1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 01 Aug 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 425       Contents:= Re: Best way to install Hobbyist license file when upgrading? = Re: Best way to install Hobbyist license file when upgrading? ! Re: Collapsing a bound volume set ! Re: Collapsing a bound volume set 0 Re: Creating Custom Printer Banner Page in DCPS? Dropping TCPIP$SMTP's priority8 Foreskins In Space was Re: Question about the astronauts/ Humor: Abbott and Costello on buying a computer 3 Re: Humor: Abbott and Costello on buying a computer 3 Re: Humor: Abbott and Costello on buying a computer 2 Re: improve file system performance related to BEA2 Re: improve file system performance related to BEAB Re: New Beta Google Groups format (was Re: comp.os.vms archives ?)  VAXstation 3100 m38 disk bracket$ Re: VAXstation 3100 m38 disk bracket$ Re: VAXstation 3100 m38 disk bracket Re: What exactly is PGFLQUOTA  Re: What exactly is PGFLQUOTA  Re: What exactly is PGFLQUOTA B Re: What is DKA100:XQPCACHE, Extent cache, etc., from SH DEV D/FU?B Re: What is DKA100:XQPCACHE, Extent cache, etc., from SH DEV D/FU?= Re: [OT] Rounding v Truncation, was: Re: Platform Support vs. = Re: [OT] Rounding v Truncation, was: Re: Platform Support vs.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:26:39 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)F Subject: Re: Best way to install Hobbyist license file when upgrading?; Message-ID: <42ed09cf.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   " Gremlin <not-here@all.mate> wrote:L > When I get my annual update of the license, what would you suggest as the N > best way to install the licences?  In the past I have just run the .com and K > all is fine, but should I uninstall/delete the previous licenses to keep  4 > things clean?  Does it make any difference at all?  @ You get a message at startup for every license that has expired.F Unfortunately, there is no $LICENSE DELETE /EXPIRED. But if you searchI this group's archives, you'll find a procedure someone posted to generate ) the appropriate $LICENSE DELETE commands.    N > Also, how far in advance can you get the license upgrade?  Mine expires mid M > August, but when I tried last week, I received a file with the same expiry  M > dates....so, can you get "next" year's expiry dates a week in advance, two   > weeks?........  ? I have saved a post (<msgid:38BE9D5D.16D3@ups.edu>) which says:   G   The same thing happened to me a few weeks ago. I emailed the hobbyist H   site explaining everything. The reply was you can renew within 30 days   of the expiration date.   B So it seems you've missed the 30 days deadline by a few days only.   cu,    Martin --  ;    OpenVMS @ 25      | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules! .                      | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deA    Still exceeding   |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 5    expectations      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:19:50 +1000# From: "Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate> F Subject: Re: Best way to install Hobbyist license file when upgrading?/ Message-ID: <42ed78b5$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>    Thanks everyone   9 I will load the new and tidy up the old in the next week.     / "Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate> wrote in message  ' news:42ecaa3d@duster.adelaide.on.net...  > Hi All > L > When I get my annual update of the license, what would you suggest as the J > best way to install the licences?  In the past I have just run the .com J > and all is fine, but should I uninstall/delete the previous licenses to 9 > keep things clean?  Does it make any difference at all?  > J > Also, how far in advance can you get the license upgrade?  Mine expires J > mid August, but when I tried last week, I received a file with the same G > expiry dates....so, can you get "next" year's expiry dates a week in   > advance, two weeks?........  >  > Thanks >    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2005 13:56:49 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>* Subject: Re: Collapsing a bound volume setB Message-ID: <1122843409.282172.85560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > prep@prep.synonet.com wrote: > > * > > "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes: > > J > > > I'm far from being an expert in bound volume sets so I hope what I'mM > > > trying to do is possible...  I've got a 4-member bound volume set on an K > > > HSJ-50 that I'd like to migrate to a new single volume on an EVA.  Is I > > > it possible to migrate all of the files to a single member and then F > > > eliminate the volume set by mirroring the remaining volume to anK > > > EVA-based disk?  I'm trying to avoid using VMSbackup for this because M > > > the directory hierarchy consists of lots and lots of little files and I M > > > don't want to take the volume offline for that long unless I don't have  > > > a choice.  > > H > > The help for MOUNT /BIND has the answer, /IMAGE backup, then restoreH > > to a volume /NOINIT. INITing it with a `big enough' header count etcJ > > of course. Tweeking the XQP for it would help too, if you are creating > > lots of files. > I > Remember to use INIT /MAXIMUM_FILES to pre-extend INDEXF.SYS as well as H > /HEADERS or you'll be in deep stuff faster than a spinlock timeout can > cause a bug-check/crash.  D This hasn't been true for a while (since at least v6.2). Still don't believe me David? Why?  ( See (SAAURLW) (sorry about any URL wrap)   http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_frm/thread/37736f81f44e5263/62dbb9ac233ea900?q=%22do+you+really+need+it+to+be%22&rnum=1#62dbb9ac233ea900   and read post number 12 or find   @    Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0412011624.2a39b2c3@posting.google.com>    G STILL don't believe me? Init a scratch disk with default no. of headers 6 (16). Add files until INDEXF.SYS is forced to expand.    [...]    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:23:03 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>* Subject: Re: Collapsing a bound volume set+ Message-ID: <42ED9596.B49FA968@comcast.net>   
