1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 13 Apr 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 206       Contents: Re: (history of) BACKUP/ALIAS  Re: (history of) BACKUP/ALIAS  Re: (history of) BACKUP/ALIAS  Re: Changing node IP addressM Re: Configuring multi-port NIC on DS10 with DECNET-Plus and TCPIP 5.3 5.3 5.3 1 How to create linked lists inside global sections 5 Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections 5 Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections 5 Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections 5 Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections 5 Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections 5 Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections 5 Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections 5 Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections  Re: OpenVMS FAQ Errata$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey Re: OS Security Poll Re: OS Security Poll RE: OS Security Poll Re: OS Security Poll6 Re: ridiculous GBLPAGES Autogen values under VMS 7.2-26 Re: ridiculous GBLPAGES Autogen values under VMS 7.2-2P Re: Silly Question:  Any easy workarounds of the limitation of <1Gb Boot disks oP Re: Silly Question:  Any easy workarounds of the limitation of <1Gb Boot disks o Re: Tape drive ejecting 8 Re: Trivia challenge (Was: Multiprocessor Microvax II ?)+ Re: Unix - VMS compatible encryption method  VMS to Max OS X file sharing  Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharing  Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharing? Re: [OpenVMS,PCSI] How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMMPRESSED ? ? Re: [OpenVMS,PCSI] How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMMPRESSED ? ? Re: [OpenVMS,PCSI] How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMMPRESSED ? ? Re: [OpenVMS,PCSI] How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMMPRESSED ? > [PCSI] PACKAGE vs COPY, was How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COM  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:33:27 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>& Subject: Re: (history of) BACKUP/ALIASB Message-ID: <1113410005.04e98fc710e7233264485d2c06d2a9a2@teranews>  
 AEF wrote:F > Uh, make that: if the file happened to be saved under its alias nameA > and you specified /NOALIAS during a restore, that file won't be  > restored!     D If you backup /ALIAS, wouldn't the alias file also have the contents> stored in it ? Would a  "restore/NOLIAS" ignore the contents ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:49:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: (history of) BACKUP/ALIASB Message-ID: <1113410940.817effa95859f4b86c2dee273969a4f2@teranews>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: B > OK.  But the combination of /[NO]ALIAS with /IMAGE should not be! > allowed.  An IMAGE is an IMAGE.     G I agree 300% with this. Making the /ALIAS qualified illegal when /IMAGE 8 is supplied would remove a lot of confusion. HOWEVER....     Here a question:  E lets say I have dka200:[recipes]chocolate.dat with file id (10,20,30)   E and I have dka200:[deserts]chocolate_alias.dat pointing to (10,20,30)    If I  BACKUP/IMAGE/ALIAS  _ is it correct to assume that I can then restore with BACKUP/SELECT=[deserts]chocolate_alias.dat   G and then the file will be created on any other drive with a new file ID  and it contents ?   E So in that sense, there is a point in /IMAGE/ALIAS since it gives one D the opportunity to restore single files to different "empty" drives,E whereas a BACKUP/NOALIAS generates a saveset which can only really be A used to restore the whole drive. (although in practice, you could 6 restore any individual file by doing enough research).  F What would be nice to have is some sort of tool where from the saveset6 created with /NOALIAS I could find out that to restore> CHOCOLATE_ALIAS.DAT I would also need to restore CHOCOLATE.DAT   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 10:07:52 -0700' From: "DL Phillips" <whohe@whoever.com> & Subject: Re: (history of) BACKUP/ALIASC Message-ID: <1113412071.981090.287330@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: E > In article <1113188775.488826.170280@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,  >[...]F > I think a) this is really confusing and b) not explained in the HELP why F > in the world /IMAGE should take this qualifier at all; after all, if one ; > makes an /IMAGE backup, then one wants an identical copy.   G I suspect this goes back to when the ALIAS concept was first introduced E in VMS. The BACKUP program wasn't made ALIAS aware so it treated them E like any other file. Then, someone noticed this behavior. Ooops. Now, G since that's the way it's been working, that's the way it must continue B to work so the /ALIAS /NOALIAS switch was born. If BACKUP had beenA changed to work correctly with ALIAS's when it should have, there D wouldn't be a need for the /ALIAS switch because /NOALIAS models howD the disk IMAGE looks and backing up a file specifying just its alias? should be either an error or warning. Maybe, If BACKUP had been E correctly changed, the /ALIAS /NOALIAS switches could be used to tell G backup to either include or exclude the aliases themselves on non-image  backups.  > Or, in Doobie words, "What were once vices are now habits.";-)    -Doug   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:40:12 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>% Subject: Re: Changing node IP address B Message-ID: <1113410434.07170507e36e4e8c4022df6e0281459f@teranews>   "Grealy, Patrick J" wrote:F > have been able to find, it should be sufficient to shutdown AdvancedG > Server and TCPIP, run tcpip$config, make the change in Core settings, I > then restart TCPIP and AS. Things are usually not so simple however and 2 > I am especially concerned about Advanced Server.  E You should do a $NETSTAT to get an idea of all applications which are A running and listening to a port and then check each application's  configuration file.   @ For instance, a web server may have a specific IP address in its1 configuration file that it is told to listen to.    B your will also want to do a $TCPIP SHOW HOSTS/LOCAL and update anyD entries in that that may change as a result of your network changes.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Apr 2005 23:55:46 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) V Subject: Re: Configuring multi-port NIC on DS10 with DECNET-Plus and TCPIP 5.3 5.3 5.3= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0504122255.551c0044@posting.google.com>   c "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message news:<000d01c53f29$110338c0$994614ac@wat153>...  > Hello, > F > Each NIC does have its own MAC. The two configured one will be shownG > also with its IP address. It is possible to use one of the two NIC of H > DS10 for TCP/IP and the other one for DECnet. AFAIK DECnet will changeG > the MAC to an so called physical address, which contains the area and  > subarea number.  >  > Best regards R. Wingert   B When you run @ SYS$MANAGER:NET$CONFIGURE ADVANCED, you are able toE configure each NIC. If you do not want DECnet-Plus to use it, specify C NONE as csma-cd station name. If you do want DECnet-Plus to use it, D you can specify whether you want a DECnet Phase IV style MAC address or not.   @ You can configure the other NIC with @ SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG.   HTH   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 05:19:09 -0700& From: "C. Bell" <bellch@csc-scc.gc.ca>: Subject: How to create linked lists inside global sectionsC Message-ID: <1113394749.815722.142920@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   D I am trying to create a linked list that is available to 2 processesG running in the same cluster. One way is to use a global section, but if G I do this I than have to write memory management routines to handle the  global section memory in "C".   . Does anybody have a better way of doing this ?   Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:32:55 +0100  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> > Subject: Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections4 Message-ID: <d3j3ho$4o6$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   C. Bell wrote:  F > I am trying to create a linked list that is available to 2 processesI > running in the same cluster. One way is to use a global section, but if I > I do this I than have to write memory management routines to handle the  > global section memory in "C".  > 0 > Does anybody have a better way of doing this ?  . Write the memory management routines in PL/I ?                                             P.s. sorry, couldn't resist ;-)    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 08:15:58 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) > Subject: Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections3 Message-ID: <IIFMsLUfv74y@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <d3j3ho$4o6$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes: > C. Bell wrote: > G >> I am trying to create a linked list that is available to 2 processes J >> running in the same cluster. One way is to use a global section, but ifJ >> I do this I than have to write memory management routines to handle the  >> global section memory in "C". >>  1 >> Does anybody have a better way of doing this ?  > 0 > Write the memory management routines in PL/I ?   Or any language but C.  G But regardless of language, given the lack of certain other constraints A the list needs to use the interlocked queue instructions. In most > languages that means using LIB$INSQxI and LIB$REMQxI routines.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:52:50 +0000 (UTC) - From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) > Subject: Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections. Message-ID: <d3j87h$qt5$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes in article <IIFMsLUfv74y@eisner.encompasserve.org> dated 13 Apr 2005 08:15:58 -0500: W >In article <d3j3ho$4o6$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:  >> C. Bell wrote:  >>  H >>> I am trying to create a linked list that is available to 2 processesK >>> running in the same cluster. One way is to use a global section, but if K >>> I do this I than have to write memory management routines to handle the ! >>> global section memory in "C".  >>> 2 >>> Does anybody have a better way of doing this ? >>  1 >> Write the memory management routines in PL/I ?   E That's what we did.  The PL/I "AREA" structure provides a nice memory  management package.     F If the nodes are all the same size, writing your own memory managementG package in C is trivial.  All you need is a freelist and, optionally, a E highwatermark.  For variable allocation sizes it's more complicated.   Someone has probably done it...   H >But regardless of language, given the lack of certain other constraintsB >the list needs to use the interlocked queue instructions. In most? >languages that means using LIB$INSQxI and LIB$REMQxI routines.     SYS$ENQ would be another option.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 09:33:27 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org> Subject: Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections3 Message-ID: <Gf3Ry8CDnxTe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <IIFMsLUfv74y@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: X > In article <d3j3ho$4o6$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes: >> C. Bell wrote:  >>  H >>> I am trying to create a linked list that is available to 2 processesK >>> running in the same cluster. One way is to use a global section, but if K >>> I do this I than have to write memory management routines to handle the ! >>> global section memory in "C".  >>> 2 >>> Does anybody have a better way of doing this ? >>  1 >> Write the memory management routines in PL/I ?  >  > Or any language but C. > I > But regardless of language, given the lack of certain other constraints C > the list needs to use the interlocked queue instructions. In most @ > languages that means using LIB$INSQxI and LIB$REMQxI routines.  D I thought we were operating on separate nodes in a cluster.  In thisF case, LIB$INSQxI and LIB$REMQxI are going to be inadequate to preserve global section consistency.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:36:25 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> > Subject: Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections0 Message-ID: <115qeh9c5mnsk18@corp.supernews.com>   C. Bell wrote:F > I am trying to create a linked list that is available to 2 processesI > running in the same cluster. One way is to use a global section, but if I > I do this I than have to write memory management routines to handle the  > global section memory in "C".  > 0 > Does anybody have a better way of doing this ? >  > Thanks >   # You don't provide much information.   I Is there a need for memory resident storage?  If not, using disk storage  $ and the DLM would be rather trivial.  E Another mentioned that PL/I has the capability for setting up global  , sections, which would still require the DLM.  D If you posted the requirements, someone might point out alternative $ methods to the proposed linked list.   Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:18:05 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) > Subject: Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections1 Message-ID: <1Db7e.3711$FN2.201@news.cpqcorp.net>   l In article <1113394749.815722.142920@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "C. Bell" <bellch@csc-scc.gc.ca> writes:E :I am trying to create a linked list that is available to 2 processes H :running in the same cluster. One way is to use a global section, but ifH :I do this I than have to write memory management routines to handle the :global section memory in "C".  G   Global sections and commons are not shared across nodes in a cluster, D   so you'll have all the "fun" of handling backing storage yourself.  H   Global sections and installed shared commons are intended for use for F   intra-node and intra-Galaxy access only -- access across nodes meansI   you have to handle data synchronization yourself.  While it is possible H   to share the backing storage files across nodes, the paging I/O is notG   coordinated across nodes -- what gets read and written to the backing E   storage does not account for any access and any I/O and any section F   updates that might occur on other nodes sharing the backing storage.5   The last write to the section wins, in other words.     / :Does anybody have a better way of doing this ?   5   Use a shared file, and enable global buffers on it.   