1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 09 Aug 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 442       Contents:; anyone using the WeatherDuck?  Other environmental monitor? ? Re: anyone using the WeatherDuck?  Other environmental monitor?  Re: AS2100 with KZPBA 5 Re: Gartner upgrades HP's vendor rating to "Positive" ; Re: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity ? Re: InformationWeek: Intel Says Itanium Chip Is Doing Just Fine ? Re: InformationWeek: Intel Says Itanium Chip Is Doing Just Fine ? Re: InformationWeek: Intel Says Itanium Chip Is Doing Just Fine  Re: Is it Possible?  Re: Is it Possible?  Is OVMS going Bangalore?7 Re: Killing a process that has allocated the tape drive : Re: Mark Hurd to be keynote speaker at HP Technology Forum: Re: Mark Hurd to be keynote speaker at HP Technology Forum+ Re: strange terminal-characteristic problem + Re: strange terminal-characteristic problem + Re: strange terminal-characteristic problem + Re: strange terminal-characteristic problem  Re: Vax/VMS Calculator& [REQ] OpenVMS Alpha 8.2 CD's in the UK* Re: [REQ] OpenVMS Alpha 8.2 CD's in the UK  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:23:17 -0500 + From: brandon@dalsemi.com (BRANDON, JOHN M) D Subject: anyone using the WeatherDuck?  Other environmental monitor?1 Message-ID: <05080910231731@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   F Anyone using the WeatherDuck to monitor their data center environment?   Other product(s)?    With satisfaction?     John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:31:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> H Subject: Re: anyone using the WeatherDuck?  Other environmental monitor?, Message-ID: <42F8E854.C10AC74C@teksavvy.com>   "BRANDON, JOHN M" wrote: > H > Anyone using the WeatherDuck to monitor their data center environment?  L As I recall, VAXman uses it. And I think there was someone else who does who? had made an announcement about its availability some years ago.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:58:12 -04002 From: "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb.NOSP@M.cdrh.fda.gov> Subject: Re: AS2100 with KZPBA2 Message-ID: <WD2Ke.290$n5.330@mencken.net.nih.gov>  0 "martin" <baechtel@comcast.net> wrote in message< news:1123540190.830612.56990@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...F > I had the same thing on an Alphastation and a KZPSC-BA. The KZPSC-BAI > needed flashed with the lastest firmware. This is a multi-step setup. I G > see you have a FDA e-mail address are you in the Rockville office? If 5 > so I can help you set it up I'm just up the street.   F Thanks Martin!  Yes, I'm in Rockville.  But my KZPBA is already at the latest rev of it's firmware.  I I also received another suggestion via private email; I'm now checking to L see if I can name names.  But basically the solution is to use the "reservedF to HP" bit 1 in DEVICE_NAMING.  I had already set bit 0 to enable portL allocation classes, and strictly speaking I don't need it on this node.  ButE I left well-enough alone and set bit 1 as well and VMS reverts to the I console-naming convention.  I'm now happy until and unless HP changes the  meaning of this bit!   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 14:01:45 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Gartner upgrades HP's vendor rating to "Positive"2 Message-ID: <dH2Ke.10063$FW2.101@news.cpqcorp.net>   David J Dachtera wrote: J > As to Gartner in general, given their sources of funding, I consider any2 > info from Gartner to be highly suspect, at best.  6 One does have to take some of it with a grain of salt.  / There were some funny parts in there this time.   I You know that HP has recently announced they will no longer be reselling  E Apple iPods. So the following paragraph seemed a bit out-of-date and   even a bit self-contradictory:   "Digital Music Players  E Reselling Apple iPods has validated HP as a contender in the digital  I entertainment market... But the company has yet to distinguish itself as  D being anything other than a very solid reseller of iPods for Apple, G although the strategy of partnering with Apple was correct at the time   and continues to be so."  % Another, uh, "interesting" statement:   F "The company achieved success when Carly Fiorina cultivated her media % personality image and relationships."    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 06:05:13 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> D Subject: Re: HP Pearl - HP Says Over 5,000 Applications on Integrity( Message-ID: <opsu8ryzylzgicya@hyrrokkin>  6 On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:19:57 -0500, David J Dachtera  " <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:   > Tom Linden wrote:  >>G >> On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:45:39 -0400, Main, Kerry <Kerry.Main@hp.com>   	 >> wrote:  >>I >> > While I would love to see Sybase back on OpenVMS, the fact is that    >> from H >> > an enterprise perspective, even with some of its latest features,  	 >> Sybase J >> > ASE is struggling against Oracle, SQL Server and the likes of MySQL   >> and >> > other freeware DB's.  >>K >> Well, I am aware of one wall street powerhouse that was lost as a result 
