1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 14 Apr 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 208       Contents: Re: Changing node IP address: changing node name: RENAME/IDENTIFIER SYS$NODE_oldnodename> Re: changing node name: RENAME/IDENTIFIER SYS$NODE_oldnodename> Re: changing node name: RENAME/IDENTIFIER SYS$NODE_oldnodename4 Converting SQL services config files from 7.0 to 7.1 FA: VMS SW kits. Re: FA: VMS SW kits.( Flash Card reader with VMS Now available$ HP sells dual-core dual cpu Opterons$ New Affiliate program 80% Commission Re: OpenVMS FAQ Errata$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ RE: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ RE: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey6 Re: ridiculous GBLPAGES Autogen values under VMS 7.2-26 Re: ridiculous GBLPAGES Autogen values under VMS 7.2-2) Socket locking due to overflowing buffer? P Third party IDE PCI-controller & OVMS V7.3-2 & DVD recording =>         success!+ Re: Unix - VMS compatible encryption method P Re: VMS FAQ: changing volume label of system disk: DECnet MOP or LANCP boot dataP Re: VMS FAQ: changing volume label of system disk: DECnet MOP or LANCP boot dataP Re: VMS FAQ: changing volume label of system disk: DECnet MOP or LANCP boot dataP Re: VMS FAQ: changing volume label of system disk: DECnet MOP or LANCP boot dataP Re: VMS FAQ: changing volume label of system disk: DECnet MOP or LANCP boot data  Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharing  Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharing  Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharing  Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharing  Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharing  Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharing7 [OpenVMS] What do you expect from DIR/SIZ=(ALLO,USED) ? B Re: [PCSI] PACKAGE vs COPY, was How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COM  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:06:53 -0400 $ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>% Subject: Re: Changing node IP address , Message-ID: <d3lpth$9qj$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>   Hi Patrick,   D "Grealy, Patrick J" <Patrick.J.Grealy@uth.tmc.edu> wrote in message K news:F567BEA12C734C4FA3DC39691BB73869011FB4D6@UTHEVS3.mail.uthouston.edu...  >Hi, [snip]1 >I am especially concerned about Advanced Server.  [snip]  K Check for the existence of the logical name pwrk$knbdaemon_ipaddr (may not  ) exist if you have a single IP interface).   G Also, if you use an entry for the server in the lmhosts. file on other  $ systems, you'll have to update them.  K A sanity check after you've changed the address (and restarted TCPIP), but    before starting Advanced Server:    $ show logical tcpip$inet*   M build a FQDN using the values of tcpip$inet_host and tcpip$inet_domain, then   do:     $ tcpip show host <FQDN>   2 and ensure the output reflects the new IP address.  M If the server is configured as a WINS client, you may want to verify the new  5 address gets registered after Advanced Server starts.   J Other than that, if Advanced Server fails to start (or more precisely, if H the pwrk$knbdaemon process shuts down immediately after startup), check M pwrk$logs:pwrk$knbdaemon_<nodename>.log for errors.   If you see some t_bind  0 error, try restarting the tcpip$pwipacp process:  ) $ @sys$startup:tcpip$pwip_driver_shutdown ( $ @sys$startup:tcpip$pwip_driver_startup  
 Good luck,   Paul     ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 06:31:27 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)C Subject: changing node name: RENAME/IDENTIFIER SYS$NODE_oldnodename $ Message-ID: <d3l2nv$3nm$1@online.de>  G I'm currently carefully planning how to change the node name.  The FAQ  E is a starting point, but it doesn't cover everything, at least in my  F case.  I'll post a summary here later today, and again after I change  the node name.  H My situation is a bit different than that implicitly assumed in the FAQ.D In my cluster each node has its on system disk.  I want to add a newE node, with its own system disk, and use the system disk of one of the D current nodes as a starting point.  (I want to do this in the future< after upgrades as well.  Separate system roots, created with< CLUSTER_CONFIG*.COM, is not a solution, since a) it doesn't H automatically cover everything so if I have to do some things by hand I I might as well do all things by hand and b) after an upgrade I would have  G to do the copy to update the new stuff in [VMS$COMMON...] anyway, so I  H might as well come up with one algorithm which works either for a fresh H disk or for propagating an upgrade.)  I have SYSUAF etc on a non-system A disk used by all nodes, including the new one.  Presumably, this:   9    o  Use the AUTHORIZE utility command RENAME/IDENTIFIER 3       to rename the SYS$NODE_oldnodename rightslist 4       identifier to match the new node name. (Do not5       change the binary value of this identifier, and $       do not delete the identifier.)  ' Doesn't apply to my situation at all???   C I currently have a SYS$NODE_nodename identifier in the UAF for all  I current nodes in the cluster, and also for a no-longer-used nodename.  I  C have no problems at all that I am aware of which could possibly be   related to this.  D In the case of the system with the changed node name not being in a H cluster and having its own SYSUAF, I can see that the FAQ makes sense.  B On the other hand, in my situation apparently a new identifier is G created for each node in the cluster, whether the VMS instatllation on  I its system disk was done in the traditional way or came from the copy of  / the system disk of another node in the cluster.   I This is the only point about changing the node name which I am unsure of  G at the moment, so I would like to understand what, if anything, I need  G to do.  In my case, can I just forget about this rightslist identifier? F Presumably, a new one will be created in the SYSUAF when the new node F enters the cluster---if not, how do these entries get there?  (In the I past, I have renamed a node once, and set up a new node with the copy of  E the system disk of another node, and never created the identifier by   hand.)   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 06:44:12 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)G Subject: Re: changing node name: RENAME/IDENTIFIER SYS$NODE_oldnodename $ Message-ID: <d3l3fs$4jj$1@online.de>  D In article <d3l2nv$3nm$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de3 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:    $ > I have SYSUAF etc on a non-system C > disk used by all nodes, including the new one.  Presumably, this:  > ; >    o  Use the AUTHORIZE utility command RENAME/IDENTIFIER 5 >       to rename the SYS$NODE_oldnodename rightslist 6 >       identifier to match the new node name. (Do not7 >       change the binary value of this identifier, and & >       do not delete the identifier.) > ) > Doesn't apply to my situation at all???  > E > I currently have a SYS$NODE_nodename identifier in the UAF for all  K > current nodes in the cluster, and also for a no-longer-used nodename.  I  E > have no problems at all that I am aware of which could possibly be   > related to this.  ; What is the SYS$NODE_nodename identifier actually used for?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 04:45:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> G Subject: Re: changing node name: RENAME/IDENTIFIER SYS$NODE_oldnodename B Message-ID: <1113468335.da1869873525bbf8db6e017f5b8a9a14@teranews>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: H > I'm currently carefully planning how to change the node name.  The FAQF > is a starting point, but it doesn't cover everything, at least in myG > case.  I'll post a summary here later today, and again after I change  > the node name. >   1 You might wish to submit a bach job that does a :   2 $SEARCH disk:[000000...]*.*/window=0 <oldnodename>  H It might reveal files that still contain the old node name and which you had not thought about.