A   By the time you have implemented all of the synchronization and F   coordination and caching, well, you've implemented shared RMS files    with global buffers.  F   RMS does what you want here, and -- with various tweaks I discussed <   over in the Blog just yesterday -- can perform quite well.  E   Another fully distributed option within a cluster is the lock value C   block -- a quadword on most releases, and an octaword on current  /   releases -- and the distributed lock manager.    	--   H   Ask The Wizard topics of general interest for shated memory operationsF   include (1661), (6984) (7383), (2681) and (2486) -- and other topics   referenced within these.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 11:56:41 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) > Subject: Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections3 Message-ID: <V0x1sHYx9t8g@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <1113394749.815722.142920@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "C. Bell" <bellch@csc-scc.gc.ca> writes:F > I am trying to create a linked list that is available to 2 processesI > running in the same cluster. One way is to use a global section, but if I > I do this I than have to write memory management routines to handle the  > global section memory in "C".  > 0 > Does anybody have a better way of doing this ?  H    They key to sharing linked lists, or any kind of pointer, between twoB    processes is to make all the addressing relative.  That way theB    addresses stord in the shared data has the same meaning to bothC    processes.  Using the address of the list header or the starting E    address of the global section as the base address works just fine.   C    If the data is in small pieces, you could look at sharing it via B    lock value blocks instead of a global section.  This would meanG    keeping copies and using lock related AST's (such as doorbell locks)     to coordinate changes.   E    You may need to use a lock anyhow to coordinate access, but if you D    use a cluster wide global section you won't have to do the actual    keeping of two copies.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 12:00:53 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) > Subject: Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections3 Message-ID: <57Aoc8763PfA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <Gf3Ry8CDnxTe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:e > In article <IIFMsLUfv74y@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: Y >> In article <d3j3ho$4o6$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:  >>> C. Bell wrote: >>> I >>>> I am trying to create a linked list that is available to 2 processes L >>>> running in the same cluster. One way is to use a global section, but ifL >>>> I do this I than have to write memory management routines to handle the" >>>> global section memory in "C". >>>>  3 >>>> Does anybody have a better way of doing this ?  >>> 2 >>> Write the memory management routines in PL/I ? >>   >> Or any language but C.  >>  J >> But regardless of language, given the lack of certain other constraintsD >> the list needs to use the interlocked queue instructions. In mostA >> languages that means using LIB$INSQxI and LIB$REMQxI routines.  > F > I thought we were operating on separate nodes in a cluster.  In thisH > case, LIB$INSQxI and LIB$REMQxI are going to be inadequate to preserve > global section consistency.   B To share a global section in a cluster, you have to be on the same piece of hardware, right ?  B Are you saying that LIB$INSQxI and LIB$REMQxI don't work on Galaxy global sections ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 06:00:13 GMT 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS FAQ Errata & Message-ID: <425CDF90.34AB62C8@hp.com>   Alex van Denzel wrote: >  > Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > M > >   There are probably a few other things I've forgotten, and I've received M > >   a text-formatting problem report earlier today -- I'm certain there are M > >   updates and corrections needed in this edition of the FAQ, and I expect N > >   there are some stale URLs.  If you find a problem within this edition ofK > >   the FAQ -- and preferably with the answer or the correction -- please  > >   send it along.  Thanks!  > G > At least in item 14.17 (Where can I get software and hardware support K > information?) the links to http://www.adenzel.demon.nl/vaxes... are dead.  > H > I took them down a few years ago already and didn't put much effort in > new VAX pages yet. > D > But all the same, I'm honoured to be mentioned in the OpenVMS FAQ. > ' > Greetings, and keep up the good work.  >  > -- > Alex.    In the new VMSFAQ_022.HTML: F In the paragraph labeled "Various hardware and system documentation is available at:"F besides the URLs pointing at www.adenzel... there is a URL pointing atG http://www.compaq.com/support/techpubs/user_reference_guides which goes . to a page labeled "Compaq Support has moved"     Mike --    E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:38:49 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey ) Message-ID: <d3ilqp$qcr$1@news.BelWue.DE>   O In article <425c355a$1_3@news.bluewin.ch>, Didier MORANDI <no@spam.com> writes: $ >kmon Christoph, just scroll down... >  >D.  > 2 >(I added 4 votes with ie/NS/Opera and Firefox :-) >  >Christoph Gartmann wrote: >>   >> Ok, but where do I vote?   H Had a look at it with Mozilla 1.7 under OpenVMS 7.3-1. There you have noK possibility to vote :-( Now that I used Camino under MacOS 10.3.8 it looked * slightly different and I was able to vote.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 2005 09:43:36 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey 7 Message-ID: <Xns963777669FF11dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   I %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Didier MORANDI wrote in news:425c355a$1_3@news.bluewin.ch   3 > (I added 4 votes with ie/NS/Opera and Firefox :-)    Vote early.   Vote often. :-)      Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 07:07:19 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey 3 Message-ID: <LxM1e05oekMO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <d3ilqp$qcr$1@news.BelWue.DE>, gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) writes:  J > Had a look at it with Mozilla 1.7 under OpenVMS 7.3-1. There you have no > possibility to vote :-(   E That is strange.  Did you try securing the browser to see if the site I behaved differently ?  Voting worked for me with Netscape 4 on MacOS 9.x.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 07:24:23 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey 3 Message-ID: <otWGR+Z8X6$k@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <d3ilqp$qcr$1@news.BelWue.DE>, gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > J > Had a look at it with Mozilla 1.7 under OpenVMS 7.3-1. There you have no > possibility to vote :-(   ;    I had no problem voting via Mozilla 1.0 under VMS 7.2-1.    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 2005 12:59:41 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey , Message-ID: <3c4jdsF6hr6sjU2@individual.net>  0 In article <115os5ninb94l24@corp.supernews.com>,* 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:3 >> In article <115obh8or98rn59@corp.supernews.com>, - >> 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >>   >>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>> 7 >>>>In article <WCV7eWew7S20@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 4 >>>>	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: >>>> >>>>N >>>>>Sue pointed this out on her non-disclosure mailing list, but since I wentL >>>>>to the site and saw it with my own eyes, I feel free to point out that: >>>>> & >>>>>	http://www.securitypipeline.com/ >>>>>  >>>>>offers a survey:  >>>>> - >>>>>	Which operating system is more secure?   >>>>> 
