1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 06 Aug 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 436       Contents:) Re: Announcement:  New PL/I kit for Alpha 0 Re: Best backup software to use with tape robots0 Re: Best backup software to use with tape robots3 Re: Data File Search Order in Some VMS Applications  Re: EFI is out to lunch  Re: EFI is out to lunch  Re: EFI is out to lunch  Re: EFI is out to lunch  Re: EFI is out to lunch ; Re: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity ; RE: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity ; Re: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity ; RE: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity ; Re: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity / Re: Intel hammer another nail in Itanium coffin / Re: Intel hammer another nail in Itanium coffin B OpenVMS under the umbrella - or umbrella is supported at the time?F Re: OpenVMS under the umbrella - or umbrella is supported at the time?F Re: OpenVMS under the umbrella - or umbrella is supported at the time?P Re: OpenVMS under the umbrella - or umbrella is supported at the time? time?timeP Re: OpenVMS under the umbrella - or umbrella is supported at the time? time?time+ Re: strange terminal-characteristic problem + Re: strange terminal-characteristic problem 0 Re: VMS Technical Journal Call for Participation8 Re: Why is disk I/O operation rate .GT. direct I/O rate?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:08:21 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) 2 Subject: Re: Announcement:  New PL/I kit for AlphaL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0608050808230001@user-uinj4j1.dialup.mindspring.com>  M In article <opsu1ssnd6zgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:   : >A new kit is now available for download from our website,8 >which includes a complete rebuild of the GEM interface. > = >This fixes a cute bug.  When compiling with /SHOW=STATISTICS E >the compile speed is computed in lines per minute.  Time is measured E >in in units of a hundredth of a millisecond,  which turned out to be L >zero for a small program on an ES47.  When this code was originally writtenJ >in 1978 for the VAX I guess it was never thought that computers would get >that fast!   I A few of these have shown up in VMS over the years.  ES45 and Marvel both D uncovered a few that I know of.  Kind of embarrasing, isn't it?  :-)  E I remember seeing similar zero-elapsed-time compiles with the Fortran F compiler on our fastest CDC Cyber in the early 1980's. But zero wasn'tI interpreted as an absolute time on the Cyber, so it just showed 00:00:00.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Aug 2005 07:25:07 -0700 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> 9 Subject: Re: Best backup software to use with tape robots C Message-ID: <1123338307.343116.258340@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Jeff Cameron wrote: I > On 8/5/05 10:58 AM, in article 42f3465a$1@mvb.saic.com, "Mark Berryman"   > <mark@theberrymans.com> wrote: > J > > I have just acquired a tape robot to do backups with (an ADIC FaststorJ > > 22) and there seems to be a number of products on the CONDIST meant toK > > use such things.  Would anyone be willing to share their opinions as to J > > which software is best for managing backups to a tape robot?  or whichH > > of the packages on the CONDIST is still being actively supported and > > developed? > > I > > Ideally, I'd like a package that supports one host with access to the I > > tape device but allows other hosts to make use of it via the network. G > > ABS and SLS appear to have had this but it isn't supported in V8.2.  > >  > > Mark Berryman  > 	 > Go to :  > 3 > http://support.mti.com/MTICare/OpenVMS/licreq.htm  > A > And request a 60 day Evaluation License for RLM and TapeControl  > G > Try them out. They come with 60 day telephone support to help you get 
 > started. >  > Jeff  - I don't suppose they have a Hobbyist License?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 15:42:19 +01006 From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk>9 Subject: Re: Best backup software to use with tape robots 6 Message-ID: <42f4cc4e$0$21365$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  6 "Jeff Cameron" <roktsci@comcast.net> wrote in message * news:BF19953A.11E19%roktsci@comcast.net...I > On 8/5/05 10:58 AM, in article 42f3465a$1@mvb.saic.com, "Mark Berryman"   > <mark@theberrymans.com> wrote: >  <SNIP>F >> ABS and SLS appear to have had this but it isn't supported in V8.2. >> >> Mark Berryman > 	 > Go to :  > 3 > http://support.mti.com/MTICare/OpenVMS/licreq.htm  > A > And request a 60 day Evaluation License for RLM and TapeControl  > G > Try them out. They come with 60 day telephone support to help you get 
 > started. >  > Jeff  7 The OP specified he needed VMS V8.2 support, however...   3 http://support.mti.com/MTICare/OpenVMS/FAQs/c-2.htm   L "MTI's NetBackup has been tested from versions 5.2 through 7.3-2 of OpenVMS.? We have not yet decided when to begin testing for OpenVMS 8.2."    Alex   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:35:19 -0000  From: John <ozman@ozbus.net.au> < Subject: Re: Data File Search Order in Some VMS Applications9 Message-ID: <Xns96AB61ABD66Dozmanozbusnetau@216.168.3.30>   0 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in% news:42F40D21.71A19D7E@teksavvy.com:    
