1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 30 Aug 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 483       Contents: Re: Adding users Re: Adding users Re: Adding users Re: Adding users Re: Adding users Re: Adding users Re: Adding users Re: Adding users Re: Adding users Re: Adding users AlisaTalk for VMS? Re: AlisaTalk for VMS?D Re: AlphaServer 4100 CPU speed upgrade and/or backplane speed ranges! Re: CHARON-VAX freeware available   Re: disks in an ALPHAserver 2x00  Re: disks in an ALPHAserver 2x00  Re: disks in an ALPHAserver 2x00 Gamers
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 Re: Gamers Re: MA8000/MA12000 - supportB Re: Multiheaded ATI Radeon 7500 using both VGA and DVI connectionsB Re: Multiheaded ATI Radeon 7500 using both VGA and DVI connectionsB Re: Multiheaded ATI Radeon 7500 using both VGA and DVI connections. OT: .com spending no longer and porting issues  Re: simh with logical networking Re: VMS performance measuring  Re: VMS performance measuring  Re: VMS performance measuring   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 29 Aug 2005 18:56:56 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Adding users + Message-ID: <3nh43oF1gj58U1@individual.net>   R In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6B2248@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>,* 	"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: >  > E > Bill also mentioned he wanted to maintain this list and while a DCL C > routine can be used to do the initial load, I suspect the ongoing G > maintenance of student ID's is a lot of work i.e. changes, additions,  > deletions etc.=20  > G > Hence, the 10-15 minutes required to setup a Windows based utility to F > manage the OpenVMS resources *might* be worth it - especially if youI > have junior Operations and/or support staff that is used to Windows GUI  > mgmt utilities.  >   E Kerry was right.  At least for small numbers of users this utility is G pretty good. Took about 5 minutes to put one class on.  Also looks like F if I need to tune the student accounts settings it will be pretty easy too.  J Of course, I have no printers yet so nothing to manage there.  And storageF shows nothing.  Can I assume that's because none of it is local to the# machine and all sist off on the CI?   E One quick question as well.  I have a separate disk for all my users. H Is there any way to make that the default when I create accounts instead of SYS$SYSDEVICE:?   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:15:53 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Adding users , Message-ID: <43135EDF.97291862@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:G > One quick question as well.  I have a separate disk for all my users. J > Is there any way to make that the default when I create accounts instead > of SYS$SYSDEVICE:?    E Not sure how it works if you use that Windows thing to manage serious  security on VMS.   But for AUTHORIZE:  " UAF> MOD DEFAULT/DEVICE=newdevice:   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:53:14 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: Adding users 0 Message-ID: <11h6pk48ffv9ja5@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > G >>One quick question as well.  I have a separate disk for all my users. J >>Is there any way to make that the default when I create accounts instead >>of SYS$SYSDEVICE:? >  >  > G > Not sure how it works if you use that Windows thing to manage serious  > security on VMS. >  > But for AUTHORIZE: > $ > UAF> MOD DEFAULT/DEVICE=newdevice:  I Any SYSUAF data fields that you don't specify will get their values from  C the DEFAULT SYSUAF record.  If the primary usage is students, then  H determine whatever 'standard' settings you want for students and modify C the DEFAULT user record with these values.  Then you won't have to  = specify those data fields when setting up new SYSUAF records.   E Some of my favorites, in addition to priviledges, and LGICMD, Flags,  @ PWDminimum, PWDlifetime, and of course all the quotas should be  customized for the platform.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 29 Aug 2005 20:20:42 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Adding users + Message-ID: <3nh90qF1hpm5U1@individual.net>   0 In article <11h6pk48ffv9ja5@corp.supernews.com>,* 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > JF Mezei wrote:  >> Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>  H >>>One quick question as well.  I have a separate disk for all my users.K >>>Is there any way to make that the default when I create accounts instead  >>>of SYS$SYSDEVICE:?  >>   >>   >>  H >> Not sure how it works if you use that Windows thing to manage serious >> security on VMS.  >>   >> But for AUTHORIZE:  >>  % >> UAF> MOD DEFAULT/DEVICE=newdevice:  > K > Any SYSUAF data fields that you don't specify will get their values from  E > the DEFAULT SYSUAF record.  If the primary usage is students, then  J > determine whatever 'standard' settings you want for students and modify E > the DEFAULT user record with these values.  