1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 12 Aug 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 447       Contents:* Re: $SHOW DEVICE/FILES enhancement request* Re: $SHOW DEVICE/FILES enhancement request* Re: $SHOW DEVICE/FILES enhancement request* Re: $SHOW DEVICE/FILES enhancement request* Re: $SHOW DEVICE/FILES enhancement request Am I Running OpenSSL?  Re: Am I Running OpenSSL? % Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save Set % Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save Set % Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save Set L Re: It's that time again for my quarterly "Where is the CONDIST???" posting.@ Re: Killing a process that has allocated the tape drive - cont'd@ Re: Killing a process that has allocated the tape drive - cont'd( Re: looking for TIMES-ROMAN.XDPS$OUTLINE making unzip.exe a command Re: making unzip.exe a command Re: making unzip.exe a command Re: making unzip.exe a command Re: making unzip.exe a command Re: making unzip.exe a command Re: making unzip.exe a command Re: making unzip.exe a command Re: making unzip.exe a command Re: making unzip.exe a command Re: making unzip.exe a command Re: making unzip.exe a command Re: making unzip.exe a command Re: making unzip.exe a command Re: making unzip.exe a command Re: making unzip.exe a command: Re: Mark Hurd to be keynote speaker at HP Technology Forum: Re: Mark Hurd to be keynote speaker at HP Technology Forum Memory Reclamation Questions Re: Moving System Disk Re: Moving System Disk Re: Moving System Disk Re: Moving System Disk Re: Moving System Disk RE: Moving System Disk RE: Moving System Disk% OpenVMS Integrity V8.2-1 New Features ) Re: OpenVMS Integrity V8.2-1 New Features ) RE: OpenVMS Integrity V8.2-1 New Features ( Re: Problem printing binary image files.( Re: Problem printing binary image files.( Re: Problem printing binary image files.( Re: Problem printing binary image files. Re: Telnet over VPN  Re: Telnet over VPN   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:07:33 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: Re: $SHOW DEVICE/FILES enhancement request , Message-ID: <42FB93E1.1DF4E4F8@teksavvy.com>   Jeff Cameron wrote:  > M > I appologize. I meant to say ANAL/SYSTEM and not SYSMAN. It is the way I do 	 > it now.   F What is the SDA> command that one needs to issue to get the equivalent of SHOW DEV/FILES ?   ) (and can one get show dev/files/nosys ? )   1 Personally, I also support SHOW DEV/FILES/CLUSTER   A Finding out what files are opened by whom is is huge asset for an H operating system. In a cluster environment, one expects VMS to provide a complete list of files.   E I would settle for the comand working only from the node which is the  lock manager for that disk.    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Aug 2005 16:52:24 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 3 Subject: Re: $SHOW DEVICE/FILES enhancement request 3 Message-ID: <$lM58K3+NdK0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <J3YVqJPJIbki@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   J >    Me thinks you mean SYSMAN.  Yep, good stuff.  I just never understood@ >    why SYSMAN required OPER privilege, even for such otherwize >    non-privileged actions.  C Would the person running SYSMAN have been permitted to log into the B other node in the cluster directly ?  What kind of connections areC available to that node and are they the sort over which this person  is allowed to log in ?  F There is a _lot_ of permission checking for process types in LOGINOUT,; and bypassing it with SYSMAN should be somewhat controlled.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:08:53 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)3 Subject: Re: $SHOW DEVICE/FILES enhancement request $ Message-ID: <ddgi9l$7gt$1@online.de>  3 In article <$lM58K3+NdK0@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   s > In article <J3YVqJPJIbki@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  > L > >    Me thinks you mean SYSMAN.  Yep, good stuff.  I just never understoodB > >    why SYSMAN required OPER privilege, even for such otherwize > >    non-privileged actions. > E > Would the person running SYSMAN have been permitted to log into the D > other node in the cluster directly ?  What kind of connections areE > available to that node and are they the sort over which this person  > is allowed to log in ? > H > There is a _lot_ of permission checking for process types in LOGINOUT,= > and bypassing it with SYSMAN should be somewhat controlled.   A SYSMAN processes have F$MODE() = OTHER.  SYSMAN processes execute H LOGIN.COM.  Obviously, if the user doesn't have an account on the remoteH system, then he can't log in.  But that happens now no matter what privsF you have on the local node.  If there is an account but with differentD rights, then obviously some commands will fail, but that is the caseE now.  What is the issue?  The problem which was mentioned is that it  H requires privs to fire up SYSMAN on the local node, even if all I do is C DO SHOW TIME or something.  As I mentioned above, SYSMAN processes  H running on other nodes don't "bypass" anything; they are a normal login  with F$MODE() = OTHER.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Aug 2005 18:27:37 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 3 Subject: Re: $SHOW DEVICE/FILES enhancement request 3 Message-ID: <q1j76vUklUZI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <ddgi9l$7gt$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: 5 > In article <$lM58K3+NdK0@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 2 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > t >> In article <J3YVqJPJIbki@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >>  M >> >    Me thinks you mean SYSMAN.  Yep, good stuff.  I just never understood C >> >    why SYSMAN required OPER privilege, even for such otherwize  >> >    non-privileged actions.  >>  F >> Would the person running SYSMAN have been permitted to log into theE >> other node in the cluster directly ?  What kind of connections are F >> available to that node and are they the sort over which this person >> is allowed to log in ?  >>  I >> There is a _lot_ of permission checking for process types in LOGINOUT, > >> and bypassing it with SYSMAN should be somewhat controlled. > ) > SYSMAN processes have F$MODE() = OTHER.   F None of the permitted access types from SYSUAF can be used to restrict such access.  > > Obviously, if the user doesn't have an account on the remoteJ > system, then he can't log in.  But that happens now no matter what privs > you have on the local node.   C But SYSUAF is supposed to be shared, so one node of a cluster might D allow only LOCAL connections and have lots of the users denied LOCALD access.  That might not be the way you would configure your cluster,B but the designers of SYSMAN had to deal with all the possible ways- existing clusters might have been configured.   ) > As I mentioned above, SYSMAN processes  1 > running on other nodes don't "bypass" anything;    Try the following commands:   "         $ SHOW LOGICAL SYS$SCRATCH         $ MCR SYSMAN'         SYSMAN> SET ENVIRONMENT/CLUSTER +         SYSMAN> DO SHOW LOGICAL SYS$SCRATCH   C and if your system is like mine you will see that at least creation D of SYS$SCRATCH is bypassed.  What else is bypassed ?  I am not aboutC to reread the entire source of LOGINOUT (although I have done so in 
 the past).   > they are a normal login  > with F$MODE() = OTHER.  D If that is a "normal" login, what other methods can I use to achieve  F$MODE() = OTHER ?`` '         SYSMAN> SET ENVIRONMENT/CLUSTER +         SYSMAN> DO SHOW LOGICAL SYS$SCRATCH   C and if your system is like mine you will see that at least creation H of SYS$SCRATCH is bypassed.  What else is bypassed ?  I am not about    C to reread the entire source of LOGINOUT (although I have done so in  the past).     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:17:57 -0700 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: $SHOW DEVICE/FILES enhancement request 0 Message-ID: <BF2138C5.122E6%roktsci@comcast.net>  J On 8/11/05 11:07 AM, in article 42FB93E1.1DF4E4F8@teksavvy.com, "JF Mezei"% <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > Jeff Cameron wrote:  >>  N >> I appologize. I meant to say ANAL/SYSTEM and not SYSMAN. It is the way I do
