1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 13 Aug 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 450       Contents:% Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save Set % Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save Set % Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save Set  Re: Image restore fails  Re: Moving System Disk Re: SAMBA for VMS  Re: SAMBA for VMS  Re: SAMBA for VMS  Re: SAMBA for VMS  Re: SAMBA for VMS  Re: SAMBA for VMS  Re: SAMBA for VMS  Re: SAMBA for VMS  Re: SAMBA for VMS  Re: SAMBA for VMS  Re: SAMBA for VMS  Re: SAMBA for VMS  Re: SAMBA for VMS ! Re: Turning up an Ethernet & tftp   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 07:42:12 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>. Subject: Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save Set/ Message-ID: <00A48362.FAEC9B01.1@tachysoft.com>   3 >NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:58:51 -0500 , >Message-ID: <42FD620F.E7F791D7@comcast.net>& >Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:59:27 -05003 >From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> & >Reply-To: djesysno@spam.earthlink.net >Organization: DJE Systems >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms/ >Subject: Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save Set   	 >Z wrote:  >>   >> David J Dachtera wrote:
 >> >>>You can  >> >>>BACKUP/LIST tape_device:*  >>  C >> >>If you're going to use BACKUP, let VMS mount the tape for you.  >>  5 >> > Ooohhh... Careful there! Not always a good idea.  >>   >> When isn't it a good idea?  > % >See the other posts in this thread,    N Some of which were irrelevant for most of us, referring to ancient versions of@ vms and unreliable tape drives that hardly anyone uses any more.  % >or just consider circumstances where G >you may want to start/resume BACKUP operations from the tape's current G >position, or any other circumstance where knowing the current state of @ >the tape is important, as opposed to assuming what it MIGHT be. >   N There's no doubt what it will be if backup does the mount: at the beginning ofN the tape.  If you say /rewind on the backup it will stay there.  If you don't,O backup will go to the end of the tape to write the saveset.  Doesn't that count ) as knowing the current state of the tape?   O Now if you want to write someplace *other* than the beginning or the end of the K tape (or if the end of the tape is in an inconsitent state, i.e. the ending O tapemarks are missing because you aborted the backup in midstream or the system O crashed), then yes, you have to do a manual mount and manipulate the tape drive " before issuing the backup command.  K If I want to start at the beginning of the tape and write several savesets:    <tape is not mounted> 
 backup/rewind  backup backup backup backup backup dismount  9 If I want append several savesets to the end of the tape:    <tape is not mounted>  backup backup backup backup backup backup dismount  M If I want to write several savesets starting at an arbitrary position on the  G tape (can't think of a reason for this other than the end of tape being : trashed; I would just start a new tape in that situation):   <tape is not mounted>  mount H set magtape/skip:file=<start_pos>  (where start_pos is savesets times 3) backup backup backup backup backup backup dismountO =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Jake Blues:"You traded the Caddy for a microphone? ...... Okay, I can buy that."   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2005 08:06:34 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>. Subject: Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save SetC Message-ID: <1123945594.078293.173920@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Wayne Sewell wrote: 5 > >NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:58:51 -0500 . > >Message-ID: <42FD620F.E7F791D7@comcast.net>( > >Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:59:27 -05005 > >From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> ( > >Reply-To: djesysno@spam.earthlink.net > >Organization: DJE Systems > >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms1 > >Subject: Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save Set  >  > >Z wrote:  > >> > >> David J Dachtera wrote: > >> >>>You can ! > >> >>>BACKUP/LIST tape_device:*  > >>E > >> >>If you're going to use BACKUP, let VMS mount the tape for you.  > >>7 > >> > Ooohhh... Careful there! Not always a good idea.  > >> > >> When isn't it a good idea?  > > & > >See the other posts in this thread, > P > Some of which were irrelevant for most of us, referring to ancient versions ofB > vms and unreliable tape drives that hardly anyone uses any more.    B Sir, please. Z just asked, if the >'s didn't get mangled, right upF there, look a few lines up and you'll see that Z wrote, "When isn't it
