1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 15 Apr 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 210       Contents: Re: DCL on Linux Re: FA: VMS SW kits. Re: FA: VMS SW kits. Re: FA: VMS SW kits. Re: FA: VMS SW kits. Re: FA: VMS SW kits. Re: FA: VMS SW kits. Re: FA: VMS SW kits. Re: FA: VMS SW kits., Re: Flash Card reader with VMS Now available, Re: Flash Card reader with VMS Now available, Re: Flash Card reader with VMS Now available, Re: Flash Card reader with VMS Now available, Re: Flash Card reader with VMS Now available Itanium ovms 8.2 migration Itanium ovms 8.2 migration Re: Itanium ovms 8.2 migration& Microsoft Joins the Battle for Itanium* Re: Microsoft Joins the Battle for Itanium* Re: Microsoft Joins the Battle for Itanium$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey$ Re: Operating System Security Survey4 Re: Reading a VMS IMage backup tape form Windows NT.2 Updated VMS information please keep for future useF Re: VMS FAQ: changing volume label of system disk: DECnet MOP or LANCPP Re: VMS FAQ: changing volume label of system disk: DECnet MOP or LANCP boot data  Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharing  Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharing [AVAIL_MAN_COL V2.4-1] Rant # [F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES] Access problems ' Re: [F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES] Access problems ' Re: [F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES] Access problems ; Re: [OpenVMS] What do you expect from DIR/SIZ=(ALLO,USED) ? B Re: [PCSI] PACKAGE vs COPY, was How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMB Re: [PCSI] PACKAGE vs COPY, was How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMB Re: [PCSI] PACKAGE vs COPY, was How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COM  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:50:58 -0400 + From: "dcpik" <write_me_here_now@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: DCL on Linux 0 Message-ID: <9JCdnSV2Gt1nScLfRVn-sA@comcast.com>  H A little belated but Boston Business Computing sells a DCL emulator for  Linux.G It is called VCL and provides a VMS interface that makes integration a   little easier.  
 www.bosbc.com     David Pikcilingis sales@bosbc.com   ? "Tux Wonder-Dog" <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message  - news:QU0nd.6582$3U4.151643@news02.tsnz.net... K > Just thought I'd put the cat amongst the pigeons here - I've compiled and G > installed the FreeVMS DCL-clone and it works to some degree in Linux.  > L > I thought it'd be an easy way to learn DCL, since Linux is my base system. >  > Wesley Parish  > --  I > "Good, late in to more rewarding well."  "Well, you tonight.  And I was K > lookintelligent woman of Ming home.  I trust you with a tender silence."   > I E > get a word into my hands, a different and unbelike, probably - 'she ? > fortunate fat woman', wrong word.  I think to me, I justupid. I > Let not emacs meta-X dissociate-press write your romantic dialogs...!!!  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:45:17 +0100 # From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: FA: VMS SW kits. 2 Message-ID: <1113551129.31374.0@dyke.uk.clara.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:: > In article <d3loni$mre$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>,1 > 	"Jan-Erik Sderholm" <dummy@dummy.com> writes:  > * >>OpenVMS Alpha SW prod library March 1998( >>OpenVMS VAX SW prod library March 19985 >>OpenVMS VAX Online Documentation Library March 1998 7 >>OpenVMS Alpha Software Product Library September 1998 6 >>OpenVMS Alpha Online Documentation Library June 1997 >> >>Other kits added later...  >># >>See seller "st-a-d-03" in eBay...  >> >  > B > Gee, I never thought of this.  I have a couple xerox paper boxesD > full of distributions.  Maybe retirement is closer than I thought. >  > bill >   G May I suggest that us Hobbyists would benefit greatly from some of you  @ sysmans with 'boxes full of distributions' spreading the wealth D somewhat. Yes, I know you paid for them but *still* if you're never  going to look at them again...   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Apr 2005 12:39:48 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: FA: VMS SW kits. , Message-ID: <3c9r0jF6l6vnqU1@individual.net>  2 In article <1113551129.31374.0@dyke.uk.clara.net>,& 	issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:; >> In article <d3loni$mre$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>, 2 >> 	"Jan-Erik Sderholm" <dummy@dummy.com> writes: >>  + >>>OpenVMS Alpha SW prod library March 1998 ) >>>OpenVMS VAX SW prod library March 1998 6 >>>OpenVMS VAX Online Documentation Library March 19988 >>>OpenVMS Alpha Software Product Library September 19987 >>>OpenVMS Alpha Online Documentation Library June 1997  >>>  >>>Other kits added later... >>> $ >>>See seller "st-a-d-03" in eBay... >>>  >>   >>  C >> Gee, I never thought of this.  I have a couple xerox paper boxes E >> full of distributions.  Maybe retirement is closer than I thought.  >>   >> bill  >>   > I > May I suggest that us Hobbyists would benefit greatly from some of you  B > sysmans with 'boxes full of distributions' spreading the wealth F > somewhat. Yes, I know you paid for them but *still* if you're never   > going to look at them again...  F That's precisely why I kept them when the datacenter was throwing themF out.  But the demand for Vax Version 6.x is not really that great. :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:38:03 +0100 # From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: FA: VMS SW kits. 0 Message-ID: <115vkefc9ktj1ac@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:4 > In article <1113551129.31374.0@dyke.uk.clara.net>,( > 	issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> writes: >  >>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>; >>>In article <d3loni$mre$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>, 2 >>>	"Jan-Erik Sderholm" <dummy@dummy.com> writes: >>>  >>> , >>>>OpenVMS Alpha SW prod library March 1998* >>>>OpenVMS VAX SW prod library March 19987 >>>>OpenVMS VAX Online Documentation Library March 1998 9 >>>>OpenVMS Alpha Software Product Library September 1998 8 >>>>OpenVMS Alpha Online Documentation Library June 1997 >>>> >>>>Other kits added later...  >>>>% >>>>See seller "st-a-d-03" in eBay...  >>>> >>>  >>> C >>>Gee, I never thought of this.  I have a couple xerox paper boxes E >>>full of distributions.  Maybe retirement is closer than I thought.  >>>  >>>bill  >>>  >>I >>May I suggest that us Hobbyists would benefit greatly from some of you  B >>sysmans with 'boxes full of distributions' spreading the wealth F >>somewhat. Yes, I know you paid for them but *still* if you're never   >>going to look at them again... >  > H > That's precisely why I kept them when the datacenter was throwing themH > out.  But the demand for Vax Version 6.x is not really that great. :-) >  > bill >   E I feel that this discussion could quite easily be x-threaded with my  C earlier query about VMS Torrents. Rather than a set of disks being  G privately sold to another individual, wouldn't it be nice to have them  F publicly (albeit in a controlled, account based fashion) available to > the VMS populous? *opens up can of worms (again!) and retires*   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:18:36 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>  Subject: Re: FA: VMS SW kits. < Message-ID: <gXQ7e.2264$HK6.1380@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>  6 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message & news:3c8f23F6fvij7U3@individual.net...> > In article <YaC7e.5906$bc2.3052@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>,) > "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes: = >> "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message ? >> news:1113509699.c9fe0472aac47bae03e7c877af9653a5@teranews...  >>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:( >>>> > See seller "st-a-d-03" in eBay... >>>> > >>>>E >>>> Gee, I never thought of this.  