 > John wrote: B >> I've been through the RMS side of things, where it fills-in theE >> missing portions of a file specification (that's where things like D >> F$PARSE get their operation from) but that's not what I'm looking >> for.  >  > Actually it it.   3 [...good explanation/examples of RMS defaulting...]   I Ok... I'll have a squiz when I get back to work next week and see how it   goes.    Thanks a heap for your help.     John   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 11:44:30 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)   Subject: Re: EFI is out to lunchL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0608050744300001@user-uinj4j1.dialup.mindspring.com>  5 In article <42F4024D.40CFF38E@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    >re: EFO menu gone nuts. > M >Have you tried to remove any battery inside the computer, let the IA64 thing M >truly forget everything and then power things back up so that it would start & >fresh without any stored parameters ?  J I've NEVER seen this recommended, and if it does actually succeed in clearE ALL the nvram, it would almost certainly mean a service call, maybe a J motherboard swap.  There are a bunch of unique tokens programmed in duringB manufacturing, and if they aren't right the firmware will object. J Programming them requires access to manufacturing mode, which is protectedD via a one-time password mechanism that isn't available to customers.  F Please DON'T take the battery out unless a qualified HP service person recommends it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:03:03 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)   Subject: Re: EFI is out to lunchL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0608050803030001@user-uinj4j1.dialup.mindspring.com>  H In article <acRIe.9956$7L6.4459@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam wrote:  : >In article <00A47D4E.709018DB@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  > " >..the Shell. prompt is looping... >:0 >:Anyone ever see this?  What do I do to fix it? > A >  I've not seen this.  My first assumption would be garbage on a @ >  console serial line somewhere, the second would be a firmwareA >  error (something has destabilized the firmware), and the third C >  would be the traditional catch-all check for a hardware problem.  > @ >  The consoles on I64 can have more than one connection, and it@ >  can be a bit surprising when you first see another session on/ >  another line acquire and access the console.  > A >  I'd first run a hard reset on whatever box this is, which does C >  appear to have been done based on a later posting in the thread. > >  I'd check the other serial lines for problems -- if you are? >  using serial connection, I'll assume you're connected to the A >  MP console DB25 connection (H8571-E to get to DECconnect).  If B >  using the MP NIC to connect, I'd try a hard reset on the serverB >  and on the local switch, and -- for testing -- would set all to >  10 megabits half-duplex.  > A >  I'd then look to a firmware load, and to hardware diagnostics.  >  >  A couple of questions: ' >    Which particular Integrity model?  ? >    What is the firmware revision (shown during the power-up)?  >     H I haven't seen or heard of this particular behavior either, and I likelyI would hear about it if any of our 200-odd Integrity systems started to do  this.   I As Steve points out there are multiple ways to connect into the console.  @ The MP provides a serial port, a web port, and up to 15 (or 16?)H simultaneous telnet connections.  You also have the separate serial portI for the BMC console.  And a USB keyboard plus a VGA screen can be used as D a console with that BSOD operating system.  But most of these can be9 ignored if you don't have a network connection to the MP.   H Since you are using the "console" connection on the DB25 MP port, the MPH could be causing the problem if it is catatonic.  (And make sure you areI using the "console" connection, not the "remote" or "modem" connections.)    Two other things to try:  G 1. Move your serial cable to the BMC's console connection.  This is the I DB9 port, likely labeled "console", that's NOT in the row with all the MP G ports.  On this port, ESC-( and ESC-Q switch between BMC and the system  console.  G 2. Reset the MP to factory defaults.  There's a recessed push-button on D the MP card, barely visible from the back of the system.  If you areI holding this button down when you apply power to the box, you'll get some I kind of prompt and you can tell the MP to reset itself.  That might clear < up the problem, if it is indeed something weird with the MP.  J And we do recommend upgrading to the latest firmware.  The recommended wayE is to download ISO images from the HP web site, burn CDs, and run the C upgrade tool(s) from CD.  Last I checked, there's no unified kit to J upgrade all the FW components on an rx2600; you'll need 2 or more separate% kits depending on how old your FW is.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:07:44 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: EFI is out to lunch0 Message-ID: <00A47DE6.6387247F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <42F4024D.40CFF38E@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >re: EFO menu gone nuts. > M >Have you tried to remove any battery inside the computer, let the IA64 thing M >truly forget everything and then power things back up so that it would start & >fresh without any stored parameters ? > 0 >(or is there a EFI command to zap nvram to 0 ?)  8 ALl I could find was a command to reset all of the logs.   