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2005 23:22:59 -0700+ From: "aniranshu" <anirban.maiti@gmail.com> = Subject: Converting SQL services config files from 7.0 to 7.1 C Message-ID: <1113459778.984226.242160@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   + I get the following error while conversion:    Converting configuration file:) $1$DGA20:[USER]SQLSRV_CONFIG_FILE70.DAT;1                 to script file:) $1$DGA20:[USER]MY_CONFIG_SCRIPT_FILE.SQS;   9 %SQLSRV-E-INVCONFIGREC, Invalid record at line #1 in file  $1$DGA20:[USER]S QLSRV_CONFIG_FILE70.DAT;1  %SQLSRV-E-CONFIGTEXT, Text:   9 %SQLSRV-E-INVCONFIGREC, Invalid record at line #2 in file  $1$DGA20:[USER]S QLSRV_CONFIG_FILE70.DAT;1  %SQLSRV-E-CONFIGTEXT, Text:   9 %SQLSRV-E-INVCONFIGREC, Invalid record at line #3 in file  $1$DGA20:[USER]S QLSRV_CONFIG_FILE70.DAT;1  %SQLSRV-E-CONFIGTEXT, Text:   9 %SQLSRV-E-INVCONFIGREC, Invalid record at line #4 in file  $1$DGA20:[USER]S QLSRV_CONFIG_FILE70.DAT;1  %SQLSRV-E-CONFIGTEXT, Text: 4 SQLSRV_70000SYS$MANAGER:SYS$MANAGER:SYS$SYSTEM:ddddd ddp ; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual  address=00000001000D& 0047, PC=0000000000060720, PS=0000001B  2   Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.1     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005 1                         Name   = 000000000000000C 1                                  0000000000000000 1                                  00000001000D0047 1                                  0000000000060720 1                                  000000000000001B        Register dump:9     R0  = 00000001000D000F  R1  = 0000000000000001  R2  =  00000000000103109     R3  = 000000007C05CD1C  R4  = 00000000000D0748  R5  =  00000000000D00109     R6  = 00000000000401F8  R7  = 0000000003A78001  R8  =  0000000000044F809     R9  = 0000000003A78001  R10 = 0000000003A7D792  R11 =  000000007FFCDBE09     R12 = 0000000000000000  R13 = 000000007AF167D0  R14 =  00000000000000009     R15 = 000000007AF15E10  R16 = 00000000000D0048  R17 =  00000000000000009     R18 = 0000000000000092  R19 = 00000000000000D2  R20 =  00000000000000039     R21 = 00000000000D0247  R22 = 0000000000000000  R23 =  00000000007AE0B49     R24 = 000000000027A0C8  R25 = 0000000000000001  R26 =  FFFFFFFF809A88E89     R27 = 000000007C03A700  R28 = 000000000000000F  R29 =  000000007AE078A09     SP  = 000000007AE078A0  PC  = 0000000000060720  PS  =  200000000000001B  > My Sql services 7 runs perfectly with this configuration file.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:51:45 +0200 , From: "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <dummy@dummy.com> Subject: FA: VMS SW kits. 8 Message-ID: <d3loni$mre$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>  ( OpenVMS Alpha SW prod library March 1998& OpenVMS VAX SW prod library March 19983 OpenVMS VAX Online Documentation Library March 1998 5 OpenVMS Alpha Software Product Library September 1998 4 OpenVMS Alpha Online Documentation Library June 1997   Other kits added later...   ! See seller "st-a-d-03" in eBay...    Regards.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2005 13:38:40 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: FA: VMS SW kits. , Message-ID: <3c7a30F6mpet0U4@individual.net>  8 In article <d3loni$mre$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>,/ 	"Jan-Erik Sderholm" <dummy@dummy.com> writes: * > OpenVMS Alpha SW prod library March 1998( > OpenVMS VAX SW prod library March 19985 > OpenVMS VAX Online Documentation Library March 1998 7 > OpenVMS Alpha Software Product Library September 1998 6 > OpenVMS Alpha Online Documentation Library June 1997 >  > Other kits added later...  > # > See seller "st-a-d-03" in eBay...  >   @ Gee, I never thought of this.  I have a couple xerox paper boxesB full of distributions.  Maybe retirement is closer than I thought.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:04:45 -0400 ? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> 1 Subject: Flash Card reader with VMS Now available : Message-ID: <6Cv7e.78467$wo1.60529@bignews6.bellsouth.net>  @ Well, we just backed up and loaded VMS from an Combo card reader  , We will be selling this solution as follows:   Only for VMS 7.2-1 and above    + Combo card reader (fits in the floppy slot)    With SD Card 1GB $299  With Compact Flash 1GB $349  With Compact Flash 4GB $689  With Compact Flash 8GB $1895   Shipping May 05    David      --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Skype ID: islandco Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. 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 		     GO TO     	  http://www.MobileForLife.com     	           For More Information   		    ======      # 	Why are webmasters and affiliates  4                 raving about this Affiliate Program?       	 It is 100% free to join.    !   	 We share 80% of our Revenue.  	 (   	 We convert 70% more sales than any     	  competing website.   ,  	 Recruit your own downline of affiliates %     	  and earn override commissions.  		           		     GO TO    	  http://www.MobileForLife.com     	           For More Information     --- ( MAF Anti-Spam ID: 20050208161102I8p7YcM6   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:11:06 +0200 - From: Alex van Denzel <vandenzel@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS FAQ Errata 7 Message-ID: <425e097a$0$57943$dbd45001@news.wanadoo.nl>    John Smith wrote:    > Alex van Denzel wrote: > J > > I took them down a few years ago already and didn't put much effort in > > new VAX pages yet. > , > Consider 'donating' them to openvms.org???  6 Uhm. I took the *pages* down. Not the VAXen of course.   -- Alex.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 04:15:06 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey 0 Message-ID: <115s91rmm1l604f@corp.supernews.com>   Mitch Wagner wrote: * > On 13 Apr 2005 09:43:36 GMT, Doc. wrote: >  > K >>%NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Didier MORANDI wrote in news:425c355a$1_3@news.bluewin.ch  >> >>4 >>>(I added 4 votes with ie/NS/Opera and Firefox :-) >> >>Vote early.   Vote often. :-)  >  >  > ' > Ooooo, you guys are SOOOOOOOO busted.  >    Ok, I'll confess to curosity.   H If you're not too familiar with VMS, then what was the occasion for you E to read some of these posts on c.o.v concerning your popularity poll?    Dave   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2005 07:25:24 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey 3 Message-ID: <t7SWVFKXfCD3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <1113411386.2b859b6a4c515d0faedc30d7329f2fc6@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:G > You know, the fact that VMS is included in the survey is pretty good.  > 4 > It could have been lumped along with "mainframes".      Explain that to my VLC.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2005 13:30:12 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey , Message-ID: <3c79j3F6mpet0U1@individual.net>  , In article <E6adnVxUi4aOTMDfRVn-tQ@igs.net>,& 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > N > Then you should know that there are plenty of people in comp.os.vms who'd beN > happy to help you write an article about VMS that doesn't begin with "LegacyM > operating system OpenVMS", but rather begins with something along the lines G > of, "More than 50% of the world's financial transactions flow through # > OpenVMS systems on a daily basis    A I would sure like to see the proof of this.  Not meaning to knock = VMS, but I doubt that still hold that much sway in any of the > industries they once controlled.  This smacks of the perpetual 411,000 VMS systems.  K >                                   and we spoke with a number of financial G > institutions to why they continue to bet their lifeblood on OpenVMS".   A We could start with a list of these institutions (and evidence to / support the claim beyond historical anecdotes.)    > E > Then of course there's the use by the NSA, and other multi-lettered H > agencies, but if we told you about them......ever hear of Jimmy Hoffa?  A Actually, NSA does Linux.  I would be very surprised if there was A anything beyond a few legacy (there's that word again) systems at C NSA running VMS.  DOD is rapidly moving to Linux (even to the point C of ceasing to train Solaris at all.)  