 >> it now. > H > What is the SDA> command that one needs to issue to get the equivalent > of SHOW DEV/FILES ?  > + > (and can one get show dev/files/nosys ? )  > 3 > Personally, I also support SHOW DEV/FILES/CLUSTER  > C > Finding out what files are opened by whom is is huge asset for an J > operating system. In a cluster environment, one expects VMS to provide a > complete list of files.  > G > I would settle for the comand working only from the node which is the  > lock manager for that disk.   K SYSMAN would be used for the SHOW DEVICE/FILES. When I spoke of ANAL/SYSTEM F I was referring to showing files open for a given process; the command being:  ( SDA>SHOW PROC/INDEX=<proc-index>/CHANNEL   Jeff   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:34:49 -0500 / From: "Wheeler, Scott" <scott.wheeler@lmco.com>  Subject: Am I Running OpenSSL?L Message-ID: <E5BD2B3860980D4899B731AD0205C9380345DF0F@emss07m11.us.lmco.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  & --Boundary_(ID_sAJIsXdfiTxBIn25u0Zy3Q)* Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT   H I have 'inherited' some [additional] VMS systems at work. How can I tellG if they are running OpenSSL? (I don't know anything about using OpenSSL E and I don't know which FManual to read.) Is there an EXE or library I E can look for? [It's not that I *want* to use it; I need to know if it / exists to satisfy a corporate patching policy.]        : Thanks...                                   /Scott Wheeler  1 Lockheed Martin -- Enterprise Information Systems   . VMS System Management * scott.wheeler@lmco.com  / Fort Worth TX * 817-763-7453 * 817-312-8161 w/l          & --Boundary_(ID_sAJIsXdfiTxBIn25u0Zy3Q)) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII  Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT    <html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">    <head>F <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii">C <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> I <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"   name="State"/> I <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"   name="City"/>I <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"   name="place"/>  <!--[if !mso]> <style> & st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </style> <![endif]--> <style>  <!--  /* Font Definitions */   @font-face  	{font-family:"Comic Sans MS";  	panose-1:3 15 7 2 3 3 2 2 2 4;}
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 > >> > If you + > >> > MOUNT/FOREIGN tape_device tape_label  > >> > You can  > >> > BACKUP/LIST tape_device:* > >>C > >> If you're going to use BACKUP, let VMS mount the tape for you.  > > J > >Uh, on a v5.4-1 system I had trouble using BACKUP to mount a tape. If II > >put in a tape that was not the first save set volume it would screw up A > >with funny characters reported as the label. Using an explicit G > >MOUNT/FOR made everything work fine. Ever since then I tend to do an B > >explicit MOUNT first, except with standalone backup, of course! > >  > O > This appears to be historical residue from the previous millenium.  I was not + > able to reproduce this behavior on 7.3-2.  > F > In the following example, tape DLT038 is a continuation of a saveset >  >  > HARDY> sho dev mk  > R > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntR >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt0 > HARDY$MKB600:           Online               0" > HARDY> backup/list HARDY$MKB600: > Listing of save set(s) > , > %MOUNT-I-WRITELOCK, volume is write locked4 > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, DLT038 mounted on _HARDY$MKB600:M > %BACKUP-W-NOT1STVOL, HARDY$MKB600:[000000].; is not the start of a save set  > . > Save set:          KEYKOP_DISK.IMG, volume 2 [...]  >  > P > Sure it got a warning message about not being at the beginning of the saveset,J > but it certainly had no problems finding the label or mounting the tape.  @ I currently don't have the problem, but 2 jobs ago I worked on aC VMScluster that had to 8mm Exabyte tape drives (I believe the brand B name was Cybernetics) and whenever I used BACKUP to MOUNT a secondF volume of a save set it would not work at all. After recovering via ^YE I would SHOW DEV the drive and it reported garbage characters for the D label name. It would not work at all unless I MOUNTed it serpartely.A Then I would get the warning message about it not being the first + volume of a save set and it would run fine.   @ I only mention this as an example where it was better to issue aC separate MOUNT command. I don't know what David's problem with this  was.   Another example:  B If you want a certain default load-unload action, then you need toG issue a separate MOUNT command. IOW, you can do MOUNT/NOUNLOAD, but you  can't do BACKUP/NOUNLOAD.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:34:14 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>. Subject: Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save Set/ Message-ID: <00A4820A.35F13E3C.5@tachysoft.com>   % >From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>  >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms/ >Subject: Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save Set ! >Date: 11 Aug 2005 11:33:01 -0700    >  >Wayne Sewell wrote:( >> >From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> >> >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 2 >> >Subject: Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save Set$ >> >Date: 10 Aug 2005 19:52:55 -0700* >> >Organization: http://groups.google.com
 >> >Lines: 27  >> >> > >> >Z wrote: >> >> William Webb wrote:  >> >> > If you, >> >> > MOUNT/FOREIGN tape_device tape_label >> >> > You can ! >> >> > BACKUP/LIST tape_device:*  >> >> D >> >> If you're going to use BACKUP, let VMS mount the tape for you. >> >K >> >Uh, on a v5.4-1 system I had trouble using BACKUP to mount a tape. If I J >> >put in a tape that was not the first save set volume it would screw upB >> >with funny characters reported as the label. Using an explicitH >> >MOUNT/FOR made everything work fine. Ever since then I tend to do anC >> >explicit MOUNT first, except with standalone backup, of course!  >> > >>P >> This appears to be historical residue from the previous millenium.  I was not, >> able to reproduce this behavior on 7.3-2. >> [...] >> > A >I currently don't have the problem, but 2 jobs ago I worked on a D >VMScluster that had to 8mm Exabyte tape drives (I believe the brandC >name was Cybernetics) and whenever I used BACKUP to MOUNT a second G >volume of a save set it would not work at all. After recovering via ^Y F >I would SHOW DEV the drive and it reported garbage characters for theE >label name. It would not work at all unless I MOUNTed it serpartely. B >Then I would get the warning message about it not being the first, >volume of a save set and it would run fine.  I I have never used 8MM drives, but stuff like this is mild compared to the N stories I have heard about them.  Perhaps those unfortunate enough to be stuckK with them must use a manual mount, but the rest of us can let backup do it.    > A >I only mention this as an example where it was better to issue a D >separate MOUNT command. I don't know what David's problem with this >was.  >  >Another example:  > C >If you want a certain default load-unload action, then you need to ! >issue a separate MOUNT command.      O By default load-unload, I assume you mean when using /release_tape.  By default H backup does not dismount/unload the tape at all, because you could issue1 another backup command to append another saveset.       ( >IOW, you can do MOUNT/NOUNLOAD, but you >can't do BACKUP/NOUNLOAD. >   M However, you can do dismount/nounload after the backup.  You do *not* have to 9 issue an explicit mount for this unless you use /release.    backup dismount/nounload   H I do this all the time, and tapesys can be told to do it as well.  On myO tapesys test systems, I have DISMOUNT_QUALS set to "/NOUNLOAD", so that I don't < have to go upstairs to reload tapes every time I run a test.   Is     	mount/nounload  	backup/releas   that much easier than    	backup  	dismount/nounload   ?   : Actually, the latter is more flexible, because you can do:   	backup/rewind 	backup  	backup  	backup  	backup  	dismount/nounload  O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Jake Blues:"You traded the Caddy for a microphone? ...... Okay, I can buy that."   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Aug 2005 15:53:55 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>. Subject: Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save SetB Message-ID: <1123800835.832291.34810@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Wayne Sewell wrote: ' > >From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>  > >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms1 > >Subject: Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save Set # > >Date: 11 Aug 2005 11:33:01 -0700  >  > >  > >Wayne Sewell wrote:* > >> >From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> > >> >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 4 > >> >Subject: Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save Set& > >> >Date: 10 Aug 2005 19:52:55 -0700, > >> >Organization: http://groups.google.com > >> >Lines: 27  > >> > >> > > >> >Z wrote: > >> >> William Webb wrote:  > >> >> > If you. > >> >> > MOUNT/FOREIGN tape_device tape_label > >> >> > You can # > >> >> > BACKUP/LIST tape_device:*  > >> >> F > >> >> If you're going to use BACKUP, let VMS mount the tape for you. > >> >M > >> >Uh, on a v5.4-1 system I had trouble using BACKUP to mount a tape. If I L > >> >put in a tape that was not the first save set volume it would screw upD > >> >with funny characters reported as the label. Using an explicitJ > >> >MOUNT/FOR made everything work fine. Ever since then I tend to do anE > >> >explicit MOUNT first, except with standalone backup, of course!  > >> > > >>R > >> This appears to be historical residue from the previous millenium.  I was not. > >> able to reproduce this behavior on 7.3-2.