 AEF wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote:   > > prep@prep.synonet.com wrote: > > > , > > > "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes: > > > L > > > > I'm far from being an expert in bound volume sets so I hope what I'mO > > > > trying to do is possible...  I've got a 4-member bound volume set on an M > > > > HSJ-50 that I'd like to migrate to a new single volume on an EVA.  Is K > > > > it possible to migrate all of the files to a single member and then H > > > > eliminate the volume set by mirroring the remaining volume to anM > > > > EVA-based disk?  I'm trying to avoid using VMSbackup for this because O > > > > the directory hierarchy consists of lots and lots of little files and I O > > > > don't want to take the volume offline for that long unless I don't have  > > > > a choice.  > > > J > > > The help for MOUNT /BIND has the answer, /IMAGE backup, then restoreJ > > > to a volume /NOINIT. INITing it with a `big enough' header count etcL > > > of course. Tweeking the XQP for it would help too, if you are creating > > > lots of files. > > K > > Remember to use INIT /MAXIMUM_FILES to pre-extend INDEXF.SYS as well as J > > /HEADERS or you'll be in deep stuff faster than a spinlock timeout can > > cause a bug-check/crash. > F > This hasn't been true for a while (since at least v6.2). Still don't > believe me David? Why?  D Friday a.m., I talked to a former partner of mine from another site.H They're still running V7.1-2 - and he's not the oldest version I know of still in production.  A I don't assume that everyone's up to the latest and least stable.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:33:08 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 9 Subject: Re: Creating Custom Printer Banner Page in DCPS? - Message-ID: <87y87ndjgb.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   A "Christopher Story" <ke6rwj@spam-eater-remove-me-msn.com> writes:   E >     The default banner also has the OS and Software versions, which D > our corporate security policy prohibits.  They are forcing all theD > user facing materials to limit the information exposure.  (getting; > into a VMS is super secure conversation, does not work on B > non-technical manager (executive) types) even the windows / UnixE > people had to change many of the system generated banners to custom  > ones.   F Security by obscurity, NOT! When will the feeking idiots ever learn...     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:05:40 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Dropping TCPIP$SMTP's priority , Message-ID: <42ED6753.7C501CCC@teksavvy.com>  D Whenever lots of spam was attempting to come in, I was noticing real( sluggishness in my system's performance.  L Low and behold, I found that the account TCPIP$SMTP's priority was set to 8.L So when a spammer wanted to send me stuff, he would monopolise my system (orD when legitimate users sent legitimate messages that were quite big).  < I changed the UAF's priority to 3. Seems to be smoother now.  N Has anyone else tried lowering the priority from 8 to something "background" ? Any pitfalls ?   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2005 17:49:24 -0700 From: darrint68@aol.com A Subject: Foreskins In Space was Re: Question about the astronauts C Message-ID: <1122857364.443292.126000@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Nomen Nescio wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote:  > @ > >Does NASA require that all astronauts have to be circumcised? > > M > >I'd hate to be up there sharing close quarters with some guy whose dick is  > >a cheese making factory!  > > 6 > >I think circumcised is better because it's cleaner. > J > Sheesh, Mezei, why don't you save your foreskin and smegma wrath for the > women astronauts!  > I > After all, women typically produce a lot more smegma than men do, since J > their genitals have more folds and nooks and crannies where the "cheese" > can accumulate.  > E > Did you even know that women produce smegma too?  Did you know they R > have a foreskin too?  Yes, it's called the clitoral hood.  You should know this,Z > after all, it is you who likes to troll the newsgroups with ID's like "Flapping Labias",T > "Throbbing Vulva", "Popped Cherry", "Deep Fried Foreskin", "Aroma of Smegma", etc. > S > Do you promote female circumcision too?  You probably do, since it would give you > > yet another excuse to go digging between little girls' legs. > F > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/2094041a300b0c15  = Ah, I see that we have another Foreskinstein (coined by yours E truly!ehe) Flunky of Human Anatomy 101!ehehe Unfortunately for women, @ God forgot to design a back up plan!eh Due to the differences inE physiology, women have no choice but to put up with their odoriferous C emanations. Even if one were to excise the labia minora/majora, one F would still be left with the clitoris (aka sebaceous ridden foreskin),G which unlike the male prepuce, is the epicenter for pleasure.  