I have a couple xerox paper boxes G >>>> full of distributions.  Maybe retirement is closer than I thought.  >>>  >>> 5 >>> I ask this naively: is it legal to sell the CDs ?  >>2 >> Is it legal to sell a book you've already read? > E > Depends on wether or not the book came with a license limiting what . > you can do with it.  I believe the disks do. >  >> >>> F >>> I think that lending/giving away the CDs wouldn't be an issue. But >>> making money from it ? >>> G >>> (I doubt that HP/Compaq/Digital/whoeveer would sue someone, but you E >>> don't want to force the owner of VMS to take RIAA-like actions to ! >>> prevent the sharing of media.  >>J >> I don't think HP/Compaq/Digital would sue because they are pretty sure  >> they H >> would lose in court.  A copyright prevents people from making copies.H >> Selling a copy when you're done with it should fall under "fair use". > G > Only if you own the copy rather than just having a license to use.  I H > would guess (anyone from HOP want to jump inhere with facts?) that you= > are actually required to destroy old ones by your contract.   M I am not a lawyer.  When you buy the media, you own that copy.  You can sell  K it or give it away.  You can't install that software on a computer because  G that is copying and all rights to copy are controlled by the copyright   holder. E If you want to copy it to your computer, you need a license from the   copyright holder.    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Apr 2005 16:22:56 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: FA: VMS SW kits. , Message-ID: <3ca82vF6lk8a0U1@individual.net>  < In article <gXQ7e.2264$HK6.1380@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,( 	"John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:8 > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message ( > news:3c8f23F6fvij7U3@individual.net...? >> In article <YaC7e.5906$bc2.3052@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>, * >> "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:> >>> "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message@ >>> news:1113509699.c9fe0472aac47bae03e7c877af9653a5@teranews... >>>> Bill Gunshannon wrote: ) >>>>> > See seller "st-a-d-03" in eBay...  >>>>> >  >>>>> F >>>>> Gee, I never thought of this.  I have a couple xerox paper boxesH >>>>> full of distributions.  Maybe retirement is closer than I thought. >>>> >>>>6 >>>> I ask this naively: is it legal to sell the CDs ? >>> 3 >>> Is it legal to sell a book you've already read?  >>F >> Depends on wether or not the book came with a license limiting what/ >> you can do with it.  I believe the disks do.  >> >>>  >>>>G >>>> I think that lending/giving away the CDs wouldn't be an issue. But  >>>> making money from it ?  >>>>H >>>> (I doubt that HP/Compaq/Digital/whoeveer would sue someone, but youF >>>> don't want to force the owner of VMS to take RIAA-like actions to" >>>> prevent the sharing of media. >>> K >>> I don't think HP/Compaq/Digital would sue because they are pretty sure   >>> theyI >>> would lose in court.  A copyright prevents people from making copies. I >>> Selling a copy when you're done with it should fall under "fair use".  >>H >> Only if you own the copy rather than just having a license to use.  II >> would guess (anyone from HOP want to jump inhere with facts?) that you > >> are actually required to destroy old ones by your contract. > O > I am not a lawyer.  When you buy the media, you own that copy.  You can sell  M > it or give it away.  You can't install that software on a computer because  I > that is copying and all rights to copy are controlled by the copyright  	 > holder. G > If you want to copy it to your computer, you need a license from the   > copyright holder.   E I'm not a lawyer either, but I thought (I do not know as I have never F been the primary in the transaction as I get all my in house VMS stuffE from the datacebter) you don't actually "buy" a condist.  You license D it and one of the requirements of the license is that you destroy itD when your done with it.  (Still hoping someone from HP would jump in here with the real story!)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 15 Apr 2005 16:27:16 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: FA: VMS SW kits. , Message-ID: <3ca8b4F6lk8a0U2@individual.net>  0 In article <115vkefc9ktj1ac@corp.supernews.com>,& 	issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 >> In article <1113551129.31374.0@dyke.uk.clara.net>, ) >> 	issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> writes:  >>   >>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>> < >>>>In article <d3loni$mre$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>,3 >>>>	"Jan-Erik Sderholm" <dummy@dummy.com> writes:  >>>> >>>>- >>>>>OpenVMS Alpha SW prod library March 1998 + >>>>>OpenVMS VAX SW prod library March 1998 8 >>>>>OpenVMS VAX Online Documentation Library March 1998: >>>>>OpenVMS Alpha Software Product Library September 19989 >>>>>OpenVMS Alpha Online Documentation Library June 1997  >>>>>  >>>>>Other kits added later... >>>>> & >>>>>See seller "st-a-d-03" in eBay... >>>>>  >>>> >>>>D >>>>Gee, I never thought of this.  I have a couple xerox paper boxesF >>>>full of distributions.  Maybe retirement is closer than I thought. >>>> >>>>bill >>>> >>> J >>>May I suggest that us Hobbyists would benefit greatly from some of you C >>>sysmans with 'boxes full of distributions' spreading the wealth  G >>>somewhat. Yes, I know you paid for them but *still* if you're never  ! >>>going to look at them again...  >>   >>  I >> That's precisely why I kept them when the datacenter was throwing them I >> out.  But the demand for Vax Version 6.x is not really that great. :-)  >>   >> bill  >>   > G > I feel that this discussion could quite easily be x-threaded with my  E > earlier query about VMS Torrents. Rather than a set of disks being  I > privately sold to another individual, wouldn't it be nice to have them  H > publicly (albeit in a controlled, account based fashion) available to @ > the VMS populous? *opens up can of worms (again!) and retires*  B Considering that HP won't even give explicit permission to do thatB for Ultrix-32, somehow I doubt thay would allow it for VMS.  DoingC it without their explicit permission could result in the end of the B Hobbyist program.  Considering that they currently allow HobbyistsA to beg or borrow (just short of steal :-) media anyway, why would  it be worth the risk?    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2005 12:48:14 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)  Subject: Re: FA: VMS SW kits. - Message-ID: <C3rUG0INq7nQ@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   * bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:H > (Still hoping someone from HP would jump in here with the real story!)  I Official statements would need to come from product management; the other O engineers who frequent this joint may not know the official position (I don't).    --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:36:22 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>  Subject: Re: FA: VMS SW kits. ; Message-ID: <qYS7e.6071$bc2.711@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>    [snip]   >>K >> I am not a lawyer.  When you buy the media, you own that copy.  You can   >> sell F >> it or give it away.  You can't install that software on a computer 
 >> becauseI >> that is copying and all rights to copy are controlled by the copyright 
