1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 21 Apr 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 221       Contents: Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  RE: Could a PC do this?   Re: DCPS B&W to a color LaserJet  Re: DCPS B&W to a color LaserJet Re: FA: VMS SW kits. Re: FA: VMS SW kits. Re: Feature request  Re: FTP GUI  Re: FTP GUI  Re: FTP GUI  Re: FTP GUI  Re: FTP GUI  HP SSL for OpenVMS Re: NFS client performance Re: NFS client performance Re: NFS client performance Re: NFS client performance Re: OT: Requiem for a Feline, Re: Relative file size changes with copying?4 SHOW NET prob:  wrong info after changing IP address8 Re: SHOW NET prob:  wrong info after changing IP address8 Re: SHOW NET prob:  wrong info after changing IP address Re: Update on the boot camp P Re: VMS FAQ: changing volume label of system disk: DECnet MOP or LANCP  boot dat Re: VMS to OS X file sharing What is SMTP status code 556? ! Re: What is SMTP status code 556? ! Re: What is SMTP status code 556? ! Re: What is SMTP status code 556?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:19:19 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?, Message-ID: <OumdnTzhPcHdNvvfRVn-3g@igs.net>  F You could probably do it on a 'PC' if you used QNX or one of the other. 'real-time' operating systems such as VxWorks.  G You might also have better luck finding a wider range of controller D/A C cards that already have drivers for one of these operating systems.   I I can't offer any current thoughts on which to use - last time I used QNX  was about 12-15 years ago.   www.qnx.com  http://www.windriver.com/     J Does anybody buy VMS to do this sort of thing any longer, even though it's pretty good at it?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:34:54 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?0 Message-ID: <116dbmlicvl7i15@corp.supernews.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:d > In article <lMu9e.18006$5F3.2741@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Jon" <jwatmuff@bigpond.com> writes: > J >>Over the deacde of the 1990's I developed a set of about 200 high level N >>routines written in VMS FORTRAN for automated control of a small-scale wind F >>tunnel experiment using a microVAX II. At the lowest level, devices J >>performing high speed DAQ, were controlled using QIO's, AST's and other L >>System Services submitted by separate independent processes, e.g. up to 1 B >>MHz 16-bit double-buffered DAQ using a DRQ3B parallel interface. >  > D >    The OS kernel on your PC is not designed to handle this kind ofC >    high-interrupt realtime inputs.  It's going to get in the way.  > I >    Some of the other things you ae doing would hve to be re-engineered,  >    but could be done.  > I >    I don't care what language the original code is in, or what language H >    you implement in on the PC, you can't change the characteristics of >    the OS kernel.  > 0 >    Keeping it on VMS is clearly your best bet. >   G The problems don't appear to be with VMS, but with the relatively high   cost of the interface card.   D One solution would be to look for less expensive ways to import the G data, looking at expense both in cost of hardware, and in any required  / rewriting and/or development of device drivers.   H You don't say whether an interface card for a PC would include whatever H type of drivers and such you might need to acquire.  However, you could I look into using one of the hardware emulators, such as Charon VAX, simh,  I and TS-10 for running VMS.  That way you'd retain the event flags, ASTs,  D and the entire VMS environment.  There would be the question of VMS 6 drivers for the interface card, or hardware emulation.   Dave   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Apr 2005 22:21:48 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?, Message-ID: <3co2vrF6ncg91U1@individual.net>  3 In article <XOg7nP$g1RaL@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:d > In article <lMu9e.18006$5F3.2741@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Jon" <jwatmuff@bigpond.com> writes: >>  K >> Over the deacde of the 1990's I developed a set of about 200 high level  O >> routines written in VMS FORTRAN for automated control of a small-scale wind  G >> tunnel experiment using a microVAX II. At the lowest level, devices  K >> performing high speed DAQ, were controlled using QIO's, AST's and other  M >> System Services submitted by separate independent processes, e.g. up to 1  C >> MHz 16-bit double-buffered DAQ using a DRQ3B parallel interface.  > D >    The OS kernel on your PC is not designed to handle this kind ofC >    high-interrupt realtime inputs.  It's going to get in the way.   A Well, that's probably going to depend on the "Kernel".  There are B realtiem systems designed to run on PC class hardware.  QNX, or myB favorite, OS2000 (from the people who brought us OS9 and OS9-68K).   > I >    Some of the other things you ae doing would hve to be re-engineered,  >    but could be done.  > I >    I don't care what language the original code is in, or what language H >    you implement in on the PC, you can't change the characteristics of >    the OS kernel.  > 0 >    Keeping it on VMS is clearly your best bet.   F While that might be true, it is probably cost prohibitive to move from. a MicroVAX to anything else that supports VMS.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:49:27 -0400 , From: Carl Friedberg <frida.fried@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?7 Message-ID: <890539d905042015496ec37722@mail.gmail.com>    Hi,   K To be very brief, if this ran on any MicroVAX II, it should be possible, in G theory, to get it running on Windows Server 2003. To do this, you would L have to strip out lots of useless pieces, but that can be done. I did it fo= r @ Windows NT and Windows 2000 for non-real-time use. You just shut1 down/disable/remove all useless pieces of the OS.   