 > >> [...] > >> > > C > >I currently don't have the problem, but 2 jobs ago I worked on a F > >VMScluster that had to 8mm Exabyte tape drives (I believe the brandE > >name was Cybernetics) and whenever I used BACKUP to MOUNT a second I > >volume of a save set it would not work at all. After recovering via ^Y H > >I would SHOW DEV the drive and it reported garbage characters for theG > >label name. It would not work at all unless I MOUNTed it serpartely. D > >Then I would get the warning message about it not being the first. > >volume of a save set and it would run fine. > K > I have never used 8MM drives, but stuff like this is mild compared to the P > stories I have heard about them.  Perhaps those unfortunate enough to be stuckM > with them must use a manual mount, but the rest of us can let backup do it.   E I don't know how common my problem was elsewhere. At my current job I @ have 4mm DAT TLZ07's and TLZ09's and they are often troublesome.F Reading a tape on a different drive sometimes gives parity errors partG way through the tape! If it's an alignment problem, why doesn't it crap  out right away?   C > >I only mention this as an example where it was better to issue a F > >separate MOUNT command. I don't know what David's problem with this > >was.  > >  > >Another example:  > > E > >If you want a certain default load-unload action, then you need to " > >issue a separate MOUNT command. >  > Q > By default load-unload, I assume you mean when using /release_tape.  By default J > backup does not dismount/unload the tape at all, because you could issue3 > another backup command to append another saveset.   C Nope. Nothing to do with release_tape. I meant changing the default  behaviour of a dismount.  * > >IOW, you can do MOUNT/NOUNLOAD, but you > >can't do BACKUP/NOUNLOAD. > >  > O > However, you can do dismount/nounload after the backup.  You do *not* have to ; > issue an explicit mount for this unless you use /release.  >  > backup > dismount/nounload  > J > I do this all the time, and tapesys can be told to do it as well.  On myQ > tapesys test systems, I have DISMOUNT_QUALS set to "/NOUNLOAD", so that I don't > > have to go upstairs to reload tapes every time I run a test. >  > Is >  > 	mount/nounload  > 	backup/releas >  > that much easier than  > 	 > 	backup  > 	dismount/nounload    - When you have a batch job like the following:    $   SET VERIFY $   MOUNT/FOR MKA0 /NOUNLOADF $   BACK/LIST MKA0:            ! or some other more interesting BACKUP	 command !  $   EXIT  8 and you want the tape not to unload no matter what, YES!  C Suppose I'm running the above command procedure in batch, then I go E home. From home I see it's messing up. I DELETE/ENTRY it and the tape G doesn't unload. No time to do a DISMOUNT/UNLOAD. Now, even though there & is no one at work, I can try it again.  D Yeah, there are other ways to handle it. But so what? The other ways are more typing.   [...]    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:08:04 -0400 4 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>U Subject: Re: It's that time again for my quarterly "Where is the CONDIST???" posting. , Message-ID: <3m1ig9F14n6o1U1@individual.net>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >...F >> zero, etc. from DSPP.  I wouldn't know they existed had it not beenE >> for some posting in comp.os.vms.  The fact that there is a $524.70 F >> debit in my business account on 31-March-2005 for the VMS SDK wouldB >> have me believe that DSPP is still in existance.  Actually, the >...  G Did you get your kit yet? After seeing this thread I contacted the DSPP F through their Contact Us web page stating that I paid for the DSPP SDKF in February but only received one shipment of the layered products andG documentation so far. Someone phoned me two days later to apologize for A the problem and I had the Alpha 8.2, Layered Products and Doc kit   delivered a few days after that.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:42:59 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.comI Subject: Re: Killing a process that has allocated the tape drive - cont'd Q Message-ID: <OF131D9947.96F80A72-ON8525705A.0062F273-8525705A.0066D06F@metso.com>   : The latest patch, VMS731_FIBRE_SCSI-V0700, was released on 3-May-2005, but recalled IIRC.: There has been a VMS732_FIBRE_SCSI-V0700 on 8-Aug-2005, so9 VMS731_FIBRE_SCSI-V0700 is probably about to be released.   6 I have been running with VMS731_FIBRE_SCSI-V0400 since# 21-Feb-2004 and it has been stable.   8 You should either wait for the newest ECO and/or contact5 HP support and get an ECO that properly supports your  disk/tape configuration.  A [As others have posted, showing the exact message(s) really helps E avoid us going down ratholes and chasing the goose that is not tame.]   K "MUSTAFA ATAKAN" <matakan@inteltek.com.tr> wrote on 08/11/2005 01:30:52 PM:   
 > Hello John,  > - > This is the original poster of the case....  > I > I have been reading the follow-ups since I sent the first letter. Until J > now, I rebooted one node from the cluster in order to solve the problem.I > But the problem got even worse, I did not see the device $2$mga1. I run I > "mc sysman io autoconf" and the device came back. But the problem still  > remains the same.  > F > In the attached file, I have added all the useful data you mentionedI > below. As you can see, when I say "show dev mga1 /full", it says that a E > process is using the tape drive. But when I search the process with F > "show system /full", there is no such process and it makes me really > angry. Ghost process... :) > I > Anyway, when I want to learn the version of fibre_scsi patch, I realize F > that there is no such a patch (you can see it in the attached file).H > Vms_7.3.1_Fibre_scsi v1.0 was removed and there is no the same kind ofG > patch any more. (By the way, this upgrade was not performed by me.) I G > suspect the fibre_scsi patch to be cause of the problem and waiting a I > guy to verify my suspicion (so that i can call my local HP site and ask H > him why they did not apply fibre_scsi patch) or show me a point that i0 > won't face with the same problem after reboot. > $ > Thank you all for your kind helps. > Best Regards...  >  > -----Original Message-----@ > From: John Malmberg [mailto:malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp]* > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 5:08 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com B > Subject: Re: Killing a process that has allocated the tape drive > I > I will try to clear up some things in this thread.  Keep in mind that I - > do not normally work with the tape drivers.  > J > The tape drive in the original post was named $1$MGA which means it is a > Fibre Channel device.  > E > This means that the maximum time that a process should be in a hung G > state because of a Tape problem is the value of TAPE_MVTMEOUT + (Time J > expected for tape operation * error retry count).  TAPE_MVTIMEOUT is setJ > to 10 minutes on my DS10, but I do not think that value is checked until8 > the error retries and recovery attempts are exhausted. > G > If a process is in this hung state for more than that amount of time, I > then that is a Fibre/SCSI-Tape driver bug somewhere, even if there is a J > problem with the hardware that was the initial cause.  This is somethingF > that logging a call to HP Software Support may be needed to resolve. > I > In the original posting case the DMA transfers are under the control of H > the Fibre Channel Adapter hardware, and until it confirms that the I/OI > has been canceled the memory needs to remain locked by the tape driver.  > I > As the original poster has not responded to this thread, we do not know H > what version of OpenVMS they are running, nor do we know what ECOs areD > present, or even if after TAPE_MVTIMEOUT + ??? elapsed the process > cleaned it self up.  >  > John# > malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp  > Personal Opinion Only . > [attachment "error_data.txt" deleted by Norm Raphael/WOR/Automation/METSO]    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:45:56 GMT 7 From: John Malmberg <malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp> I Subject: Re: Killing a process that has allocated the tape drive - cont'd 3 Message-ID: <oGPKe.10283$uE4.8286@news.cpqcorp.net>    MUSTAFA ATAKAN wrote: 
 > Hello John,  > - > This is the original poster of the case....  > I > I have been reading the follow-ups since I sent the first letter. Until J > now, I rebooted one node from the cluster in order to solve the problem.I > But the problem got even worse, I did not see the device $2$mga1. I run I > "mc sysman io autoconf" and the device came back. But the problem still  > remains the same.  > F > In the attached file, I have added all the useful data you mentionedI > below. As you can see, when I say "show dev mga1 /full", it says that a E > process is using the tape drive. But when I search the process with F > "show system /full", there is no such process and it makes me really > angry. Ghost process... :)  I > Anyway, when I want to learn the version of fibre_scsi patch, I realize F > that there is no such a patch (you can see it in the attached file).H > Vms_7.3.1_Fibre_scsi v1.0 was removed and there is no the same kind ofG > patch any more. (By the way, this upgrade was not performed by me.) I G > suspect the fibre_scsi patch to be cause of the problem and waiting a I > guy to verify my suspicion (so that i can call my local HP site and ask H > him why they did not apply fibre_scsi patch) or show me a point that i0 > won't face with the same problem after reboot.  I I really can not give you any more information than I already have.  You  F need to log a call with the HP customer support and they can help you F determine what patch you need, or if this is a new problem, they know ( what steps to follow to try to fix this.  I Your posting shows that you are currently running OpenVMS 7.3-2, and the  H installation of 7.3-2 would have removed all 7.3-1 patches because they  no longer apply.  H The current version of OpenVMS is now 8.2, and there have been a number  of patches issued for 7.3-2.   -John ! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp  Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Aug 2005 19:05:03 -0700% From: "Erik" <erik_g@abri.une.edu.au> 1 Subject: Re: looking for TIMES-ROMAN.XDPS$OUTLINE C Message-ID: <1123812303.332894.253350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   4 I had the same problem after upgrading to VMS 7.3.1.( My solution was to copy all the files in+ SYS$COMMON:[SYSFONT.XDPS.OUTLINE]  on a 7.2   system to the VMS 7.3.1 system.    Erik Ahlefeldt.    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Aug 2005 18:12:34 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)# Subject: making unzip.exe a command , Message-ID: <3m1ioiF14r5cmU1@individual.net>  @ Sorry to bother people here with something that is probably real7 simple, but I don't seem to be able to make UNZIP work.   > I ftped the binary.  When I type "run unzip.exe" it works so I know the image is not corrupt.  " The HP Webpage then says to enter:$     $ UNZIP :== $disk:[dir]UNZIP.EXE   I did.  It doesn't work.A I even tried putting it in my LOGIN.COM (as suggested by Hunter's 8 Webpage, I think) and then loging off and back on again. Still no luck.   So what am I doing wrong?    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:26:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: making unzip.exe a command , Message-ID: <42FB984F.87C4AAAD@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:$ > The HP Webpage then says to enter:& >     $ UNZIP :== $disk:[dir]UNZIP.EXE  C remember that you need to substitute "disk" with the disk name, and @ "dir" with the directory where the executable is located :-) :-)    F Also, if your disk is called $DISK2, you will need 2 dollar signs. TheB first dollar sign is consumed when VMS detectcst this is a foreignE command definition, and you need the second one as part of the $DISK2 
