1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 23 Apr 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 226       Contents:7 Re: CDE under DECwindows: customization, documentation? 7 Re: CDE under DECwindows: customization, documentation? 7 Re: CDE under DECwindows: customization, documentation? > Re: changing node name: RENAME/IDENTIFIER SYS$NODE_oldnodename Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  Re: Could a PC do this?  RE: Could a PC do this? * Cyrillic fonts with Mozilla and DECwindows Re: Distribution Media7 Re: HP and IntelR Developer Workshops Update / Reminder 7 Re: HP and IntelR Developer Workshops Update / Reminder  Problems with xdm  Re: Slow Filesystem I/O  Slow Filesystem I/O  System disk migration problem ! Re: System disk migration problem ! Re: System disk migration problem ! Re: System disk migration problem   Re: two questions about MINICOPY  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2005 05:51:30 -0700+ From: williams.dan@gmail.com (Dan Williams) @ Subject: Re: CDE under DECwindows: customization, documentation?= Message-ID: <26c11a64.0504230451.77f0eaab@posting.google.com>   A > I can't help but agree, it's an incredibly hostile environment. G > And why, please someone explain, is it still referred to as the "New  F > Desktop Environment" a full 10 years after it first appeared and is 0 > probably the only OS that still ships with it.H > It's no wonder we're considered a legagcy OS: where is KDE, Gnome, or % > GOD FORBID a newer proprietary GUI.   ) It is still shipped with Solaris as well.    Dan    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:58:13 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>@ Subject: Re: CDE under DECwindows: customization, documentation?1 Message-ID: <FDrae.4424$Cm4.562@news.cpqcorp.net>   0 "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote in message/ news:1114207221.48435.0@demeter.uk.clara.net...  > Ken Fairfield wrote:   > > F > > Can anyone provide an answer to that question?  Can aynone suggestC > > a good starting point to learn about custom CDE (as implemented  > > under DECwindows)? > >  > >     Thanks, Ken  > A > I can't help but agree, it's an incredibly hostile environment.   I *CDE* is the hostile environment if you want to put it that way.  Lots of E moving parts, few of which are well documented.  Pretty much anything D you can do in a UNIX environment (aside from some tooltalk apps) you8 can find the equivalent files in the CDE directory tree.  F > And why, please someone explain, is it still referred to as the "NewE > Desktop Environment" a full 10 years after it first appeared and is 0 > probably the only OS that still ships with it.  2 I dunno.  Maybe because we still ship the old one.  G > It's no wonder we're considered a legagcy OS: where is KDE, Gnome, or % > GOD FORBID a newer proprietary GUI.   H CDE is still a requirement in most markets.  KDE and Gnome are out thereK in source form - go ahead and port it.  If and when either of these becomes I a requirement for a large portion of the customer base - or some critical , application - then perhaps VMS will port it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:50:27 +0100 # From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> @ Subject: Re: CDE under DECwindows: customization, documentation?< Message-ID: <1114267762.13102.0@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net>   FredK wrote:2 > "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote in message1 > news:1114207221.48435.0@demeter.uk.clara.net...  >  >>Ken Fairfield wrote: >  > E >>>Can anyone provide an answer to that question?  Can aynone suggest B >>>a good starting point to learn about custom CDE (as implemented >>>under DECwindows)?  >>>  >>>    Thanks, Ken >>A >>I can't help but agree, it's an incredibly hostile environment.  >  > K > *CDE* is the hostile environment if you want to put it that way.  Lots of G > moving parts, few of which are well documented.  Pretty much anything F > you can do in a UNIX environment (aside from some tooltalk apps) you: > can find the equivalent files in the CDE directory tree. >  > F >>And why, please someone explain, is it still referred to as the "NewE >>Desktop Environment" a full 10 years after it first appeared and is 0 >>probably the only OS that still ships with it. >  > 4 > I dunno.  Maybe because we still ship the old one. >  > G >>It's no wonder we're considered a legagcy OS: where is KDE, Gnome, or % >>GOD FORBID a newer proprietary GUI.  >  > J > CDE is still a requirement in most markets.  