E In fact, with the newer Hyperthreaded CPU's, and soon-to-be-available D multi-core processors, you will get a big performance boost by usingF an Intel processor (compared to MVII). Whether or not it is worth your/ time to spend a year doing this is your choice.   D I think the suggestion of breaking the hardware into a few pieces is# well worth considering.  Good luck.    >=20G > The application was eventually and relatively easily and successfully K > transferred to an Alpha PWS 500au running OpenVMS using the same external L > instrumentation, but using PCI equivalents of the Q-Bus hardware, e.g. th= e K > DCI-1100 replacement for the DRQ3B from The Logical Co. This PCI card and G > the OpenVMS driver is still available today ... but at a cost of $2K.   ( What is your time worth in this context?  H There's no equivalent to logical names and queues, which might be usefulF if you had them. But, I believe you could make this work, given enough6 time. If you do, get this book by Mark R. and David S:  8 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735619174/solsem   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:54:26 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?0 Message-ID: <116e1u9s0pjpr15@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 > In article <XOg7nP$g1RaL@eisner.encompasserve.org>, @ > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > d >>In article <lMu9e.18006$5F3.2741@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Jon" <jwatmuff@bigpond.com> writes: >>K >>>Over the deacde of the 1990's I developed a set of about 200 high level  O >>>routines written in VMS FORTRAN for automated control of a small-scale wind  G >>>tunnel experiment using a microVAX II. At the lowest level, devices  K >>>performing high speed DAQ, were controlled using QIO's, AST's and other  M >>>System Services submitted by separate independent processes, e.g. up to 1  C >>>MHz 16-bit double-buffered DAQ using a DRQ3B parallel interface.  >>D >>   The OS kernel on your PC is not designed to handle this kind ofC >>   high-interrupt realtime inputs.  It's going to get in the way.  >  > C > Well, that's probably going to depend on the "Kernel".  There are D > realtiem systems designed to run on PC class hardware.  QNX, or myD > favorite, OS2000 (from the people who brought us OS9 and OS9-68K).  D The original poster mentioned NT more than once.  I'd think Bob was H responding to this, since, if my memory is correct, he's mentioned some H of the 'real time' environments more than once, and would be aware that ) they wouldn't have this specific problem.   I >>   Some of the other things you ae doing would hve to be re-engineered,  >>   but could be done.  >>I >>   I don't care what language the original code is in, or what language H >>   you implement in on the PC, you can't change the characteristics of >>   the OS kernel.  >>0 >>   Keeping it on VMS is clearly your best bet. >  >   H > While that might be true, it is probably cost prohibitive to move from0 > a MicroVAX to anything else that supports VMS. >  > bill >    If you read the original post:  E The application was eventually and relatively easily and successfully I transferred to an Alpha PWS 500au running OpenVMS using the same external J instrumentation, but using PCI equivalents of the Q-Bus hardware, e.g. theI DCI-1100 replacement for the DRQ3B from The Logical Co. This PCI card and E the OpenVMS driver is still available today ... but at a cost of $2K.   G So, it appears that "anything else that supports VMS" isn't the issue.    The issue is the interface card.  D What might really be cost prohibitive is re-writing the application.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:19:17 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>  Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?/ Message-ID: <4266D565.18877.2617BDF3@localhost>   G > The application was eventually and relatively easily and successfully B > transferred to an Alpha PWS 500au running OpenVMS using the sameB > external instrumentation, but using PCI equivalents of the Q-BusH > hardware, e.g. the DCI-1100 replacement for the DRQ3B from The LogicalG > Co. This PCI card and the OpenVMS driver is still available today ...  > but at a cost of $2K.  > B > My question concerns whether this type of functionality could beB > reproduced on a PC, since this would allow thousands of lines of0 > existing high level FORTRAN code to be reused.  : [Shameless Plug (tm) Alert -- I am a CHARON-VAX reseller.]  D CHARON-VAX/XM for Windows could control the DCI-1100.  In fact, The F Logical Company is the preferred partner for CHARON-VAX I/O devices.  * Some development work would be required.    > Your highly-VMS-specific code would work unchanged in the VMS A environment provided by CHARON-VAX.  It would emulate a VAX, but  C you've already indicated that it's not a problem.  And the virtual  + VAX would be far faster than a MicroVAX II.   & Details on CHARON-VAX is available at:  &   http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:12:34 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>   Subject: RE: Could a PC do this?R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB5ECB81@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Dave Froble [mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com]=20  > Sent: April 20, 2005 9:54 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com " > Subject: Re: Could a PC do this? >=20  
