1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 27 Aug 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 477       Contents: Re: Adding users RE: Adding users Re: Adding users Re: Adding users Re: BNC to VGA adapter! Re: CHARON-VAX freeware available  Re: Copying jar on OpenVMS Re: Copying jar on OpenVMS* Re: HP to dump itanium - bring back alpha?/ Multiple email domains with TCPIP services SMTP 3 Re: Multiple email domains with TCPIP services SMTP 3 Re: Multiple email domains with TCPIP services SMTP 3 Re: Multiple email domains with TCPIP services SMTP ) Re: Optimum cluster size for EVA storage?  Re: Q3CY205 arrived... Re: Q3CY205 arrived... Re: Q3CY205 arrived... Re: Q3CY205 arrived... Re: Q3CY205 arrived..." Re: Saw this in CareerBuilder FYI.! Re: Simh. How to triple the speed ! Re: Simh. How to triple the speed ! Re: Simh. How to triple the speed ! Re: Simh. How to triple the speed  RE: VMS performance measuring   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:59:37 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Adding users , Message-ID: <430F5887.1C48F01E@teksavvy.com>   Joseph Huber wrote: 7 > I suggest to create a first account in group manually ? > (e.g. for the group administrator), so the identifiers exist, C > and the bulk procedure can generate all other UICs automatically.   ? One thing to remember. By default, the UAF> command "ADD" takes  "DEFAULT" as template.  E (one should really be able to specify a template for user creation in  the ADD command).   G ALL-IN-1 used its own account templates stored elsewhere and supplied a F whome bunch of data for each account creation, bypassing the "DEFAULT"F mechanism. It made it easy to have users from different profiles given6 different UAF parameters (as well as ALL-IN-1 params).  F One way to do this in DCL would be to designate account template UICs.F For instance for groupx X, the uic [X,1] would be an account template.  G Then, your procedure to add accounts would use the COPY command copying @ from that group's template to the new user, and specify only the, relevant fields (as well as /FLAG=NODISUSER)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:06:28 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: Adding users R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6B223F@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----$ > From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu=20A > [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon  > Sent: August 26, 2005 6:54 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Re: Adding users  >=20- > In article <$EALH1ugVsrZ@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>, 3 > 	huber@NOBODY-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) writes: : > > In article <430E644D.6B38A1F8@comcast.net>, David J=20. > Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:H > >> That looks like it depends on users always having a UIC identifier.! > >> Could be a brash assumption.  > > =20 3 > > For Bills purpose, I think it is not a problem: 9 > > I suggest to create a first account in group manually A > > (e.g. for the group administrator), so the identifiers exist, E > > and the bulk procedure can generate all other UICs automatically.  > > =20  >=20D > Actually, I have no problem with providing the UIC's manually as I6 > actually use them to differentiate classes of users. >=20 > bill >=20   Bill -  G As much as some folks hate using gui's, OpenVMS users can also be added E via point-click Windows based utility. Allows you to point-click-sort F various user fields. Storage and print queues can also be managed with this Windows based utility.   D Check out the OpenVMS Management Station (OMS): (sample screen shots there as well)1 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/argus/ B "OpenVMS Management Station is a powerful, Microsoft Windows basedA management tool for system managers and others who perform system H management tasks on OpenVMS systems. OpenVMS Management Station features( a powerful, intuitive user interface.=20  > System managers and help desk staff no longer need to rememberD complicated DCL syntax or command procedures to manage their OpenVMS@ systems. OpenVMS Management Station makes system management much easier!"  $ Another extract related to printers:* "Some of the tasks you can perform are:=20  ! - Monitor one or more printers=20 * - Examine and modify printer attributes=200 - Delete printers and their associated queues=200 - Create printers and their associated queues=20( - Examine and modify queue attributes=20C - Examine and modify job attributes, requeue jobs, and delete jobs"      Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:50:33 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Adding users , Message-ID: <430FC6E7.7BDFB0D8@teksavvy.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:I > As much as some folks hate using gui's, OpenVMS users can also be added G > via point-click Windows based utility. Allows you to point-click-sort H > various user fields. Storage and print queues can also be managed with > this Windows based utility.     