Then you won't have to  ? > specify those data fields when setting up new SYSUAF records.  > G > Some of my favorites, in addition to priviledges, and LGICMD, Flags,  B > PWDminimum, PWDlifetime, and of course all the quotas should be  > customized for the platform. >   C So, are you saying that the Windows Program gets it's defaults from B SYSAUF as well and they are not something in the configuration of  the program itself?   0 That should be easy enough to fix then.  Thanks.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 29 Aug 2005 21:21:48 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Adding users + Message-ID: <3nhcjcF1icn1U1@individual.net>   - In article <87vf1otx23.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,  	prep@prep.synonet.com writes:6 > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > = >> UAF maintenance tends to be only a very small part of user D >> administration on a system running a a commercial application. AsG >> TNT lacks any (documented) "hooks" to allow for that, its usefulness  >> is extremely limited. > 2 > Bill is from a uni, and it is that time AGAIN... > G > Adding 20,000 acounts with a point and click is something I'd love to  > watch!   D Your joking, right?  We're talking VMS here.  It is hard enough just@ to get them to let me keep it here at all.  So far this semester9 we are talking 14 users.  Which is better than none.  :-)   D On the other hand, I expect to have 400-600 Literacy students to add+ to their server and, no, I don't use a GUI.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:31:00 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: Adding users - Message-ID: <87vf1otx23.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   4 David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  < > UAF maintenance tends to be only a very small part of userC > administration on a system running a a commercial application. As F > TNT lacks any (documented) "hooks" to allow for that, its usefulness > is extremely limited.   0 Bill is from a uni, and it is that time AGAIN...  E Adding 20,000 acounts with a point and click is something I'd love to  watch!   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Aug 2005 21:23:18 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Adding users + Message-ID: <3nhcm5F1icn1U2@individual.net>   + In article <3nh90qF1hpm5U1@individual.net>, + 	bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: 2 > In article <11h6pk48ffv9ja5@corp.supernews.com>,, > 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >> JF Mezei wrote: >>> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>> I >>>>One quick question as well.  I have a separate disk for all my users. L >>>>Is there any way to make that the default when I create accounts instead >>>>of SYS$SYSDEVICE:? >>>  >>>  >>> I >>> Not sure how it works if you use that Windows thing to manage serious  >>> security on VMS. >>>  >>> But for AUTHORIZE: >>> & >>> UAF> MOD DEFAULT/DEVICE=newdevice: >>  L >> Any SYSUAF data fields that you don't specify will get their values from F >> the DEFAULT SYSUAF record.  If the primary usage is students, then K >> determine whatever 'standard' settings you want for students and modify  F >> the DEFAULT user record with these values.  Then you won't have to @ >> specify those data fields when setting up new SYSUAF records. >>  H >> Some of my favorites, in addition to priviledges, and LGICMD, Flags, C >> PWDminimum, PWDlifetime, and of course all the quotas should be   >> customized for the platform.  >>   > E > So, are you saying that the Windows Program gets it's defaults from D > SYSAUF as well and they are not something in the configuration of  > the program itself?  > 2 > That should be easy enough to fix then.  Thanks. >   C That was it.  I just cahnged the DEFAULT User and now when I create G an account they inherit it.  Too bad I already added all the users. :-(    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:55:58 -0400 4 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca> Subject: Re: Adding users + Message-ID: <3nhejhF1gt49U1@individual.net>    Main, Kerry wrote: >...D > Mmm... Wrt to user authentication, since all TNT does is basicallyC > manipulate the sysuaf, and since sysuaf does have "hooks" (system F > calls, external auth, LDAP, ACME etc), what additional functionality > are you looking for? >...  H I would like to know what it does with Rights IDs that is different fromG what AUTHORIZE does. Two weeks ago a customer had a problem with a V7.3 G VAX but this customer does not have a support contact in place so I can  not ask HP.   C The problem was that I needed grant a Right to a particular user, I H granted the Right, did a SHOW on the user and the right did not show up.C So I repeated the command and AUTHORIZE reported that the right was H already granted. If I REVOKED the Right then the first AUTHORIZE behavedH as if it had removed it, a second REVOKE command reported that the rightD was not granted to the user. I went through several GRANT and REVOKEC attempts and several $ SHOW PROCESS/RIGHT submits to batch before I F tried TNT out of desperation. TNT granted the right and it worked fineD after that. So now I wonder what TNT did differently than AUTHORIZE?   