 [..snip..]   >=20  > If you read the original post: >=20G > The application was eventually and relatively easily and successfully @ > transferred to an Alpha PWS 500au running OpenVMS using the=20 > same external < > instrumentation, but using PCI equivalents of the Q-Bus=20 > hardware, e.g. theA > DCI-1100 replacement for the DRQ3B from The Logical Co. This=20  > PCI card andG > the OpenVMS driver is still available today ... but at a cost of $2K.  >=20@ > So, it appears that "anything else that supports VMS" isn't=20 > the issue.=20 " > The issue is the interface card. >=20F > What might really be cost prohibitive is re-writing the application. >=20 > Dave >=20  H I have to agree with Dave. $2K is about 2 days consulting and re-writingG the application will take a great many more days to re-write on another A platform. Then there is the additional testing, documentation and G potentially 3rd party support utilities and/or programs on top of this.   F From a performance perspective, anything that runs today on a microvaxF will run on a current x86, Alpha or Itanium box, so performance should* not be an issue on any of these platforms.  E Question - if the app runs fine today on Alpha OpenVMS, and there are F equivalent PCI cards available, other than the $2K chg for the HW, why+ do you feel you need to change this at all?    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." =20    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:51:36 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>) Subject: Re: DCPS B&W to a color LaserJet 5 Message-ID: <200420051551308081%paul.anderson@hp.com>   G In article <V0Y8e.9774$go4.9100@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Jack ' Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@nospam.net> wrote:   K > Is there a way to configure DCPS such that when it is converting an ANSI  K > file into PostScript and sending it to a color LaserJet (5550 IRRC) that  K > I can tell the printer to skip the CMY passes and therefore speed up the   > overall print rate.  > ! > In other words, just print B&W.   G DCPS does nothing to control this.  There is no way in DCPS to tell the # printer to use just the black pass.   C That said, I wonder how the printer *does* know how to use just the @ black pass?  With slower color laser printers, such as the ColorD LaserJet 4550 (the 5550 is one-pass) it certainly would be faster if all four passes weren't used.   F The fact that the DCPS ANSI translator doesn't output color makes this even more silly.   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:10:50 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: DCPS B&W to a color LaserJet B Message-ID: <1114031455.5cd104f689b252d7df01cc96fed612d5@teranews>   Paul Anderson wrote:H > The fact that the DCPS ANSI translator doesn't output color makes this > even more silly.  H But perhaps it should output some postscript command proprietary to thatH printer to make it go into B/W mode where it doesn't even attempt colour passes ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:27:16 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>  Subject: Re: FA: VMS SW kits. : Message-ID: <ErC9e.1698$1Q4.30@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>  M "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>  / wrote in message news:d44o34$l05$2@online.de... E > In article <1113939917.424975.236340@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, 3 > "Martin Walker" <martin.walker@csf.co.uk> writes:  > J >> As a Compaq (now HP) reseller, we enquired specifically about this someC >> years ago.  The response was the "rule is that a Media kit/s are H >> bounded by the legal entity that bought them. They can not be used to( >> update software for other companies." >>G >> So my (our) take is that we cannot give or lend software kits to our H >> customers (or anyone else).  The only exceptions are where either theJ >> customers' own copy has not arrived yet (i.e. it's on order) or where aB >> customer holds the latest kit and needs an older version of the  >> software than HP can provide. > J > I think it has been stated here semi-officially though that it is OK forH > a HOBBYIST to borrow media for an installation.  Presumably, hobbyists$ > are not a large source of revenue. >   J I've had more than one Digital sales rep tell me that it was OK to borrow 9 and/or lend media. And that was for a commercial account.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:34:05 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: FA: VMS SW kits. B Message-ID: <1114043633.fc4049a79ca1bafd6da2795f7a2eae95@teranews>   John Vottero wrote:    K > I've had more than one Digital sales rep tell me that it was OK to borrow ; > and/or lend media. And that was for a commercial account.   D I think there is a difference between friendly exchange of media and* organised sale of media on a larger scale.  F There is also a difference between Digital/HP turning a blind eye to a? convenient friendly exchange of media and Digital/HP officially / sanctioning an official service that does this.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2005 13:29:10 -0700' From: "DL Phillips" <whohe@whoever.com>  Subject: Re: Feature requestB Message-ID: <1114028950.510949.53080@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > DL Phillips wrote: > >  > > hammond@not wrote:2 > > > In article <42600153$1@NEWS.LANGSTOEGER.AT>,> > > > peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: > > > F > > > >May I ask for a new PCSI feature, where the version number of a > > product @ > > > >is allowed to be part of the product name (in addition to > > /VERSION=).  > > > ..A > > > >I often do Copy&Paste of kits and would like to be able to  easily	 > > enter  > > > > . > > > >     $ PRODUCT INSTALL VMS732_SYS-V0600 > > > >  > > > >Currently I can only  > > > > 1 > > > >     $ PRODUCT INSTALL VMS732_SYS/VERS=6.0 	 > > > >or G > > > >     $ PRODUCT INSTALL VMS732_SYS and answer the question, which  kit  > > > > B > > > >which means I have to paste and then edit the command line. > > >   $ > > > <snipped but not forgotten:-)>  F > > Pardon my ignorance, but how does PRODUCT find the file now? Given the  > > following: > >  > > $prod list advancedserver  > > , > > The following product has been selected:> > >     CPQ AXPVMS ADVANCEDSERVER V7.3-A4      Layered Product > > " > > Do you want to continue? [YES] > > % > > Product kit in sequential format: ? > >     DKA300:[PATCH]CPQ-AXPVMS-ADVANCEDSERVER-V0703-A4-1.PCSI  > > F > > So product must have searched the directory for *advancedserver*.* toD > > find the file. I didn't give it producer or version or any other clueD > > as to what the file might be called. So, how hard could it be to allow  > > a complete file name?  > D > Well, understand what (the image behind) PRODUCT does: It actually plugs G > the product name parameter into a search string. One can confirm that  by? > passing a bogus path as the value for /SOURCE and viewing the 	 resulting  > error message: > 0 > $ prod inst ADVANCEDSERVER/source=sy7:[dba678]E > %PCSI-E-OPENIN, error opening SY7:[DBA678]*-*-*-%%%%%-*-*.PCSI*; as  > input   B Well, the search string is too restrictive. The utility expects anE exactly formatted file name. Not a good choice to limit PCSI's future @ like that. Using dev:[dir]*<string>*.PCSI and checking the filesG internals to verify the producer, version and such if needed makes more G sense. As far as I can tell, changing it to use this more inclusive and @ flexible search would not break anything. After all, the currentG requirement is that we enter either a wildcard or at least the "product  name" portion of the filename.  D Just like now, if more than one file matches the search, present the list and ask which one to use.  C > -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for  > operation $ > %PCSI-E-S_OPFAIL, operation failedE > %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error  > condition  > D > > Once product finds the file, doesn't it then learn what it needs fromC > > the contents of the file? So, what's the big deal? How about if  PRODUCT ? > > first just checks to see if there's a file that matches the 	 argument? E > > And, if I've renamed the file to, say, ADVSERV-V73A4.PCSI then so  what?  > A > ...and if the contents don't match the command line, then what?  >    %PCSI-F-INVARG, <or whatever> " %PCSI-E-S_OPFAIL, operation failedC %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error 	 condition     F > > If the file matches the argument, open it up and see what's in it. IfE > > I've given the /PRODUCER /VERSION stuff, go ahead and see if that  > > matches what's in the file.  > > 6 > > $product list CPQ-AXPVMS-ADVANCEDSERVER-V0703-A4-1* > > %PCSI-E-S_INVNAM, invalid product nameG > > %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error 
 > > condition  > > 7 > > That's just plain silly. Peter's right on this one.  > G > Perhaps, but changing now would impose a development requirement that G > could be a bit more extensive than we might think. Seems to me that a E > simple "try it one way, if that fails, try it the other way" should  be aF > no-brainer to code and implement, but there's likely more to it than6 > that or they'd have done it before we thought of it. >   C Well, since the wise and talented people who build and maintain the A best operating system in the world are actually just human (Gasp! F Blasphemy!), I can't really say what they have and haven't thought of.B Sometimes even the smartest and most talented design people in the$ world can end up on a not-best path.  ! > > PRODUCT is not well designed.   E Speculation: It looks to me like the UI design of PRODUCT was modeled  after LICENSE. Bad choice.  D > I might say that PCSI was a grand vision and a noble endeavor, but the E > execution was perhaps not up to the expectations of an audience who  has A > come to expect great vision and forethought, namely the OpenVMS  > faithful.  >   % Yes, we expect a lot, and rightly so.   E One of the claimed advantages of VMS is that its development has been G under the supervision of one entity (well, okay, with three names). One C should expect that such an OS would offer an absolutely uniform UI.   G Simple inconsistancies like SHOW PROC/ALL that should be SHOW PROC/FULL C (to be uniform with all other usages of /ALL and /FULL) have always 
 bugged me.  C Simple things. Common sense things. The fact that ANALYZE/ERROR now > tells me that the file is in a new format and I should enter aB different command REALLY bugs me. Since it's obviously checked theB file's format, how much code would it take to chain to or call theG new-format processing routine? Easy if the code is designed right. Hard  to do if it isn't.  A And, does it bother anyone else that HELP clears the screen after G "Press RETURN to continue" and then just displays "(subject) Subtopic?" > asking us to enter one of the things it has just erased? Minor8 inconvenience on an emulator, but big PITA on a real VT.  C And I don't really want to get back into an NCL / NCP discussion;-)   > > Peter is, IMHO, right on with his other requests, especially	 verifying @ > and repairing the integrity of the PCSI database outside of an > installation process.  >    Oh well, back to work.  $  -Doug (donning fire retardant suit)   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2005 12:41:03 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: FTP GUI3 Message-ID: <Su5M3+zjNMGd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <d460hf$bgm$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) writes: > L > The only graphical FTP I know of for VMS is Mozilla, and I believe it onlyN > works on the "anonymous" account, and only for pulls (gets).  