1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 26 Aug 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 475       Contents: Re: Adding users Re: Adding usersD Re: AlphaServer 4100 CPU speed upgrade and/or backplane speed rangesD Re: AlphaServer 4100 CPU speed upgrade and/or backplane speed ranges. Re: ANN: a yet another POP3 Server for OpenVMSP BACKUP error, SYSTEM-F-NOIOCHAN (was: MMS V3.5 v. ODS5: Unexpected case-sensitiv Re: Best VAX web server  Re: Best VAX web server  Re: Best VAX web server  Re: BNC to VGA adapter Re: BNC to VGA adapterP Re: Cerner hopefully is using Zotob to show why hospitals should run VMS! VMS!VMP Re: Cerner hopefully is using Zotob to show why hospitals should run VMS! VMS!VM* Re: HP to dump itanium - bring back alpha?* Re: HP to dump itanium - bring back alpha?* Re: HP to dump itanium - bring back alpha?* Re: HP to dump itanium - bring back alpha?* Re: HP to dump itanium - bring back alpha?* Re: HP to dump itanium - bring back alpha?/ Re: Mosaic on VMS (Was Re: Best VAX wev server) / Re: Mosaic on VMS (Was Re: Best VAX wev server) / Re: Mosaic on VMS (Was Re: Best VAX wev server) 3 msa1000 - Connect to VMS host for arrary management 7 Re: msa1000 - Connect to VMS host for arrary management 7 Re: msa1000 - Connect to VMS host for arrary management 7 Re: msa1000 - Connect to VMS host for arrary management ( Re: Next project, C programming problem.D Re: OpenVMS - Java - XML: Content is not allowed in trailing section) Re: Optimum cluster size for EVA storage? # Re: Printer for Vaxstation 4000 VLC # Re: Printer for Vaxstation 4000 VLC # Re: Printer for Vaxstation 4000 VLC # Re: Printer for Vaxstation 4000 VLC  Re: Queue Manager Question
 RQZX1 docs Saw this in CareerBuilder FYI.! Re: Simh. How to triple the speed ! Re: Simh. How to triple the speed ! Re: Simh. How to triple the speed ! Re: Simh. How to triple the speed  Re: Unicode on VMS Re: Unicode on VMS Re: Unicode on VMS Re: Unicode on VMS Re: Unicode on VMS= Re: US Govt hack attacks from China rising ... on VMS I hope!  VMS performance measuring  Re: VMS performance measuring   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2005 13:42:10 -0700# From: "WhoDat?" <whohe@whoever.com>  Subject: Re: Adding users C Message-ID: <1125002530.381918.302050@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Joseph Huber wrote: Y > In article <3n4ht0F197vlbU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: E > > Does anyone have a DCL script for adding users in bulk? Something D > > to update the UAF and take care of creating home directories and( > > maybe add a good starting LOGIN.COM. > J > Make a wrapper around adduser.com, which uses the following code snippetF > to generate UICs (replace "HUBER" and "H1" by Your actual user/group	 > names):  > : > $  GENERATE_UIC = F$IDENTIFIER("HUBER","NAME_TO_NUMBER") > $  GROUP_NAME = "H1" > $  > $! UIC generate routine: > $  > $_GEN_UIC_LOOP: * > $  ALPHA_UIC = F$FAO("!%I",GENERATE_UIC)0 > $  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Checking UIC ", ALPHA_UICF > $  IF F$LOCATE(GROUP_NAME,ALPHA_UIC) .EQ. F$LENGTH(ALPHA_UIC) THEN - > $ GOTO _FOUND_UIC $ > $  GENERATE_UIC = GENERATE_UIC + 1 > $  GOTO _GEN_UIC_LOOP  > $  > $_FOUND_UIC:8 > $  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Found an unused UIC: ", ALPHA_UIC > $ NEXT_UIC==ALPHA_UIC  >   = Don't you need to pass this as the numeric [group,mem] value?   ) $  NEXT_UIC == F$FAO("!%U",GENERATE_UIC") 5 $  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Found an unused UIC: ", NEXT_UIC    ??   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:37:33 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Adding users + Message-ID: <430E644D.6B38A1F8@comcast.net>    Joseph Huber wrote:  > Y > In article <3n4ht0F197vlbU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: E > > Does anyone have a DCL script for adding users in bulk? Something D > > to update the UAF and take care of creating home directories and( > > maybe add a good starting LOGIN.COM. > J > Make a wrapper around adduser.com, which uses the following code snippetF > to generate UICs (replace "HUBER" and "H1" by Your actual user/group	 > names):  > : > $  GENERATE_UIC = F$IDENTIFIER("HUBER","NAME_TO_NUMBER") > $  GROUP_NAME = "H1" > $  > $! UIC generate routine: > $  > $_GEN_UIC_LOOP: * > $  ALPHA_UIC = F$FAO("!%I",GENERATE_UIC)0 > $  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Checking UIC ", ALPHA_UICF > $  IF F$LOCATE(GROUP_NAME,ALPHA_UIC) .EQ. F$LENGTH(ALPHA_UIC) THEN - > $ GOTO _FOUND_UIC $ > $  GENERATE_UIC = GENERATE_UIC + 1 > $  GOTO _GEN_UIC_LOOP  > $  > $_FOUND_UIC:8 > $  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Found an unused UIC: ", ALPHA_UIC > $ NEXT_UIC==ALPHA_UIC  > H > The adduser variation I use does a login.com template, creates initial8 > mail in a subdirectory, adds web-directories and more.C > Make username,UIC,personal_name parameters to the procedure, then & > it can create everything in a batch.< >   http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/vms$common/sysmgr/adduser.com  C That looks like it depends on users always having a UIC identifier.  Could be a brash assumption.  D Also, Bill's looking for a "bulk add" procedure: read a file full ofE records where each record is a set of parameters, P1 through P8, pass 7 each set of parm's to the procedure  - all in one shot.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:27:06 -0500 . From: Duncan Brown <brown_du@eisner.decus.org>M Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 CPU speed upgrade and/or backplane speed ranges 2 Message-ID: <BtmdnYqTSu1h4JPeRVn-vA@speakeasy.net>   David J Dachtera wrote: H > Running unpatched V7.3-1, you will *DEFINITELY* see issues eventually.A > As the other posters have suggested, get and install the latest I > VMS731_UPDATE and VMS731_SYS ECOs, then look through the patch site for  > others you might need: > 5 > ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V7.3-1/  >    OK, I'm baaaaack...   F VMS731_UPDATE would appear to include VMS731_SYS, so I only installed I the former.  But it has a prerequisite of VMS731_PCSI version 2.00, so I   installed that first.    Handy Tips from Duncan: C -- Downloading those via Mozilla running under VMS for some reason  F results in corrupted files.  Enough so that the VMS update won't even H unpack, while the PCSI update will unpack but will then fail mid-stream.F -- When you are installing a PCSI update and it fails mid-stream, you F may regret not having backed up your system disk immediately prior to G the update!  (Hint: the Product Install command is then broken, making  F it exceedingly hard to install the non-corrupted PCSI update once you  download it via a PC...)  G I sorted that all out eventually, installed both updates and rebooted.  E Seemed to still run fine on the 400MHz boards.  I then shut down and  F installed the 533MHz boards, which have now been running solidly for, 2 oh, about 5 minutes.  We'll see how that pans out.  I In the PDFs that Kerry sent me, there is a whole discussion of which CPU  F boards can run in the 4100, which ones that don't have identical part H numbers are in fact compatible, etc.  *Nowhere* does it discuss certain H boards not running in certain chassis because of the original CPU board E speed in that chassis.  So I'm going to take that as a sign that the   boards should run fine.   E With luck, this is just a case of being lulled into a false sense of  C security by my virgin 7.3-1 install running so well even though it  E shouldn't have, only to finally show its true nature with the faster  B boards.  That'll teach me not to get the latest updates.  (M$ has G trained me to *fear* the latest updates, so I kind of forgot that real  , operating systems don't behave like that...)  G I guess I should get 8.mumble at some point, eh?  But life is hard for  A us Hobbyist types, since I can only install what I can find used  ? Condists for cheaply, which means getting old castoffs on ebay.    Duncan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 02:53:08 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> M Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 CPU speed upgrade and/or backplane speed ranges * Message-ID: <430E8414.1080104@bigpond.com>  " Duncan Brown mentioned in passing:  
 	[...snip...]  >  > Handy Tips from Duncan: E > -- Downloading those via Mozilla running under VMS for some reason  H > results in corrupted files.  Enough so that the VMS update won't even J > unpack, while the PCSI update will unpack but will then fail mid-stream.  @ I do ALL of my downloads via Mozilla on VMS and have not yet had0 any problems... what corruptions are you seeing?  H > -- When you are installing a PCSI update and it fails mid-stream, you H > may regret not having backed up your system disk immediately prior to I > the update!  (Hint: the Product Install command is then broken, making  H > it exceedingly hard to install the non-corrupted PCSI update once you  > download it via a PC...)  