The head E of the glans penis (not the foreskin) is where the greatest degree of G sensation lies. The answer is no different than the old adage: "Why can C a dog lick his balls!?" "Because he can!" eh "Why can we circumcise B infants & men!?" "Because we can!" eh Not only can we, but we also6 benefit from doing so - both medically & cosmetically!E  You also forget that men are led by their noses. We are the horniest A creatures on the planet. As long as we have a warm hole to nestle F inside of, we will generally tolerate anything!ehe And that "anything"G includes the fishy-scented snatch!ehe Women should not have to tolerate E our emanations - the same cottage cheese-like fumes (aka smegma) that F can just as easily be eradicated with one simple & safe snip! The maleE prepuce serves no useful function (ie. wisdom teeth, appendix), other D than to cause a lifetime of unwanted hassles and upkeep. Correction:G other than being tossed in a skin graft bin for future burn victims, it  serves no useful function! LOL! F  Foreskin is a cesspool for disease, and is responsible for a 2-8 foldG increase in the acquisition and transmission of HIV/AIDS. When you have G a moist flap of skin that continually harbors bacteria,  the chances of C being exposed to a host of foreskin-related maladies will increase. G Forget about what medical science says, my eyesight alone tells me that D foreskin is an abomination on the senses! As John "The Elephant Man"E Merrick once said: "I am not an animal, I am a human being!" You have < to ask yourself the following: "Do I want to PLOTZ with thatF identifying heathen marker, or do I want to come join the human race?"G ehe In the 21st century, humans should not have to SHLEP around remnant E appendages. We've been able to exist without foreskin for centuries!! G  If a flap of skin grew over your TUSH, would you revel in the bacteria F that it traps, or would you run to the doctor to have it removed!? WhyF should the male prepuce be any different? Why!? It's different becauseE you & the rest of the scab scavengers (coined by yours truly!ehe) are G unable to disassociate the foreskin (not the penis) from a simple, safe G & beneficial procedure. Circumcision IS the most commonly performed cut D in all of medicine, occurring more frequently than tooth extraction.C  In the USA (most powerful, influential & circumcised nation in the = world), approx. 60% of newborns (regardless of ethnicity) are G circumcised, averaging 1.5M routine infant circumcisions per year. Over G 80% of the American adult male population is circumcised.  The #1 adult D male performer of all-time happens to be a circumcised Jew: Ron "The< Hedgehog" Jeremy (b. Hyatt, Queens, NY). Tens of millions ofE circumcised men are happily SHTUPPING away! So much for the anti-circ F claim that circumcision causes severe psychological & physical damage! LOL!B  Norman, where in the world are you!?ehe I ask because you have toG train your heathenish mind to view circumcision with sensible eyes. You G have to learn how to break free from the cultural chains that bind you. G You have to learn how to place reason before emotion. You have to learn D how to err on the side of caution & civility. FOREsight + FOREskin =F inevitability of circumcision. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure! Be wise, circumcise! F  As for the original discussion? Months in space + no water + foreskinF + smegma (aka pre-cancerous gunk) = uncircumcised astronauts must stay@ on the other side of the spacecraft!?ehehehee Not even "no rinseF shampoo" is going to remove the rankness of that useless scab of skin!F eh Remember, soap (irritant) has been known to exacerbate the existingB foreskin condition, causing the bacteria (aka smegma) to mulyiply.D While penile hygiene is said to protect against the complications ofG the uncircumcised state, there is actually no study to show any benefit > to penile hygiene, nor any practically way to do such a study,C considering the problem of documenting scrupulous hygiene over very  long periods of time. G  IOW, you can scrub your smelly PUTZ like an incessant marsupial in the B wild, and it shall never prevent the production or accumulation ofC smegma. The only known cure is circumcision. e.g. A circumcised man E abstains from bathing for 2 weeks. While he will definitely have some C odor in that area, his SHMECKLE will still retain the appearance of @ cleanliness. Take an uncircumcised man and place him in the sameA scenario, and you may find everything but the kitchen sink hiding C underneath his fugly folds. ehe The lint alone is enough to make 20 B T-shirts!eheheh -D, NYC "The anti-circumcision craze has developed@ because groups of conservative, sensitive, medically misinformed@ individuals, some with fanatical emotionalism, have not seen the@ consequences of a society where males are not circumcised. WhileB medical prophylactic measures are readily accepted by our society,G surgical prophylaxis is in danger of being discarded by an overemphasis F on the return to the "natural." The intense pain of natural childbirthG is seen as a reward while the minor discomfort, if any, of circumcision A is magnified beyond reason." - DR.GERALD WEISS.."The Egg Cream is G psychologically the opposite of circumcision - it pleasurably reaffirms G your Jewishness!" eh - MEL BROOKS (b. Kaminsky, umpteenth sweet, Jewish D NYer)..."In New York, even if you're Catholic, you're Jewish. If youA live in Butte, Montana, you're going to be Goyish, even if you're A Jewish!" eh - LENNY BRUCE (b. Leonard Alfred Schneider, umpteenth  sweet, Jewish NYer) D http://tinyurl.com/6dvwv (Most Common Medical procedures in the US - Circumcision tops list) E http://tinyurl.com/5h9su (Circumcision provides a 2-8 protective fold  against HIV)F http://tinyurl.com/4dr94 (Neonatal Circumcision: A Current Appraisal - Dr. Thomas E. Wiswell,FAAP) G http://tinyurl.com/4nedr (Benefits of circumcision - Prof. Brian Morris  - 30+ years of unbias research) > http://tinyurl.com/6d9e7 (Circumcision - a lifetime of medicalB benefits: Women's Sexual Penile Preference, Sexual Activity, Psych Effect) B http://tinyurl.com/3nk5u (Neonatal Circumcision Is Necessary - Dr.