Although thereN > was a push (put) functionality as part of the web publishing in Composer, it; > would probably be cumbersome to use for ad-hoc transfers.   F    There is a standard syntax for putting usernames and passwords intoC    a URL.  If you put in only the username, Mozilla will prompt you     for the password.  F    Using Mozilla or a Java-based FTP implementation probably means not    having STRU VMS.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:49:45 +0100 # From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: FTP GUI5 Message-ID: <1114022988.27998.0@eunomia.uk.clara.net>    Bob Koehler wrote:` > In article <d460hf$bgm$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) writes: > L >>The only graphical FTP I know of for VMS is Mozilla, and I believe it onlyN >>works on the "anonymous" account, and only for pulls (gets).  Although thereN >>was a push (put) functionality as part of the web publishing in Composer, it; >>would probably be cumbersome to use for ad-hoc transfers.  >  > H >    There is a standard syntax for putting usernames and passwords intoE >    a URL.  If you put in only the username, Mozilla will prompt you  >    for the password. > H >    Using Mozilla or a Java-based FTP implementation probably means not >    having STRU VMS.  >   $ TCPWare ships with an X GUI for FTP.   ------------------------------   Date: 20 APR 2005 13:54:09 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) Subject: Re: FTP GUI6 Message-ID: <20APR05.13540942@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  H ->   Using Mozilla or a Java-based FTP implementation probably means not ->   having STRU VMS.   3 Also, don't expect ODS-5 file names to be viewable.    --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 3 --            karcher.nomorespOm@waisman.wisc.edu      ------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2005 13:19:45 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: FTP GUIC Message-ID: <1114028385.596986.170140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    stinehelferw wrote: A > Have two remote sites with an encrypted data link.  Regular FTP  between D > sites.  Looking to create a very simple GUI shell for FTP to idiot	 proof the 
 > process. > C > Simply accept username/password for FTP, select file(s) to FTP to  remote6 > site with browse, provide basic logging of activity. > 6 > Running XP1000 computers with OpenVMS 7.3-2 and UCX.    D Well, there's SmarTerm and Lan Workplace Pro. I don't know if any of? them are simple enough or if they do any logging (I don't think G SmarTerm does). I don't know for if you can still get Lan Workplace Pro E but some non-technicla users were set up to use it on a regular basis  at my last workplace.   E I think you should be able to set up SmarTerm to automatically log in  and display the file browsers.  F I'm sure other terminal emulators must have FTP, probably in GUI form,  but I am not familiar with them.   You don't want   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:05:29 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: FTP GUIB Message-ID: <1114031132.e303c4cb3277f248f772c1d04b890fd8@teranews>   "Keith A. Lewis" wrote: L > The only graphical FTP I know of for VMS is Mozilla, and I believe it onlyN > works on the "anonymous" account, and only for pulls (gets).  Although thereN > was a push (put) functionality as part of the web publishing in Composer, it; > would probably be cumbersome to use for ad-hoc transfers.   E Netscape has the ability to dfo both push and pull FTP transfers with  named accounts   Try: ftp://user@host.domain.tld   ! It then prompts you for password.   @ This is with a netscape 4 vintage. The last netscape for vMS was3 netscape 3, not sure if it inludes that capability.   C But this isn't really a GUI FTP. You can't drag and drop files etc.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2005 15:16:55 -0700- From: "vichoty@gmail.com" <vichoty@gmail.com>  Subject: HP SSL for OpenVMS C Message-ID: <1114035415.777504.209840@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Hi,   G We have a module that has coded against the RSA SSL-C APIs, which share G the exact same interface as openssl except for the certificate handling 
 capabilities.   C We are considering to use HP SSL for the OpenVMS platform and would G like to know if anyone knows if HP SSL provides just the same interface  as openssl or possibly more?  @ As far as I can see, APIs like below cannont be found in HP SSL: X509_STORE_CTX_get_ex_data()$ SSLCERT_STORE_CTX_get_current_cert() SSLCERT_to_binary()    Thanks Victor   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:33:11 -0700 + From: Andrew Burghardt <abob@speakeasy.net> # Subject: Re: NFS client performance 2 Message-ID: <vdSdnZDH5vRvafvfRVn-2g@speakeasy.net>   David R. Beatty wrote:D > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:18:12 GMT, Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid> > wrote: >  > H >>Which NFS protocol version is being used? (I wasn't sure if "DNFS2" in, >>the mount data meant v2 or something else) >>B >>Unless the server does "evil cheating async writes" NFS v2 writeF >>performance can be quite bad as every write request is a synchronousF >>disc I/O on the server that must be completed before the write reply >>can be sent. >>E >>NFSv3 offers a "write to cache" variant on the write that can spead G >>things up considerably, and has a "flush" or "sync" option to let the < >>client make sure everything is commited to stable storage. >>F >>So, one possibility is that your system is using a V2 mount when the >>others are using a V3 mount. >> >>rick jones >  > + > Take a look at TCPIP SYSCONFIG -Q NFS and E > TCPIP SYSCONFIG -Q VFS, there are some parameters you might be able $ > to tune to get better performance. > = > Also, look at the /DATA qualifier on the mount, it defaults  > to 8K maximum read and write.  >  > David Beatty >  >   " Haven't made much progress here...  H HP's NFS implementation only supports v2 on the clientside, so v3 is not
