1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 27 Apr 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 234       Contents:" (YASR) Yet Another Strange Request9 64 bit addressing in FORTRAN with (character) descriptors A Re: create new operator.log file from batch (I should know this.)  Re: DECsystem 5500 Re: DECsystem 5500/ Re: Executable Code redirected to screen output ) How about a PCI DAQ card in an Alpha PWS?  Image Backup Question " Re: IP Failover: strange behaviour( Re: ISE proves OpenVMS future viability!( Re: ISE proves OpenVMS future viability!( RE: ISE proves OpenVMS future viability! Re: Java 1.5 on VMS in sight?  Java 1.5 on VMS in sight? ) Lexical function for getting display name - Re: Lexical function for getting display name - Re: Lexical function for getting display name - Re: Lexical function for getting display name - Re: Lexical function for getting display name - Re: Lexical function for getting display name - Re: Lexical function for getting display name 8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....8 Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business..../ mysql #1030 - Got error 127 from storage engine 3 Re: mysql #1030 - Got error 127 from storage engine 3 Re: mysql #1030 - Got error 127 from storage engine 3 Re: mysql #1030 - Got error 127 from storage engine 3 Re: mysql #1030 - Got error 127 from storage engine 3 Re: mysql #1030 - Got error 127 from storage engine 3 Re: mysql #1030 - Got error 127 from storage engine + Re: OpenVMS Pearl from today from IT Weekly + Re: OpenVMS Pearl from today from IT Weekly + Re: OpenVMS Pearl from today from IT Weekly  Re: OT: Requiem for a Feline PLUG: txt2pdf 8.1  Re: TK50 Re: TK50 Re: TK501 VMS equivalent of % xset fp+ directory_with_fonts 5 Re: VMS equivalent of % xset fp+ directory_with_fonts 1 VMS equivalent of % xset fp+ directory_with_fonts 5 Re: VMS equivalent of % xset fp+ directory_with_fonts 5 Re: VMS equivalent of % xset fp+ directory_with_fonts 5 Re: VMS equivalent of % xset fp+ directory_with_fonts ' What is Different or Special About VMS? + Re: What is Different or Special About VMS? + Re: What is Different or Special About VMS? + Re: What is Different or Special About VMS? + Re: What is Different or Special About VMS? + Re: What is Different or Special About VMS? + Re: What is Different or Special About VMS? : Re: [ECP V5.5A] Unrecognized ECP/Collect data file version  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 27 Apr 2005 17:29:39 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)+ Subject: (YASR) Yet Another Strange Request , Message-ID: <3da0g3F6sc7e2U1@individual.net>  = I guess people here are getting used to me making some pretty ; strange requests (Who else would be looking for TK50's) but  here comes the strangest yet.   ; I think Didier moved to Switzerland so is there anyone here ; within the distance of a local call to Malataverne, France?  (about 150 km south of Lyon.)   ? I am trying to get in touch with a company there but they don't ? seem to read their email. (French is not my strongest language, ; but I know enough to use Babelfish and fix all it's glaring > mistakes.)  I would appreciate it if someone nearby could give? them a call and tell them to check their email.  I sent to both ' their local and export contact address.   C The company is "SIBILLE FAMECA electric" http://www.sf-electric.com A They make tools for working with high voltage electricity and the A guys doing my VAX wiring have some stuff from them and would like A to get more.  I am basicly trying to find out the name of someone : who distributes their products either in the US or Canada.  A (Notice how I tied this to my VAXen and thus made it OnTopic. :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:10:08 +0200 , From: Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de>B Subject: 64 bit addressing in FORTRAN with (character) descriptors, Message-ID: <u0ao4d.1ek.ln@news.hus-soft.de>   Hi, VMS gurus ;-)   P I'm looking for a way to have a FORTRAN subroutine use character descriptors in M the 64-bit format without touching the source code, but there seems to be no   such commandline switch:  , $ FORTRAN/DESCRIPTOR_SIZE=64	! would be fine  L The problem is that we have lots of FORTRAN sources that may have character O variables as parameters. Calling such a subroutine with a parameter that has a  N 32-bit address is fine, while calling it with another parameter with a 64-bit D address wouldn't work, because the descriptor formats are different.  Q One way would be to use INTERFACE definitions for _all_ the subroutines that are  L subject to receive parameters in the 32-bit and/or the 64-bit format and to 8 modify each subroutine to accept 64-bit descriptors. :-(  S There _must_ be a better way, right? Can anybody help? I must be missing something.   Q The program I'm just porting to Itanium must use variables in the 64-bit address  O space ( !DEC$   ATTRIBUTES ADDRESS64 :: ... ) for _some_ variables (big tables  P in memory), however the problem is not IA64 specific, but also applies to Alpha.  1 This is on an HP rx1620 ... running OpenVMS V8.2,   with HP Fortran V8.0-48071-50EAE  M BTW, "/BY_REF_CALL=routine-list" wouldn't help because we need the parameter   sizes in some cases.  7 Here is an example FORTRAN main program and subroutine:    $ type test_64.for C < C       Testing 64 bit addressing with character descriptors C           program test_64 C           implicit none C <          CHARACTER*20    CH1,CH2         ! character strings> C*!DEC$ ATTRIBUTES ADDRESS64 :: CH1     ! not a 64 bit address8 !DEC$   ATTRIBUTES ADDRESS64 :: CH2     ! 64 bit address C $ C       define interface for show () C           INTERFACE$          SUBROUTINE      SHOW    (C)          CHARACTER*(*)   CG !DEC$   ATTRIBUTES ADDRESS64 :: C       ! define C as 64-bit-descriptor           END SUBROUTINE           END INTERFACE C            CH1     = 'This is CH1'           CH2     = 'This is CH2' C 9          CALL    SHOW    (CH1)		! ch1 with 32-bit address 9          CALL    SHOW    (CH2)		! ch2 with 64-bit address  C           END C ( C       Show character string subroutine C           subroutine show (ch)  C           implicit none C           CHARACTER*(*)   ch 8 !DEC$   ATTRIBUTES ADDRESS64 :: ch      ! 64 bit address C           write   (6,100) ch $ 100     FORMAT  (' String: "',A,'"')          return           end $ fort test_64 $ link test_64 $ r test_64  String: "This is CH1         " String: "This is CH2         " $   L This works, as one can see, but I would really, really like to have it work H without the interface definition(s) and without modifying the (example)  subroutine show().   Albrecht Schlosser   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2005 13:15:05 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)J Subject: Re: create new operator.log file from batch (I should know this.)* Message-ID: <426f9059@news.langstoeger.at>  p In article <OF0F9D115F.D7B9F6BF-ON85256FEF.00713AFA-85256FEF.007142C4@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:A >How does one do this (create a new operator.log file) from batch  >where there is no terminal? >  >$ reply/enable  >$ reply/log >$ reply/disable   Have you tried   $ DEFINE/USER SYS$COMMAND OPA0:  $ REPLY/LOG    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:25:45 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: DECsystem 5500 ( Message-ID: <opspwac7nqzgicya@hyrrokkin>  @ On 26 Apr 2005 22:19:08 -0700, <tomarsin2015@comcast.net> wrote:  I > Does anybody have Ultrix 4.X that they could loan me to get this system F > up and runing?? I have the licenes paks so thats not a problem aboutE > the version. I seen some where that Linux will run on a 5500, but I A > would like Ultrix. If you have the binaries you can ftp them to  > 68.35.167.136  > USERNAME: PCFILES  > PASSWORD: PCFILES F > This is a VAX so you will need to transfer them according to the VMS > standard.  > P.S.I > The directory DPA100:[PCFILES] is open to the public, you may put files E > there as you may wish - the only thing is we ask that you donot put E > things that are illegal, its a 18gb drive that has volume shadowing : > enabled so data is safe plus it is backed-up ever night. > ENJOY 	 > phillip  >    Do you have a TK50 drive?    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2005 08:25:46 -0700 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net Subject: Re: DECsystem 5500 C Message-ID: <1114615546.507213.136010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Yes I have both TK50/70 drives.  phillip    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2005 05:03:03 -0700' From: "dirf" <david.frid@tierserve.com> 8 Subject: Re: Executable Code redirected to screen outputC Message-ID: <1114603383.604855.280050@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Much :)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:38:17 GMT " From: "Jon" <jwatmuff@bigpond.com>2 Subject: How about a PCI DAQ card in an Alpha PWS?> Message-ID: <JlObe.31283$5F3.10620@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  L Thank you to those who responded to the earlier post "Could a PC do this?". L Having accepted the advantages, power and functionality provided by OpenVMS L for data acquisition (EFN, QIO, AST etc.) the difficulty of reproducing the M previously proven configuration remains with the cost of the hardware, which  J was the ONLY reason for considering an alternative PC-based system in the L first place. It is not so much the $2K for the DCI-1100 PCI card, but a new  Tustin A/D costs around $20K.   L While the substantial cost benefits of PC DAQ cards cannot be ignored, does L this really mean having to use another OS? An interesting question concerns L the behavior of these cards in a PCI slot of, say, an Alpha PWS. Given that I it may be possible to find a PCI DAQ card that avoids SRM level (PnP PCI  K Bios) problems that are often experienced with non-supported hardware, the  D next step would involve writing an OpenVMS device driver. While the F documentation of some manufacturers is limited, others provide fairly K complete details of the I/O address map, including the relative addressing  M of Data and CSR registers, a description of various bits etc., together with  J timing diagrams showing the operation etc. Attempting to write an OpenVMS I device driver with MACRO64 is luring because 1000's of lines of existing  J higher level code could then be used, but of course this would be full of G dangers. However with adequate product manuals writing a device driver  A should not be too difficult. Anyone with comments / experience /   suggestions?  F There could be $$$ in it too. Consider that the Logical Co. are still G selling the OpenVMS HX device driver for $495 and this just allows the  I digital IO of the old Q-Bus DRQ3B to be emulated with their DCI-1100 PCI   card.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:44:09 -0500 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu>  Subject: Image Backup Question5 Message-ID: <d4ofgq$36n$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0304020907020304030802039 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    Hello,  D I have two stand alone Alpha servers, a ds20e and alpha 800. On the ' alpha 800 i have one disk that is 36gb. I The alpha 800 has a tz885 tape loader is a 20gb. 77% of the 36gb disk is  ! being utilized. When I try to  do G an image backup of the disk it is filling up one tape, assigning a new  % volume, and wants to load the rest of F the backup file onto a new tape. Is there any way I can get this onto " one tape on this alpha 800? I haveE tried to backup the file to disk onto another server that has a 36gb  & disk but am in danger of filing up theI disk and stop the process before it finishes 95% of disk capacity on the  ! other server (production system).   2 I am using the following command on the alpha 800:  J $  backup/media=compaction/image/record/noalias/ignore=(interlock,label)/-C block=32255/nocrc/group=0/list='listname' 'disk' tape$c:'file'/save   # Thank you for your help in advance,    Chuck   & --------------030402090702030403080203) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">  <html> <head>I   <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">    <title></title>  </head> ' <body bgcolor="#339999" text="#ffffff"> 