I expect that most .gov sites A that are not running Windows are in fact, running Linux.  While I ? used to work on machines running VMS in the bowels of the funny A shaped building in VA, they were VAXen and I seriously doubt they  are still there.    bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2005 13:33:29 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey , Message-ID: <3c79p9F6mpet0U2@individual.net>  7 In article <Xns96386645C263Adcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>, ' 	"Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com> writes:  > J > No... Just demonstrating that security through obscurity doesn't work.  L > If the poll uses a cookie as a token to indicate that someone has already E > voted it's trivial to defeat.  As it is, I think the readership of  G > comp.os.vms and the associated info-vax mailing list is such that we  C > didn't need to resort to being that underhanded to skew the poll.  > I > Anyway, I see it is now a new poll.  Hopefully the results from the OS  9 > poll might prompt you to do an article or two on VMS.     ? What should the article be about?  How VMS is so dead it's most @ rabid fanatics have to resort to ballot box stuffing in order toB skew the results of a stupid web poll in order to try and convince people it isn't?   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:43:50 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> - Subject: RE: Operating System Security Survey R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB595AE5@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----2 > From: Mitch Wagner [mailto:mitch@wagmail.com]=20 > Sent: April 13, 2005 8:35 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com / > Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey  >=208 > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:27:47 -0400, Dave Froble wrote: >=20 > > Mitch Wagner wrote: - > >> On 13 Apr 2005 09:43:36 GMT, Doc. wrote:  > >>=20  > >>=20 / > >>>%NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Didier MORANDI wrote in=20 # > news:425c355a$1_3@news.bluewin.ch  > >>>  > >>> 7 > >>>>(I added 4 votes with ie/NS/Opera and Firefox :-)  > >>> " > >>>Vote early.   Vote often. :-) > >>=20  > >>=20  > >>=20 * > >> Ooooo, you guys are SOOOOOOOO busted. > >>=20  > >=20 > > But, are we correct? >=20I > I'm not sufficiently familiar with VMS to be entitled to an opinion.=20  >=20> > I'm inclined to vote with the majority -- or the majority=20 > before YOU GUYS H > CAME IN AND MESSED THINGS UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- that the skills of the > sysadmin are matters most.=20  >=20 > Mitch Wagner >=20   Mitch,  F While the experience of the Sysadmin is certainly important, as othersC have pointed out, 99% of most sysadmins do not know about OS kernel G security issues until someone tells them about it or they read about in  newsgroups, magazines etc.=20   F So, even the most experienced Windows sysadmin would in all likelihoodA not have been able to stop an attack last week if someone who had 1 exploited the patches MS just released this week.   D And not to just hit Windows, check out the official security patches. released by Red Hat at the following url's.=20  F Key question - how many Linux sysadmin's (even experienced ones) would@ admit that they have all these patches installed on all of theirF systems? (approx 105 security patches released this year so far by Red Hat)=20   6 https://www.redhat.com/archives/enterprise-watch-list/  E Click on thread for each month-(almost all of these are security, not  normal fix bugs)  2 April 2005 (10 security patches so far this month)H https://www.redhat.com/archives/enterprise-watch-list/2005-April/thread. html    March 2005 (30 security patches)H https://www.redhat.com/archives/enterprise-watch-list/2005-March/thread. html  # February 2005 (46 security patches) H https://www.redhat.com/archives/enterprise-watch-list/2005-February/thre ad.html   " January 2005 (19 security patches)H https://www.redhat.com/archives/enterprise-watch-list/2005-January/threa d.html  B For large companies with hundred's of systems (some literally haveD thousands), this would mean full time patching jobs for sysadmins inH terms of tracking, installing, rebooting (and then verifying all apps okD after) etc. Yes, tools can help. However, what about those companiesC that have mission critical environments that demand that patches be E QA'ed and tested before being rolled into production? How should they B respond when the experienced Sysadmin says "I have another pile of2 security patches I need to apply to all systems."?  H Many mission critical environments have trouble justifying down times of$ more than once or twice per year.=20  D These additional costs due to increased labour, application testing,? tracking, business impact caused by excessive security patching H requirements etc is one of the huge hidden costs which are usually swept6 under the table because of the OS religion of the day.  F My point is not to state which is the most secure OS, as all OS's haveG had some issues at different times, but clearly the integrated security H design of the base OS does make a great deal of difference when it comes$ to an overall secure environment.=20     Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:42:52 -0400 6 From: Brad Hamilton <brMadAhaPmiSlton@coMmcAasPt.Snet>- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey 0 Message-ID: <7fudnWOZne_D7sPfRVn-tQ@comcast.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:9 > In article <Xns96386645C263Adcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>, ) > 	"Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com> writes:  <snip>I >>Anyway, I see it is now a new poll.  Hopefully the results from the OS  9 >>poll might prompt you to do an article or two on VMS.    >  > A > What should the article be about?  How VMS is so dead it's most B > rabid fanatics have to resort to ballot box stuffing in order toD > skew the results of a stupid web poll in order to try and convince > people it isn't? >   J Funny how when a lie is repeated often enough, it soon appears to be true.  G Of course, once people begin to believe urban myths, it's awfully hard  < to disabuse them of these notions, incorrect as they may be.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2005 14:16:21 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey , Message-ID: <3c7c9kF6losspU1@individual.net>  R In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB595AE9@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>,* 	"Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes: >  >  >> -----Original Message----- % >> From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu=20 B >> [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon >> Sent: April 14, 2005 9:33 AM  >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 >> Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey >>=20 : >> In article <Xns96386645C263Adcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>,* >> 	"Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com> writes: >> >=20 @ >> > No... Just demonstrating that security through obscurity=20 >> doesn't work. =20= >> > If the poll uses a cookie as a token to indicate that=20  >> someone has already=20 J >> > voted it's trivial to defeat.  As it is, I think the readership of=20? >> > comp.os.vms and the associated info-vax mailing list is=20  >> such that we=20F >> > didn't need to resort to being that underhanded to skew the poll. >> >=20 B >> > Anyway, I see it is now a new poll.  Hopefully the results=20 >> from the OS=20 > >> > poll might prompt you to do an article or two on VMS. =20 >>=20 B >> What should the article be about?  How VMS is so dead it's mostC >> rabid fanatics have to resort to ballot box stuffing in order to E >> skew the results of a stupid web poll in order to try and convince  >> people it isn't?  >>=20  >> bill  >>=20  >  >  > Bill - > @ > Question for you - do you think the absolute majority of thoseI > responding to the poll were doing as you seem to think (ballot stuffing G > without thinking about the question) or were they actually expressing B > what they truly believed i.e. that VMS was a more secure OS than > Windows, Linux, UNIX?   A Who cares.  