 a good idea?"   D Whether that's relevant for "most of us" is irrelevant. :-) He askedC when it's not a good idea, and David referred to my answers to said ? question. He didn't ask "When is this relevant to most of us?".   E Frankly, I find it quite interesting that non-first-volumes of a save D set couldn't be mounted by BACKUP with my two-jobs-ago VAX. Just whyE did BACKUP have this trouble? The only difference is that the tape is D either the first volume or not. Why should that make any difference?; Does BACKUP go, "What, a second volume, and *I* mounted it? E Auuuuuuuuugggghhhhh!" as oppposed to "What, a second volume, oh, it's E okay, MOUNT mounted the tape. I'll just deal with it." :-) What could  cause this bizzare problem?    [...]  > N > If I want to write several savesets starting at an arbitrary position on theI > tape (can't think of a reason for this other than the end of tape being < > trashed; I would just start a new tape in that situation):  C Maybe you want to keep only some of the first m save sets on a tape E that has n save sets (where n>m). Of course, unless cost is an issue, C or you've run out of tapes and don't have time to get new ones, one 6 would probably be better off just starting a new tape.   >  > <tape is not mounted>  > mount J > set magtape/skip:file=<start_pos>  (where start_pos is savesets times 3)  ? I think you'd have to write a new EOT marker at this point, no? G Otherwise I'd think that BACKUP would skip to EOT and start writing the  new save set there.    > backup > backup > backup > backup > backup > backup
 > dismountQ > =============================================================================== P > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com: > http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.htmlQ > =============================================================================== R > Jake Blues:"You traded the Caddy for a microphone? ...... Okay, I can buy that."   AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 11:58:09 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>. Subject: Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save Set/ Message-ID: <00A48386.BC6CDA7F.7@tachysoft.com>   % >From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>  >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms/ >Subject: Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save Set ! >Date: 13 Aug 2005 08:06:34 -0700    >Wayne Sewell wrote:6 >> >NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:58:51 -0500/ >> >Message-ID: <42FD620F.E7F791D7@comcast.net> ) >> >Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:59:27 -0500 6 >> >From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>) >> >Reply-To: djesysno@spam.earthlink.net  >> >Organization: DJE Systems  >> >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 2 >> >Subject: Re: Help Needed: Tape Backup Save Set >> >> >Z wrote: >> >>  >> >> David J Dachtera wrote:  >> >> >>>You can" >> >> >>>BACKUP/LIST tape_device:* >> >> F >> >> >>If you're going to use BACKUP, let VMS mount the tape for you. >> >> 8 >> >> > Ooohhh... Careful there! Not always a good idea. >> >>   >> >> When isn't it a good idea? >> >' >> >See the other posts in this thread,  >>Q >> Some of which were irrelevant for most of us, referring to ancient versions of C >> vms and unreliable tape drives that hardly anyone uses any more.  >  > C >Sir, please. Z just asked, if the >'s didn't get mangled, right up G >there, look a few lines up and you'll see that Z wrote, "When isn't it  >a good idea?" > E >Whether that's relevant for "most of us" is irrelevant. :-) He asked D >when it's not a good idea, and David referred to my answers to said@ >question. He didn't ask "When is this relevant to most of us?".  O If he is using a recent version of vms (he didn't say, IIRC), it probably never G occurred to him that someone would bring up issues from versions of the M operating system that were current fifteen years ago, when said issues do not G exist on current systems.  He inadvertently left off the "no historical B anecdotes, please".  I would not have thought it necessary either.    O Did you miss the "most of us" part?  I was not implying that the comment should M not be made.  Some people are probably still using 5.4 and 8mm tapes and hung  on every word.  L I just made a statement: "it's not relevant for most of us".  Do you disputeO the statement?  As far as the relevance of *my* statement, are you permitted to ( make irrelevant statements and I am not?  L Why *should* most of us care about scenarios we will never see?  Like I saidJ earlier in the thread, for us it's of [possible] historical interest only.   > F >Frankly, I find it quite interesting that non-first-volumes of a saveE >set couldn't be mounted by BACKUP with my two-jobs-ago VAX. Just why F >did BACKUP have this trouble? The only difference is that the tape isE >either the first volume or not. Why should that make any difference? < >Does BACKUP go, "What, a second volume, and *I* mounted it?F >Auuuuuuuuugggghhhhh!" as oppposed to "What, a second volume, oh, it'sF >okay, MOUNT mounted the tape. I'll just deal with it." :-) What could >cause this bizzare problem? >   J If it matters that much, you can try to track down the 5.4 source code and+ determine *exactly* why it did what it did.   I All I care about is that the bug was fixed, and that the auto mount works ' exactly like it is supposed to nowdays.      >[...] >>O >> If I want to write several savesets starting at an arbitrary position on the J >> tape (can't think of a reason for this other than the end of tape being= >> trashed; I would just start a new tape in that situation):  > D >Maybe you want to keep only some of the first m save sets on a tapeF >that has n save sets (where n>m). Of course, unless cost is an issue,A >or you've run out of tapes and don't have time to get new ones,    J Sounds like a nightmare to keep track of.  Especially if you have multipleF instances of the same saveset name on the same tape, which some people inexplicably do.  I Also, you would have savesets of differing vintage on the same tape, thus E confusing the issue of when the tape should be initialized for reuse.    >one7 >would probably be better off just starting a new tape.    would be a lot simpler   >  >> >> <tape is not mounted> >> mountK >> set magtape/skip:file=<start_pos>  (where start_pos is savesets times 3)  > @ >I think you'd have to write a new EOT marker at this point, no?H >Otherwise I'd think that BACKUP would skip to EOT and start writing the >new save set there.  L Yes, probably so.  Didn't think it through, as it is not a procedure I wouldG ever do.  The only reason I ever use skip is for restores from specific 	 savesets.   O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Jake Blues:"You traded the Caddy for a microphone? ...... Okay, I can buy that."   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2005 10:04:19 +01006 From: eplan@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)  Subject: Re: Image restore fails, Message-ID: <42fdc5a3$1@news.langstoeger.at>  q In article <pan.2005.08.12.20.04.27.861181@techwiz.spamno.ca>, Peter Sjoberg <peters38@techwiz.spamno.ca> writes: # >> What does "nothing works" mean ? ' >$ dir dkd0:[000000]vms$common.dir/full  >  >Directory DKD0:[000000] > ! >VMS$COMMON.DIR;1    no such file  >  >Total of 1 file, 0/0 blocks.  >  >same for [SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR   ; You probably have a combination of problems (at least 2)...   " >> Did you try to boot the disk ?  >SYS.EXE not fund   # Ah, we're talking about a VAX here.   3 >> Did you try to ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR the disk ? No  >YesG >A pile of files in SYSLOST but VMS$COMMON and SYSCOMMON completly lost   1 You mean there is no SYSCOMMON.DIR in [SYSLOST] ? L Then you have to create them on your own. And then rename all the previouslyE contained (directory) files - now in [SYSLOST] - to this directories.    F >I know about SYSCOMMON.DIR and VMSCOMMON.DIR but since both files are< >missing (beyond the file header) it's nothing to work with.  I If you're absolutely sure that they are not there (eg. in [SYSLOST]) then E delete the empty file header and create the directory files yourself.  $ SET DEFAULT DKD0:[000000]  $ DELETE/LOG VMS$COMMON.DIR; $ CREATE/DIR [VMS$COMMON] 3 $ SET FILE/ENTER=[SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR VMS$COMMON.DIR  $!' $ RENAME [SYSLOST]*.*/CONF [VMS$COMMON]   K >The initial problem here was that the systemdisk was corrupt to the extent K >that sysuaf.dat was lost and all logins where disabled. This was caused by % >a bad memory, which now is replaced.   ? That explains it. And it explains why your backup has problems. 4 The corruption was there before the BACKUP was done.  E But who knows that the lost VMS$COMMON.DIR is the only problem of the D corrupted system disk (backup). You may end finding the next problem" which you can't fix that easily...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2005 00:33:50 -0700) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com>  Subject: Re: Moving System Disk C Message-ID: <1123918430.400454.158770@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   B I have done this type of reconfiguration several times, and I willD admit that I have my own preferences on how to address the different issues.   @ On the issue of a local vs. a SAN-attached system disk, I see noF problem with using a SAN-attached disk. I do however, prefer to keep aF duplicate copy of the system disk, with a reduced configuration on one> of the local disks, for use in diagnosing a SAN-based problem.  G As was pointed out by WWWebb, checking licensing issues is a neccessary  pre-condition to a migration.   > On the actual migration, my personal preference is to create aF alternate system root on the new system, and boot it into the cluster.E If your system is built well, with everything properly separated into C SYS$SPECIFIC and SYS$COMMON directory trees, then the new node will C come into the cluster without problems. Once the new node is up, it F will need AUTOGEN and other parameter changes to optimize performance.G When I am satisfied that the new node is usable for production, I allow ? it to handle production connections, either by enabling various 5 aliases, which I prefer; or switching the node names.   F I have also expanded the SYS$SPECIFIC, SYS$COMMON duality to be a moreD general concept, as I described in my 2004 OpenVMS Technical JournalF article, "Inheritance Based Environments in Standalone OpenVMS Systems2 and OpenVMS Clusters" (a reprint is available fromC http://www.rlgsc.com/publications/vmstechjournal/inheritance.html).   . If I can be of assistance, please let me know.  $ - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2005 05:39:28 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: SAMBA for VMS3 Message-ID: <VO5$2o0o8q68@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <42FD6DB1.FF70697D@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > David J Dachtera wrote:  >>   >> Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >> >/ >> > I'm back looking for a little help, again.  >> >E >> > Can someone point me at a SAMBA distribution for the VAX that is C >> > relatively simple to install?  So far I have found three.  The D >> > first two didn't seem to put things in the right subdirectoriesC >> > so installing failed and the third came as an ODS file which I " >> > have no idea what to do with. >>  B >> The .ODS file is disk image. Burn it to a CD-R and you will get" >> something that can be MOUNTed.  > E > Alternately, you can LD CONNECT it to an LD device, and MOUNT that.   9 "LD" does not seem to be a command on my VMS V7.3 system. D Perhaps you meant to specify that some software beyond VMS should be installed first.   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Aug 2005 13:56:52 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: SAMBA for VMS, Message-ID: <3m6ch4F15k2ckU1@individual.net>  3 In article <tEhZJ7+3Dyne@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:Y > In article <3m4uv9F159sepU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: - >> I'm back looking for a little help, again.  >>  C >> Can someone point me at a SAMBA distribution for the VAX that is A >> relatively simple to install?  So far I have found three.  The B >> first two didn't seem to put things in the right subdirectoriesA >> so installing failed and the third came as an ODS file which I   >> have no idea what to do with. > E > If the "ODS file" is an image of an ODS disk, burning it to a CDROM # > might result in a mountable disk.   @ I have  no software capable of burning a CD that even has a clue@ what a .ods file is.  And that certainly seems like an awful lot, of extra work to just install one package.     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 13 Aug 2005 13:58:50 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: SAMBA for VMS, Message-ID: <3m6ckqF15k2ckU2@individual.net>  + In article <42FD6DB1.FF70697D@comcast.net>, 5 	David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  > David J Dachtera wrote:  >>   >> Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >> >/ >> > I'm back looking for a little help, again.  >> >E >> > Can someone point me at a SAMBA distribution for the VAX that is C >> > relatively simple to install?  So far I have found three.  The D >> > first two didn't seem to put things in the right subdirectoriesC >> > so installing failed and the third came as an ODS file which I " >> > have no idea what to do with. >>  B >> The .ODS file is disk image. Burn it to a CD-R and you will get" >> something that can be MOUNTed.  > E > Alternately, you can LD CONNECT it to an LD device, and MOUNT that.   ? Yeah, I could.  If I had a clue what that actually meant or how 	 to do it.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:06:26 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: SAMBA for VMS2 Message-ID: <05081309062565_20200298@antinode.org>  ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  E > Alternately, you can LD CONNECT it to an LD device, and MOUNT that.  > A > Yeah, I could.  If I had a clue what that actually meant or how  > to do it.       You must not get out much.   