 Hello,<br> <br>C I have two stand alone Alpha servers, a ds20e and alpha 800. On the + alpha 800 i have one disk that is 36gb.<br> E The alpha 800 has a tz885 tape loader is a 20gb. 77% of the 36gb disk - is being utilized. When I try to&nbsp; do<br> F an image backup of the disk it is filling up one tape, assigning a new) volume, and wants to load the rest of<br> E the backup file onto a new tape. Is there any way I can get this onto & one tape on this alpha 800? I have<br>D tried to backup the file to disk onto another server that has a 36gb* disk but am in danger of filing up the<br>D disk and stop the process before it finishes 95% of disk capacity on) the other server (production system).<br>  <br>6 I am using the following command on the alpha 800:<br> <br> $&nbsp; K backup/media=compaction/image/record/noalias/ignore=(interlock,label)/-<br> G block=32255/nocrc/group=0/list='listname' 'disk' tape$c:'file'/save<br>  <br>' Thank you for your help in advance,<br>  <br>	 Chuck<br>  </body>  </html>   ( --------------030402090702030403080203--   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2005 05:54:58 -0700  From: nmanser@progis.de (Manser)+ Subject: Re: IP Failover: strange behaviour < Message-ID: <2178d61f.0504270454.5bb8fe8@posting.google.com>  j ksidibaba@gmail.com (ksidibaba) wrote in message news:<3dd11af5.0504252332.72d19069@posting.google.com>...	 > Hi all,  > G > just trying to get to grisp with VMS, we are encountering quite a few C > unexpected problems, one of which being IP-Failover. We are using E > OpenVMS 7.3-2, with all recommended actual patches on 2 DS15, *not* A > participating in an OpenVMS cluster, both connected to the same F > switch. On both machines, 2 NICs are configured to take part into IPD > Failover. As long as both machines are up and running, IP failoverF > behaves the way one would expect it to work (i.e. pulling one of theD > network cables from one active NIC results in the other one takingG > over). But when one of the machine is powered down, the other machine D > starts losing connectivity. It looks as if the system is trying toF > reconfigure the IP address of the failover-enabled NICs. Is this theE > expected behaviour? that would imply that if a machine breaks down, D > the other one would lose connectivity (!). Any help on that matter! > would be very much appreciated!  > Thanks in advance, >    Hi all,   @ i am the colleage of karim, working on the openVMS side so i can= provide more detailed infos about our problem with failsafeIP   # our configuration is the following:   1 2 alphaserver DS15 EV68 / 1000 Mhz CPU / 1 GB RAM < with 3 NIC (2 onboard NIC and 1 in a combo card 3X-DEPVZ-AA)  	 Machine 1   * EIA0: (10.1.1.30 255.255.255.0 10.1.1.255)0 EIA1: (172.16.38.30 255.255.255.0 172.16.38.255), EIA2: (participating in a failover of IEA0:)  	 Machine 2   * EIA0: (10.1.1.30 255.255.255.0 10.1.1.255)0 EIA2: (172.16.38.30 255.255.255.0 172.16.38.255), EIA1: (participating in a failover of IEA0:)  A 1) intermittent loss of interface ip configuration on the devices ( which are participating in the failover.    D 2) with a 2 alphaserver configuration, when shutting down 1 machine,B the other alphaserver (connected to the same switch)  disables the9 network interface, and enters the status described in 1). B please provide us with the solution of this problem as we urgently: require getting tcpip failover for our production systems.  , here are the logfiles and the debugging info  	 machine1:       IPPSA1> tcpip ifconfig -a 6 IE0: flags=c43<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX>D     *inet 10.1.1.30 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 10.1.1.255 ipmtu 1500  6 IE1: flags=c43<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX>E     *inet 172.16.38.30 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 172.16.38.255 ipmtu  1500  . IE2: flags=c03<UP,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX>      failSAFE IP Addresses: @         inet 10.1.1.30 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 10.1.1.255 (on IPPSA1 IE0)   A LO0: flags=100c89<UP,LOOPBACK,NOARP,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX,NOCHECKSUM> /      inet 127.0.0.1 netmask ff000000 ipmtu 4096    TN0: flags=80<NOARP>   TN1: flags=80<NOARP>   IPPSA1> tcpip show interf B                                                            PacketsB Interface   IP_Addr         Network mask          Receive          Send     MTU  @  IE0        10.1.1.30       255.255.255.0          374000        335782    1500D  IE1        172.16.38.30    255.255.255.0            2037           
 40    1500E  IE2                                                14874             	 0    1500 C  LO0        127.0.0.1       255.0.0.0                 227            227    4096   IPPSA1> tcpip show config interf    Interface: LO0 ?    IP_Addr: 127.0.0.1         NETWRK: 255.0.0.0         BRDCST:     Interface: IE0 ?    IP_Addr: 10.1.1.30         NETWRK: 255.255.255.0     BRDCST: 
 10.1.1.255    Interface: IE1 ?    IP_Addr: 172.16.38.30      NETWRK: 255.255.255.0     BRDCST: 
 172.16.38.255     Interface: IEC0?    IP_Addr: 10.1.1.30         NETWRK: 255.255.255.0     BRDCST: 
 10.1.1.255      4 IE0,IE2 are participating in a failover on 10.1.1.30, IE1 are not participating in tcpip failover.   IPPSA1> show device eia0: /full   B Device EIA0:, device type i82559, is online, network device, error
 logging is'     enabled, device is a template only.    IPPSA1> show device eib0: /full   B Device EIB0:, device type i82559, is online, network device, error
 logging is'     enabled, device is a template only.    IPPSA1> show device eic0: /full   B Device EIC0:, device type i82559, is online, network device, error
 logging is'     enabled, device is a template only.   " IPPSA1> mc lancp show device /char   Device Characteristics EIA0:'                   Value  Characteristic '                   -----  -------------- +                    1500  Device buffer size (                  Normal  Controller mode/                External  Internal loopback mode -       00-0F-20-D8-40-C5  Hardware LAN address /                          Multicast address list -                 CSMA/CD  Communication medium ,       FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF  Current LAN address0                     128  Minimum receive buffers0                     256  Maximum receive buffers+                      No  Full duplex enable 0                      No  Full duplex operational(             TwistedPair  Line media type*                     100  Line speed (mbps)*     Disabled/No Failset  Logical LAN state*                       0  Failover priority   Device Characteristics EIB0:'                   Value  Characteristic '                   -----  -------------- +                    1500  Device buffer size (                  Normal  Controller mode/                External  Internal loopback mode -       00-0F-20-D8-40-C6  Hardware LAN address /                          Multicast address list -                 CSMA/CD  Communication medium ,       FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF  Current LAN address0                     128  Minimum receive buffers0                     256  Maximum receive buffers+                      No  Full duplex enable 0                      No  Full duplex operational(             TwistedPair  Line media type*                     100  Line speed (mbps)*     Disabled/No Failset  Logical LAN state*                       0  Failover priority   Device Characteristics EIC0:'                   Value  Characteristic '                   -----  -------------- +                    1500  Device buffer size (                  Normal  Controller mode/                External  Internal loopback mode -       00-06-2B-03-3C-32  Hardware LAN address /                          Multicast address list -                 CSMA/CD  Communication medium ,       FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF  Current LAN address0                     128  Minimum receive buffers0                     256  Maximum receive buffers+                      No  Full duplex enable 0                      No  Full duplex operational(             TwistedPair  Line media type*                     100  Line speed (mbps)*     Disabled/No Failset  Logical LAN state*                       0  Failover priority        
 Machine2 :   IPPSA2> tcpip ifconfig -a 6 IE0: flags=c43<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX>D     *inet 10.1.1.40 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 10.1.1.255 ipmtu 1500  6 IE1: flags=c43<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX>      failSAFE IP Addresses: @         inet 10.1.1.40 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 10.1.1.255 (on IPPSA2 IE0)   6 IE2: flags=c43<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX>E     *inet 172.16.38.40 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 172.16.38.255 ipmtu  1500  A LO0: flags=100c89<UP,LOOPBACK,NOARP,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX,NOCHECKSUM> /      inet 127.0.0.1 netmask ff000000 ipmtu 4096    TN0: flags=80<NOARP>   TN1: flags=80<NOARP>   IPPSA2> tcpip show interf B                                                            PacketsB Interface   IP_Addr         Network mask          Receive          Send     MTU  ?  IE0        10.1.1.40       255.255.255.0         9918544        6057029    1500 C  IE1                                               234211            383    1500 B  IE2        172.16.38.40    255.255.255.0           32311          3299    1500A  LO0        127.0.0.1       255.0.0.0               40819         
 40819    4096   IPPSA2> tcpip show config interf    Interface: LO0 ?    IP_Addr: 127.0.0.1         NETWRK: 255.0.0.0         BRDCST:     Interface: IE0 ?    IP_Addr: 10.1.1.40         NETWRK: 255.255.255.0     BRDCST: 
 10.1.1.255    Interface: IE2 ?    IP_Addr: 172.16.38.40      NETWRK: 255.255.255.0     BRDCST: 
 172.16.38.255     Interface: IEB0?    IP_Addr: 10.1.1.40         NETWRK: 255.255.255.0     BRDCST: 