If I truly believe Bush would make a better president 3 than Kerry does it justify stuffing the ballot box?    > G > While a few might have been overzealous and voted more than once, the 4 > same is likely true for the other OS's as well.=20  E Which is why I have said since the beginning that it was a worthless, D meaningless poll.   And still people wated their time trying to skewG the results, regardless of which direction they wanted that skew to be. C And now we have people saying "Look at the results.  They show that G VMS is worth an article."  Heck, the people who helped skew the results * are already starting to believe them.  :-)   > C > Imho, most respondents answered truthfully - the poll asked their $ > opinion and that is what they got. >   D I see no evidence to support that belief.  And considerable evidenceD just int his group alone to contradict it.  Consider that one personF posted how easy it was to beat the system, I have no reason to believeF that all the VMS votes weren't the results of 5 people voting.  One of@ the first ones to bring it up openly admitted to voting 3 times.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:01:43 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> - Subject: RE: Operating System Security Survey R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB595AE9@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----$ > From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu=20A > [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon  > Sent: April 14, 2005 9:33 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com / > Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey  >=209 > In article <Xns96386645C263Adcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>, ) > 	"Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com> writes:  > >=20? > > No... Just demonstrating that security through obscurity=20  > doesn't work. =20 < > > If the poll uses a cookie as a token to indicate that=20 > someone has already=20I > > voted it's trivial to defeat.  As it is, I think the readership of=20 > > > comp.os.vms and the associated info-vax mailing list is=20 > such that we=20 E > > didn't need to resort to being that underhanded to skew the poll.  > >=20A > > Anyway, I see it is now a new poll.  Hopefully the results=20  > from the OS=20= > > poll might prompt you to do an article or two on VMS. =20  >=20A > What should the article be about?  How VMS is so dead it's most B > rabid fanatics have to resort to ballot box stuffing in order toD > skew the results of a stupid web poll in order to try and convince > people it isn't? >=20 > bill >=20     Bill -  > Question for you - do you think the absolute majority of thoseG responding to the poll were doing as you seem to think (ballot stuffing E without thinking about the question) or were they actually expressing @ what they truly believed i.e. that VMS was a more secure OS than Windows, Linux, UNIX?   E While a few might have been overzealous and voted more than once, the 2 same is likely true for the other OS's as well.=20  A Imho, most respondents answered truthfully - the poll asked their " opinion and that is what they got.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2005 07:33:42 -0700! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com - Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey C Message-ID: <1113489222.452603.307140@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Dear Mitch,    This is Sue Skonetski,  E I work in the OpenVMS Group at HP could you send me email at work you G need to remove 2 of the p's in the hppp susan.skonetski@hppp.com I just B have a couple of questions about the survey.  Like how many peopleE responded.  We are seeing an increased interest in VMS from customers G that care about security, sometimes downtime just is not an option.  We G are also having an OpenVMS Advanced Technical training in June which is = already 70.5% booked which is a great sign that customers are  interested.   C Also I would like to send you a shirt in apreciation for your work.   
 Warm Regards,  Sue      Mitch Wagner wrote: * > On 13 Apr 2005 09:43:36 GMT, Doc. wrote: > + > > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Didier MORANDI wrote in ! news:425c355a$1_3@news.bluewin.ch  > > 6 > >> (I added 4 votes with ie/NS/Opera and Firefox :-) > > ! > > Vote early.   Vote often. :-)  >  > ' > Ooooo, you guys are SOOOOOOOO busted.  >  > -- >  > Mitch Wagner= > Editor, Security Pipeline, http:///www.securitypipeline.com D > Senior Editor, TechWeb Pipelines, http://www.techweb.com/pipelines2 > Wagner's Weblog: http://wagblog.InternetWeek.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:56:29 -0700 & From: Mitch Wagner <mitch@wagmail.com>- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey + Message-ID: <fatp7fhyfv7l$.dlg@wagmail.com>   6 On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 04:15:06 -0400, Dave Froble wrote:   > Mitch Wagner wrote: + >> On 13 Apr 2005 09:43:36 GMT, Doc. wrote:  >>   >>  L >>>%NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Didier MORANDI wrote in news:425c355a$1_3@news.bluewin.ch >>>  >>> 5 >>>>(I added 4 votes with ie/NS/Opera and Firefox :-)s >>>0  >>>Vote early.   Vote often. :-) >> P >> e >> h( >> Ooooo, you guys are SOOOOOOOO busted. >> d >  > Ok, I'll confess to curosity.A > J > If you're not too familiar with VMS, then what was the occasion for you G > to read some of these posts on c.o.v concerning your popularity poll?   F I cover this in this week's edition of the newsletter which <shameless) promotion> you can still sign up for heres  0 http://www.securitypipeline.com/newsletter.jhtml   </shameless promotion>  K The poll has been up two weeks. Last week, VMS was getting 3 percent of thetH vote. This week, allofasudden it's getting more than half (IIRC). And weE got more responses in the second week of the poll than in the first. n  J That told me the poll was being fixed by VMS advocates. This is hardly theE first time this has happened. Or the second. Or the 50th. It's alwayst5 pretty obvious from voting patterns what's going on. t  J So I searched on Google, then Google Groups, for "VMS security" (and maybeG Security Pipeline -- I forgot which exact search strings I used) -- ando oho, here y'all were.2   Mitch Wagner   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:52:29 -0700n& From: Mitch Wagner <mitch@wagmail.com>- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Surveyc+ Message-ID: <13b5qc7dgkrme.dlg@wagmail.com>t  ( On 14 Apr 2005 08:02:58 GMT, Doc. wrote:  J > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Mitch Wagner wrote in news:1w4iygvahwx9f.dlg@wagmail.com > + >> On 13 Apr 2005 09:43:36 GMT, Doc. wrote:e >>  + >>> %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Didier MORANDI wrote inC& >>> news:425c355a$1_3@news.bluewin.ch  >>> 6 >>>> (I added 4 votes with ie/NS/Opera and Firefox :-) >>> ! >>> Vote early.   Vote often. :-)l > ( >> Ooooo, you guys are SOOOOOOOO busted. > J > No... Just demonstrating that security through obscurity doesn't work.  L > If the poll uses a cookie as a token to indicate that someone has already   > voted it's trivial to defeat.     G The poll is not intended to be scientific. Security is by design prettyPJ lightweight. We don't bother to make it tougher; it's not intended to be a rigorous poll. -  J It's the equivalent of a speaker standing in front of a room of people and@ asking for a show of hands. It's intended as launching point for discussion, nothing more.   & > As it is, I think the readership of G > comp.os.vms and the associated info-vax mailing list is such that we eC > didn't need to resort to being that underhanded to skew the poll.h > I > Anyway, I see it is now a new poll.  Hopefully the results from the OS  K > poll might prompt you to do an article or two on VMS.  If you do, let me  K > know so I can pop it on http://www.openvms-rocks.com/  I'm sure it'd get  # > listed on http://openvms.org too.f > = > The Deathrow Cluster managed to get a mention on slashdot, eJ > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/31/1431208&mode=thread&tid=95, I > now we're adding another machine donated by Island and if there was an gJ > article or two that we could use as an excuse to get another mention on 