 >> therof. > & > Lost as a biz or lost as a VMS site?   Both.  >    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2005 05:55:23 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com H Subject: Re: InformationWeek: Intel Says Itanium Chip Is Doing Just FineC Message-ID: <1123592123.782986.140920@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   D wrong again ... the x86 boat anchor is just about out of tricks, and? so is risc ... if they make itanium ev9 like, they will win ...    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2005 17:07:53 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)H Subject: Re: InformationWeek: Intel Says Itanium Chip Is Doing Just Fine, Message-ID: <3ls679F148n7eU2@individual.net>  C In article <1123592123.782986.140920@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,  	bob@instantwhip.com writes:F > wrong again ... the x86 boat anchor is just about out of tricks, and > so is risc ...    B Stop being such an idiot.  Alpha was RISC and it would have had no@ problem staying ahead of Itanium till long after I retired.  X86( is having no problem keeping up either.   A >                if they make itanium ev9 like, they will win ...   A You need to give that one a rest too.  There is  no EV9.  Itanium ? is not going to be the new Alpha.  Itanium will need to sink or @ swim on its own merits and we have already seen how well it does that.    bill    --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:28:53 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> H Subject: Re: InformationWeek: Intel Says Itanium Chip Is Doing Just Fine, Message-ID: <42F8E7D3.7935C498@teksavvy.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > F > wrong again ... the x86 boat anchor is just about out of tricks, andA > so is risc ... if they make itanium ev9 like, they will win ...     N VMS was declared dead back in early 1990s by the media. It is still alive, andF if it were give proper development and marketing budgets would thrive.  L When Intel started IA64, it thought that the 8086 would run out of steam andN IA64 would replace it as industry standard chip. But low and behold, Intel hasJ managed to not only advance the 8086 to even greater heights, but now alsoQ move it to 64 bits and that 8086 toy controller will end up killing Ia64 in 2007.   N Where there is money and huge demand/volume, there is a way to get performance out of a chip.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:20:15 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> Subject: Re: Is it Possible?? Message-ID: <Pj0Ke.104757$3j2.3665985@twister.southeast.rr.com>   K Many lists ask readers put "SUMMARY:" as a prefix to the title or question   and post back to the group.    Ken   % _____________________________________ " Kenneth R. Farmer <>< 336-736-73763 www.OpenVMS.org | dba.OpenVMS.org | dcl.OpenVMS.org  HP OpenVMS News and Info                : "Ken Fairfield" <my.full.name@intel.com> wrote in message % news:dd8it7$pu3$1@news01.intel.com... $ > susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: >> Dear Newsgroup Folks, >> >> Is the following possible?  >>J >> When folks raise a fixable problem that they also post when the problem >> has been fixed. > ( > This used to be called "netiquette"... > & >> In my opinion this does two things. >>J >> 1. It stops the person that raises the problem looking like all they do/ >> is raise problems that never have solutions.  >>I >> 2. It stops me getting the same problem over and over again even after  >> its been resolved.  > ? > And those points were the rationale, or at least, part of the @ > rationale.  Another was to save bandwidth (which we apparently > don't care about anymore). > ? > IIRC, the suggestion used to be along the lines of, "Ask that C > replies be sent directly to the original poster, with the promise . > to "summarize" the responses for the group." > H >> Everyone wants to help which is a great thing, but to have a bunch of: >> people going after the same problem is a waste of time. >>D >> By the way I say fixable, something that we in engineering can do >> something about.  > $ > Thanks for everything you do, Sue! >  > Regards, Ken > --  8 > I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me... >  > Ken Fairfield # > D1C Automation VMS System Support $ > who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield > where: intel dot com     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:24:12 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Is it Possible?, Message-ID: <42F8E6BB.879A6697@teksavvy.com>   Sue:  F I understand your question. However, often, especially for VAX relatedM questions, one has the impression that nobody at Digital is listening and not R acting, so there is little point in informing Digital that the problem was solved.  L So perhaps, if you were to advise us of which problems that were raised hereN which you are tracking, then it would be easier for us to give you feedback onM when/how problem was resolved. But for problems which Digital isn't tracking, : it would sort of confise you to get all sorts of feedback.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2005 10:18:19 -0700 $ From: "WildCat" <jplahman@yahoo.com>! Subject: Is OVMS going Bangalore? B Message-ID: <1123607899.301714.22910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  E Am I correct to read that The Inquirer is reporting that OVMS support B is going to Costa Rica and the rest of OVMS is going to Bangalore?   Is this really true?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:18:05 +0200 & From: Soterro <soterroAT@yahooDOT.com>@ Subject: Re: Killing a process that has allocated the tape drive1 Message-ID: <dd9otf$rm5$2@klatschtante.init7.net>    Bob Koehler wrote:G  > For some hardware yes, but for most hardware no.  