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:26:15 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: Adding users 0 Message-ID: <11h72iu5uhhjacd@corp.supernews.com>   Peter Weaver wrote:  > Main, Kerry wrote: >  >>... D >>Mmm... Wrt to user authentication, since all TNT does is basicallyC >>manipulate the sysuaf, and since sysuaf does have "hooks" (system F >>calls, external auth, LDAP, ACME etc), what additional functionality >>are you looking for? >>...  >  > J > I would like to know what it does with Rights IDs that is different fromI > what AUTHORIZE does. Two weeks ago a customer had a problem with a V7.3 I > VAX but this customer does not have a support contact in place so I can 
 > not ask HP.  > E > The problem was that I needed grant a Right to a particular user, I J > granted the Right, did a SHOW on the user and the right did not show up.E > So I repeated the command and AUTHORIZE reported that the right was J > already granted. If I REVOKED the Right then the first AUTHORIZE behavedJ > as if it had removed it, a second REVOKE command reported that the rightF > was not granted to the user. I went through several GRANT and REVOKEE > attempts and several $ SHOW PROCESS/RIGHT submits to batch before I H > tried TNT out of desperation. TNT granted the right and it worked fineF > after that. So now I wonder what TNT did differently than AUTHORIZE? >   F  From what you're saying it sounds like AUTHORIZE doesn't display the H rights correctly.  Support or not, I'd think that VMS engineering would * like to know the specifics of the problem.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:46:49 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> Subject: Re: Adding users < Message-ID: <tfMQe.61333$Il.14014@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:   > G > Adding 20,000 acounts with a point and click is something I'd love to  > watch!  F A former colleague of mine once started a project to totally automate C the annual account creation (TOPS-20, VMS, Ultrix) and year update  B process using the student database. Previously this was an arcane @ operation involving said colleague spending weeks with loads of B individual command files and manual intervention. Early on in the G development he nicknamed the project "Exocet" after the French missile  H because of the devastation caused when it went wrong. Which was all the  time really :-)   E It's also quite amazing the sort of obscene and/or humorous IDs that  I will be  generated by systems which take initials , surname, course code  H etc and stick them together. Even further off topic but my initials are G ARG. A plotter spooler under TOPS-20 once fell over with an error like  I "Programmer ARG error". The Ops assumed it was my fault "programmer ARG"  ( rather than an "argument" error. Ho hum.  = Legal action has even been taken by some people stuck with a  I particularly unwanted handle (F*CKME was actually generated IIRC) and an  3 unflinching IT department. You have been warned :-)    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:06:03 +0200 ' From: usenet@hoffart.de (Goetz Hoffart)  Subject: AlisaTalk for VMS? 6 Message-ID: <1h22sy6.1lnitfdsvj20qN%usenet@hoffart.de>   Hi,   > I'm looking for AlisaTalk from Alisa Systems (Pasadena CA), an4 AppleTalk/AFP server daemon for old versions of VMS.  ! Does anyone know where to get it?    It is mentioned here: D <http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.02/02.11/Nov86Letters/># <http://pinpoint.dc3.com/news.html>    Regards  Gtz --   http://www.knubbelmac.de/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:05:25 GMT 9 From: Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us>  Subject: Re: AlisaTalk for VMS? D Message-ID: <nospam.News.Bob-6A834B.22053529082005@news.verizon.net>  6 In article <1h22sy6.1lnitfdsvj20qN%usenet@hoffart.de>,)  usenet@hoffart.de (Goetz Hoffart) wrote:    > Hi,  > @ > I'm looking for AlisaTalk from Alisa Systems (Pasadena CA), an6 > AppleTalk/AFP server daemon for old versions of VMS. > # > Does anyone know where to get it?  >  > It is mentioned here: F > <http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.02/02.11/Nov86Letters/>% > <http://pinpoint.dc3.com/news.html>  > 	 > Regards  > Gtz  H You may have more luck finding PATHWORKS for OpenVMS (Macintosh) on one ( of the '95'ish OpenVMS consolidated CDs.  H PATHWORKS for OpenVMS (Macintosh) DECshare file server and print server E software was built on a Licensed copy of AlisaTalk.  I worked on the  G file server for 5 years, before Digital cancelled the project in '95.   : We had released version 1.3a which included Alpha support.  G From reports in this news group, PATHWORKS for OpenVMS (Macintosh) was  G working up to and including some releases of OpenVMS 7.*   Individuals  F that actually used the product could give you a more accurate version  number.   2                                         Bob Harris   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:31:29 -0500 . From: Duncan Brown <brown_du@eisner.decus.org>M Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 CPU speed upgrade and/or backplane speed ranges 2 Message-ID: <iO-dnXdzceBvK47eRVn-3A@speakeasy.net>  