 >> holder.G >> If you want to copy it to your computer, you need a license from the  >> copyright holder. > G > I'm not a lawyer either, but I thought (I do not know as I have never H > been the primary in the transaction as I get all my in house VMS stuffG > from the datacebter) you don't actually "buy" a condist.  You license F > it and one of the requirements of the license is that you destroy itF > when your done with it.  (Still hoping someone from HP would jump in > here with the real story!) >   L Well that would certainly muddy the legal waters.  I suppose you can't sell  something you don't own.  J I checked a recent condist and I couldn't find any information either way.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2005 06:28:57 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)5 Subject: Re: Flash Card reader with VMS Now available 3 Message-ID: <HJcS+Eb22gg3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   z In article <qBA7e.57851$f%4.726@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> writes: > IDE  > K > Plugs right in to DS10/DS10L Main Logic Board + DS20e, ES40, PWS Miata GL  > not Miata etc.D > Pretty much anything that uses the current IDE interface for alpha > 9 > Still testing - we'll be releasing them next month end. L > We're waiting for the large CompactFlash cards to come in to be able to do > full system backups etc. >   . [Second posting, apologies if it's duplicated]  J I've no requirements for these cards, but I am curious about a few things:  I Are the cards been used in a read only mode, or are the cards acting as a  normal system disk ?  H If it's the latter (and if so, I assume that you have at least moved the( page file off the card), some questions:  ! Does the card do wear levelling ?   7 How many writes per sector is the card guaranteed for ?   L Have you tested to see what happens if you just pull the power to the system! in the middle of write activity ?    Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       7 Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:22:24 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> 5 Subject: Re: Flash Card reader with VMS Now available , Message-ID: <3c9q4rF641ildU1@individual.net>  D On 2005-04-14 17:04, "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" wrote:  B > Well, we just backed up and loaded VMS from an Combo card reader >  > [...]  > - > Combo card reader (fits in the floppy slot)   E Specs? Data Sheet? Support for "recent" systems? (The DS15 has a slot 1 for a floppy drive but no drive itself. Cabling?)    > With SD Card 1GB $299  > With Compact Flash 1GB $349  > With Compact Flash 4GB $689  > With Compact Flash 8GB $1895  L Why no offer _without_ SD/Flash Card? These Cards seem to be COTS items now.   > [...]    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:32:17 -0400 ? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> 5 Subject: Re: Flash Card reader with VMS Now available : Message-ID: <AtO7e.66594$vL3.59632@bignews4.bellsouth.net>  
 Answers below      --     > L > I've no requirements for these cards, but I am curious about a few things: > K > Are the cards been used in a read only mode, or are the cards acting as a ? > normal system disk ? - They are seen as a normall system disk L We currently have loaded VMS 7.2-1 on both a 512MB SD Card and a 1GB SD Card* The 512MB is actually running DECwindows !  G It is a little slower than a standard hard disk but seems to be running  pretty well       ! Does the card do wear levelling ?   L No but I can't see particular issues with this as there are no movinf parts,
 no heads etc. H No doubt there will be some degradation in reliability - Lexar gives a 5I year warranty under normal use (they don't spcify how many insertions and  extractions they underwrite)  L I personally thinnk Compactflash is the way to go - the actual product seems considerably more rugged. L As for powering the system off in the middle of a write - we haven't done itL nor would we guarantee anything if such occurred. Typically if you are usingL any medium, cutting power during write process is not the best thing one can do. 5 I would suggest using a UPS in all cases just in case   H I can state that even though this system boots and runs fine as a systemH disk, I really believe the true use of this card will be for backups and data portability. K Either way, it isn't prohibitively expensive any longer and I can guarantee L the 8GB card will drop considerably in price over the next 12 months. I haveB heard that several companies are looking at 36GB cards. That'll be interesting.  I I also noticed yesterday when we changed out a CDROM that we were loading 4 with, the VMS install was about 22 minutes complete.    D If there are any military people out there - I think this would be a0 consideration as an alternative to shuttle disks   DT   David         9 > How many writes per sector is the card guaranteed for ?  > G > Have you tested to see what happens if you just pull the power to the  system# > in the middle of write activity ?  >  > Simon. >  > --  = > Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP 9 > Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:06:11 -0400 2 From: "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb.NOSP@M.cdrh.fda.gov>5 Subject: Re: Flash Card reader with VMS Now available 3 Message-ID: <oTP7e.110$fZ5.273@mencken.net.nih.gov>   H Nice.  Do you expect to sell this solution w/o media for those of us whoB have already invested in it?  How about CF Type II media (i.e. the microdrive)?  J "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> wrote in message4 news:6Cv7e.78467$wo1.60529@bignews6.bellsouth.net...- > Combo card reader (fits in the floppy slot)  >  > With SD Card 1GB $299  > With Compact Flash 1GB $349  > With Compact Flash 4GB $689  > With Compact Flash 8GB $1895   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:11:03 -0400 ? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> 5 Subject: Re: Flash Card reader with VMS Now available : Message-ID: <kUP7e.83173$vK6.33796@bignews3.bellsouth.net>  + Yes we are selling the card reader for $179  Haven't tried the microdrive   DT   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Skype ID: islandco Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   = "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb.NOSP@M.cdrh.fda.gov> wrote in message - news:oTP7e.110$fZ5.273@mencken.net.nih.gov... J > Nice.  Do you expect to sell this solution w/o media for those of us whoD > have already invested in it?  How about CF Type II media (i.e. the > microdrive)? > L > "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> wrote in message6 > news:6Cv7e.78467$wo1.60529@bignews6.bellsouth.net.../ > > Combo card reader (fits in the floppy slot)  > >  > > With SD Card 1GB $299  > > With Compact Flash 1GB $349  > > With Compact Flash 4GB $689   > > With Compact Flash 8GB $1895 >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2005 07:18:16 -0700$ From: "ugex" <edgar_ulloa@yahoo.com># Subject: Itanium ovms 8.2 migration C Message-ID: <1113574696.425304.268200@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Hi Guys:  D I need to migrate all aplications in vax vms 7.1 to Itanium ovms 8.2 (all builded in cobol).    The questions are..   F 1.-- Can I do it direcly .. vax - vms  Itanium..? or is necesary Vax - alpha -itanium..?   B 2.- Some one knows what itanium licences I need for start ovms 8.2
 itanium..? - ovms - vms users  - tcp/ip
 - dvnetend -cobol  D 3.- some one knows what point missing me to know for this proyect..?   Thanks for all your comments   Edgar    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2005 07:18:42 -0700$ From: "ugex" <edgar_ulloa@yahoo.com># Subject: Itanium ovms 8.2 migration C Message-ID: <1113574722.566322.234790@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Hi Guys:  D I need to migrate all aplications in vax vms 7.1 to Itanium ovms 8.2 (all builded in cobol).    The questions are..   F 1.-- Can I do it direcly .. vax - vms  Itanium..? or is necesary Vax - alpha -itanium..?   B 2.- Some one knows what itanium licences I need for start ovms 8.2
 itanium..? - ovms - vms users  - tcp/ip
 - dvnetend -cobol  D 3.- some one knows what point missing me to know for this proyect..?   Thanks for all your comments   Edgar    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:24:41 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> ' Subject: Re: Itanium ovms 8.2 migration < Message-ID: <Z0R7e.2269$HK6.1340@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>  0 "ugex" <edgar_ulloa@yahoo.com> wrote in message = news:1113574696.425304.268200@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... 