N The OP needs to do mass additions. GUIs are ill suited to automate such tasks.   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Aug 2005 02:37:24 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Adding users * Message-ID: <3na1v4Fj6s6U1@individual.net>  R In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6B223F@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>,* 	"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: >> -----Original Message----- % >> From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu=20 B >> [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon  >> Sent: August 26, 2005 6:54 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: Re: Adding users >>=20 . >> In article <$EALH1ugVsrZ@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>,4 >> 	huber@NOBODY-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) writes:; >> > In article <430E644D.6B38A1F8@comcast.net>, David J=20 / >> Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: I >> >> That looks like it depends on users always having a UIC identifier. " >> >> Could be a brash assumption. >> > =204 >> > For Bills purpose, I think it is not a problem:: >> > I suggest to create a first account in group manuallyB >> > (e.g. for the group administrator), so the identifiers exist,F >> > and the bulk procedure can generate all other UICs automatically. >> > =20 >>=20 E >> Actually, I have no problem with providing the UIC's manually as I 7 >> actually use them to differentiate classes of users.  >>=20  >> bill  >>=20  >  > Bill - > I > As much as some folks hate using gui's, OpenVMS users can also be added G > via point-click Windows based utility. Allows you to point-click-sort H > various user fields. Storage and print queues can also be managed with > this Windows based utility.  > F > Check out the OpenVMS Management Station (OMS): (sample screen shots > there as well)3 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/argus/ D > "OpenVMS Management Station is a powerful, Microsoft Windows basedC > management tool for system managers and others who perform system J > management tasks on OpenVMS systems. OpenVMS Management Station features* > a powerful, intuitive user interface.=20 > @ > System managers and help desk staff no longer need to rememberF > complicated DCL syntax or command procedures to manage their OpenVMSB > systems. OpenVMS Management Station makes system management much
 > easier!" > & > Another extract related to printers:, > "Some of the tasks you can perform are:=20 > # > - Monitor one or more printers=20 , > - Examine and modify printer attributes=202 > - Delete printers and their associated queues=202 > - Create printers and their associated queues=20* > - Examine and modify queue attributes=20E > - Examine and modify job attributes, requeue jobs, and delete jobs"  >   H I have been meaning to look at that, but at this point it would probablyC take me longer to get it set up than to just create the users.  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:08:13 +0300 , From: Veli Korkko <vtk-poistatama-@netti.fi> Subject: Re: BNC to VGA adapter 9 Message-ID: <iUIPe.13103$LH.6788@reader1.news.jippii.net>    GreyCloud wrote: > William Webb wrote:  > 1 >>On 8/24/05, GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:  >>= >>>Does anyone know where I can obtain a BNC to VGA adapter??  >>>  >>G >>I trust that you're talking about something to take RGB sync-on-green G >>output for something like a VAXstation 4000 VLC and turn it into DB15 	 >>output?  >>O >>DEC had a xx-xxxxx-xx part, if you search c.o.v., I know it was posted there. 2 >>Also I understand that Black Box makes one also. >> >  > 0 > I tried them and they don't seem to sell them.8 > I've got the old DEC part no. but can't seem to find a > vendor for it.    C Maybe 29-32549-01 RGB to svga adapter might be of some help to you. A We seem to two in stock right now locally so I would expect other ( HP service orgs do have it stocked also.   _veli    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2005 14:52:19 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: CHARON-VAX freeware available3 Message-ID: <Q5htRgjqi5bI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <8660a3a105082609593c4af4a0@mail.gmail.com>, William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> writes: N > On 26 Aug 2005 11:19:24 -0500, Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@spamcop.net> wrot= > e:M >> In article <11gu481tna11k60@corp.supernews.com>, "David Turner, Island Co= + > mputers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> writes: M >> > How about a little DS10L 466Mhz EV6 workhorse with 256MB, CDROM Floppy =  > Dual( >> > ethernet 10/100 and a 30GB IDE Disk >> >I >> > We have a special running in September for $549 (with 1 yr warranty)  >> >' >> > That's cheaper than a G4 or P4/AMD  >>=20 9 >> But I hear you can get the G4 or P4/AMD by mail order.  >>=20  > ' > And Island does what?  Teleportation?   A In my experience, accept orders by mail is what they do _not_ do. D Our order and check were returned with no explanation other than the' fact that they wanted to talk by phone.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2005 11:34:20 -07002 From: "Martin Stauber" <stauber@biomed.ee.ethz.ch># Subject: Re: Copying jar on OpenVMS C Message-ID: <1125081260.850389.231650@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   4 Thank's everybody for the hints. Setting the logical7 JAVA$SHOW_FILENAME_MAPPING showed that the mapping was:   @ open_Jacket: Mapped: images/fileopen.png To: images/fileopen.png  D and thus, the program was obviously searching the folder images/ for
