1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 16 Apr 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 212       Contents:P Do You Want To Know For Sure That You Are Going To Heaven? The reason some peopl, Re: Flash Card reader with VMS Now available, Re: Flash Card reader with VMS Now available, Re: Flash Card reader with VMS Now available( Re: How to disable outgoing FTP service?( Re: How to disable outgoing FTP service?( Re: How to disable outgoing FTP service?( Re: How to disable outgoing FTP service? Re: Itanium ovms 8.2 migration Re: Itanium ovms 8.2 migration* Re: Microsoft Joins the Battle for Itanium* Re: Microsoft Joins the Battle for Itanium  Re: OT: Race for dual core 8086s Re: Secure wireless network + Re: Unix - VMS compatible encryption method 1 Re: What do you expect from DIR/SIZ=(ALLO,USED) ? ; Re: [OpenVMS] What do you expect from DIR/SIZ=(ALLO,USED) ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 16 Apr 2005 07:29:07 -0700 From: RonGrossi382597@yahoo.com Y Subject: Do You Want To Know For Sure That You Are Going To Heaven? The reason some peopl C Message-ID: <1113661747.377288.240770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   * The reason some people don't know for sure) if they are going to Heaven when they die   is because they just don't know.  & The good news is that you can know for* sure that you are going to Heaven which is* described in the Holy Bible as a beautiful( place with no death, sorrow, sickness or pain.   ) God tells us in the Holy Bible how simple % it is to be saved so that we can live  forever with Him in Heaven.   ) "For if you confess with your mouth Jesus * is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you  WILL BE SAVED." (Romans 10:9)   ( Over 2000 years ago God came from Heaven) to earth in the person of Jesus Christ to ( shed His blood and die on a cross to pay our sin debt in full.    Jesus Christ was born in Israel ' supernaturally to a virgin Jewish woman ' named Mary and lived a sinless life for  thirty-three years.   $ At the age of thirty-three Jesus was* scourged and had a crown of thorns pressed' onto His head then Jesus was crucified.   * Three days after Jesus died on a cross and) was placed in a grave Jesus rose from the & dead as Jesus said would happen before Jesus died.   ( If someone tells you that they are going* to die and in three days come back to life* again and it happens then this person must be the real deal.   ) Jesus Christ is the only person that ever  lived a perfect sinless life.   & This is why Jesus is able to cover our) sins(misdeeds) with His own blood because  Jesus is sinless.   & The Holy Bible says, "In Him(Jesus) we& have redemption through His blood, the' forgiveness of sins..." (Ephesians 1:7)   ' If you would like God to forgive you of ' your past, present and future sins just $ ask Jesus Christ to be your Lord and Saviour.  ( It doesn't matter how old you are or how% many bad things that you have done in & your life including lying and stealing all the way up to murder.   $ Just pray the prayer below with your% mouth and mean it from your heart and  God will hear you and save you.   ( Dear Jesus Christ, I want to be saved so) that I can have a home in Heaven with You ( when I die. I agree with You that I am a+ sinner. I believe that You love me and want ' to save me. I believe that You bled and + died on the cross to pay the penalty for my % sins and that You rose from the dead. ' Please forgive my sins and come into my ( heart and be my Lord and Saviour. Thanks& Lord Jesus Christ for forgiving me and& saving me through Your merciful grace. Amen.   ( Welcome to the family of God if you just+ allowed God to save you. Now you are a real ( Christian and you can know for sure that) you will live in Heaven forever when this  life comes to an end.   ! As a child of God we are to avoid & sin(wrongdoing), but if you do sin the% Holy Bible says, "My dear children, I + write this to you so that you will not sin. ( But if anybody does sin, we have one who) speaks to the Father in our defense Jesus  Christ, the Righteous One."   ) Those of you that have not yet decided to ) place your trust in the Lord Jesus Christ % may never get another chance to do so * because you do not know when you will die.  " This means that if you die without) trusting in Jesus Christ as your Lord and * Saviour you will be forever separated from' the love of God in a place called Hell.   * The Holy Bible descibes Hell as a place of* eternal torment, suffering, pain and agony- for all those who have rejected Jesus Christ.   + The good news is that you can avoid Hell by ( allowing Jesus Christ to save you today.* Only then will you have true peace in your, life knowing that no matter what happens you are on your way to Heaven.     Praise the Lord!  Servant of the Lord Jesus Christ Ronald L. Grossi  ( *Show this to your family and friends so% they can know that they have a choice ' where they will spend eternity. Thanks!   4 ____________________________________________________       Got Questions?( http://www.gotquestions.org/archive.html   Other Languages ' http://www.godssimpleplan.org/gsps.html    Free Movie: To Hell and Back% http://www.tbn.org/index.php/8/1.html   	 Animation % http://www.browser.to/jesus-animation    The Passion Of The Christ $ http://www.thepassionofthechrist.com   Beware Of Cults & http://www.carm.org/cults/cultlist.htm  
