.3-1 system a little over a year ago.  Haven't tried it K > since we upgraded to 7.3-2 but I don't see why it wouldn't work.  Not at  0 > work at the moment so can't take a look at it. >  > Rene.   < I have used SCANUAF, available from Hunter Goatley's site at www.process.com.F It is written in Fortran and it runs without problems on V7.3-2. I didD make some changes to it because I didn't like the functionality that) it searches SYSUAF files on remote nodes.    HTH   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:57:33 GMT 7 From: John Malmberg <malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp> + Subject: Re: UAF search for last login date 2 Message-ID: <1BP6e.3543$Sw1.2721@news.cpqcorp.net>   Tony wrote:  > flamingomn@hotmail.com wrote:  >  >>hi.  >>. >>i'm trying not to 'reinvent the wheel' here.F >>i'm trying to find a DCL .cOM that will read the sysuaf.lis and pullF >>out users that haven't logged in in xdays.  the xdays should be a P1 >>parameter. > 	 > Hi Ann,  > Jump over to Hunter's site- > http://vms.process.com/fileserv_search.html F > and search for the UAF.ZIP package by Joe Meadows. Compiled in 1994,@ > mine was linked in 2001, and still works a treat on VMS 7.3-2. > For example, try... > > $ MCR SYS$DISK:[]UAF /SELECT=INTERACTIVE=(17-NOV-1858,"-5-")! > /DISPLAY=(USERNAME,INTERACTIVE) I > ...to select all users who have logged in interactively prior to 5 days > > ago, displaying their username and when they last logged in.  H If you are using it to identify dormant accounts, be aware that DECterm ; sessions started by remote window managers show up only as   non-interactive sessions.   H And it is the RSH/REXEC or DECnet object invocation that is logged, not  the DecTerm session.  . A logged in session can also last a long time.   -John " malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.h-p Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:31:19 GMT ( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com>+ Subject: Re: UAF search for last login date 2 Message-ID: <H4Q6e.3548$Ry1.2874@news.cpqcorp.net>  ) <flamingomn@hotmail.com> wrote in message = news:1113255464.329595.280480@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...  > hi.  > . > i'm trying not to 'reinvent the wheel' here.F > i'm trying to find a DCL .cOM that will read the sysuaf.lis and pullF > out users that haven't logged in in xdays.  the xdays should be a P1
 parameter.  + Why read the listing... just read the file?  Here is one I made a while ago.   
 $if p1.eqs.""  $then H $ write sys$output "Please provide last-login (interactive) cutoff date" $ exit $else  $ cut_date = f$cvtime(p1)  $ 6 $!libr/extr=$uafdef/out=uafdef.tmp sys$library:lib.mlb" $!EQU    UAF$S_LASTLOGIN_I       8$ $!EQU    UAF$Q_LASTLOGIN_I       396 $!EQU    UAF$L_FLAGS     468 $!EQU    UAF$V_DISACNT   4 $ K $open /read /share uaf 'f$parse("SYSUAF","SYS$SYSTEM:.DAT",,,"SYNTAX_ONLY")  $loop: $ read/end=done uaf rec  $ username=f$extr(4,12,rec)  $ bin_date=f$extr(396,8,rec) $ flags   =f$extr(468,4,rec) $ disuser = - f$cvsi(4,1,flags) 0 $ if f$cvsi(0,32,bin_date) .eq. 0 then goto loop= $ asc_date=f$fao("!%D",f$cvui(32,32,f$fao("!AD",8,bin_date)))  $ cmp_date=f$cvtime(asc_date) ! $ if cmp_date.les.cut_date then - :     write sys$output username, " ", disuser, " ", asc_date
 $goto loop $done:
 $close uaf    K Alternatively there are several tools to do SYSUAF reports, the better ones  based on GETUAI K I have submitted a fairly generic version which can generate a CSV file for C processing in excel and such to the freeware (V6, RMS_TOOLS, bonus)    Cheers,  Hein.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:54:47 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> Subject: Re: VMS 8.2 or 7.3-2 2 Message-ID: <HqQ6e.3551$9A1.2647@news.cpqcorp.net>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:   > K > I didn't expect problems either. They are nonprivileged software as ever.  > G > But AFAIK, the official word is, you need BASIC V1.6 for OpenVMS V8.2 M > (which is out for I64, but not yet for Alpha) and you need DECset V12.6 for L > OpenVMS V8.2 (which is out for I64, but won't come for Alpha, only V12.7).M > Check the OpenVMS rolling roadmaps and the OpenVMS Software Rollout Report.  > H > If this is wrong information, please let them have it clarified/fixed.  D Depends on whose official word you want.  I just spoke to the BASIC F project leader.  The prior version of BASIC works and is supported on F V8.2.  I'm sure that would be the same for DECset.  Can you give me a I URL for where you saw this info?  I just checked the current roadmaps (I  F couldn't find anything called a "rollout report") and all it shows is I timelines when various versions are scheduled.  I didn't see any implied  # connection to required OS versions.    >  > D >>Can you share some of the problems you've seen so we can fix them? >  > H > I don't know of problems. Maybe there are only new V8.2 features/codesH > missing in the definitions/includes. btw. What was the reason for V5.9? > of PASCAL for OpenVMS V8.2 (which is out for I64 and Alpha) ?   G The BASIC kit builds the STARLET.BAS file onsite so you always get the   correct definitions.  H For Pascal, you don't need V5.9 to run on OpenVMS V8.2.  Heck, the V5.0 I compiler from 1995 still works on V8.2.  You want at least the V5.8A kit  F to install on V8.2 due to a change to the way I build the STARLET.PAS G file.  However, if you have Pascal already on your system, the upgrade  3 to V8.2 won't break it.  You don't have to upgrade.   G V5.9 was just the next number to use for the Pascal on I64.  On Alpha,  G V5.9 contains a newer version of GEM and additional support for 64-bit  G pointers.  However, nothing is tied to any OpenVMS version (the Pascal  D kit will put a newer Pascal RTL if installed on an older version of 	 OpenVMS).      --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:02:53 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> Subject: Re: VMS 8.2 or 7.3-2 2 Message-ID: <hyQ6e.3553$7A1.1080@news.cpqcorp.net>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:  M > Check the OpenVMS rolling roadmaps and the OpenVMS Software Rollout Report.  >  >   H OK, I found that Alpha rollout report.  I see that it lists BASIC V1.5A I as being supported on 6.2 through 7.3-2.  I would have thought that we'd  F go through and at least bump the max to 8.2.  I can see where you can 
 get confused.   I It lists Pascal V5.9 as the current version with support for 6.1 through  G 8.2.  However, this shows a problem (in my opinion) with these reports  I in that the older versions drop from the report.  The difference is with  F what is officially supported from what we know works.  As I said in a H prior post, V5.0 still works on OpenVMS V8,2, but did I run a full test F system with that combination?  No I did not.  Pascal V5.8/V5.8A works H just fine on V8.2 and is still supported (at least for 6 mos after V5.9  ships).      --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2005 19:22:58 +01006 From: eplan@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: VMS 8.2 or 7.3-2 , Message-ID: <425c2012$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>  [ In article <HqQ6e.3551$9A1.2647@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes: ! >Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: L >> I didn't expect problems either. They are nonprivileged software as ever. >>  H >> But AFAIK, the official word is, you need BASIC V1.6 for OpenVMS V8.2N >> (which is out for I64, but not yet for Alpha) and you need DECset V12.6 forM >> OpenVMS V8.2 (which is out for I64, but won't come for Alpha, only V12.7). N >> Check the OpenVMS rolling roadmaps and the OpenVMS Software Rollout Report. >>  I >> If this is wrong information, please let them have it clarified/fixed.  > E >Depends on whose official word you want.  I just spoke to the BASIC  G >project leader.  The prior version of BASIC works and is supported on  G >V8.2.  I'm sure that would be the same for DECset.  Can you give me a  J >URL for where you saw this info?  I just checked the current roadmaps (I G >couldn't find anything called a "rollout report") and all it shows is  J >timelines when various versions are scheduled.  I didn't see any implied $ >connection to required OS versions.  