 Gerald Weiss) 2 http://tinyurl.com/3juvb (New York Jewish History)- http://tinyurl.com/4c6wf (Unabashedly Jewish) ? http://tinyurl.com/3npsf (NYC - safest, largest city in the US) 5 http://tinyurl.com/3qkd3 (NYC Statistics & Fun Facts) B http://tinyurl.com/3c6kk (Top 10 Places America Goes To Have Fun -
 Times Square) D http://tinyurl.com/3nyhl (America's 5 Most/Least Expensive Cities To$ Live In:  #1 - NYC - most expensive)8 http://tinyurl.com/46f53 (NY, NY - Capital Of The World)E http://www.forbes.com (NY: 3 of Top 5 Most Expensive Homes in the US) @ http://tinyurl.com/5zmb6 (Temple Emanu-El, NYC - World's Largest	 Synagogue G http://tinyurl.com/5gs58 (Brach's - World's Largest Kosher Supermarket,  NY) E http://tinyurl.com/5phxf (US Study - Jews Richer Because Of Religion) E http://tinyurl.com/5gd3p (A Study In Differences - Are Jews Smarter?) ? http://tinyurl.com/38m6o (Jewish population of the US by State) 9 http://tinyurl.com/666cx (Jewish population of the World) . http://tinyurl.com/68ttu (Jewish Nobel Prizes)D http://tinyurl.com/6qb5e (Is It True - Do Jews Win More Nobel Prizes than anyone else?)C http://tinyurl.com/4cz9j (Tel-Aviv - Top 10 High-Tech Cities In The  World)1 http://tinyurl.com/6exvb (Phenomenon Of The Jews) 5 http://tinyurl.com/ihif (Jews, IQs & Nobel Laureates) F http://tinyurl.com/5tn7u (Do Jews Run Hollywood!? You Bet They do, and what of it?)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:31:45 -0400 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> 8 Subject: Humor: Abbott and Costello on buying a computer7 Message-ID: <8660a3a105073120311b82db59@mail.gmail.com>   > I apologies in advance to those who are not familiar with this American comedy team-   ? If Bud Abbott and Lou Costello were alive today, their infamous D sketch, "Who's on first?" might have turned out something like this:  , COSTELLO CALLS TO BUY A COMPUTER FROM ABBOTT  3 ABBOTT: Super Duper computer store. Can I help you?   E COSTELLO: Thanks. I'm setting up an office in my den and I'm thinking  about buying a computer.   ABBOTT: Mac?   COSTELLO: No, the name's Lou.    ABBOTT: Your computer?  4 COSTELLO: I don't own a computer. I want to buy one.   ABBOTT: Mac?  $ COSTELLO: I told you, my name's Lou.   ABBOTT: What about Windows?   * COSTELLO: Why? Will it get stuffy in here?  , ABBOTT: Do you want a computer with Windows?  C COSTELLO: I don't know. What will I see when I look at the windows?    ABBOTT: Wallpaper.  A COSTELLO: Never mind the windows. I need a computer and software.    ABBOTT: Software for Windows?   B COSTELLO: No. On the computer! I need something I can use to write@ proposals, track expenses and run my business. What do you have?   ABBOTT: Office.   : COSTELLO: Yeah, for my office. Can you recommend anything?   ABBOTT: I just did.    COSTELLO: You just did what?   ABBOTT: Recommend something.  $ COSTELLO: You recommended something?   ABBOTT: Yes.   COSTELLO: For my office?   ABBOTT: Yes.  3 COSTELLO: OK, what did you recommend for my office?    ABBOTT: Office.    COSTELLO: Yes, for my office!   ( ABBOTT: I recommend Office with Windows.  C COSTELLO: I already have an office with windows! OK, let's just say C I'm sitting at my computer and I want to type a proposal. What do I  need?   
 ABBOTT: Word.    COSTELLO: What word?   ABBOTT: Word in Office.   , COSTELLO: The only word in office is office.  ' ABBOTT: The Word in Office for Windows.   + COSTELLO: Which word in office for windows?   5 ABBOTT: The Word you get when you click the blue "W".   B COSTELLO: I'm going to click your blue "w" if you don't start withA some straight answers. OK, forget that. Can I watch movies on the 	 Internet?    ABBOTT: Yes, you want Real One.   D COSTELLO: Maybe a real one, maybe a cartoon. What I watch is none of( your business. Just tell me what I need!   ABBOTT: Real One.   F COSTELLO: If it's a long movie, I also want to watch reels 2, 3 and 4. Can I watch them?    ABBOTT: Of course.   COSTELLO: Great! With what?    ABBOTT: Real One.   K COSTELLO: OK, I'm at my computer and I want to watch a movie. What do I do?    ABBOTT: You click the blue "1".   $ COSTELLO: I click the blue one what?   ABBOTT: The blue "1".   , COSTELLO: Is that different from the blue w?  : ABBOTT: The blue "1" is Real One and the blue "W" is Word.   COSTELLO: What word?  ' ABBOTT: The Word in Office for Windows.   < COSTELLO: But there are three words in "office for windows"!  B ABBOTT: No, just one. But it's the most popular Word in the world.   COSTELLO: It is?  C ABBOTT: Yes, but to be fair, there aren't many other Words left. It 4 pretty much wiped out all the other Words out there.  $ COSTELLO: And that word is real one?  F ABBOTT: Real One has nothing to do with Word. Real One isn't even part
