1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 14 Apr 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 207       Contents: Re: (history of) BACKUP/ALIAS  Re: (history of) BACKUP/ALIAS  Re: (history of) BACKUP/ALIAS 5 Re: Frustration!  EB64+ too old to run OpenVMS 7.3-1? 2 HIGHWATER_MARKING v. TCPIP V5.4 - ECO 4 FTP client5 Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections  NFS client performance Re: NFS client performance Re: NFS client performance Re: NFS client performance Re: NFS client performanceP NO JOKE MAKE THOUSANDS USING PAYPAL WITH 6 MEASLY DOLLARS THINK IM KIDDING JUST $ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey Re: Race for dual core 8086s Re: Race for dual core 8086s6 Re: ridiculous GBLPAGES Autogen values under VMS 7.2-2  shared system files in a cluster8 Re: Trivia challenge (Was: Multiprocessor Microvax II ?)8 Re: Trivia challenge (Was: Multiprocessor Microvax II ?)+ Re: Unix - VMS compatible encryption method   Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharingB Re: [PCSI] PACKAGE vs COPY, was How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMB Re: [PCSI] PACKAGE vs COPY, was How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMB Re: [PCSI] PACKAGE vs COPY, was How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COM  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 11:39:48 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>& Subject: Re: (history of) BACKUP/ALIASC Message-ID: <1113417588.169811.108480@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > AEF wrote:C > > Uh, make that: if the file happened to be saved under its alias  nameC > > and you specified /NOALIAS during a restore, that file won't be 
 > > restored!  >  > F > If you backup /ALIAS, wouldn't the alias file also have the contents@ > stored in it ? Would a  "restore/NOLIAS" ignore the contents ?    D I was talking about the case in which older versions of BACKUP wouldC copy aliased files either under their primary names or alias names. 4 What this means is that you would have, for example,  0   alias entry: [sys0.syscommon.sysexe]sysuaf.dat, primary entry: [vms$common.sysexe]sysuaf.dat  F with backup saving this single file under its alias directory, BUT NOT> UNDER ITS PRIMARY DIRECTORY. Then later when you restored with" /NOALIAS, BACKUP would detect that  ! [sys0.syscommon.sysexe]sysuaf.dat   F was an alias and skip it. Since it wasn't saved also under its primaryA directory, the file wouldn't be restored! Using /ALIAS during the  restore would save the day.    OK?    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 11:50:26 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>& Subject: Re: (history of) BACKUP/ALIASC Message-ID: <1113418226.129192.207080@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote: 1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: D > > OK.  But the combination of /[NO]ALIAS with /IMAGE should not be# > > allowed.  An IMAGE is an IMAGE.  >  > B > I agree 300% with this. Making the /ALIAS qualified illegal when /IMAGE: > is supplied would remove a lot of confusion. HOWEVER....    F Well, you NEED /ALIAS when restoring from older image save sets or youD risk missing files that were stored under their alias file-specs but# not under their primary file-specs.      > Here a question: > G > lets say I have dka200:[recipes]chocolate.dat with file id (10,20,30)  > G > and I have dka200:[deserts]chocolate_alias.dat pointing to (10,20,30)  >  > If I  BACKUP/IMAGE/ALIAS > 6 > is it correct to assume that I can then restore with* BACKUP/SELECT=[deserts]chocolate_alias.dat > F > and then the file will be created on any other drive with a new file ID > and it contents ?     D As I currently understand it, yes! Why don't you try this and let us know?     G > So in that sense, there is a point in /IMAGE/ALIAS since it gives one F > the opportunity to restore single files to different "empty" drives,    C What does "empty drives" have to do with anything? What it means is # that you can restore the file using D /SELECT=any-of-the-file's-alias-file-specs. You'll get a copy of theE file, but it won't be in the same alias state as the original; you'll ? just get a fresh copy of the file, data and all, just as in any  non-image restore operation.  E I already mentioned this as an advanatage of using BACKUP/IMAGE/ALIAS F to save files to a save set in a previous post in this thread. Perhaps( it didn't make it to your news provider.    G > whereas a BACKUP/NOALIAS generates a saveset which can only really be C > used to restore the whole drive. (although in practice, you could 8 > restore any individual file by doing enough research).    G You can restore any file individually with /SELECT from a save set made B with BACKUP/IMAGE/NOALIAS provided you know its primary file-spec.    @ > What would be nice to have is some sort of tool where from the saveset 8 > created with /NOALIAS I could find out that to restore@ > CHOCOLATE_ALIAS.DAT I would also need to restore CHOCOLATE.DAT  4 (You mean to restore the file with all its aliases.)  D This tool would have to read all the .DIR files in the save set. DFUF will find aliases on a disk. I don't think it will work on a save set.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:16:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: (history of) BACKUP/ALIASB Message-ID: <1113423405.99e4b4f3acc255151e5f8256178fa408@teranews>  
 AEF wrote:B > > What would be nice to have is some sort of tool where from the	 > saveset : > > created with /NOALIAS I could find out that to restoreB > > CHOCOLATE_ALIAS.DAT I would also need to restore CHOCOLATE.DAT > 6 > (You mean to restore the file with all its aliases.) > F > This tool would have to read all the .DIR files in the save set. DFUH > will find aliases on a disk. I don't think it will work on a save set.  G  Well, perhaps BACKUP could be modified so that in a /NOLIAS operation, E BACKUP would find the real file name for an alias file and store that  information in the saveset.   H The way, you could do a /SELECT=alias_file_name and BACKUP, upon findingH that file name, would then read the original file name and then read theD save set again to extract the original file. (or alternatively, justF issue a warning message to the user that the selected file is justr an/ alias file and provide the original file name).    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:43:26 -0700 - From: Jake Hamby <jhamby IS AT pobox DOT com> > Subject: Re: Frustration!  EB64+ too old to run OpenVMS 7.3-1?8 Message-ID: <v1or51hhl2bg5qlikff8nasmgu84a8v2s9@4ax.com>  F On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:57:56 GMT, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:  F >  The comments around the preferences are my own.  I would not chooseE >  to acquire an Alpha system with less than an EV56 processor, and I F >  would prefer and would look for an EV6-class processor, or better. E >  For some applications, a 150 MHz 21064 EV4 box would be just fine.   >  But not for my typical usage.  E Thanks to the responses I got from some friendly souls who replied to D my request for help, I have now upgraded to 8.2.  It does run on theA old box but you're right that a 266 MHz 21064A is simply not fast F enough for development purposes.  Just doing a gnutar extraction of anD 11MB .tar.bz2 file is taking about five hours to complete!  If I hadB thought about it, I would have downloaded the .tar.gz instead, butE it's kind of amusing watching the thing chugging along *slowly* while  working on other tasks.   H >  There are tools you may/will want to use that can effectively requireF >  access to byte-word.  Mozilla is one, and there are other examples.F >  You most certainly can continue to run on the older boxes, but suchD >  can be very slow.  I was happily running an AlphaStation 255 longH >  beyond its useful life -- until I ran into several of these byte-word> >  applications.  I ended up scrounging up a system upgrade.    E Well it looks like I was fortunate then:  according to the screenshot C of the SRM console of the system I purchased through eBay, it has a @ 600MHz 21164A-2 installed.  I've been reading about the new byteE instructions in the EV56 and seen enough code that has been specially D compiled for it, so I'm happy that I'll be able to take advantage ofB that when it arrives and I won't be stuck with a 21164.  I suspectC that my little gnutar/bzip2 job would be even faster on the new CPU D (beyond the automatic performance improvement of being a much fasterC box) if bzip2 was recompiled with EV56 optimizations, since I would : guess that the algorithm must do a lot of byte operations.  H >  There is also presently a US$2K special on an Integrity rx1620 seriesI >  box, including a training class.  Or is it a training class for US$2K, I >  including an Integrity rx1620?  (This tends to hold down the prices of  >  Alpha systems, of course.)   E That's good to know.  I like the idea of maintaining a job skill that F no one else is learning these days.  The industry is always so myopic:E everyone wants to be doing the latest and greatest and hottest thing, @ which right now seems to be Linux, and long-term thinking is notC encouraged.  I already know Linux pretty well, and if I hadn't used B VMS at school, I certainly wouldn't have the patience or desire toB learn it now, so I might as well take advantage of the familiarityC that I'm sure that 99% of programmers in their 20's do not have (or B have pushed out of their minds as being something obsolete, on par with DOS or Windows 3.1).   D I think the Itanium is a great strategy and I hope that it works outE well for both HP and Intel.  Having read through the IA-32 manuals in A order to do kernel hacking for Syllable, I know what a total crap D architecture it is.  The "common wisdom" may be that Itanium is "tooF slow" and that the latest and greatest is x86-64, and that may be trueE if you only want to think 2 years into the future, which is sadly the C way the industry works.  For VMS to have succeeded for 28 years and B still be competitive shows that it pays to think 20 years into theE future, not 2, and so the two seem a natural fit for each other.  For E an example of the opposite approach, we need only to look at Solaris, A which has no unique "hook" to give it a competitive edge over any F other UNIX flavor du jour.  Let's see in five years time where SolarisC on AMD-64 is, and where VMS on IA-64 is, and which company made the  better business decisions.   -Jake    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 23:01:51 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda); Subject: HIGHWATER_MARKING v. TCPIP V5.4 - ECO 4 FTP client 2 Message-ID: <05041323015123_2860027B@antinode.org>  F    So there I was, starting to check out large-file support for Wget. G Always playing it safe, I thought it wise first to try to fetch a large $ file using the simple FTP client in:   ALP2 $ tcpip show version   ;   HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 4 ;   on a Digital Personal WorkStation  running OpenVMS V7.3-2   B    Imagine my surprise when the system went into its usual lock-upF caused by the now-famous big-allocation-with-highwater-marking-enabled problem.  C    Assuming that the FTP client doesn't do any exotic seeking in an H output file, it might be nice if it did that fancy SQO thing to ease the2 pain when it does the file allocation in one shot.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 13:16:25 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org> Subject: Re: How to create linked lists inside global sections3 Message-ID: <w$VHBlDNVBYR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <57Aoc8763PfA@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: V > In article <Gf3Ry8CDnxTe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:f >> In article <IIFMsLUfv74y@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:Z >>> In article <d3j3ho$4o6$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes: >>>> C. Bell wrote:  >>>>  J >>>>> I am trying to create a linked list that is available to 2 processesM >>>>> running in the same cluster. One way is to use a global section, but if M >>>>> I do this I than have to write memory management routines to handle the # >>>>> global section memory in "C".  >>>>> 4 >>>>> Does anybody have a better way of doing this ? >>>>  3 >>>> Write the memory management routines in PL/I ?  >>>  >>> Or any language but C. >>> K >>> But regardless of language, given the lack of certain other constraints E >>> the list needs to use the interlocked queue instructions. In most B >>> languages that means using LIB$INSQxI and LIB$REMQxI routines. >>  G >> I thought we were operating on separate nodes in a cluster.  In this I >> case, LIB$INSQxI and LIB$REMQxI are going to be inadequate to preserve  >> global section consistency. > D > To share a global section in a cluster, you have to be on the same > piece of hardware, right ?  ? He didn't say share a global section.  He said share data using > a global section.  No indication that the node-specific global9 sections were linked by anything more than backing store.   D > Are you saying that LIB$INSQxI and LIB$REMQxI don't work on Galaxy > global sections ?    Nope.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:28:26 -0700 + From: Andrew Burghardt <abob@speakeasy.net>  Subject: NFS client performance 2 Message-ID: <DNadnchohKls-cDfRVn-qA@speakeasy.net>   Hi:   D We have an HP storageworks RAID system on a Proliant server (RHEL 3)G being served to a 2 node cluster of vms workstations via NFS (tcpip 5.4 E ECO 1) on a 100mbps network. Read performance is around 5-6MB/s while B write performance is absolutely horrible (200-300KB/s). Almost allG writting is large chunks of data to single files (10s of MB to multiple  GBs).   * the filesystem is mounted at startup with:  4 tcpip mount DNFS2: /host="blah" /path="/export/blah"  F From other *nix clients read/write performance is more or less normal,H so it would seem the problem lies on the vms client side. Any ideas what could be the problem here?   Andrew   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 13:42:29 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: NFS client performance 3 Message-ID: <F06DFgVVY26s@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <DNadnchohKls-cDfRVn-qA@speakeasy.net>, Andrew Burghardt <abob@speakeasy.net> writes: > Hi:  > F > We have an HP storageworks RAID system on a Proliant server (RHEL 3)I > being served to a 2 node cluster of vms workstations via NFS (tcpip 5.4 G > ECO 1) on a 100mbps network. Read performance is around 5-6MB/s while D > write performance is absolutely horrible (200-300KB/s). Almost allI > writting is large chunks of data to single files (10s of MB to multiple  > GBs).  > , > the filesystem is mounted at startup with: > 6 > tcpip mount DNFS2: /host="blah" /path="/export/blah" > H > From other *nix clients read/write performance is more or less normal,J > so it would seem the problem lies on the vms client side. Any ideas what > could be the problem here?  - With what size packets are you calling $QIO ?   J I presume that NFS does not do any better replacing $QIO with $IO_PERFORM,% but someone else may want to comment.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:03:40 -0000  From: danholm@gmail.invalid # Subject: Re: NFS client performance 2 Message-ID: <c170j2-m7a.ln1@sharon.alertlogic.net>  , Andrew Burghardt <abob@speakeasy.net> wrote:  F > We have an HP storageworks RAID system on a Proliant server (RHEL 3)I > being served to a 2 node cluster of vms workstations via NFS (tcpip 5.4 G > ECO 1) on a 100mbps network. Read performance is around 5-6MB/s while D > write performance is absolutely horrible (200-300KB/s). Almost allI > writting is large chunks of data to single files (10s of MB to multiple  > GBs).   F I had poor network performance in general, but most noticably with NFSG mounts, until I realized OpenVMS doesn't enable auto-negotiation on the H network interfaces by default and my switch wasn't enabling the ports asB full-duplex.  Once I SET DEV EWA0/AUTO in LANCP everything started behaving as expected.   E That issue, of course, would affect everything network related, so if D your performance problems are strictly with NFS then that may not be the problem.   --   Dan    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:18:12 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid># Subject: Re: NFS client performance 2 Message-ID: <Ufe7e.3758$JU2.2444@news.cpqcorp.net>  F Which NFS protocol version is being used? (I wasn't sure if "DNFS2" in* the mount data meant v2 or something else)  @ Unless the server does "evil cheating async writes" NFS v2 writeD performance can be quite bad as every write request is a synchronousD disc I/O on the server that must be completed before the write reply can be sent.  C NFSv3 offers a "write to cache" variant on the write that can spead E things up considerably, and has a "flush" or "sync" option to let the : client make sure everything is commited to stable storage.  D So, one possibility is that your system is using a V2 mount when the others are using a V3 mount.  
 rick jones --  G oxymoron n, commuter in a gas-guzzling luxury SUV with an American flag F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:18:36 -0400 4 From: David R. Beatty <QWDavidER.TYBeattyUI@sas.com># Subject: Re: NFS client performance 8 Message-ID: <8bvq51p4prq2fn11fnedq1msuspuv0ttn1@4ax.com>  B On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:18:12 GMT, Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid> wrote:  G >Which NFS protocol version is being used? (I wasn't sure if "DNFS2" in + >the mount data meant v2 or something else)  > A >Unless the server does "evil cheating async writes" NFS v2 write E >performance can be quite bad as every write request is a synchronous E >disc I/O on the server that must be completed before the write reply 
 >can be sent.  > D >NFSv3 offers a "write to cache" variant on the write that can speadF >things up considerably, and has a "flush" or "sync" option to let the; >client make sure everything is commited to stable storage.  > E >So, one possibility is that your system is using a V2 mount when the  >others are using a V3 mount.  >  >rick jones   ) Take a look at TCPIP SYSCONFIG -Q NFS and C TCPIP SYSCONFIG -Q VFS, there are some parameters you might be able " to tune to get better performance.  ; Also, look at the /DATA qualifier on the mount, it defaults  to 8K maximum read and write.    David Beatty   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 20:59:21 -0700 From: SHRRHT@AOL.COMY Subject: NO JOKE MAKE THOUSANDS USING PAYPAL WITH 6 MEASLY DOLLARS THINK IM KIDDING JUST  C Message-ID: <1113451161.494663.129220@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   ? I'm sure you've read these letters asking you to send $1 to six D different addresses. 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You then enter@ the numbers of the 2 small deposit amounts (two separate 2 digitE numbers) that were deposited to your bank account or credit card. Now ? you have a working and confirmed PayPal account and can receive 	 payments. 0 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ [STEP 1]D Send, though PayPal, $1.00 to each email on the below list. Make theF subject of the payment "Email List" and in the comments, write "PLEASEG PUT ME ON YOUR EMAIL LIST." What you are doing is creating a service by   G this - and best of all you are not giving your address to anyone you do   E not know. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL!! YOU ARE CREATING A SERVICE. Here 2 are the latest PayPal e-mails on the e-mail lists: 1. Lenny8971 @aol.com  2. chrlwoods8 @aol.com 3. nancysespinoza@sbcglobal.net  4. mano.co@netzero.net 5. MustangW302GT94@aol.com 6. Zed695@aol.com  www.paypal.com$ Subject of Payment: ***Email List***0 Comments: ***PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR EMAIL LIST*** [STEP 2]F Now take the #1) email off the list that you see above, move the other> addresses up one (6 becomes 5 & 5 becomes 4, etc) the put YOURG email address (the one used in your PayPal account) as #6) on the list.   A **MAKE SURE THE EMAIL YOU SUPPLY IS EXACTLY AS IT APPEARS IN YOUR  PAYPAL ACCOUNT** [STEP 3]E Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as close to D original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at least 200C newsgroups, message boards, etc. (I think there are close to 32,000 F groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more> money you make - as well as everyone else on the list! In this> situation your job is to let as many people see this letter asC possible. So they will make you and me reach!!!! You can even start F posting the moment your email is confirmed. Payments will still appearG in your PayPal account even while your bank account is being confirmed.   