KDE and Gnome are out thereM > in source form - go ahead and port it.  If and when either of these becomes K > a requirement for a large portion of the customer base - or some critical . > application - then perhaps VMS will port it. >  >  >   I I find your last statement worthy of a sad-head-shake. No, sorry I'm not  H a billion-dollar corporation so me personally taking on a port of Gnome D might *just* be out of my reach. And the inference that things only E change when customer-driven may be commercially sound but I find the   lack of ambition disappointing.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:27:08 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)G Subject: Re: changing node name: RENAME/IDENTIFIER SYS$NODE_oldnodename $ Message-ID: <d4dbec$m7a$1@online.de>  B In article <%kfae.184$Nc.104@trnddc08>, John Santos <john@egh.com> writes:   D > Even 10Mb/s is surprisingly fast for lots of stuff.  One key is to@ > make sure you have an ethernet switch, rather than just a hub." > This can make a huge difference.  G At the moment, I have a DECrepeater, which is essentially a hub rather  C than a switch, I believe.  Can one somehow quantify how "huge" the   difference is?  E > You might want to consider getting a cheap old DECServer (should be D > cheap on Ebay), and connecting one port to a dialup modem, and theH > rest via null-modems to the console ports of your other systems.  ThenB > you could dial in and reboot things, fix network routes, etc. ifE > necessary.  The server could offer the various console ports as LAT J > services, so you could connect to a dead or down system from any workingH > system, using SET HOST/LAT.  (If you have a DS90/DS700 (or later) thatG > supports TCP/IP, you could also TELNET in from the outside and do the  > same.)  D I have some DECserver 200 and 250, but they don't support TCPIP.  I I don't have a modem per se, just an ISDN router.  I suppose I could add a  F couple of small machines (VAXstation VLC, for example) to the cluster H and set them up for TCPIP via the ISDN router, which I can dial in to.  G From there, I could go via LAT to a terminal server, and from there to  H the consoles of the other machines.  Or perhaps SET HOST/DTE would work?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 01:10:59 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?, Message-ID: <4269D8D9.1B91E9D6@teksavvy.com>   Tom Linden wrote: H > Itanium is on life support, I'll give you odds that it will be dropped > within a year.  E I think the decision was made in 2004. It will be dropped by 2007. By % question is when HP will admit to it.   @ HP can't afford to lose half their customers. (those who are not* interested in a full fledged port to IA64)    O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:42:51 +0200 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?= Message-ID: <426a18b1$0$67262$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Tom Linden wrote:  > H >>Itanium is on life support, I'll give you odds that it will be dropped >>within a year. >  > G > I think the decision was made in 2004. It will be dropped by 2007. By ' > question is when HP will admit to it.  > B > HP can't afford to lose half their customers. (those who are not, > interested in a full fledged port to IA64) >  > Q > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- U > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups M > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----   H If Intel honor their promise that they will make IA64 use the same chip G sets as x86-64 in 2007, then IA64 can be kept alive on a low budget by  I putting more and more cores on the same chip without designing new cores.   D But x86-64 is a severe threat to IA64.  At current x86-64 lacks the G glue, i.e. chip sets etc. to build big iron machines.  I think it will  H get it by 2007 when Intel introduces the new interface to chip sets.  I F cannot think of any reason why x86-64 would not scale just as well on G IA64 from then on, and x86-64 might very well have twice as many cores  	 per chip.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 05:52:44 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>   Subject: Re: Could a PC do this?( Message-ID: <opspord6vjzgicya@hyrrokkin>  K On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:42:51 +0200, Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam>    wrote:   > JF Mezei wrote:  >> Tom Linden wrote: >>J >>> Itanium is on life support, I'll give you odds that it will be dropped >>> within a year.J >>   I think the decision was made in 2004. It will be dropped by 2007. By( >> question is when HP will admit to it.D >>  HP can't afford to lose half their customers. (those who are not- >> interested in a full fledged port to IA64) K >>   ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet   