 > Slashdot...Q  + What angle do you suggest for the article? I   Mitch Wagner   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:01:15 -0700 & From: Mitch Wagner <mitch@wagmail.com>- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Surveyd+ Message-ID: <1unp3aq9nkun8.dlg@wagmail.com>   8 On 14 Apr 2005 07:33:42 -0700, in comp.os.vms you wrote:  
 > Dear Mitch,w >  > This is Sue Skonetski, > G > I work in the OpenVMS Group at HP could you send me email at work youiI > need to remove 2 of the p's in the hppp susan.skonetski@hppp.com I justaD > have a couple of questions about the survey.  Like how many people > responded.  I As of now, we have 2,303 responses. I have no idea how many actual peopleiK this corresponds to; looks like several people in this newsgroup voted moreo! than once. A lot more than once. _    dE > Also I would like to send you a shirt in apreciation for your work.   I Susan, that's sweet of you to offer, but I already have plenty of shirts.  Thanks anyway, though.     Mitch Wagner   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:09:57 -0400h4 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Surveye, Message-ID: <3c7iunF6li6ebU1@individual.net>   Mitch Wagner wrote:i >...C > I'll definitely let my wife know -- she's a VMS advocate from waysG > back; she worked at Digital. I have overheard her muttering about VMSe > when struggling with Windows.e >i > Mitch Wagner  _ You (and your wife) might be interested in a free webinar next week that Parsec is doing on VMS N Security. Details are at http://www.parsec.com/general/promotion.php?p=15L68P.  C (I'm not associated with Parsec and I only voted once in the poll.)O   -- n Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.g Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.cap   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2005 16:43:34 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Surveyt, Message-ID: <3c7ktlF6m0peaU2@individual.net>  + In article <1unp3aq9nkun8.dlg@wagmail.com>,n) 	Mitch Wagner <mitch@wagmail.com> writes: : > On 14 Apr 2005 07:33:42 -0700, in comp.os.vms you wrote: >  >> Dear Mitch, >> i >> This is Sue Skonetski,m >> uH >> I work in the OpenVMS Group at HP could you send me email at work youJ >> need to remove 2 of the p's in the hppp susan.skonetski@hppp.com I justE >> have a couple of questions about the survey.  Like how many peoplep
 >> responded.e > K > As of now, we have 2,303 responses. I have no idea how many actual peopleiM > this corresponds to; looks like several people in this newsgroup voted more # > than once. A lot more than once. p >  >   F >> Also I would like to send you a shirt in apreciation for your work. > K > Susan, that's sweet of you to offer, but I already have plenty of shirts.m > Thanks anyway, though. d  B Well, if he doesn't want it, send it to me.  I would gladly wear a> VMS shirt.  I can even explain what it is if anyone asks.  :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   h   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2005 12:42:00 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)r- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Surveya3 Message-ID: <uxLaerCna6i6@eisner.encompasserve.org>1  W In article <3c7c9kF6losspU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:eT > In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB595AE9@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>,, > 	"Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes:  A >> Question for you - do you think the absolute majority of thoseaJ >> responding to the poll were doing as you seem to think (ballot stuffingH >> without thinking about the question) or were they actually expressingC >> what they truly believed i.e. that VMS was a more secure OS thanA >> Windows, Linux, UNIX? > C > Who cares.  If I truly believe Bush would make a better president 5 > than Kerry does it justify stuffing the ballot box?a  @ But does the fact that you voted twice prove that the end result6 is invalid ?   Only if the difference is two or fewer.  D >> Imho, most respondents answered truthfully - the poll asked their% >> opinion and that is what they got.f >> n > F > I see no evidence to support that belief.  And considerable evidenceF > just int his group alone to contradict it.  Consider that one personH > posted how easy it was to beat the system, I have no reason to believe@ > that all the VMS votes weren't the results of 5 people voting.  8 Thank you for the faith you have expressed in all of us.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:49:21 GMTb# From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com>i? Subject: Re: ridiculous GBLPAGES Autogen values under VMS 7.2-2u: Message-ID: <Rpv7e.44778$Pc.35990@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   Paul Sture wrote:    > Beach Runner wrote:  >  >> ` >> >> Charlie Hammond wrote:a >>H >>> In article <1113338640.689275.276760@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, ' >>> chessmaster1010@hotmail.com writes:  >>> F >>>> When I have upgraded an Alpha from VMS 7.2-1 to VMS 7.2-2 AUTOGENI >>>> insists on setting GBLPAGES to ridiculously high values, higher thanu! >>>> the amount of system memory.- >>>>F >>>> The following is from AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT on an AS4100 with system& >>>> memory of 2GB (4194304 pagelets). >>>>$ >>>> GBLPAGES parameter information:9 >>>> - AUTOGEN parameter calculation has been overridden. J >>>> The calculated value was 50397698. The value 50452146 will be used in0 >>>> accordance with the following requirements:* >>>> GBLPAGES has been increased by 54448.& >>>> GBLPAGES minimum value is 150000. >>>N >>>C >>>a >>>e) >>> Please post a copy of your MODPARAMS.  >>>_H >> It's not necessary.  Open VMS significantly calculates gblpages much 6 >> higher. They are just pointers. It's not a problem. >  > G > Agreed that they are just pointers, but 50 million of them does seem R > excessive. > H > But for the original poster: Are you using Oracle with large SGAs? It E > may be that these are assigned to permanent global pages using the eH > SYSMAN RESERVE command. See the help within SYSMAN on RESERVED_MEMORY  > for further pointers.0  E Engineering hanged the default behavior. There were so many problems s with too few global pages.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:54:50 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> ? Subject: Re: ridiculous GBLPAGES Autogen values under VMS 7.2-2 8 Message-ID: <enw7e.42091$vd.701@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   Paul Sture wrote:  > Beach Runner wrote:  >  >> ` >> >> Charlie Hammond wrote:0 >>H >>> In article <1113338640.689275.276760@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, ' >>> chessmaster1010@hotmail.com writes:  >>>tF >>>> When I have upgraded an Alpha from VMS 7.2-1 to VMS 7.2-2 AUTOGENI >>>> insists on setting GBLPAGES to ridiculously high values, higher than ! >>>> the amount of system memory.0 >>>>F >>>> The following is from AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT on an AS4100 with system& >>>> memory of 2GB (4194304 pagelets). >>>>$ >>>> GBLPAGES parameter information:9 >>>> - AUTOGEN parameter calculation has been overridden.1J >>>> The calculated value was 50397698. The value 50452146 will be used in0 >>>> accordance with the following requirements:* >>>> GBLPAGES has been increased by 54448.& >>>> GBLPAGES minimum value is 150000. >>>0 >>>A >>>  >>>2) >>> Please post a copy of your MODPARAMS.1 >>> H >> It's not necessary.  Open VMS significantly calculates gblpages much 6 >> higher. They are just pointers. It's not a problem. >  > G > Agreed that they are just pointers, but 50 million of them does seem y > excessive. > H > But for the original poster: Are you using Oracle with large SGAs? It E > may be that these are assigned to permanent global pages using the FH > SYSMAN RESERVE command. See the help within SYSMAN on RESERVED_MEMORY  > for further pointers.     H BTW, Colorado has an excellent article on the subject.  It improves VMS  and prevents problems.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2005 06:49:48 -0700( From: "Lawrie" <stroker_ace@hotmail.com>2 Subject: Socket locking due to overflowing buffer?C Message-ID: <1113486588.718806.325200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>-   Hi,e  F I have written an application that uses TCP/IP sockets to send data to