 the files.  G The thing I don't understand now is that the application obviously does F not search for the images directory in the directory, where the jar isD located, but in the current default directory. Since I always used aA symbol, to launch the application from my data directory, I never  realized this problem.  E However, I guess I can solve the problem now with a small DCL script.    Thank's for your Help  Martin   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:01:36 +0200 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk># Subject: Re: Copying jar on OpenVMS < Message-ID: <430f670b$0$23106$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk>   Martin Stauber wrote: 6 > Thank's everybody for the hints. Setting the logical9 > JAVA$SHOW_FILENAME_MAPPING showed that the mapping was:  > B > open_Jacket: Mapped: images/fileopen.png To: images/fileopen.png > F > and thus, the program was obviously searching the folder images/ for > the files. > I > The thing I don't understand now is that the application obviously does H > not search for the images directory in the directory, where the jar isF > located, but in the current default directory. Since I always used aC > symbol, to launch the application from my data directory, I never  > realized this problem. > G > However, I guess I can solve the problem now with a small DCL script.   + It is no surprise that a relative file path 3 is relative to current dir and not to the jar file.   
 If you do:   $ RUN [OTHERDIR]FOOBAR.EXE  5 then if FOOBAR.EXE uses [.IMAGES]FILEOPEN.PNG is also . relative to current dir and not to [OTHERDIR].  0 But you should get the image from within the JAR file as a ressource.  , And if you post your code I can explain how.   Arne   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 03:28:18 +0000 (UTC) $ From: Lee Witten <nospam@nospam.com>3 Subject: Re: HP to dump itanium - bring back alpha? / Message-ID: <Xns96BEEEC26A28Addon@199.125.85.9>   G "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote in news:rFKOe.10865$BX7.7418  @news.cpqcorp.net:C > I have no argument with that.  There are people who never trusted = > DEC again when they dumped the DEC-10 (they congregate in a  > folklore newsgroup).    F That, and alt.sys.pdp10, but it's not just folklore, there are pdp10s 1 still in production use (emulated and otherwise).   - > There are people who never trusted us again @ > when the VAX was dropped, when Windows was dropped from Alpha,% > when Alpha was dropped for Itanium.   + I'm still pissed off about the Rainbow! :-)   @ > Each time we lost customers and made some people unhappy.  Not= > much that can be done about it.  Ken is gone, Bob Palmer is ; > gone, Capellas is gond, Carly is gone.  We're still here.  > F > Do we know what is in store for the future?  Our best guess, and allH > information *we* have is that Itanium will continue to be our strategyD > going forward.  Many customers and ISV's believe it and are moving > forward with their plans.   2 Personally, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.   --lw--   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2005 13:33:55 -0700 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com8 Subject: Multiple email domains with TCPIP services SMTPC Message-ID: <1125088435.538045.264160@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G We currently have a couple customers who have two email domains handled F by their alphaservers.  Its a bit of cheating in that any username canE accept mail addressed to 'username'@eitherdomain.com but its adequate E to current needs.  It looks like thats going to change, and soon, but A I'm hoping that TCPIP Services can handle it.  If not, there's no C budget for PMDF or MX, so the VMS system will probably be displaced 5 from mail handling... I really don't want to do that.   ? Can TCPIP services SMTP, any recent version, actually segregate B allowable users by domain (so there's a domain associated with anyB particular user, and 'username@otherdomain' won't be accepted) andC potentially forward mail for all users in one domain to a different  mail server?  E Alternatively (and I've asked this before but haven't found an answer G yet) can a VMS Alpha system running recent or current TCPIP services be D set up to be the secondary MX server (store and forward box) for oneB domain while still accepting and keeping mail locally for users inA another domain?  