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:27:24 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: EFI is out to lunch0 Message-ID: <00A47DE9.2293472A@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <rdeininger-0608050803030001@user-uinj4j1.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes: {...snip...}I >Since you are using the "console" connection on the DB25 MP port, the MP I >could be causing the problem if it is catatonic.  (And make sure you are J >using the "console" connection, not the "remote" or "modem" connections.)  I I am indeed using the MP port.  The one denoted "console" on the 3xDB9 to J DB 25 connector.  This is how I was told it had to be at the bootcamp lastJ year and the developer forum in Mahwah last Dec.  I've been using the suc-H cessfully for months.  I only wanted to take the box down (de-cluster itI so to speak) and Shell> boot -fl 0,1 to SYSBOOT> SET VAXCLUSTER 0 to test  some software standalone.       H >1. Move your serial cable to the BMC's console connection.  This is theJ >DB9 port, likely labeled "console", that's NOT in the row with all the MPH >ports.  On this port, ESC-( and ESC-Q switch between BMC and the system	 >console.   I I can give that a go... but this bypasses the MP.  Is the boot process on I the BMC the same?  (It has been over a year since I played with this back  at the bootcamp.)       H >2. Reset the MP to factory defaults.  There's a recessed push-button onE >the MP card, barely visible from the back of the system.  If you are J >holding this button down when you apply power to the box, you'll get someJ >kind of prompt and you can tell the MP to reset itself.  That might clear= >up the problem, if it is indeed something weird with the MP.   J I tied that.  I held it in and then put the plug back into the system.  It> appears to work the same way I reset my Apple Airport Express.      K >And we do recommend upgrading to the latest firmware.  The recommended way F >is to download ISO images from the HP web site, burn CDs, and run theD >upgrade tool(s) from CD.  Last I checked, there's no unified kit toK >upgrade all the FW components on an rx2600; you'll need 2 or more separate & >kits depending on how old your FW is.  ; ***********************************************************  * ROM Version : 02.21  * ROM Date    : 08/20/2003 * BMC Version :  01.50; ***********************************************************   I Catch-22!  How do I run the "upgrade tool(s) from CD"?  I assume this has G to be booted like I've boot VMS.  If so, I'm SOL as I can't get the EFI H Shell> prompt to give me control.  If there's some other way, please let me know.      --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:55:33 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)   Subject: Re: EFI is out to lunchL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0608051055300001@user-uinj42u.dialup.mindspring.com>  9 In article <00A47DE9.2293472A@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-   @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:    I >>1. Move your serial cable to the BMC's console connection.  This is the K >>DB9 port, likely labeled "console", that's NOT in the row with all the MP I >>ports.  On this port, ESC-( and ESC-Q switch between BMC and the system 
 >>console. > J >I can give that a go... but this bypasses the MP.  Is the boot process onJ >the BMC the same?  (It has been over a year since I played with this back >at the bootcamp.)  G You get to the EFI shell, and everything from that point is the same as  with the MP in "CO" mode.     L >>And we do recommend upgrading to the latest firmware.  The recommended wayG >>is to download ISO images from the HP web site, burn CDs, and run the E >>upgrade tool(s) from CD.  Last I checked, there's no unified kit to L >>upgrade all the FW components on an rx2600; you'll need 2 or more separate' >>kits depending on how old your FW is.  > < >*********************************************************** >* ROM Version : 02.21 >* ROM Date    : 08/20/2003  >* BMC Version :  01.50 < >***********************************************************  C That shows the BMC firmware version, which is only 1 of the 3 major I components of firmware in the system.  You'll get better information from G the "sysrev" command in the MP's command mode, or from "info fw" at the : EFI prompt.  (Once you can get to either of those places.) > J >Catch-22!  How do I run the "upgrade tool(s) from CD"?  I assume this hasH >to be booted like I've boot VMS.  If so, I'm SOL as I can't get the EFII >Shell> prompt to give me control.  If there's some other way, please let 	 >me know.   H You need the EFI shell to upgrade firmware.  If you can't get there, andC you can't get the box to calm down, then it probably needs service.   D Upgrading the FW isn't a suggestion to fix your current problem.  ItI _might_ fix some obscure bug that got your system into its current state, & and prevent it from happening again.    E There are instructions and release notes for the firmware upgrade.  I J never use the CD method, so I won't attempt to give detailed instructions.   www.hp.com/go/bizsupport#   --> download drivers and software      --> Itanium-based servers 2      -->  HP Integrity rx2600 Entry-Class Servers : which gets me to this horrid, and probably transient, URL:   http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/DriverDownload.jsp?pnameOID=88839&locale=en_US&taskId=135&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=447335    You want the link:B     --> Cross operating system (BIOS, Firmware, Diagnostics, etc.)  ? You want "Management Processor Card Firmware" (version E.03.15) E and "HP System and BMC Firmware Update" (the bundle version is 2.31A, G which contains system firmware 2.31, BMC firmware 1.53, and MP firmware 	 E.03.13.) J The release notes are out of date, they should mention VMS V8.2 and V8.2-1 but they don't.   E I suppose there might be a worse way to set up web pages, but I can't  think of it at the moment.  A Firmware upgrades are a PITA on Integity servers, compared to the F streamlined process we are used to on Alpha.  They are working on some- improvements, but they have a long way to go.      -- Robert    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 04:06:01 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>D Subject: Re: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity= Message-ID: <qOydne05hLv08mnfRVn-3w@metrocastcablevision.com>   " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Skonetski, Susan' > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:23 PM & > To: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORGB > Subject: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity > Servers - External Use >  >  > Dear Distribution lists, > H > Depending on when you read this email it's a great way to end or start* > the week, not to mention its great news. > 3 > HP BCS has exceed our goal of Applications on VMS   . Perhaps you meant 'Applications on Integrity'?     and that includes , > applications on VMS, please take a look at > 4 > http://www.itjungle.com/tug/tug080405-story05.html  E Indeed.  Of course, that 5,000+ application total appears to include  D those on Unix and Windows Integrity platforms, so it's not all that H relevant here (and one could even wonder whether it includes 32-bit x86 G applications that have merely been verified to run - or perhaps 'walk'  0 would be a better characterization - on Itanic).  G It might be interesting to know how many applications have been ported  # to VMS Integrity platforms, though.    - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:25:10 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> D Subject: RE: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on IntegrityR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6B1C08@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]=20 > Sent: August 6, 2005 4:06 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com F > Subject: Re: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity >=20$ > susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Skonetski, Susan) > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:23 PM ( > > To: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORGD > > Subject: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity > > Servers - External Use > >=20 > >=20 > > Dear Distribution lists, > >=20@ > > Depending on when you read this email it's a great way to=20 > end or start, > > the week, not to mention its great news. > >=205 > > HP BCS has exceed our goal of Applications on VMS  >=200 > Perhaps you meant 'Applications on Integrity'? >=20 >   and that includes . > > applications on VMS, please take a look at > >=206 > > http://www.itjungle.com/tug/tug080405-story05.html >=20I > Indeed.  Of course, that 5,000+ application total appears to include=20 H > those on Unix and Windows Integrity platforms, so it's not all that=20A > relevant here (and one could even wonder whether it includes=20  > 32-bit x86=20 < > applications that have merely been verified to run - or=20 > perhaps 'walk'=20 2 > would be a better characterization - on Itanic). >=20? > It might be interesting to know how many applications have=20  > been ported=20% > to VMS Integrity platforms, though.  >=20 > - bill >=20  D Given that OpenVMS on Integrity has only "officially" been availableE since January timeframe, I would say that the number of OpenVMS ports H (planned and available) has been going very well. Keep in mind that someH ISV's and Cust's prefer to start with official code - not beta releases.   Check out the following:=20 < http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/matrix/i64partner_A.html/ (click on each letter for different vendor's..)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:20:56 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>D Subject: Re: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on IntegrityR Message-ID: <y4ydnZ2dnZ3e1gvhnZ2dnaUkad-dnZ2dRVn-yJ2dnZ0@metrocastcablevision.com>   Main, Kerry wrote: >>-----Original Message-----2 >>From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]  >>Sent: August 6, 2005 4:06 AM >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com F >>Subject: Re: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity >>$ >>susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: >> >>>-----Original Message-----  >>>From: Skonetski, Susan ( >>>Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:23 PM' >>>To: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG C >>>Subject: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity  >>>Servers - External Use  >>>  >>>  >>>Dear Distribution lists,  >>> = >>>Depending on when you read this email it's a great way to   >> >>end or start >>+ >>>the week, not to mention its great news.  >>> 4 >>>HP BCS has exceed our goal of Applications on VMS >>0 >>Perhaps you meant 'Applications on Integrity'? >> >>  and that includes  >>- >>>applications on VMS, please take a look at  >>> 5 >>>http://www.itjungle.com/tug/tug080405-story05.html  >>G >>Indeed.  Of course, that 5,000+ application total appears to include  F >>those on Unix and Windows Integrity platforms, so it's not all that ? >>relevant here (and one could even wonder whether it includes  