 remote hosts.S  E The program uses the C socket.h select() function to notify me when a3 socket is free for writing.e  D Data is written into a wring buffer. When the socket becomes free to> write data is written to the socket until it can send no more.  B If I really thrash the program as fast as possible I reach a point2 where the socket can no longer send any more data.  C What happens next is odd. Select NEVER returns saying the socket iseE ready to accept a write operation. If I look at the socket instance I  see the following:  G Device_socket: bg6618      Type: STREAM      LOCAL               REMOTE G                               Port:           1204                 2007 D                               Host:     re9                 MATTHOST&                               Service:  B                                                            RECEIVE  SEND B                                    Queued I/O                    0        0B        Q0LEN         0             Socket buffer bytes           0        0B        QLEN          0             Socket buffer quota        4096     4096B        QLIMIT        0             Total buffer alloc            0        0B        TIMEO         0             Total buffer limit        16384    16384B        ERROR         0             Buffer or I/O waits           0        0B        OOBMARK       0             Buffer or I/O drops           0        0B                                    I/O completed                 1       99B                                    Bytes transferred             0     4096     Options:  LINGER!   State:    ISCONNECTED PRIV NBIOk   RCV Buff: None   SND Buff: None  F I suspect that I may be overflowing the socket send buffer and causingC the socket to hang. If I run my program at a slower speedeverythingmA works fine and the send buffer never approaches the buffer limit.t  A Has anyone come across this problem before? If so, how do I guard- against locking up sockets?:   Regards    Lawrie   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:34:43 +0100 C From: Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de>hY Subject: Third party IDE PCI-controller & OVMS V7.3-2 & DVD recording =>         success!p? Message-ID: <00A42466.08A0EE6B.11@CHCLU.CHEMIE.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE>V   Hi,n  S For those people who are allowed/willing to run unsupported hardware configurations: here's some info:   ? There are many Alphas without having an onboard IDE-controller.e  K I've tested successfully a "Advance Peripherals 29134 PCI" under OVMS 7.3-2@ with a Alphastion 500.  E You must add some lines in sys$system:SYS$USER_CONFIG.DAT in order tot% load the sys$dqdriver for the device:Y  $ ! Advance Peripherals ide-controller !i. device       = "IDE drive Advance Peripherals"   name       = DQr   driver     = SYS$DQDRIVERA   adapter    = PCI   id         = 0x06801095n'   boot_flags     = SYS_DEV, HW_CTRL_LTRa   flags          = DISK, BOOTa   units          = 2
 end_device  , The most important task is howto get the id:  8 "show configuration" in console mode gives you this info" (1095 = Vendor, 0680 = Device id).  3 After a reboot the sys$dqdriver is being loaded andr7 the dqa0/dqa1-device could be used in the usual manner:i   $! Put a virtual on a DVDs $ mount/for lda1:  $ dvdwrite/write lda1: dqa0: .. $ mount/for dqa0:  .. $! Verify all blocks   $ dvdwrite/verify lda1: dqa0:  ..  ) If you have further question let me know.    Eberhard   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2005 08:06:32 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>4 Subject: Re: Unix - VMS compatible encryption method7 Message-ID: <Xns963866E0A65D8dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   7 %NEWS-I-NEWMSG,  wrote in news:1113395861.182896.200640e @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.comj   <snip>  E > Thanks for the confirmation on PGP/GPG.  Should be just a matter ofl1 > locating the older PGP kit somewhere out there.:  - I have a version done by Janis Jagars here...y http://vmsbox.cjb.net/pgp/  L This is based on 2.6-3, but with extra ciphers and key lengths extended.  I B did notice a problem with it checking signatures on a keyring but + encryption and decription worked just fine.h     Doc. -- 0G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.eG http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.w   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:20:08 GMT:5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)sY Subject: Re: VMS FAQ: changing volume label of system disk: DECnet MOP or LANCP boot data)L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1404050420050001@user-uinj44j.dialup.mindspring.com>  D In article <d3l32n$3nm$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de1 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:    >The FAQ says: > 3 >   If this is a system disk (for the host or for a 7 >   satellite), also check the DECnet MOP or LANCP bootr; >   database, as well as any references to the disk createdv >   by CLUSTER_CONFIG*.COM.: >:J >I'm not running DECnet.  At the moment, I don't have any satellites, but : >I might in the future, so I want to understand the above. >3G >First, is "DECnet MOP" a misnomer?  Or should it read "DECnet, MOP or  A >LANCP"?  I thought MOP was a "replacement" for DECnet, used for  H >satellite booting on a non-DECnet cluster.  I used to have satellites, 6 >used MOP, never had DECnet installed, and all was OK.  G The MOP network protocol has a number of functions; one is to help boot:E VMS (VAX and Alpha) satellites.  MOP is NOT a replacement for DECnet.d  C MOP server functionality is provided in 3 different VMS components:i 1. DECnet phase IV 2. DECnet-plus 3. LANCP  I DECnet (either one) is a separately licenced and installed product.  (TheoE MOP protocol doesn't particularly have anything to do with DECnet.  I B think DECnet was just a convenient place to put the MOP management
 interface.)     D LANCP is part of the core OS and requires no separate license.  (MOPH doesn't really have anything to do with LANCP either, but again it was a2 convenient place to put the management interface.)  F >However, the above also says that just being a system disk is enough G >reason to check the boot database, i.e. even if there is no satellite  ; >booting from this disk.  Have I understood that correctly?   H The FAQ mentions many things that MIGHT be on a system disk.  Not all ofB them are on every system disk.  You won't find anything in any MOP" database if you've never used MOP.    E >What are the commands to actually check the DECnet MOP or LANCP bootl >database?     LANCP> SHOW NODE  I NCL> SHOW MOP appears to be of interest here, but there may be additionaln	 commands.d   NCP> ... dunno  F >What are the "references to the disk created by CLUSTER_CONFIG*.COM"?   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2005 07:37:05 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Y Subject: Re: VMS FAQ: changing volume label of system disk: DECnet MOP or LANCP boot datat3 Message-ID: <0i+IiJm+LosS@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  w In article <d3l32n$3nm$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:n > The FAQ says:e > 4 >    If this is a system disk (for the host or for a8 >    satellite), also check the DECnet MOP or LANCP boot< >    database, as well as any references to the disk created >    by CLUSTER_CONFIG*.COM. > K > I'm not running DECnet.  At the moment, I don't have any satellites, but l; > I might in the future, so I want to understand the above.  > H > First, is "DECnet MOP" a misnomer?  Or should it read "DECnet, MOP or B > LANCP"?  I thought MOP was a "replacement" for DECnet, used for I > satellite booting on a non-DECnet cluster.  I used to have satellites, s7 > used MOP, never had DECnet installed, and all was OK.t  H    MOP information was originally recorded in the DECnet data base usingG    the NCP tool.  MOP information can now be stored in a different dataiH    base using the LANCP tool.  MOP and DECnet have always been differentD    protocols.  I don't know of, but wouldn't be surprized by, use ofE    DECnet for downloads et.al. prior to the introduction of MOP.  AlloG    satellites in a VMScluster have done thier initial load via MOP, butwH    the use of the NCP data base often confused people into thinking thisF    was a part of DECnet.  To continue that confusion, many third party(    DECnet package include MOP (and LAT).  D    So "DECnet MOP" is a misnomer.  "DECnet, MOP, or LANCP" is also aE    misnomer.  DECnet and MOP are networking protocols.  NCP, NCL, andr0    LANCP are tools to setup and manage networks.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:51:00 +0000 (UTC)-P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)Y Subject: Re: VMS FAQ: changing volume label of system disk: DECnet MOP or LANCP boot dataC$ Message-ID: <d3m3h4$esh$1@online.de>  