0 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$7 DIRECTIONS ON HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS/MESSAGE BOARDS.  [Step 1]E You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own posting. D Simply put your CURSOR at the beginning of this letter and drag yourF CURSOR to the bottom of this document, and select 'copy' from the editE menu. This will copy the entire letter into your computer's temporary  memory.  [Step 2]G Open a blank Notepad file and place your cursor at the top of the blank   D page. From the 'Edit' menu select 'Paste'. This will paste a copy ofC the letter into notepad so that you can add your email to the list.  [Step 3]A Save your new Notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do your G postings in different sittings, you'll always have this file to go back    to.  [Step 4]? Use Netscape or Internet Explorer and try searching for various A newsgroups, on-line forums, message boards, bulletin boards, chat ? sites, discussions, discussion groups, online communities, etc. < EXAMPLE: go to any search engine like yahoo.com, google.com,9 altavista.com, excite.com, then search with subjects like > "millionaire message board" or "money making message board" or< "opportunity message board" or "money making discussions" or? "business bulletin board" or "money making forum" etc. You will E find thousands and thousands of message boards. Click them one by one 4 then you will find the option to post a new message. [Step 5]D Visit these message boards and post this article as a new message byC highlighting the text of this letter and selecting 'Paste' from the G 'Edit' menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone   D sees as they scroll thru the list of postings in a particular group,? click the post message button. You're done with your first one! D Congratulations! THAT'S IT!! All you have to do is jump to differentD newsgroups and post away. After you get the hang of it, it will takeD about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPSE AND/OR MESSAGE BOARDS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT G YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** That's it! You will begin receiving   F money within days! **JUST MAKE SURE THE EMAIL YOU SUPPLY IS EXACTLY AS IT APPEARS ON PAYPAL.** 	 Have fun!    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 2005 18:30:11 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey , Message-ID: <3c56pjF6j7ngvU1@individual.net>  3 In article <UUROJnxSzveG@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:\ > In article <115qdjjt3845n43@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > K >> Doesn't take much.  Cookies seem to be used to determine whether you've  J >> already cast a vote.  The least they could have done was make it a bit  >> of a challenge. > I > I have heard of sites that only allow a single action from a particular I > IP address.  This is not good when people are running their web browser = > on a large VMS system connected to their local workstation.    Or any site that uses NAT.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:04:18 -0700 & From: Mitch Wagner <mitch@wagmail.com>- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey + Message-ID: <1w4iygvahwx9f.dlg@wagmail.com>   ( On 13 Apr 2005 09:43:36 GMT, Doc. wrote:  K > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Didier MORANDI wrote in news:425c355a$1_3@news.bluewin.ch  > 4 >> (I added 4 votes with ie/NS/Opera and Firefox :-) >  > Vote early.   Vote often. :-)     % Ooooo, you guys are SOOOOOOOO busted.    --     Mitch Wagner< Editor, Security Pipeline, http:///www.securitypipeline.com C Senior Editor, TechWeb Pipelines, http://www.techweb.com/pipelines  1 Wagner's Weblog: http://wagblog.InternetWeek.com     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:03:44 -0700 & From: Mitch Wagner <mitch@wagmail.com>- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey + Message-ID: <1my3kw00l5yuf.dlg@wagmail.com>   3 On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:06:48 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:    > Hey guys anbd Sue: >  > As of 13:00 on Wednesday:  >  > Windows 4% > Linux: 10% > Mainframes 4% 
 > Macs: 3%
 > VMS: 43%	 > BSD: 6%  > System manager skills: 28% >  > F > So, congratulations to all who voted, we've given VMS quite a bit ofI > exposure. Too bad the trademark "VMS" no longer belongs to HP, and that L > 43% think that voluntary milking machines are more secure than Mainframes. > J > What I did find odd about the survey is that it did not include Solaris,3 > AIX or HP-UX, or lump them into "commercial UNIX"   , Yeah, that was a stupid mistake on my part.    --     Mitch Wagner< Editor, Security Pipeline, http:///www.securitypipeline.com C Senior Editor, TechWeb Pipelines, http://www.techweb.com/pipelines  1 Wagner's Weblog: http://wagblog.InternetWeek.com     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:27:47 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey 0 Message-ID: <115rdliei6m4ja6@corp.supernews.com>   Mitch Wagner wrote: * > On 13 Apr 2005 09:43:36 GMT, Doc. wrote: >  > K >>%NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Didier MORANDI wrote in news:425c355a$1_3@news.bluewin.ch  >> >>4 >>>(I added 4 votes with ie/NS/Opera and Firefox :-) >> >>Vote early.   Vote often. :-)  >  >  > ' > Ooooo, you guys are SOOOOOOOO busted.  >    But, are we correct?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:34:33 -0700 & From: Mitch Wagner <mitch@wagmail.com>- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey , Message-ID: <14vkex1y5e7k6$.dlg@wagmail.com>  6 On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:27:47 -0400, Dave Froble wrote:   > Mitch Wagner wrote: + >> On 13 Apr 2005 09:43:36 GMT, Doc. wrote:  >>   >>  L >>>%NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Didier MORANDI wrote in news:425c355a$1_3@news.bluewin.ch >>>  >>> 5 >>>>(I added 4 votes with ie/NS/Opera and Firefox :-)  >>>   >>>Vote early.   Vote often. :-) >>   >>   >>  ( >> Ooooo, you guys are SOOOOOOOO busted. >>   >  > But, are we correct?  E I'm not sufficiently familiar with VMS to be entitled to an opinion.    I I'm inclined to vote with the majority -- or the majority before YOU GUYS F CAME IN AND MESSED THINGS UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- that the skills of the sysadmin are matters most.     Mitch Wagner   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 03:17:28 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey , Message-ID: <3c5ul0F6ijfblU1@individual.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  \ > In article <115qdjjt3845n43@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >  > J >>Doesn't take much.  Cookies seem to be used to determine whether you've I >>already cast a vote.  