It amounts to somewhat the same result as above.   ? Or is the only alternative to upgrade to PMDF or perhaps MX (or + Communigate or other third party solution)?   	 Thanks...  Rich   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2005 15:14:43 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com < Subject: Re: Multiple email domains with TCPIP services SMTPB Message-ID: <1125094483.822079.91530@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  E how about yahmail ... the free web mail package from Mark Daniels ???    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2005 15:20:46 -0700 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com< Subject: Re: Multiple email domains with TCPIP services SMTPC Message-ID: <1125094846.292503.290410@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   B Yahmail is a webmail interface, not an SMTP implementation, unless@ something has changed greatly since I last used it.  Its a great- product but not applicable to this situation.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:45:27 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> < Subject: Re: Multiple email domains with TCPIP services SMTP, Message-ID: <430FC5B6.AE2550B8@teksavvy.com>   jordan@ccs4vms.com wrote: A > Can TCPIP services SMTP, any recent version, actually segregate D > allowable users by domain (so there's a domain associated with anyD > particular user, and 'username@otherdomain' won't be accepted) andE > potentially forward mail for all users in one domain to a different  > mail server?    D It can accept email on behalf of another host/domain and relay it to that domain.  @ So node 1 could receive emails for chocolate.com and vanilla.org  D Emails destined for chocolate.com would be processed locally by nodeC chocolate. Emails destined for vanilla.org would be received by the H chocolate.com receiver, passed to its symbiont who would then deliver it to vanilla.org    F For this to happen, you'd need to do DNS tricks so that MX records forE vanilla.org point to node chocolate.com from the internet, but in the D intranet, it would point to vanilla (so that when chocolate wants toA deliver to vanilla it goes to vanilla instead of going to itself.   @ You would also need to setup vanilla.org as a local host so that+ relaying to it is allowed from the outside.     E With a single node, because the TCPIP Services rely on VMSmail, there 9 isn't a way to differentiate between an email adressed to B support@chocolate.com and support@vanilla.org, as both would go to# username "support" on the one node.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:24:46 -0600 4 From: Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>2 Subject: Re: Optimum cluster size for EVA storage?* Message-ID: <430F889E.2BF57726@oracle.com>  ; If you consider the physical layout of a storage area file, 8 you'll discover that there is nothing that you can do to; make any difference at all.  The first block of the storage 4 area is the prologue and is fixed at one block long.; 25 years ago one might have been tempted to consider making 7 the prologue be the size of a page.  But that chance is ; loooooong gone.  So I'd suggest focusing on database design 6 without regard to the cluster size for the time being.   Hein wrote:  > : > "Jeff Chimene" <jchimene@earthlink.net> wrote in message> > news:aBnPe.1610$Wd7.1246@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > Norman Lastovica wrote:  > 4 > >> has nothing at all to do with Rdb specifically.E > >> It is an issue with the storage controllers.  The recommendation D > >> is to initialize disks with cluster sizes that are multiples ofD > >> 4 blocks and to issue sequential I/O operations in multiples of > >> 4 blocks. > > $ > > OK. thanks for clearing that up. > > I > > Is Rdb tuned for these controllers, i.e. does it detect and adapt its  > > behavior > J > What part of  "has nothing at all to do with Rdb" do you not understand?	 > :-) :-)  > G > Nor RDB itself do not, and should not, care about the unlying storage 
 > attributes. N > RDB db manager shoudl of course care from the perspectives of  availability, > capacity, performance,...  > I > > OTOH, should a DBA simply set storage area page sizes to multiples of & > > four when using these controllers? > N > Yes, they should set the VMS CLUSTER SIZE to mutliples of 4 for Vraid5 units