 disk name.  & UNZIP :== "$$DISK2:[unzipdir]UNZIP.EXE   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:29:03 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com' Subject: Re: making unzip.exe a command Q Message-ID: <OF73B0CF48.C9732995-ON8525705A.00652D4A-8525705A.006589F3@metso.com>   : bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu wrote on 08/11/2005 02:12:34 PM:  B > Sorry to bother people here with something that is probably real9 > simple, but I don't seem to be able to make UNZIP work.  > @ > I ftped the binary.  When I type "run unzip.exe" it works so I  > know the image is not corrupt. > $ > The HP Webpage then says to enter:& >     $ UNZIP :== $disk:[dir]UNZIP.EXE >  > I did.  It doesn't work.  < Well, you do know that "$disk" needs to be replaced with the? device-name of your actual disk, and "[dir]" with the bracketed 6 actual directory-name where you have stored UNZIP.EXE.  - and you do know that the command you enter is    $ UNZIP "-V" filename.zip - or something like that, and not $ RUN UNZIP ?   ; If so, then please post the exact commands and results, not  just "It doesn't work."   C > I even tried putting it in my LOGIN.COM (as suggested by Hunter's : > Webpage, I think) and then loging off and back on again. > Still no luck. >  > So what am I doing wrong?  >  > bill >  > --E > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three  wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Aug 2005 18:33:53 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)' Subject: Re: making unzip.exe a command , Message-ID: <3m1k0hF14p135U1@individual.net>  3 In article <nSj0uxuNQv1C@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ! 	briggs@encompasserve.org writes: Y > In article <3m1ioiF14r5cmU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: C >> Sorry to bother people here with something that is probably real : >> simple, but I don't seem to be able to make UNZIP work. >>  A >> I ftped the binary.  When I type "run unzip.exe" it works so I ! >> know the image is not corrupt.  >>  % >> The HP Webpage then says to enter: ' >>     $ UNZIP :== $disk:[dir]UNZIP.EXE  >>   >> I did.  It doesn't work.  > D > When you say that it doesn't work, what do you mean?  What did you' > do and what happened when you did it?  > @ > Cut and paste from the session where you did it would be nice. >   A OK, here goes.  But I really figured it was just something stupid > I missed and someone here would immediately point it out.  :-)  ; Here is what the webpage where I got the binary said to do:    ---------------------------    To use UNZIP, copy the appropriate image and the .ZIP file (be sure to use binary transfer mode if you are using FTP directly), then type the following commands:   %      $ UNZIP :== $disk:[dir]UNZIP.EXE       $ UNZIP application.ZIP   -----------------------    Here is exactly what I did.    -------------------- $ dir [utilities]   ! Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES]   < SAMBA-2_0_3-VMS0-BIN_VAX.ZIP;1          UNZIP.EXE;1            Total of 2 files. , $ unzip :== SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES]UNZIP.EXE $ unzip F %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling  \SYS$SYSROOT\ --------------------  ? And here is my proof that the image was not corrupted moving it 
 onto the VAX.    ---------------------------   " $ run sys$sysroot:[utilities]unzipM UnZip 5.50 of 17 February 2002, by Info-ZIP.  For more details see: unzip -v.   L Usage: unzip [-Z] [-opts[modifiers]] file[.zip] [list] [-x xlist] [-d exdir]N   Default action is to extract files in list, except those in xlist, to exdir;O   file[.zip] may be a wildcard.  "-Z" => ZipInfo mode (`unzip "-Z"' for usage). O => define foreign command symbol in LOGIN.COM:  $ unzip :== $dev:[dir]unzip.exe   J   -p  extract files to pipe, no messages     -l  list files (short format)M   -f  freshen existing files, create none    -t  test compressed archive data H   -u  update files, create if necessary      -z  display archive commentI   -x  exclude files that follow (in xlist)   -d  extract files into exdir   L modifiers:                                   -q  quiet mode (-qq => quieter)L   -n  never overwrite existing files         -a  auto-convert any text filesH   -o  overwrite files WITHOUT prompting      -aa treat ALL files as textN   -j  junk paths (do not make directories)   -v  be verbose/print version infoL  "-C" match filenames case-insensitively    "-L" make (some) names lowercaseK  "-X" restore owner/protection info         "-V" retain VMS version numbers J                                             "-M" pipe through "more" pager' Examples (see unzip.txt for more info): M   unzip data1 -x joe   => extract all files except joe from zipfile data1.zip K   unzip "-V" foo "Bar" => must quote uppercase options and filenames in VMS N   unzip -fo foo vms.c  => quietly replace existing vms.c if archive file newer $  -------------------------------      bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 11 Aug 2005 18:42:06 GMT$ From: "Doc." <Doc@openvms-rocks.com>' Subject: Re: making unzip.exe a command 1 Message-ID: <Xns96AFD1795A8FCDoc@212.100.160.126>   D On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:33:53 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)8 wrote message news:3m1k0hF14p135U1@individual.net . . .   . > $ unzip :== SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES]UNZIP.EXE  4 This should have a $ immediately before SYS$SYSROOT.  D The $ takes the place of "RUN " but allows you to pass command-line  parameters.      Doc. --  F OpenVMS:    Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.F             http://vmsbox.cjb.net          http://vmsbox.cjb.net/docs/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:40:44 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com' Subject: Re: making unzip.exe a command Q Message-ID: <OFC3EFD54C.A2954BD3-ON8525705A.00667D44-8525705A.00669B97@metso.com>   ) I wonder whose aswer will post first ;) .   : bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu wrote on 08/11/2005 02:33:53 PM:  5 > In article <nSj0uxuNQv1C@eisner.encompasserve.org>, % >    briggs@encompasserve.org writes: A > > In article <3m1ioiF14r5cmU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu  > (Bill Gunshannon) writes: E > >> Sorry to bother people here with something that is probably real < > >> simple, but I don't seem to be able to make UNZIP work. > >>C > >> I ftped the binary.  When I type "run unzip.exe" it works so I # > >> know the image is not corrupt.  > >>' > >> The HP Webpage then says to enter: ) > >>     $ UNZIP :== $disk:[dir]UNZIP.EXE  > >> > >> I did.  It doesn't work.  > > F > > When you say that it doesn't work, what do you mean?  What did you) > > do and what happened when you did it?  > > B > > Cut and paste from the session where you did it would be nice. > >  > C > OK, here goes.  But I really figured it was just something stupid @ > I missed and someone here would immediately point it out.  :-) > = > Here is what the webpage where I got the binary said to do:  >  > ---------------------------  > E > To use UNZIP, copy the appropriate image and the .ZIP file (be sure B > to use binary transfer mode if you are using FTP directly), then > type the following commands: > ' >      $ UNZIP :== $disk:[dir]UNZIP.EXE  >      $ UNZIP application.ZIP >  > -----------------------  >  > Here is exactly what I did.  >  > -------------------- > $ dir [utilities]  > # > Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES]  > 5 > SAMBA-2_0_3-VMS0-BIN_VAX.ZIP;1          UNZIP.EXE;1  >  > Total of 2 files. . > $ unzip :== SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES]UNZIP.EXE    You forgot the $ before the disk  - $ unzip :== $SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES]UNZIP.EXE   	 > $ unzip H > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling >  \SYS$SYSROOT\ > -------------------- > A > And here is my proof that the image was not corrupted moving it  > onto the VAX.  >  > ---------------------------  > $ > $ run sys$sysroot:[utilities]unzipK > UnZip 5.50 of 17 February 2002, by Info-ZIP.  For more details see: unzip  -v.  > G > Usage: unzip [-Z] [-opts[modifiers]] file[.zip] [list] [-x xlist] [-d  exdir]H >   Default action is to extract files in list, except those in xlist,to exdir;E >   file[.zip] may be a wildcard.  "-Z" => ZipInfo mode (`unzip "-Z"' 