 >>>>>	Windows  >>>>>	Linux  >>>>>	Mainframes
 >>>>>	Macs	 >>>>>	VMS 	 >>>>>	BSD < >>>>>	The skill of the administrator matters more than which >>>>>	platform you use.  >>>>> L >>>>>While administrator skill matters somewhat, you can't make a silk purse >>>>>out of a sow's ear. >>>>> 1 >>>>>It would be a shame if Windows won the vote.  >>>> >>>>E >>>>See my other posting on this subject.  Under the right conditions 0 >>>>there is no reason why Windows couldn't win. >>>> >>>>bill >>>> >>> 8 >>>Not a chance if we keep packing that ballot box.  :-) >>   >>  D >> And still people here questioned my statement that it was another >> useless poll!!!!  >>   >> bill  >>  H > Well, yeah, you're 100% right.  It's an OPINION poll, and everyone is K > going to vote for their favorite OS.  No, not opinion, it's a popularity  8 > poll.  Just like for president.  Any opinions on that? >   I It's not even that.  It's more a chance for people to show inventive they F can be oin coming up with ways to stuff the ballot box.  What you vote9 for is secondary to how many votes you can actually send,    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:20:31 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey 0 Message-ID: <115qdjjt3845n43@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:2 > In article <115os5ninb94l24@corp.supernews.com>,, > 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >  >>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>3 >>>In article <115obh8or98rn59@corp.supernews.com>, - >>>	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >>>  >>>  >>>>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>>> >>>>8 >>>>>In article <WCV7eWew7S20@eisner.encompasserve.org>,5 >>>>>	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>> O >>>>>>Sue pointed this out on her non-disclosure mailing list, but since I went M >>>>>>to the site and saw it with my own eyes, I feel free to point out that:  >>>>>>' >>>>>>	http://www.securitypipeline.com/  >>>>>> >>>>>>offers a survey: >>>>>>. >>>>>>	Which operating system is more secure?  >>>>>> >>>>>>	Windows >>>>>>	Linux >>>>>>	Mainframes  >>>>>>	Macs 
 >>>>>>	VMS
 >>>>>>	BSD= >>>>>>	The skill of the administrator matters more than which  >>>>>>	platform you use. >>>>>>M >>>>>>While administrator skill matters somewhat, you can't make a silk purse  >>>>>>out of a sow's ear.  >>>>>>2 >>>>>>It would be a shame if Windows won the vote. >>>>>  >>>>> F >>>>>See my other posting on this subject.  Under the right conditions1 >>>>>there is no reason why Windows couldn't win.  >>>>> 	 >>>>>bill  >>>>>  >>>>9 >>>>Not a chance if we keep packing that ballot box.  :-)  >>>  >>> D >>>And still people here questioned my statement that it was another >>>useless poll!!!!  >>>  >>>bill  >>>  >>H >>Well, yeah, you're 100% right.  It's an OPINION poll, and everyone is K >>going to vote for their favorite OS.  No, not opinion, it's a popularity  8 >>poll.  Just like for president.  Any opinions on that? >> >  > K > It's not even that.  It's more a chance for people to show inventive they H > can be oin coming up with ways to stuff the ballot box.  What you vote; > for is secondary to how many votes you can actually send,  >  > bill >   H Doesn't take much.  Cookies seem to be used to determine whether you've G already cast a vote.  The least they could have done was make it a bit   of a challenge.    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 05 11:14:32 EDT) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) - Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey ! Message-ID: <cyrWyH5Jsolm@wvnvms>   h In article <d3ilqp$qcr$1@news.BelWue.DE>, gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > J > Had a look at it with Mozilla 1.7 under OpenVMS 7.3-1. There you have noM > possibility to vote :-( Now that I used Camino under MacOS 10.3.8 it looked , > slightly different and I was able to vote.  F I had no problem voting with Mozilla 1.7 on OpenVMS 7.3-2.  VMS Mosaic was also able to vote.     George Cook  WVNET    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 11:56:08 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey 3 Message-ID: <UUROJnxSzveG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <115qdjjt3845n43@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  J > Doesn't take much.  Cookies seem to be used to determine whether you've I > already cast a vote.  The least they could have done was make it a bit   > of a challenge.   G I have heard of sites that only allow a single action from a particular G IP address.  This is not good when people are running their web browser ; on a large VMS system connected to their local workstation.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:56:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey B Message-ID: <1113411386.2b859b6a4c515d0faedc30d7329f2fc6@teranews>  E You know, the fact that VMS is included in the survey is pretty good.   2 It could have been lumped along with "mainframes".   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:06:48 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey B Message-ID: <1113412010.fda4735bc6c7cb6213d8324bd8e68a7b@teranews>   Hey guys anbd Sue:   As of 13:00 on Wednesday:   
 Windows 4%
 Linux: 10%
 Mainframes 4%  Macs: 3% VMS: 43% BSD: 6%  System manager skills: 28%    D So, congratulations to all who voted, we've given VMS quite a bit ofG exposure. Too bad the trademark "VMS" no longer belongs to HP, and that J 43% think that voluntary milking machines are more secure than Mainframes.  H What I did find odd about the survey is that it did not include Solaris,1 AIX or HP-UX, or lump them into "commercial UNIX"    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 07:27:18 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: OS Security Poll 3 Message-ID: <fH8MEjr9wi6s@eisner.encompasserve.org>     Bill Gunshannon wrote:     > G > Yet another meaningless poll.  System Security has absolutely nothing H > to do with "opinion".  After all, I have a box running Windows NT thatH > is more secure than anything else.  It is not connected to the outsideG > world by any fashion, iit is turned off, it is locked inside a Mosler H > Safe and even I don't remember the combination.  Let's see some script! > kiddie break into that one. :-)  >    B    A script kiddie might not be able to get into it, but if it's aF    laptop I still wouldn't trust it unless you took out the batteries.  E    But if it's "turned off", then it isn't "running Windows NT".  8-)    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 2005 12:57:07 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OS Security Poll , Message-ID: <3c4j92F6hr6sjU1@individual.net>  0 In article <115osn97nk4t43e@corp.supernews.com>,* 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:6 >> In article <GetVCt3EvhL5@eisner.encompasserve.org>,3 >> 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  >>  Z >>>In article <3c2jhkF6kvechU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>> X >>>>In article <DA4AD590CAF06845B671C398333A89C6094ABA01@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>,6 >>>>	"Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> writes: >>>>; >>>>>Vote your opinion at: http://www.securitypipeline.com/ ( >>>>><http://www.securitypipeline.com/>  >>>>>  >>>>I >>>>Yet another meaningless poll.  