 10.1.1.255  9 IE0,IE1 are participating in the ipfailover  on 10.1.1.40 + IE2 are not participating in a ip failover.   , we have 2 networks, 10.1.1.x and 172.16.38.x    " IPPSA2> mc lancp show device /char   Device Characteristics EIA0:'                   Value  Characteristic '                   -----  -------------- +                    1500  Device buffer size (                  Normal  Controller mode/                External  Internal loopback mode -       00-0F-20-2B-E1-57  Hardware LAN address /                          Multicast address list -                 CSMA/CD  Communication medium ,       FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF  Current LAN address0                     128  Minimum receive buffers0                     256  Maximum receive buffers+                      No  Full duplex enable 0                      No  Full duplex operational(             TwistedPair  Line media type*                     100  Line speed (mbps)*     Disabled/No Failset  Logical LAN state*                       0  Failover priority   Device Characteristics EIB0:'                   Value  Characteristic '                   -----  -------------- +                    1500  Device buffer size (                  Normal  Controller mode/                External  Internal loopback mode -       00-0F-20-2B-E1-56  Hardware LAN address /                          Multicast address list -                 CSMA/CD  Communication medium ,       FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF  Current LAN address0                     128  Minimum receive buffers0                     256  Maximum receive buffers+                      No  Full duplex enable 0                      No  Full duplex operational(             TwistedPair  Line media type*                     100  Line speed (mbps)*     Disabled/No Failset  Logical LAN state*                       0  Failover priority   Device Characteristics EIC0:'                   Value  Characteristic '                   -----  -------------- +                    1500  Device buffer size (                  Normal  Controller mode/                External  Internal loopback mode -       00-06-2B-03-38-A7  Hardware LAN address /                          Multicast address list -                 CSMA/CD  Communication medium ,       FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF  Current LAN address0                     128  Minimum receive buffers0                     256  Maximum receive buffers+                      No  Full duplex enable 0                      No  Full duplex operational(             TwistedPair  Line media type*                     100  Line speed (mbps)*     Disabled/No Failset  Logical LAN state*                       0  Failover priority        C here are an extract of the contents of the logfiles of the machine      F 21-Apr-2005 16:00:08  EVENT: IE2 - no route failover:default 10.1.1.406 gateway:10.1.1.40 unreachable via available interfacesB 21-Apr-2005 16:00:08  EVENT: IE2 - interface has become functional6 21-Apr-2005 16:00:13   INFO: IE2 - retry limit reached4 21-Apr-2005 16:00:13  EVENT: IE2 - ifconfig IE2 fail5 21-Apr-2005 16:00:43  EVENT: IE2 - ifconfig IE2 -fail ? 21-Apr-2005 16:00:43   INFO: IE2 - assuming -net (flags:US) for E route:default          10.1.1.40          US          0       63  IE0    and in the operator.log   8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  21-APR-2005 17:00:08.00  %%%%%%%%%%%' Message from user TCPIP$FSAFE on IPPSA2 * TCPIP-I-FAILSAFE, IE2 - ifconfig IE2 -fail  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  21-APR-2005 17:00:08.04  %%%%%%%%%%%$ Message from user INTERnet on IPPSA2, %TCPIP-I-FSINTAVAIL, IE2 interface available  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  21-APR-2005 17:00:08.04  %%%%%%%%%%%$ Message from user INTERnet on IPPSA2= %TCPIP-W-FSQEMPTY, IE2 172.16.38.40 no other failover targets 
 configured  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  21-APR-2005 17:00:08.04  %%%%%%%%%%%$ Message from user INTERnet on IPPSA2D %TCPIP-I-FSIPADDRUP, IE2 172.16.38.40 primary active on node IPPSA2,
 interface IE2   8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  21-APR-2005 17:00:08.13  %%%%%%%%%%%' Message from user TCPIP$FSAFE on IPPSA2 ; TCPIP-I-FAILSAFE, IE2 - no route failover:default 10.1.1.40 6 gateway:10.1.1.40 unreachable via available interfaces  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  21-APR-2005 17:00:08.20  %%%%%%%%%%%' Message from user TCPIP$FSAFE on IPPSA2 7 TCPIP-I-FAILSAFE, IE2 - interface has become functional   8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  21-APR-2005 17:00:13.09  %%%%%%%%%%%' Message from user TCPIP$FSAFE on IPPSA2 ) TCPIP-I-FAILSAFE, IE2 - ifconfig IE2 fail   8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  21-APR-2005 17:00:13.12  %%%%%%%%%%%$ Message from user INTERnet on IPPSA2. %TCPIP-W-FSINTUNAVL, IE2 interface unavailable  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  21-APR-2005 17:00:13.13  %%%%%%%%%%%$ Message from user INTERnet on IPPSA2= %TCPIP-W-FSQEMPTY, IE2 172.16.38.40 no other failover targets 
 configured  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  21-APR-2005 17:00:13.13  %%%%%%%%%%%$ Message from user INTERnet on IPPSA2@ %TCPIP-W-FSADDRUNAVAIL, IE2 172.16.38.40 Address unavailable, no failover targets   > Nazim    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:37:26 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 1 Subject: Re: ISE proves OpenVMS future viability! 2 Message-ID: <GsNbe.4578$O51.3790@news.cpqcorp.net>   John Smith wrote: 
 > they areK > running on Alpha and praying that Itanic isn't killed before they have to  > migrate from Alpha in 2011.   H You're trying to put words into their mouths. They are running on Alpha C today, but here's what they have to say about Itanium (in what the   material Bob pointed us to):  B [ISE's Senior Vice President for Technology and Chief Information I Officer Danny] "Friel explains [ISE's application vendor] OM Technology  E has made a commitment that OpenVMS will be their operating system of  B choice for the foreseeable future. And HP backs its commitment to I OpenVMS with a roadmap to the future. Were looking forward to moving to  @ the new HP Itanium-based Integrity server family and achieving D unprecedented performance and flexibility. Were seeing nothing but F positive indications that HP is the platform upon which we will build  the ISEs future.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:19:02 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 1 Subject: Re: ISE proves OpenVMS future viability! , Message-ID: <2tadnaGtAaMbVPLfRVn-uQ@igs.net>   Keith Parris wrote:  > John Smith wrote:  >> they are D >> running on Alpha and praying that Itanic isn't killed before they& >> have to migrate from Alpha in 2011. > C > You're trying to put words into their mouths. They are running on F > Alpha today, but here's what they have to say about Itanium (in what" > the material Bob pointed us to): > C > [ISE's Senior Vice President for Technology and Chief Information ? > Officer Danny] "Friel explains [ISE's application vendor] OM G > Technology has made a commitment that OpenVMS will be their operating ? > system of choice for the foreseeable future. And HP backs its C > commitment to OpenVMS with a roadmap to the future. Were looking A > forward to moving to the new HP Itanium-based Integrity server G > family and achieving unprecedented performance and flexibility. Were F > seeing nothing but positive indications that HP is the platform upon( > which we will build the ISEs future.    K Bet they'll be buying more Alpha's before they buy the equivalent number of 	 Itanic's.    --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:42:29 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 1 Subject: RE: ISE proves OpenVMS future viability! R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB5ECDEF@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message------ > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20  > Sent: April 27, 2005 1:19 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 3 > Subject: Re: ISE proves OpenVMS future viability!  >=20 > Keith Parris wrote:  > > John Smith wrote: 
 > >> they are F > >> running on Alpha and praying that Itanic isn't killed before they( > >> have to migrate from Alpha in 2011. > > E > > You're trying to put words into their mouths. They are running on H > > Alpha today, but here's what they have to say about Itanium (in what$ > > the material Bob pointed us to): > > E > > [ISE's Senior Vice President for Technology and Chief Information A > > Officer Danny] "Friel explains [ISE's application vendor] "OM B > > Technology has made a commitment that OpenVMS will be their=20 > operating A > > system of choice for the foreseeable future. And HP backs its E > > commitment to OpenVMS with a roadmap to the future. We're looking E > > forward to moving to the new HP Itanium(r)-based Integrity server 9 > > family and achieving unprecedented performance and=20  > flexibility. We'reH > > seeing nothing but positive indications that HP is the platform upon* > > which we will build the ISE's future." >=20 >=20; > Bet they'll be buying more Alpha's before they buy the=20  > equivalent number of > Itanic's.  >=20 > --     Well, of course.=20   F These folks are big iron types and OpenVMS is not supported on the bigF Itanium based Superdome systems until VMS V8.2-1 (fall/later this yearG timeframe as I recall). With support at least until 2011, they can keep G using what works (Alpha) and meets their requirements and start phasing : the Itanium systems into their cluster on their timetable.   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:45:13 +0000 (UTC)R- From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)w& Subject: Re: Java 1.5 on VMS in sight?. Message-ID: <d4o8hp$3ib$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   Roland Barmettler <NOSPAMrob@bbpMAPSON.ch> writes in article <oULbe.12$TV5.2234@newsfeeder.eunet.ch> dated Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:57:53 +0200:rI >We are currently using java 1.4.2 for our products on VMS and would likee, >to move to 1.5 in a couple of months or so.G >Would anyone of HP engineering know if there will be a Java SDK 1.5 ong& >VMS available and approximately when?   I'm curious too.  ' Also, what VMS version will it require?e  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:57:53 +0200e0 From: Roland Barmettler <NOSPAMrob@bbpMAPSON.ch>" Subject: Java 1.5 on VMS in sight?3 Message-ID: <oULbe.12$TV5.2234@newsfeeder.eunet.ch>w   Helloe  H We are currently using java 1.4.2 for our products on VMS and would like+ to move to 1.5 in a couple of months or so..F Would anyone of HP engineering know if there will be a Java SDK 1.5 on% VMS available and approximately when?s   Thank you for your time.   Greetings, Roland    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:40:41 +0200 : From: "Mark Vilstrup Svanesteen" <mark.svanesteen@mail.dk>2 Subject: Lexical function for getting display name< Message-ID: <426f41f7$0$73746$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk>  	 Hi group,o  M I am working on a command procedure for creating an x-display on my PC, so I  B can debug through Motif. I think it's going to be somethingh like:  	 $ ! D.COM  $ ! Create x-display' $ ! Input-parameter is program to debugs $ !e# $ SET DIS/CRE/TRA=TCPIP/NOD=X.X.X.X  $ DISP = F$... $ DEFINE DBG$INPUT        DISP $ DEFINE DBG$OUTPUT    DISPp