 alp $ help ld    LD  F         The logical disk utility is a system management tool available7         to any user for controlling logical disk usage.   D         A Logical Disk is a file available on a Physical Disk, which>         acts as a real Physical Disk (The file is contiguous.)?         The Logical Disks are available in any directory of the          Physical Disk.  G         A large disk can be divided into smaller sections, each a Logi- I         cal Disk, supporting the same I/O functions as the Physical Disk. D         By giving the Logical Disk File a good  protection level andF         mounting it private or with device protection, you are able to>         add a number of protection levels to your file system.  C         The logical disk is controlled by the LD utility, which can %         be directly invoked from DCL.            Format:   ,         LD [/qualifiers] [Filespec] [Device]      #   Additional information available:   G   Author     Command_summary       Driver_functions      Error_messages J   Features   New_features_V5.0     New_features_V5.1     New_features_V6.08   New_features_V6.2     New_features_V6.3     ParametersI   Privileges_and_Quotas Restrictions          Setup      IO_Trace_example I   CONNECT    CREATE     DISCONNECT NOPROTECT  NOWATCH    SHOW       TRACE 1   NOTRACE    PROTECT    WATCH      WPoint_example     B    It seems to be in the freeware collection.  (Mine appears to beG rather old.)  See: "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware70/ld/",  for example.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Aug 2005 14:42:43 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: SAMBA for VMS, Message-ID: <3m6f73F15egvaU1@individual.net>  2 In article <05081309062565_20200298@antinode.org>,- 	sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes: * > From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) > F >> Alternately, you can LD CONNECT it to an LD device, and MOUNT that. >>  B >> Yeah, I could.  If I had a clue what that actually meant or how >> to do it. >  >    You must not get out much.  >  > alp $ help ld  >  > LD > H >         The logical disk utility is a system management tool available9 >         to any user for controlling logical disk usage.  > F >         A Logical Disk is a file available on a Physical Disk, which@ >         acts as a real Physical Disk (The file is contiguous.)A >         The Logical Disks are available in any directory of the  >         Physical Disk. > I >         A large disk can be divided into smaller sections, each a Logi- K >         cal Disk, supporting the same I/O functions as the Physical Disk. F >         By giving the Logical Disk File a good  protection level andH >         mounting it private or with device protection, you are able to@ >         add a number of protection levels to your file system. > E >         The logical disk is controlled by the LD utility, which can ' >         be directly invoked from DCL.  >  >         Format:  > . >         LD [/qualifiers] [Filespec] [Device] >  >  > % >   Additional information available:  > I >   Author     Command_summary       Driver_functions      Error_messages L >   Features   New_features_V5.0     New_features_V5.1     New_features_V6.0: >   New_features_V6.2     New_features_V6.3     ParametersK >   Privileges_and_Quotas Restrictions          Setup      IO_Trace_example K >   CONNECT    CREATE     DISCONNECT NOPROTECT  NOWATCH    SHOW       TRACE 3 >   NOTRACE    PROTECT    WATCH      WPoint_example  >  > D >    It seems to be in the freeware collection.  (Mine appears to beI > rather old.)  See: "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware70/ld/",  > for example.  E So it's not part of VMS and not on my machine.  Which leaves me right A where I was before I asked.  Surely someone knows where to find a 3 SAMBA distribution for VMS that actually installs!!    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 07:42:16 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: SAMBA for VMS( Message-ID: <opsvga4qq7zgicya@hyrrokkin>  F On 13 Aug 2005 14:00:19 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:  5 > In article <VO5$2o0o8q68@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 2 > 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:A >> In article <42FD6DB1.FF70697D@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera   & >> <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: >>> David J Dachtera wrote:  >>>> >>>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>>> >1 >>>> > I'm back looking for a little help, again.  >>>> >G >>>> > Can someone point me at a SAMBA distribution for the VAX that is E >>>> > relatively simple to install?  