 R Boyd wrote:   	 > Duncan,  > 9 > Good news on the results after applying system patches.  > G > There is a newer firmware for the 4x00 systems V6.1-1 which addresses H > some issues with systems with 3 or more cpu boards installed.  You mayA > want to download the kit for the firmware and apply the update.  >   E I thought I had the latest kit, and I certainly wasn't expecting any  I further work on the 4100 series firmware, but it does indeed look like a  I new one came out just recently.  I'll have to download and install that,   thanks for the heads-up.   Duncan   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2005 12:54:03 -0700' From: "MattF" <mf-g2@mfsrv.demon.co.uk> * Subject: Re: CHARON-VAX freeware availableC Message-ID: <1125345243.205837.109330@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    > Q > Unfortunately, I found the kit unusable.  The files vaxsys.vdisk and user.vdisk Q > are provided as self-extracting executables for a *billybox*.  I decommissioned    Persistance:  ' Download unrar for OpenVMS/Alpha, then:    mc unrar t user.exe  mc unrar t vaxsys.exe    To test the archives   mc unrar e user.exe  mc unrar e vaxsys.exe   ? To extract (obviously command will differ if unrar.exe isn't in  sys$system)   E If you 'list' the executables then you get a 'corrupt header' message @ but that should be the only trouble you should get from the .exe 'header'  ; Hope this helps. (I haven't actually tried to use them yet)    Matt.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:35:52 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)) Subject: Re: disks in an ALPHAserver 2x00 $ Message-ID: <devo2o$saa$1@online.de>  = In article <BF37CF23.1332D%roktsci@comcast.net>, Jeff Cameron  <roktsci@comcast.net> writes:   B > On 8/27/05 11:49 PM, in article dermqd$urh$1@online.de, "PhillipL > Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote: > G > > What is the most "advanced" disk one can put in the internal BA-35X J > > style shelf in the ALPHAserver 2000 or 2100 (the "4" models, i.e. withK > > the EV4/21064 chip)?  In other words, can one use wide disks, or is one H > > limited to narrow ones?  Most helpful would be RZ-XX numbers for SBB
 > > disks. > > J > Best thin to do here is go to the Options Page for the processor you are > referring to:  > J > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/options/as2x00/as2x00_options.html  I That page doesn't provide the information I am looking for, and there is  $ no obvious link to a page that does.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:30:13 +0200 - From: Alex van Denzel <vandenzel@hotmail.com> ) Subject: Re: disks in an ALPHAserver 2x00 7 Message-ID: <43138c70$0$80046$dbd4f001@news.wanadoo.nl>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: ? > In article <BF37CF23.1332D%roktsci@comcast.net>, Jeff Cameron   > <roktsci@comcast.net> writes: B >>On 8/27/05 11:49 PM, in article dermqd$urh$1@online.de, "PhillipL >>Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:F >>>What is the most "advanced" disk one can put in the internal BA-35XI >>>style shelf in the ALPHAserver 2000 or 2100 (the "4" models, i.e. with J >>>the EV4/21064 chip)?  In other words, can one use wide disks, or is oneG >>>limited to narrow ones?  Most helpful would be RZ-XX numbers for SBB 	 >>>disks.  >>J >>Best thin to do here is go to the Options Page for the processor you are >>referring to:  >>J >>http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/options/as2x00/as2x00_options.html >  > K > That page doesn't provide the information I am looking for, and there is  & > no obvious link to a page that does. > A According to the hardware I haved (AS2100 4/275) the drivebay is  A connected with a 50pins narrow-scsi cable to the controller (the  H multi-everything board), so I assume you need narrow-scsi drive bricks. ) So that would be RZsomething-VA. I guess.   @ Better is, open your server case and check the connector on the @ backplane of the drivebay in case yours isn't a narrow-scsi bay.   -- Alex.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:22:37 -0500 ! From: Mark <markmiller31@cox.net> ) Subject: Re: disks in an ALPHAserver 2x00 , Message-ID: <cXLQe.3844$Ix4.1894@okepread03>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: F > What is the most "advanced" disk one can put in the internal BA-35X I > style shelf in the ALPHAserver 2000 or 2100 (the "4" models, i.e. with  J > the EV4/21064 chip)?  In other words, can one use wide disks, or is one G > limited to narrow ones?  