 > Hi Guys: > F > I need to migrate all aplications in vax vms 7.1 to Itanium ovms 8.2 > (all builded in cobol).  >  > The questions are..  > H > 1.-- Can I do it direcly .. vax - vms  Itanium..? or is necesary Vax - > alpha -itanium..?   , You can go directly from VAX/VMS to Itanium.   > D > 2.- Some one knows what itanium licences I need for start ovms 8.2 > itanium..? > - ovms
 > - vms users 
 > - tcp/ip > - dvnetend > -cobol  D That sounds about right.  I don't think OpenVMS on Itanium has user L licenses, it's always unlimited users.  TCP/IP and DECnet should be bundled K so I think you'll wind up buying some sort of Itanium with OpenVMS package   plus a COBOL license.    > F > 3.- some one knows what point missing me to know for this proyect..? >  > Thanks for all your comments >  > Edgar  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:59:59 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> / Subject: Microsoft Joins the Battle for Itanium 1 Message-ID: <PFQ7e.3953$eA4.715@news.cpqcorp.net>   9  From Interex's HP World News newsletter, April 15, 2005:  --- & Microsoft Joins the Battle for Itanium  H Suddenly, Microsoft is joining Hewlett-Packard and Intel in their quest C to aggressively drive 64-bit Itanium into enterprises. Here's what  1 Microsoft is doing to promote Itanium -- and why.   E Go here for more: http://www.interex.org/hpwnews/content/4.14.05.html  ---  which says:  --- ' "Microsoft Joins the Battle For Itanium   > Suddenly, Microsoft is joining HP and Intel in their quest to 3 aggressively drive 64-bit Itanium into enterprises.   D Microsoft's next server operating system, code-named "Longhorn," is D expected to ship in 2007, and with an Itanium version. Microsoft is @ already trumpeting the benefits of Longhorn on Itanium in a new B marketing drive, starting with a multi-city tour called "Route64."  H Microsoft also plans to buy 1,600 Itanium servers from HP, many of them 2 destined for Itanium 2-based Longhorn lab testing.  I Microsoft has already developed or is working on Itanium versions of SQL  8 Server 2005, .Net Framework 2005 and Visual Studio 2005.  H It's an interesting battle with much at stake. ... Microsoft, Intel and J HP have to varying degrees bet their respective companies on the platform.  A Microsoft hopes Longhorn will compete with Linux as the high-end  B replacement for UNIX systems in enterprises. Intel is counting on B Itanium to help it continue to dominate the server microprocessor H market. And HP has committed nearly all its server lines to a migration  to Itanium.   H HP has been both criticized and applauded for its aggressive support of C the Itanium platform, which it co-developed with Intel. ... But HP  G executives are taking the long view, pointing out that HP's plan spans  H 10 years or more, and that the benefits of performance, scalability and H cost savings will give HP a huge advantage against competitors like IBM I and Sun. ... Part of the marketing effort by Intel, HP and now Microsoft  5 will be designed to drive momentum behind Itanium ...   H And it's more than marketing. Intel plans to ship a motherboard in 2007 H that will enable companies to yank the Xeon chips on those motherboards 7 and replace them with more powerful Itanium processors.   H ... With the full backing of Intel, HP and now Microsoft, Itanium has a # real shot of owning the enterprise.   . Stay tuned. This is about to get interesting."   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:16:37 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 3 Subject: Re: Microsoft Joins the Battle for Itanium 2 Message-ID: <pVQ7e.3956$6D4.1922@news.cpqcorp.net>  H And there's more. Again, from Interex's HP World News newsletter, April 	 15, 2005:  --- ! Microsoft Gets Itanium 'Religion' = http://asia.cnet.com/news/software/0,39037051,39225455,00.htm  ---  which says:  --- * Microsoft uses Longhorn to promote Itanium# By Stephen Shankland, CNET News.com  Monday, April 11 2005 1:57 PM   F Microsoft has committed to sell an Itanium edition of its forthcoming G Longhorn Server, part of a renewed marketing effort for Windows on the  A high-end processor that Intel and Microsoft plan to begin Monday.  ... F Support for [Itanium] has been a lower priority for Microsoft. That's G starting to change, as Microsoft comes around to the way Intel and its  I chief Itanium ally, Hewlett-Packard, see the world. Like them, Microsoft  H wants to use Itanium to tackle the "big iron" part of the server market G -- massive multiprocessor machines running demanding and crucial tasks.   G "Our position has not been as clear here as much as it should be," Bob  I Muglia, senior vice president of the Windows Server Division, said in an  I interview. "We have a commitment to Xeon, but also very much to Itanium."   C Part of that commitment involves releasing Longhorn Server for the  G processor in 2007, Muglia said, which is the same year the x86 version  E is expected. Another part is a multicity tour called Route64 to tout    advantages of 64-bit processing.  D Another part of Microsoft's commitment will be buying 1,600 Itanium F servers from HP. "I would say it's the most positive that we've been, E ever really, since the start of Itanium," said Rich Marcello, senior  6 vice president of HP's Business Critical Server group. ... F Itanium has 64-bit extensions that permit the processor to easily use I more than 4GB of memory. That feature appeals to Scott Erkonen, managing  5 officer of networking at Premier Bank Card, who runs  F business-intelligence tasks on an HP Integrity server with 12 Itanium I processors and 24GB of memory. Until upgrading an earlier Xeon system to  C an Itanium machine, the company was having trouble keeping up with  J demands in loading, processing and extracting useful information, he said. ...  Trials and travails   A Microsoft has long yearned for the plump profits and prestigious  F customers of the big iron market, but it's been tough convincing them F that Microsoft has what it takes to run servers that must stay up and  running without fail.   ? "Our traditional partner channels and Microsoft don't have the  H experience base working with the customers who have that set of needs,"  Muglia said.  E Microsoft has some incentive to push Windows on Itanium: competition  D with Linux. Fujitsu announced new 32-processor Itanium servers last H week--but for customer demand reasons, it's releasing models with Linux ; first in June, with Windows support to follow in September.   I Intel, too has had its hardships ... but things are looking up now, said  E Abhi Talkwalkar, senior vice president of Intel's Digital Enterprise  I Group. "Our first quarter was very strong as it pertains to Itanium," he  E said. And the chipmaker is eagerly awaiting the release of Montecito   models at the end of 2005. ... H Microsoft plans Itanium versions of SQL Server 2005, its .Net Framework H 2005 and Visual Studio 2005 ... "What we expect to see over the next 12 F to 24 months is a set of really critical customer applications moving C onto Windows and the Itanium platform," Muglia said. ... "The next  I logical thing to get on Integrity would be an Exchange implementation. I  B think that will be coming sometime down the road," Marcello said."   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2005 08:40:29 -0700* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>3 Subject: Re: Microsoft Joins the Battle for Itanium	C Message-ID: <1113579629.836061.233150@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>M   Keith Parris wrote: : > From Interex's HP World News newsletter, April 15, 2005: > ---W( > Microsoft Joins the Battle for Itanium >kC > Suddenly, Microsoft is joining Hewlett-Packard and Intel in theirb quest D > to aggressively drive 64-bit Itanium into enterprises. Here's what3 > Microsoft is doing to promote Itanium -- and why.a >lG > Go here for more: http://www.interex.org/hpwnews/content/4.14.05.htmla > ---t