 >> News==---- D >> http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!   >> 120,000+ NewsgroupsJ >> ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption   >> =---- > K > If Intel honor their promise that they will make IA64 use the same chip   J > sets as x86-64 in 2007, then IA64 can be kept alive on a low budget by  K > putting more and more cores on the same chip without designing new cores.  > G > But x86-64 is a severe threat to IA64.  At current x86-64 lacks the   J > glue, i.e. chip sets etc. to build big iron machines.  I think it will  K > get it by 2007 when Intel introduces the new interface to chip sets.  I   I > cannot think of any reason why x86-64 would not scale just as well on   J > IA64 from then on, and x86-64 might very well have twice as many cores   > per chip. *   Intel is for the first time reactive seeB http://www.eet.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=161500957   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:28:58 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>   Subject: RE: Could a PC do this?R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB5ECC72@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message------ > From: Tom Linden [mailto:tom@kednos.com]=20  > Sent: April 22, 2005 10:53 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com " > Subject: Re: Could a PC do this? >=20H > On 23 Apr 2005 01:02:48 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote: >=203 > > In article <42695693.22166.2FE034B9@localhost>, 9 > > 	"Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes: 4 > >> On 22 Apr 2005 at 22:26, Bill Gunshannon wrote:< > >>> Nothing has come out yet with enough performance to=20 > match, much less > >>> emulate the Alpha. > >>( > >> Not yet.  Give it 10 or 15 years... > >> > > G > > How's that?  5 years for Itanium to die and then 10 more to develop  > > the new architecture? H > Itanium is on life support, I'll give you odds that it will be dropped > within a year. > >     ! Ok, what odd's are you providing?   & I will be glad to take some of that ..   :-)   B "Longhorn Server to Align With Itanium" - April 11, 2005 (Next Gen Microsoft Windows)8 http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/erp/article.php/3496866  5 "SGI gives Intel Itanium big leg up" - April 18, 2005 + http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=3D22601   C "Fujitsu to launch new PrimeQuest Itanium servers" - March 17, 2005 / http://www.itworld.com/Comp/1361/050317fujitsu/     H And even though AMD is doing well on the x64 front (which I suspect will: continue) , the analysts are looking at the whole picture-  A "AMD posts loss, will spin off memory-chip unit" - April 13, 2005 H http://news.com.com/AMD+posts+loss%2C+will+spin+off+memory-chip+unit/210$ 0-1006_3-5669787.html?tag=3Dnefd.top   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:07:57 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)3 Subject: Cyrillic fonts with Mozilla and DECwindows $ Message-ID: <d4ddqt$ra8$3@online.de>  H I asked this question a while back, but never got a satisfactory answer.  D Out of the box, Cyrillic fonts wouldn't display at all with Mozilla A running on VMS with DECwindows.  I hunted down some fonts on the  G internet, installed them and now I can see Cyrillic letters, but there  A is only one size, one shape and one strength.  HTML, in tags like F <H1>, <ADDRESS> etc, with "normal" fonts results in a different size, I shape or strength than the default.  What do I need to do to get this to  I work with Cyrillic fonts?  Obviously, I need the fonts.  Is it enough to  * simply install them like I did the others?  . What fonts do I need and where can I get them?  A What I really need to understand, perhaps, is how HTML code gets  E translated to a request for a specific font and, if that font is not  H available, how the substitution (hopefully to the most similar font) is 