 About Hell# http://www.equip.org/free/DH198.htm   
 Is Jesus God? 0 http://www.powertochange.com/questions/qna2.html   Free Online Bible  http://www.bibledatabase.net    4 ____________________________________________________       The Death of John Paul II   ' John Paul II gained the whole world but & forfeited his soul. Year after year he% was the most loved and admired man in $ the world. The idolatrous veneration and adoration of this man was ( unprecedented. His devotees, who are now! singing his praises, are probably & ignorant of the strong rebuke of Jesus( who said, "Woe to you when all men speak& well of you" (Luke 6:26). Had the pope$ been devoted to Jesus Christ and His# Gospel of grace, he would have been " hated and persecuted by the world.& No one can judge John Paul's heart but' we are all called to judge the fruit of ' our spiritual leaders. Clearly this man ' was blinded by the prince of this world ( and never saw the light of the gospel or& the glory of Christ. I mourn the death# of this man, not for the reason the % world mourns, but because he rejected % Jesus as God's only provision for his % sins. I also have a solemn compassion ( for those who blindly followed this pope' and his man-centered religion. My heart $ is painfully burdened to see so many! "professing" Christians unable to $ discern truth from error and genuine" Christianity from its counterfeit.  ! The rest of this article that was $ written by Mike Gendron can be found9 at >> http://www.pro-gospel.org/main/Topics/topic-027.php     4 ____________________________________________________   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:11:12 +0100 8 From: John Wallace <johnwallace4@removethis.yahoo.co.uk>5 Subject: Re: Flash Card reader with VMS Now available C Message-ID: <pan.2005.04.16.13.11.06.505440@removethis.yahoo.co.uk>   J On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:32:17 -0400, David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:   > Answers below  <snip>" >Does the card do wear levelling ?  F >No but I can't see particular issues with this as there are no movinf >parts,  >no heads etc.I >No doubt there will be some degradation in reliability - Lexar gives a 5 J >year warranty under normal use (they don't spcify how many insertions and >extractions they underwrite)  <etc>    Oh. Pmfji...  D It seems you don't understand what "wear levelling" means. HopefullyF someone involved in the development of this neat-sounding device does. Meanwhile...  I Flash memory has a finite (and not all that large) number of write cycles E before it becomes unreliable. When used as file storage, if writes to H particular file system blocks always map to the same physical/electricalI chunk of the flash memory, then some frequently-written parts of the file E system will exhaust the write lifetime of that chunk of flash memory, I while other chunks still have plenty of life left in them. Wear levelling J arranges for the mapping between logical and physical addresses to change;J when a logical block is written, it may be written to a different physicalD block than was used last time, so the chances of premature data loss4 because of file system 'hot spots' are much reduced.  J Hence (I assume) the questions about 'wear levelling' and 'how many writes' per sector is the card guaranteed for'.   H The question re power loss probably arises because flash devices work onE an "erase/modify/rewrite" basis, and the size of data being erased is F typically bigger than the size of the block being written. If power isJ lost (or hardware fails) at an unfortunate time, data that had been erasedA can be permanently lost. Leaving the old data in place and simply E re-mapping some blocks after succesfully rewriting the new data might  minimise this risk too.   I If your device does not yet take these factors into account at some level 4 of its architecture, perhaps it is best treated as aE write-very-occasionally device, perhaps to be compared in reliability I terms with CDRW. This isn't what most VMS users are used to. Some caution  may be advised.   / Perhaps you'd like another go with your answer?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:32:45 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: Re: Flash Card reader with VMS Now available , Message-ID: <MMmdnUGrdoiXifzfRVn-gQ@igs.net>   John Wallace wrote: G > On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:32:17 -0400, David Turner, Island Computers US 