The least they could have done was make it a bit   >>of a challenge.  >  > I > I have heard of sites that only allow a single action from a particular I > IP address.  This is not good when people are running their web browser = > on a large VMS system connected to their local workstation.   I Proxy servers mess this up, and I've seen it bite in two ways (at a time VH when I had only had internet access from work, so was governed by their  setup)  I 1. I was not allowed to vote on some issue or other because someone else e@ within the company had already voted (though I succeeded later).  E 2. When trying to subscribe to some service, apparently the final IP sG address didn't match the one I started out with and my transaction was  	 rejected.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 03:29:26 +0200J& From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Surveyt, Message-ID: <3c5vbeF6jkq91U1@individual.net>   Mitch Wagner wrote:   8 > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:27:47 -0400, Dave Froble wrote: >  >  >>Mitch Wagner wrote:m >>+ >>>On 13 Apr 2005 09:43:36 GMT, Doc. wrote:u >>>  >>>p >>>nM >>>>%NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Didier MORANDI wrote in news:425c355a$1_3@news.bluewin.chy >>>> >>>> >>>>6 >>>>>(I added 4 votes with ie/NS/Opera and Firefox :-) >>>>! >>>>Vote early.   Vote often. :-)  >>>8 >>>  >>>a( >>>Ooooo, you guys are SOOOOOOOO busted. >>>  >> >>But, are we correct? >  > G > I'm not sufficiently familiar with VMS to be entitled to an opinion. i >   5 You can of course grab yourself a free VMS account onv   openvms-rocks.comV   or   www.decuserve.orgt  G Telnet in for the first login once you have requested an account (done  J easily and available within a minute or so); thereafter, ssh is available.  E Plenty of experienced help available in both places, using the NOTES PE conferences (tpye "notes" at the command prompt, then "help" to find - your way around).    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 03:32:59 +0200u& From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey., Message-ID: <3c5vi3F6jaov7U1@individual.net>   Christoph Gartmann wrote:   Q > In article <425c355a$1_3@news.bluewin.ch>, Didier MORANDI <no@spam.com> writes:d > +                                  ^^^^^^^^^^d  G Bonjour Didier. Does posting from bluewin.ch mean your are back in .ch?o If so plz lemme know where.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:33:06 -0700e& From: Mitch Wagner <mitch@wagmail.com>- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey * Message-ID: <lklf8hq1pf2l.dlg@wagmail.com>  5 On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 03:29:26 +0200, Paul Sture wrote:s   > 7 > You can of course grab yourself a free VMS account ony >  > openvms-rocks.coma >  > or >  > www.decuserve.orga > I > Telnet in for the first login once you have requested an account (done  L > easily and available within a minute or so); thereafter, ssh is available. > G > Plenty of experienced help available in both places, using the NOTES iG > conferences (tpye "notes" at the command prompt, then "help" to find   > your way around).      Thanks.   K I'll definitely let my wife know -- she's a VMS advocate from way back; sheaK worked at Digital. I have overheard her muttering about VMS when struggling1 with Windows.    Mitch Wagner   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:10:16 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>m- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Surveye, Message-ID: <E6adnVxUi4aOTMDfRVn-tQ@igs.net>   Mitch Wagner wrote:h7 > On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 03:29:26 +0200, Paul Sture wrote:s >p >>8 >> You can of course grab yourself a free VMS account on >> >> openvms-rocks.com >> >> orl >> >> www.decuserve.org >>C >> Telnet in for the first login once you have requested an accountoE >> (done easily and available within a minute or so); thereafter, sshs >> is available. >>G >> Plenty of experienced help available in both places, using the NOTESrG >> conferences (tpye "notes" at the command prompt, then "help" to findA >> your way around). >  >a	 > Thanks.I >nC > I'll definitely let my wife know -- she's a VMS advocate from way G > back; she worked at Digital. I have overheard her muttering about VMS  > when struggling with Windows.r    L Then you should know that there are plenty of people in comp.os.vms who'd beL happy to help you write an article about VMS that doesn't begin with "LegacyK operating system OpenVMS", but rather begins with something along the linespE of, "More than 50% of the world's financial transactions flow throughsH OpenVMS systems on a daily basis and we spoke with a number of financialE institutions to why they continue to bet their lifeblood on OpenVMS".o  C Then of course there's the use by the NSA, and other multi-lettered F agencies, but if we told you about them......ever hear of Jimmy Hoffa?   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 23:06:06 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Surveyh3 Message-ID: <R7vu3oXHOMsi@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  U In article <14vkex1y5e7k6$.dlg@wagmail.com>, Mitch Wagner <mitch@wagmail.com> writes:e  K > I'm inclined to vote with the majority -- or the majority before YOU GUYSiH > CAME IN AND MESSED THINGS UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- that the skills of the > sysadmin are matters most. r  , Nobody can make a silk purse of a sow's ear.  L The default security of an operating system is crucial because of the amountG of time most companies are (not) willing to put into security.  This iseE not the choice of an individual system manager -- it is the choice of  her manager.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:08:08 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: Race for dual core 8086s B Message-ID: <1113422874.39dd7e71ac096ac1f8d28d4ba5dbbbbe@teranews>   Bob Lail wrote: N > Intel will ship early production samples in late summer or early Q4, we needH > something to test the upgraded Integrity systems out with, but you areN > correct to assume no systems using Montecito will ship to customers in until
 > early 2006.a   You're missing the point.L  H Intel knows its IA64 is late, behind Power and Sparc in features such asI duel core. But it is no big deal and IA64 just proceeeds at its own pace.t    D Intel knows that AMD is offering serious competition to its 8086 andC intel is agressively responding to this competition. Serious enoughmE competition that Intel had to reneg on its policy not to produce a 64lD bit 8086. And it is serious enough competition that Intel sees to be. very important to relased features before AMD.  G So, no matter how Intel may be artificially trying to restrict the 8086fH market to give some room for its fledgling IA64, AMD will force Intel toA make the 8086 compete against the IA64, and IA64 won't be able toe compete against the 8086.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:35:54 -0400-' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> % Subject: Re: Race for dual core 8086sp0 Message-ID: <115re4qnnq1c82d@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:M > Bob Lail wrote:D > N >>Intel will ship early production samples in late summer or early Q4, we needH >>something to test the upgraded Integrity systems out with, but you areN >>correct to assume no systems using Montecito will ship to customers in until