 performed.  G Assuming I can't find the fonts I need (which is rather unlikely---the  E Cyrillic fonts I have were developed for unix platforms, as far as I  F know, and work fine on VMS), is there any way I can create the ones I > need (other sizes, shapes and strengths) from the ones I have?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 03:07:53 -0500 ' From: Eric Josephson <news@valenet.org>  Subject: Re: Distribution Media 2 Message-ID: <GcydndGAZ7bEn_ffRVn-pw@speakeasy.net>  9 On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:14:48 -0700, David Coolbear wrote: K > Some time ago I purchased a CD with VMS and, using a hobbyest license, I  I > installed VMS under SIMH. I've acquired a VAXStation 3200 and I'd like  F > to get VMS installed on it. The 3200 has a TK50 and an RX50, but no I > CD-ROM drive. HP isn't selling VMS on TK50s, so is there anyway to get  A > VMS installed? Can you get a hobbyest license for this machine?   F I used an InfoServer to install VMS on my 3200.  They're a lot cheaper+ and easier to find than a qbus scsi card.      Regards,   -- Eric Josephson        ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 22:52:12 -0700 # From: Joe Bloggs <JBloggs@acme.com> @ Subject: Re: HP and IntelR Developer Workshops Update / Reminder8 Message-ID: <6aoj61heciqi3gfkl0kclib1hiog4qha03@4ax.com>  E On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:11:53 -0400, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>  wrote:  D >The following info may be of interest to those on this list server: > I >http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/bus/bus_BusDetailPage_IDX/1,1252,6045,00.  >html  >  >[extract from url]  >...F >Purchase a specially priced rx1620 HP Integrity server for $2,000 andB >you receive everything you need to complete the migration of yourE >products to the performance-leading, industry-standard architecture. I >Beyond the HP Integrity server, this package includes training delivered G >by engineers who have provided the foundation of support for developer D >adoption of Itanium(r) and share not only the fundamentals, but the: >insider tips on how to smoothly migrate you application.  >...  3 Can anyone speak to the (planned) product lifetime   for the rx1620, versus VMS?     , is the rx1620 likely to be supported on VMS > only for 1 or 2 more dot-releases?  or otoh, longer than that?  2 Namely, I wanted to judge the suitability of using: the rx1620 for VMS development, out to 2-3 years from now.   thoughts/comments?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:08:42 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) @ Subject: Re: HP and IntelR Developer Workshops Update / ReminderL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2304050608400001@user-uinj46o.dialup.mindspring.com>  C In article <6aoj61heciqi3gfkl0kclib1hiog4qha03@4ax.com>, Joe Bloggs  <JBloggs@acme.com> wrote:   F >On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:11:53 -0400, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> >wrote:  > E >>The following info may be of interest to those on this list server:  >>J >>http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/bus/bus_BusDetailPage_IDX/1,1252,6045,00. >>html >> >>[extract from url] >>... G >>Purchase a specially priced rx1620 HP Integrity server for $2,000 and C >>you receive everything you need to complete the migration of your F >>products to the performance-leading, industry-standard architecture.J >>Beyond the HP Integrity server, this package includes training deliveredH >>by engineers who have provided the foundation of support for developerE >>adoption of Itanium(r) and share not only the fundamentals, but the ; >>insider tips on how to smoothly migrate you application.   >>...  > 4 >Can anyone speak to the (planned) product lifetime  >for the rx1620, versus VMS?   > - >is the rx1620 likely to be supported on VMS  ? >only for 1 or 2 more dot-releases?  or otoh, longer than that?   A There are no plans to retire VMS support for any of the Integrity J servers.  VMS typically supports systems for a very long time, well beyondJ the availability of official hardware support.  If VMS gets too big to fitI in the largest supported disk or memory configuration, a system is likely I to be dropped from the support list for new versions of the OS.  Selected I older versions of VMS are supported on old hardware indefinitely, as long 8 as there are customers willing to buy support contracts.  F (One exception: rx2600 systems with McKinley CPUs were "supported" forI evaluation in V8.0, but are not on the support list for V8.2 and beyond.  J The systems still run V8.2 just fine.  They had been out of production forI years when V8.2 shipped, and they were left off the list just to simplify J support considerations.  If there had been any discernable demand, I think( they would have been added to the list.)  