 of Office.  < COSTELLO: STOP! Don't start that again. What about financial9 bookkeeping? You have anything I can track my money with?    ABBOTT: Money.  ) COSTELLO: That's right. What do you have?    ABBOTT: Money.  ) COSTELLO: I need money to track my money?   , ABBOTT: It comes bundled with your computer.  * COSTELLO: What's bundled with my computer?   ABBOTT: Money.  ' COSTELLO: Money comes with my computer?    ABBOTT: Yes. No extra charge.   = COSTELLO: I get a bundle of money with my computer? How much?    ABBOTT: One copy.   ) COSTELLO: Isn't it illegal to copy money?   2 ABBOTT: Microsoft gave us a license to copy Money.  4 COSTELLO: They can give you a license to copy money?   ABBOTT: Why not? THEY OWN IT!    (A few days later)  3 ABBOTT: Super Duper computer store. Can I help you?   ( COSTELLO: How do I turn my computer off?   ABBOTT: Click on "START"   --=20 C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2005 20:59:14 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>< Subject: Re: Humor: Abbott and Costello on buying a computerC Message-ID: <1122868754.484365.179480@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    William Webb wrote: @ > I apologies in advance to those who are not familiar with this > American comedy team-  > A > If Bud Abbott and Lou Costello were alive today, their infamous F > sketch, "Who's on first?" might have turned out something like this: > . > COSTELLO CALLS TO BUY A COMPUTER FROM ABBOTT > 5 > ABBOTT: Super Duper computer store. Can I help you?  [...]      Great!  3 But how is it infamous? Famous maybe, but infamous?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:42:07 -0700 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>< Subject: Re: Humor: Abbott and Costello on buying a computer0 Message-ID: <BF13043F.11A64%roktsci@comcast.net>   > * > COSTELLO: How do I turn my computer off? >  > ABBOTT: Click on "START"  I Great! I especially like the end! I can just foresee something similar...   # COSTELO: What makes the server run?    ABBOTT: UNIX  ; COSTELLO: Why would the IT department want to hire Eunuchs?    :   # COSTELLO: How do I search for text?   
 ABBOTT: grep!    COSTELLO: Grip what?   :   9 COSTELLO: What is the most secure Operating System today?    ABBOTT: VMS.  E COSTELLO: I DEMAND THAT YOU TELL ME WHAT OPERATING SYSTEM IS THE MOST  SECURE!   " ABBOTT: Why are you yelling at me?  ? COSTELLO: I thought you wanted me to be more vehemous with you?   < ABBOTT: I'm already a VMS GURU, I'm glad you want to be too.   Etc...  J By the way, I don't think you mean the "Who's on First?" bit is "infamous"3 which means Well Known for some bad reason or deed.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 07:26:39 +0200 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>; Subject: Re: improve file system performance related to BEA < Message-ID: <42edb277$0$24559$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk>   Arne Vajhj wrote:: > I am convinced that the biggest factor is that during an> > app-server start a lot of files get written (I have not used; > WebLogic, but that is usually the case). Writing files is ; > normally much slower on VMS than on Windows/Unix, because = > VMS has a long history of writing=writing physical to disk, > > while other OS's consider the write done as soon as the data@ > is in a system buffer somewhere. That VMS strategy is good for9 > not loosing data and slow for saving stuff that can get $ > recreated if they should get lost.   For comparison:   % Windows PC (JBoss 3.2.7 / Java 1.4.2)       11s:766ms  " VMS box (JBoss 3.0.2 / Java 1.4.1)      2m:20s:886ms    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 07:32:52 +0200 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>; Subject: Re: improve file system performance related to BEA < Message-ID: <42edb3ed$0$76169$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk>   Richard Maher wrote: > Just out of curiosity. . . > G > Presumably there's a business requirement somewhere (apart from "C.V. % > Builder") that says one must use: -  > 
 >>application  >>Java >>C  >>RMS  >>system >  > ?   ? No - there are a "requirement" stating that this is approx. the + only possible way of coding in Java on VMS.   ' The application uses Java IO libraries.   - The Java IO libraries use the C IO libraries.    The C IO libraries uses RMS.   RMS uses system IO.   J > I know you're trying to solve a specific problem and I hate replies likeN > this one "I wouldn't have started from there if I were you :-)" but when theM > dust settles and you get a chance to look back in hind-sight, I'd just like J > to know why someone would voluntarily relinquish such control over theirK > application with SOooo many layers of crud just to satisfy requirement X.   4 There are just one extra layer compared to any other, language on VMS (Java & C compared to XXXX).  2 There are just one extra layer compared to Java on* any other platform (they do not have RMS).    Everything is completely normal.   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2005 13:47:39 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>K Subject: Re: New Beta Google Groups format (was Re: comp.os.vms archives ?) C Message-ID: <1122842859.618585.133040@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: E > In article <1122742677.076339.215590@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, ( > "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: > G > > As for me, I've finally gotten used to the new format and just live 9 > > with it. I still don't like it, but what ya gonna do?  > 5 > Use a real newsreader running on a VMS system?  :-)     A Well, what would it take? Currently my VAX systems are not on the 0 Internet except for one which gets time signals.  D Don't I need a newsfeed? Wouldn't that run into some money? Storage?