 >>early 2006.e >  >  > You're missing the point.l > J > Intel knows its IA64 is late, behind Power and Sparc in features such asK > duel core. But it is no big deal and IA64 just proceeeds at its own pace.h >  > F > Intel knows that AMD is offering serious competition to its 8086 andE > intel is agressively responding to this competition. Serious enough G > competition that Intel had to reneg on its policy not to produce a 64pF > bit 8086. And it is serious enough competition that Intel sees to be0 > very important to relased features before AMD.  I The first Intel dual core chip is, if my understanding is correct, not a nI server chip, and doesn't have much to tie the two cores together, except oI silicon.  It's definitely a kneejerk reaction to appear to be first with i a dual core chip.c  F The concern is justified, because this shows that Intel will get more A than a bit reactive when their x86 domination is threatened.  In c# comparison, they just ignore Power.n  I > So, no matter how Intel may be artificially trying to restrict the 8086eJ > market to give some room for its fledgling IA64, AMD will force Intel toC > make the 8086 compete against the IA64, and IA64 won't be able tot > compete against the 8086.n  D I think that the concept of restriction is dead.  They appear to be G pushing very hard since the U-turn.  This is a problem for the itanic. 60 Just as predicted by those not wearing blinders.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 03:47:39 +0200r& From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>? Subject: Re: ridiculous GBLPAGES Autogen values under VMS 7.2-2o, Message-ID: <3c60djF6jonlgU1@individual.net>   Beach Runner wrote:g   > `  >  > Charlie Hammond wrote: > G >> In article <1113338640.689275.276760@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,  & >> chessmaster1010@hotmail.com writes: >>E >>> When I have upgraded an Alpha from VMS 7.2-1 to VMS 7.2-2 AUTOGENnH >>> insists on setting GBLPAGES to ridiculously high values, higher than  >>> the amount of system memory. >>>tE >>> The following is from AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT on an AS4100 with systemo% >>> memory of 2GB (4194304 pagelets).i >>>j# >>> GBLPAGES parameter information:n8 >>> - AUTOGEN parameter calculation has been overridden.I >>> The calculated value was 50397698. The value 50452146 will be used in / >>> accordance with the following requirements:n) >>> GBLPAGES has been increased by 54448.y% >>> GBLPAGES minimum value is 150000.h >> >> >>( >> Please post a copy of your MODPARAMS. >>G > It's not necessary.  Open VMS significantly calculates gblpages much I5 > higher. They are just pointers. It's not a problem.v  E Agreed that they are just pointers, but 50 million of them does seem r
 excessive.  F But for the original poster: Are you using Oracle with large SGAs? It C may be that these are assigned to permanent global pages using the IF SYSMAN RESERVE command. See the help within SYSMAN on RESERVED_MEMORY  for further pointers.u   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:35:32 +0000 (UTC)tP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)) Subject: shared system files in a cluster $ Message-ID: <d3k6rk$an7$1@online.de>  H For a couple of years now, I've had logicals such as SYSUAF pointing to E files on a non-system disk, shared by all nodes in the cluster.  I'm rE updating some stuff now and noticed that there are several different o5 cases (the cluster has grown very, mmm, organically):i  H    o  (old) file exists in its default location (see list below) on all D       nodes and on the common disk (SYSUAF, RIGHTSLIST, LMF$LICENSE,:       VMS$OBJECTS, VMS$AUDIT_SERVER, VMS$PASSWORD_HISTORY,       VMS$PASSWORD_DICTIONARY)  H    o  (old) file exists in its default location (see list below) on someC       node(s) and on the common disk (VMSMAIL_PROFILE, queue files)O  D    o  old file exists on no node in its default location but on the        common disk (NETOBJECT)e  @    o  old file exists on some node(s) but not on the common disk       (LAN$NODE_DATABASE)   H    o  file exists on no node in its default location and also not on the;       common disk (SYSUAFALT, SYSALF, NETPROXY, NET$PROXY,  ;       NETNODE_REMOTE, NETNODE_UPDATE, VMS$PASSWORD_POLICY, S       VMS$CLASS_SCHEDULE)u  * Note that I don't have the following case:  F    o  file exists on all nodes in its default location but not on the        common diskA  F I understand most of this.  For example, I'm not (yet) running DECnet,D so the corresponding files don't exist.  In some cases, I might have< defined the logical before the corresponding file was neededG (presumably, it is then created when needed if it doesn't exist); this  H explains why there are not old queue files on all nodes and (presumably) VMSMAIL_PROFILE.  E I'm a bit curious about NETOBJECT, especially since I don't have any  E other NET* files (which presumably have to do with DECnet).  What is cH NETOBJECT used for?  For that matter, although I know what most of them E do, it would be nice to have a one-sentence description of what each .3 file is used for (see list below).  Any volunteers?a  I As far as I can tell, there is nothing which is not functioning properly eH as a result of missing files etc, but still I would like to make things I more uniform and understand exactly what is going on.  For example, what 3H does LAN$NODE_DATABASE database do?  This is the only file which exists I in its default location on a node, but not on the common disk.  Could it i@ be related to a former satellite on that node (I don't have any  satellites now)?  E Also curious is VMS$PASSWORD_POLICY.EXE (though I don't actually haveeG such a file).  Presumably, it is an executable file and should exist in @ a VAX and ALPHA version (with the logicals defined appropriatelyF according to the hardware type).  However, what is the point in having5 an executable file in this list (which was taken fromeH SYLOGICALS.TEMPLATE)?  The idea behind these files is that they contain H information which a) can be the same on all members of a cluster and b) F is not the same on all VMS systems in the world.  An executable would B seem to fulfill a) but not b) (and hence should be in SYS$SYSTEM).  H Which, if any, of these files are needed in their default locations (or I at least on the system disk) when the system isn't part of a cluster and aH doesn't have access to any non-system disks (such as during an upgrade) G so that more or less normal functionality within these restrictions is eF present (it's enough to be able to log in as SYSTEM from the console).  