System Security has absolutely nothing J >>>>to do with "opinion".  After all, I have a box running Windows NT thatJ >>>>is more secure than anything else.  It is not connected to the outsideI >>>>world by any fashion, iit is turned off, it is locked inside a Mosler J >>>>Safe and even I don't remember the combination.  Let's see some script# >>>>kiddie break into that one. :-)y >>>BG >>>It seems, Bill, that you did not actually look at the survey, as youAC >>>would have seen the last option matches your opinion quite well.S >> t >> N6 >> That option does  not make the poll any more valid. >> s >> Take this poll: >>  3 >>              Have you stopped beating your wife?e >>              ___   Yess >>              ___   No >> o >> c >> billk >> s > 5 > False delima!  Logic 101.  (But I failed spelling.)i > ? > The answer is of course no.  Can't stop if you never started.s  B Nice try,  but knowing how statistics are intrerpreted (Mark TwainG not withstanding) and that anyone collecting statistics in this manner kA probable has a preconcieved idea they wish to support the resultstB would read as proof that wife beating is prevalent.  "While 10% ofD men have stopped beating theur wives, 90% continue to."  Why did theF "security" poll not include every other possible system?  Why only one@ windows catagory?  Surely people, even here, realize there is noG similarity between Windows95 and WindowsXP.  Like I said, a total wastetB of time.  And the winner will merely show which group has the mostB time on their hands. (Hmmmmm......  An awful lot of unemployed VMSE guys out there.)  Or the group with a supporter with so much freetimerD he wrote a script to repeatedly send votes for his favorite (or even< for all of them to make the numbers look really ridiculous.)   > G > Good job folks, VMS is now in first place, ahead of the knowledgable aG > administrator, and far ahead of anything else.  Too bad HP marketing  * > won't mention this 'unbiased' poll.  :-)  F I would hope that even the marketeers (assuming there is at least one)9 at HP know enough to not touch this with a ten foot pole.E   bill   -- VJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   .   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:37:13 -0500-/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>  Subject: RE: OS Security Poll@T Message-ID: <DA4AD590CAF06845B671C398333A89C6094ABD81@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  -  Yea, but it was fun to skew the results. ;-):   EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**n     > -----Original Message-----" > From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu B > [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On Behalf Of bill@cs.uofs.edu) > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:57 AMo > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms > Subject: Re: OS Security Poll- > 2 > In article <115osn97nk4t43e@corp.supernews.com>,, > 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > > Bill Gunshannon wrote:8 > >> In article <GetVCt3EvhL5@eisner.encompasserve.org>,5 > >> 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:y > >>  2 > >>>In article <3c2jhkF6kvechU1@individual.net>, , > bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > >>>  > >>>>In article t@ > <DA4AD590CAF06845B671C398333A89C6094ABA01@ohms.electric.ci.aus
 > tin.tx.us>,e8 > >>>>	"Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> writes: > >>>>> > >>>>>Vote your opinion at: http://www.securitypipeline.com/ ) > >>>>><http://www.securitypipeline.com/>s > >>>>>t > >>>>D > >>>>Yet another meaningless poll.  System Security has absolutely E > >>>>nothing to do with "opinion".  After all, I have a box running  D > >>>>Windows NT that is more secure than anything else.  It is not < > >>>>connected to the outside world by any fashion, iit is  > turned off, it eC > >>>>is locked inside a Mosler Safe and even I don't remember the "< > >>>>combination.  Let's see some script kiddie break into  > that one. :-)l > >>> ; > >>>It seems, Bill, that you did not actually look at the o > survey, as you nE > >>>would have seen the last option matches your opinion quite well.i > >> s > >> t8 > >> That option does  not make the poll any more valid. > >> t > >> Take this poll: > >> L5 > >>              Have you stopped beating your wife?- > >>              ___   Yes  > >>              ___   No > >>   > >> D	 > >> bill  > >> w > > 7 > > False delima!  Logic 101.  (But I failed spelling.)D > > A > > The answer is of course no.  Can't stop if you never started.b > ? > Nice try,  but knowing how statistics are intrerpreted (Mark .@ > Twain not withstanding) and that anyone collecting statistics ? > in this manner probable has a preconcieved idea they wish to t? > support the results would read as proof that wife beating is  ; > prevalent.  "While 10% of men have stopped beating theur o< > wives, 90% continue to."  Why did the "security" poll not = > include every other possible system?  Why only one windows S; > catagory?  Surely people, even here, realize there is no e> > similarity between Windows95 and WindowsXP.  Like I said, a > > total waste of time.  And the winner will merely show which < > group has the most time on their hands. (Hmmmmm......  An = > awful lot of unemployed VMS guys out there.)  Or the group n> > with a supporter with so much freetime he wrote a script to = > repeatedly send votes for his favorite (or even for all of a3 > them to make the numbers look really ridiculous.)  >  > > < > > Good job folks, VMS is now in first place, ahead of the  > knowledgable  ? > > administrator, and far ahead of anything else.  Too bad HP - > marketing , > > won't mention this 'unbiased' poll.  :-) > > > I would hope that even the marketeers (assuming there is at F > least one) at HP know enough to not touch this with a ten foot pole. >  > bill >  > -- c@ > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.   > Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |C > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a >    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 08:05:08 -0700' From: "DL Phillips" <whohe@whoever.com>l Subject: Re: OS Security PolleC Message-ID: <1113404708.497987.126980@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>c   Bob Koehler wrote: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >e > >cA > > Yet another meaningless poll.  System Security has absolutelyr nothing E > > to do with "opinion".  After all, I have a box running Windows NTt thatB > > is more secure than anything else.  It is not connected to the outsiderB > > world by any fashion, iit is turned off, it is locked inside a MoslerC > > Safe and even I don't remember the combination.  Let's see somet script# > > kiddie break into that one. :-)n > >i >mD >    A script kiddie might not be able to get into it, but if it's a= >    laptop I still wouldn't trust it unless you took out thel