 >>32-bit x86  : >>applications that have merely been verified to run - or  >>perhaps 'walk'  2 >>would be a better characterization - on Itanic). >>= >>It might be interesting to know how many applications have   >>been ported % >>to VMS Integrity platforms, though.  >> >>- bill >> >  > F > Given that OpenVMS on Integrity has only "officially" been available > since January timeframe,  H Actually, it has been officially available for the purposes of *porting B applications* for considerably longer than that - or were the two H earlier limited releases explicitly aimed at least in part at precisely @ that function a complete figment of our collective imaginations?  .   I would say that the number of OpenVMS ports3 > (planned and available) has been going very well.   H Well, thanks for sharing, but of course your personal perception of (or E corporate spin about, which it may have been) 'how well' application  E migration to VMS-on-Itanic has been going really doesn't address the  I question at all.  But an actual number (after all, Marcello was happy to  I release one in the aggregate, so it can't be all that confidential) from  : which people could draw their own conclusions would do so.   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:38:46 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> D Subject: RE: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on IntegrityR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6B1C09@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]=20 > Sent: August 6, 2005 9:21 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com F > Subject: Re: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity >=20 > Main, Kerry wrote: > >>-----Original Message-----6 > >>From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]=20  > >>Sent: August 6, 2005 4:06 AM > >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com H > >>Subject: Re: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity > >>& > >>susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: > >> > >>>-----Original Message-----  > >>>From: Skonetski, Susan * > >>>Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:23 PM) > >>>To: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG E > >>>Subject: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity  > >>>Servers - External Use  > >>>  > >>>  > >>>Dear Distribution lists,  > >>> A > >>>Depending on when you read this email it's a great way to=20  > >> > >>end or start > >>- > >>>the week, not to mention its great news.  > >>> 6 > >>>HP BCS has exceed our goal of Applications on VMS > >>2 > >>Perhaps you meant 'Applications on Integrity'? > >> > >>  and that includes  > >>/ > >>>applications on VMS, please take a look at  > >>> 7 > >>>http://www.itjungle.com/tug/tug080405-story05.html  > >>@ > >>Indeed.  Of course, that 5,000+ application total appears=20 > to include=20 J > >>those on Unix and Windows Integrity platforms, so it's not all that=20C > >>relevant here (and one could even wonder whether it includes=20  > >>32-bit x86=20 > > >>applications that have merely been verified to run - or=20 > >>perhaps 'walk'=20 4 > >>would be a better characterization - on Itanic). > >>A > >>It might be interesting to know how many applications have=20  > >>been ported=20' > >>to VMS Integrity platforms, though.  > >>
 > >>- bill > >> > >=20 > >=20H > > Given that OpenVMS on Integrity has only "officially" been available > > since January timeframe, >=20@ > Actually, it has been officially available for the purposes=20 > of *porting=20F > applications* for considerably longer than that - or were the two=20B > earlier limited releases explicitly aimed at least in part at=20 > precisely=20B > that function a complete figment of our collective imaginations? >=200 >   I would say that the number of OpenVMS ports5 > > (planned and available) has been going very well.  >=20: > Well, thanks for sharing, but of course your personal=20 > perception of (or=20I > corporate spin about, which it may have been) 'how well' application=20 I > migration to VMS-on-Itanic has been going really doesn't address the=20 @ > question at all.  But an actual number (after all, Marcello=20 > was happy to=20 : > release one in the aggregate, so it can't be all that=20 > confidential) from=20 < > which people could draw their own conclusions would do so. >=20 > - bill >=20  D That's why I provided the url with the list of all the OpenVMS app's& available and planned on Integrity.=20  7 Feel free to count them if you want an absolute number.    Check out the following:=20 < http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/matrix/i64partner_A.html/ (click on each letter for different vendor's..)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:21:06 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>D Subject: Re: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity= Message-ID: <3oydnQlScYAfbGnfRVn-rQ@metrocastcablevision.com>    Main, Kerry wrote: >>-----Original Message-----2 >>From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]  >>Sent: August 6, 2005 9:21 AM >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com F >>Subject: Re: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity >> >>Main, Kerry wrote: >> >>>>-----Original Message-----4 >>>>From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]   >>>>Sent: August 6, 2005 4:06 AM >>>>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com H >>>>Subject: Re: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity >>>>& >>>>susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message-----  >>>>>From: Skonetski, Susan * >>>>>Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:23 PM) >>>>>To: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG E >>>>>Subject: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity  >>>>>Servers - External Use  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>Dear Distribution lists,  >>>>> ? >>>>>Depending on when you read this email it's a great way to   >>>> >>>>end or start >>>> >>>>- >>>>>the week, not to mention its great news.  >>>>> 6 >>>>>HP BCS has exceed our goal of Applications on VMS >>>>2 >>>>Perhaps you meant 'Applications on Integrity'? >>>> >>>> and that includes >>>> >>>>/ >>>>>applications on VMS, please take a look at  >>>>> 7 >>>>>http://www.itjungle.com/tug/tug080405-story05.html  >>>>> >>>>Indeed.  Of course, that 5,000+ application total appears  >>
 >>to include   >>H >>>>those on Unix and Windows Integrity platforms, so it's not all that A >>>>relevant here (and one could even wonder whether it includes   >>>>32-bit x86  < >>>>applications that have merely been verified to run - or  >>>>perhaps 'walk'  4 >>>>would be a better characterization - on Itanic). >>>>? >>>>It might be interesting to know how many applications have   >>>>been ported ' >>>>to VMS Integrity platforms, though.  >>>>
 >>>>- bill >>>> >>>  >>> G >>>Given that OpenVMS on Integrity has only "officially" been available  >>>since January timeframe,  >>> >>Actually, it has been officially available for the purposes  >>of *porting D >>applications* for considerably longer than that - or were the two @ >>earlier limited releases explicitly aimed at least in part at  >>precisely B >>that function a complete figment of our collective imaginations? >>0 >>  I would say that the number of OpenVMS ports >>4 >>>(planned and available) has been going very well. >>8 >>Well, thanks for sharing, but of course your personal  >>perception of (or G >>corporate spin about, which it may have been) 'how well' application  G >>migration to VMS-on-Itanic has been going really doesn't address the  > >>question at all.  But an actual number (after all, Marcello  >>was happy to  8 >>release one in the aggregate, so it can't be all that  >>confidential) from  < >>which people could draw their own conclusions would do so. >> >>- bill >> >  > F > That's why I provided the url with the list of all the OpenVMS app's& > available and planned on Integrity.  > 9 > Feel free to count them if you want an absolute number.   G I'm afraid that I've got a lot better uses for my time than to do HP's  I PR work for them.  But a quick check of a few of the pages there reveals  F an awful lot of 'planned' support without even projected availability D dates, quite a bit more 'planned' with projected availability dates I (which at least suggests that migration is being actively considered and  F perhaps even being implemented, though not yet shipping and hence not I part of Marcello's 5000+ total), and not all that many 'availables' (the  D number I was suggesting might be interesting, in view of Marcello's ) higher-level commentary on that subject).    - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:29:11 +02003 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> 8 Subject: Re: Intel hammer another nail in Itanium coffin= Message-ID: <42f458b7$0$78283$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>   5 "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message  * news:11f7k62avg3b644@corp.supernews.com... > Dr. Dweeb wrote:8 >> "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message - >> news:11f70ccqdedvp59@corp.supernews.com...  >> >>>Alan Greig wrote: >>>  >>>> >>>>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>>> >>>>- >>>>>In article <42F29DC3.6D9D94F8@mist.com>, - >>>>>    GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> writes:  >>>>>  >>>>> A >>>>>>I don't know what would be standing in the way of M$ buying ( >>>>>>the complete OpenVMS line from HP, >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>> I >>>>>How about the idea that they have no interest in it at all as it has L >>>>>much less marketability than their current OS.  The only other possibleK >>>>>reason for MS buying VMS would be to kill it. But then they would have F >>>>>to see it as offering some kind of competition, which it doesn't. >>>> >>>>K >>>>Other than to "sunset" the product the only major company that I think  K >>>>it might just make sense for to buy VMS at this point in time would be  D >>>>Intel. If Intel bought VMS and announced an X86-64 port and the L >>>>intention to take it back into the mainstream then the cat would really K >>>>be among the pigeons. Unlikely but not totally impossible I would have  * >>>>thought given Intel's reliance on VMS. >>> M >>>Not sure if I have any valid reason to feel this way, but I just wouldn't  K >>>trust Intel.  Not sure what part they played in killing Alpha, but they   >>>sure had motive.  >>>  >> >>I >> HP has entrusted Intel its future - at least from a computer producer  