Most hardware will G  > not respond predictably to modifying a DMA address after the DMA has   > been started.   Indeed.   H But we were talking about defective hardware which does not do that DMA H anymore but just waits, a condition probably easy to detect by the tape H controller. I guess that is the hardware design issue which should have E been fixed in the meantime but was not (darn those cheap tape units).   F In another thread somebody mentioned an Alpha 7.2-1 system crash when G the operator was canceling too soon a CD operation. Could it have been  E coming from the same design issue? Because if yes, it's not only the  & magtape... (darn those cheap CD units)   S    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 06:35:42 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) C Subject: Re: Mark Hurd to be keynote speaker at HP Technology Forum 9 Message-ID: <29YJe.100271$gL1.36350@tornado.texas.rr.com>   3 David J Dachtera (djesys.nospam@comcast.net) wrote:  : G : That'd put him head-and-shoulders above any other CEO in the country.  :   F Maybe in the top 5, but the top CEO honor goes to Malden Mills' former CEO, Aaron Feuerstein:  L    http://sitesearch.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3963-2001Dec19.html7    A CEO Who Lives by What's Right (washingtonpost.com)      "By Mary McGrory(    Thursday, December 20, 2001; Page A03  G    In this anxious hour of pink-slip dread, it is restoring to think of @    Aaron Feuerstein, a Massachusetts manufacturer who prizes his/    employees and risks profits on their behalf.   A    The CEO of Malden Mills, located in Lawrence, the 23rd poorest F    community in the country, stepped clear of the greedy stereotype ofI    his kind in 1995 when, just before Christmas, his factory burned down. D    Rather than taking the insurance money and retiring or moving theI    plant to some Third World country, he promptly announced that he would G    rebuild. He gave bonuses to the help and paid them while they waited      for the factory reopening..."     --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:33:35 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> C Subject: Re: Mark Hurd to be keynote speaker at HP Technology Forum % Message-ID: <g14Ke.17$Le2.1@fe07.lga>   
 leslie wrote: H > Maybe in the top 5, but the top CEO honor goes to Malden Mills' former > CEO, Aaron Feuerstein: > N >    http://sitesearch.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3963-2001Dec19.html9 >    A CEO Who Lives by What's Right (washingtonpost.com)  >  >   "By Mary McGrory* >    Thursday, December 20, 2001; Page A03 > I >    In this anxious hour of pink-slip dread, it is restoring to think of B >    Aaron Feuerstein, a Massachusetts manufacturer who prizes his1 >    employees and risks profits on their behalf.  > C >    The CEO of Malden Mills, located in Lawrence, the 23rd poorest H >    community in the country, stepped clear of the greedy stereotype ofK >    his kind in 1995 when, just before Christmas, his factory burned down. F >    Rather than taking the insurance money and retiring or moving theK >    plant to some Third World country, he promptly announced that he would I >    rebuild. He gave bonuses to the help and paid them while they waited " >    for the factory reopening..."  G That act of generosity cost Malden Mills $100M and was a big reason why ) the company filed for bankruptcy in 2001.   E Mr Feuerstein was generous, but foolish, and certainly not a top CEO. E Top CEOs don't ruin their companies by giving employees money for not  working.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2005 06:01:08 GMT 2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>4 Subject: Re: strange terminal-characteristic problem? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-zkLHJibGiEzC@dave2_os2.home.ours>   A On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 03:27:48 UTC, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de  1 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:   B > I have a node in my cluster where I can't properly edit from theI > console.  I see "line noise" with EDT (and with TPU), bogus blank lines H > etc.  If I connect to the same node with LAT or TELNET from a console G > login, then all is OK.  Other console terminals on other nodes don't   > have this problem.  6 You don't have a login banner/message that sends some F (incomplete/incorrect) escape sequences to the terminal do you? I have an old memory of such a quirk.   --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2005 07:46:19 -0700 # From: "WhoDat?" <whohe@whoever.com> 4 Subject: Re: strange terminal-characteristic problemC Message-ID: <1123598779.089893.316150@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: E > In article <1123537480.822530.182790@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, ' > "WhoDat?" <whohe@whoever.com> writes:  > I > > > Note that I replaced the hardware with similar hardware.  Maybe the H > > > hard-wired settings on the VAXstation 4000 and VAX 4000 models are > > > different. > > B > > I understood you to say that you booted the system disk from aK > > completely different box, terminal, cable and all, and you had the same  > > problem on both computers. > C > I had disk + cable + VT + computer for both nodes.  I swapped the I > cables, swapped the VTs.  The problem remained with the "node".  