H Look at the list of Alpha systems still supports in V8.2.  And note thatG VAX/VMS V5.5-2 is still supported (via Prior Version Support contracts, E which cost extra.)  I expect Integrity will get a comparable level of  support.  H I don't think there are any offical statements about long-term Integrity support yet.  3 >Namely, I wanted to judge the suitability of using ; >the rx1620 for VMS development, out to 2-3 years from now.   D VMS engineering is buying rx1620 systems and plans to use them a lotD longer than 2-3 years.  There will likely be one or two CPU upgradesD available for the systems, depending on what Intel decides to offer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:59:57 GMT 3 From: Michael Grunditz <michael.grunditz@telia.com>  Subject: Problems with xdm1 Message-ID: <94ae38604d.michael@privat.utfors.se>    Hi  B I am running xdm on my vax with OVMS 7.3. I cannot use xdm from myC linux box ,using X -query ipadress, but I can use it from my acorn. ( In linux I get "client 1 rejected",why ?     /Michael Grunditz    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:25:04 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>   Subject: Re: Slow Filesystem I/O8 Message-ID: <2spk61dmt8o21f3h8qt3tvgblfmpjchdiu@4ax.com>  E On 23 Apr 2005 08:11:45 -0700, ksidibaba@gmail.com (ksidibaba) wrote:   F >Working for the first time on an openVMS system, I found the file I/OC >performance to be extremly slow compared to a wintel notebook. The D >openVMS platform I am using is a DS15, running openVMS 7.3, patchedE >with the recommended patches from HP in order to run Java 1.4.2. The G >file I/O operations involved consist in writing a log file from a Java F >program (i.e. an ODS 5 file). Writing approximately 80MB of data to aG >file takes about 60-80s, on a notebook about 8s (4s on a standard PC). B >The same happens when copying the same file to the same directoryE >under a different name using dd from GNV (in order to eliminate Java @ >as the possible origin of the problems). Because I'm still veryF >unexperienced with the platform, I suspect some of the quotas, amountE >of buffers, etc, to be not well configured. The system consists of a B >DS15 with 1GB of RAM, 1 GHz Alpha CPU, 2x36 GB 15K 320 SCSI disksC >(which I would normally expect to be pretty quick when it comes to  >disk I/O operations).& >Any hint/help would very appreciated. >Thanks, >  >Karim  M One major difference is that on Windows you are writing to cache & then using O lazy write to get the contents onto disk. When OpenVMS says it has completed an O I/O it really has written it to disk. Having said that there probably are a lot P of performance optimisations that you can do particularly if you are using Java.E I suggest that you take a look at the OpenVMS Java Optimisation guide N http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ebusiness/optimizingsdkguide/optimizingsdkguide.html   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2005 08:11:45 -0700% From: ksidibaba@gmail.com (ksidibaba)  Subject: Slow Filesystem I/O= Message-ID: <3dd11af5.0504230711.4edaa421@posting.google.com>   E Working for the first time on an openVMS system, I found the file I/O B performance to be extremly slow compared to a wintel notebook. TheC openVMS platform I am using is a DS15, running openVMS 7.3, patched D with the recommended patches from HP in order to run Java 1.4.2. TheF file I/O operations involved consist in writing a log file from a JavaE program (i.e. an ODS 5 file). Writing approximately 80MB of data to a F file takes about 60-80s, on a notebook about 8s (4s on a standard PC).A The same happens when copying the same file to the same directory D under a different name using dd from GNV (in order to eliminate Java? as the possible origin of the problems). Because I'm still very E unexperienced with the platform, I suspect some of the quotas, amount D of buffers, etc, to be not well configured. The system consists of aA DS15 with 1GB of RAM, 1 GHz Alpha CPU, 2x36 GB 15K 320 SCSI disks B (which I would normally expect to be pretty quick when it comes to disk I/O operations). % Any hint/help would very appreciated.  