 > which says:m > ---n) > "Microsoft Joins the Battle For Itanium   F What a load of nonsense. If you actually look at the Microsoft route64A web site you will find it mainly promotes and expects most 64 bitcC systems to be X86-64.  The hardware offered to attendees at reducedtE rates consists of a choice of two X86-64 and one Itanium based system  probably just to keep HP happy.n  ( Extract from www.route64.net (Microsoft)  B  "With the 64-bit environment, you get increased performance, moreB scalability, reduced TCO, new market opportunities while retainingI 32-bit compatibility. The Intel=AE Itanium=AE 2 processor has led the way : in breaking the ground for 64-bit enabling. The new x86-64B architectures, such as the 64-bit Intel=AE Xeon processor, are nowF available in the market to broaden the number of applications that canD take advantage of improved performance. The vast majority of the newF servers and high-end workstations sold in 2005 will be 64-bit capable.> Now is the time to get ready for the upcoming demand of 64-bit computing!. Be ready!"  9 Note that the Itanium 2 "has led the way" (past tense)...- --=20-
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Apr 2005 07:34:06 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Survey 7 Message-ID: <Xns963961845E29Ddcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>i  H %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Mitch Wagner wrote in news:1lp8s7qx7ri0f.dlg@wagmail.com  / > I can two three possible article angles here:t > ? > 1) Why VMS is the most secure operating system in the world. k > 7 > 2) VMS disaster tolerance features (as you suggest). r > H > Doc, are you interested in writing either one of those stories? If not > you, then who else?   J I do not think I am an appropriate person to author either.  This is down H to me not having sufficient experience.  My employer uses VMS, but I am F not involved in the management of their systems, I just help keep the 2 Deathrow Cluster running as an "amateur" sysadmin.  I Keith Parris might be someone to get in touch about disaster tolerance.  oG I think your best bet is asking Sue Skonetski (sp?) of HP.  I'm fairly nJ confident she could put you in touch with someone who could author either  for you.     Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.iG http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.0   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Apr 2005 07:36:40 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Surveyh7 Message-ID: <Xns963961F3BD076dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>t  ! %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, JF Mezei wrote inm: news:1113510820.4371e5ca84a0d0760f08fb16af50e0b1@teranews   F > And to whoemever stuffed the ballots: shame on you; you deprived VMSE > of a legitimate place, albeit less extraordinary. Had VMS gotten 1%uH > more than the others, it would have been a greater achievement because% > that vote would have been credible..  I I'll point out now that I went back to the poll with a different browser gK after Didier's comment about being able to vote multiple times.  I did not b? write any script or anything like that to stuff the ballot box.u     Doc. -- oG OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.lG http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 05:09:31 -0400-+ From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net>0- Subject: Re: Operating System Security SurveynA Message-ID: <6.2.3.0.2.20050415050630.070d2ba0@mail.patmedia.net>q  " At 03:36 AM 4/15/2005, Doc. wrote:" >%NEWS-I-NEWMSG, JF Mezei wrote in: >news:1113510820.4371e5ca84a0d0760f08fb16af50e0b1@teranews >:H > > And to whoemever stuffed the ballots: shame on you; you deprived VMSG > > of a legitimate place, albeit less extraordinary. Had VMS gotten 1%lJ > > more than the others, it would have been a greater achievement because' > > that vote would have been credible.8 >>I >I'll point out now that I went back to the poll with a different browserlK >after Didier's comment about being able to vote multiple times.  I did not @ >write any script or anything like that to stuff the ballot box.  B The real problem that I saw was that you had to "vote" to see the D results. I voted once from work. When I got home, I want to see the F results, but I had to "vote" again in order to do so. If there were a B "see the results" link to press without voting, then, maybe, some 1 people would not have had to vote more than once.    Ken    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:15:28 +0000 (UTC)e From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk- Subject: Re: Operating System Security Surveya) Message-ID: <d3ob90$h7b$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>r  T In article <fatp7fhyfv7l$.dlg@wagmail.com>, Mitch Wagner <mitch@wagmail.com> writes:7 >On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 04:15:06 -0400, Dave Froble wrote:i >o >> Mitch Wagner wrote:, >>> On 13 Apr 2005 09:43:36 GMT, Doc. wrote: >>>  >>> M >>>>%NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Didier MORANDI wrote in news:425c355a$1_3@news.bluewin.chr >>>> >>>> >1L >The poll has been up two weeks. Last week, VMS was getting 3 percent of theI >vote. This week, allofasudden it's getting more than half (IIRC). And we F >got more responses in the second week of the poll than in the first.  >iK >That told me the poll was being fixed by VMS advocates. This is hardly thedF >first time this has happened. Or the second. Or the 50th. It's always6 >pretty obvious from voting patterns what's going on.  >p  M To be accurate the change in voting patterns just indicated that someone had AJ posted about your poll to this VMS newsgroup which prompted people on thisK newsgroup to vote. Most people using this news group were not aware of yourn poll until the second week.aL The voting pattern might well have been pretty similar even if everybody in K this group who voted had voted just once. Unfortunately there is no way to lM know since some people have definitely voted multiple times (since they have   admitted doing so).u    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University    K >So I searched on Google, then Google Groups, for "VMS security" (and maybeeH >Security Pipeline -- I forgot which exact search strings I used) -- and >oho, here y'all were. > 
 >Mitch Wagnery   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2005 07:41:53 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: Operating System Security Surveyl3 Message-ID: <QRd5CQBD4c+L@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <1113511910.b18c1da8cd2d613b33880387f7d503f5@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > E > So those who hacked votes for VMS would have had to disable cookiesbG > and/or delete their cookies to vote again. I expect windows aor linux 7 > weenies to do such things. But not VMS professionals.1  ?    Larry isn't the only VMS user who has a habit of running hisF"    browsers with cookies disabled.  C    If the web site really wanted to enforce this with cookies, theysE    could have required cookies to be enabled.  Which means some of us D    would not have voted, even if it meant Windows coming out on top.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:06:09 -0400.+ From: "David Pikcilingis" <dcpik@bosbc.com>f= Subject: Re: Reading a VMS IMage backup tape form Windows NT. 0 Message-ID: <z7qdnQXCvbzpRcLfRVn-jw@comcast.com>  E Boston Business Computing sells Vbackup that will read the tape on a aD UNIX/Linux box.  From there you could move it to the Windows system.? Not exactly what you want but a step in that direction perhaps.o  
 www.bosbc.com    David Pikcilingis   @ "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:41F076E6.14E5B8F2@comcast.net... $ > gribbinjf@npt.nuwc.navy.mil wrote: >>
 >> Hi All, >>< >> PLease point me in the right direction.  I am looking for> >> utilities to read a VMS BACKUP/IMAGE tape from a Windows NT