 	[...snip...]    > Duncan   Regards, Dave --  B David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.comB Sneddo's quick guide ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/B DBS freeware   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:31:44 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>7 Subject: Re: ANN: a yet another POP3 Server for OpenVMS + Message-ID: <430E62EF.ED8C7BE8@comcast.net>    "Ruslan R. Laishev" wrote: > 
 > Hi, All! > M >         There is a fixed bug with the EXPIRE option. Please update the kit.  >  > Ruslan R. Laishev wrote: >  > > Hi Alan! > > & > >     Thanks for pointing. Just did: > > C > >     http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/work/pop3/spop3_srv.zip  > >  > >  > > Alan Greig wrote:  > >  > >> > >> > >> Ruslan R. Laishev wrote:  > >>
 > >>> Hi All! D > >>>     I wrote a yet another POP3 server for OVMS (using RMS I/O,E > >>> PTHREAD interface), in my case it's a replacement of the IUPOP3 5 > >>> server, who interesting can see/get sources at:  > >>> 8 > >>>     http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/work/pop3/ > >>> E > >> Thanks. Any chance of making a zip archive to simplify download?   E As soon as someone has a working binary, how 'bout posting an archive F containing object library and a LINK.COM, with LINKer options files as needed?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:47:51 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)Y Subject: BACKUP error, SYSTEM-F-NOIOCHAN (was: MMS V3.5 v. ODS5: Unexpected case-sensitiv 2 Message-ID: <05082523475140_20A0026A@antinode.org>      For those keeping score:   5 >                        UnZip 5.52     UnZip 6.00c12 8 > ALPX $ backup /compare [.unzip552...] [.unzip552_0...]! > %BACKUP-E-OPENIN, error opening E > ALPX$DKA100:[utility.SOURCE.zip.unzip552_0.ACORN]acorn.c;1 as input : > -RMS-F-CHN, assign channel system service request failed. > -SYSTEM-F-NOIOCHAN, no I/O channel available  E    As HELP /MESS NOIOCHAN suggested, increasing CHANNELCNT (default = * 256 to 1024) seems to have cured this one:  0 ALPX $ bac /comp [.unzip552...] [.unzip552_0...] ALPX $    G Although "see if it is high enough" was not something I knew how to do, H unless you count the "Increase it a bunch and see if that helps" method.  G    Thus, irregardful, it appears that the latest released UnZip kit has ! no exotic file names, unlike Zip.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Aug 05 17:42:07 EDT) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook)   Subject: Re: Best VAX web server! Message-ID: <LQICMqZzTFg7@wvnvms>   g In article <TI8Pe.20687$jr4.2059@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  > George Cook wrote: >  >>E >> Do other DECwindows applications (e.g. Bookreader, Calendar) work?  > E > Yes, they all work. The old Netscape Navigator also works. In fact  H > everything I have tried so far has worked. Including compiling things D > like xterm. So it seems to be something fairly specific to mosaic. >  >> Try adding the line:  >>  D >> Mosaic*fontList:    -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-14-*-iso8859-1 >>  D >> to the top of MOSAIC.DAT.  I think this will override any default  C Do you have more than one MOSAIC.DAT?  Is there one in sys$login or " SYS$COMMON:[DECW$DEFAULTS.SYSTEM]?  F > No change. There is a long delay between Mosaic printing the warning+ > X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string  ) > "-*-Menu-Medium-R-Normal--*-120-*-*-P-*   > -ISO8859-1" to type FontStruct  / This one originates on the client (aka Mosaic).    > and + > X Error: BadFont (invalid Font parameter)  >    Major Opcode:  47  " This one originates on the server.  D > so I am not sure they are related. Also the mosaic opening window J > appears on screen for several seconds after the first messaage and only  > disappears after the second.  D Try starting Mosaic with the /SYNCHRONOUS qualifier which will force! it to do everthing synchronously.   E Is your X server software freeware or commercial?  If it is freeware, B I could probably get it installed on a PC here, otherwise I am notB going to be much help in debugging the problem.  I can keep making? educated guesses and wild shots in the dark, but to see what is C actually going on I would need to be able to run the debugger, etc.  on a live system.      George Cook  WVNET    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Aug 05 20:31:04 EDT) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook)   Subject: Re: Best VAX web server! Message-ID: <WKrtCLWMb7Ck@wvnvms>   V In article <430E57DB.6040305@netscape.net>, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes: > [emailed and posted] >  > George Cook wrote: > G >> Try starting Mosaic with the /SYNCHRONOUS qualifier which will force $ >> it to do everthing synchronously. > G > That did the trick. Mosaic started and is working. Does that tend to   > suggest an actual bug then?   B I didn't expect it to make Mosaic start working.  I just wanted toD see what effect it had on the timing of the two errors.  Mosaic willC paint the screen a lot slower in synchronous mode because it has to = wait for each X request to complete in order on the X server.   E I'm not sure what it suggests.  X is a bit of a strange animal, which B makes it hard to debug problems like this remotely.  Could be some type of race condition.   H >> Is your X server software freeware or commercial?  If it is freeware,E >> I could probably get it installed on a PC here, otherwise I am not  > I > It is freeware. It's the cygwin (www.cygwin.com) X server. Red Hat are  I > behind cygwin so it's a fairly common server. I am open to suggestions  ! > as to other freeware X servers.   A I don't have a PC to install it on, but i will see if a co-worker  can get it installed on his.     George Cook  WVNET    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:06:45 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>  Subject: Re: Best VAX web server= Message-ID: <FWtPe.29002$jr4.23925@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    George Cook wrote:   >  >  > D > I didn't expect it to make Mosaic start working.  I just wanted toF > see what effect it had on the timing of the two errors.  Mosaic willE > paint the screen a lot slower in synchronous mode because it has to ? > wait for each X request to complete in order on the X server.   E Yes it is very slow but has handled all the pages I've thrown at it.  E Just to be sure I've restarted without /synch and I get the original  + error. Put /synch back again and it starts.   G > I'm not sure what it suggests.  X is a bit of a strange animal, which D > makes it hard to debug problems like this remotely.  Could be some > type of race condition.   I The host system is about an 8 VUPS emulated VAX so it's pretty slow. VAX  G 4300 type speed. Doubt the emulation itself should have anything to do   with it but perhaps the speed?   > C > I don't have a PC to install it on, but i will see if a co-worker  > can get it installed on his.  I I am really just doing this for a bit of fun so no need to go overboard!  I   However I guess you might want to be sure it's not some underlying bug  G which could hit other builds later. If you think it might help, let me  & know and I can give you telnet access.   > 
 > George Cook  > WVNET    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:47:17 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> Subject: Re: BNC to VGA adapter ( Message-ID: <430E3C65.6E0CD3E2@mist.com>   William Webb wrote:  > 1 > On 8/24/05, GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:  > > William Webb wrote:  > > > 5 > > > On 8/24/05, GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote: B > > > > Does anyone know where I can obtain a BNC to VGA adapter?? > > > >  > > > K > > > I trust that you're talking about something to take RGB sync-on-green K > > > output for something like a VAXstation 4000 VLC and turn it into DB15 