 Bandwidth?  E Goggle Groups, despite it's new stupid interface, is free and already F is working. Alternatives would appear to involve much time, money, and effort.    JMHO   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2005 19:29:03 -0700- From: "ejrivas@gmail.com" <ejrivas@gmail.com> ) Subject: VAXstation 3100 m38 disk bracket C Message-ID: <1122863343.069207.218370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   E I have a VAXstation 3100 m38 that has been sitting on the floor of my D room for a while, and I just got a hold of a DEC SCSI disk (a nice 1G gig).  The VAXstation doesn't have a disk bracket or any obvious way of E mounting the disk (nor does the disk itself).  Just wondering how the C disk is suppose to be mounted in the case as googleing has revealed  nothing.   Thanks.    -- Eric   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:56:40 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)- Subject: Re: VAXstation 3100 m38 disk bracket 2 Message-ID: <05073121564041_2020ED10@antinode.org>  - From: "ejrivas@gmail.com" <ejrivas@gmail.com>   G > I have a VAXstation 3100 m38 that has been sitting on the floor of my F > room for a while, and I just got a hold of a DEC SCSI disk (a nice 1I > gig).  The VAXstation doesn't have a disk bracket or any obvious way of G > mounting the disk (nor does the disk itself).  Just wondering how the E > disk is suppose to be mounted in the case as googleing has revealed 
 > nothing.      To me, Google suggested:   : http://deathrow.vistech.net/~cvisors/DEC94MDS/331aaad1.pdf  2 which seems to be the appropriate hardware manual.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:20:41 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: Re: VAXstation 3100 m38 disk bracket , Message-ID: <42ED94F9.DBB9B90E@teksavvy.com>   "ejrivas@gmail.com" wrote: > G > I have a VAXstation 3100 m38 that has been sitting on the floor of my  > room for a while,   N How dare you leave such a valuable piece of computer history unused on a floor !!!! :-) :-) :-) :-)    I > gig).  The VAXstation doesn't have a disk bracket or any obvious way of 0 > mounting the disk (nor does the disk itself).   N The cabinet has two "floors". The basement is used for the motherboard, memoryI and options. The first floor is used to support disk and some scsi board.   M On the first floor, you will find holes strategically positioned to match the M holes on a standard SCSI 3.5" disk drive. You would normally have some rubber I grummets in the hole and this would osilate some of the vibration between  cabinet and disk.   M You will need screws though. And if the rubber grummets aren't there, you may   wish to concuct some equivalent.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:58:10 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>& Subject: Re: What exactly is PGFLQUOTA+ Message-ID: <42ED1132.875C6C31@comcast.net>   # dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com wrote:  >  > FredK wrote:3 > > <dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com> wrote in message @ > > news:1122672794.654461.98530@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...I > > >       According to the UAF Help, PGFLQUOTA is the number of pages a L > > > process is allowed to use in the Page File.   Seems eminently sensible > > > and logical, however;  > > > G > > > I have processes which constantly run out of PGFLQUOTA (and these K > > > processes are starting out with >= 1M pages.     In addition, a "show K > > > memory/files" command shows little if any pagefile use, i.e. "free" ~ 6 > > > "size", and monitoring "Page Write I/O Rate = 0) > > > I > > > so the question is where does the pgflquota for these processes go. E > > > Is there some other use for pgflquota which I don't know about.  > > >  > >  > > IIRC > > E > > Page file quote doesn't have to do with how much pagefile you are I > > "actually" using, but how much you "could" consume if the process was I > > forced to give up its memory.  So the check is being done against how D > > much pageable virtual memory you are using, versus how much pageF > > file you "might" have to consume - not on how much of the pagefile > > are currently consuming. > > H > > So if you have a 1MB page file quota, and your application grows itsJ > > pageable virtual address space beyond that, you will run out of quota. > A > Thanks To all who responded, especially Fred since this was the D > information I think I was looking for.     I understand the pointsH > everyone else was making, however most were missing the mark, probablyG > because I didn't explain properly what I was trying to find out.   My E > problem is that these processes were indicating that their pagefile I > QUOTA was down to zero, even though they were beginning with very large " > (I think) values (>= 1M pages),   E Well, be careful there: 1 "million" Alpha pagelets is less than 500MB A (488.28MB, to be exact). That's a relatively small virtual memory F allocation by today's standards, at least in Cerner-land. Ours tend toC run into the 2.5GB range (circa. 5242880) with working set sizes in C excess of 750MB (WSQUOTA/WSEXTENT = 1536000) for the most demanding ? server processes on a GS1280 with 64GB RAM. Such processes will F typically run at 70% to 80% utilization of their PGFLQUOTA while their. WSEXTENT utilization runs consistently at 100%   2048 pagelets = 1MB  2048*1024 pagelets = 1GB  G Remember also that people deal in powers of ten while the machine deals @ in powers of two, and multiples of 16 (16 pagelets = 1 8K page).  $ > and even though the system was notF > doing any hard paging to or from the page file (there was SOME "ReadF > I/O" Page faults which I take to be CODE and/or data being read intoH > WSets).   The processes have sufficiently large WS, the Free Page list > is VERY large,  A Those two statements tend to be contradictory until the machine's H workload is analyzed. If the free list is "VERY large" but processes areF exhausting their PGFLQUOTA, either your working sets are too small, orD you're running relatively few high-demand processes, or your code isF leaking memory, or the code sometimes needs more virtual space than it, can muster, or some combination of all that.  7 > and the Modified Page List is sufficiently large that C > the Modified page writer very rarely writes out to the page file.   