I ---------8<--------------------------------------------------------------    SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DATo SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAFALT.DAT SYS$SYSTEM:SYSALF.DAT- SYS$SYSTEM:RIGHTSLIST.DAT0 SYS$SYSTEM:NETPROXY.DAT  SYS$SYSTEM:NET$PROXY.DAT SYS$SYSTEM:NETOBJECT.DAT SYS$SYSTEM:NETNODE_REMOTE.DATD SYS$SYSTEM:LMF$LICENSE.LDB SYS$SYSTEM:VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATAn SYS$SYSTEM:VMS$OBJECTS.DAT  SYS$MANAGER:VMS$AUDIT_SERVER.DAT$ SYS$SYSTEM:VMS$PASSWORD_HISTORY.DATA( SYS$LIBRARY:VMS$PASSWORD_DICTIONARY.DATA SYS$MANAGER:NETNODE_UPDATE.COM# SYS$LIBRARY:VMS$PASSWORD_POLICY.EXE   SYS$SYSTEM:LAN$NODE_DATABASE.DAT" SYS$SYSTEM:VMS$CLASS_SCHEDULE.DATA   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:17:31 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>iA Subject: Re: Trivia challenge (Was: Multiprocessor Microvax II ?) 2 Message-ID: <425D704B.3040406@applied-synergy.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:e  ` > In article <3c0u7lF6hhicdU1@individual.net>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes: > :Hoff Hoffman wrote: > :a+ > :>   ... I'll leave the identification ofeM > :>   the two models of the SMP-capable and Q-bus-capable family as a trivia-M > :>   question.  There was a second and very rare BI-based VAXstation, but I-J > :>   don't know if anyone ever configured and ran it as a dual.  Another > :>   trivia question...r > :IC > :Well, there were the various 3520 and 3540 models. (VAXstation, u > :MicroVAX, VAXserver)v > D >   VAXstation 3520 and VAXstation 3540.  There were no MicroVAX norC >   VAXserver variants of the platform released as products, AFAIK.0 > ; >   The codes from VAXDEF are VAX$K_V3520 and VAX$K_V3540. f  C They may not have been released, but sometimes unreleased products   "happen" out in the field.  I I've seen various VAXstations with bad or missing video cards come up as t@ VAXservers or "Unknown VAXstation".  All sorts of "interesting"  licensing issues follow.  K > :VMS also references 3560, 3580, and 35A0 models.  Were these ever built?e > F >   CVAX workstation configurations beyond four processors were never I >   available products, nor were workstation configurations with a faster G >   VAX processer.  I am aware of various codes that were reserved, but F >   there are any number of these reservations that were either never G >   announced, or were never built, or were reserved for other reasons.b > 1 > :I believe the BI box was the VAXstation 8250L.R > E >   You would be incorrect in the product name, though you're clearlyrF >   looking at the product codes -- the codes do not necessarily match >   the product names.    F Sorry, yes I was looking at the product codes.  I think the marketing I name was "VAXstation 8000".  Didn't this box have a special E&S graphics   head?i   --  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------i$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:45:30 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)tA Subject: Re: Trivia challenge (Was: Multiprocessor Microvax II ?)t2 Message-ID: <uFe7e.3768$Q_2.2305@news.cpqcorp.net>  d In article <425D704B.3040406@applied-synergy.com>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes: :Hoff Hoffman wrote: : a :> In article <3c0u7lF6hhicdU1@individual.net>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:3 :> :Hoff Hoffman wrote:. :> :, :> :>   ... I'll leave the identification ofN :> :>   the two models of the SMP-capable and Q-bus-capable family as a triviaN :> :>   question.  There was a second and very rare BI-based VAXstation, but IK :> :>   don't know if anyone ever configured and ran it as a dual.  Another  :> :>   trivia question... :> :D :> :Well, there were the various 3520 and 3540 models. (VAXstation,  :> :MicroVAX, VAXserver) :> uE :>   VAXstation 3520 and VAXstation 3540.  There were no MicroVAX normD :>   VAXserver variants of the platform released as products, AFAIK. :> s< :>   The codes from VAXDEF are VAX$K_V3520 and VAX$K_V3540.  :aD :They may not have been released, but sometimes unreleased products  :"happen" out in the field.f  E   Depending on licensing and configurations, yes, you can see some of C   these model codes appear in the wild -- that's one of the several 5   reasons why the system model codes were reserved.     F   But in terms of actual announced and shipping products, I know of noH   SMP MicroVAX or (low-end) VAXserver products.  You can see the variousI   SMP products and packages offered within the AlphaStation and Integrity@J   product lines, of course -- the current hardware incarnation of XDELTA::I   is an Alpha SMP workstation box, though it's definitely not an official )   nor shipping product configuration. :-)c  2 :> :I believe the BI box was the VAXstation 8250L. :> eF :>   You would be incorrect in the product name, though you're clearlyG :>   looking at the product codes -- the codes do not necessarily matchw :>   the product names.  h :rG :Sorry, yes I was looking at the product codes.  I think the marketing oJ :name was "VAXstation 8000".  Didn't this box have a special E&S graphics  :head?  &   Give that poster a kewpie doll.  :-)    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqoN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comd   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 15:23:24 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com04 Subject: Re: Unix - VMS compatible encryption methodB Message-ID: <1113431004.805905.67520@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  C also, use -a (ascii armor) when encrypting if any problems with gpgu  deencryption are encountered ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 04:15:10 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>) Subject: Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharingr, Message-ID: <3c6216F6jrkb4U1@individual.net>   Jeffrey H. Coffield wrote:   > Greetings, > H > Does anyone have any experience on connecting a OpenVMS Alpha running I > OpenVMS 7.3-2 / TCPIP 5.4 to a Mac running the latest OS X? Samba 2.2 8lI > acts very strange with InDesign so I am thinking about NFS. Either sides > can be the NFS server. > B I'm not entirely sure what you want here, but last year I spent a F considerable amount of time trying to get OS X to see an NFS share on H VMS using TCPIP 5.4. I could get there from the CLI on OS X, but no way H could I figure out how to access it from Finder. I could see the folder K listed, but always got a "permission denied" message if I tried opening it.e  ? See http://tinyurl.com/5kaee for my discussion here about that.