 > > > output?  > > > S > > > DEC had a xx-xxxxx-xx part, if you search c.o.v., I know it was posted there. 6 > > > Also I understand that Black Box makes one also. > > >  > > 2 > > I tried them and they don't seem to sell them.: > > I've got the old DEC part no. but can't seem to find a > > vendor for it. > >  > = > Please identify the hardware (system) you're talking about.  >   ; VAXstation 4000 VLC... it has the 3 BNC female video on the  back.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:57:04 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: BNC to VGA adapter , Message-ID: <430E68DE.97F6174A@teksavvy.com>   GreyCloud wrote:1 > It is the usual 3 BNC type connector... female.   F Then you can build an adaptor to VGA. The signals are compatible. each$ BNC as male and female of a colour.   G If you google for VGA Connector pinouts, you should be able to see some F layout of the pinouts and just concuct your own adaptor. Just fill theF RGB + and -  pins, leave the others unconnected. You'll need a monitor" that has sync-on-green capability.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:20:27 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Y Subject: Re: Cerner hopefully is using Zotob to show why hospitals should run VMS! VMS!VM + Message-ID: <430E604B.FE2C2BEE@comcast.net>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > - > In article <43089CD1.67078A97@comcast.net>, > >         David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >>5 > >> In article <11gfhh5ahbroqe4@corp.supernews.com>, 6 > >>         Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > >> > Bill Gunshannon wrote: K > >> >> In article <1124565228.925988.212330@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, ( > >> >>      bob@instantwhip.com writes: > >> >> L > >> >>>"This is a good example of why you can't protect a weak OS with someN > >> >>>router only because if something happens from tyhe inside, you are hit > >> >>>just as badly."  > >> >>>: > >> >>>so why haven't all these windoze cios figured this$ > >> >>>out yet and switched to vms? > >> >>  > >> >> M > >> >> Because the security provided by VMS carries with it the same penalty ? > >> >> as a secured windows box.  No real world functionality.  > >> >>  > >> >> bill > >> >>  > >> >$ > >> > Now that I'll not agree with. > >>5 > >> Wether you agree or not does not change reality.  > > F > > So, a laptop on an airplane with no network connection is useless? >  > No, where did I say that?    Quoting the above:M > >> >> Because the security provided by VMS carries with it the same penalty ? > >> >> as a secured windows box.  No real world functionality.   C The only way to keep a Windows mahcine secure is to make sure it is ! *NEVER* connected to any network.    >  > >  > > Reality double-check...  > >  > >> >N > >> > If you define real world functionality being able to run MS Office, andM > >> > some do, then you have a point.  But MS Office isn't the only thing in  > >> > the world worth doing.  > >>H > >> What is the current function of the largest percentage of computersI > >> in use today?  Server apps?  Or Desktop apps?  Where are the largest J > >> number of Windows boxes that get infected with the virus-du-jour?  In) > >> the server room?  Or on the desktop?  > > K > > The virus count for M$-DOS was well into the tens of thousands prior to  > > the dawn of WhineBloze > I > Personally, I doubt this, but it's as good an attack on MS as anything.   G See http://vil.nai.com/ for verification. It's not really organized for , search by date, but that's where I found it.  K > >                         which was preceded the earliest versions of the J > > products that came to be known as M$-Orifice. I still have M$-Word for( > > DOS diskettes around here somewhere. > D > What's your point?  That was then and this is now.  Everyday users" > today won't work without a GUI.   ; Make that "can't", not "won't", and it only increases their  vulnerability.  $ > There actually was a time way back3 > when when VMS could have controlled the desktop.    C Eh, not likely. VMS+DECwindows is about as user-freindly as current + Linux distro.'s: still too techie-oriented.    > It's owners chose = > not to.  A lot of water has passed over the dam since then.   C So, there's no point at all in trying to make a VMS desktop usable?    > > K > >> So, where does VMS have to take over to have any impact on the current  > >> situation?  > > H > > See recent discussions surrounding the idea of having VMS-based mail > > exchangers and such. > C > But then you are talking about heterogenous shops.  Read what the A > industry has to say about the difference in complexity and cost = > of maintenance between heterogenous and homogenous computer E > operations. (And those are the kinds of reports that the executives # > see, not ncessarily the techies.)   H See reports of the cost of production and accessibility lost to viruses,E trojans, worms and DoS attacks. C-levels see those reports, also (but 7 rarely, if ever, do anything constructive in response).    > > ; > >> And, what possibility is there of that ever happening?  > > I > > Depends, mostly on us. Will HP/VMS ever produce/market such a product K > > suite? Most likely responses based on experience to date: No / No. That ! > > leaves the ball in our court.  > D > In what way?  Without HP's permission and support you can't market > anything.   C If they sell stuff to OEMs and VARs, what further "permission" does  anyone need?  8 > And even if you found a way around the trade-mark law,- > no serious business would buy it from you.    > Where did that come from? Who is talking about any such thing?   > If it were all that C > easy, everyone would be using Open Office today, even on Windows!   < What does OpenOffice have to do with a mail exchange server?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:21:48 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Y Subject: Re: Cerner hopefully is using Zotob to show why hospitals should run VMS! VMS!VM + Message-ID: <430E609B.C482FE00@comcast.net>    GreyCloud wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > >  > > GreyCloud wrote: > > >   > > > bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > > > > = > > > > what have you been drinking?  I can give any user any A > > > > functionality I want ... what real world functionality is  > > > > missing in your world? > > > ? > > > I still don't understand, after all the noise made by the @ > > > insecurity of M$ windows, that those responsible for their% > > > IT budget still buy M$ windows.  > > 7 > > See http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?addiction  > >  > 5 > So sad. Windows is such a waste of productive time.   	 So true.    @ The first step in recovery is the admission of having a problem.  6 Don't see Corporate America doing that in my lifetime.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:25:25 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 3 Subject: Re: HP to dump itanium - bring back alpha? - Message-ID: <874q9dahmy.fsf@prep.synonet.com>    icerq4a@spray.se writes:   > JF Mezei skrev: 5 >> And the fact that Pa-Risc's life has been extended   2 > I am not aware of this? Not changed I would say.  @ The PA family, ignoring that  the itanic was to have been PA3.0,? was to end in 97 or so, then the first 64 bit chip was spun out A as they wherer still waiting for the first coming. Then it was to " end with Mako(?) in the Superdome.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:40:06 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 3 Subject: Re: HP to dump itanium - bring back alpha? - Message-ID: <87zmr592e1.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   4 Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@TrashThis.comcast.net> writes:  $ > Dave Froble wrote <and I snipped>:  @ >> Without going and reading up on that link, I'd just offer the: >> following.  