I then H > replaced each computer with another one BUT OF SIMILAR HARDWARE  (i.e.F > VAXstation with VAXstation, VAX with VAX) and found that the problem > stayed with the system disk.  F Then, why are you looking anyplace other than the system disk???? Time; for you to get out a piece of paper and draw some pictures.    VT1+Cable1+Box1+Disk1 = problem " VT2+Cable2+Box2+Disk2 = NO-problem VT2+Cable2+Box2+Disk1 = problem   = Fill in any other pertinent components. Where is the problem?    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:00:12 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)4 Subject: Re: strange terminal-characteristic problem$ Message-ID: <ddanes$ekk$1@online.de>  C In article <1123598779.089893.316150@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, & "WhoDat?" <whohe@whoever.com> writes:   E > > I had disk + cable + VT + computer for both nodes.  I swapped the K > > cables, swapped the VTs.  The problem remained with the "node".  I then J > > replaced each computer with another one BUT OF SIMILAR HARDWARE  (i.e.H > > VAXstation with VAXstation, VAX with VAX) and found that the problem  > > stayed with the system disk. > H > Then, why are you looking anyplace other than the system disk???? Time= > for you to get out a piece of paper and draw some pictures.  > ! > VT1+Cable1+Box1+Disk1 = problem $ > VT2+Cable2+Box2+Disk2 = NO-problem! > VT2+Cable2+Box2+Disk1 = problem  > ? > Fill in any other pertinent components. Where is the problem?   H  VT2+Cable2+Box3+Disk1 = problem where Box3 is similar hardware to Box1.  H I'm pretty sure it's not the system disk, since they are essentially theE same, and files like SYS$SYLOGIN are on a non-system disk used by all @ nodes.  My current suspicion is that the hard-wired, or at leastG default, console settings for the VAXstation 4000 models are different   than for the VAX 4000 models.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:21:43 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: strange terminal-characteristic problem, Message-ID: <42F8E626.97CC59D5@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: I > That would tie in with my suspicion that the problem is something which J > is hard-wired in the hardware and thus different between the VAX and theI > VAXstation.  However, it is the VAXstation which has the problem, and I 3 > was thinking that it is more modern than the VAX.   M However, VAXstations were designed to have OPA0: on the graphical screen. And N I know that this portion of the driver does not support 8 bit characters. (eg:J write sys$output "Chocolat mi-sucr" would come out as "Chocolat mi-sucri"U because the driver chops off the high order bit and  turns into i when that happens.   H Since VAXstations support multiple OPA0: (on the graphics screen or on aS serial port), perhaps the drivers are less complete than on VAXstations versus VAX.   3 You mentioned the serial port next door works fine.   E Have you tried booting the vasxtation with the graphics screen as the L designated OPA0 (eg: plug a keyboard into the vaxstation) and then using theM first port as a normal serial port ?  If that port, as TTAx: works fine, then N the actual hardware is OK, and it would mean that it is the OPA0: driver which- doesn't interface properly with the hardware.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2005 17:03:54 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Vax/VMS Calculator , Message-ID: <3ls5vqF148n7eU1@individual.net>  7 In article <8660a3a105080817025874029d@mail.gmail.com>, 0 	William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> writes:5 > On 8 Aug 2005 15:45:56 -0700, contracer11@gmail.com   > <contracer11@gmail.com> wrote:C >> Please, can you tell me where could I get a graphical calculator % >> to download in my VAX and use it ? 
 >> Thanks. >>   >>   > VAX?   > Graphical? > I'm confused.   @ About what?  The only VAX I own that I have never run DECWindows? on was a MicroVAX-II,  Every other VAX I have ever had was more = than capable of being "Graphical".  Or did I miss your tongue " firmly embeded in your cheek?  :-)   bill               --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2005 03:02:07 -0700 5 From: "Edward Alekxandr" <Edward.Alekxandr@gmail.com> / Subject: [REQ] OpenVMS Alpha 8.2 CD's in the UK C Message-ID: <1123579221.773788.251660@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hi all,   G Just a quick question, does anyone have a copy of OpenVMS Alpha 8.2 and G the layered products (CONDIST) that they might be willing to copy for a  hobbyist in the UK (Bristol).   # Many (Many) thanks if you can help.      Cheers     Edward.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:56:28 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG3 Subject: Re: [REQ] OpenVMS Alpha 8.2 CD's in the UK 0 Message-ID: <00A48051.133620B7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  { In article <1123579221.773788.251660@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Edward Alekxandr" <Edward.Alekxandr@gmail.com> writes:  >  >Hi all, > H >Just a quick question, does anyone have a copy of OpenVMS Alpha 8.2 andH >the layered products (CONDIST) that they might be willing to copy for a >hobbyist in the UK (Bristol). > $ >Many (Many) thanks if you can help.  L IIRC, Colin Butcher is in Bristol.  He may be able to oblige you with eitherL a copy (is it legal even for a hobbyist?) or allow you to borrow his distro.   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.442 ************************