 In articleA <rdeininger-1404050420050001@user-uinj44j.dialup.mindspring.com>,g8 rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes:   5 > >   If this is a system disk (for the host or for ay9 > >   satellite), also check the DECnet MOP or LANCP bootF= > >   database, as well as any references to the disk created0 > >   by CLUSTER_CONFIG*.COM.  > > L > >I'm not running DECnet.  At the moment, I don't have any satellites, but < > >I might in the future, so I want to understand the above. > >eI > >First, is "DECnet MOP" a misnomer?  Or should it read "DECnet, MOP or >C > >LANCP"?  I thought MOP was a "replacement" for DECnet, used for  J > >satellite booting on a non-DECnet cluster.  I used to have satellites, 8 > >used MOP, never had DECnet installed, and all was OK. > I > The MOP network protocol has a number of functions; one is to help boot G > VMS (VAX and Alpha) satellites.  MOP is NOT a replacement for DECnet.e  C Hence the quotes above; I was referring to it as a replacement for ,0 DECnet only in the context of satellite booting.  J > The FAQ mentions many things that MIGHT be on a system disk.  Not all ofD > them are on every system disk.  You won't find anything in any MOP$ > database if you've never used MOP.  G Right.  But I did use it for satellites in the past, and will probably l use it for that in the future.  G > >What are the commands to actually check the DECnet MOP or LANCP bootj
 > >database? i >  > LANCP> SHOW NODE  6 OK, thanks.  Nothing shows up.  That's good (for now).   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:38:53 +0000 (UTC)y7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)aY Subject: Re: VMS FAQ: changing volume label of system disk: DECnet MOP or LANCP boot datas( Message-ID: <d3m9rd$2ps$1@pcls4.std.com>  R helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  J >> >First, is "DECnet MOP" a misnomer?  Or should it read "DECnet, MOP or D >> >LANCP"?  I thought MOP was a "replacement" for DECnet, used for K >> >satellite booting on a non-DECnet cluster.  I used to have satellites, e9 >> >used MOP, never had DECnet installed, and all was OK.0 >> rJ >> The MOP network protocol has a number of functions; one is to help bootH >> VMS (VAX and Alpha) satellites.  MOP is NOT a replacement for DECnet.  D >Hence the quotes above; I was referring to it as a replacement for 1 >DECnet only in the context of satellite booting.   H MOP is an old protocol; it is what Digital used for network booting everE since there even was network booting.  It is a separate protocol thaniD DECnet's protocol.  You shouldn't think of "DECnet MOP" and "LANCP".I It's all MOP, it's just a question of whether MOP is controlled by DECnett	 or LANCP.n  G For whatever reason, Digital made MOP booting part of DECnet.  ProbablytG because in those days, "networking" == DECnet and it made things appearsJ simpler than a separate package/process that only handled downline loading of satellites or other widgets.m  I Later on they added MOP support to LANCP so you don't have to load all of=I DECnet just for network boot support.  They left MOP support in DECnet so D as not to break existing configurations.  For new installations, I'dG suggest you use LANCP to support MOP, particularly if you have no planse otherwise for DECnet.t   -- e -Mikeo   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 04:46:55 -0400O- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>uY Subject: Re: VMS FAQ: changing volume label of system disk: DECnet MOP or LANCP boot datanB Message-ID: <1113468414.d6550f7add6a476e5a2d25c442f1245a@teranews>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:aG > First, is "DECnet MOP" a misnomer?  Or should it read "DECnet, MOP orm
 > LANCP"?   H One still has the opportunity to have MOP services defined in the DECNET or LANCP databases.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 06:20:48 -0400H6 From: Brad Hamilton <brMadAhaPmiSlton@coMmcAasPt.Snet>) Subject: Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharing-0 Message-ID: <PtCdnW0s3M2d2cPfRVn-sw@comcast.com>   Jeffrey H. Coffield wrote: > Greetings, > H > Does anyone have any experience on connecting a OpenVMS Alpha running I > OpenVMS 7.3-2 / TCPIP 5.4 to a Mac running the latest OS X? Samba 2.2 8hI > acts very strange with InDesign so I am thinking about NFS. Either side  > can be the NFS server. >  > TIAH > Jeff Coffield   I Could someone elaborate on potential file sharing problems between a Mac oC running the latest OS X and VMS?  I currently use Samba on my home eI network, and my wife is considering purchase of a Mac laptop.  I'd still iE like to have her access her file shares on VMS using Samba, but I'll r% consider other options, if I have to.b   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:14:23 GMT-" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG) Subject: Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharingn0 Message-ID: <00A4244A.0CB5B2DA@SendSpamHere.ORG>  U In article <3c6216F6jrkb4U1@individual.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> writes:E >Jeffrey H. Coffield wrote:r >s
 >> Greetings,  >> nI >> Does anyone have any experience on connecting a OpenVMS Alpha running  J >> OpenVMS 7.3-2 / TCPIP 5.4 to a Mac running the latest OS X? Samba 2.2 8J >> acts very strange with InDesign so I am thinking about NFS. Either side >> can be the NFS server.b >>  C >I'm not entirely sure what you want here, but last year I spent a 6G >considerable amount of time trying to get OS X to see an NFS share on iI >VMS using TCPIP 5.4. I could get there from the CLI on OS X, but no way tI >could I figure out how to access it from Finder. I could see the folder dL >listed, but always got a "permission denied" message if I tried opening it. >s@ >See http://tinyurl.com/5kaee for my discussion here about that.   Thanks Paul,  H I was trying to do this same thing for my Mrs.  I have Samba running nowG but no matter what I put in its config files, the shared device says itnG is only 20MB.  ... can't put much on that.  Once you try, the device isi
 disconnected.t   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             d5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" b   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:29:26 -0400 6 From: Brad Hamilton <brMadAhaPmiSlton@coMmcAasPt.Snet>) Subject: Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharingi0 Message-ID: <e6OdnWHiaeCLycPfRVn-pQ@comcast.com>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: <snip> > Thanks Paul, > J > I was trying to do this same thing for my Mrs.  I have Samba running nowI > but no matter what I put in its config files, the shared device says iteI > is only 20MB.  ... can't put much on that.  Once you try, the device iso > disconnected.  >   F I just recently had a large back-and forth session with the Samba/VMS H maintainer on the Samba/VMS mailing list - bottom line, I installed the B latest and greatest 2.2.8, and that particular problem was solved.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:36:39 -0400n6 From: Brad Hamilton <brMadAhaPmiSlton@coMmcAasPt.Snet>) Subject: Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharingt0 Message-ID: <GKmdnWogjKFVyMPfRVn-pA@comcast.com>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:k > In article <PtCdnW0s3M2d2cPfRVn-sw@comcast.com>, Brad Hamilton <brMadAhaPmiSlton@coMmcAasPt.Snet> writes:v <snip>K >>Could someone elaborate on potential file sharing problems between a Mac iE >>running the latest OS X and VMS?  