Most helpful would be RZ-XX numbers for SBB   > disks. > ! This should answer your questions   > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB003CPF.PDF   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:03:45 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Gamers 0 Message-ID: <11h6q7tb15t4qaf@corp.supernews.com>  G While consulting my favorite rumor rag, The Inquirer, I read this post:   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25776   ( Of particular interest is the following:  F Intel estimateth that there are 300 million gamers worldwide, and the G industry is worth $31 billion - a sum which includes all revenues from   handhelds and hardware.   C I've always felt that people tended to ignore games.  Perhaps this   would be a mistake.   G Games are pretty much tied to the x86 architecture and windows.  Older  F games wanted to get directly to the HW, which doesn't work so well on G NT, 2000, XP, and such.  Another drag on trying to introduce something  K new, such as the itanic.  Another reason AMD and the Athlon are prospering.   ) That's a significant number, 300 million.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:56:57 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Gamers , Message-ID: <4313A0C8.8C1772A6@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:A > Games are pretty much tied to the x86 architecture and windows.     @ Early on, Alpha had a shot for gamers running NT.  The window ofH opportunity was squandered (of course). Had there been enough of a push,C Alpha's speed edge would have gotten it the gaming crowd. But Alpha E remained just a wet dream for gamers because the lack of marketing by F Digital resulted in their favourite games not being available on their dream platform.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:30:58 -0700 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Gamers 0 Message-ID: <BF392F12.133D8%roktsci@comcast.net>  H On 8/29/05 1:03 PM, in article 11h6q7tb15t4qaf@corp.supernews.com, "Dave$ Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:  I > While consulting my favorite rumor rag, The Inquirer, I read this post:  > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25776  > * > Of particular interest is the following: > G > Intel estimateth that there are 300 million gamers worldwide, and the H > industry is worth $31 billion - a sum which includes all revenues from > handhelds and hardware.  > D > I've always felt that people tended to ignore games.  Perhaps this > would be a mistake.  > H > Games are pretty much tied to the x86 architecture and windows.  OlderG > games wanted to get directly to the HW, which doesn't work so well on H > NT, 2000, XP, and such.  Another drag on trying to introduce somethingM > new, such as the itanic.  Another reason AMD and the Athlon are prospering.  > + > That's a significant number, 300 million.   L The most popular Gaming Console (Microsoft's X-BOX) is based on the Power-PC+ G series Processors, same as the MACintosh.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:35:25 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> Subject: Re: Gamers ( Message-ID: <4313E20D.891D767A@mist.com>   Jeff Cameron wrote:  > J > On 8/29/05 1:03 PM, in article 11h6q7tb15t4qaf@corp.supernews.com, "Dave& > Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: > K > > While consulting my favorite rumor rag, The Inquirer, I read this post:  > > - > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25776  > > , > > Of particular interest is the following: > > I > > Intel estimateth that there are 300 million gamers worldwide, and the J > > industry is worth $31 billion - a sum which includes all revenues from > > handhelds and hardware.  > > F > > I've always felt that people tended to ignore games.  Perhaps this > > would be a mistake.  > > J > > Games are pretty much tied to the x86 architecture and windows.  OlderI > > games wanted to get directly to the HW, which doesn't work so well on J > > NT, 2000, XP, and such.  Another drag on trying to introduce somethingO > > new, such as the itanic.  Another reason AMD and the Athlon are prospering.  > > - > > That's a significant number, 300 million.  > N > The most popular Gaming Console (Microsoft's X-BOX) is based on the Power-PC- > G series Processors, same as the MACintosh.   8 Now that you mention it, the Apple developers are saying< that the new P4-Ds are supposedly faster than the G5s.  ????   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:53:14 +0100 6 From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk>% Subject: Re: MA8000/MA12000 - support 6 Message-ID: <43134b8a$0$32690$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>  ) <gary.lively@gmail.com> wrote in message  = news:1125329972.919268.225490@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...  > ? > We have four(4)MA8000/MA12000 StorgeWorks Cabinets with HSG80 - > controllers ---> and trying to get to EVA's  > H > Has HP had a official announcement on support and a drop-dead date for" > these cabinets and controllers ? >  > thanks >  > gary  # This may or may not be of interest.   i http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/download/HP_HSG80-AlphaServer_Storage_Program.pdf    Alex     ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2005 11:40:45 -0700 From: elementyl@hotmail.com K Subject: Re: Multiheaded ATI Radeon 7500 using both VGA and DVI connections C Message-ID: <1125340845.428410.267880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    FredK wrote:K > That feature is currently down the list someplace, it's not clear when/if  > it will be done.  