The N-VAX CPUs were pretty good.  They were0 >> discontinued while still a decent competitor.  C > NVAX was a very good VAX, but it had the common VAX constraint of E > 4GB of address space.  Enough for most desktops, but not enough for E > many apps.  The 4GB limit was the fundamental VAX killer, since DEC > > had already lost the desktop battle to the low-priced stuff.  B No, the thing that killed the Vax, and will always kill the Vax is? that the addressing modes anable you to do an indirect write to F *ANYWHERE* and you can not know what sources are not altered. The onlyE thing worse is the 6/10 that can do the writes to memory or registers D so any indirect address is now unknown. This kills performance stone  cold dead. Or to just twitching.  A >> As for the complexity, what instructions did the bleeding edge E >> users want?  Usually a small subset of the entire instruction set. F >> Why not make a subset of the instruction set that would lend itselfF >> to speed-ups, and implement the rest in whatever worked, microcode,F >> software, whatever.  You'd have the fast benchmarks, and you'd have< >> a VAX.  Many VMS users place performance well below other >> requirements.  B > Great idea - why didn't DEC start a RISCy VAX project?  Oh wait,E > they did; the resulting architecture was named Alpha.  The CISCness D > of VAX was not just the extensive instruction set, it was also theE > arcane addressing modes and the difficulty of overlapping execution @ > of many of those instructions, particularly on a shared-memoryC > multiprocessor -- think, for example, about the interlocked queue  > manipulation stuff.   C The instruction complexity can be dealt with, cracking some of them G into simpler ones like in the later pentiums for example. But you still & keep hitting the addressing mode wall.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:43:42 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 3 Subject: Re: HP to dump itanium - bring back alpha? - Message-ID: <87vf1t9281.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   C > On 24 Aug 2005 15:23:39 -0700, WhoDat? <whohe@whoever.com> wrote:  > ' >> Anyway, as Mr. Mashey ends his post:  >> >>>>D >> VAX: one of the great computer families, built around a clean ISAC >> appropriate to the time, but increasingly difficult to implement  >> competitively. 	 >> R.I.P.  >> <<  > E > We have had this discussion elsewhere, and when John wrote that you @ > couldn't put a couple of hundred million transistors on a die.  B A billion transistors don't help if they are waiting for memory to@ cycle, and all you can do is flush all your lookahead speculated
 instructions.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:06:36 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>3 Subject: Re: HP to dump itanium - bring back alpha? 3 Message-ID: <0asPe.11179$RR1.6036@news.cpqcorp.net>   ( <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message' news:878xypahrz.fsf@prep.synonet.com... . > "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: > F > > The point of migrating to Itanium was to *not* have to continue toG > > fund new Alpha platform development.  If you have ongoing needs for G > > Alpha beyond the last-buy date, contact your sales rep - there is a H > > program available to provide that ability (guaranteed for a cost, or  > > not-guaranteed best effort). > E > Fred, that line is just pure crap. Like the free lunch, you can pay F > for CPU development, or not pay. Then have to pay another plus their	 > margin.  >   F What does this, or the rest of your post have to with the price of tea	 in China?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:59:19 +0200 3 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> 3 Subject: Re: HP to dump itanium - bring back alpha? = Message-ID: <430e5b58$0$67257$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    icerq4a@spray.se wrote:  > Dr. Dweeb wrote: >> JF Mezei wrote: >>> Karsten Nyblad wrote: D >>>> in general.  People are buying Itanic for Windows and and LinuxC >>>> because it has a performance advantage.  My guess is that that E >>>> market will disappear as fast as the market for Windows on Alpha 2 >>>> disappeared when x86 became as fast as Alpha. >>>  >>> D >>> Lets not forget that many of the well publicised Windows-on-IA64G >>> announcements happened because of marketing deals resulting in very 8 >>> low acquisition costs for the high profile customer. >>> E >>> The limited amount of Windows software on that IA64 thing greatly D >>> reduces its target market to only customers wishing to run a few, >>> specific apps on a farm of IA64 servers. >>F >> I have not looked, but does anyone know just how much IA64 software@ >> is available for Win2003/Itanium (or whatever it is called) ? > F > I have looked a bit. Not much. (although IA32-EL work very good. ;)) > E >> I also wonder whether it is greater or lesser than the amount that > >> was available for the Alpha just prior to the Win2000/Alpha >> cancellation. > G > Alpha had low amount and Itanium have a low amount. Difficult to say.  > G >> This should be a good indication of the viability of the platform as  >> a Windows vehicle.  > > > Windows on Itanium is today mainly a large database vehicle.@ > There is no reason to run it unless you have a large database.  K Well, I would suggest that VMS oand O9x (whatever is current) or ORdb were  K far superior options on an Itanium box, but that is purely a prsonal take.  I I had assumed people were buying large Itanium boxes to run Exchange and   Terminal Server type apps.   Dweeb    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2005 21:39:27 -0700 From: icerq4a@spray.se3 Subject: Re: HP to dump itanium - bring back alpha? C Message-ID: <1125031167.772991.289090@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Dr. Dweeb wrote: > icerq4a@spray.se wrote:  > > Dr. Dweeb wrote: > >> JF Mezei wrote: > >>> Karsten Nyblad wrote: F > >>>> in general.  People are buying Itanic for Windows and and LinuxE > >>>> because it has a performance advantage.  My guess is that that G > >>>> market will disappear as fast as the market for Windows on Alpha 4 > >>>> disappeared when x86 became as fast as Alpha. > >>>  > >>> F > >>> Lets not forget that many of the well publicised Windows-on-IA64I > >>> announcements happened because of marketing deals resulting in very : > >>> low acquisition costs for the high profile customer. > >>> G > >>> The limited amount of Windows software on that IA64 thing greatly F > >>> reduces its target market to only customers wishing to run a few. > >>> specific apps on a farm of IA64 servers. > >>H > >> I have not looked, but does anyone know just how much IA64 softwareB > >> is available for Win2003/Itanium (or whatever it is called) ? > > H > > I have looked a bit. Not much. (although IA32-EL work very good. ;)) > > G > >> I also wonder whether it is greater or lesser than the amount that @ > >> was available for the Alpha just prior to the Win2000/Alpha > >> cancellation. > > I > > Alpha had low amount and Itanium have a low amount. Difficult to say.  > > I > >> This should be a good indication of the viability of the platform as  > >> a Windows vehicle.  > > @ > > Windows on Itanium is today mainly a large database vehicle.B > > There is no reason to run it unless you have a large database. > L > Well, I would suggest that VMS oand O9x (whatever is current) or ORdb wereL > far superior options on an Itanium box, but that is purely a prsonal take.  / Yes, ofcourse, but if you rely on SQL Server...    