G The modified page list size is the difference between the sum totals of A all the working sets and the sum total of all the physical memory E demands of the processes on the system at any given time. On a system F precisely tuned for its maximum workload, free pages are not abundant,D and neither are modified pages at peak load, yet MPW activity shouldC still be relatively light (mostly reads) and no processes should be F swapped out unless they are truly "expendable" (REMACP, LATACP and few others come to mind).   C > What I didn't understand was the connection between PGFLQUOTA and H > pageable virtual memory.    In my case, when a process reports that itE > has run out of PGFLQUOTA, it really has nothing to do with the Page H > file, it is just saying that it has run out of pagable virtual memory.   Correct.  H > However, from what I see here, "Pagable Virtual Memory" allocation forF > a process is based on the value of PGFLQUOTA.    So to resolve thereB > issue, I keep increasing this quota until the problem goes away.  G You'd do better from a performance perspective to increase working sets F before you go jacking up PGFLQUOTA, unless you have intimate knowledgeF of the code being executed. Of course, you can increase PGFLQUOTA muchG more than you can increase WSQUOTA/WSEXTENT (make no mistake: PGFLQOUTA D and working set size are inter-related.) If increases in working setF sizes do not abate page file usage on a per-process level, then you'llF have to allot more virtual memory by increasing PGFLQUOTAs as needed.   G We just saw that at work. On our busiest node (>1000 active processes), G free list size is low, modified list size is not much bigger and paging H is still relatively light and mostly reads. At peak load (know what PCLAG is?), CPU utilization is near 100%, mostly in USER and EXECUTIVE modes. D Interrupt service time tracks with I/O activity and SMP overhead and> kernel time are within expectations. Response times are within/ tolerance. We do not see processes swapped out.   H > Question:   Are there any limiting considerations to how high I can go > with this quota??   F No "hard rules" that I am aware of, other than that you need to have a< realistic relationship between page file USAGE and page fileH availability. That just comes with familiarity with your system's needs.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2005 13:42:53 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>& Subject: Re: What exactly is PGFLQUOTAC Message-ID: <1122842573.466836.179300@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   # dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com wrote:  > FredK wrote:3 > > <dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com> wrote in message @ > > news:1122672794.654461.98530@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...I > > >       According to the UAF Help, PGFLQUOTA is the number of pages a L > > > process is allowed to use in the Page File.   Seems eminently sensible > > > and logical, however;  > > > G > > > I have processes which constantly run out of PGFLQUOTA (and these K > > > processes are starting out with >= 1M pages.     In addition, a "show K > > > memory/files" command shows little if any pagefile use, i.e. "free" ~ 6 > > > "size", and monitoring "Page Write I/O Rate = 0) > > > I > > > so the question is where does the pgflquota for these processes go. E > > > Is there some other use for pgflquota which I don't know about.  > > >  > >  > > IIRC > > E > > Page file quote doesn't have to do with how much pagefile you are I > > "actually" using, but how much you "could" consume if the process was I > > forced to give up its memory.  So the check is being done against how D > > much pageable virtual memory you are using, versus how much pageF > > file you "might" have to consume - not on how much of the pagefile > > are currently consuming. > > H > > So if you have a 1MB page file quota, and your application grows itsJ > > pageable virtual address space beyond that, you will run out of quota. >  [...]  > C > What I didn't understand was the connection between PGFLQUOTA and H > pageable virtual memory.    In my case, when a process reports that itE > has run out of PGFLQUOTA, it really has nothing to do with the Page H > file, it is just saying that it has run out of pagable virtual memory. >  > H > However, from what I see here, "Pagable Virtual Memory" allocation forF > a process is based on the value of PGFLQUOTA.    So to resolve thereB > issue, I keep increasing this quota until the problem goes away. > H > Question:   Are there any limiting considerations to how high I can go > with this quota??     A I believe you are limited by the system parameter VIRTUALPAGECNT.    JMHO   >  > thanks Dave.   YW   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2005 19:50:20 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>& Subject: Re: What exactly is PGFLQUOTAC Message-ID: <1122864620.478856.163610@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Alex Daniels wrote: 1 > "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message ? > news:1122842573.466836.179300@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...  > <SNIP>E > > I believe you are limited by the system parameter VIRTUALPAGECNT.  > >  > > JMHO > 3 > VIRTUALPAGECNT  was ditched on Alpha at VMS V7.0.  > I > Parameter Name            Current    Default    Minimum    Maximum Unit 	 > Dynamic R > --------------            -------    -------    -------    ------- ----  -------M > VIRTUALPAGECNT         2147483647 2147483647       2048 2147483647 Obsolete  >  > Alex    F Well, the OP didn't say what he was running. I'm running VMS v6.2 VAX.  E Anyway, I don't think you can set PGFLQUOT higher than 2147483647, so " in that way, I am still right! ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:27:31 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com K Subject: Re: What is DKA100:XQPCACHE, Extent cache, etc., from SH DEV D/FU? - Message-ID: <873bpveya4.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   l > In article <1122650313.492972.273970@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  J >> There is something below with cache name _xxxxx$DKA100:XQPCACHE. Why is >> the system disk name there?    < >    You can have more than one disk cache.  (See help mountC >    /processor).  By default one is created at the first mount and E >    named after that disk.  The system disk is automatically mounted E >    before any other disk could be.  You can create other caches and C >    you can specificy which cache you want other disks mounted to.   F >> What is this cache? Where is it? Why is it so large? (There appears, >> to be no room at all for this in memory.)  @ >    This is the disk I/O write-through cache.  It is in memory.  E When a file is being truncated, and the first thing that happens when B a file is deleted is it is truncated to 0 blocks, the extents thatE make up the file go not into the volumes free space, but if < the Max B blocks, into a local free space list for the node. These are stillE marked as in use in the bit map so no other node will try to allocate E them but the local node can with out having to sync up the free space  data across all the cluster.  F Failing to be able to find enough free blockes for a file extention inE the cache plus free blocks in BITMAP.SYS is real bad news performance B wise. The XQP has to release all its free blocks to the bitmap andF kick all the other node to do the same. That can add up to LOTS of IOsC and keeps slowing alocations until the node get their extent caches @ back up and usefull. Good reason to keep drive < 80% or so full.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:19:05 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com K Subject: Re: What is DKA100:XQPCACHE, Extent cache, etc., from SH DEV D/FU? - Message-ID: <877jf7eyo6.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   & "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  I > There is something below with cache name _xxxxx$DKA100:XQPCACHE. Why is H > the system disk name there? All disks on a given system are named thisC > way. I guess there is only one "XQP cache" for each system. (What 4 > happens to this with disks shared in VMSclusters?)  H > What is this cache? Where is it? Why is it so large? (There appears toF > be no room at all for this in memory.) Why is the "maximum number ofG > blocks in cache (96734) larger than its own size (64)? Where is it in 0 > the docs (I did look and I could not find it).  D > And any other words that would clear up what all these caches are.  G > Note: I'm not trying to address any problem. I just want to know what 
 > this is.  Q > Disk xxxxx$DKA200:, device type RZ28, is online, mounted, file-oriented device, * >     shareable, error logging is enabled. > I >     Error count                    0    Operations completed    5204186 J >     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC               [SYSTEM]U >     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot                S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W E >     Reference count                3    Default buffer size     512 D >     Total blocks             4110480    Sectors per track       86D >     Total cylinders             2988    Tracks per cylinder     16 > C >     Volume label             "DATA1"    Relative volume number  0 C >     Cluster size                   4    Transaction count       3 H >     Free blocks               967340    Maximum files allowed>  411048C >     Extend quantity                5    Mount count             1 Z >     Mount status              System    Cache name              "_xxxxx$DKA100:XQPCACHE"P >     Extent cache size             64    Maximum blocks in extent cache   96734  W The extent cache has 64 entries, but is limited to only have a max of ^^^ blocks in it. 2 Any over that amount are freed  out in the BITMAP.  Q >     File ID cache size            64    Blocks currently in extent cache  53024   C The extent cache could have a single entry of 53024. Note, thay are F not stored in the cache, they are free blocks, the extent data is heldE so it can be used to extend files on the current node with out having $ to sync all the XQPs in the cluster.  N >     Quota cache size               0    Maximum buffers in FCP cache     980] >     Volume owner UIC        [SYSTEM]    Vol Prot                S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCD  > N >   Volume status:  subject to mount verification, write-back caching enabled.  C Docs? You want DOCS...  Slight hints in the sysgen parameter stuff, C more in the IDS book, but mostly in the code. LOTS of code and some  very subtle hints.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:28:40 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> F Subject: Re: [OT] Rounding v Truncation, was: Re: Platform Support vs.2 Message-ID: <42ed439a_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net>  
 Lurker wrote: 6 > "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message, > news:11ed7fglvqco402@corp.supernews.com... > D >> Say you're $160 late on an installment contract, and your monthlyG >> payment is $100.  Calculate 160/100 and get 2 months late, and there > >> will be some screaming going on.  Not a place for rounding. > ; > Hold on a second. If you are late on that $160 you owe it * > right now - no rounding involved at all. > 8 > However, if you want to take out a loan for those $1604 > with a monthly payment of $100, how many months do- > you think you will get to repay it? 1 or 2?     L Two kneecaps if you're late with your monthly payment - your example paymentG is in violation of most usury laws hence your loan was probably made by  Three Fingers Vinnie & Co.     --2 OpenVMS - When was the last time HP advertised it?      O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:07:54 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> F Subject: Re: [OT] Rounding v Truncation, was: Re: Platform Support vs.0 Message-ID: <11eqt968b68rs53@corp.supernews.com>  
 Lurker wrote: 6 > "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message, > news:11ed7fglvqco402@corp.supernews.com... >  > C >>Say you're $160 late on an installment contract, and your monthly F >>payment is $100.  Calculate 160/100 and get 2 months late, and there= >>will be some screaming going on.  Not a place for rounding.  >  > ; > Hold on a second. If you are late on that $160 you owe it * > right now - no rounding involved at all.  H Ok, in the real world, if a collector calls a customer about a past due A balance, it's important to keep to the topic.  Give the customer  B something to complain about and like it or not, the topic changes.  H So, unless an account is fully 2 months past due, you don't make such a H claim.  The goal is to get a payment going, not to argue semantics.  Or 	 rounding.   8 > However, if you want to take out a loan for those $1604 > with a monthly payment of $100, how many months do- > you think you will get to repay it? 1 or 2?   / Invalid question.  Such a loan will not happen.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.425 ************************