I currently use Samba on my home pK >>network, and my wife is considering purchase of a Mac laptop.  I'd still tG >>like to have her access her file shares on VMS using Samba, but I'll s' >>consider other options, if I have to.a >  > J > My wife has been using my son's 12" Powerbook to perpare the taxes.  SheK > uses a drive I created with Samba to keep the tax files (it's on a shadowoJ > set on my VMS box and it gets backed up).  The only issue I seem to haveJ > is that Samba makes the drives 20MBs and I can't figure out how to allow > a bigger drive.e >   & See my previous post for a "solution".  J > We've been sharing pictures this way as well.  I have a large iPhoto libI > on my 17" Powerbook.  I move a few photos at a time and then Mrs. pickssI > them up and deletes them.  If Samba limitation is one you can live withaI > you're set.  Go get a Powerbook!  Go get one even if Samba is an issue!tI > They're really nice laptops and they have an operating system, not justi > a gaming console. ;)  G It'll have to be an iBook - the PowerBook is beyond our current means. i: :-)  Good to know that Samba seems to play well with Macs.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2005 13:36:09 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)) Subject: Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharing , Message-ID: <3c79u8F6mpet0U3@individual.net>  , In article <3c6216F6jrkb4U1@individual.net>,) 	Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> writes:e > Jeffrey H. Coffield wrote: > 
 >> Greetings,  >> oI >> Does anyone have any experience on connecting a OpenVMS Alpha running  J >> OpenVMS 7.3-2 / TCPIP 5.4 to a Mac running the latest OS X? Samba 2.2 8J >> acts very strange with InDesign so I am thinking about NFS. Either side >> can be the NFS server.p >>  D > I'm not entirely sure what you want here, but last year I spent a H > considerable amount of time trying to get OS X to see an NFS share on J > VMS using TCPIP 5.4. I could get there from the CLI on OS X, but no way J > could I figure out how to access it from Finder. I could see the folder M > listed, but always got a "permission denied" message if I tried opening it.p > A > See http://tinyurl.com/5kaee for my discussion here about that.i  F My boss had the same problem trying to access a BSD filesystem mountedD on a MAC with NFS.  I suspect there are either problems with the MACD implementation or some wierd, non-standard option you have to use in% order to get things mounted properly.    bill   -- SJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:21:22 GMTr; From: "Jeffrey H. Coffield" <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com>-) Subject: Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharing7< Message-ID: <C%u7e.3360$dT4.2618@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>   Brad Hamilton wrote: >eK > Could someone elaborate on potential file sharing problems between a Mac tE > running the latest OS X and VMS?  I currently use Samba on my home lK > network, and my wife is considering purchase of a Mac laptop.  I'd still aG > like to have her access her file shares on VMS using Samba, but I'll .' > consider other options, if I have to.e  H The problem I have with Samba connecting to a Mac is that InDesign (one H of the better graphic design tools) can only save a file the first time.E Any attempt to resave it to the same name fails to actually save the d0 file, ususally with no error message on the Mac.  G I am going to try the NFS approach this weekend and will report back mykH results. This is for my toughest customer (my wife) so any solution has  to be pretty reliable.  
 Jeff CoffieldE   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2005 19:13:48 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)@ Subject: [OpenVMS] What do you expect from DIR/SIZ=(ALLO,USED) ?* Message-ID: <425ec0ec@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>  ; What should one expect to see when entering the DCL commandt  ! $ DIRECTORY/SIZE=(ALLOCATED,USED)W   1) The same as with /SIZE=ALLcA Note: On V7.3 there were only ALL, ALLOCATED and USED, but now on # V7.3-2 and V8.2 there is also UNITSe  ' 2) The allocated and used size reversedi   3) Only the Used size.   4) Only the Allocated size   5) A command syntax errorg    / I didn't expect 3) but this is how DCL behaves.A   What do you think ?    TIAo   -- t Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialistw E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2005 18:29:30 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)K Subject: Re: [PCSI] PACKAGE vs COPY, was How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMy, Message-ID: <425eb68a$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>  h In article <i5e7e.3755$HO2.2128@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:E >I know you know the following distinction, but for clarification foreD >other readers: the .PCSI_DCX_AXPEXE kits that can be downloaded areH >created by a general purpose utility that takes any file and produces aC >self-extracting compressed file version of it.  By convention, the I >extension used is .PCSI_DCX_AXPEXE if this archive contains a sequentialeG >..PCSI file (which is extracted by running the .PCSI_DCX_AXPEXE).  ThelC >creation of .PCSI$COMPRESSED kits directly by the PCSI utility hasiE >nothing to do with the other method, except that the DCX compressionrG >algorithm is used.  .PCSI$COMPRESSED kits are handled transparently byGG >PCSI (ie, no manual extraction phase or extra disk space is required).n >-D >The tool to create self-extracting DCX archives has not been ported >to OpenVMS I64. n  = Yes, FTSV hasn't been ported to I64 (and unlikely ever will).:> Isn't this another reason to switch to a tool available on all% platforms (namely ZIP[SFX]) instead ?e  F >                  Since .PCSI$COMPRESSED kits offer the same level ofC >compression and are handled transparently by PRODUCT commands, thehC >decision was made to start shipping .PCSI$COMPRESSED kits from thee* >HP download site for both I64 and Alpha.   C But only for some kits. A bunch of other kits (say CSWB, CSWS, ...) < are already in ZIPSFX. So why use different methods at all ?I And I really like to have a method, which preserves the original creation.F date of the kit during transfers. Therefor packaged (=ZIPped, or maybe$ a BACKUP saveset) instead of 'pure'.  C >                                            For Alpha, though, the D >existing .PCSI_DCX_AXPEXE kits may continue to be provided for some@ >time.  Yes, this may be confusing during the transition, but it* >should be an improvement in the long run.  C I see ZIP as _the_ improvement and it would also has less confusions during transition...  E >In addition the corporate HP kit download mechanism (for OpenVMS and C >other operating systems) is currently being overhauled.  As in anydC >conversion, there are bound to be some problems.  The one that hitbA >OpenVMS was that a .PCSI$COMPRESSED kit in fixed length 512 byte ; >format is downloaded with its attribute changed to stream.m  E Yes, if downloaded with MOZILLA on VMS. But not if downloaded per FTPnD (though I heard a FTP push - whatever that is - has the problem too)D if done properly with binary tranfer method (what does SFTP do ???).  A >                                                             The.C >the contents are ok but the attribute is wrong.  Thus, the need tohE >manually convert it back to fixed length 512 bytes so that PCSI willaE >process it.   We apologize for this situation -- it is being worked.   F How is this worked on ? eg. Will there be a newer MOZILLA for OpenVMS B which has a special HTML application tag for DCX ? Don't think so.  ? >Oddly, this problem has been around for a long time.  However, C >..PCSI_DCX_AXPEXE kits can be successfully extracted using the RUN1> >command even though their file attributes were not preserved.  G And Stream ZIPSFX kits can be RUN _and_ UNZIPped (without being fixed).H So why not ZIP ?   Sigh   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialistp E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.208 ************************