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:14:16 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 8 Subject: Re: Mosaic on VMS (Was Re: Best VAX wev server)+ Message-ID: <430E1882.46188C7@teksavvy.com>    Alan Greig wrote: G > On closer inspection I see I get the mosaic warning with netscape and E > other apps as well. However they don't stop them from running. Does J > anyone have a known working VAX executable (TCPIP, Motif) that I can tryE > in case it is a problem with the current build in my configuration.   0 Do a DIR dev:[000000...]*mosaic*.* on your disk.   you should have  at least:  5 Directory $2$DKA200:[VMS$COMMON.DECW$DEFAULTS.SYSTEM]   M MOSAIC.DAT;2        MOSAIC.DAT;1        MOSAIC.DAT_COLOR;1  MOSAIC.DAT_MONO;1     < (as well as a version of mosaic in the examples directories)  E in the mosaic.dat there are a lot of font definitions for menu items, $ and they all point to helvetica-bold  A I suspect that if you're missing that file, mosaic uses some very D primitive default in the executable and that cannolt be found and it won't substitute the font.  E Remember that if yur X terminal doesn't have all the fonts installed, D applications running from a VMS client (terminal is the server) willH complain bitterly.  Netscape may have some font substitution login in it to allow it t continue.   3 What format are the font files on your X terminal ?    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Aug 05 18:02:37 EDT) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) 8 Subject: Re: Mosaic on VMS (Was Re: Best VAX wev server)! Message-ID: <bYajdgGU1u1F@wvnvms>   h In article <fVlPe.16569$5m3.13671@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes: > Alan Greig wrote:  >  >> and, >> X Error: BadFont (invalid Font parameter) >>   Major Opcode:  47 >>  E >> so I am not sure they are related. Also the mosaic opening window  K >> appears on screen for several seconds after the first messaage and only   >> disappears after the second.  >  > H > On closer inspection I see I get the mosaic warning with netscape and F > other apps as well. However they don't stop them from running. Does K > anyone have a known working VAX executable (TCPIP, Motif) that I can try  F > in case it is a problem with the current build in my configuration. 0 > Should I take this to the mosaic mailing list?  A The list is usually dead except for a week or two after every new C release.  You might try asking the list if anyone has gotten Mosaic & to work with your particular X server.  C If you want to try running Mosaic with the VMS debugger, I might be B able to talk you thru debugging the problem.  If Mosaic is startedC in synchronous mode, then I believe the failing XLoadQueryFont call 9 will still be on the stack when the X Error is returned.       George Cook  WVNET    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:00:58 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 8 Subject: Re: Mosaic on VMS (Was Re: Best VAX wev server), Message-ID: <430E69C8.AB94B5A3@teksavvy.com>   Another thing to test:  D If you have a fixed IP (or can retain an IP for a few days), and youG setup your X terminal to accept connections from the world, then any of E us could fire up mosaic from our end to pop a window on your terminal ; and we could then see if it complains about missing fonts.    H If someone can pop the window on your terminal, it means that it is yourK VMS client which has a wrong mosaic.dat (and possibly other files as well).    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2005 14:14:14 -07007 From: "flamingomn@hotmail.com" <flamingomn@hotmail.com> < Subject: msa1000 - Connect to VMS host for arrary managementC Message-ID: <1125004454.018617.116060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   
 OVMS 7-3.2  B We have a new ALPHA ES45 that has an MSA1000 in it. We're tryng to@ connect to it from a VMS host via the seriel port.  There are no* errors, it just hangs and doesn't connect.  G Unfortunatly, HP has not been a good resource for this problem.  We get @ the feeling that we're the only people trying to do this in this manner.   C WE need to do it this way because the support will be in MN and the @ machine will be in TX.  And I have no desire to move to TX !  :)  6 Has anyone out there gotten this to work successfully?   thanks, Ann    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2005 18:00:17 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) @ Subject: Re: msa1000 - Connect to VMS host for arrary management- Message-ID: <cbkIJySpJx2C@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   9 "flamingomn@hotmail.com" <flamingomn@hotmail.com> writes:  > OVMS 7-3.2 > D > We have a new ALPHA ES45 that has an MSA1000 in it. We're tryng toB > connect to it from a VMS host via the seriel port.  There are no, > errors, it just hangs and doesn't connect.  < Can you describe your hardware setup with a bit more detail?  3 How are you connecting from the Alpha to the MSA?     G Is it a hardwired connection from one of the serial ports on the Alpha?   I Is the MSA serial port connected to a terminal server (with a defined lat E service such that you are using the $ SET HOST/LAT command from VMS?)      --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:55:13 -0500  From: <ksrich@bellsouth.net>@ Subject: Re: msa1000 - Connect to VMS host for arrary management5 Message-ID: <2SsPe.910$7F.406@bignews3.bellsouth.net>   * <flamingomn@hotmail.com> wrote in message = news:1125004454.018617.116060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  > OVMS 7-3.2 > D > We have a new ALPHA ES45 that has an MSA1000 in it. We're tryng toB > connect to it from a VMS host via the seriel port.  There are no, > errors, it just hangs and doesn't connect. > I > Unfortunatly, HP has not been a good resource for this problem.  We get B > the feeling that we're the only people trying to do this in this	 > manner.  > E > WE need to do it this way because the support will be in MN and the B > machine will be in TX.  And I have no desire to move to TX !  :) > 8 > Has anyone out there gotten this to work successfully? >   K I have it connected to a PC with no problems.  I use PC/Anywhere to get to   the PC to do remote 
 managment.  L Sounds like it maybe a cable issue.  Also the MSA defaults to 19200 instead  of 9600.     Shael    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 00:35:28 GMT 6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>@ Subject: Re: msa1000 - Connect to VMS host for arrary management: Message-ID: <kttPe.870$sV7.360@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>  J Are you going from the Alphaserver serial port or using a terminal server?K I still have terminal servers at remote locations to get into Cisco console J ports and storage controllers.  The cabling can be a bit odd, but once youL work out the pin outs this is very reliable.  Add a phone line and modem andH you can get around most network issues as well.  Adds a lot to my remote troubleshooting.  K Another option, if you only have a few serial devices to manage is to use a H PC (I know heresy in this group) and connect via the serial ports there.   --       Andy Bustamante  Remove the ASCII 95s for e-mail     ) <flamingomn@hotmail.com> wrote in message = news:1125004454.018617.116060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  > OVMS 7-3.2 > D > We have a new ALPHA ES45 that has an MSA1000 in it. We're tryng toB > connect to it from a VMS host via the seriel port.  There are no, > errors, it just hangs and doesn't connect. > I > Unfortunatly, HP has not been a good resource for this problem.  We get B > the feeling that we're the only people trying to do this in this	 > manner.  > E > WE need to do it this way because the support will be in MN and the B > machine will be in TX.  And I have no desire to move to TX !  :) > 8 > Has anyone out there gotten this to work successfully? > 