 $ RUN 'P1' $ EXIT  E I cannot find a lexical function for getting a display name (in this  6 situation the variable "DISP"). Anyone got any clues ?  1 Please help a new-bee OpenVMS fan from Denmark...y     Mark Vilstrup Svanesteen    2  "...HP OpenVMS: still exceeding expectations..."    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 04:10:55 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>+6 Subject: Re: Lexical function for getting display nameB Message-ID: <1114589427.1b7b07e92cc72681148fb3ceba86db5a@teranews>   Mark Vilstrup Svanesteen wrote:t% > $ SET DIS/CRE/TRA=TCPIP/NOD=X.X.X.Xl > $ DISP = F$...  > $ DEFINE DBG$INPUT        DISP > $ DEFINE DBG$OUTPUT    DISPr    E SET DISP/CREATE sets the logical DECW$DISPLAY to a WSAx: device name.t   So f    $DISP = F$TRNLNM("DECW$DISPLAY")  H Not sure if DBG$INPUT and DBG%$OUTPOUT are meant to point to a Xdisplay.H I suspect DEBUG automatically takes DECW$DISPLAY logiacl to decide where its output goes.  B Also, in your DEFINE commands you need  'DISP instead of just DISP   You probably also want to :F+ $HELP /LIBRARY=SYS$HELP:DBG$HELP DECWIDNOWSr  C There is a logical DBG$DECWDISPLAY which you can define to have theeD value of DECW$DISPLAY and can thus point to a different display from your application.d   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:28:03 +0000 (UTC)MP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)6 Subject: Re: Lexical function for getting display name$ Message-ID: <d4niej$g8n$1@online.de>  B In article <426f41f7$0$73746$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk>, "Mark7 Vilstrup Svanesteen" <mark.svanesteen@mail.dk> writes: o  O > I am working on a command procedure for creating an x-display on my PC, so I oD > can debug through Motif. I think it's going to be somethingh like:  G > I cannot find a lexical function for getting a display name (in this o8 > situation the variable "DISP"). Anyone got any clues ? > 3 > Please help a new-bee OpenVMS fan from Denmark...b  0 Where would we be without undocumented features!  D After you've done SET DISPLAY, do SHOW DISPLAY/SYMBOL.  At first, itG looks like SHOW DISPLAY.  However, do SHOW SYMBOL DECW$DISPLAY* and seel what you get.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:29:39 +0200u: From: "Mark Vilstrup Svanesteen" <mark.svanesteen@mail.dk>6 Subject: Re: Lexical function for getting display name< Message-ID: <426f5b81$0$73708$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk>  @ "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> skrev i en meddelelse < news:1114589427.1b7b07e92cc72681148fb3ceba86db5a@teranews... >( > So >)" > $DISP = F$TRNLNM("DECW$DISPLAY") >nJ > Not sure if DBG$INPUT and DBG%$OUTPOUT are meant to point to a Xdisplay.J > I suspect DEBUG automatically takes DECW$DISPLAY logiacl to decide where > its output goes. >eD > Also, in your DEFINE commands you need  'DISP instead of just DISP >I > You probably also want to : - > $HELP /LIBRARY=SYS$HELP:DBG$HELP DECWIDNOWSr > E > There is a logical DBG$DECWDISPLAY which you can define to have theuF > value of DECW$DISPLAY and can thus point to a different display from > your application.a  , Thanks for the help - it works like a charm.  J In the Debugger manual they direct the display to another terminal, but I F don't have that kind of privileges (OPER). So, I just tried directing 5 through a x-connection and found that it is possible.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:01:54 +0200b( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>6 Subject: Re: Lexical function for getting display name3 Message-ID: <000a01c54b20$e7c91980$994614ac@wat153>e   Hello,  D You don=B4t need any lexical function. The default logical for the = displaym@ is DECW$DISPLAY. You also can create a display with user defined
 logical, e.g.h $SET DISPLAY DBG_DISPLAY ...   Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 04:56:03 -0400b- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>a6 Subject: Re: Lexical function for getting display nameB Message-ID: <1114592117.9aab13bfebb725e8730019ea041358ab@teranews>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:tF > After you've done SET DISPLAY, do SHOW DISPLAY/SYMBOL.  At first, itI > looks like SHOW DISPLAY.  However, do SHOW SYMBOL DECW$DISPLAY* and see  > what you get.    Wow ! this is neat !!!   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2005 10:38:38 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)(6 Subject: Re: Lexical function for getting display name3 Message-ID: <Nm+0s9Zxod2s@eisner.encompasserve.org>   y In article <426f41f7$0$73746$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk>, "Mark Vilstrup Svanesteen" <mark.svanesteen@mail.dk> writes:  > Hi group,S > O > I am working on a command procedure for creating an x-display on my PC, so I 6D > can debug through Motif. I think it's going to be somethingh like: >  > $ ! D.COM  > $ ! Create x-display) > $ ! Input-parameter is program to debug  > $ !T% > $ SET DIS/CRE/TRA=TCPIP/NOD=X.X.X.XS > $ DISP = F$...  > $ DEFINE DBG$INPUT        DISP > $ DEFINE DBG$OUTPUT    DISP' > $ RUN 'P1' > $ EXIT >   E    You either need to use the DECwindows version of DEBUG, which willi@    pick up from the set display command, or you need to create aE    DECterm without a process and redirect dbg$input and dbg$output towC    that.  Here's something I use to debug a program called aspm, iteE    assumes you've already done "create/terminal/detach/noprocess" and-+    are the only one on the system doing so:1    * $node = f$edit(f$getsyi("scsnode"),"TRIM") $device = "_" + node + "$FT*"  $! $loop: $  next = f$device(device) $  if next .eqs. ""  $  then - $     write sys$output f$message(2312) + crlfD# $     exit 2312    	! SS$_NOSUCHDEV5 $  endifM $  if (f$getdvi(next,"PID") .nes. "") .or. (.not.f$getdvi(next,"AVL")) then - 
    $goto loopg $define dbg$output 'next $define dbg$input 'next  $set default disk:[dir]p $define dbg$init aspm.dbg 	 $run aspmi   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 03:26:16 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>A Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business.... = Message-ID: <i7KdnYOz5ocHo_LfRVn-gg@metrocastcablevision.com>-   JF Mezei wrote:a   ...,  J > With the 8086 curve now appearing to eventually surpass IA64,  HP should# > just give up on IA64 and go 8086.w  I Ah, JF - skeptic though you've been, I guess you still got suckered into t the Itanic hype.  I x86 won't 'eventually' surpass Itanic, because it was never behind it in p< the first place (save for the regular, FP-style, relatively H commercially-unimportant codes which were the only area in which Itanic D ever excelled - well, besides the space-heater competition, anyway).  F Aside from such regular codes, where Itanic beat x86 on benchmarks it G did so in spite of rather than because of its core technology.  It did  G so by virtue of having larger fast on-chip caches (an important aspect  G of scaling for benchmarks like TPC-C) and wider busses (also important oB there, at least compared with the MP bus-strangulation which Xeon C experienced:  ever wonder why we never saw anything smaller than a hD 4-processor Itanic submission in TPC-C?), and by placement in large I systems specifically designed to scale up (rather than Xeon environments 0D which started having scaling problems when the processor count rose  above, say, 2).g  G IBM has just stepped up to the plate which Intel, for obvious reasons,  H was reluctant to approach, and designed a new Xeon chipset which allows < a 4-processor Xeon box to reach within a few percent of the G top-of-the-line Itanic 4-processor TPC-C score using only half as much gI RAM.  And this new architecture scales up to 32-socket systems (64 cores  G when Xeon goes dual-core within a year).  Though no benchmarks are yet  F available for it, the third-party Horus Opteron chipset due this year A will allow Opteron to hit 32 sockets as well (the sweet spot for oG performance will likely be the 16-socket/32-core variant), and Sun has h0 some kind of large Opteron box in the works too.  D After Itanic's abysmal inability to live up to its '90s hype became F evident there was never any *technical* reason for it to succeed, but H the brute-force promotion of it by HP and Intel still gave it a shot at I doing so.  Now, though, exactly what many of us suggested almost 4 years IH ago has come to pass:  POWER5 is humiliating it in large systems, while B x86 is biting larger and larger chunks out of its rear end in the  low-to-mid-range area.  E If HP thought there was still a chance of blustering Itanic into the  G proprietary advantage it once hoped to gain from it it would hardly be eE embracing Opteron to the extent that it has recently.  It looks more s@ like about all HP is still hoping for is that Itanic won't sink 1 completely before HP is ready for that to happen.v   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2005 08:34:57 -0700* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>A Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....,B Message-ID: <1114616097.320692.76110@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   Bill Todd wrote: >  >.D > when Xeon goes dual-core within a year).  Though no benchmarks are yetuG > available for it, the third-party Horus Opteron chipset due this yearu  B > will allow Opteron to hit 32 sockets as well (the sweet spot forD > performance will likely be the 16-socket/32-core variant), and Sun has 2 > some kind of large Opteron box in the works too.  D It's interesting that no figures are available yet for the dual coreG Opteron upwards of 8 core. Seems that Intelisys/AMD/others are probablyiD sitting on benchmark figures for a 64 core SMP Opteron System. ThereD are figures on the Intelisys web site which project up to 16 socket.B For dual core they show a 32 core Horus coupled SMP system given aC projected three times performance boost over an 8 core glueless SMPuE system of the type just announced by Sun and HP. Although the current-E Horus design scales to 64 core they don't project up that far but the = graph was still heading in a straight line in the pre-release F documents. Also I think the projected figures are slighly conservative9 in light of actual dual-core figures announced last week.z  F So if we can multiply the OMPM2001 Sun results (17,230) by 3 times forC 32 core and (conservatively?) say 5 for 64 core we have just  about,F blown away every other SMP system on the planet. The current record is held by IBM with  ; IBM eServer p5 595 (1900 MHz, 64 CPU)	64	32	128	81677 92979a  A And by my reckoning, if projections are to be believed, a 64 coreaD Intelisys SMP system should beat this. Either it doesn't work or AMDG and partners are holding off another announcement for a short period tor grab the limelight twice.   - And with AMD planning 4 core chips by 2007...   + Anyone still think the Itanic has a future?a -- o