 > Corp wrote:  >  >> Answers below > <snip>$ >> Does the card do wear levelling ? > H >> No but I can't see particular issues with this as there are no movinf	 >> parts,  >> no heads etc.G >> No doubt there will be some degradation in reliability - Lexar gives A >> a 5 year warranty under normal use (they don't spcify how many . >> insertions and extractions they underwrite) > <etc>  >  > Oh. Pmfji... > F > It seems you don't understand what "wear levelling" means. HopefullyH > someone involved in the development of this neat-sounding device does. > Meanwhile... > D > Flash memory has a finite (and not all that large) number of write& > cycles before it becomes unreliable.    L I believe SanDisk rates theirs at about 100,000 writes. That's why you wouldJ not put an active log file or swap file on a device like this....ditto for* volume txn processing or a data feed file.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 11:56:44 -0400  From: "DavidT" <david@hpaq.net> 5 Subject: Re: Flash Card reader with VMS Now available 0 Message-ID: <1162cpnt0vea8b6@news.supernews.com>  K Understand what wear levels mean - but you'll need to look at www.lexar.com 5 www.sandisk.com etc to find out their specific claims 3 The card reader in itself obviously isn't effected.    --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com     E "John Wallace" <johnwallace4@removethis.yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message = news:pan.2005.04.16.13.11.06.505440@removethis.yahoo.co.uk... L > On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:32:17 -0400, David Turner, Island Computers US Corp > wrote: >  > > Answers below  > <snip>$ > >Does the card do wear levelling ? > H > >No but I can't see particular issues with this as there are no movinf	 > >parts,  > >no heads etc.K > >No doubt there will be some degradation in reliability - Lexar gives a 5 L > >year warranty under normal use (they don't spcify how many insertions and > >extractions they underwrite)  > <etc>  >  > Oh. Pmfji... > F > It seems you don't understand what "wear levelling" means. HopefullyH > someone involved in the development of this neat-sounding device does. > Meanwhile... > K > Flash memory has a finite (and not all that large) number of write cycles G > before it becomes unreliable. When used as file storage, if writes to J > particular file system blocks always map to the same physical/electricalK > chunk of the flash memory, then some frequently-written parts of the file G > system will exhaust the write lifetime of that chunk of flash memory, K > while other chunks still have plenty of life left in them. Wear levelling L > arranges for the mapping between logical and physical addresses to change;L > when a logical block is written, it may be written to a different physicalF > block than was used last time, so the chances of premature data loss6 > because of file system 'hot spots' are much reduced. > L > Hence (I assume) the questions about 'wear levelling' and 'how many writes) > per sector is the card guaranteed for'.  > J > The question re power loss probably arises because flash devices work onG > an "erase/modify/rewrite" basis, and the size of data being erased is H > typically bigger than the size of the block being written. If power isL > lost (or hardware fails) at an unfortunate time, data that had been erasedC > can be permanently lost. Leaving the old data in place and simply G > re-mapping some blocks after succesfully rewriting the new data might  > minimise this risk too.  > K > If your device does not yet take these factors into account at some level 6 > of its architecture, perhaps it is best treated as aG > write-very-occasionally device, perhaps to be compared in reliability K > terms with CDRW. This isn't what most VMS users are used to. Some caution  > may be advised.  > 1 > Perhaps you'd like another go with your answer?    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Apr 2005 02:53:04 -0700, From: "Ultra Kiasu" <ultrakiasu@hotmail.com>1 Subject: Re: How to disable outgoing FTP service? C Message-ID: <1113645184.774894.173010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   4 I had used the UCX$CONFIG to disable the FTP Client.  G But after having it disabled, I still can use FTP command to ftp out of  my machine. 8 Did I miss anything? I did not conduct a machine reboot.  