 > on EVA'sG > This is just a first step to ensure that significant IOs start as LBN 4 > (Logical Block Numbers) which are a multiple of 4.K > The Cluster size setting garantuees that files at least start out evenly. I > If the applications then continues on reading in 'even' chunks (and RDB # > will) then all is well (optimal).  >  > Hein.    --  	 - - - - - 0  opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone.  and certainly are not intended in any way to 0  express or represent any opinions or commitment  of oracle corporation.   *  norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:54:18 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Q3CY205 arrived... 0 Message-ID: <00A48DD6.7FB3FFCE@SendSpamHere.ORG>  i In article <1125075402.995797.48120@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes: F >> Q3CY2005 SPL, SDL and an Alpha F/W update just arrived.  Before Q3!  & That was supposed to read Q4 not Q3...      9 >You sure you're not getting your's by Canada Post?   :-)  > , >The rest of us had the Q3 condist for ages.  L Bugger if I know.  The box had a UPS label.  Perhaps that means Unbelievably Pathetically S-L-O-W.   > Strangely, the Q2CY2005 came only about 2 weeks prior to this. --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 26 Aug 2005 19:44:46 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Q3CY205 arrived... * Message-ID: <3n99peFgdm6U1@individual.net>  0 In article <00A48DD6.7FB3FFCE@sendspamhere.org>,# 	VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: k > In article <1125075402.995797.48120@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes: G >>> Q3CY2005 SPL, SDL and an Alpha F/W update just arrived.  Before Q3!  > ( > That was supposed to read Q4 not Q3... >  >  > : >>You sure you're not getting your's by Canada Post?   :-) >>- >>The rest of us had the Q3 condist for ages.  > N > Bugger if I know.  The box had a UPS label.  Perhaps that means Unbelievably > Pathetically S-L-O-W.   @ Why don't you try plugging the tracking number into the UPS site; before they expire it and see when HP actually sent it out.    > @ > Strangely, the Q2CY2005 came only about 2 weeks prior to this.   Even UPS isn't that slow.  :-)  C Actually, I find UPS to be quite good.  I order parts for my MG and C Triumph from a dealer in NJ and if I get my order in before 4:00 PM B I usually have the parts on my porch when I get home the next day.( And that is just bare-bones UPS Ground!!   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:33:06 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Q3CY205 arrived... 0 Message-ID: <00A48DF5.10CA6E75@SendSpamHere.ORG>  U In article <3n99peFgdm6U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: 1 >In article <00A48DD6.7FB3FFCE@sendspamhere.org>, $ >	VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:l >> In article <1125075402.995797.48120@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes:H >>>> Q3CY2005 SPL, SDL and an Alpha F/W update just arrived.  Before Q3! >>  ) >> That was supposed to read Q4 not Q3...  >>   >>   >>  ; >>>You sure you're not getting your's by Canada Post?   :-)  >>> . >>>The rest of us had the Q3 condist for ages. >>  O >> Bugger if I know.  The box had a UPS label.  Perhaps that means Unbelievably  >> Pathetically S-L-O-W. > A >Why don't you try plugging the tracking number into the UPS site < >before they expire it and see when HP actually sent it out. >  >>  A >> Strangely, the Q2CY2005 came only about 2 weeks prior to this.  >  >Even UPS isn't that slow.  :-)  > D >Actually, I find UPS to be quite good.  I order parts for my MG andD >Triumph from a dealer in NJ and if I get my order in before 4:00 PMC >I usually have the parts on my porch when I get home the next day. ) >And that is just bare-bones UPS Ground!!     E Bill, it's not UPS... that was a joke.  The problem lies within HP...  that's Hopelessly Pathetic HP.   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 26 Aug 2005 22:57:06 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Q3CY205 arrived... * Message-ID: <3n9l22Fi7cuU2@individual.net>  0 In article <00A48DF5.10CA6E75@sendspamhere.org>,# 	VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: W > In article <3n99peFgdm6U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: 2 >>In article <00A48DD6.7FB3FFCE@sendspamhere.org>,% >>	VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: m >>> In article <1125075402.995797.48120@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes: I >>>>> Q3CY2005 SPL, SDL and an Alpha F/W update just arrived.  Before Q3!  >>> * >>> That was supposed to read Q4 not Q3... >>>  >>>  >>> < >>>>You sure you're not getting your's by Canada Post?   :-) >>>>/ >>>>The rest of us had the Q3 condist for ages.  >>> P >>> Bugger if I know.  The box had a UPS label.  Perhaps that means Unbelievably >>> Pathetically S-L-O-W.  >>B >>Why don't you try plugging the tracking number into the UPS site= >>before they expire it and see when HP actually sent it out.  >> >>> B >>> Strangely, the Q2CY2005 came only about 2 weeks prior to this. >>  >>Even UPS isn't that slow.  :-) >>E >>Actually, I find UPS to be quite good.  I order parts for my MG and E >>Triumph from a dealer in NJ and if I get my order in before 4:00 PM D >>I usually have the parts on my porch when I get home the next day.* >>And that is just bare-bones UPS Ground!! >  > G > Bill, it's not UPS... that was a joke.  The problem lies within HP...   > that's Hopelessly Pathetic HP. >   ? I didn't figure it was UPS.  I figured the tracking information > would show everyone once and for all that HP was way behind in@ sending it out and UPS probably took the usual 3 days to deliver it.  :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:49:21 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Q3CY205 arrived... , Message-ID: <430FC69F.FCA608F6@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:A > I didn't figure it was UPS.  I figured the tracking information @ > would show everyone once and for all that HP was way behind inB > sending it out and UPS probably took the usual 3 days to deliver