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2005 10:04:23 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com A Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....3C Message-ID: <1114621463.438447.251340@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>E  . as long as vms runs on it, it has a chance ...   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Apr 2005 17:11:34 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>A Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....37 Message-ID: <Xns9645C3537125Cdcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>d  # %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Alan Greig wrote in : news:1114616097.320692.76110@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com   - > Anyone still think the Itanic has a future?7  . Can we count Bob as a statistical anomaly? :-)     Doc. -- rG OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.wG http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:20:33 -0400a# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>iA Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....l, Message-ID: <GpydnaPXTcF8VPLfRVn-sw@igs.net>   Alan Greig wrote:  > Bill Todd wrote: >> >>E >> when Xeon goes dual-core within a year).  Though no benchmarks aredG >> yet available for it, the third-party Horus Opteron chipset due thiso >> years >nC >> will allow Opteron to hit 32 sockets as well (the sweet spot foreE >> performance will likely be the 16-socket/32-core variant), and Sunn7 >> has some kind of large Opteron box in the works too.- >-F > It's interesting that no figures are available yet for the dual core@ > Opteron upwards of 8 core. Seems that Intelisys/AMD/others areA > probably sitting on benchmark figures for a 64 core SMP Opteron4F > System. There are figures on the Intelisys web site which project upC > to 16 socket. For dual core they show a 32 core Horus coupled SMP.G > system given a projected three times performance boost over an 8 coret? > glueless SMP system of the type just announced by Sun and HP.F@ > Although the current Horus design scales to 64 core they don'tC > project up that far but the graph was still heading in a straightbG > line in the pre-release documents. Also I think the projected figuresu? > are slighly conservative in light of actual dual-core figurese > announced last week. >rH > So if we can multiply the OMPM2001 Sun results (17,230) by 3 times forE > 32 core and (conservatively?) say 5 for 64 core we have just  about H > blown away every other SMP system on the planet. The current record is > held by IBM with >i= > IBM eServer p5 595 (1900 MHz, 64 CPU) 64 32 128 81677 92979P >dC > And by my reckoning, if projections are to be believed, a 64 core F > Intelisys SMP system should beat this. Either it doesn't work or AMDF > and partners are holding off another announcement for a short period > to grab the limelight twice. > / > And with AMD planning 4 core chips by 2007...n >n- > Anyone still think the Itanic has a future?e    F I think Itanic has a brilliant future - as an artificial reef for fish' dumped somewhere off the Florida coast.M   --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:22:31 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>pA Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....., Message-ID: <KbydnRO7NeXKV_LfRVn-iA@igs.net>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:0 > as long as vms runs on it, it has a chance ...    H I think the last time one of my customers bought a new Alpha for VMS wasI almost a month of Sundays ago, and I deal with the kinds of customers who, should want VMS in spades.     --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.c   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Apr 2005 17:34:39 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)A Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....e, Message-ID: <3da0peF6sc7e2U2@individual.net>  C In article <1114621463.438447.251340@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,, 	bob@instantwhip.com writes:0 > as long as vms runs on it, it has a chance ... >   A As usual, you have it backwards.  It is Itanium that is currently>; keeping VMS alive and not the other way around.  Not a very.@ promising future view.  Kind of like being tossed an anchor when. floundering around in the middle of the ocean.   bill   -- fJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:30:41 -0400e( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>A Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....5= Message-ID: <srSdnUY3_JXfUfLfRVn-iA@metrocastcablevision.com>    Alan Greig wrote:5   ...   F > It's interesting that no figures are available yet for the dual core > Opteron upwards of 8 core.  H Well, what I said was that there are no *benchmark results* available...  .   Seems that Intelisys/AMD/others are probably@ > sitting on benchmark figures for a 64 core SMP Opteron System.  E Could be.  Benchmarks like TPC-C don't allow release of results more  = than x months (3 or 6 in TPC-C's case, IIRC) prior to system rD availability dates, so that could be the hold-up (I think Horus had # early silicon available last fall).      There_F > are figures on the Intelisys web site which project up to 16 socket.  I I'm not familiar with Intelisys and couldn't locate anything that looked c% promising with a quick Google search.h  D > For dual core they show a 32 core Horus coupled SMP system given aE > projected three times performance boost over an 8 core glueless SMPyG > system of the type just announced by Sun and HP. Although the current9G > Horus design scales to 64 core they don't project up that far but thet? > graph was still heading in a straight line in the pre-release: > documents.  F A recent post at RealWorldTech.com cited this paper from WinHEC which I includes rough graphical projections for 32-socket/64-core Horus systems:t  c http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/d/6/5d6eaf2b-7ddf-476b-93dc-7cf0072878e6/LargeScaleSMP.doc   7 While the slope beyond 16 sockets levels off some (the ND 16-socket-and-under systems are fully-connected at the board level, G while the larger systems are not), they seem to suggest that a 64-core  E Horus system will offer at least comparable TPC-C performance to the uC current top 64-processor Itanic submission which uses 1.5 GHz/6 MB  F Madisons, and might match a 64-processor 1.6 GHz/9 MB Madison system. I We'll have to wait to see how well Montecito does in TPC-C plus how well NG Superdome can scale it up (though it's hard to imagine that they won't  G get *something* significant merely by the increase to a maximum of 128 LI cores - not that any noticeable percentage of systems need anything like iH that kind of capability, which is why the 16-socket/32-core Horus sweet  spot should be plenty).   =   Also I think the projected figures are slighly conservativeC; > in light of actual dual-core figures announced last week.d  H On the other hand, they may be projecting based on significantly higher G clock rates than dual-core Opterons currently offer (some of the early  I projections assumed 2.8 GHz, whereas they currently top out at 2.2 GHz - m/ though 2.4 GHz is reportedly coming very soon).m   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Apr 2005 17:36:11 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)A Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business.... , Message-ID: <3da0saF6sc7e2U3@individual.net>  , In article <GpydnaPXTcF8VPLfRVn-sw@igs.net>,& 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > Alan Greig wrote:u >> Bill Todd wrote:  >>>  >>> F >>> when Xeon goes dual-core within a year).  Though no benchmarks areH >>> yet available for it, the third-party Horus Opteron chipset due this >>> year >>D >>> will allow Opteron to hit 32 sockets as well (the sweet spot forF >>> performance will likely be the 16-socket/32-core variant), and Sun8 >>> has some kind of large Opteron box in the works too. >>G >> It's interesting that no figures are available yet for the dual coremA >> Opteron upwards of 8 core. Seems that Intelisys/AMD/others are B >> probably sitting on benchmark figures for a 64 core SMP OpteronG >> System. There are figures on the Intelisys web site which project upaD >> to 16 socket. For dual core they show a 32 core Horus coupled SMPH >> system given a projected three times performance boost over an 8 core@ >> glueless SMP system of the type just announced by Sun and HP.A >> Although the current Horus design scales to 64 core they don'tRD >> project up that far but the graph was still heading in a straightH >> line in the pre-release documents. Also I think the projected figures@ >> are slighly conservative in light of actual dual-core figures >> announced last week.f >>I >> So if we can multiply the OMPM2001 Sun results (17,230) by 3 times forOF >> 32 core and (conservatively?) say 5 for 64 core we have just  aboutI >> blown away every other SMP system on the planet. The current record isi >> held by IBM with  >>> >> IBM eServer p5 595 (1900 MHz, 64 CPU) 64 32 128 81677 92979 >>D >> And by my reckoning, if projections are to be believed, a 64 coreG >> Intelisys SMP system should beat this. Either it doesn't work or AMD7G >> and partners are holding off another announcement for a short period  >> to grab the limelight twice.  >>0 >> And with AMD planning 4 core chips by 2007... >>. >> Anyone still think the Itanic has a future? >  > H > I think Itanic has a brilliant future - as an artificial reef for fish) > dumped somewhere off the Florida coast.  >   D Sure.  There's room right next to the Pr1mes from the Sheriffs Dept.! How's that for good company.  :-)5   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2005 10:44:23 -0700* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>A Subject: Re: Maybe HP should get out of the hardware business....aC Message-ID: <1114623863.373022.169920@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Bill Todd wrote: > Alan Greig wrote:  >  >   C > I'm not familiar with Intelisys and couldn't locate anything that  looked' > promising with a quick Google search.   C I meant Newisys. I'm not sure how I mangled it to Intelisys. UnlessM; it's a top secret version they are working on for Intel :-)n   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:56:34 +0100e0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>8 Subject: mysql #1030 - Got error 127 from storage engine4 Message-ID: <d4ngji$ra5$1$830fa79d@news.demon.co.uk>  4 Alpha VMS 7.3-1, Apache 2.0, php 4.3.2, mysql 4.1.9, php_msql client 3.23.49   I Using the issue tracker 4.0.4 package, it broke with no error indication.rD Using phpmyadmin indicates #1030 - Got error 127 from storage engine on the issues table.  % I'm guessing it's a mysql corruption.  Can anyone confirm ? How can I fix it ?/ Is there any known issue which could cause it ?    Cross-posted to VAMP   Thanks,  Chris0   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:33:41 +0300a# From: Mike Rechtman <mike-r@hp.com> < Subject: Re: mysql #1030 - Got error 127 from storage engine, Message-ID: <426e9772$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Chris Sharman wrote:6 > Alpha VMS 7.3-1, Apache 2.0, php 4.3.2, mysql 4.1.9, > php_msql client 3.23.49    <most of OP snipped> >  > Cross-posted to VAMP-                    ^^^^ Is this a NNTP group, / and if so what is its full name, pretty please.N > 	 > Thanks,c > Chrisa >  Thanks,  Mike   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:38:28 +0100 # From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> < Subject: Re: mysql #1030 - Got error 127 from storage engine; Message-ID: <1114591109.27355.0@nnrp-t71-02.news.clara.net>    Chris Sharman wrote:6 > Alpha VMS 7.3-1, Apache 2.0, php 4.3.2, mysql 4.1.9, > php_msql client 3.23.49  > K > Using the issue tracker 4.0.4 package, it broke with no error indication. F > Using phpmyadmin indicates #1030 - Got error 127 from storage engine > on the issues table. > ' > I'm guessing it's a mysql corruption.e > Can anyone confirm ? > How can I fix it ?1 > Is there any known issue which could cause it ?l >  > Cross-posted to VAMP > 	 > Thanks,  > Chris  >   A Possible database corruption, have you tried repairing the table,a   REPAIR TABLE <table-name>F   Ref, rI http://www.databasejournal.com/features/mysql/article.php/10897_3300511_2m   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:23:31 +010010 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>< Subject: Re: mysql #1030 - Got error 127 from storage engine4 Message-ID: <d4nlmk$8tl$1$830fa795@news.demon.co.uk>   issinoho wrote:h > Chris Sharman wrote:7 >> Alpha VMS 7.3-1, Apache 2.0, php 4.3.2, mysql 4.1.9,V >> php_mysql client 3.23.49  >>L >> Using the issue tracker 4.0.4 package, it broke with no error indication.G >> Using phpmyadmin indicates #1030 - Got error 127 from storage enginee >> on the issues table.  >>( >> I'm guessing it's a mysql corruption. >> Can anyone confirm ?S >> How can I fix it ?-2 >> Is there any known issue which could cause it ? > C > Possible database corruption, have you tried repairing the table,  >  > REPAIR TABLE <table-name>i >  > Ref, lK > http://www.databasejournal.com/features/mysql/article.php/10897_3300511_2m  G Thanks for that - repaired, but lost 9 out of 12 rows - this is only a oF test table at present, but that data loss doesn't encourage me to use 4 this in earnest - is mysql usually this unreliable ?I This is about the first day the database has been tried out by more than c	 one user.%  
