1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 22 Apr 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 224       Contents:> Re: changing node name: RENAME/IDENTIFIER SYS$NODE_oldnodename> Re: changing node name: RENAME/IDENTIFIER SYS$NODE_oldnodename Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Distribution Media RE: Legato NetWorker Re: Legato NetWorker Re: Legato NetWorker Re: Login mystery A Re: Problem running x-windows client (exceed) over VPN connection  Question about HBMM   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 08:31:02 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)G Subject: Re: changing node name: RENAME/IDENTIFIER SYS$NODE_oldnodename $ Message-ID: <d4aco5$rvf$1@online.de>  G In article <9hV9e.4350$Lj3.1192@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff  Hoffman) writes:    J >   No shared SCSI support on VAX.  DSSI was the option for various of the= >   low-end VAX boxes, where a DSSI controller was available.   H I have a DSSI controller on the VAX 4000/100A, but only on that machine.F Thus, no possibility to share anything (though I do use a disk on it).  G Which reminds me: that DSSI disk has a different allocation class than  I the machine itself (which is used for the SCSI disks).  Everything works  E fine.  Is there any reason to prefer them to be the same?  To prefer   them to be different?   F Which also reminds me: it also has an adapter so that one can connect F SCSI disks to the DSSI bus (it also has a completely independent SCSI I bus as well).  Is there any limit on the size of such SCSI disks one can  H connect?  This is low on my priority list, but once when testing things F out I saw some RZ26 and/or RZ28 disks show up with substantially less  than their real size.   L >   For a hobbyist cluster, one disk per architecture will usually work justH >   fine, and it's less maintenance -- and more experience with cluster ; >   operations and with common cluster configurations, too.   G For various reasons, my hobbyist cluster is located 500 km from where I E am most of the time.  At the non-cluster location, I have a couple of E standalone VAXstation 4000/60 machines connected to a really nice old E |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| 21-inch monitor.  Essentially, I use them just to run D DECwindows, so that I can log in remotely elsewhere (usually into myF hobbyist cluster).  (I also use it as a display for Mozilla running on@ another remote cluster where I have an account, since none of myC machines are powerful enough to run Mozilla.  A bit slow due to the H low-end DSL connection, but usable.  LYNX or Netscape 3.03, even on VAX,@ is good enough for many sites.  But I digress.)  Thus, I want myF hobbyist cluster, which I use for essentially everything I do, to stayF up no matter what.  Thus, I want to be able to survive the loss of anyH node; with non-shared system disks, this means that each node needs its H own system disk.  Also, when I am on-site doing maintenance etc, I want I the cluster to be up so that I have internet access etc should I need to  G consult with some online documentation or whatever.  Also, with just a  G 10 Mb/s LAN for all the traffic, it's probably more efficient for each  H node to have a direct SCSI connection to its system disk, as opposed to  being a satellite.  F Since I have just a low-end DSL connection, if there is a failure suchE that the dynamic-DNS update isn't performed, I can't get in to repair F anything from outside.  Thus, the batch job which does the DNS update D has to be rather robust (SUBMIT/RESTART, failover queues etc and of H course coded to handle failures), and of course the cluster has to stay  up.   G I also have an ISDN router which I can dial in to, and thus access the  B cluster independent of DSL and even independent of the internet.  H However, to make use of this I think I will have to add a node (perhaps J a satellite) or two which have the ISDN router as the default TCPIP route I so that I can actually log in via the ISDN router and have a functioning  C connection.  (Once inside, of course, I can use LAT (or Telnet, or  D DECnet when I finally get it configured) to get to the other nodes.)  E Which reminds me: can one have more than one TCPIP cluster alias in a B VMS cluster, one for three nodes, say, and another for another two8 nodes, and of course have them both work simultaneously?  G Nevertheless, I plan to use some VAXstation 3100 machines I have (some  I quite slow, such as the model 30, and/or diskless) as satellites, mainly  G just to get some experience with cluster operations and common cluster   configurations.   D Which reminds me: is the limit on the size of the system disk for a I VAXstation 3100 only applicable if it is a boot server, i.e. is it OK to  G network boot a VAXstation 3100 satellite off of a 2-GB VAX system disk   on a boot-server node?   