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:38:26 GMTI3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)mK Subject: Re: [PCSI] PACKAGE vs COPY, was How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMh2 Message-ID: <CGd7e.3742$HO2.3484@news.cpqcorp.net>  - In article <425d70e9$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>, n6 peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) asks:  G >What is the practical difference of PACKAGE versus COPY ref to seq ....   This is what comes to mind...t  E PRODUCT PACKAGE "validates" the kit -- i.e. it makes certain that alluC the files needed based on the Product Description File are present.a  K PRODUCT PACKAGE converts the Product Text file (PTF) from its source formato4 to its kit format (which is a type of text library).  G PRODUCT PACKAGE looks for files in the location specified by /MATERIAL;lG thes need NOT be the same sort of directory hierachy that is present in  the kit and installed product.  @ PRODUCT PACKAGE can create a REFERENCE or SEQUENTIAL format kit.  E It is often possible to package a reference format kit, but there areh some cases where it won't work.t  H PRODUCT COPY makes a copy of a packaged kit; it will fail in the case ofB missing files; it will not convert the text PTF to library format.  C PRODUCT COPY can convert REFRENCE format <-> SEQUENTIAL format, andw( SEQUENTIAL format <-> COMPRESSED format.  * >...and which method is used at HPQ more ?  < We use PRODUCT PACKAGE to pacakge the "engineering results".> We use PRODUCT COPY to convert SEQUENTIAL to REFERENCE format.E We use either PRODUCT COPY or just the DCL COPY to copy sequential or$* compressed format kits to other locations.  , In the case of the OpenVMS operating system:     ?     - We use PRODUCT PACKAGE /NOCOPY to convert the Result Disks,       (engineering results) into a PCSI kit.D     - We use PTODUCT INSTALL to install VMS on the "disk" that later        becomes the kit CD or DVD.D     - We then mung the system paramters file so that when the kit isE       booted, it runs the installation/upgrade procedures rather than)       the normal STARTUP.COM.o     E     Note that when you boot the OpenVMS CD/DVD the files used to bootmK     are the same files that are the reference format kit which is installed      to your target disk.  E Sorry if this is mare than you asked for -- as you can see, there aren) ofter multiple ways to do the same thing.c   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:41:05 GMTa3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) K Subject: Re: [PCSI] PACKAGE vs COPY, was How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMc2 Message-ID: <5Jd7e.3744$HO2.1263@news.cpqcorp.net>  9 The PCSI lead developer, Jim Krycka, provided this input.w& I am posting it with Jim's permission.      J     PCSI support for compressed kits was implemented for OpenVMS 7.3-2 andK     backported to V7.2-2 through V7.3-1 via PCSI remedial kits for OpenVMS.$H     Use PRODUCT SHOW UTILITY to see the PCSI internal version number.  AK     version of V7.3-300 or greater will have the compression functionality.e     L     Using V7.3-300 or later you can compress any existing sequential (.PCSI)H     kit and install it.  It does not matter what version of PCSI createdK     the sequential kit.  Compressed kits are decompressed on-the-fly during.J     installation, so you do not need to explicitly decompress a compressedI     kit using PRODUCT COPY before installing it.  If you should have bothoJ     .PCSI and .PCSI$COMPRESSED versions of the same kit in the same sourceH     directory, PCSI will use the compressed version by default as input.     J     Your suggestion to include examples of command line syntax required toJ     convert a sequential kit into a compressed kit and vice versa is good.I     I've put this request on my list for future documentation and on-line 	     help.S     H     If you take a .PCSI kit, compress it, then decompress it back to itsK     .PCSI form, the before and after .PCSI kits are functionally identical. D     If you use the same version of the PCSI utility to perform theseG     operations, the two files should be identical (e.g., as reported byrJ     $DIFFERENCES).  However, it you start with a sequential kit created byI     a version of PCSI that is different from the one used to compress andbE     decompress it, then there will be a slight difference in the kitskK     because the PCSI utility writes its internal version number in the kit.cJ     This is strickly cosmetic.  Actually, I'm thinking about changing thisH     behavior to preserve the version of PCSI that originally created theE     kit which is more interesting than the version that converted it.      A     The reason /LOG produces different output on compression thansI     decompression (i.e, the PCSI-I-PKGFIL informationals) is that PRODUCTrI     COPY actually piggybacks on the packaging code (from PRODUCT PACKAGE)eE     for most conversions.  The exception is the compression operationeH     which was newly written for V7.3-2 to bypass the packaging phase andC     just do the compression of the .PCSI file.  However, when usingiI     PRODUCT COPY to convert a .PCSI$COMPRESSED file back to a .PCSI file,t*     the old "package" logic is still used.     %     Finally, to answer your question:      G     > PS: Is there a way to avoid the question "Do you want to continueoH     > [YES]" if in interactive mode ? I so far found no *NO_ASK* logical     > or /NOCONFIRM qual...u          Yes, there are two ways.     >     1.  Starting with PCSI for OpenVMS V7.3-2, you can use theL         /OPTIONS=NOCONFIRM qualifier to suppress the question.  For example:     4         $ PRODUCT INSTALL FORTRAN /OPTIONS=NOCONFIRM     F     2.  Using any version of PCSI, back to the original PCSI for V6.1,B         the question will be omitted if you explicitly specify theM         product name (i.e., no wildcards) and the following three qualifiers:s4         /PRODUCER, /BASE_SYSTEM, and /VERSION as in:     I         $ PRODUCT INSTALL FORTRAN /PRODUCER=DEC /BASE=AXPVMS /VERSION=7.1c      --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:28:02 GMTg# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) K Subject: Re: [PCSI] PACKAGE vs COPY, was How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMo2 Message-ID: <6pe7e.3760$Q_2.3257@news.cpqcorp.net>  h In article <i5e7e.3755$HO2.2128@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:  D :The tool to create self-extracting DCX archives has not been ported :to OpenVMS I64...  I   The tool used is FTSV, and it is available on the Freeware V7.0 distro.L  F   The FTSV tool uses knowledge of the VAX and Alpha image headers, andC   this use precludes the direct translation of the image for use oneF   OpenVMS I64 -- and the changes made to the image headers for OpenVMSG   I64 also means that a straight source code port isn't a trivial task.S    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqoN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.207 ************************