 > for usage). C > => define foreign command symbol in LOGIN.COM:  $ unzip :== $dev:  > [dir]unzip.exe > D >   -p  extract files to pipe, no messages     -l  list files (short format) J >   -f  freshen existing files, create none    -t  test compressed archive dataJ >   -u  update files, create if necessary      -z  display archive commentK >   -x  exclude files that follow (in xlist)   -d  extract files into exdir  > E > modifiers:                                   -q  quiet mode (-qq =>  quieter)H >   -n  never overwrite existing files         -a  auto-convert any text files J >   -o  overwrite files WITHOUT prompting      -aa treat ALL files as textK >   -j  junk paths (do not make directories)   -v  be verbose/print version  infoD >  "-C" match filenames case-insensitively    "-L" make (some) names	 lowercase E >  "-X" restore owner/protection info         "-V" retain VMS version  numbers F >                                             "-M" pipe through "more" pager ) > Examples (see unzip.txt for more info): E >   unzip data1 -x joe   => extract all files except joe from zipfile 	 data1.zip I >   unzip "-V" foo "Bar" => must quote uppercase options and filenames in  VMS J >   unzip -fo foo vms.c  => quietly replace existing vms.c if archive file newer  > $ ! > -------------------------------  >  >  > bill >  > --E > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three  wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:40:25 -0400 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> ' Subject: Re: making unzip.exe a command 7 Message-ID: <8660a3a1050811114013354aac@mail.gmail.com>   F On 11 Aug 2005 18:33:53 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:5 > In article <nSj0uxuNQv1C@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ) >        briggs@encompasserve.org writes: L > > In article <3m1ioiF14r5cmU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gun= shannon) writes:E > >> Sorry to bother people here with something that is probably real < > >> simple, but I don't seem to be able to make UNZIP work. > >>C > >> I ftped the binary.  When I type "run unzip.exe" it works so I # > >> know the image is not corrupt.  > >>' > >> The HP Webpage then says to enter: - > >>     $ UNZIP :=3D=3D $disk:[dir]UNZIP.EXE  > >> > >> I did.  It doesn't work.  > > F > > When you say that it doesn't work, what do you mean?  What did you) > > do and what happened when you did it?  > > B > > Cut and paste from the session where you did it would be nice. > >  >=20C > OK, here goes.  But I really figured it was just something stupid @ > I missed and someone here would immediately point it out.  :-) >=20= > Here is what the webpage where I got the binary said to do:  >=20 > ---------------------------  >=20L > To use UNZIP, copy the appropriate image and the .ZIP file (be sure to us=L e binary transfer mode if you are using FTP directly), then type the follow=
 ing commands:  >=20* >     $ UNZIP :=3D=3D $disk:[dir]UNZIP.EXE >     $ UNZIP application.ZIP  >=20 > -----------------------  >=20 > Here is exactly what I did.  >=20 > -------------------- > $ dir [utilities]  >=20# > Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES]  >=205 > SAMBA-2_0_3-VMS0-BIN_VAX.ZIP;1          UNZIP.EXE;1  >=20 > Total of 2 files.   	 > $ unzip H > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling >  \SYS$SYSROOT\ > -------------------- >=20A > And here is my proof that the image was not corrupted moving it  > onto the VAX.  >=20 > ---------------------------  >=20$ > $ run sys$sysroot:[utilities]unzipL > UnZip 5.50 of 17 February 2002, by Info-ZIP.  For more details see: unzip=  -v. >=20L > Usage: unzip [-Z] [-opts[modifiers]] file[.zip] [list] [-x xlist] [-d exd= ir] L >  Default action is to extract files in list, except those in xlist, to ex= dir;L >  file[.zip] may be a wildcard.  "-Z" =3D> ZipInfo mode (`unzip "-Z"' for = usage). L > =3D> define foreign command symbol in LOGIN.COM:  $ unzip :=3D=3D $dev:[d= ir]unzip.exe >=20K >  -p  extract files to pipe, no messages     -l  list files (short format) L >  -f  freshen existing files, create none    -t  test compressed archive d= ata I >  -u  update files, create if necessary      -z  display archive comment J >  -x  exclude files that follow (in xlist)   -d  extract files into exdir >=20L > modifiers:                                   -q  quiet mode (-qq =3D> qui= eter) L >  -n  never overwrite existing files         -a  auto-convert any text fil= esI >  -o  overwrite files WITHOUT prompting      -aa treat ALL files as text L >  -j  junk paths (do not make directories)   -v  be verbose/print version = infoL >  "-C" match filenames case-insensitively    "-L" make (some) names lowerc= ase L >  "-X" restore owner/protection info         "-V" retain VMS version numbe= rsK >                                            "-M" pipe through "more" pager ) > Examples (see unzip.txt for more info): L >  unzip data1 -x joe   =3D> extract all files except joe from zipfile data= 1.zip L >  unzip "-V" foo "Bar" =3D> must quote uppercase options and filenames in = VMS L >  unzip -fo foo vms.c  =3D> quietly replace existing vms.c if archive file=  newer > $ ! > -------------------------------  >=20 >=20 > bill >=20 > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolve= s F > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h> >=20 That's it.  Missing a $   1 $ unzip :=3D=3D $SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES]UNZIP.EXE    --=20 C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Aug 2005 13:48:15 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org' Subject: Re: making unzip.exe a command 3 Message-ID: <sMx2nVJN+ELd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3m1k0hF14p135U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: 5 > In article <nSj0uxuNQv1C@eisner.encompasserve.org>, # > 	briggs@encompasserve.org writes: Z >> In article <3m1ioiF14r5cmU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:D >>> Sorry to bother people here with something that is probably real; >>> simple, but I don't seem to be able to make UNZIP work.  >>> B >>> I ftped the binary.  When I type "run unzip.exe" it works so I" >>> know the image is not corrupt. >>> & >>> The HP Webpage then says to enter:( >>>     $ UNZIP :== $disk:[dir]UNZIP.EXE >>>  >>> I did.  It doesn't work. >>  E >> When you say that it doesn't work, what do you mean?  What did you ( >> do and what happened when you did it? >>  A >> Cut and paste from the session where you did it would be nice.  >>   > C > OK, here goes.  But I really figured it was just something stupid @ > I missed and someone here would immediately point it out.  :-) > = > Here is what the webpage where I got the binary said to do:  >  > ---------------------------  >  > To use UNZIP, copy the appropriate image and the .ZIP file (be sure to use binary transfer mode if you are using FTP directly), then type the following commands:  > ' >      $ UNZIP :== $disk:[dir]UNZIP.EXE  >      $ UNZIP application.ZIP >  > -----------------------  >  > Here is exactly what I did.  >  > -------------------- > $ dir [utilities]  > # > Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES]  > > > SAMBA-2_0_3-VMS0-BIN_VAX.ZIP;1          UNZIP.EXE;1          >  > Total of 2 files. . > $ unzip :== SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES]UNZIP.EXE               ^ # You missed the leading dollar sign.   = The "$disk" was not intended as a pseudo-Unix shell variable, 9 it's really a dollar sign and then the name of your disk.   	 > $ unzip H > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling >  \SYS$SYSROOT\  A And this diagnostic makes it clear that the $ is missing and that ? the SYS$SYSROOT is being taken as an aliased command instead of   the disk in a "foreign command".   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:37:01 -0400 + From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net> ' Subject: Re: making unzip.exe a command < Message-ID: <6.2.5.2.2.20050811143447.05e901b8@patmedia.net>  7 At 02:33 PM 8/11/2005, Bill Gunshannon wrote (in part): ' >      $ UNZIP :== $disk:[dir]UNZIP.EXE  >      $ UNZIP application.ZIP >  >----------------------- >  >Here is exactly what I did. >  >--------------------  >$ dir [utilities] > " >Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES] > 4 >SAMBA-2_0_3-VMS0-BIN_VAX.ZIP;1          UNZIP.EXE;1 >  >Total of 2 files.- >$ unzip :== SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES]UNZIP.EXE  >$ unzipG >%DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling  >  \SYS$SYSROOT\  A You forgot to put the dollar sign ($) before the disk name. That  ' tells VMS that it is a foriegn command.   - $ unzip :== $SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES]UNZIP.EXE    Do that and it should work.    Ken    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Aug 2005 18:48:41 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)' Subject: Re: making unzip.exe a command , Message-ID: <3m1ks9F14p135U2@individual.net>  1 In article <Xns96AFD1795A8FCDoc@212.100.160.126>, ' 	"Doc." <Doc@openvms-rocks.com> writes: F > On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:33:53 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon): > wrote message news:3m1k0hF14p135U1@individual.net . . .  > / >> $ unzip :== SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES]UNZIP.EXE  > 6 > This should have a $ immediately before SYS$SYSROOT. > F > The $ takes the place of "RUN " but allows you to pass command-line 
 > parameters.  >   < Thank you.  That did it.  I told you it was something really> stupid on my part.  I do have to admit that I would never haveA interpreted the instructions that way.  All my "disks" begin with @ a "$" so I would never have assumed that they wanted another one
 there too.  @ Thanks once again for the help.  Now, if I can get SAMBA runningB I should have everything the students will need for this semester.C Hmmm...  Except a license.  I think the Edu Program license expires & right before the semester begins.  :-(   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:59:28 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ' Subject: Re: making unzip.exe a command 0 Message-ID: <11fn7oo2jrliu34@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 > In article <nSj0uxuNQv1C@eisner.encompasserve.org>, # > 	briggs@encompasserve.org writes:  > Y >>In article <3m1ioiF14r5cmU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >>C >>>Sorry to bother people here with something that is probably real : >>>simple, but I don't seem to be able to make UNZIP work. >>> A >>>I ftped the binary.  When I type "run unzip.exe" it works so I ! >>>know the image is not corrupt.  >>> % >>>The HP Webpage then says to enter: ' >>>    $ UNZIP :== $disk:[dir]UNZIP.EXE  >>>  >>>I did.  It doesn't work.  >>D >>When you say that it doesn't work, what do you mean?  What did you' >>do and what happened when you did it?  >>@ >>Cut and paste from the session where you did it would be nice. >> >  > C > OK, here goes.  But I really figured it was just something stupid @ > I missed and someone here would immediately point it out.  :-) > = > Here is what the webpage where I got the binary said to do:  >  > ---------------------------  >  > To use UNZIP, copy the appropriate image and the .ZIP file (be sure to use binary transfer mode if you are using FTP directly), then type the following commands:  > ' >      $ UNZIP :== $disk:[dir]UNZIP.EXE  >      $ UNZIP application.ZIP >  > -----------------------  >  > Here is exactly what I did.  >  > -------------------- > $ dir [utilities]  > # > Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES]  > > > SAMBA-2_0_3-VMS0-BIN_VAX.ZIP;1          UNZIP.EXE;1          >  > Total of 2 files. . > $ unzip :== SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES]UNZIP.EXE	 > $ unzip H > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling >  \SYS$SYSROOT\ > -------------------- > A > And here is my proof that the image was not corrupted moving it  > onto the VAX.  >  > ---------------------------  > $ > $ run sys$sysroot:[utilities]unzipO > UnZip 5.50 of 17 February 2002, by Info-ZIP.  For more details see: unzip -v.  > N > Usage: unzip [-Z] [-opts[modifiers]] file[.zip] [list] [-x xlist] [-d exdir]P >   Default action is to extract files in list, except those in xlist, to exdir;Q >   file[.zip] may be a wildcard.  "-Z" => ZipInfo mode (`unzip "-Z"' for usage). Q > => define foreign command symbol in LOGIN.COM:  $ unzip :== $dev:[dir]unzip.exe  > L >   -p  extract files to pipe, no messages     -l  list files (short format)O >   -f  freshen existing files, create none    -t  test compressed archive data J >   -u  update files, create if necessary      -z  display archive commentK >   -x  exclude files that follow (in xlist)   -d  extract files into exdir  > N > modifiers:                                   -q  quiet mode (-qq => quieter)N >   -n  never overwrite existing files         -a  auto-convert any text filesJ >   -o  overwrite files WITHOUT prompting      -aa treat ALL files as textP >   -j  junk paths (do not make directories)   -v  be verbose/print version infoN >  "-C" match filenames case-insensitively    "-L" make (some) names lowercaseM >  "-X" restore owner/protection info         "-V" retain VMS version numbers L >                                             "-M" pipe through "more" pager) > Examples (see unzip.txt for more info): O >   unzip data1 -x joe   => extract all files except joe from zipfile data1.zip M >   unzip "-V" foo "Bar" => must quote uppercase options and filenames in VMS P >   unzip -fo foo vms.c  => quietly replace existing vms.c if archive file newer > $ ! > -------------------------------  >  >  > bill >    You forgot the '$' sign.  E This implies the RUN command.  Without it, it's just like typing the  E command at the '$' prompt (2 totally seperate things) and DCL has no  F idea what you're trying to do.  It tells you that you used an unknown  command.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:06:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: making unzip.exe a command , Message-ID: <42FBA19D.94D7B544@teksavvy.com>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: % > You missed the leading dollar sign.   ' Everyone would want more dollar signs !    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Aug 2005 16:06:36 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: making unzip.exe a command 3 Message-ID: <oK4Kw7$cwNmf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3m1ioiF14r5cmU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: B > Sorry to bother people here with something that is probably real9 > simple, but I don't seem to be able to make UNZIP work.  > @ > I ftped the binary.  When I type "run unzip.exe" it works so I  > know the image is not corrupt. > $ > The HP Webpage then says to enter:& >     $ UNZIP :== $disk:[dir]UNZIP.EXE >  > I did.  It doesn't work.      Define "doesn't work."    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:45:49 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ' Subject: Re: making unzip.exe a command , Message-ID: <42FBC70D.7060307@tsoft-inc.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:3 > In article <Xns96AFD1795A8FCDoc@212.100.160.126>, ) > 	"Doc." <Doc@openvms-rocks.com> writes:  > F >>On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:33:53 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon): >>wrote message news:3m1k0hF14p135U1@individual.net . . .  >> >>/ >>>$ unzip :== SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES]UNZIP.EXE  >>6 >>This should have a $ immediately before SYS$SYSROOT. >>F >>The $ takes the place of "RUN " but allows you to pass command-line 
 >>parameters.  >> >  > > > Thank you.  That did it.  I told you it was something really@ > stupid on my part.  I do have to admit that I would never haveC > interpreted the instructions that way.  All my "disks" begin with B > a "$" so I would never have assumed that they wanted another one > there too. > B > Thanks once again for the help.  Now, if I can get SAMBA runningD > I should have everything the students will need for this semester.E > Hmmm...  Except a license.  I think the Edu Program license expires ( > right before the semester begins.  :-( >  > bill >    Contact Sue   I I believe she just posted some info on hobbyist licenses, which will now  F include student licenses.  I didn't read the details.  Bet she'll get I you fixed up and ready to go.  It might also help her see what your (the  E royal, or should I say the educational, your) needs are.  Ask for an   itanic while you're at it.  :-)    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Aug 2005 23:21:44 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)' Subject: Re: making unzip.exe a command , Message-ID: <3m24s8F14e2t8U1@individual.net>  , In article <42FBC70D.7060307@tsoft-inc.com>,* 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:4 >> In article <Xns96AFD1795A8FCDoc@212.100.160.126>,* >> 	"Doc." <Doc@openvms-rocks.com> writes: >>  G >>>On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:33:53 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) ; >>>wrote message news:3m1k0hF14p135U1@individual.net . . .   >>>  >>> 0 >>>>$ unzip :== SYS$SYSROOT:[UTILITIES]UNZIP.EXE >>> 7 >>>This should have a $ immediately before SYS$SYSROOT.  >>> G >>>The $ takes the place of "RUN " but allows you to pass command-line   >>>parameters. >>>  >>   >>  ? >> Thank you.  That did it.  I told you it was something really A >> stupid on my part.  I do have to admit that I would never have D >> interpreted the instructions that way.  All my "disks" begin withC >> a "$" so I would never have assumed that they wanted another one 
 >> there too.  >>  C >> Thanks once again for the help.  Now, if I can get SAMBA running E >> I should have everything the students will need for this semester. F >> Hmmm...  Except a license.  I think the Edu Program license expires) >> right before the semester begins.  :-(  >>   >> bill  >>   > 
 > Contact Sue  > K > I believe she just posted some info on hobbyist licenses, which will now  H > include student licenses.  I didn't read the details.  Bet she'll get   > you fixed up and ready to go.   D Don't need help, just the new license.  I am fairly certain that allF edu licenses expire in August every year.  I guess it is done in orderA to tie the licenses to school terms but it can be tough when they 1 expire just as the students are starting classes.   K >                                It might also help her see what your (the  ; > royal, or should I say the educational, your) needs are.    F I have had long discussions with the various edu program reps.  I haveF come to accept what we got and adapt it to my students needs.  No needG to rehash old information.  I am sure Sue has seen the discussions that " went on here every 6 months or so.  G >                                                           Ask for an  ! > itanic while you're at it.  :-)     Even I am not optomistic.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 11 Aug 2005 23:23:48 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)' Subject: Re: making unzip.exe a command , Message-ID: <3m2504F14e2t8U2@individual.net>  3 In article <oK4Kw7$cwNmf@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:Y > In article <3m1ioiF14r5cmU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: C >> Sorry to bother people here with something that is probably real : >> simple, but I don't seem to be able to make UNZIP work. >>  A >> I ftped the binary.  When I type "run unzip.exe" it works so I ! >> know the image is not corrupt.  >>  % >> The HP Webpage then says to enter: ' >>     $ UNZIP :== $disk:[dir]UNZIP.EXE  >>   >> I did.  It doesn't work.  >  >    Define "doesn't work."  >   D All taken care of.  It was something simple (and stupid on my part).6 Amazing how much trouble one little "$" can cause. :-)  5 Once again, many thanks to everyone who offered help.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:13:43 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> C Subject: Re: Mark Hurd to be keynote speaker at HP Technology Forum , Message-ID: <42FB9553.5441B358@teksavvy.com>  C re: Guy who kept employees on payroll while rebuilding factory that  burned down.    H When you are the onwer of the company, you are the sole sharteholder and can make such decisions.  D When you are just a hired drone with the title of CEO, you report to@ shreholders and have a duty to maximise their investment return.    G It can be done, but requires far more leadership and skills that if you > are the sole owner because you need to be able to convince theG shareholders that keeping the staff on payroll will end up costing less E than re-hiring and retraining new ones and will also greatly increase F productivity since the employees would greatly respect the company etc etc etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:33:48 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.comC Subject: Re: Mark Hurd to be keynote speaker at HP Technology Forum Q Message-ID: <OF84DEAEB1.E64547BE-ON8525705A.0065B9AB-8525705A.0065F8F8@metso.com>   H JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote on 08/11/2005 02:13:43 PM:  E > re: Guy who kept employees on payroll while rebuilding factory that  > burned down. >  > J > When you are the onwer of the company, you are the sole sharteholder and > can make such decisions. > F > When you are just a hired drone with the title of CEO, you report toB > shreholders and have a duty to maximise their investment return. >  > I > It can be done, but requires far more leadership and skills that if you @ > are the sole owner because you need to be able to convince theI > shareholders that keeping the staff on payroll will end up costing less G > than re-hiring and retraining new ones and will also greatly increase H > productivity since the employees would greatly respect the company etc