F If not dual, care to share some of the prioritized items on that list?@ Stabilizing the 7500, or is that considered "put to bed" at thisD point...  Newer models?  More geometries?  Performance enhancements?   James    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:24:46 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>K Subject: Re: Multiheaded ATI Radeon 7500 using both VGA and DVI connections 4 Message-ID: <2PMQe.11373$Gc6.10360@news.cpqcorp.net>  ( <elementyl@hotmail.com> wrote in message= news:1125340845.428410.267880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  > FredK wrote:E > > That feature is currently down the list someplace, it's not clear  when/if  > > it will be done. > H > If not dual, care to share some of the prioritized items on that list?B > Stabilizing the 7500, or is that considered "put to bed" at thisF > point...  Newer models?  More geometries?  Performance enhancements? >   ' More geometries?  Is something missing?   F Mostly for the R7500 we have some specific performance work in OpenGL.E There are also some 2D chips we will be doing support for on Itanium.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2005 16:33:54 -0700 From: elementyl@hotmail.com K Subject: Re: Multiheaded ATI Radeon 7500 using both VGA and DVI connections B Message-ID: <1125358434.243377.63470@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  B According to the Radeon 7500 release notes, August 2005, there are" still no "wide" geometries listed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:50:42 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: OT: .com spending no longer and porting issues , Message-ID: <431358FA.609C25D7@teksavvy.com>  C This is from an interview with the CEO of Adobe (a company which no H longer has anything to do with VMS since the purchase of DEC by Compaq).  S http://news.com.com/Adobe+under+construction/2008-1082_3-5843856.html?tag=nefd.lede    ##< Is it because growth is slowing down for software companies?  D Chizen: Not for us. But growth is slowing down for a lot of softwareH companies who were charging multiple millions of dollars to do back-end,D infrastructure stuff. Back when money was free, a lot of IT guys hadG bosses telling them, "Whatever it takes, get it done." They would spend H $40 million on an ERP system or an HR system or a CRM system. Now the ITE guy is saying, "Hey, we got burnt. We're not doing that any longer."   ##    G This one is interesting in the context of the HP apologists saying that % the port to IA64 is just a recompile:    ##H Let's talk about Apple Computer. What is the early word about moving Mac6 apps over to work on Intel-based systems? Not so easy?  G Chizen: No, it's not...If you look at most testing cycles, that's three H or four months until the product's out. You can't just turn a switch and- get a MacTel product...and Steve knows that.   ##  C Steve Jobs knows that, but like VMS engineers, bragged about how it 7 would be just a simple recompile for most applications.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2005 16:09:04 -0700( From: "Chris Allen" <ca.allen@gmail.com>) Subject: Re: simh with logical networking C Message-ID: <1125356944.912241.170790@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Alan Greig wrote: I > One big problem with simh is that it needs a dedicated network card and J > an external bridge to communicate back with the host PC (a limitation of > the Windows pcap drivers). > H > However colinux (Linux under Windows) supplies its own logical networkJ > adapter "TAP-Win32 Adapter V8 (colinux)" which Linux then attaches to asG > if it were a real physical ethernet card. Attaching to this from simh * > rather than a dedicated card also works!  E Very cool, I wonder if the same kind of thing works with say VMWare's G bridged virtual networking device in Windows or Linux.  If I get around # to trying it I'll post the results.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2005 16:54:00 -0500' From: jim@info2.uah.edu (Jim McCullars) & Subject: Re: VMS performance measuring( Message-ID: <df005o$ddc$1@info2.uah.edu>  G Hi Kerry, thanks for the feedback.  Let me take your questions one at a  time:   G : - What versions and patch levels of OpenVMS and Oracle are you using?   F    VMS version is 7.3-1.  Oracle version is 9.2.0.4.0.  The version of application server is 1.0.2.2.2   ) : - has autogen (with feedback) been run?       Yes.   J : - please determine if the disk drives are excessively fragmented or not.E : If the drives have been in use for a long time, then this is a real  : possibility.=20   I    Fragmentation should not be an issue.  In an attempt to squeeze better O performance, the tablespace files for our production database were put on their O own raidset (more on that later) and spread across all six busses of the HSZ70. " This was done just a few days ago.  