 an option.  H With a lower window size (/DATA=(1024,1024)) writes are even slower. TheG default (8192) seems to give the best performance and with NFSv2, it is ! the maximum window size possible.   @ We did get about a 2x improvement in writing by moving the RAIDsH filesystem journal (it's ext3) off the RAID device and onto the internalH SCSI disk. So now we see ~0.433MB/s...still a factor of 10 or 20 of what we should expect to get. ouch.   $ TCPIP SYSCONFIG -Q NFS  1 gives: framework error: subsystem 'nfs' not found   G Did you perhaps mean net or inet instead of NFS? Is so which attributes  are worth optimizing?    Cheers   Andrew   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:37:41 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Re: NFS client performance B Message-ID: <1114043849.8242c993d49a62f2efde5becde7717eb@teranews>   Andrew Burghardt wrote: J > HP's NFS implementation only supports v2 on the clientside, so v3 is not > an option.  E Am I the only one who asked "what does HP UX's TCPIP stack have to do  with TCPIP Services for VMS ?   B Shouldn't it be VMS' NFS implementation, or DEC's Implementation ?  = Are there any HP-heritage employees employed in VMS ior TCPIP 6 engineering ? Or are they still all Digital-heritage ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 01:04:25 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid># Subject: Re: NFS client performance 2 Message-ID: <t_C9e.4276$pF2.3411@news.cpqcorp.net>  , Andrew Burghardt <abob@speakeasy.net> wrote:$ > Haven't made much progress here...  J > HP's NFS implementation only supports v2 on the clientside, so v3 is not > an option.  J > With a lower window size (/DATA=(1024,1024)) writes are even slower. TheI > default (8192) seems to give the best performance and with NFSv2, it is # > the maximum window size possible.   C Is that the TCP window size, or the size of the NFS write requestes  themselves?   B > We did get about a 2x improvement in writing by moving the RAIDsA > filesystem journal (it's ext3) off the RAID device and onto the E > internal SCSI disk. So now we see ~0.433MB/s...still a factor of 10 . > or 20 of what we should expect to get. ouch.  E What does a file write test on the NFS server itself - using O_SYNC - C give for write rates?  That, and not the NFS read speed or the link B speed is what you should use to calibrate the expectations for NFS@ write performance with protocol version 2 and no "cheating async writes" on the server.  D The server is Linux right?  I think there is a "scsi_config" utilityC that would show if the internal SCSI disc has immediate report (aka  WCE or write cache enable) set.   
 rick jones --  G oxymoron n, commuter in a gas-guzzling luxury SUV with an American flag F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...o   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 01:08:22 GMTe& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid># Subject: Re: NFS client performanceo2 Message-ID: <a2D9e.4277$pF2.1292@news.cpqcorp.net>  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: > Andrew Burghardt wrote:oK >> HP's NFS implementation only supports v2 on the clientside, so v3 is notn
 >> an option.o  F Then short of doing someting on the server side to get "cheating async> writes" you may not be able to get much more.  Purist v2 writeB performance is bounded by the speed of synchronous disc I/O on the server.   G > Am I the only one who asked "what does HP UX's TCPIP stack have to do  > with TCPIP Services for VMS ?0  D > Shouldn't it be VMS' NFS implementation, or DEC's Implementation ?  C Somehow I suspect that Andrew was indeed speaking of NFS on VMS andyF was not referring to HP-UX since HP-UX didn't come-up anywhere else in the thread.u  ? > Are there any HP-heritage employees employed in VMS ior TCPIPa8 > engineering ? Or are they still all Digital-heritage ?  F No idea. I indeed am "HP-heritage" and have been basing what I've saidD about NFS on the spec and not a specific implementation, although my@ experience is indeed based on HP-UX NFS and previous work on the) LADDIS (aka SPEC SFS) benchmarking stuff.t  
 rick jones -- gD The glass is neither half-empty nor half-full. The glass has a leak.) The real question is "Can it be patched?"tF these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...9   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:02:46 -0500w2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>% Subject: Re: OT: Requiem for a Felineo+ Message-ID: <426709C5.23406B5C@comcast.net>o   David J Dachtera wrote:  > 9 > http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/personal/cuddles.html    Cuddles's Memorial Page:  = http://www.rainbowsbridge.com/residents/Cuddl025/resident.HTMm   -- e David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:Q" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:17:00 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>5 Subject: Re: Relative file size changes with copying?r= Message-ID: <s_WdndBvL8yQYvvfRVn-1A@metrocastcablevision.com>S   Hein wrote:r   ...e  I > Finally, The EOF marker is largely meaningless in the context of an RMSiK > relative file: empty and deleted cells will be automatically skipped overeD > during  sequential read operations.  (This particular behaviour isB > documented in  the _OpenVMS Guide to File Applications_ manual.)  