 > etc etc.   Otherwise "Let them eat cake!"  G As H. L. Menchen never quite said:  For every problem there is a simple " solution that probably won't work.  F It's easy in the abstract, but not in life (Life is what happens while you are waxing philosphical.).   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Aug 2005 19:30:45 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>% Subject: Memory Reclamation Questions B Message-ID: <1123813845.852112.86090@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  G Just some curiosity questions. I'm not trying to solve some performance  problem.  @ With proactive memory reclamation turned on, periodically wakingF processes are trimmed by 25% if they are inactive 99% of the time in aE 30 sec. interval. OK. What is the limit for how small the working set F be reduced by repeated trimmings (assuming the free list remains belowE 2*FREEGOAL)? I've seen values well below SWPOUTPGCNT (500) on some of B my systems. Is the final limit MINWSCNT or AWSMIN? Something else?  C Also, with proactive memory reclamation, long waiting processes are E trimmed and/or swapped out. For both this and the periodically waking E processes, pages are removed from the working set but the working set G limit is not reduced. Now my question is, is the working set limit also E left alone for regular old-fashioned swapper trimming, the kind where D memory drops below FREELIM? IOW: If the following hold: memory dropsG below FREELIM, proactive mem. reclamation is turned on -- are processes G trimmed but their working set LIMITS left alone, or are they left alone G only for trimming when the free list is less than 2*FREEGOAL but is not ( recovering from being less than FREELIM?     Thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:53:11 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: Moving System Disk 0 Message-ID: <11fn7cu9lvrfnba@corp.supernews.com>  ! njklostermann@cbegroup.com wrote: B > We are moving from an ES40 with a local system disk and many SANG > attached disks to a GS80 with a local system disk that will attach to I > the same SAN disks the ES40 currently attaches to, after the migration. I >  Both are running VMS 7.3-2.  What is the preferred method of migrating $ > the system disk to the new server?  G Were it me, and if it were physically possible, I'd pull the disk from  H the ES40 and plug it into the GS80.  Don't know if compatibility exists.  - An IMAGE backup prior to anything is prudent.   " >  Should I create an image of the: > ES40 system disk and simply restore it to the GS80 disk?  ? This would be the best method.  An Autogen afterwards would be   appropriate.  Very appropriate.   G Note, my experience is not with the larger systems.  As far as I know,  I VMS/Alpha is VMS/Alpha, and there are no special pieces for specific HW.     I could be very wrong.   >  What is theG > best method of doing this considering I have intermediate VMS skills?    That makes it more of a task.   F If you restore a copy of the disk from the ES40 to the GS80, you have 1 nothing to lose.  You still have the ES40 intact.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:26:40 -0400 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Moving System Disk 7 Message-ID: <8660a3a105081112262851c46b@mail.gmail.com>   9 On 11 Aug 2005 09:56:51 -0700, njklostermann@cbegroup.com # <njklostermann@cbegroup.com> wrote: B > We are moving from an ES40 with a local system disk and many SANG > attached disks to a GS80 with a local system disk that will attach to I > the same SAN disks the ES40 currently attaches to, after the migration. I >  Both are running VMS 7.3-2.  What is the preferred method of migrating E > the system disk to the new server?  Should I create an image of the G > ES40 system disk and simply restore it to the GS80 disk?  What is the G > best method of doing this considering I have intermediate VMS skills?  >=20
 > Thanks - >=20 >=20  B I would imagine that you're going to have licensing issues, as theB GS80 is probably going to require heftier licenses than are on the ES40.   ! Do the following on both systems:    SHOW LICENSE/CHARGE    and=20   SHOW LICENSE/USAGE  A The first one shows you what's required by the system, the second ( shows what's actually loaded and in use.   WWWebb   --=20 C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Aug 2005 13:32:18 -0700$ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> Subject: Re: Moving System Disk C Message-ID: <1123792338.545419.293180@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   B > We are moving from an ES40 with a local system disk and many SANG > attached disks to a GS80 with a local system disk that will attach to I > the same SAN disks the ES40 currently attaches to, after the migration. I >  Both are running VMS 7.3-2.  What is the preferred method of migrating $ > the system disk to the new server?  F The first question is why not boot off the SAN?  It works like a charmD - I just finished migrating my production cluster from CI storage toA SAN storage and it's not as hard as you might think if you have a : volume shadowing license (or can get a temporary license).  G 1.  Create a new LUN on the SAN for your system disk.  Make it slightly # bigger than the current local disk. G 2.  Shadow the system disk - dissimilar sizes are perfectly valid these F days.  If you want to expand the volume to use the full size, you needC to be able to mount it privately though.  In my situation, I didn't F worry about - my system disk was 4.3GB and I went to 10GB.  I'll worryF about the extra space down the road but for now, I wanted to snag that
 SAN space. 3.  Bust off the local member.B 4.  Boot the GS80 off the SAN disk (I suggest that the ES40 not beD running when you do this or hell might break loose with your network and cluster)  F If you want to go back to booting off a local disk, you can still bootE the GS80 off the SAN and then use volume shadowing to migrate it back = to local storage using the same steps as you did on the ES40.    Other options that also work: F - an image backup and restore will work nicely.  You don't have issuesE with dissimilar hardware like you do on other platforms and I've done  this over the years ; - physically moving the drive has worked for me in the past   	    .../Ed    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:53:25 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: Moving System Disk 0 Message-ID: <11fnhuro2gir2c0@corp.supernews.com>   Ed Wilts wrote: B >>We are moving from an ES40 with a local system disk and many SANG >>attached disks to a GS80 with a local system disk that will attach to I >>the same SAN disks the ES40 currently attaches to, after the migration. I >> Both are running VMS 7.3-2.  What is the preferred method of migrating $ >>the system disk to the new server? >  > H > The first question is why not boot off the SAN?  It works like a charmF > - I just finished migrating my production cluster from CI storage toC > SAN storage and it's not as hard as you might think if you have a < > volume shadowing license (or can get a temporary license).  B What advantages do you see in putting your system disk on the SAN?  F I'd want the capability of bringing up my VMS system without the SAN, / should the SAN not be available for any reason.   G What good would it be without the applications?  Don't know.  I'd just   want the capability.  H As you mentioned, a local disk can also be set up as a alternate system  disk.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Aug 2005 15:06:27 -0700$ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> Subject: Re: Moving System Disk C Message-ID: <1123797987.051638.307750@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   D > What advantages do you see in putting your system disk on the SAN?  A None of my systems even have storage shelves - it's less parts to E maintain.  I have to have the SAN anyway for my data and applications F so having the system up on the system disk won't do me any good exceptG for troubleshooting.  For an ES40 like the original poster had, to boot D off a local disk, you have to buy a SCSI card (which also requires aG slot), a BA35x, plus one or preferably two disks.  To boot off the SAN, > you simply go to the console, run wwidmgr, init, set your bootG parameters, and you're done - no extra hardware at all and you can boot D in a few minutes.  Since you typically have dual HBAs, you have more* redundancy SAN booting than local booting.  F I don't even bother with local page and swap disks any more - it's all
 SAN-based.  G > I'd want the capability of bringing up my VMS system without the SAN, 1 > should the SAN not be available for any reason.   F All of my drives are also mirrored between EVA frames.  I can't easilyF lose the SAN.  Dual HBAs to separate switches.  Losing "the SAN" wouldC mean two EVA frames and both HBAs or both switches.  I won't say it ; can't happen, but it would be a major "oh sh*it" if it did.   	    .../Ed    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:08:06 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: Moving System Disk R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6B1D7A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----. > From: Ed Wilts [mailto:ewilts@ewilts.org]=20 > Sent: August 11, 2005 6:06 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ! > Subject: Re: Moving System Disk  >=20F > > What advantages do you see in putting your system disk on the SAN? >=20C > None of my systems even have storage shelves - it's less parts to G > maintain.  I have to have the SAN anyway for my data and applications H > so having the system up on the system disk won't do me any good except? > for troubleshooting.  For an ES40 like the original poster=20  > had, to bootF > off a local disk, you have to buy a SCSI card (which also requires a? > slot), a BA35x, plus one or preferably two disks.  To boot=20  > off the SAN,@ > you simply go to the console, run wwidmgr, init, set your boot? > parameters, and you're done - no extra hardware at all and=20  > you can bootF > in a few minutes.  Since you typically have dual HBAs, you have more, > redundancy SAN booting than local booting. >=20H > I don't even bother with local page and swap disks any more - it's all > SAN-based. >=20; > > I'd want the capability of bringing up my VMS system=20  > without the SAN,3 > > should the SAN not be available for any reason.  >=20H > All of my drives are also mirrored between EVA frames.  I can't easilyH > lose the SAN.  Dual HBAs to separate switches.  Losing "the SAN" wouldE > mean two EVA frames and both HBAs or both switches.  I won't say it = > can't happen, but it would be a major "oh sh*it" if it did.  >=20 >    .../Ed  >=20    G Well, there are pro's and con's with every approach. While I agree with E you on putting the system disk on the SAN (multiple paths to it means G higher availability than single local controller), I tend to prefer not H using HBVS on the system disk. I usually recommend setting up the system0 disk as a HW RAID device of at least 2 disks.