 Thanks, Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:16:58 +0100A0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>< Subject: Re: mysql #1030 - Got error 127 from storage engine4 Message-ID: <d4noqr$7o3$1$830fa79f@news.demon.co.uk>   issinoho wrote:s > Chris Sharman wrote:J >> Thanks for that - repaired, but lost 9 out of 12 rows - this is only a I >> test table at present, but that data loss doesn't encourage me to use C7 >> this in earnest - is mysql usually this unreliable ?2G >> This is about the first day the database has been tried out by more g >> than one user.t > H > VAMP has been running flawlessly for months now; I've also used MySQL H > both on Linux & Windows and have never encountered corruption or loss. >  > You may just be unlucky :-(. > I > For the record, VAMP is running on 4.1.8, perhaps (9) has some issues;  @ > maybe you could backfit (8) if you continue to have a problem.  6 That's something - what sort of usage are you seeing ?H My installation was ok until yesterday, when I rolled issue-tracker out F from me personally to 3/4 other users - and one of them entereed some ) data at more or less the same time as me.nI I wonder if it relates to the version discrepancy between mysql server &  H the php mysql client - although I see from php/php_info.php that you're * running a nearly identical config to mine.  ( I also get this warning from phpMyAdmin:C "The mbstring PHP extension was not found and you seem to be using hF multibyte charset. Without mbstring extension phpMyAdmin is unable to A split strings correctly and it may result in unexpected results."h  E As I don't seem to have an mbstring extension (I assume the VMS port r? doesn't have it), and I'm not aware of any non-ascii character e< requirements (on our UK English site) I've been ignoring it.   Thanks Chriso   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:41:14 +0300o# From: Mike Rechtman <mike-r@hp.com>e< Subject: Re: mysql #1030 - Got error 127 from storage engine, Message-ID: <426ea748$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   issinoho wrote:t > Mike Rechtman wrote: >  >> >> >> Chris Sharman wrote:S >>8 >>> Alpha VMS 7.3-1, Apache 2.0, php 4.3.2, mysql 4.1.9, >>> php_msql client 3.23.49r >> >> >> >> <most of OP snipped>u >> >>>: >>> Cross-posted to VAMP >> >>/ >>                   ^^^^ Is this a NNTP group,>2 >> and if so what is its full name, pretty please. >> >>>  >>> Thanks, 	 >>> Chrisr >>> 
 >> Thanks, >> Mikel >  >  > Mike, try this,m& > http://www.issinoho.com:8080/phpbb2/ Chris S. &  issinoho Thanks for the pointer.e Mike.g   ------------------------------   Date: 27 APR 2005 10:56:56 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)< Subject: Re: mysql #1030 - Got error 127 from storage engine6 Message-ID: <27APR05.10565606@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  H In a previous article, Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote:  I ->Thanks for that - repaired, but lost 9 out of 12 rows - this is only a  H ->test table at present, but that data loss doesn't encourage me to use 6 ->this in earnest - is mysql usually this unreliable ?K ->This is about the first day the database has been tried out by more than r ->one user.n  E I've seen this (the dreaded 127 error) as well with a PHP applicationwE written by a completely inexperienced non-programmer (which of coursefF shouldn't matter). Yet MYSQL has run for weeks reliably as the backendA (no php) for RT - a far more complex and intense application (see ? http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/) with just one little problem:   H SELECTING or INSERTING TEXTLONG columns (fields) longer than 65021 bytes@ (which RT uses for column content in it's attachment table) will
 result in:    ERROR 2027: Malformed packet   or-9  ERROR 2013: Lost connection to MySQL server during queryu  : This occurs when either the client or server is vms (7.3-2F TCP5.4-ECO2) and the request traverses a network. When both client andB server are vms, all is well. It's not yet clear if this is a mysql problem.   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisonf8 --                 karcher.nomorespzm@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------   Date: 27 Apr 2005 14:49:33 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)4 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl from today from IT Weekly, Message-ID: <3d9n3sF6s4hq9U1@individual.net>  , In article <8rqdndMFqu69dfPfRVn-sA@igs.net>,& 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:$ > susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: >> ----Original Message----- >> From: Skonetski, Susan ( >> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:00 PM >> To: Skonetski, SusantF >> Subject: HP OpenVMS Pearl - from IT Weekly - Vendors enhance server! >> strategies - OK for public uses >> >> >> >> Dear Distribution Lists,e >>< >> http://www.itp.net/features/details.php?id=2585&category= >>E >> This article compares AMD, Intel, IBM, Sun, FSC, Microsoft, HP andhG >> Dell.  The portion on HP is amazing in that it mentions both OpenVMS I >> and NSK.  Obviously by the title the focus is on Servers.  In case you E >> are wondering the numbers are off, the 400K is licenses not users.a >  > K > I trust that somebody from HP will write IT Weekly to correct the article2N > (which IT Weekly ought to publish as an errata) with an *official* number ofK > VMS licences installed and in use, lest the 400,000 user number leave the M > world at large with a bad impression. I imagine that many here will be moste, > interested in that official HP number too. >   
 It's 411,000.:   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   O   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:17:43 -0400e# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>r4 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl from today from IT Weekly, Message-ID: <hp-dnVbSDtOnVPLfRVn-qA@igs.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:. > In article <8rqdndMFqu69dfPfRVn-sA@igs.net>,' > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:w% >> susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote:  >>> ----Original Message-----  >>> From: Skonetski, Susan) >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:00 PMb >>> To: Skonetski, SusanG >>> Subject: HP OpenVMS Pearl - from IT Weekly - Vendors enhance servert" >>> strategies - OK for public use >>>g >>>  >>>  >>> Dear Distribution Lists, >>>s= >>> http://www.itp.net/features/details.php?id=2585&category=, >>>pF >>> This article compares AMD, Intel, IBM, Sun, FSC, Microsoft, HP andH >>> Dell.  The portion on HP is amazing in that it mentions both OpenVMSF >>> and NSK.  Obviously by the title the focus is on Servers.  In caseC >>> you are wondering the numbers are off, the 400K is licenses noto
 >>> users. >> >>D >> I trust that somebody from HP will write IT Weekly to correct theB >> article (which IT Weekly ought to publish as an errata) with anC >> *official* number of VMS licences installed and in use, lest the5F >> 400,000 user number leave the world at large with a bad impression.G >> I imagine that many here will be most interested in that official HP6 >> number too. >> >d > It's 411,000.d    2 Oh, you mean the same number it's been since 1992?  H With the known attrition rate, there must be a LOT of new licenses beingE sold into the CIA, NSA, etc... that they can't talk about or write up  success stories.   --F OpenVMS - The never advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base.    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Apr 2005 17:38:47 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)4 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl from today from IT Weekly, Message-ID: <3da117F6sc7e2U4@individual.net>  , In article <hp-dnVbSDtOnVPLfRVn-qA@igs.net>,& 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:/ >> In article <8rqdndMFqu69dfPfRVn-sA@igs.net>,-( >> "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:& >>> susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: >>>> ----Original Message----- >>>> From: Skonetski, Susani* >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:00 PM >>>> To: Skonetski, SusanrH >>>> Subject: HP OpenVMS Pearl - from IT Weekly - Vendors enhance server# >>>> strategies - OK for public useE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Distribution Lists,D >>>>> >>>> http://www.itp.net/features/details.php?id=2585&category= >>>>G >>>> This article compares AMD, Intel, IBM, Sun, FSC, Microsoft, HP and I >>>> Dell.  The portion on HP is amazing in that it mentions both OpenVMSiG >>>> and NSK.  Obviously by the title the focus is on Servers.  In caseoD >>>> you are wondering the numbers are off, the 400K is licenses not >>>> users.  >>>t >>> E >>> I trust that somebody from HP will write IT Weekly to correct theDC >>> article (which IT Weekly ought to publish as an errata) with annD >>> *official* number of VMS licences installed and in use, lest theG >>> 400,000 user number leave the world at large with a bad impression.CH >>> I imagine that many here will be most interested in that official HP >>> number too.c >>>: >> >> It's 411,000. >  > 4 > Oh, you mean the same number it's been since 1992? > J > With the known attrition rate, there must be a LOT of new licenses beingG > sold into the CIA, NSA, etc... that they can't talk about or write upn > success stories. >   7 Well, they could, but then they would have to kill you.I   bill   -- nJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   h   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Apr 2005 17:09:26 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>% Subject: Re: OT: Requiem for a FelineM7 Message-ID: <Xns9645C2F66D525dcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>-  8 %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, leslie wrote in news:oNMbe.30749$h6.4695 @tornado.texas.rr.comS  $ >    http://www.savingsandclone.com/I >    Genetic Savings and Clone - the leading provider of pet gene banking$ >    and pet cloning services.  = The *boggle* factor is the $32K price tag for a cloned kitty.d     Doc. -- 1G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.DG http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.O   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2005 06:42:26 -0700 From: mail@sanface.com Subject: PLUG: txt2pdf 8.1B Message-ID: <1114609346.499276.40560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  . We would like to announce txt2pdf 8.1 version.# http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.htmlPE txt2pdf is shareware; it is a very flexible and powerful Perl5 scriptfB that converts text files to PDF format files, so you can use it in> every operating systems supported by Perl5, including OpenVMS.( Remember to read "txt2pdf on OpenVMS" at# http://www.sanface.com/openvms.html ; It's simple to design background like invoices, orders etc.() Here nice examples made using txt2pdf PRO - http://www.sanface.com/pdf/Purchase_Order.pdf ) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/oldinvoice.pdfe$ http://www.sanface.com/pdf/hfmus.pdf) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/heraldbill.pdf:@ If you prefer we also distribute executables for Windows, Linux,G Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, and Mac OS X. Inside the Windows version is Visualc txt2pdf, a VB GUI.   What's new in this versionG Support for Hebrew. (If you want different languages or different fontsi( for the supported languages contact us).  4 Read Independent Liquor Group PDF Invoice Project at' http://www.sanface.com/ilg-project.html0   Test txt2pdf 8.1!<6 You can find it at http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:50:55 -07000* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> Subject: Re: TK50p2 Message-ID: <3ZidnZXrhOFNO_LfRVn-ig@mpowercom.net>  6 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message & news:3d7r3sF6n4fr2U1@individual.net...F > I'm not sure of the differences in particular models (FA vs. GA) but: > I assume pretty much any of them will work for my needs. >eI As I recall the -FA was the version for the MicroVAX 2000, but would not tM work in later Vaxes such as the 3100 series.  I think the FA firmware lacked gM some SCSI commands.  The GA firmware did work with the 3100s.  I believe you uJ can upgrade an FA version by just replacing the firmware ROMS on the SCSI  adapter on top of the TK drive.    Jack Peacock p   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Apr 2005 17:44:43 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: TK50l, Message-ID: <3da1cbF6sc7e2U5@individual.net>  ' In article <426fce7f$1@news.spies.com>,." 	Al Kossow <aek@spies.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> I am back in begging mode.  >> P? >> Is there anyone who has TK50 drives (and maybe even a TK50Z)i > ) > I would suggest getting a TZ30 instead.e4 > 1/2 height, integrated SCSI control and I've found5 > them MUCH more reliable at recovering data than thet
 > TK50 or 70.  > 6 > Only downside is the head stack is more difficult to > clean.  = Oh, there's a couple more.  Rarer. More expensive. Won't worka on your typical PDP-11.  :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   f   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:40:15 -0700e From: Al Kossow <aek@spies.com>$ Subject: Re: TK50n' Message-ID: <426fce7f$1@news.spies.com>r   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > I am back in begging mode. > > > Is there anyone who has TK50 drives (and maybe even a TK50Z)  ' I would suggest getting a TZ30 instead.c2 1/2 height, integrated SCSI control and I've found3 them MUCH more reliable at recovering data than thes TK50 or 70.c  4 Only downside is the head stack is more difficult to clean.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 06:13:35 +0000 (UTC)6P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply): Subject: VMS equivalent of % xset fp+ directory_with_fonts$ Message-ID: <d4naif$7g5$1@online.de>   What is the VMS equivalent of   "    % xset fp+ directory_with_fonts   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 06:22:17 +0000 (UTC)lP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)> Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of % xset fp+ directory_with_fonts$ Message-ID: <d4nb2o$7g5$2@online.de>  D In article <d4naif$7g5$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de3 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:      > What is the VMS equivalent of  > $ >    % xset fp+ directory_with_fonts  D I am continuing my quest to get Cyrillic fonts working properly.  A / while back, I found some fonts and put them in s  *    SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON.SYSFONT.DECW]  F which was fine because there was nothing in it before.  However, when @ trying out various font packages etc it would be nice to have a G directory for each package, just to keep things organised, but also to  H allow the possibility to tell the DECwindows server to use just SOME of " the fonts rather than all of them.  H I am primarily concerned with Mozilla, but it would also be interesting E to know whether such fonts can work with Netscape at all.  I believe iF George Cook stated here or somewhere else that there was no hope with F Mosaic, except perhaps if I put some third-party fonts in a directory G which normally has only DEC stuff.  First, I don't like doing that and t, second I'm not sure it would work even then.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 01:23:41 -0500 (CDT)k* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda): Subject: VMS equivalent of % xset fp+ directory_with_fonts2 Message-ID: <05042701234120_2860027B@antinode.org>  P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)    > What is the VMS equivalent of  > $ >    % xset fp+ directory_with_fonts  <    Look for XSET in SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.DECW.UTILS].   alp $ xset q Keyboard Control:sC   auto repeat:  on    key click percent:  25    LED mask:  00000000m(   auto repeating keys:  0000000000000000(                         00000000f0011e20(                         0ffcfeffff0700d0(                         ffffffffffffffff<   bell percent:  0    bell pitch:  82    bell duration:  100 Pointer Control:%   acceleration:  7/1    threshold:  3c
 Screen Saver:o/   prefer blanking:  no    allow exposures:  yes    timeout:  1200    cycle:  600- Colors: D   default colormap:  0x21    BlackPixel:  0    WhitePixel:  16777215
 Font Path:  cN DECW$SYSCOMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.CURSOR32],DECW$SYSCOMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.CURSOR16],P DECW$SYSCOMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.100DPI],DECW$SYSCOMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.75DPI],DECW$SYP SCOMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.COMMON],DECW$SYSCOMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.SPEEDO],DECW$SYSCOMMOP N:[SYSFONT.DECW.TYPE1],CDE$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:[CONFIG.XFONTS.C.100DPI],CDE$SYSTEM_DE EFAULTS:[CONFIG.XFONTS.C.75DPI],CDE$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:[CONFIG.XFONTS.C]l' Bug Mode: compatibility mode is enableda  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org/    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:53:45 +0200 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>> Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of % xset fp+ directory_with_fonts3 Message-ID: <001201c54af5$db227a80$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,  H AFAIK is the equivalence: MCR DECW$UTILS:XSET -fp+ directory_with_fonts.! Please check it wit -? Qualifier.s   Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 04:00:04 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>r> Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of % xset fp+ directory_with_fontsB Message-ID: <1114588757.72c1842c68cff981301abfe4650429bc@teranews>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  >  > What is the VMS equivalent ofr > $ >    % xset fp+ directory_with_fonts   Not sure what xset does.  F But if you wish to make a font available after placing it in the right directory, look at:1  Y http://groups.google.ca/groups?selm=nuf68.280%24am1.4891%40news.cpqcorp.net&output=gplainM  9 A post from Mr Kleinsorge which gives a good explanation.   G FONT/DIR is the command that goes thought all font files in a directorytH and builds the font directory file. (it contains the association between7 the X font name and the cryptic file name for the font.G   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:45:23 GMT0* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>> Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of % xset fp+ directory_with_fonts0 Message-ID: <DPLbe.4571$3%.118@news.cpqcorp.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message< news:1114588757.72c1842c68cff981301abfe4650429bc@teranews...1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:R >M; > A post from Mr Kleinsorge which gives a good explanation.- > I > FONT/DIR is the command that goes thought all font files in a directorywJ > and builds the font directory file. (it contains the association between9 > the X font name and the cryptic file name for the font.B  I The xset command is, I believe, trying to set the font *path* (the placeseL to look for fonts).  This is usually set to the sys$fonts seach path.  UsingG the X11 call to change the font path needs to be done carefully.  It is-E usually easier to simply change the logical name *or* to just put theo& font in the right place to begin with.  J The font directory files were invented by the X11 folks to speed startup -B since the actual font name is embedded inside the font (and is notC the filename as it originally was done) this eliminates the need toaG open every font file in the font path.  Alias files are also there, and ( allow fonts to have other name mappings.  G If you add a new font, you need to rebuild the font directory file that/B is located in the same directory as the font by using the FONT/DIRB command.  You then need to force the server to reset the font path: (re-read the font directories) or just restart the server.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2005 10:00:46 -0700$ From: "Craig Dedo" <cdedo@wi.rr.com>0 Subject: What is Different or Special About VMS?C Message-ID: <1114621246.207240.321290@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   @ Recently, I have been asked to make a presentation about the VMSE operating system to an introductory computer science class at an area G high school.  The time for the presentation, including Q&A, will last adB little under an hour.  Most of the students are at an introductory1 level in terms of software development expertise.   C The teacher has asked me to concentrate on what makes VMS differenttE from other operating systems, e.g., Windows or the various Unixes.  Ii@ should answer the question, "Why should a person choose VMS as a$ development or production platform?"  C I have done VMS software development for 20 years, so I know a fair.D amount about the operating system.  Most of my recent experience has* been in the area of manufacturing systems.   Here are some of my own ideas.1 * DCL is easy to learn, use, and fairly intuitiveM * Documentation is superbE
 * Security * Robustness$ * OS-wide Procedure Calling Standard% * OS-wide Condition Handling Standard 3 * Mixed language software development is faily easyn9 * Software upgrades are relatively easy & straightforwardI  > I would like the readers to respond with their own ideas.  Any2 constructive ideas would be very much appreciated.  