G Well, the behavior described would still be kind of awkward if you for cE some reason needed to move the file back and forth between two disks wG whose cluster sizes were prime relative to each other:  the file would C$ grow a bit with every new migration.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Apr 2005 17:26:02 -0700' From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> = Subject: SHOW NET prob:  wrong info after changing IP address B Message-ID: <1114043162.358297.22500@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  1 We had to change our IP address via tcpip$config.c  - Now, SHOW NET still shows the old IP address.n   How can I fix this?    Thanks!e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:52:40 -0500s2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>A Subject: Re: SHOW NET prob:  wrong info after changing IP address.+ Message-ID: <42670768.B37CCCC2@comcast.net>    tadamsmar wrote: > 3 > We had to change our IP address via tcpip$config.S > / > Now, SHOW NET still shows the old IP address.  >  > How can I fix this?g > 	 > Thanks!    See HELP SET NETWORK /ADDRESS.   -- m David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:a" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:13:46 -0400r$ From: "Chris" <an.other@not_here.ca>A Subject: Re: SHOW NET prob:  wrong info after changing IP addresso8 Message-ID: <YLF9e.5393$9G.551439@news20.bellglobal.com>  F The routine that gets called at boottime to enumerate the networks is:& SYS$STARTUP:SYS$NET_SERVICES_TCPIP.COM  K It should do the update for you, without you needing to fiddle with the SETt NETWORK command syntax    2 "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message< news:1114043162.358297.22500@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...3 > We had to change our IP address via tcpip$config.r > / > Now, SHOW NET still shows the old IP address.  >l > How can I fix this?o > 	 > Thanks!e >c   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:14:56 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG$ Subject: Re: Update on the boot camp0 Message-ID: <00A42944.2C686A4F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <1114015564.270649.225650@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com writes:< >Dear Newsgroup, >>A >I sent the following out on Monday to my distribution lists, the6G >numbers have gone up to 77% of the original registration number.  I amMG >really looking forward to seeing many of you. My only disapointment isoD >that its 8 weeks away it seems like a long time to collect my hugs. >  >Warm Regards, >Sue  7 I could FedEx you a hug to hold you over until then! :)o   -- tK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 05:26:46 +0800I From: prep@prep.synonet.comVY Subject: Re: VMS FAQ: changing volume label of system disk: DECnet MOP or LANCP  boot dat - Message-ID: <87ll7df8bt.fsf@prep.synonet.com>n  4 David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:   > Michael Moroney wrote:	 >> [snip]l  1 >> Yes.  IP uses ARP which is a separate protocolr  A > Alright. I have to ask the question: is ARP a separate ethernet D > packet type, or is it a subtype under the list of IP packet types?  B Think carefully about what ARP does and you should get the answer.   -- c< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:59:16 +0000 (UTC)e< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)% Subject: Re: VMS to OS X file sharing ) Message-ID: <d468q4$b5p$1@news.BelWue.DE>.  b In article <190420051114306915%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:F >In article <gB89e.746$Xb4.534@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, Jeffrey H.0 >Coffield <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> wrote: >a >> Or Computer 2, Jeff 0.. >>G >I have never heard of anyone getting NFS to work between Macintosh and H >OpenVMS.  I even had the TCP/IP Services NFS person at my desk once and >nothing we tried worked.> >n0 >Someone should create a customer case for this.  K I had it working in both ways, VMS as a server and as a client, reading andT5 writing. It was slow though and it was with Multinet.e   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann1   -- ME  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452>  ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot del  D-79011  Freiburg, Germanye9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.htmlp   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:35:36 +0000 (UTC)h* From: bleau@UMTOF.UMD.EDU (Lawrence Bleau)& Subject: What is SMTP status code 556?0 Message-ID: <d46eeo$ocr$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  4 I'm running OpenVMS 7.3-2 AXP with TCPIP V5.4 ECO 4.  C A user of mine had a mail message returned to him with the message:r  @ 556 %TCPIP-E-SMTP_XFAIL, remote transaction failure, comcast.net  9 I looked up SMTP_XFAIL with HELP/MESSAGE and got nothing.   : I searched for the SMTP status codes, finally found an RFC< or two, but they don't say anything about 556.  In fact, the% status codes only go up to about 554.e  1 Does anyone know what SMTP status code 556 means?    Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edur   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:52:14 -0500e From: Sam <sam@email-scan.com>* Subject: Re: What is SMTP status code 556?F Message-ID: <cone.1114030332.976188.3698.500@commodore.email-scan.com>  I This is a MIME GnuPG-signed message.  