So far I have found three.  The F >>>> > first two didn't seem to put things in the right subdirectoriesE >>>> > so installing failed and the third came as an ODS file which I $ >>>> > have no idea what to do with. >>>>D >>>> The .ODS file is disk image. Burn it to a CD-R and you will get# >>>> something that can be MOUNTed.  >>> G >>> Alternately, you can LD CONNECT it to an LD device, and MOUNT that.  >>< >> "LD" does not seem to be a command on my VMS V7.3 system.G >> Perhaps you meant to specify that some software beyond VMS should be  >> installed first.  > H > See what I mean!  If someone with Larry's experience doesn't know what( > this means, how could I possibly know? USR$:[FREEWARE50]LD063.DIR >  > bill >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 11:09:14 -0400 6 From: Brad Hamilton <brMadAhamPiltSon@coMmcaAstP.neSt> Subject: Re: SAMBA for VMSE Message-ID: <WbCdnZ2dnZ1cNUWUnZ2dnYaQY9-dnZ2dRVn-zJ2dnZ0@comcast.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:, > I'm back looking for a little help, again. > B > Can someone point me at a SAMBA distribution for the VAX that is@ > relatively simple to install?  So far I have found three.  TheA > first two didn't seem to put things in the right subdirectories @ > so installing failed and the third came as an ODS file which I > have no idea what to do with.  >    The SAMBA distribution at:  + http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/   I was easy to install on Alpha VMS.  Is this the distribution of which you   were speaking?  H The installation instructions are at the bottom of the page - note that A you will not be able to install the "bigfile" version, since you  ( probably only have VAX 7.3 (or earlier).  A Can you post the procedures here (or on the SAMBA mailing list)?  6 perhaps some of us can help you with the installation.  A > I would like to have SAMBA running for the upcoming semester in A > order to make it easy for students to move files on and off the 
 > VMS system.  >   F Worthwhile - I hope that you can achieve that goal.  It would be nice * for more students to have exposure to VMS.   --   Bradford J. Hamilton "All opinions are my own" * "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' with @"   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:39:02 +0000 (UTC) % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org>  Subject: Re: SAMBA for VMS5 Message-ID: <slrndfs51m.gva.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   V In article <3m6ckqF15k2ckU2@individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:- > In article <42FD6DB1.FF70697D@comcast.net>, 7 > 	David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  >> David J Dachtera wrote: >>>  >>> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>> > 0 >>> > I'm back looking for a little help, again. >>> > F >>> > Can someone point me at a SAMBA distribution for the VAX that isD >>> > relatively simple to install?  So far I have found three.  TheE >>> > first two didn't seem to put things in the right subdirectories D >>> > so installing failed and the third came as an ODS file which I# >>> > have no idea what to do with.  >>> C >>> The .ODS file is disk image. Burn it to a CD-R and you will get # >>> something that can be MOUNTed.   >>  F >> Alternately, you can LD CONNECT it to an LD device, and MOUNT that. > A > Yeah, I could.  If I had a clue what that actually meant or how  > to do it.   A Not too difficult, if you can acquire it from somewhere (e.g. the ; HP OpenVMS Freeware web site). Usage is along the lines of:    $ LD CONNECT VOL01.DSK LDA1  $ MOUNT LDA1 <volume label>   A (Where VOL01.DSK is the image file encapsulating a virtual disk's 
 contents.)   -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 12:00:41 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> Subject: Re: SAMBA for VMS. Message-ID: <42FDE0E9.11775.59A6E1E@localhost>  A > I have no software capable of burning a CD that even has a clue  > what a .ods file is.  F Some Windows packages (Ahead Nero) will let you burn an "ISO" bit-for-D bit, which can be an ODS image.  CDRECORD, available on Linux etc.,  can do the same.  C I burn using CDRECORD on my Alpha VMS V7.3.  It works quite nicely  F with a SCSI 1x burner I have.  I master the image with VD (similar to D LD), and burn the file to the CD-R.  I always add "Burned with VMS"  on the CD's.    B > And that certainly seems like an awful lot of extra work to just > install one package.    D Yeah, that doesn't sound like intelligent packaging.  There must be  something else going on there.    B Shame you can't wait for OpenVMS Engineering to develop their own 5 Samba implementation.  Should be ready to go Q2 2006.     