 > thanks, Ann  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:25:02 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>1 Subject: Re: Next project, C programming problem. + Message-ID: <430E615E.67877D94@comcast.net>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > , > In article <4308A029.CEB10E5@comcast.net>,> >         David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >>G > >> OK, now that I am ready to turn the students  loose on the VAX for G > >> programming projects I have another problem to solve.  While SAMBA J > >> now makes it trivial to move files between the VAX and out fileserverG > >> the files will not be in a proper VMS text format and the compiler F > >> won't deal with them.  No big thing.  I merely wrote 2 utilities,I > >> "unix2vms" and "vms2unix".  Simple on the unix side, but the idea is K > >> to have the students work on the VMS side.  If they  have to be logged I > >> into the Unix server to convert every file before moving it, nothing H > >> is gained in trying to get them to work in the VMS environment. So,< > >> I need these utilities to work on the VMS side as well. > >>F > >> Now the problem.  I convert the file by writing it to a temp fileI > >> while playing with the "lf"/"lf cr" combinations and then rename the M > >> tempfile to the original files name.  This (according to the description L > >> of "rename") guarantees that the file can not be lost even in the eventJ > >> of a system crash.  But the problem is the tempfile is not created asJ > >> StreamLF.  According to the CC docs I have found on the web it shouldI > >> have been as that is the default for "fopen(filename, "w")".  Anyone I > >> here tell me what I need to do to make sure the new file I create is I > >> StreamLF so it doesn't end out with garbage padding at the end which : > >> upsets the compiler even more  thanthe lack of "cr"s. > > K > > Dunno if this helps, but at one time I found it useful to pass a STREAM D > > text file through this sequence when converting from M$ to UN*X: > > " > > 1. Copy it to a temp location.# > > 2. Set the copy /ATTR=RFM=STMCR L > > 3. CONVERT the copy to a new file using a .FDL that specified the record > > format as STREAM_LF.# > > 4. DELETE the copy from step 1.  > > C > > Step 3 would filter out the <CR>'s but leave the <LF>'s intact.  > > 7 > > An alternative method (if you want to avoid .FDLs):  > > " > > 1. Copy it to a temp location.# > > 2. Set the copy /ATTR=RFM=STMCR  > > 3. COPY NLA0: to a new file * > > 4. SET the new (empty) FILE/ATTR=STMLF% > > 5. APPEND the copy to a new file. # > > 6. DELETE the copy from step 1.  > > L > > This produces a message about the source and target files not having theH > > same attributes, but it's only a -W- (warning) severity, and the endH > > result is the same. Step 5 would filter out the <CR>'s but leave the > > <LF>'s intact. > > I > > I've never tried using PIPEs to eliminate the intermediate file - the 1 > > original technique was developed on V6.2-1H3.  > >  > C > The problem with that is the users can not be expected to do it.    , Then don't give them the chance to avoid it.   > I can J > probably get away with having a single command that converts their filesG > but any more than that and we're back to "If I have to go to all this D > trouble on VMS, why don't we just get a unix or Windows solution?"  D ...and how much trouble would the conversion, migration, retraining, etc. be?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:09:57 +0200 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>M Subject: Re: OpenVMS - Java - XML: Content is not allowed in trailing section < Message-ID: <430e0972$0$75805$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk>   Bob Koehler wrote:p > In article <IghPe.4433$R5.793@news.indigo.ie>, "Andoni" <no_spam_please@andoni-at-ireland-dot-com.com> writes:: >>Here we get an error message from the XML parser saying:J >>SEVERE: Parse Fatal Error at line 56 column 1: Content is not allowed in >>trailing section. L >>org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: Content is not allowed in trailing section. >> at L >>org.apache.xerces.util.ErrorHandlerWrapper.createSAXParseException(Unknown	 >>Source) K >> at org.apache.xerces.util.ErrorHandlerWrapper.fatalError(Unknown Source)  > I >    I don't know if it's related, by my colleagues who do XML on Windows E >    say the parser is only happy with UNIX format (Stream-LF) files.   4 Java on Windows do not have a problem with XML files with CRLF line terminator.  < But Java on VMS have a strong "preference" for Stream LF, so1 it is definatetly good advice to convert to that.    Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:54:14 GMT + From: Jeff Chimene <jchimene@earthlink.net> 2 Subject: Re: Optimum cluster size for EVA storage?B Message-ID: <aBnPe.1610$Wd7.1246@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>   Norman Lastovica wrote:  >  > Jeff Chimene wrote:  >  >>Fred Hoenisch wrote: >>F >>>Yesterday I read on the Rdb ListServer that for optimum EVA storageO >>>performance, OpenVMS disks should be initialised with a cluster size being a  >>>multiple of 4.  >>> : >>>Can someone point me to a documented reference of that? >>>  >>>Yours truly,  >>>Fred. >>H >>I think this has to do with page sizes in Rdb wherein multiples of two2 >>is a Good Thing w/r/t flexible physical design.  >  > 2 > 	has nothing at all to do with Rdb specifically.B > It is an issue with the storage controllers.  The recommendationA > is to initialize disks with cluster sizes that are multiples of A > 4 blocks and to issue sequential I/O operations in multiples of  > 4 blocks.     OK. thanks for clearing that up.  E Is Rdb tuned for these controllers, i.e. does it detect and adapt its  behavior  E OTOH, should a DBA simply set storage area page sizes to multiples of " four when using these controllers?   Cheers,  jec    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2005 10:42:57 -0700 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com, Subject: Re: Printer for Vaxstation 4000 VLCC Message-ID: <1124991777.501133.319280@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: K > I have a customer who needs a good printer to replace DEC Laser  2100 and  > 5100 > C > Any suggestions as to what could be a reliable and cost effective  > replacement ?  > Needs a serial port  >  > Thanks >  >  >  > --    @ What kind of printing?  Just text/pcl?  Or do they want to print (postscript) graphics?  G We do not like the 1xxx and 2xxx Laserjets; HP crippled the PCL in many G of those units; they cannot do some of the soft font and image handling D that the older Laserjet 4/5/6 and the current 4xxx/5xxx printers do;B this caused us huge problems with some complicated forms software.F Needless to say nothing that the wintel print drivers use was affectedC but we were told (verbally, couldn't get them to put it in writing) B that the 1xxx and 2xxx printers were no longer considered suitableF general purpose units for nonwindows/mac usage because of the changes.  ? If they want to print DECwindows graphics, seriously consider a A postscript capable unit.  We've been happy with the 4xxx and 5xxx F units.  Mostly we run them with jetdirects using TELNETSYM these days,A but the connectity card that provides a serial port is also still # available for customers like yours.    Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:39:36 -0400 * From: "d b turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>, Subject: Re: Printer for Vaxstation 4000 VLC5 Message-ID: <EssPe.851$7F.475@bignews3.bellsouth.net>   	 just text    dt& <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote in message = news:1124991777.501133.319280@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... / > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: L >> I have a customer who needs a good printer to replace DEC Laser  2100 and >> 5100  >>D >> Any suggestions as to what could be a reliable and cost effective >> replacement ? >> Needs a serial port >>	 >> Thanks  >> >> >> >> --  >  > B > What kind of printing?  Just text/pcl?  