=20  H I just prefer not having to make any additional sysgen parameter changes$ - keep things as simple as possible.  F For larger clusters, having two separate system disks (both min 2 RAID> disks) with common system files on a shared disk, provides theA capability to do rolling OS upgrades. With the right planning, OS @ upgrades can be done in an OpenVMS cluster with zero application availability impact.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:38:05 -0400 + From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net>  Subject: RE: Moving System Disk < Message-ID: <6.2.5.2.2.20050811232144.03076008@patmedia.net>  ) At 11:08 PM 8/11/2005, Main, Kerry wrote:   H >Well, there are pro's and con's with every approach. While I agree withF >you on putting the system disk on the SAN (multiple paths to it meansH >higher availability than single local controller), I tend to prefer notI >using HBVS on the system disk. I usually recommend setting up the system . >disk as a HW RAID device of at least 2 disks.  F Using an EVA is different. All logical drives are spread out over all B the physical drives in either the EVA or Group. When you set up a F logical drive, you tell it whether you want it to be raid 0, 1, or 5. N That determines how much extra space is needed to configure the logical drive.  F At my most recently ended position, all of the system drives were two D member shadowsets, with each member on a different EVA. In fact all ? drives, except for the DOSD drives, were in shadowsets. Most 2  A member, but some 1 member.   Having all the drives in shadowsets  F helps when you need to move all of them off of one EVA when it has to " be shutdown for firmware upgrades.  E Many times I saw a physical disk fail and be replaced with no impact  M on any of the logical disks. The EVA software just "did the right thing". :-)   = You do have to watch out for path balancing and read costs...    Ken : (currently unemployed VMS System Manager in the NYC area)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:19:39 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> . Subject: OpenVMS Integrity V8.2-1 New FeaturesR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6B1D50@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   All,  D The list might be interested in new VMS V8.2-1 Integrity release new	 features: > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/features_benefits_chart.html   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:38:12 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrity V8.2-1 New FeaturesQ Message-ID: <OFCF07B52D.D0EAF6FF-ON8525705A.00665451-8525705A.00666061@metso.com>   B "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote on 08/11/2005 02:19:39 PM:   > All, > F > The list might be interested in new VMS V8.2-1 Integrity release new > features: @ > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/features_benefits_chart.html   Is this available as a PDF?    > 	 > Regards  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax: 613-591-4477  > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT)  > 6 > OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:14:42 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 2 Subject: RE: OpenVMS Integrity V8.2-1 New FeaturesR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6B1D67@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----A > From: norm.raphael@metso.com [mailto:norm.raphael@metso.com]=20  > Sent: August 11, 2005 2:38 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 4 > Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrity V8.2-1 New Features >=20 >=20 >=20D > "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote on 08/11/2005 02:19:39 PM: >=20 > > All, > > H > > The list might be interested in new VMS V8.2-1 Integrity release new
 > > features: B > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/features_benefits_chart.html >=20 > Is this available as a PDF?  >=20  F The V8.2-1 doc's (including new features) should be available shortly.) I'll see if I can get an update on those.    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:04:19 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: Re: Problem printing binary image files. , Message-ID: <42FB931F.B7FD29F3@teksavvy.com>   Erik wrote: F > print to an Epson DFX-5000 dot matrix (either on the DS10's parallel > port -( > LRA0:, or via the LPD print symbiont).    A > Record format:      Undefined, maximum 0 bytes, longest 0 bytes   9 > VMS appears not to like data in chunks larger than 32K.      Try   4 SET FILE mumble.dat /ATTR=(RFM:FIX,LRL=512,RAT=NONE)  G This creates fixed length records of 512 bytes and no record separator. H While creating files with "undefined" is the philosophically correct wayC to create binary content, not many VMS applications actually handle H undefined very well because they ask for a record and RMS then complainsI about record being bigger than 32K or whatever buffer quota you may have.   N You may wish to also provide what print symbiont you are using on ther queues.    H Also, if you have a 50k file, do only the first 32k print ? Or does some4 of the data beyond the 32k get sent to the printer ?   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Aug 2005 17:37:48 -0700% From: "Erik" <erik_g@abri.une.edu.au> 1 Subject: Re: Problem printing binary image files. C Message-ID: <1123807068.176768.297990@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   7 Thanks for the suggestions. I have had partial success.   6 >set up a telnet queue for the device with a "passall"5 the telnet symboint is not an option because there is : not network connection to this printer (LPD is via another4 computer). I have tried "passall" on the LRA0: queue without success.  5 >copying the file to the device eg. copy <file> LRA0: - Dies with SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA,. After increasing 3 process quotas (BIOLM is the critical one I think), - AND doing a "SET FILE/ATTR=(RFM:FIX,LRL:512)" 4 a COPY to LRA0, does in fact  print properly. I will3 continue experimenting, with the larger files which 1 combine text and multiple images. We would really 6 like the print symbiont to be able to do this, because9 this is a busy printer doing several different stationery 0 types,  and the standard print queuing mechanism1 should be able to do this, and because we need to  print via LPD.  6 >SET FILE mumble.dat >/ATTR=(RFM:FIX,LRL=512,RAT=NONE)C  This causes the file not not print properly, presumably because of E extra line feeds or carriage returns introduced by the print symbiont @ at the end of each 512 bytes. I'm using either the default print, symbiont (PRTSMB) or the LPD print symbiont.  p >Also, if you have a 50k file, do only the first 32k print ? >does data beyond the 32k get sent to the printer ?4 Data beyond 32K does get sent to the printer but the- image is completely mangled  past that point.    Thanks,  Erik.    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Aug 2005 18:22:07 -0700 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au1 Subject: Re: Problem printing binary image files. C Message-ID: <1123809727.885951.263180@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Erik wrote: 9 > Thanks for the suggestions. I have had partial success.  > 8 > >set up a telnet queue for the device with a "passall"7 > the telnet symboint is not an option because there is < > not network connection to this printer (LPD is via another > computer).+ You can specify a remote host for telnetsym  /ON="hostname:port" 7 You may also want to investigate using a "relay queue", 5 the symbiont keeps a copy of the output file on disk, - you could see if printing this to LRA0: works  Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:47:54 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: Re: Problem printing binary image files. , Message-ID: <42FBFFC8.E6AB5FC2@teksavvy.com>   Erik wrote: 8 > >SET FILE mumble.dat >/ATTR=(RFM:FIX,LRL=512,RAT=NONE)E >  This causes the file not not print properly, presumably because of G > extra line feeds or carriage returns introduced by the print symbiont    Have you tried PRINT/PASSALL ?    @ Also, you can try SET FILE mumble.dat /ATTR=(RFM:STMLF,RAT=NONE)   Another one to try RFM=STM   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:16:28 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> Subject: Re: Telnet over VPN+ Message-ID: <42FBA40D.3030403@netscape.net>    [reply posted and emailed]   David Gray wrote:  > Hi,  > G > The average time taken for a ping is about 150ms but some of them are H > coming back at 500 or even 2000ms, more often than not it's in the mid > 100s.   K The above figures are perfectly reasonable. The odd 2000ms isn't a problem.   H > Out of 224 pings today there have been; 166 with 0% loss, 1 with 50% & > 57 with 100%.   H Were these 224 ping sessions from 224 different PCs at the same time or G 224 sets of pings from the same PC or group of PCs at different times?  F Were the 57 at 100% loss all at the same times or was a parallel ping I from another PC still giving 0% loss? Clearly on these 57 with 100% loss  H you have no link at all for an extended time period. At all other times D everything is perfectly ok. You can email me the log with some more  details if you want.   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Aug 2005 20:06:39 GMT$ From: "Doc." <Doc@openvms-rocks.com> Subject: Re: Telnet over VPN1 Message-ID: <Xns96AFDFCEBBA65Doc@212.100.160.126>   H On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:56:23 GMT, David Gray <police@spamcop.net> wrote = message news:rlojf154d7b6685gaq6vs542adba5i4dqs@4ax.com . . .    > Hi,  > E > We have a small sub office in Connecticut which is connected to our F > LAN in the UK using business DSL down a secure VPN tunnel.  Three orG > four times a day the users in CT who are connecting using SmarTerm to D > our VMS (7.3-2) system get disconnected and have to log back in.    L Is the DSL connection at either end being dropped and reconnected?  This is M usually more of a problem on domestic DSL services than commercial ones, but  J if you're getting all the telnet connections dropped at the same time I'd M look at the network connection and see if you can maintain a connection to a  K third site from both locations.  Depending on which site gets disconnected  J at the same time as your telnet connections you know which telco to roast.     Doc. --  F OpenVMS:    Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.F             http://vmsbox.cjb.net          http://vmsbox.cjb.net/docs/   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.447 ************************