Thanks,    Karim    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2005 03:33:55 -0700A From: "robert.heyes@btinternet.com" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> & Subject: System disk migration problemB Message-ID: <1114252435.387110.74010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  E I've migrated all of my data off a 3shelf SAN into a 6Shelf SAN using F Image backups and thats all fine, databases start and everything worksG OK. Came to do the system disk using the disk to disk method and when I ' use the new system disk it replies that F sys$sysroot:[sysexe]netconfig.dat cannot be read. Tried a disk to tapeE and back to the new disk restore and that does the same. System is an 4 ES40 cluster, VMS 7.2-1. Any ideas much appreciated.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:44:41 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)* Subject: Re: System disk migration problem( Message-ID: <d4dfvp$30$1@news.BelWue.DE>   In article <1114252435.387110.74010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "robert.heyes@btinternet.com" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> writes:F >I've migrated all of my data off a 3shelf SAN into a 6Shelf SAN usingG >Image backups and thats all fine, databases start and everything works H >OK. Came to do the system disk using the disk to disk method and when I( >use the new system disk it replies thatG >sys$sysroot:[sysexe]netconfig.dat cannot be read. Tried a disk to tape F >and back to the new disk restore and that does the same. System is an5 >ES40 cluster, VMS 7.2-1. Any ideas much appreciated.   M Sounds as if either this file is corrupt or it was open during backup and the O system wrote to it while it was backup'ed. Shut down DECnet and try to copy the M file from the original disk. Alternatively try a "ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR" on the  new system disk.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 09:34:45 -0400 + From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net> * Subject: Re: System disk migration problemA Message-ID: <6.2.3.0.2.20050423093437.025559f8@mail.patmedia.net>   9 At 06:33 AM 4/23/2005, robert.heyes@btinternet.com wrote: F >I've migrated all of my data off a 3shelf SAN into a 6Shelf SAN usingG >Image backups and thats all fine, databases start and everything works H >OK. Came to do the system disk using the disk to disk method and when I( >use the new system disk it replies thatG >sys$sysroot:[sysexe]netconfig.dat cannot be read. Tried a disk to tape F >and back to the new disk restore and that does the same. System is an5 >ES40 cluster, VMS 7.2-1. Any ideas much appreciated.   F The best way to do this is to boot from an installation CD and do the D disk to disk image backup that way. If you have disk shadowing, you E can shadow your system disk, break the shadow and then do the backup  E from the now unshadowed member.  The last way to do it is to use the  D "/ignore=interlock" option on the backup command. That will cause a F warning to come out, but the backup will still succeed. Make sure you ; use the "/image" option or your new disk won't be bootable.    Ken Robinson     ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:04:08 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)* Subject: Re: System disk migration problem$ Message-ID: <d4dkko$7ku$1@online.de>  G In article <d4djri$s1l$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Robert - Heyes" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> writes:    O > > The best way to do this is to boot from an installation CD and do the disk  N > > to disk image backup that way. If you have disk shadowing, you can shadow K > > your system disk, break the shadow and then do the backup from the now  < > > unshadowed member.  The last way to do it is to use the H > > "/ignore=interlock" option on the backup command. That will cause a N > > warning to come out, but the backup will still succeed. Make sure you use ; > > the "/image" option or your new disk won't be bootable.  > >  > > Ken Robinson > M > I did boot off the install CD and do the image backup disk to disk, I also  H > did a disk to tape and on restoring both didnt work. I have done this  > several times.  1 In that case, it sounds like the file is corrupt.   G > I have got software shadowing but not set up, everything is hardware  M > mirrored on the HSG80 controllers. If I wanted to do software mirroring on  M > my original system disk how would I go about it? I am guessing boot off CD  L > into $$$ and then set it up in there, but how would VMS know which volume M > would be shadowed, ie. which disk is the source and which is the target? I  & > will also try the other suggestion.    No, don't boot from CD.   % Edit MODPARAMS.DAT along these lines:    ! shadowing 9 ALLOCLASS=22              ! could be any number up to 255 ; TAPE_ALLOCLASS=22         ! should be the same as ALLOCLASS 2 SHADOWING=2               ! this enables shadowing@ SHADOW_MAX_COPY=1         ! default is 4; I use 1 for a slow LAN ! system-disk shadowing > SHADOW_SYS_DISK=1         ! this enables system-disk shadowing: SHADOW_SYS_UNIT=122       ! could be any number up to 9999  H The defaults for the other shadowing parameters are probably OK, but you< do need to set the above ones explicitly, except perhaps for SHADOW_MAX_COPY.    G (Note that ALLOCLASS has nothing to do with shadowing directly.  Since  = its original use was for dual-ported disks, I found it a bit  C counterintuitive that is required for shadowing, since some of the  G features of dual-ported disks can also be had via shadowing.  It turns  G out that this is needed to make the names of the disks short enough to  @ fit into the SCB.  You can't shadow tapes, but if you are using F allocation-class names for disks, it would make sense to use them for  tapes as well.)   E Then run AUTOGEN at least through SETPARAMS and after the reboot the  B system disk will show up as a one-member shadow set.  Use a MOUNT ? command to add another member or two (if you add two, add them  F simultaneously).  ONLY DO THIS ONCE!  At subsequent boots, the system H will add the previous members of the system-disk shadow set to the boot H device.  Don't add any MOUNT commands for the system-disk shadow set to G the startup procedures!!!  For other shadow sets, you DO need to mount  = them with MOUNT/SHADOW sometime, probably during the startup.   H You can have a list of boot devices.  If you put all the members of the G shadow set in this list, then the system will boot as long as at least   one of them is available.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:32:30 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)) Subject: Re: two questions about MINICOPY $ Message-ID: <d4dboe$m7a$2@online.de>  H In article <426a10b9$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:    y > In article <d4c04s$97r$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: ^ > >In article <d4bh77$etg$1@news01.intel.com>, Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> writes: 6 > >>      A kit: VMS732_HBMM-V0200 is the current one. > > K > >Is there any way for a hobbyist to get this kit?  Obviously it's not on  - > >my 7.3-2 CDs, since they pre-date the kit.  > 6 > 	ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V7.3-2/ > M > Whe you look in ALPHA_V732_MASTER_ECO_LIST.txt there, you see that you need L > VMS732_PCSI V1.0 and VMS732_UPDATE V3.0 (which itself contains at least 22P > ECOs - HBMM is one) and then you could also install the rest (17) of the ECOs.  H Yes, I've downloaded them all already.  Since someone said that it was aC "kit" as opposed to a "patch", I assumed that it wouldn't be at the D patch site (and assumed that the HBMM stuff there was a patch to the! kit, rather than the kit itself).    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.226 ************************                                                                       with you , 
I had a stalker who would follow me arounf phone at odd hours the
works !!! police were helpless or could not help , 
The phone i solved with an old Recorder head , kept it by the phone
everytime he called I took the most air in as i could and BLEW the
recorder into his ears, that stopped him after 4 times. 
The house stalking was worse. but one day i spotted him sitting in his
car , we were lucky to live next to 4 kindergarten , i called the
police and told them a suspicious looking man sits By the kindergarten
gate ,,,,, police came in minutes ,,, took him away . 
than he dropped it. Several months later a friend tells me same story
,, we realized it was Same man !!! we agreed that she will make a date
with him, We both came to the metting and told him straight away that
the next time we even see his shadow we will tell his wife ,, that
stopped it all !!!! 
mirjam 

>While I appreciate your sentiments (I don't have youngsters to worry 
>about), I resent (speaking of SPAM) having my life intruded upon.  It is 
>no different than my owning a home and people feeling free to just walk 
>in anytime they please.  It is also akin to my owning a home and having 
>to change my name and address so that nobody can find me.
>
>I remember many years ago being stalked by a man who would call at odd 
>hours with very scarey phone calls (he knew every move I made).  I 
>called the police and they suggested:  moving, getting a new phone 
>number.  I looked right at them and said, "No.  I