Or do they want to print > (postscript) graphics? > I > We do not like the 1xxx and 2xxx Laserjets; HP crippled the PCL in many I > of those units; they cannot do some of the soft font and image handling F > that the older Laserjet 4/5/6 and the current 4xxx/5xxx printers do;D > this caused us huge problems with some complicated forms software.H > Needless to say nothing that the wintel print drivers use was affectedE > but we were told (verbally, couldn't get them to put it in writing) D > that the 1xxx and 2xxx printers were no longer considered suitableH > general purpose units for nonwindows/mac usage because of the changes. > A > If they want to print DECwindows graphics, seriously consider a C > postscript capable unit.  We've been happy with the 4xxx and 5xxx H > units.  Mostly we run them with jetdirects using TELNETSYM these days,C > but the connectity card that provides a serial port is also still % > available for customers like yours.  >  > Rich >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:39:59 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: Printer for Vaxstation 4000 VLC+ Message-ID: <430E64DF.96335A06@comcast.net>    d b turner wrote:  >  > just text   0 Might a serial -> parallel converter do the job?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:42:08 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: Printer for Vaxstation 4000 VLC+ Message-ID: <430E6560.73A9BFF9@comcast.net>    d b turner wrote:  >  > just text   D DUH! I'm an idiot - have you looked into DB9 to USB patch cables? IfC they work for PC related things, I wonder if they'd work for async. % serial interface to a VAX or Alpha...   G A fair number of printers these days are coming out with USB instead of 	 parallel.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:32:00 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Re: Queue Manager Question , Message-ID: <430E0E9D.13F8E4F5@teksavvy.com>   Ferry Bolhar wrote: B > We have a special device to which print jobs are sent by several > applications. M > However, it is important that these jobs aren't sent too fast and that they  > are  > sent in a given order.  B Os others have stated, /SCHEDULE=NOSIZE will remove any logic that reorders jobs.  6 I am curious however about the "aren't sent too fast".  G If it is a question of feeding some special form to the printer, if the C printer runs out of forms, doesn't it just wait  until the paper is , loaded and any jobs in the queue just wait ?  K > At regular intervals, a process looks in the ACP_QUEUE and,  if there are T > jobs,  submits them to the target queue while waiting several seconds between each > job submission.   E If you have control over the applications, why not get them to submit F all jobs /HOLD and then your process would only need to SET JOB/NOHOLD@ and not have to resubmit the jobs. This way, it si not only moreF efficient, but the jobs retain their original data (user who submitted it etc etc).  E Another way to achieve this is to make ACQ_QUEUE a generic queue that E points to your real print queue. You can then play with STOP/START on G the generic queue as you wish, and just starting the queue will allow a H job to go to the execution queue. No need to resubmit it, and again, the< job maintains the original data of who submitted it etc etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:04:43 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: RQZX1 docs - Message-ID: <87mzn59190.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   > Anyone know where I can find them? This will be for an 11 btw.       --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:06:46 -0700 " From: Eric Bruno <eric@ebruno.org>' Subject: Saw this in CareerBuilder FYI. 1 Message-ID: <rcKdnQOescS19pPeRVn-og@giganews.com>   g http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?SiteID=cbdetshr&Job_DID=J3F7Q85YV9X7J3F2H85    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:19:36 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> * Subject: Re: Simh. How to triple the speed, Message-ID: <430E0BB7.2B0DB87F@teksavvy.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:H >    You mean when it's idle?  Some VAX simulators (both Charon and SIMHI >    IIRC) will detect the loop that VMS goes into at the end of shutting + >    down, and break out of the simulation.     F Have the writers of SimH and Charron VAX asked the VMS engineers if itE were possible to provide a user writter iddle loop ? (eg: some sysgen 2 parameter or just replacing some shareable image).  ? This way, they could plug in an "iddle loop" which would do the H equivalent of a LIB$WAITEF or whatever until resources are needed again.  G Out of curiosity, what does the VMS iddle loop look like ? Is it just a A raw "goto myself" efficient infinite loop which relies on process H management to give it CPU and remove CPU access, or does the loop run inF a deeper mode and has some sort of check (flag, event flag etc) insideG the loop to see if it should exit and return control to the rest of the  system ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:14:40 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> * Subject: Re: Simh. How to triple the speed0 Message-ID: <11gs9e0620aut25@corp.supernews.com>   Thierry Dussuet wrote:9 > On 2005-08-25, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:  >  >>healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: >>, >>>Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote: >>>  >>>  >>>>$! CALCULATE_VUPS: >>>>$! >>>>$ set noon, >>>>$ orig_privs        = f$setprv("ALTPRI"), >>>>$ process_priority  = f$getjpi(0,"PRIB")O >>>>$ cpu_multiplier    = 10                        ! VAX = 10 - Alpha/AXP = 40 O >>>>$ cpu_round_add     =  1                        ! VAX =  1 - Alpha/AXP =  9  >>< >>This is a AlphaStation 200 4/233, hardware model type 1151
 >>$ @calcvups ( >>Approximate System VUPs Rating :  22.8 >>K >>I'd stir the pot concerning VAX vs Alpha, but benchmarks I've run in the  # >>past show the Alpha to be faster.  >>3 >>Me thinks the DCL procedure needs some tinkering.  >  > < > Just the two lines above, cpu_multiplier and cpu_round_add > 	 > Thierry   E I wasn't paying attention when I scanned the procedure.  Another 'ah  
 shit' for me.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2005 14:13:24 -0700* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>* Subject: Re: Simh. How to triple the speedC Message-ID: <1125004404.222063.158030@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   H > Ok, thanks. I didn't realise that Charon can now emulate an SMP VAX on > an SMP host.  A This capability is essential for reaching the high end of the VAX  martket.  D Using the CHARON-VAX 6630 Plus product, SRI got 258 VUPs (on a 4-way Winbox).  G Funny, when you tackle SMP successfully, it's easy to add more emulated C processors.  Expect a 6660 announcement from SRI next week.  Should  produce 400+ VUPs.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2005 14:22:53 -0700* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>* Subject: Re: Simh. How to triple the speedC Message-ID: <1125004973.656414.293540@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote: H > Have the writers of SimH and Charron VAX asked the VMS engineers if itG > were possible to provide a user writter iddle loop ? (eg: some sysgen 4 > parameter or just replacing some shareable image).  ? Since none of the systems I'm replacing are V7.3 (over half are ? V5.5-x), I'm sure this would be waaaaay down the priority list.   F Actually, there's already a way to create a kernel-code module to hookF into the idle loop.  CHARON-VAX comes with such a module, for V5.5 andF V7.3.  It uses an out-of-band (not part of the emulated VAX) mechanism@ to tell the emulator to sleep until a VAX interrupt comes along.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:35:51 -0500 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org>  Subject: Re: Unicode on VMS 5 Message-ID: <slrndgs0bn.4gu.