 > it.  :-)    H My *feeling* is that the folks who are running the programme have poorlyT integrated and performaing systems/software to handle this and many get "forgotten".  G VAXMAN is probably consistently being forgotten by the  software and he E needs to remind them that he hasdn't received it, at which point they 4 must manually obtain the kit and send it out to him.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:22:08 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)+ Subject: Re: Saw this in CareerBuilder FYI. 6 Message-ID: <00A48DC9.9F9925D6@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  c In article <dWTyuc1Vlezp@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: W >In article <rcKdnQOescS19pPeRVn-og@giganews.com>, Eric Bruno <eric@ebruno.org> writes: j >> http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?SiteID=cbdetshr&Job_DID=J3F7Q85YV9X7J3F2H85 > % >And what is your question about it ?  > E >It is generally annoying to post a naked URL without explaining what 0 >aspect of it you think is worthy of discussion.  N He has no question; that's why he said "FYI".  I guessed by looking at the URLM "careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx" that it was a job listing. O I looked.  It was.  (Curiously enough, one local to me.  Not that I'm looking.)    -- Alan    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:07:07 +0000 (UTC) $ From: Lee Witten <nospam@nospam.com>* Subject: Re: Simh. How to triple the speed. Message-ID: <Xns96BF1339DDC6ddon@199.125.85.9>  - "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote in < news:1124848870.716917.115110@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:   , > On 23 Aug 2005 at 23:21, Dan Foster wrote:A >> Just ask.  It's called "Accelerated CPU Emulation".  It caches A > frequent sequences of instructions and pre-compiles them.  It's 2 > available in the "Plus" versions of the product.  J Sounds like something I read about in the DTJ around 10 or so years ago...  E > The biggest issue is knowing where the idle loop is in an operating F > system.  Or even knowing what operating system is in use (we support! > VAXeln and Digital Unix, too).    I One of my perverse hobbies was reading the source code for the idle loop  M (called idle_thread()) in DU, from the very first drops from OSF/RI (back in  M the MIPS PMAX days) through DU 5.  Boy, did that code grow!  At first it was  K the simple spin loop that only broke when the cpu got an interrupt (either  E due to I/O completion, timer expiry, or an inter-processor interrupt  N triggered by another cpu).  Then, various hackers added more and more garbage I to it.  I imagine detecting what truly is the idle loop part of the idle   thread is very hard to do!  " > Since CHARON-VAX is intended forD > server applications, most customers don't care that 1 processor is > running 100%.    I agree.   --lw--   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:08:24 +0000 (UTC) $ From: Lee Witten <nospam@nospam.com>* Subject: Re: Simh. How to triple the speed. Message-ID: <Xns96BF16AB6FF6ddon@199.125.85.9>  ) Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> wrote in  - news:slrndgnifc.omk.usenet@zappy.catbert.org:    > Thanks for VUPS.COM. >  > My system: > G >      3.0 GHz Pentium 4 + 800 MHz FSB + 1 MB L2 cache + Hyperthreading  >           ("Northwood") < >      OS: Linux (2.6.12 kernel with SMP enabled for HT use)+ >      Load avg of 0.60 before running SIMH   L This doesn't sound right.  Maybe you should put the system into single user C mode to see what performance can be achieved on a more idle system?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:39:00 -0500 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> * Subject: Re: Simh. How to triple the speed5 Message-ID: <slrndgvrj4.4gu.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   T In article <Xns96BF16AB6FF6ddon@199.125.85.9>, Lee Witten <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:+ > Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> wrote in  / > news:slrndgnifc.omk.usenet@zappy.catbert.org:  >  >> Thanks for VUPS.COM.  >>  