 batteries. >@G >    But if it's "turned off", then it isn't "running Windows NT".  8-)>  C Ahh, but it still has been infected. How can you tell? If when it'sdA booted, the windows logo appears and windows runs (or attempts tos	 run).(oO)e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:10:59 GMTt3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)e? Subject: Re: ridiculous GBLPAGES Autogen values under VMS 7.2-2r1 Message-ID: <n%77e.3693$qv2.808@news.cpqcorp.net>T  g In article <1113338640.689275.276760@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, chessmaster1010@hotmail.com writes: B >When I have upgraded an Alpha from VMS 7.2-1 to VMS 7.2-2 AUTOGENE >insists on setting GBLPAGES to ridiculously high values, higher thans >the amount of system memory.  > B >The following is from AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT on an AS4100 with system" >memory of 2GB (4194304 pagelets). >   >GBLPAGES parameter information:5 >- AUTOGEN parameter calculation has been overridden.eF >The calculated value was 50397698. The value 50452146 will be used in, >accordance with the following requirements:& >GBLPAGES has been increased by 54448." >GBLPAGES minimum value is 150000.  % Please post a copy of your MODPARAMS.    -- ,J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:19:05 GMT:# From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com>o? Subject: Re: ridiculous GBLPAGES Autogen values under VMS 7.2-2>: Message-ID: <tT97e.41370$vd.16551@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   `i   Charlie Hammond wrote:i > In article <1113338640.689275.276760@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, chessmaster1010@hotmail.com writes:i > C >>When I have upgraded an Alpha from VMS 7.2-1 to VMS 7.2-2 AUTOGEN"F >>insists on setting GBLPAGES to ridiculously high values, higher than >>the amount of system memory. >>C >>The following is from AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT on an AS4100 with systems# >>memory of 2GB (4194304 pagelets).- >>! >>GBLPAGES parameter information:06 >>- AUTOGEN parameter calculation has been overridden.G >>The calculated value was 50397698. The value 50452146 will be used inF- >>accordance with the following requirements:c' >>GBLPAGES has been increased by 54448.k# >>GBLPAGES minimum value is 150000.  >  > ' > Please post a copy of your MODPARAMS.l > E It's not necessary.  Open VMS significantly calculates gblpages much r3 higher. They are just pointers. It's not a problem.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:17:21 GMTo4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>Y Subject: Re: Silly Question:  Any easy workarounds of the limitation of <1Gb Boot disks oa& Message-ID: <425CF1A8.53C22F61@hp.com>  ( Christine Ricketts/Andrew Stewart wrote: >  > Greetings Oh VMS Wizards,  > ; > I am refurbishing two MicroVAX 3100s (model DV-31BT1-A01)s7 > for a mate who lives far from the bright city lights.-; > One to use and another for a complete set of spare parts.U > ; > RZ23 (100MB) disks were being swapped for RZ28s (2Gb) but:< > I couldn't boot from the latter.  From memory, at power up5 > they print KA42?? V1.4 then count down from F to 0.o< > When I typed in BOOT DKAnnn, they echoed back -DKAnnn then@ > printed out an error message.  Sorry, forgot to write it down. > @ > I dragged out later MicroVAX 3100s (a model 80 and a model 40)+ > which happily booted from the same RZ28s.t> > From the depths of my memory came the information that early8 > MicroVAXen boot ROMs could not handle >1Gb boot disks. > ; > I can get around this problem fairly easily by scrounginga; > 500MB SCSI disks, either 3.5 inch internally or 5.25 inch"< > RZ5x's externally in SZ12s, but the evil thought struck me& > that perhaps there were others ways. > 5 > 1/ Were there updated Boot ROMs for these machines?s > B > 2/ From "Version 4.4 VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures" 1988@ > p669 "VMB can prompt for the name of any standalone program toF > be loaded into memory" and "VMB can load the contents of a bootstrap > block from the system disk". > E > Is there an easy way to boot from an RZ23 with a minimum VMS systemtC > then immediately reboot to an RZ28?  The RZ23 wouldn't be a waste < > as it could have a swap and/or page file(s), or user data. > 1 > Apologies in advance if these are stupid ideas.M >  > -- > Regards, Andy. > * > NB.  Remove eXcess if replying by email. > 5 > Blessed Are The Cracked, For They Let In The Light.n > Attributed to Spike Milligan.   D Check out the OpenVMS FAQ, section 14.13: system disk size limit ...     -- eE --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.t? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*eF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------o -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----l Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:09:29 +0800t+ From: Tim E Sneddon <tesneddon@bigpond.com> Y Subject: Re: Silly Question:  Any easy workarounds of the limitation of <1Gb Boot disks o B Message-ID: <1113372574.0eae209ba35b98c69db66556d17a4703@teranews>  ( Christine Ricketts/Andrew Stewart wrote: > Greetings Oh VMS Wizards,u  7 Greetings Oh helpful-person-who-once-sent-me-a-TK50 :-)a  > > From the depths of my memory came the information that early8 > MicroVAXen boot ROMs could not handle >1Gb boot disks.  : This is well documented, and comes up every now and again.  5 > 1/ Were there updated Boot ROMs for these machines?t  " Officially, no. Unofficially, yes.  + Search Google Groups for articles entitled:D  (     "Vs3100/** & uVAX 3100/10 boot ROMs"   This may help you out.  
 Regards, Tim.k   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:56:21 +0100e# From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com>i  Subject: Re: Tape drive ejecting2 Message-ID: <1113375514.16164.0@echo.uk.clara.net>   Christoph Gartmann wrote: l > In article <1113317501.648806.98160@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> writes: > E >>I hadn't actually considered that some tape may have got inside the I >>machine, it certainly seemed to eject cleanly enough. I'll have anotherh >>look.i >>6 >>How would one clear out the innards of such a drive? >  > H > Open the drive and have a look. Or have a close look inside. Sometimes > compressed air will help.i > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmann- > E I threw in a cleaning tape and that worked OK so I threw in a DDS1 - oI also fine. No idea why the DDS2 is being rejected - maybe it's the tape. s Thanks for the input.1   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:00:20 GMT2# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)bA Subject: Re: Trivia challenge (Was: Multiprocessor Microvax II ?)t2 Message-ID: <omb7e.3706$FN2.3163@news.cpqcorp.net>  ^ In article <3c0u7lF6hhicdU1@individual.net>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes: :Hoff Hoffman wrote: :e) :>   ... I'll leave the identification oflK :>   the two models of the SMP-capable and Q-bus-capable family as a triviauK :>   question.  There was a second and very rare BI-based VAXstation, but IiH :>   don't know if anyone ever configured and ran it as a dual.  Another :>   trivia question...l :-A :Well, there were the various 3520 and 3540 models. (VAXstation, o :MicroVAX, VAXserver)s  B   VAXstation 3520 and VAXstation 3540.  There were no MicroVAX norA   VAXserver variants of the platform released as products, AFAIK.i  9   The codes from VAXDEF are VAX$K_V3520 and VAX$K_V3540. s  I :VMS also references 3560, 3580, and 35A0 models.  