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2005 07:36:21 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) G Subject: Re: changing node name: RENAME/IDENTIFIER SYS$NODE_oldnodename 3 Message-ID: <V1xnPuEYmGDw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <d4aco5$rvf$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: I > In article <9hV9e.4350$Lj3.1192@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff  > Hoffman) writes:   > K >>   No shared SCSI support on VAX.  DSSI was the option for various of the > >>   low-end VAX boxes, where a DSSI controller was available. > J > I have a DSSI controller on the VAX 4000/100A, but only on that machine.H > Thus, no possibility to share anything (though I do use a disk on it). > I > Which reminds me: that DSSI disk has a different allocation class than  K > the machine itself (which is used for the SCSI disks).  Everything works  G > fine.  Is there any reason to prefer them to be the same?  To prefer   > them to be different?   F    Once upon a time you could only MSCP serve disks which had the sameE    allocation class as the server.  IIRC this has been changed, so it 7    depends what version of VMS you want to server from.   H > Which also reminds me: it also has an adapter so that one can connect H > SCSI disks to the DSSI bus (it also has a completely independent SCSI K > bus as well).  Is there any limit on the size of such SCSI disks one can  J > connect?  This is low on my priority list, but once when testing things H > out I saw some RZ26 and/or RZ28 disks show up with substantially less  > than their real size.   E    This probably depends on the DSSI-SCSI adapter.  I think I used an 2    HSJ-10 to connect to some RA28 with no problem.   [...]  > F > Which reminds me: is the limit on the size of the system disk for a K > VAXstation 3100 only applicable if it is a boot server, i.e. is it OK to  I > network boot a VAXstation 3100 satellite off of a 2-GB VAX system disk   > on a boot-server node?  -    I don't see where that would be a problem.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:06:40 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?, Message-ID: <WeydndY3D8F0a_XfRVn-uw@igs.net>   Stanley F. Quayle wrote: > ? > Get VMS onto my Palm phone and I'll be a really happy camper.     ) Have you spoken with OVMS Engineering ;-)   @ It's just another port, and they're getting pretty good at that.   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Apr 2005 13:50:16 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?, Message-ID: <3csdonF6pve8kU1@individual.net>  6 In article <slrnd6ht4h.878.usenet@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>,( 	Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> writes:c > In article <42683D8B.14205.2B967D14@localhost>, Stanley F. Quayle <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote:  >>H >> Get VMS onto my Palm phone and I'll be a really happy camper.  Right 6 >> now, I have to settle for my laptop and CHARON-VAX. > C > Someone I know loaded Linux on his Palm, then SIMH on it, then of - > course, OpenVMS/VAX. Worked well, I'm told.   C My PDA came with Linux on it.  I haven't really had the time to try C getting a VAX (or even a PDP-11) running on it yet.  This damn work . keeps getting in the way of all the fun stuff,   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:53:43 +0000 (UTC) % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?6 Message-ID: <slrnd6ht4h.878.usenet@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>  a In article <42683D8B.14205.2B967D14@localhost>, Stanley F. Quayle <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote:  > G > Get VMS onto my Palm phone and I'll be a really happy camper.  Right  5 > now, I have to settle for my laptop and CHARON-VAX.   A Someone I know loaded Linux on his Palm, then SIMH on it, then of + course, OpenVMS/VAX. Worked well, I'm told.    -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:04:54 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?, Message-ID: <9NidnXmpNdUda_XfRVn-1A@igs.net>   Stanley F. Quayle wrote:, > On 21 Apr 2005 at 20:42, John Smith wrote:G >>> For a supported configuration, CHARON-VAX requires a dual-processor  >>> PC.  >>E >> Or a pair of dual-core Opterons or AMD Althlon 64 dual-cores?  :-)  > E > Just one.  Because of licensing issues, SRI has elected to restrict 4 > the bottom-end CHARON-VAX versions to a total of 2@ > processors/cores/hyperthreads.  The 6630 and 6640 emulators do  > require 4 processors, however.    L Even at 1x2-core that will become very interesting soon - I'm hearing rumorsG of some desktop-replacement laptops which will contain dual-core cpu's, L which will make for walking into a customer site with a VMS application demo on a laptop far more exciting.  E So the power consumption of these beasts won't be great - maybe 60-90 G minutes on a 12-cell Lion battery, but that's what power cords are for.    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 08:33:18 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Distribution Media $ Message-ID: <d4acse$rvf$2@online.de>  ? In article <JZOdncg2w5yUzfXfRVn-gw@comcast.com>, David Coolbear ! <david@thecoolbears.org> writes:    K > Some time ago I purchased a CD with VMS and, using a hobbyest license, I  I > installed VMS under SIMH. I've acquired a VAXStation 3200 and I'd like  F > to get VMS installed on it. The 3200 has a TK50 and an RX50, but no I > CD-ROM drive. HP isn't selling VMS on TK50s, so is there anyway to get  A > VMS installed? Can you get a hobbyest license for this machine?   