If you see this text, it means thatnE your E-mail or Usenet software does not support MIME signed messages.e  9 --=_mimegpg-commodore.email-scan.com-3698-1114030332-0009s; Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII". Content-Disposition: inlineo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitt   Lawrence Bleau writes:  6 > I'm running OpenVMS 7.3-2 AXP with TCPIP V5.4 ECO 4. > E > A user of mine had a mail message returned to him with the message:- > B > 556 %TCPIP-E-SMTP_XFAIL, remote transaction failure, comcast.net > ; > I looked up SMTP_XFAIL with HELP/MESSAGE and got nothing.d > < > I searched for the SMTP status codes, finally found an RFC> > or two, but they don't say anything about 556.  In fact, the' > status codes only go up to about 554.  > 3 > Does anyone know what SMTP status code 556 means?n  M It means the same thing that any SMTP status code 500 through 599 means: the lC recipient's mail server refuses to accept the message, permanently.p  J The exact numerical code is for diagnostic purposes only, and varies from L system to system.  Each particular mail server -- generally speaking -- may K use whatever 5xx code it wants in any particular situation where it wishes OL to inform the sender that the message cannot be delivered to the recipient, $ and the sender should not try again.  K If you want to know what a particular code means, the only way to do so is rH to contact whoever runs the mail server that issued the code.  Although G there are some specific error numbers that are commonly used to denote nI certain specific conditions, by most mail servers, this would not be the r definitive answer.      9 --=_mimegpg-commodore.email-scan.com-3698-1114030332-0009h' Content-Type: application/pgp-signatureA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitw   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----t! Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux)   @ iD8DBQBCZsD9x9p3GYHlUOIRAu2pAJ4iOJb1mrUF1PXBjpnLEutICTTaHQCeJNzG LxAq3IE4CJmAyhs1kJxM7kA= =PEeq  -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----o  ; --=_mimegpg-commodore.email-scan.com-3698-1114030332-0009---   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:15:32 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>e* Subject: Re: What is SMTP status code 556?B Message-ID: <1114031734.dfbed0a3eca8c19f3dbc0b46e7fad403@teranews>   Lawrence Bleau wrote:iB > 556 %TCPIP-E-SMTP_XFAIL, remote transaction failure, comcast.net  E When sending emails, the error code that the VMS sending SMTOP serveri gives you are meaningless.    Enable tracing of the connection  % $define/system tcpip$smtp_symb_trace i $TCPIP STOP MAIL $WAIT 00:01:00 $TCPIP START MAIL0   then send the message again.  C Once message has been sent, delete the logical, stop and start mail P again. and analyse the contents of the log file (tcpip$smtp_common:*logfile.log)  ? You may find that the receiving SMTP server has provided a veryiG meaningful message which the VMS sending server didn't bother includingh+ in the error message sent back to the user.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:01:42 +0200c- From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> * Subject: Re: What is SMTP status code 556?4 Message-ID: <4266d149$0$14187$636a15ce@news.free.fr>   Lawrence Bleau wrote:   6 > I'm running OpenVMS 7.3-2 AXP with TCPIP V5.4 ECO 4. > E > A user of mine had a mail message returned to him with the message:t > B > 556 %TCPIP-E-SMTP_XFAIL, remote transaction failure, comcast.net  < looks like should read 554 (as you said, RFC 821 stops here)G See INFO-VAX	Wed, 19 May 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 277 or Google groups  $ search, message by David Webb below:  + Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:02:23 +0000 (UTC)e From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk! Subject: Re: Request for new SMTPe) Message-ID: <c8fbbf$2q7$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>e   ../..n  @  >I have added *@yahoo.{it|fr|ca} to my 'reject-mail-from' list.  >G  >Example from my mail today... my system bounced this message, and it c was bounced back to me....  >-  >Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 20:13:52 -0500 (CDT)I1  >Message-Id: <04051820135245@firstdbasource.com>-%  >From: TCPIP$SMTP@FIRSTDBASOURCE.COM1  >To: TCPIP$SMTP  >Subject: Returned mail  >)  >---- Transcript of session follows ----L@  >554  %TCPIP-E-SMTP_XFAIL, remote transaction failure, yahoo.ca"  >---- Unsent message follows ----  >-  >Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 20:13:47 -0500 (CDT)j1  >Message-Id: <04051820134760@firstdbasource.com> %  >From: TCPIP$SMTP@FIRSTDBASOURCE.COMv  >To: irqwwwqjckwmgx@yahoo.cao  >Subject: Returned mail  >)  >---- Transcript of session follows ----eF  >%%%%%%%%%%%%                   18-MAY-2004 20:13:43.14  %%%%%%%%%%%%3  >%MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user 3CA09A38.EDD42A5BBF  >%%%%%%%%%%%%                   18-MAY-2004 20:13:44.33  %%%%%%%%%%%%3  >%MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user 3CA09ACD.E65931BEtF  >%%%%%%%%%%%%                   18-MAY-2004 20:13:45.56  %%%%%%%%%%%%2  >%MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user 3CA0EF32.F9EA4BFF  >%%%%%%%%%%%%                   18-MAY-2004 20:13:46.35  %%%%%%%%%%%%3  >%MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user 3CA14144.80B41CBD F  >%%%%%%%%%%%%                   18-MAY-2004 20:13:47.05  %%%%%%%%%%%%3  >%MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user 3CA2865D.AE018E65r ../..   1 So, ask HP/TCPIP Engineering why they changed it.-+ And remember, Google search is your friend.    HTH,   D.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.221 ************************: <1114031455.5cd104f689b252d7df01cc96fed612d5@teranews>   Paul 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transferred.< <<< PORT 83,146,44,251,7,1454 >>> 200 Port 7.145 at Host 83.146.44.251 accepted. <<< RETR larn.36U >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/vax_games/larn.36 (15636 bytes) started.e; >>> 226 Transfer completed.  14402