Were these ever built?r  D   CVAX workstation configurations beyond four processors were never G   available products, nor were workstation configurations with a faster E   VAX processer.  I am aware of various codes that were reserved, buteD   there are any number of these reservations that were either never E   announced, or were never built, or were reserved for other reasons.   / :I believe the BI box was the VAXstation 8250L.s  C   You would be incorrect in the product name, though you're clearlyqD   looking at the product codes -- the codes do not necessarily match   the product names.     	--a  H   Regarding the model names, I've tried to make the distinction between G   the codes and the model names very clear with the SMM codes issued oniE   OpenVMS Alpha.  Alpha codes have code assignments based on various (F   platform characteristics and not at all similar to the product name.I   I'm the fellow that started issuing the longer AS0C0705000C-style codes-J   in ALPHADEF, in other words -- you'll even see the "secret decoder ring"F   listed in the comments of the OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 release, along withG   listings of many of the Alpha systems omitted from previous versions.tI   As part of this work, I also listed examples of the system model names 5D   in the comments, too -- you'll see the code and the marketing nameG   associated with the code.  Where a product has been announced or whenVF   I had the code handy, of course.  I expect I might have missed a few'   of these, for any of various reasons.      From ALPHADEF:  F     "Not all of what you see here was built, shipped and/or announced.G     So-called Whitebox (Microsoft Windows-Only) systems are not listed. D     Various systems listed here are not supported by OpenVMS Alpha."      N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqoN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comt   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 05:37:41 -0700 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com4 Subject: Re: Unix - VMS compatible encryption methodC Message-ID: <1113395861.182896.200640@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   E Thanks to all who replied.  We've reviewed the TCPware product, whichkD was our first suggestion to the customer provided their unix box hadA comparable capabilities but as of now there is no budget for thattE software, and a moderate probability of interference with interveningyF firewalls; the VMS box is behind two layers of network security.  If aF file encryption method is selected using FTP, only the fixed IP of the: Unix box will have access allowed through those firewalls.  @ IPSec VPN is definitely obfuscated by the intervening firewalls.B Stunnel is being looked at but time and budget for the project areF minimal, and the impression is that the file encryption will be faster/ to build, easier to implement and keep running.L  C Thanks for the confirmation on PGP/GPG.  Should be just a matter ofo/ locating the older PGP kit somewhere out there.    Craig,G      I don't know Perl; the Perl programmer here just stated that there D was encryption capability in one of the add-on libraries, as long asE that was available on the older version of VMS.  Apparently it is, asmA long as I can find an appropriate kit, or build the older source;> thanks for the info!   Thanks again for responding.   Rich   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:28:57 GMTg; From: "Jeffrey H. Coffield" <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com>l% Subject: VMS to Max OS X file sharinge; Message-ID: <J0a7e.1725$t85.760@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>t  
 Greetings,  F Does anyone have any experience on connecting a OpenVMS Alpha running G OpenVMS 7.3-2 / TCPIP 5.4 to a Mac running the latest OS X? Samba 2.2 8QG acts very strange with InDesign so I am thinking about NFS. Either siden can be the NFS server.   TIAo
 Jeff Coffielda   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:42:09 +0200 " From: Didier MORANDI <no@spam.com>) Subject: Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharing * Message-ID: <425d4be2$1_1@news.bluewin.ch>   Jeffrey H. Coffield wrote: > Greetings, > H > Does anyone have any experience on connecting a OpenVMS Alpha running I > OpenVMS 7.3-2 / TCPIP 5.4 to a Mac running the latest OS X? Samba 2.2 8fI > acts very strange with InDesign so I am thinking about NFS. Either siden > can be the NFS server. >  > TIAr > Jeff Coffielde   Can you say that again ?  - 1. why Samba? afaik, it is an IBM piece of sweB 2. InDesign? Isn't it an Adobe product for WEB publishing or such?H 3. NFS sounds to me the only way to do disks networking between VMS and F OS X, as far as disk sharing is concerned. If you have no such issue,  why not use good old FTP?   E I do have the same config at home, but the Alpha is not yet rebooted  9 after a house move. I come back here in a couple of days.x   D. -- e6 Didier MORANDI - OpenVMS Expert and SAP CRM Specialist6   13 chemin du Gu - 1213 Petit-Lancy (GE) Switzerland2        Tel.: +4179 8199735 - www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 11:49:29 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)l) Subject: Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharingt3 Message-ID: <iLNxAzpJ6YLb@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  y In article <J0a7e.1725$t85.760@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, "Jeffrey H. Coffield" <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> writes:g > Greetings, > H > Does anyone have any experience on connecting a OpenVMS Alpha running I > OpenVMS 7.3-2 / TCPIP 5.4 to a Mac running the latest OS X? Samba 2.2 8 I > acts very strange with InDesign so I am thinking about NFS. Either sidee > can be the NFS server.  G    I ran an OS X 10.2 client to a Multinet 4.4 NFS service on an ODS-5 oG    disk under VMS 7.2-1.  It would have been better if the NFS service -H    had supported ODS-5, which I think is in Multinet 5.0.  I had no realE    problems, but you do have to understand Multinet's mapping of file+    names onto ODS-2.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:06:28 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)eH Subject: Re: [OpenVMS,PCSI] How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMMPRESSED ?0 Message-ID: <EH97e.3696$DA2.10@news.cpqcorp.net>  - In article <425d3996$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>, c8 peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:  1 >Is there a simple way to PRODUCT COMPRESS kits ?   : I suppose this depends on what you call "simple".  <smile>  H You can create a compressed PCSI kit _only_ by copying from a sequential' PCSI kit.  The command looks like this:a  #     $ PRODUCT COPY <product-name> --         /SOURCE=<seq-dir> -l)         /KIT_ATTRIBUTES=TYPE=SEQUENTIAL -r!         /DESTINATION=<dest-dir> -d         /FORMAT=COMPRESSED     C     <seq-dir> is the directory where the sequential kit is located. G     If the sequential kit is the ONLY kit for this prodict in <seq-dir>11     you will not have to specivy /KIT_ATTRIBUTES.mI     <dest-dir> is the directory where the compressed kit will be written.oF     You may have/want to specify /BASE_SYSTEM and/or /PRODUCER in some>     cases; you may also have/want to specify other qualifiers.    I >AFAIK, a PRODUCT PACKAGE (is this the preferred method of building kits,r0 >eg. at HPQ ?) doesn't support .PCSI$COMPRESSED.  D This is correct.  