G As far as I know, you can get a hobbyist license for ANY machine which  	 runs VMS.   F I think the best route is, on another machine, to make an IMAGE backupB of the distribution CD to a disk and install from that.  This will: probably allow a faster install than from the CD as well. E Alternatively, you could connect an external CD-ROM drive to the VAX.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:28:00 +0200 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> Subject: RE: Legato NetWorker 3 Message-ID: <001301c54725$f58c45a0$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,  E > "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote on 04/21/2005 10:07:49 AM:   	 >> Hello,  >>E >> My basic question is: is the Legato NetWorker for OpenVMS a server H >> license or only a client license, so that I must have any Do Nix with >> UNIX or Windows server?  5 > Actually it is a storage-node license, but yes, you 6 > need the NetWorker Serve to be on a non-OpenVMS box.  = > You do not want this solution in OpenVMS-only environments.   F Ohhh yes!!!! You are right. This is a requirement of my boss Leave allA what you do on the same platform. So we have Legato NetWorker for  Windows and UNIX.    Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2005 03:47:01 -0700 From: pquodling@gmail.com  Subject: Re: Legato NetWorker C Message-ID: <1114166821.235266.184410@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Jack Patteeuw wrote:E > I understand an evaluation version of this is now being distributed  with@ > recent version of VMS.  Has anyone tried it, or is using it in production ? >   B It's being trialled at the site I am running at the moment. We areG finding it's performance abysmal - twice the time as BACKUP, and that's B going to faster drives. And of course, one of the reasons they areG doing the switch (against my better judgement), is to load a DR system, / and networker doesn't handle that, at all well.   G I have been involved in some cleanups of LEgato installations that were ! not done properly, not impressed.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 05:27:07 -0700 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Legato NetWorker / Message-ID: <BE8E3BAB.C5DB%roktsci@comcast.net>   I Continuing to read others' experiences with Legato Networker on VMS, I am E reminded of another drawback. This problem is not only on VMS but all G platforms, and is of particular importance to us as Legato Partners who H provide support directly to customers. The problem being "lots of bugs".I Whenever a new release comes out, we get inundated with trouble calls for G which we have to escalate back to Legato. They have so many patches and 9 updates as is evident of their huge online Knowledgebase.   I Concerning performance issues; being direct supporters of the product, we E have always found performance issues to be caused by improper set-up, J network issues, system performance/tuning, or some third party intervening1 software. So performance issues can be mitigated.   # But DR is, and will remain, a pain.  Jeff   On 4/22/05 3:47 AM, in articleL 1114166821.235266.184410@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, "pquodling@gmail.com" <pquodling@gmail.com> wrote:   >  > Jack Patteeuw wrote:F >> I understand an evaluation version of this is now being distributed > withA >> recent version of VMS.  Has anyone tried it, or is using it in  > production ? >>   > D > It's being trialled at the site I am running at the moment. We areI > finding it's performance abysmal - twice the time as BACKUP, and that's D > going to faster drives. And of course, one of the reasons they areI > doing the switch (against my better judgement), is to load a DR system, 1 > and networker doesn't handle that, at all well.  > I > I have been involved in some cleanups of LEgato installations that were # > not done properly, not impressed.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:46:15 -0700 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> Subject: Re: Login mystery+ Message-ID: <d4bd97$crb$1@news01.intel.com>    nutznbolz wrote:G > Ken I have used foreign symbols but you have to define them ... right  > :-)   )      Is that not what LOGIN.COM is for???   = > Why not place in SYS$SYSTEM and do MCR ... for lifetime ;-)   E      If this is a hobbiest system and you're the only user, go ahead. D   On multiuser systems, especially in production envronments, I likeE   to keep SYS$SYSTEM limited to VMS and/or supported layered products F   only.  Freeware, whether zip/unzip, TeX, Perl, or whathaveyou, I putE   off on a separate disk and define symbols to use these utilities in    SYS$SYLOGIN as appropriate.   %      Its a system management thing...   I > Anyway, I prefer it this way ... somehow ... but in situations you cant  > do w/o foreign symbols  H      I still use "MCR SYSMAN", even though I use SYSMAN daily and shouldC   have defined a symbol for it. :-}   And for irregular use, MCR is F   easier to type than RUN SYS$SYSTEM:xxxxx.  