 >> My system:  >>  H >>      3.0 GHz Pentium 4 + 800 MHz FSB + 1 MB L2 cache + Hyperthreading >>           ("Northwood")= >>      OS: Linux (2.6.12 kernel with SMP enabled for HT use) , >>      Load avg of 0.60 before running SIMH > N > This doesn't sound right.  Maybe you should put the system into single user E > mode to see what performance can be achieved on a more idle system?   F I just did as you suggested. VUPS reported was 12.4 for all runs whileC in single user mode with a host system load average of 0.02 or less  prior to starting SIMH.    -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:39:50 -0500 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> * Subject: Re: Simh. How to triple the speed5 Message-ID: <slrndgvrkm.4gu.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   T In article <Xns96BF1339DDC6ddon@199.125.85.9>, Lee Witten <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:K > One of my perverse hobbies was reading the source code for the idle loop  O > (called idle_thread()) in DU, from the very first drops from OSF/RI (back in  O > the MIPS PMAX days) through DU 5.  Boy, did that code grow!  At first it was  M > the simple spin loop that only broke when the cpu got an interrupt (either  G > due to I/O completion, timer expiry, or an inter-processor interrupt  P > triggered by another cpu).  Then, various hackers added more and more garbage K > to it.  I imagine detecting what truly is the idle loop part of the idle   > thread is very hard to do!  G Just out of curiosity, what did they add to the idle loop for DU by v5?    -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:29:23 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> & Subject: RE: VMS performance measuringR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6B2240@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Jim McCullars [mailto:jim@info2.uah.edu]=20  > Sent: August 25, 2005 9:54 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com $ > Subject: VMS performance measuring >=20 > Greetings: >=20A >    We are an education site running SCT Banner and are using=20  > an AlphaServer= > ES40 (2@677 mHz, 12 gb RAM) as the Oracle back-end.  The=20  > storage is a pair 8 > of dual-redundant HSZ70's with 36gb drives.  We are=20 > experiencing some severe@ > performance problems, especially at registration time (this=20 > is our first< > semester under Banner, and the ES40 was used to run our=20 > previous student@ > system).  The CPU and memory utilization do not seem to the=20 > be the problem, = > it all seems tied to direct I/O.  We are seeing response=20  > times sometimes in@ > seconds.  Our vendor has gone through our Oracle parameters=20 > with us, and8 > says that we have done almost everything we can do,=20 > software-wise (and theA > last thing he suggests, we will do over the weekend).  So my=20 
 > question is @ > basically this.  If it turns out that a hardware upgrade is=20 > needed, whatA > is the best way to tell whether the I/O bottleneck is in the=20  > PCI bus, theB > HSZ70, or the drives themselves?  We have been kicking around=20
 > the idea of @ > putting in a fiber-channel SAN, but if the bottleneck is in=20
 > the PCI bus A > in the ES40, that obviously won't help us.  What should I be=20 
 > looking at?  > TIA... >=20 > Jim McCullars % > University of Alabama in Huntsville  >=20     Jim,  C Extreme IO like this is sometimes caused by DB / Application issues D which cause the DB to do sequential searches for data vs the indexesC defined on the various tables. When I used to do Rdb support (prior F lifetime), sometimes changing a query very minimally could result in a= single query response time dropping  from minutes to seconds.    A few misc questions:   E - What versions and patch levels of OpenVMS and Oracle are you using?   ' - has autogen (with feedback) been run?   H - please determine if the disk drives are excessively fragmented or not.C If the drives have been in use for a long time, then this is a real  possibility.=20   G - do a show device /full on each disk. If the highwater marking feature F is on and if there is a lot of writing, then this security feature mayF be contributing to some of the performance issues (especially if disksE are fragmented). If the additional security features is not required, E this feature (default=3Don) can be disabled on each drive with a $set  volume/nohighwater $1$duaxx.  E - Can your vendor determine that the Oracle indexes are being used or " are the acceses mostly sequential?  G - If running VMS V7.3-2, a reasonably recent Oracle suggestion has been F shown to increase Oracle performance on OpenVMS by roughly 20-30% (notE sure if these were actual numbers) is to install the Oracle.exe file. D However, to do this (Oracle support can likely assist with how to do/ this), you also need a recent OpenVMS patch.=20   
 Reference:H ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V7.3-2/VMS732_MANAGE-V0300.t xt 5.2.1.1  Problem Description:   9 Large performance improvements can be gained if Oracle is ; installed with /SHARE=3DADDRESS_DATA.  However, it can only 6 install that way if DISMNTSHR.EXE is also installed as; /SHARE=3DADDRESS_DATA.  This change allows DISMNTSHR.EXE to & be installed as /SHARE=3DADDRESS_DATA.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.477 ************************