 >> viewpoint. : >> Someone there thinks that Intel is to be trusted - lol. > L > I've got to disagree.  Yes, for VMS, and a few other things.  But generic K > Unix is ported to x86 (Opteron) rather easily.  For the majority of what  J > HP thinks they want to sell, AMD is a valid second (and better) source. M > (Better from a performance perspective.  Intel kickbacks and discounts are   > another matter.) > L > Not saying there wouldn't be pain and issues, but they could live without < > Intel.  Some specific products would get most of the pain. >   L Well, Tandem & VMS are obvious Itanium only lines.  While it is technically K feasible to replace Intel P4xx CPUs with withAMD ones, I doubt whether ant  K PC supplier could survive on AMD only.  Intel is a "requirement".  You see  J it specified in RFPs - not x86 architecture - but Intel X86. And so on ...  7 So I think they are close to totaly dependent on Intel.    Dweeb    >> Dr. Dweeb >> >>K >>>If they had VMS, possibly the largest effort they would make is to find  L >>>some way to insure that it didn't run on Opteron, if they did port it to  >>>64 bit x86. >>>  >>>  >>>-- 7 >>>David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450 7 >>>Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596 A >>>DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com  >>>170 Grimplin Road >>>Vanderbilt, PA  15486 >> >> >> >  >  > --  6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 03:56:04 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>8 Subject: Re: Intel hammer another nail in Itanium coffin= Message-ID: <KaKdnQ3Yt9GJ8GnfRVn-jQ@metrocastcablevision.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:j > In article <gZednaOyo46p5GzfRVn-uA@metrocastcablevision.com>, Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: > K >>Unless VMS sales pick up by an order of magnitude or more such that they  J >>can support Itanic on their own, its failure to compete elsewhere (such J >>as Unix and Windows, where better alternatives *do* exist) will doom it F >>to extinction - regardless of whether VMS people find it acceptable. >  > ( >    No, it depends on your application.   No?  To what, specifically?   H Do you think that VMS sales alone can support Itanic without increasing  by an order of magnitude?   D Do you think that Itanic is already competing just fine in Unix and D Windows against alternatives like x86-64 and (especially in large - B non-Windows, though that is something of a tautology - commercial 5 applications) POWER5 such that it can sustain itself?   I Those are the two points I made in the paragraph to which you seem to be   responding.    - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Aug 2005 01:09:47 -0700 + From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <zator@yandex.ru> K Subject: OpenVMS under the umbrella - or umbrella is supported at the time? B Message-ID: <1123315786.965797.46770@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Hi All!     F  Some time back I have received from HP a umbrella with an inscriptionG "OpenVMS"... Very nice!!!! But a umbrella not such reliable as OpenVMS.  :(  )  When to wait for updating/uprgading? :-)      -- Cheers, Ruslan. D +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+B  RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.starlet.spb.ru/radiusvms/  A  StarLet POP3 Server for OpenVMS with black/withe lists project - /  http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/work/pop3/   +  ICQ: 319-518-233 Mobile: +7 (901) 316-3222    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:11:54 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGO Subject: Re: OpenVMS under the umbrella - or umbrella is supported at the time? 0 Message-ID: <00A47DEF.5A713D37@SendSpamHere.ORG>  e In article <FO1Je.10541$ia4.67@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  >  >  >Ruslan R. Laishev wrote: 
 >> Hi All! >>   >>  I >>  Some time back I have received from HP a umbrella with an inscription J >> "OpenVMS"... Very nice!!!! But a umbrella not such reliable as OpenVMS. >> :(  >>  , >>  When to wait for updating/uprgading? :-) > I >My umbrella still functions perfectly. However my balls don't flash any  + >more when I bounce them. New balls please!   G Alan, were I am, flashing your balls is indecent exposure regardless of # whether or not you bounce them.  :)      --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 6 Aug 2005 09:42:27 -0700 ! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com O Subject: Re: OpenVMS under the umbrella - or umbrella is supported at the time? B Message-ID: <1123346547.509721.33630@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  E Ok I am smiling and not writing all the funny comebacks I am thinking  ;')   G And you are correct VMS is rock solid but alas VMS does not manufacture F customer customer gifts.  We do purchase them from vendors.  And whileG the blinky balls did last a while they did not have the same up time as F VMS.  After all most customer gifts are designed for people that loose' them (guess they don't know VMS folks).   D Speaking of the blinky balls.  Do you know if you drop them from theC ZKO3-4 (4 flights of stairs) stair well they will crack in half and 9 there are two batteries inside.  This was done by trained  professionals.   Sue    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:12:21 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS under the umbrella - or umbrella is supported at the time? time?time : Message-ID: <FO1Je.10541$ia4.67@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Ruslan R. Laishev wrote:	 > Hi All!  >  > H >  Some time back I have received from HP a umbrella with an inscriptionI > "OpenVMS"... Very nice!!!! But a umbrella not such reliable as OpenVMS.  > :( > + >  When to wait for updating/uprgading? :-)   H My umbrella still functions perfectly. However my balls don't flash any * more when I bounce them. New balls please!   > -- > Cheers, Ruslan. F > +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+D >  RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.starlet.spb.ru/radiusvms/ > C >  StarLet POP3 Server for OpenVMS with black/withe lists project - 1 >  http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/work/pop3/  > - >  ICQ: 319-518-233 Mobile: +7 (901) 316-3222  >    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 17:16:43 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS under the umbrella - or umbrella is supported at the time? time?time < Message-ID: <%f6Je.11934$ia4.7441@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>  " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote:  F > Speaking of the blinky balls.  Do you know if you drop them from theE > ZKO3-4 (4 flights of stairs) stair well they will crack in half and ; > there are two batteries inside.  This was done by trained  > professionals.  F Shhhhh or you'll have get a load of balls in the post asking for this D service. Suppose it will make a change from a load of balls in your F email :-) I'm assuming you then change the batteries and glue the two  halves back together?    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:51:38 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)4 Subject: Re: strange terminal-characteristic problem$ Message-ID: <dd1tmq$3ou$1@online.de>  5 In article <42F44A57.97E28951@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: D > > I have a node in my cluster where I can't properly edit from theK > > console.  I see "line noise" with EDT (and with TPU), bogus blank lines I > > etc.  If I connect to the same node with LAT or TELNET from a console H > > login, then all is OK.  Other console terminals on other nodes don't > > have this problem. > J > Does the target now have a SET TERM/INQUIRE during the login sequence  ?  G Yes, that's in SYS$SYLOGIN.  As I said, the output of SHOW TERMINAL is  ; the same; all interactive processes go through SYS$SYLOGIN.   P > Make sure that both the originating and destination node have similar terminalF > characteristics in terms of SET TERM/EIGHTBIT or SET TERM/NOEIGHTBIT   Yes, they are the same.   F What I get are bogus blank lines, boldface (backwards?) question marksI (similar to what TPU sometimes intentionally displays, but I see them in  I EDT as well), overwritten lines, cursor position in "reality" and on the  E display out of sync etc.  Sometimes, CTRL-W makes things look better.   E What I really think is puzzling is that, as far as I can tell, I get  : this only with the VAXstation but not with other hardware!  G Are there terminal characteristics which SHOW TERMINAL doesn't display?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:36:27 +0200 - From: Alex van Denzel <vandenzel@hotmail.com> 4 Subject: Re: strange terminal-characteristic problem6 Message-ID: <42f4a0bc$0$4215$dbd45001@news.wanadoo.nl>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: + > I SWAPPED THE TERMINALS: problem remains.   8 The problem remains with the node, or with the terminal?   Did you swap the MMJ Cables?  D Reverse question marks usually mean framing error, or undisplayable 
 character.  0 Are setups for all terminals the same (F3-Setup)   -- Alex.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 15:23:27 +0930 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>9 Subject: Re: VMS Technical Journal Call for Participation / Message-ID: <42f45db6$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>   C I did, only a couple of days ago.  A minor nit with these sorts of  I things.  When there is no email confirmation suggesting "Your submission  D has been received and you will be contacted in due course ... blah, H blah" I am never convinced that it hasn't gone into the bit-bucket like 4 similar web-form contents have so often in the past.  " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote:
 > Dear Folks,  > G > If you would like to submit an article for the next OpenVMS Technical @ > Journal please submit your abstract on the following web page. > 4 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/cfp.html > ? > Thank you as always for your help, support and participation.  > / > Abstracts will be accepted until August 20th.  > H > Articles will be due November 15 for publication in January.  A memberH > of the OpenVMS doc team will be reviewing your article and contact you > for MAJOR issues.  > G > We have had nearly 30,000 views already this year of the VTJ which is F > excellent.  Also if you have not already done so please feel free to= > rate the articles or send a comment, we love your feedback. 8 > "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/index.html" >  > Warm Regards,  > 1 > Sue Skonetski, on behalf of the entire VTJ team  > Editor >   F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+E   Mark Daniel                         http://wasd.vsm.com.au/adelaide F   mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.c0m.au (Mark.Daniel@dst0.defence.g0v.au);   A pox on the houses of all SPAMers.  Make that two poxes. F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 21:31:15 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com A Subject: Re: Why is disk I/O operation rate .GT. direct I/O rate? - Message-ID: <87mznvjios.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   & "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  E > Is this a bug? Are some I/O operations to disk not direct I/O's? If 4 > so, how does that work? Is it something else? TIA.  2 Disk IO done by the XQP is counted as buffered IO.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.436 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        