To reduce developement time the ability to packageI directly to a compressed kit was not implemented.  To my knowledge, there.E is no plan to implement this.  If it is important to you, please makes" a request through formal channels.  H It is also not possible to PRODUCT COPY between REFERENCE and COMPRESSED formats.  Same reason.   -- :J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:17:01 GMTi3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)sH Subject: Re: [OpenVMS,PCSI] How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMMPRESSED ?2 Message-ID: <NJa7e.3702$TG2.1756@news.cpqcorp.net>  + In article <425d40a8@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>,  8 peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: ..E >Unfortunately, uncompressing brings (if logging is enabled, eg. withjE >$ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC PCSI$LOG TRUE) a lot of %PCSI-I-PKGFIL messagesiH >(which compressing does not !) and the resulting .PCSI is not identical= >(to the source of this experiment) - but (sometimes) almost.   , I'll call this to the developers' attention.; I'm sure the first thing the will request is the output of I       $ PRODUCT SHOW UTILITY   Please post this.2   ..L >PS: Is there a way to avoid the question "Do you want to continue [YES]" ifO >in interactive mode ? I so far found no *NO_ASK* logical or /NOCONFIRM qual...e  J Yes.  Include the /PRODUCER /BASE_SYSTEM and /VERSION on the PRODUCT COPY.     -- sJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 18:45:59 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)H Subject: Re: [OpenVMS,PCSI] How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMMPRESSED ?, Message-ID: <425d68e7$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>  h In article <NJa7e.3702$TG2.1756@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:d >In article <425d40a8@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:F >>Unfortunately, uncompressing brings (if logging is enabled, eg. withF >>$ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC PCSI$LOG TRUE) a lot of %PCSI-I-PKGFIL messagesI >>(which compressing does not !) and the resulting .PCSI is not identicalr> >>(to the source of this experiment) - but (sometimes) almost. >i- >I'll call this to the developers' attention.h  
 Thanks a lot.s  L btw: The whole thing started because I wanted to have/download AVAIL_MAN_COLK for I64 (SWROLL tells, you need V2.5, this could be wrong again ;-) and the I AVAIL_MAN webpage had (no V2.5, but a V2.4-1 for all platforms) for I64 aeK pure .PCSI$COMPRESSED [which you have to repair with SET FILE/ATR=(RFM=FIX,eL LRL=512) after the download :-(] and for the Alpha a compressed .PCSI, whileL the kit itself was for a platform "VMS" so I assumed for all three flavours,M and indeed they were all identical (after unpacking & compressing the .PCSI).e  J But alas, if I'd only have a I64, then I would need to download (& repair)L the .PCSI$COMPRESSED kit only because I can't decompress an .PCSI_DCX_AXPEXEK on I64. Why don't they finally use the ZIPSFX for _all_ the kits ???? Sigh.y  < >I'm sure the first thing the will request is the output of  >  >    $ PRODUCT SHOW UTILITYd  E Are you sure ? You think, they will not try it themselves first ? ;-)nM Every kit so far tested by me showed this behaviour. But maybe its only me...    >Please post this.   $ prod sh util: POLYCENTER Software Installation utility version: V8.2-1135     Product Configuration File (PCF) support level: 1n3     Product Description File (PDF) support level: 9o,     Product Text File (PTF) support level: 2?     Image Name: DSA901:[SYS5.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]PCSI$MAIN.EXE;1>B %PCSIUI-I-SUCSHUTIL, SHOW UTILITY operation completed successfully  8 But the same behaviour is seen with I64 and Alpha V7.3-2  M >>PS: Is there a way to avoid the question "Do you want to continue [YES]" ifgP >>in interactive mode ? I so far found no *NO_ASK* logical or /NOCONFIRM qual... >>K >Yes.  Include the /PRODUCER /BASE_SYSTEM and /VERSION on the PRODUCT COPY.   7 Indeed. But then, the commands are no longer simple ;-)e   Thanks   -- t Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERw% Network and OpenVMS system specialist> E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 11:57:49 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)eH Subject: Re: [OpenVMS,PCSI] How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMMPRESSED ?3 Message-ID: <yy0zQoICtDFE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <425d40a8@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: g > In article <425d3996$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:w2 >>Is there a simple way to PRODUCT COMPRESS kits ? >>J >>AFAIK, a PRODUCT PACKAGE (is this the preferred method of building kits,1 >>eg. at HPQ ?) doesn't support .PCSI$COMPRESSED.s >>H >>A PRODUCT COPY/FORMAT=COMPRESSED is able to create such kits, but fromF >>which input, or what is the correct command ? (I so far always get a >>%PCSIUI-E-ABORT) >>
 >>Anyone ? >  > Found it now myself, thanks. > P > $ PROD COPY/DEST=PCSI$SOURCE:/FORM=COMP/KIT=FORM=SEQ product ! for compressingR > $ PROD COPY/DEST=PCSI$SOURCE:/FORM=SEQ/KIT=FORM=COMP product ! for decompressing > B > btw: Can we have them listed in the HELP PRODUCT COPY Examples ?  A But not without a warning that the result cannot be used on oldero versions of VMS !e   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 19:20:09 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)G Subject: [PCSI] PACKAGE vs COPY, was How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMk, Message-ID: <425d70e9$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>  f In article <EH97e.3696$DA2.10@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:f >In article <425d3996$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:J >>AFAIK, a PRODUCT PACKAGE (is this the preferred method of building kits,1 >>eg. at HPQ ?) doesn't support .PCSI$COMPRESSED.  > E >This is correct.  To reduce developement time the ability to packageiJ >directly to a compressed kit was not implemented.  To my knowledge, thereF >is no plan to implement this.  If it is important to you, please make# >a request through formal channels.m  , No, not at all, but thanks for the offer ;-)  I >It is also not possible to PRODUCT COPY between REFERENCE and COMPRESSEDg >formats.  Same reason.t  F So, as you haven't answered what to use (and when), I thought I ask...  C What is the practical difference of PACKAGE versus COPY ref to seq v& and which method is used at HPQ more ?  K Note, I haven't kitted yet, neither with VMSINSTAL, nor with PCSI, I'm onlyiJ a sysman. (I once replaced a fixed KITINSTAL.COM, but that doesn't count).   TIAo   -- p Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialiste E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.206 ************************ty Survey B Message-ID: <1113411386.2b859b6a4c515d0faedc30d7329f2fc6@teranews>  E You know, the fact that VMS is included in the survey is pretty good.   2 It could have been lumped along with "mainframes".   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:06:48 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey B Message-ID: <111341201ú_egdxx@'OBQn7=3QL"ywԷp'?H&ﮑʣ+N ?B49 !C2|}[o:E^!ϡJmY=@F5wؾ](R/kZrmX9tQn֢uxx\=[nHuB>FBUnU_}p'=D߻D|+?osakRTՈ:$&_s/u/U_5Y}h>?2I)-Pw@P6#晠}Wo`Nq| ֱxMf 6燉/-m~p|P
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