 >> server. >iG > Well, understand that being able to get the files from the saveset iswI > one thing. Being able to us ethe files on a non-VMS system is something  > else entirely. >k > Still want to try it?s >bG > Google is your friend (though not as convenient as it once was). Lookg > for transoft.com, also.i >c > --   > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ >e+ > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:n$ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ >l* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l >r$ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/n >u > Coming soon:) > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page i   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2005 07:52:45 -0700! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.como; Subject: Updated VMS information please keep for future useoB Message-ID: <1113576765.279785.80320@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  E Dear Newsgroup, I did have to remove the jobs since I do not have theGF ok to post them on the web (Ireland, 2 in NY of of Monster and one web site)e  
 Warm Regards,F Sue0   ----Original Message-----c From: Skonetski, Susan% Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:34 AMt To: ; Subject: Updated VMS information please keep for future used     Dear Folks,g  F Here is this weeks Updated VMS information, I hope that you find theseA weekly updates useful, I am doing them to prevent sending so many.F individual email messages.  Let me know what you think.  Make sure youG visit http://www.openvms.org for more information as well also there is>E a survey on http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/ about OpenVMS V8.2 if you B would be so kind as to fill it out, I would appreciate it (one perA person, please do not stuff the survey) left nav bar scroll down.t   Warm Regards as always.  Sue     E **** On the VMS Home Page - links I have been asked about this week -i4 Please make sure you also check our HP home page at: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/   White Papers Direct Link8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/whitepapers/index.html   Questions (just try it)tH "http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/parseCurl.do?CURL=%2Fcm%2FFamF ilyHome%2F1%2C%2C288%2C00.html&admit=716493758+1113574081834+28353475"  > Success Stories http://h71000.www7.hp.com/success-stories.html  F Business Solutions CD (Very good CD with all kinds of stuff on it like  videos, partners, presentations)6 "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/business_solutions_cd.html"  A Test Drive - http://www.testdrive.hp.com/ - this would be good tooB forward to newbie folks and spread the love - We have upgraded the? OpenVMS Galaxy cluster to OpenVMS 8.2. The two instances can behG accessed by telneting to SPE181 or SPE182. Learn more about HP OpenVMS,i# or sign up and give it a try today!a  G OpenVMS Technical Journal - This is the Jan 05 issue which has over 14KwG views, the next one will be out in June, many thanks to the authors who D have written for the journal in the past and those thinking about it& for the future.  Sue as the editor ;')4 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/index.html   Has my partner ported to IPF?uF http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/index.html you need to click on the letter or scroll downg   Indexn    1. OpenVMS Mentions in the press 2. Golden Eggs 3. PartnersI 4. Training Opportunitiesu) 5. Jobs 4 of them including one in Europe    1. OpenVMS Mentions in the Pressd  E http://www.fool.com/community/pod/2005/050406.htm?ref=foolwatch think 7 that HP should try to do more with OpenVMS. ... OpenVMSn  H http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=1605020> 90&tid=5978 Aging Alpha Processor Gets Companion Product Boost  G http://www.itjungle.com/tfh/tfh041105-story02.html The Possibilities of  PASE  H http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news< _view&newsId=20050406005822&newsLang=en Number One Automatic< Defragmenter Celebrates 19 Years of Eliminating System Slows     2. Golden Eggs: Our Friend Matti has new Golden Eggs for us on OpenVMS.orgC To celebrate the first 12 month Visual Configuration operation, ouriC early bird, the Golden Eggs Goose has laid a couple of brand new HP.@ Integrity rx2620 visual configurations. These fresh diagrams areF intended for more convenient Integrity rx2620 OpenVMS system planning.  Fresh diagrams are hatched here:  8 GEJrx2620a       HP Integrity rx2620 Systems 1600MHz 2P,5 http://goldeneggs.spyderbyte.com/geggs/GEJrx2620a.pdf   4 GTJrx2620c       HP Integrity rx2620 Cluster MSA10005 http://goldeneggs.spyderbyte.com/geggs/GTJrx2620c.pdf      3. Partnerse Folks,: Another key partner product, makes it over to OpenVMS I64.D Interested customers should contact their IBM Software Sales rep for? product purchase. _______________ Further to our Alpha platformgF success, we have now achieved e(lectronic)GA for our WebSphere MQ V5.3A OVMS Itanium deliverable (3/16).  This can be pulled from the IBM>G Passport Advantage site now for all eligible customers and available toeE any new customers with purchase of appropriate PPA contract.  The WMQe@ V5.3 p(hysical)GA media combined pack for both Alpha and Itanium- platforms is scheduled for availability 4/08..   Nick  ) Project Manager, WebSphere MQ Developmenth IBM Hursley (mailpoint 211),A WebSphere MQ homepage URL:  http://www.ibm.com/software/mqseries/h   _______________________________  >From the latest Synerg E News  D IT'S NOW EASIER FOR OpenVMS USERS TO INSTALL SYNERGY/DE LICENSE PAKs  B Now when you request Synergy/DE license PAKs for OpenVMS, you willD receive them as an email attachment from Synergex. You can save thisG attachment as a command file on your OpenVMS (Alpha or Itanium) system;oD and then, instead of manually typing in the license information, youB can simply run the command file to install your Synergy/DE license PAKs.d  D For more information about this new process, contact your Synergy/DE Account Manager.     4. Training Opportunitiesp   Cache training> http://www.intersystems.com/cache/education/expert/expert.html  C PARSEC is conducting an OpenVMS Security class on May 16, 2005 Morei information can be found at 4 http://www.parsec.com/general/description.php?O^710.   5i   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2005 07:46:40 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)#O Subject: Re: VMS FAQ: changing volume label of system disk: DECnet MOP or LANCP23 Message-ID: <9LuCZqFC4vvt@eisner.encompasserve.org>m  r In article <1113511257.48b1dd24cf7f7c95af9639966ff81abd@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Michael Moroney wrote: > G > But when you define MOP services in the DECNET database, isn't it thei. > DECNET softwware that handles MOP requests ? >aF > i.e. isn't it the DECNET software that registers the MOP protocol idI > with the ethernet card so that when a MOP request is broadcasted, it isOF > the running DECNET software that is handled the packet so the DECNETK > software can then fulful the MOP request if the host is in its database ?i > J > (the packets may not be DECNET protocol, but still handled by the DECNET