But for AUTHORIZE, I haveD   a symbol "Auth*orize == "$AUTHORIZE" because I can't reliably type$   more than 4 characters accurately!  B      It all depends on your environment and style.  I've got aboutD   20 years of mistakes^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hexperience behind me which has<   led to certain choices based on ease of maintainance, etc.   	-Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2005 04:32:37 -0700$ From: juno10000@hotmail.com (Triger)J Subject: Re: Problem running x-windows client (exceed) over VPN connection= Message-ID: <d969c33c.0504220332.200a77d3@posting.google.com>   C Solved! Problem was with VPN routing. IP traffic was enabled in one A direction only. As I wrote in previous post, Alpha "couldn't see"  laptop over VPN.  D Ken, I knew definitelly that problem is NOT with wrong IP addressingA becose our application use command string like: "@runapp.com @A", B which means when you run application you "tell" your present IP to9 server, so no matter what address you have at any moment.   ; Anyway, thank you all guys , you we're helpfull as allways    _ Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> wrote in message news:<d498q9$a45$1@news01.intel.com>...  > Triger wrote: G > > Ok, guys I was experimenting by your answers and here is situation:  > > & > > WHEN LAPTOP IS CONNECTED IN LAN:  I > > 1. "set display...decw$clock..." routine works fine, clock appears on  > > laptop screen I > > 2. Telnet from Alpha server to laptop works fine (when I start telnet   > > server on laptop, of course) > > % > > WHEN LAPTOP IS CONNECTED WIA WPN:  > > ? > > 1. "set display....@decw$clock..." doesn't work, got error: 0 > >         "x toolkit error: can't open display4 > >          %dwt-f-nomsg, Message number 03AB8204 " > > 7 > > 2. Telnet from Alpha server to laptop doesn't work  2 > >        "Invalid or unknown host <ip address> " > > I > > Obviosly, problem could be that Alpha "cannot see" laptop over VPN ??  > > Am I right ??  > 2 >      There's not enough information here, but... > A >      I use my laptop connected directly to the lan while in the F >   office.  When I take my laptop home, I connect to the internet viaG >   ADSL (Verizon), then VPN to "work".  Here are several observations:  > ? >      Laptops usually are configured for DHCP, at least that's D >   universally the case in my environment, so on any one day, I mayB >   have a different IP address from the day before (actually, theB >   work one is pretty consistent due to "lease" times, etc.).  AtC >   home, the ADSL connection gives me a different IP address.  And C >   finally, when I make the VPN connection, I have yet a different  >   IP address.  > C >      When you try to connect to your laptop from the Alpha (e.g., E >   via telnet), are you sure you're using the correct-at-that-moment H >   IP address of your laptop?  Does your laptop have a fixed IP addressE >   when connected to the LAN and/or is its domain name registered in  >   DNS? > G >      While others have hinted at firewall or similar issues, you need G >   to confirm that at least your outgoing telnet, and SET DISPLAY, are F >   using the correct IP address of your laptop when its connected via >   VPN. > D >      Assuming this is the problem, that the Alpha is trying to getD >   to the laptop using the "fixed LAN" address, rather than the VPN> >   address, I can outline how I manage this in a more-or-less# >   transparent way under Exceed...  >  > 	-Ken    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2005 08:45:09 -0700" From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com Subject: Question about HBMMB Message-ID: <1114184709.608969.10180@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  E When setting up a policy for MiniMerge, the parameter RESET_THRESHOLD E is used to determine how many modified blocks are recorded before the @ bitmap is "eligible to be cleared" (Quote is from the VMS HELP).  A My question relates to how the "UP" systems behave regarding this " parameter when a system is "DOWN".  D i.e., if a system crashes, however master bitmaps are being maintainG for all required volumes on one of the remaining nodes, what do they do ? if RESET_THRESHOLD is reached, and the crashed node has not yet  returned to the cluster.  D The thought that they are going to be reset, gives me a bad feeling,1 but maybe I am not thinking it through correctly.   & I can only think of 2-3 possibilities;  : 1.  the bitmap is extended until the crashed node returns.= 2.  the bitmap is discarded and a full merge must take place. @ 3.  I/O to the volume is stopped until the crashed node returns.  E #2 strikes me a most likely, however I would really like to hear what G the ACTUAL behaviour is.     I am intrigued by the phrasing of the HELP 7 text, i.e. the bitmap becomes "eligible" to be cleared. B Does this mean that it might not be cleared, but extended instead?   thanks   Dave Baxter.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.224 ************************