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:33:07 +0000 (UTC) % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org>  Subject: Re: SAMBA for VMS5 Message-ID: <slrndfs4mj.gva.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   b In article <VO5$2o0o8q68@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote: > ; > "LD" does not seem to be a command on my VMS V7.3 system.   B I think LD was bundled with VMS starting with V7.3-1? I'm not sure' LDDRIVER ever shipped with OpenVMS/VAX.   F > Perhaps you meant to specify that some software beyond VMS should be > installed first.  B The Freeware CD does include LDDRIVER and works great on Alpha. No# idea if it works with VAX (or I64).   H I seem to recall that LDDRIVER was a Glenn Everhart creation (and a very nicely done one, at that).   -Dan   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:45:55 +0000 (UTC) % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org>  Subject: Re: SAMBA for VMS5 Message-ID: <slrndfs5ei.gva.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   V In article <3m6ch4F15k2ckU1@individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote: >>  F >> If the "ODS file" is an image of an ODS disk, burning it to a CDROM$ >> might result in a mountable disk. > B > I have  no software capable of burning a CD that even has a clueB > what a .ods file is.  And that certainly seems like an awful lot. > of extra work to just install one package.    > Well written software will just burn it to CD, 'as is' without7 attempting to understand the contents of an image file.   G Most CD recording software I've used on OpenVMS, UNIX, and Windows will H burn it 'as is' except for Adaptec/Roxio EasyCD Creator on Windows whichH *insists* it must understand the underlying structure -- and just simply* refused to burn a ODS-2 disk image for me.  E My suggestion would be to use LDDRIVER or CDRECORD if you have either F available or willing to install. Honestly, neither is 'a lot of work'.   -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 12:17:41 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: SAMBA for VMS, Message-ID: <42FE1D22.2EA26C24@teksavvy.com>   "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote:   C > Shame you can't wait for OpenVMS Engineering to develop their own 7 > Samba implementation.  Should be ready to go Q2 2006.     Doubtful it will make it to VAX.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2005 12:42:01 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: SAMBA for VMS3 Message-ID: <u2+m9+NoXytc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <05081309062565_20200298@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes: * > From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) > F >> Alternately, you can LD CONNECT it to an LD device, and MOUNT that. >>  B >> Yeah, I could.  If I had a clue what that actually meant or how >> to do it. >  >    You must not get out much.  >  > alp $ help ld  >  > LD > H >         The logical disk utility is a system management tool available  H You must be under the impression that your local computer customizations& appear on every computer in the world.  8 The command HELP LD on my VAX produces an error message.9 The command HELP LD on my Alpha produces text about LDAP.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 13:06:59 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>* Subject: Re: Turning up an Ethernet & tftp+ Message-ID: <42FDF074.7000800@netscape.net>    David J Dachtera wrote:  >  >  > Do you get a link light? > J > What does the Alpha console think about them? (See the HELP for the SHOW > commands.) > @ > What console environment variables, if any, are set for them? E > (Try "show e*" at the console. For example, if the console variable G > ewa0_mode is set to FASTFD, the console will try to put the card into H > 100Mb mode; if its says "Twisted pair", that's usually 10Mb mode. AutoA > negotiate is not usually recommendable. Set the Alpha to expect ; > something explicit, and leave the hub/switch port set for J > auto-negotiate. That way, you stand a good chance to get what you expect3 > versus what the hard/firmware wants to give you.)   H Could also he that the device is fine but just not started in TCPIP. In  which case he should look at  C http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82final/6524/ba548-90001.pdf section    3.4.4.2 Interface configuration.   > & >>Then how do I add the drives to VMS? >  > H > You don't. VMS detects them and sets up DCBs for them. All you need to > know is their SCSI id.'s.   G Maybe he just needs INIT and MOUNT. Difficult to tell the level of VMS  ! knowledge from the original post.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.450 ************************