F Will a reboot help? I won't wish to request for a reboot if it doesn't help. F Getting a downtime is rather difficult during the testing parallel run phrase. , But If it is a must, I will request for one.  	 Any help?    Thanks.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Apr 2005 03:17:43 -0700, From: "Ultra Kiasu" <ultrakiasu@hotmail.com>1 Subject: Re: How to disable outgoing FTP service? C Message-ID: <1113646663.038106.143400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   4 I had used the UCX$CONFIG to disable the FTP Client.  G But after having it disabled, I still can use FTP command to ftp out of  my machine. 8 Did I miss anything? I did not conduct a machine reboot.  F Will a reboot help? I won't wish to request for a reboot if it doesn't help. F Getting a downtime is rather difficult during the testing parallel run phrase. , But If it is a must, I will request for one.  	 Any help?    Thanks.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Apr 2005 06:25:45 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: Re: How to disable outgoing FTP service? 3 Message-ID: <oECVpaeXY2Dl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <42610c85$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: t > In article <1113645184.774894.173010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "Ultra Kiasu" <ultrakiasu@hotmail.com> writes:6 >>I had used the UCX$CONFIG to disable the FTP Client. >>I >>But after having it disabled, I still can use FTP command to ftp out of 
 >>my machine. : >>Did I miss anything? I did not conduct a machine reboot. > M > No, you only miss the fact, that you can't really disable the (FTP) client. 5 > All TCPIP/UCX does with disabling the FTP_CLIENT is K > not installing the image sharable (a performance issue for mulituser) and L > not defining the OPENVMS$FTP* logicals for COPY/FTP and DIR/FTP (but still@ > misses DELETE/FTP) so that these commands won't directly work. >  > But the user can> > 1) still use the TCPIP$FTP_CLIENT.EXE (via the DCL verb FTP)Q > 2) still use COPY/FTP and DELETE/FTP (via defining the missing logicals itself) = > 3) still use a private FTP client exe copied from somewhere 1 > 4) still use a browser with a ftp client within ' > 5) still use a selfwritten FTP client  > K > You could try IP security be blocking outgoing requests _to_ TCP port 21, C > but then the user is still able to access a remote FTP server via # > eg. a browser and a proxy server.  > M > Better forget the idea. You can make it more difficult, but not prevent it. $ > What are to trying to accomplish ?  H It sounds like an attempt to achieve DECnet levels of security using IP.K That is not viable in a protocol stack which defaults to no authentication.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 13:05:06 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>1 Subject: Re: How to disable outgoing FTP service? B Message-ID: <1113671128.3bb80dcee0fca9da3bc4050b02ced673@teranews>  @ Another simpler way to disable outgoing FTP is simply to set theD security of the executable file in SYS$SYSTEM so that "world" cannot read or execute the file.   A System amangers could still run FTP, but others would get a nasty % message when they attempt to run FTP.   E Also, after you have use the configuration procedure to shut down the 5 FTP client, you need to go to the INSTALL utility and   / INSTALL> DELETE SYS$SYSTEM:UCX$FTP_CLIENT.EXE     D (of whatever the exact name of the executable is for your version ofG software). This will instantly remove the entry (but not the file). And  you then do not need to reboot.   H (note that the UCX configuration utility may have done this for you. You can use:  G INSTALL> LIST SYS$SYSTEM:UCX$FTP_CLIENT.EXE (or whatever the exact file - name is) to see if it is still a known image.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2005 22:57:45 -0700 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au' Subject: Re: Itanium ovms 8.2 migration C Message-ID: <1113631065.373195.210030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    ugex wrote: 
 > Hi Guys: > F > I need to migrate all aplications in vax vms 7.1 to Itanium ovms 8.2 > (all builded in cobol).  >  > The questions are..  > F > 1.-- Can I do it direcly .. vax - vms  Itanium..? or is necesary Vax -  > alpha -itanium..?  > D > 2.- Some one knows what itanium licences I need for start ovms 8.2 > itanium..? > - ovms
 > - vms users 