J Referred via the ConDist Site http://www1.sqp.com & http://www1.aclabs.comH and from the OpenVMS homepage, OpenVMS software, just below the roadmaps  3 	http://www.compaq.com/openvms/os/swroll/VAROL.HTML   - 	states BASIC V1.5A valid for V6.2 til V7.3-2 . 	states DECset V12.5 valid for V7.3 til V7.3-2  D What word is the most official one ? Service ? Support ? Marketing ?D I personally can live unsupported, but if we have a critical problem? it might be too late to discuss the supported/unsupported issue @ with service then (I don't however expect critical problems withA development tools, so exactly this discussion here might be moot)   B Therefor, I find it very good that someone with proper backgrounds joins the discussion ;-)    E >>>Can you share some of the problems you've seen so we can fix them?  >>  I >> I don't know of problems. Maybe there are only new V8.2 features/codes I >> missing in the definitions/includes. btw. What was the reason for V5.9 @ >> of PASCAL for OpenVMS V8.2 (which is out for I64 and Alpha) ? > H >The BASIC kit builds the STARLET.BAS file onsite so you always get the  >correct definitions.  > I >For Pascal, you don't need V5.9 to run on OpenVMS V8.2.  Heck, the V5.0  J >compiler from 1995 still works on V8.2.  You want at least the V5.8A kit G >to install on V8.2 due to a change to the way I build the STARLET.PAS  H >file.  However, if you have Pascal already on your system, the upgrade 4 >to V8.2 won't break it.  You don't have to upgrade.  I So, the restriction is V5.8A for new PASCAL installations on OpenVMS V8.2 J As PASCAL is in the SWROLL now only mentioned with V5.9, I could (and did)I only assume V5.9 is required for OpenVMS V8.2, because the latest mention E of V5.8A didn't tell of support for OpenVMS V8.2. Intentionally or by ! accident, I can't tell of course.   E It would be good, if there were a support matrix the other way round, I means which versions (note the plural) of a product are supported/working  on a specific OpenVMS version.   But 0 	http://www.compaq.com/openvms/os/swroll/82.HTML  L seems to be only an extract of the total software rollout report list above.L And this is IMHO not really needed, if one can read the other whole list :-)  H >V5.9 was just the next number to use for the Pascal on I64.  On Alpha, H >V5.9 contains a newer version of GEM and additional support for 64-bit H >pointers.  However, nothing is tied to any OpenVMS version (the Pascal E >kit will put a newer Pascal RTL if installed on an older version of  
 >OpenVMS).  6 Thanks for the info (but I didn't expect otherwise ;-)   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:27:47 GMT 0 From: spud_demon@e.thundermaker.net (Spud Demon)4 Subject: Re: Windoze better than linux says analyst!1 Message-ID: <TLK6e.1298$Fe5.4662@news.uswest.net>    bob@instantwhip.com writes in article <1113261111.223374.109870@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> dated 11 Apr 2005 16:11:51 -0700:  >and since windoze is garbage   H Microsoft is a $270B corporation.  It is entirely possible that some dayJ they will build a Windows OS which is technically superior to Linux and/or	 OpenVMS.    K That doesn't change the fact that in order to get it, you have to deal with I a monopolistic company that breaks everything they don't own any way they  can.    * >http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22460  G That article is about the Linux advocates' reaction to the study and is  devoid of technical content.  . --Spud Demon		spud_demon -at- thundermaker.net   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Apr 2005 05:49:14 GMT From: "Health" <test@test.com>* Subject: World First Cancer Immune Booster< Message-ID: <425b6159$0$10822$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>  ; Most people with Cancer or AIDS have no immune system left.N  B We've developed a world first "natural immune booster" which helps people fight their disease.o  > Our totally natural product comes from the fresh Arctic Ocean.   www.protecura.como   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.204 ************************