 > software ?)c  B    If the software is handling MOP protocol, why would one call itC    DECnet software?  If the software was handling UDP/IP, would youa    call it DECnet software?a  G > If DECNET isn't running and the MOP nodes are defined with NCP, is ito? > correct to state that MOP requests will not be responded to ?y  B    I know a site that did enable MOP back when NCP managed the MOPD    information and did not enable DECnet.  I don't know the details.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:47:27 +0000 (UTC)r7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)oY Subject: Re: VMS FAQ: changing volume label of system disk: DECnet MOP or LANCP boot datay( Message-ID: <d3or6v$c2r$1@pcls4.std.com>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    >Michael Moroney wrote:iK >> MOP is an old protocol; it is what Digital used for network booting everwH >> since there even was network booting.  It is a separate protocol thanG >> DECnet's protocol.  You shouldn't think of "DECnet MOP" and "LANCP".5L >> It's all MOP, it's just a question of whether MOP is controlled by DECnet >> or LANCP.    F >But when you define MOP services in the DECNET database, isn't it the- >DECNET softwware that handles MOP requests ?@  3 If you tell DECnet to actually respond to MOP, yes.s  E >i.e. isn't it the DECNET software that registers the MOP protocol idDH >with the ethernet card so that when a MOP request is broadcasted, it isE >the running DECNET software that is handled the packet so the DECNET J >software can then fulful the MOP request if the host is in its database ?  I Only if you use DECnet to respond to MOP and not LANCP.  If you use LANCPk= to respond, LANCP registers the MOP protocol with the driver.   I >(the packets may not be DECNET protocol, but still handled by the DECNET  >software ?)  G Again, if and only if you choose to use DECnet and not LANCP to responde to MOP requests.  G You can choose to have DECnet respond to MOP, or you can choose to havelE the LANCP process respond to MOP.  You can even have your own program $ respond to MOP if you know the spec.  D My point was, MOP is MOP.  Writing "DECnet MOP" without also writingG "LANCP MOP" makes it sound like you don't know what is going on, and I .L wanted to be sure you did.  A booting node sends out MOP "boot me" requests.> It doesn't know or care whether DECnet or LANCP responds to it  F >If DECNET isn't running and the MOP nodes are defined with NCP, is it> >correct to state that MOP requests will not be responded to ?  F Again, they will be responded to if LANCP is configured to respond to E them.  (Or your home brew program.)  It is theoretically possible to  B define a MOP database in both LANCP and DECnet.  Only one of theseC can actually respond as the ethernet driver won't allow two clientso to access the MOP protocol.e -- p -Miker   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:44:55 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG) Subject: Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharing 0 Message-ID: <00A4250F.18B818D4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  r In article <1113509493.87a649256c056d8ea5636af82482b59e@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:H >Out of curiosity, how does the file sharing on VMS handle all the weirdE >and wonderful names you can have on a MAC ? Does it handler accented-) >characters in a file name for instance ?2 > I >(question applies to both ODS2 and ODS5 disks on VMS acting as stores). u >cI >Or does it build container files that are independant of VMS file namingv >conventions ?    H I see them "escaped" with a hex number.  I don't usually use weird namesG and characters.  Also, most of the file files have been from the camerae2 and are named by iPhoto when imported as IMG_####.   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMy            V5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2005 07:35:32 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: VMS to Max OS X file sharingo3 Message-ID: <ahIgWAN9oRil@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <1113509493.87a649256c056d8ea5636af82482b59e@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:I > Out of curiosity, how does the file sharing on VMS handle all the weirdcF > and wonderful names you can have on a MAC ? Does it handler accented* > characters in a file name for instance ? > J > (question applies to both ODS2 and ODS5 disks on VMS acting as stores).  > J > Or does it build container files that are independant of VMS file naming > conventions ?e  D    Depends on the IP stack.  I used UCX at one time, it would handleE    ODS-2 services with ODS-2 naming restrictions, or provide the sametC    "container" that the POSIX kit used, with UNIX style file names.k  G    The "container" was just a mapping from UNIX style names and i-nodesp<    to ODS-2 files with names created from the i-node number.  G    I use Multinet now, which provides a mapping from general file nameso;    to ODS-2 limitations by using the $ as a flag character.a  G    I never used UCX with ODS-5, and I know Multinet now supports ODS-5,dE    but I haven't tried it.  I assume there's simply a lot fewer casest!    which Multinet must map via $.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2005 19:16:10 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: [AVAIL_MAN_COL V2.4-1] Rant, Message-ID: <426012fa$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>  8 May I rant again that AVAIL_MAN deletes a foreign file ?  L Even the newest AVAIL_MAN_ANA V2.4-1 deletes AMDS$CONSOLE.EXE (of AMDS kit).  H I once posted this here and get the confirmation that it is a bug and is2 fixed now. But alas, I just lost my image again...   Please !   TIA-   -- - Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERp% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2005 11:57:05 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER), Subject: [F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES] Access problems, Message-ID: <425fac11$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>  J I just noted, that F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES (which is to be used from DCL scriptsJ to not need to parse output of DIR/FULL commands ;-) requires some kind of@ access to the file in question - for all its (documented) items.  D eg. An (opened nonshared for write) file, which DIR/FULL lists quiteI happily (but might give some wrong information - like used size is alwaysrG zero until closed), brings "%SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict"RH and aborts the command line - though the status is said to be a warning.4 (A file opened nonshared for read is ok for F$FILE).   That surprises/frustrates me.   M 1) Isn't an lexical function designed to return "" (and the status of course)7I if a warning occurs and not abort the (WRITE SYS$OUTPUT) command (line) ? G (The solution for now could be splitting the command line in two, first/  symbol assign and second WRITE).  L 2) Is this new behaviour ? (I'm surprised, I never so far stumbled over it). I've seen it on V7.3-2 and V8.2a  G 3) Is there a chance, that F$FILE behaves more friendly in the future ?w, If DIRECTORY.EXE can it, why can't DCL.EXE ?   TIAs   -- 1 Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERg% Network and OpenVMS system specialistt E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:00:51 GMT"( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com>0 Subject: Re: [F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES] Access problems2 Message-ID: <7WO7e.3943$PM4.1587@news.cpqcorp.net>  C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in messagei& news:425fac11$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT...L > I just noted, that F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES (which is to be used from DCL scriptsL > to not need to parse output of DIR/FULL commands ;-) requires some kind of  > access to the file in question  L Correct. It uses a full SYS$OPEN call, like DCL OPEN, to have RMS return the option.lB The gain is independance, the cost is the sharing requirements you
 observeed.  E  eg. An (opened nonshared for write) file, which DIR/FULL lists quiterK > happily (but might give some wrong information - like used size is alwayseI > zero until closed), brings "%SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict"   2 Correct. DIR/FULL uses an ACP QIO for local files.  G > 1) Isn't an lexical function designed to return "" (and the status ofa course)-K > if a warning occurs and not abort the (WRITE SYS$OUTPUT) command (line) ?<I > (The solution for now could be splitting the command line in two, first1" > symbol assign and second WRITE).   split.  I > 2) Is this new behaviour ? (I'm surprised, I never so far stumbled overt it).! > I've seen it on V7.3-2 and V8.2   3 The file sharing requirement has always been there.aF (Dunno about the command line effect as I do not find that interesting myself. :-)a    I > 3) Is there a chance, that F$FILE behaves more friendly in the future ? . > If DIRECTORY.EXE can it, why can't DCL.EXE ?  + ramblings, with my hp hat in the closet,...c  3 Very little chance, but it has been discussed some.-I DCL tries to stick to minimal jackets around standard system services. ith tries to avoid special cases.uK It could do like DIR and use an ACP QIO, but that would be a whole new sorts of code for DCL.= IMHO it would be more reasoanble to tweak RMS some to have an1J open/search/parse modifier to indicate you do not need access at all, just4 looking for meta-data info. No plans that I know of.K The 'right' way to define such new access would be to simply NOT set GET in 