 Sincerely,< Craig T. Dedo                   Voice Phone:  (262) 783-5869< 17130 W. Burleigh Place         Fax Phone:    (262) 783-5928? Brookfield, WI   53005-2759     E-mail:       <cdedo@wi.rr.com>< USAy   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Apr 2005 17:16:13 GMT$ From: "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com>4 Subject: Re: What is Different or Special About VMS?6 Message-ID: <Xns9645C41E1E7Edcovmsrox@212.100.160.126>  A %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Craig Dedo wrote in news:1114621246.207240.321290l @l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.comd   <snip>    > Here are some of my own ideas.3 > * DCL is easy to learn, use, and fairly intuitived > * Documentation is superbh > * Security > * Robustness& > * OS-wide Procedure Calling Standard' > * OS-wide Condition Handling Standardo5 > * Mixed language software development is faily easyg; > * Software upgrades are relatively easy & straightforward7 > @ > I would like the readers to respond with their own ideas.  Any4 > constructive ideas would be very much appreciated.  I You've picked out the things that are obvious if you have no involvement  D in systems management/administration.  In that area (and associated B problem/disaster management) things like clustering are special.  H However, they're not that simple to explain when you have to detail the G differences between VMS clustering and what almost everyone else calls k clustering.      Doc. -- iG OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.rG http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:15:56 -04001# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t4 Subject: Re: What is Different or Special About VMS?, Message-ID: <hp-dnVfSDtOnVPLfRVn-qA@igs.net>   Craig Dedo wrote:iB > Recently, I have been asked to make a presentation about the VMSG > operating system to an introductory computer science class at an areaoG > high school.  The time for the presentation, including Q&A, will lastkF > a little under an hour.  Most of the students are at an introductory3 > level in terms of software development expertise.t >nE > The teacher has asked me to concentrate on what makes VMS differentuG > from other operating systems, e.g., Windows or the various Unixes.  IrB > should answer the question, "Why should a person choose VMS as a& > development or production platform?" > E > I have done VMS software development for 20 years, so I know a fair6F > amount about the operating system.  Most of my recent experience has, > been in the area of manufacturing systems. >r  > Here are some of my own ideas.3 > * DCL is easy to learn, use, and fairly intuitivee > * Documentation is superbs > * Security > * Robustness& > * OS-wide Procedure Calling Standard' > * OS-wide Condition Handling Standardu5 > * Mixed language software development is faily easya; > * Software upgrades are relatively easy & straightforwardh >r@ > I would like the readers to respond with their own ideas.  Any4 > constructive ideas would be very much appreciated.  5 You can (in your own words suitable to the audience):   I - Cluster individual systems together, each with dozens of processors, to7I create one large virtual machine. When your students start working in the I real world they can be comforted to know that even if they run out of cpu L slots in one box they can simply add boxes to create a more powerful system.J - Disaster tolerance second to none. Your cluster can be setup to span 500K miles right out-of-the-box, and can span longer distances if required. That D way when the big meteor hits the company your students then own willL survive. Even NSK can lose transactions under certain circumstances across a6 cluster, so there's no advantage to NSK in that sense.I - It's been 64-bits for nearly 13 years, not like some Johnny-Come-LatelyL) operating systems, so it's well debugged.eJ - It can operate as a real-time os when the need/application calls for it. No need to learn another os.J - They can get VMS running for nearly nothing on a laptop/desktop by using? SimH and a VMS hobbyist license - there's a school project.....d< - It was designed as a cohesive whole - vs. a hodge-podge of semi-contradictory concepts.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:25:21 -0400j From: norm.raphael@metso.com4 Subject: Re: What is Different or Special About VMS?Q Message-ID: <OF5B7866DF.97C48143-ON85256FF0.005F7A94-85256FF0.005F8C0F@metso.com>   ? "Craig Dedo" <cdedo@wi.rr.com> wrote on 04/27/2005 01:00:46 PM:n  B > Recently, I have been asked to make a presentation about the VMSG > operating system to an introductory computer science class at an areacI > high school.  The time for the presentation, including Q&A, will last agD > little under an hour.  Most of the students are at an introductory3 > level in terms of software development expertise.  >iE > The teacher has asked me to concentrate on what makes VMS different G > from other operating systems, e.g., Windows or the various Unixes.  I B > should answer the question, "Why should a person choose VMS as a& > development or production platform?" >iE > I have done VMS software development for 20 years, so I know a fair F > amount about the operating system.  Most of my recent experience has, > been in the area of manufacturing systems. >a  > Here are some of my own ideas.3 > * DCL is easy to learn, use, and fairly intuitive  > * Documentation is superb  > * Security > * Robustness& > * OS-wide Procedure Calling Standard' > * OS-wide Condition Handling Standarda5 > * Mixed language software development is faily easy ; > * Software upgrades are relatively easy & straightforwardo > @ > I would like the readers to respond with their own ideas.  Any4 > constructive ideas would be very much appreciated.  < Do not forget that the executable can migrate as-is (in most9 cases) or very easily from any old VAX to any newer Alphar to any new IA64.   >e > Sincerely,> > Craig T. Dedo                   Voice Phone:  (262) 783-5869> > 17130 W. Burleigh Place         Fax Phone:    (262) 783-5928A > Brookfield, WI   53005-2759     E-mail:       <cdedo@wi.rr.com>  > USAr >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:24:06 -0700P# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>b4 Subject: Re: What is Different or Special About VMS?( Message-ID: <opspwimgfhzgicya@hyrrokkin>  C On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:25:21 -0400, <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote:   > > Do not forget that the executable can migrate as-is (in most; > cases) or very easily from any old VAX to any newer Alpha. > to any new IA64.  A That is hardly a selling point, since it exposes foolish businessl
 practices.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:36:58 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t4 Subject: Re: What is Different or Special About VMS?, Message-ID: <VJKdnRSQK_8nUPLfRVn-vQ@igs.net>   Craig Dedo wrote:eB > Recently, I have been asked to make a presentation about the VMSG > operating system to an introductory computer science class at an area|G > high school.  The time for the presentation, including Q&A, will last-F > a little under an hour.  Most of the students are at an introductory3 > level in terms of software development expertise.y >HE > The teacher has asked me to concentrate on what makes VMS different.G > from other operating systems, e.g., Windows or the various Unixes.  IGB > should answer the question, "Why should a person choose VMS as a& > development or production platform?" >nE > I have done VMS software development for 20 years, so I know a fairaF > amount about the operating system.  Most of my recent experience has, > been in the area of manufacturing systems. >-  > Here are some of my own ideas.3 > * DCL is easy to learn, use, and fairly intuitive  > * Documentation is superb  > * Security > * Robustness& > * OS-wide Procedure Calling Standard' > * OS-wide Condition Handling Standard 5 > * Mixed language software development is faily easy ; > * Software upgrades are relatively easy & straightforwardk >,@ > I would like the readers to respond with their own ideas.  Any4 > constructive ideas would be very much appreciated.       No viruses.s Plays well with others. :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:38:57 GMTh! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>t4 Subject: Re: What is Different or Special About VMS?8 Message-ID: <m9jv6154lje68pa6l28qc4ktbbgihqpnta@4ax.com>  B On 27 Apr 2005 17:16:13 GMT, "Doc." <doc@openvms-rocks.com> wrote:  B >%NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Craig Dedo wrote in news:1114621246.207240.321290 >@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >. ><snip>h >.! >> Here are some of my own ideas.s4 >> * DCL is easy to learn, use, and fairly intuitive >> * Documentation is superb
 >> * Securityt >> * Robustness ' >> * OS-wide Procedure Calling Standard ( >> * OS-wide Condition Handling Standard6 >> * Mixed language software development is faily easy< >> * Software upgrades are relatively easy & straightforward >> mA >> I would like the readers to respond with their own ideas.  Anye5 >> constructive ideas would be very much appreciated.t > J >You've picked out the things that are obvious if you have no involvement E >in systems management/administration.  In that area (and associated kC >problem/disaster management) things like clustering are special.  sI >However, they're not that simple to explain when you have to detail the 'H >differences between VMS clustering and what almost everyone else calls  >clustering. >e >a >Doc.n  I I've found OpenVMS clustering very simple to explain to my UNIX & Windows L colleagues. It's a shared file system that is transparent to the user. DisksK mounted cluster wide are accessible just as if they were local. Add in hostaJ based volume shadowing & failover & scalability is obvious. Not to mention6 managing multiple physical systems as a single entity.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurl   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2005 23:45:22 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)wC Subject: Re: [ECP V5.5A] Unrecognized ECP/Collect data file version.= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0504262245.2c4e7dfc@posting.google.com>t  j peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<426e5e63$1@news.langstoeger.at>...g > In article <a98cd882.0504260126.75d4930e@posting.google.com>, Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) writes:>7 > >I think it is a matter of priorities. Have a look atrH > >ECP$LIBRARY:ECP$MANAGER.COM, it looks like an excersise in the use ofI > >F$GETQUI and F$CVTIME. When you put so much effort in that there is no ' > >spare time to do other things right.l > , > Wow, that's cynical. Where is the smiley ? > F > >I still believe it is possible to create source code which compilesD > >cleanly, without warnings which propagate to the linker. But thatI > >seems too much to ask these days. Let alone implementing things right:iF > >filenames MUST be case INsensitive! Only really braindead operating9 > >systems have case sensitivity. Even Weendoze does not!, > ) > Do you perhaps know whom to blame ? ;-)aN > btw. U**X is case sensitive, this means you call it more braindead than M$ ?  - Yes, indeed I do! And here is the smiley: :-)n  D I think the blame belongs to HP which has outsourced the developmentA of this package (I assume) without giving the contractor detailed>C instructions regarding coding quality. And, of course, not doing QAe afterwards.n  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.234 ************************