 > - tcp/ip > - dvnetend > -cobol > F > 3.- some one knows what point missing me to know for this proyect..? >  > Thanks for all your comments >  > Edgar ; If your application builds shared images for use on the vax ; you have to replace your "vector entry" files. On alpha and 3 itanium this is controlled by linker options files.  Phil   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Apr 2005 09:54:33 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)' Subject: Re: Itanium ovms 8.2 migration , Message-ID: <4260e0d9$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>  j In article <1113574696.425304.268200@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "ugex" <edgar_ulloa@yahoo.com> writes:E >I need to migrate all aplications in vax vms 7.1 to Itanium ovms 8.2  >(all builded in cobol).  ) COBOL (V2.8) is already available on I64.    >The questions are.. > G >1.-- Can I do it direcly .. vax - vms  Itanium..? or is necesary Vax -  >alpha -itanium..?  C I tend to think so, though I don't know your specific requirements. K The problem in porting usually lies in implicit assumptions of the platform A (like 32/64 bit, [endianess, which isn't here an issue], platform H specific features of the compiler, memory layout) and other bad codings.: If good coded, there should be no real problem in porting. What remains, is testing...   C >2.- Some one knows what itanium licences I need for start ovms 8.2  >itanium..?  >- ovms  >- vms users	 >- tcp/ip  >- dvnetend  >-cobol   
 FOE and COBOL . http://www.compaq.com/info/XAV12X/XAV12XPF.PDF. http://www.compaq.com/info/XAV12Z/XAV12ZPF.PDF. http://www.compaq.com/info/SP4592/SP4593PF.PDF  E >3.- some one knows what point missing me to know for this proyect..?   F Assistance for porting to Itanic is available at HP's porting centers.M Assistance for porting to Alpha can be found here, but maybe no longer by HP. ; Cheap Itanic development systems are available by HP (DSPP) 5 Cheap Alpha develepment systems can be found at EBAY.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Apr 2005 04:51:47 -0700* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>3 Subject: Re: Microsoft Joins the Battle for Itanium B Message-ID: <1113652307.510813.78570@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   Bill Todd wrote: > Keith Parris wrote:  > C > His usual fluff, this time courtesy of Interex - that notoriously F > independent and unbiased adjunct to HP marketing.  Let's take a look at > some:  >  > ...  >  >   Microsoft isC > > already trumpeting the benefits of Longhorn on Itanium in a new F > > marketing drive, starting with a multi-city tour called "Route64." > D > Alan beat me to the observation that this marketing drive seems atC > *least* as much aimed at x86-64 as at Itanic.  For example, these 
 statements  E If you go on to read the course contents and rtestimony of people who F have attended the course it gets even more X86-64-centric. For exampleE "I ported our entire toolkit to X86-64 in a day". Itanium - Microsoft  have heard of it --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Apr 2005 05:13:24 -0700* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>3 Subject: Re: Microsoft Joins the Battle for Itanium C Message-ID: <1113653604.386851.270820@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    John Smith wrote:    >  > . > There was a version of NT for the Alpha too. > 6 > Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it.  B And Microsoft haven't of course. VMS co-designer Dave Cutler stillF heads up Windows 64 bit at Microsoft and worked with AMD on the designD of the X86-64 extensions. There's even a video of him on the AMD webG site talking about how wonderful the AMD stuff is. The Inquirer handily A keeps tabs on all this. Microsoft forced Intel to follow AMD. The ( writing has been on the wall ever since.  F http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16186 includes links to the Cutler video    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:55:41 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> ) Subject: Re: OT: Race for dual core 8086s 8 Message-ID: <rgk161hi8h3l6cgbmidl7ek0m5mp44j6gf@4ax.com>  K On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:52:56 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  wrote:   >Nigel Barker wrote:" >> An rx16xx is hardly 'big iron'! > N >Made before Intel admitted it had given on on IA64 for anything but big-iron.  P So? They are shipping now, will be updated to forthcoming processors & there are? follow on plans for similar class servers. Not big iron at all.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Apr 2005 14:12:05 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>$ Subject: Re: Secure wireless network7 Message-ID: <Xns963AA4DF3EBF2dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   7 %NEWS-I-NEWMSG,  wrote in news:1113588312.815390.206500  @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com   F > I secure my wireless and now i cant use it, it says that is a secureI > network. What im suppost to do to be able to get online, or disable it? 