 FAB$B_FAC.E Unfortunately this access is defaulted and the GET bit is essentiallya useless.% All other FAC bits are taken. Bummer.tG An other place to request this could be FAB$B_SHR. Bit #7 is still free J there, and could perhaps be tought to have the right effect. And there areC nonsense combos like UPI+NIL that could be given a special meaning.m   fwiw,  Hein   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2005 17:33:31 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)0 Subject: Re: [F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES] Access problems, Message-ID: <425ffaeb$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>  ] In article <7WO7e.3943$PM4.1587@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com> writes:-k >"Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message news:425fac11$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT...mM >> I just noted, that F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES (which is to be used from DCL scriptsAM >> to not need to parse output of DIR/FULL commands ;-) requires some kind of ! >> access to the file in questiona >eU >Correct. It uses a full SYS$OPEN call, like DCL OPEN, to have RMS return the option. N >The gain is independance, the cost is the sharing requirements you observeed.  K Then, please, let someone add this restriction to the documentation & help.r  > >IMHO it would be more reasoanble to tweak RMS some to have anK >open/search/parse modifier to indicate you do not need access at all, justn5 >looking for meta-data info. No plans that I know of.t   Sad, indeed.9 But maybe with the next port of OpenVMS (to OPTERON ?)...n  H >An other place to request this could be FAB$B_SHR. Bit #7 is still freeK >there, and could perhaps be tought to have the right effect. And there areeD >nonsense combos like UPI+NIL that could be given a special meaning.  N Aaah, I see now, ideas are coming and we'll get this feature sometimes/RSN ;-)   Thanks   -- 2 Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER.% Network and OpenVMS system specialisti E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:09:55 +0200h3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> D Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] What do you expect from DIR/SIZ=(ALLO,USED) ?, Message-ID: <3c9bkdF5c43r4U1@individual.net>  7 On 2005-04-14 20:13, "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" wrote:c  = > What should one expect to see when entering the DCL commands > # > $ DIRECTORY/SIZE=(ALLOCATED,USED)  >  > 1) The same as with /SIZE=ALLbC > Note: On V7.3 there were only ALL, ALLOCATED and USED, but now on % > V7.3-2 and V8.2 there is also UNITS %                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^e >  > [...]o  & Should be "blocks" vs. "KB", "MB", ...   Michaels   -- e; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.t5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.o   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2005 06:49:19 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)oK Subject: Re: [PCSI] PACKAGE vs COPY, was How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMi3 Message-ID: <nvcMwcLN+bXS@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  O In article <WGC7e.11180$Zn3.10330@trnddc02>, John Santos <john@egh.com> writes:t  D > Also, this implies that you can unzip a self-extracting archive onC > another architecture, e.g. unzip an Alpha executable on a VAX, ort@ > even on a Unix or M$ system.  (Though you'll lose the VMS file' > attributes if you do this.)  Experts?3  D In my view, the ability to unpack and get the bits wrong is just not very interesting.e  & 	http://www.ljk.com/ljk/ljk_cdrom.html  * >>>Shipping ZIP with VMS is a possibility. >>7 >> Not with all the versions that have already shipped.  > E > Isn't it on the freeware CD?  Also, GNV is on the Open Source ToolsnB > CD-ROM (at least in V8.2).  GNV includes unzip 5.42.  (At least,9 > the version I have installed on my V7.3-2 system does.)k > B > There is a big disclaimer in the V8.2 cover letter about lack of0 > any warranty for GNV, which might be an issue.  4 There is no warranty for _anything_ on the freeware.= That is a major issue for strict security and accountability.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:35:19 -0400i' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> K Subject: Re: [PCSI] PACKAGE vs COPY, was How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMl0 Message-ID: <115vurkfj2eh932@corp.supernews.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:g > In article <425eb68a$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:n >  > F >>>The tool to create self-extracting DCX archives has not been ported >>>to OpenVMS I64.   >>? >>Yes, FTSV hasn't been ported to I64 (and unlikely ever will). @ >>Isn't this another reason to switch to a tool available on all' >>platforms (namely ZIP[SFX]) instead ?  >  > @ > The primary reason to avoid self-extracting archives should be > security concerns.  I Ok, I'm dense, but I don't see any differences.  Could you be a bit more R6 specific when you come up with your security concerns?  G >>>                 Since .PCSI$COMPRESSED kits offer the same level of E >>>compression and are handled transparently by PRODUCT commands, theaE >>>decision was made to start shipping .PCSI$COMPRESSED kits from thee, >>>HP download site for both I64 and Alpha.  >  > E >>But only for some kits. A bunch of other kits (say CSWB, CSWS, ...) > >>are already in ZIPSFX. So why use different methods at all ? >  > : > Why use any of this when VMSINSTAL already exists ?  :-)  ) Now there I'm in 100% agreement with you.y  E >>I see ZIP as _the_ improvement and it would also has less confusiona >>during transition... >  > D > I see no ZIP utility shipping with VMS, and some security policies  > do not allow running Freeward.  / Well, possibly some policies could be improved?a  G ZIP is a rather widely used capability.  I'm sure that VMS engineering gG could vet a copy of it, and ship it with the OS, unsupported if that's t) an issue, but guaranteed vetted and safe.u  H Yeah, there could be a bunch of 'nits' to pick, if one choose to do so, C but having something that a knowledgable user could work with, and kI around any problems, and as much a default 'standard' as anything, would sF be a good thing in my opinion.  'Nits' could be addressed as required.  C Savesets usable by VMSINSTAL, inside ZIP archives, would be widely uE understood and usable.  With PCSI, if it's broke, most have the sole  3 option of giving up on whatever they're attempting.   H As for a log of what's currently on the system, and/or what's ever been @ on the system and deinstalled, VMSINSTAL could incorporate such.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:43:22 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>tK Subject: Re: [PCSI] PACKAGE vs COPY, was How to compress .PCSI to .PCSI$COMl0 Message-ID: <115vv9tsd1etd55@corp.supernews.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  6 > There is no warranty for _anything_ on the freeware.? > That is a major issue for strict security and accountability.m  I Warranty/Support and Security are two seperate and distinct issues.  One   does not imply the other.e   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.210 ************************e road," Marcello said."   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2005 08:40:29 -0700* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>3 Subject: Re: Microsoft J