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   k In article <gsnPe.11123$IM1.289@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Malmberg <malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp> wrote:  > D > Does "cat" or "vi" on LINUX handle UNICODE?  How about notepad on  > Microsoft Windows?  F Yep, my Linux system is entirely Unicode aware -- UTF-8, specifically.  E No idea about Notepad on Windows. I do know Windows has had supported 5 Unicode for some time now, and I believe, also MacOS.   . > How do you view Unicode files on LINUX/UNIX?  = Via utilities like cat, more, less, vim, emacs, pico, nano...   H I also have other tools capable of UTF-8 support such as my mail client,& IRC client, IM client, amongst others.  C I've got a JPEG screenshot of a xterm window under Linux displaying G contents of a single file which has mixed ASCII and Cyrillic, thanks to  UTF-8 support.   -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:03:58 +0200 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Subject: Re: Unicode on VMS < Message-ID: <430e080a$0$75805$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk>   Dan Foster wrote: m > In article <gsnPe.11123$IM1.289@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Malmberg <malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp> wrote: D >>Does "cat" or "vi" on LINUX handle UNICODE?  How about notepad on  >>Microsoft Windows? > H > Yep, my Linux system is entirely Unicode aware -- UTF-8, specifically. > G > No idea about Notepad on Windows. I do know Windows has had supported 7 > Unicode for some time now, and I believe, also MacOS.    Yes.  5 Notepad actually do support Unicode both as UTF-8 and  UTF-16.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:37:17 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Unicode on VMS , Message-ID: <430E0FDA.C9CB380E@teksavvy.com>   denny wrote: > F > A client has now asked me 3 times in the last year and a half, "Does > VMS support UNICODE?",      F VMS doesn't have inherent support of Unicode. However, there are a fewH utilities that run on VMS that do. ICONV is one. But for real support of< Unicode, you need to instal an optional saveset from the VMS> distribution because the default distribution doesn't load the> translation tables for the more common unicode character sets.   HELP ICONV for more info.   F The ICONV CONVERT functionality is also in teh C run time library so C programs can make use of it.  A Since very few desktop applications on VMS were written after the F introduction of unicode, and since development of desktop applicationsC on VMS by the owners of VMS has basically stoppped, they don't have  inherent support of Unicode.  H However, an application such as Mozilla whih is available on VMS (Alpha)8 should be able to handle come unicode (especially UTF8).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:20:34 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Unicode on VMS , Message-ID: <430E19FB.32450D92@teksavvy.com>   Dan Foster wrote: G > No idea about Notepad on Windows. I do know Windows has had supported 7 > Unicode for some time now, and I believe, also MacOS.   F The PSION Series 5 PDA was the first implementation of a new OS called6 EPOC-32, later renamed EPOC, later renamed Symbian OS.  D The hooks for Unicode were all in, but none of the applications wereD compiled with unicode support. So it was NOT a unicode machine. WhenF Nokia et all took over from PSION, one of the first releases of the OSG they made had the unicode switch set to "ON" and all apps were compiled  with unicode support.   G This meant that an application written on the Series 5 could not run on E a newer version of the OS even if the hardwrae and OS were compatible  and vice versa.   D It is one thing to be able to store a stream of bytes in a file, butG another to provide arguments to routines and setup data structures that  the OS understands.   F VMS is not natively unicode. It is natively ASCII-8, and I am not sure: if it is natively DEC-Multinational or ISO-8859-1 anymore.  F But it is possible to write applications which support data in unicodeD representation. But when you make system calls, the strings you passH shouldn't be unicode. (for instance a logical name shouldn't be unicode, but its contents could be)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:57:41 -0400 2 From: Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@TrashThis.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Unicode on VMS 0 Message-ID: <zp-dnSn3Nr5L0ZPeRVn-jw@comcast.com>   John Malmberg wrote: > D > Does "cat" or "vi" on LINUX handle UNICODE?  How about notepad on  > Microsoft Windows?  5 Notepad v5.1 (part of XP SP2) seems to support these: - ANSI, Unicode, Unicode big endian, and UTF-8.  --   Cheers, Bob    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:23:03 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> F Subject: Re: US Govt hack attacks from China rising ... on VMS I hope!0 Message-ID: <11gs9tooo5tcn05@corp.supernews.com>   Alan Greig wrote:  >  >  > bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > ' >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9071131/  >  > K > A university I am aware of has a large number of chinese students. These  J > chinese students quite naturally access web pages in their home country K > including chinese media sites. Web-bombs are triggered without the users  E > knowledge, by simply viewing the pages, via known flaws in various  9 > browers. Backdoors into the systems are then left open.  > I > Allegedly many of these attacks were tracked back by the university to  F > official Chinese government sites. Although that does not prove the E > Chinese authorities themselves were behind the attacks - their own  J > security could be incredibly lax -  but it does leave cause for thought.  D One has to wonder about the intended targets of such.  The chi-coms G (always liked that term Terry Shannon used) may be targeting their own   people more than outsiders.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2005 20:54:18 -0500' From: jim@info2.uah.edu (Jim McCullars) " Subject: VMS performance measuring( Message-ID: <delsoa$bkg$1@info2.uah.edu>  
 Greetings:  K    We are an education site running SCT Banner and are using an AlphaServer J ES40 (2@677 mHz, 12 gb RAM) as the Oracle back-end.  The storage is a pairL of dual-redundant HSZ70's with 36gb drives.  We are experiencing some severeH performance problems, especially at registration time (this is our firstH semester under Banner, and the ES40 was used to run our previous studentK system).  The CPU and memory utilization do not seem to the be the problem, K it all seems tied to direct I/O.  We are seeing response times sometimes in H seconds.  Our vendor has gone through our Oracle parameters with us, andJ says that we have done almost everything we can do, software-wise (and theH last thing he suggests, we will do over the weekend).  So my question isH basically this.  If it turns out that a hardware upgrade is needed, whatI is the best way to tell whether the I/O bottleneck is in the PCI bus, the I HSZ70, or the drives themselves?  We have been kicking around the idea of G putting in a fiber-channel SAN, but if the bottleneck is in the PCI bus H in the ES40, that obviously won't help us.  What should I be looking at? TIA...  
 Jim McCullars # University of Alabama in Huntsville    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Aug 2005 20:48:24 -0700 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au& Subject: Re: VMS performance measuringA Message-ID: <1125028104.723644.3070@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   = What cache policy and cache settings are you using on the hsz  controllers? Phil   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.475 ************************