 > Please help    Sounds secure to me. :)   ; Wireless.  Defeating air-gap firewalls since its inception.   G Incidentally, I think you've picked the wrong group to ask in.  I have  J absolutely no idea what you think the acronym VMS expands to that relates B to wireless.  There's alt.internet.wireless, that might be of use.     Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:20:56 -0500 . From: Alphaman <alphaman-nix-spam@alphant.com>4 Subject: Re: Unix - VMS compatible encryption method6 Message-ID: <a096f$4260aec8$45490192$4902@KNOLOGY.NET>   jordan@ccs4vms.com wrote:   ; > Got two servers on opposite sides of the internet; secure H > communications between them is not currently possible.  We want to addI > file encryption capabilities so that only encrypted files are sent back H > and forth (probably via FTP).  The catch:  while one server is genericH > *BSD of recent vintage, the VMS Alpha system is stuck at V7.1 (and UCXG > V4.2) with no immediate upgrade prospects.  Simple obfuscation of the E > data is not sufficient; it needs to be encrypted, though it doesn't D > look like a public key setup is required since a secret key can be( > safely set up and secured at each end. > G > The available encryption tools I've found so far (GnuPG and some Perl G > tools) seem to want VMS V7.2-1 or later (some much later).  I haven't A > found if older versions of Perl that ran on V7.1 might have the I > libraries to do encryption; ditto with GnuPG which doesn't seem to have ) > been ported to such an old VMS release.   G We're successfully running GnuPG v1.04 on 7.1-2 with UCX v4.2.  Google  G this newsgroup for info on how to build it.  You may also find info in  
 the OVMS FAQ.   E It's proved to be more than satisfactory in its interoperations with  H PGP.  Be sure to read and understand the potential security issues with G older code like this; there may be specific things that you'll want to  H avoid in a production environment until your environment can upgrade to J a later version of VMS that supports a more contemporary release of GnuPG.   Aaron    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Apr 2005 08:24:00 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER): Subject: Re: What do you expect from DIR/SIZ=(ALLO,USED) ?* Message-ID: <4260cba0@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>  Z In article <d3phpq$kin$1@news01.intel.com>, Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> writes:U >Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER writes in a message that hasn't yet appeared on my server: > >> What should one expect to see when entering the DCL command >>  $ >> $ DIRECTORY/SIZE=(ALLOCATED,USED) >>   >> What do you think ?   > C >     I actually think this _should_ be (5), a command syntax error < >(even with the "ALLOCATED" changed to "ALLOCATION"), but... > = >    a) HELP DIRECTORY /SIZE entry does NOT support a LIST of A >       options, i.e., there is no "/SIZE=(keyword[,...])", there > >       is "/SIZE[=option]", i.e., there is only the choice of: >       _single_ keyword options ALL, ALLOCATION and USED.  4 For DCL, you need a list, to enter eg. the following   	$ DIR/SIZ=(ALLO,UNIT=BYT)  1 So, the HELP could be updated, as it seems wrong.   B >    c) Finally, as near as I can tell, the CLD makes no syntacticE >       distinction between when lists of keywords are allowed versus C >       when a only single keywords is allowed.  (The best that can 2 >       be done is to add a disallow clause, e.g., > 0 >          disallow any2 (ALL, ALLOCATION, USED) > 4 >       but the CLD for DIRECTORY does not do that.)  M Exactly. But do like to see an error message (then the CLD has to be changed) M or do you like to see more than one value (then DIRECTORY.EXE has to changed)   E >     Given that no syntax error "should" be generated given the CLD, D >then we fall back to sequential processing, along the lines of (b), >and get the answer (3).  3 It is _not_ sequential. USED always wins currently.   E >     Anyone want to file an SPR against DIRECTORY for not generating  >a syntax error?  :-)    Not me, I'm afraid.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Apr 2005 08:07:25 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)D Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] What do you expect from DIR/SIZ=(ALLO,USED) ?, Message-ID: <4260c7bd$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>  z In article <2IY7e.6657$MZ2.959383@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Chris Moore" <paynoattentionto@themanbehindthe.curtain> writes:J >Tried this on systems from 7.1 thru 7.3-1 (some VAX, some Alpha), got the >same result in each case. > L >Directory listing used the last parameter of the /SIZE list ==> i.e. answer >#3   G It is answer #3, but not for the reason, that USED is last in the list. , Even if it is first in the list, it is USED.   So, try again ;-)    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.212 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ʟèR(=gh3c?4X+Ry~,~}į(/ _ʝ_6Fj>upwا}B{gEa^(Ape/T@q7v'fffDrީɹ=ĮnqS3pĶpx;071w瞙׊;ީ]9KU/ީ^s&0C[GFbCD391qc
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