I : - do a show device /full on each disk. If the highwater marking feature H : is on and if there is a lot of writing, then this security feature mayH : be contributing to some of the performance issues (especially if disks : are fragmented).  K    It was enabled and we did turn it off, but I wonder if this is really an J issue with an OS file that is a container for an Oracle database.  Doesn'tL highwater marking have to do with when a file gets extended?  An Oracle fileF usually gets allocated all in one operation, and then writes performedM within the filespace that was originally allocated.  That's my understanding,  anyway.   G : - Can your vendor determine that the Oracle indexes are being used or $ : are the acceses mostly sequential?  I    This is the big unknown.  I agree that the symptoms we are seeing look H suspiciously like large sequential searches.  The problem is, this is a F delivered system and we are still learning our way around it.  We have= some technical assistance from them and I will bring this up.   I : - If running VMS V7.3-2, a reasonably recent Oracle suggestion has been H : shown to increase Oracle performance on OpenVMS by roughly 20-30% (notG : sure if these were actual numbers) is to install the Oracle.exe file.   I    We are going to look at that, but will have to get on 7.3-2 first.  In J our case, however, it looks like the hangups are with the datafiles rather/ than the Oracle image.  Still worth a try, tho.   I    Back to our raidsets.  We have six drives configured in the HSZ70 as a E Raid 5 set.  One of my DBAs seems to recall a warning against running J Oracle databases as Raid 5 sets (apparently something about the way OracleJ does its I/O is less efficient on Raid 5).  Should we be running somethingI like a striped mirror instead?  Also, do you have any advice on the chunk J size?  We are running the default of 256, but some documentation indicatedL that that setting is better when the OS is Unix and that 128 would be better* for VMS.  Do you know anything about that?  #    Thanks again for the feedback...   
 Jim McCullars    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2005 16:33:09 -0700 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au& Subject: Re: VMS performance measuringC Message-ID: <1125358389.671906.120240@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   6 in the past we have used the spotlight tool from quest4 to resolve performance issues, however this was with, software developed "in-house", so may not be applicable to your situation.  Phila http://www.quest.com/quest_central_for_oracle/performance_diagnostics/performance_diagnostics.asp    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:56:25 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> & Subject: Re: VMS performance measuringG Message-ID: <93861c6283e81ee7d60c18562771e8f6$1@www.firstdbasource.com>    Jim McCullars wrote:    K Jim a couple of things... first get the latest kit for T4 and install it.   K Set up a collection for a couple of peak-time hours at a 10-second level.   H Make sure it is on a different set of spindles than your database.  You 0 will want to gragh them using the CSVPNG tool.    K Using this, you can graph disk i/o and queue depths to see how bad the I/O  
 is getting...   H The second is to use OEM to look at the SQL and explain plan of a given G process.  it is sometimes tricky to catch, but can give the answers to  K some of your problems.  Also, query the sqlarea to get executing statments  ( and run them through an explain plan....   Hope this helps...   Michael Austin VMS sys admin and Oracle DBA...   I > Hi Kerry, thanks for the feedback.  Let me take your questions one at a  > time:   I > : - What versions and patch levels of OpenVMS and Oracle are you using?   H >    VMS version is 7.3-1.  Oracle version is 9.2.0.4.0.  The version of! > application server is 1.0.2.2.2   + > : - has autogen (with feedback) been run?   	 >    Yes.   L > : - please determine if the disk drives are excessively fragmented or not.G > : If the drives have been in use for a long time, then this is a real  > : possibility.=20   K >    Fragmentation should not be an issue.  In an attempt to squeeze better L > performance, the tablespace files for our production database were put on  their K > own raidset (more on that later) and spread across all six busses of the   HSZ70.$ > This was done just a few days ago.  K > : - do a show device /full on each disk. If the highwater marking feature J > : is on and if there is a lot of writing, then this security feature mayJ > : be contributing to some of the performance issues (especially if disks > : are fragmented).  M >    It was enabled and we did turn it off, but I wonder if this is really an L > issue with an OS file that is a container for an Oracle database.  Doesn'tN > highwater marking have to do with when a file gets extended?  An Oracle fileH > usually gets allocated all in one operation, and then writes performedO > within the filespace that was originally allocated.  That's my understanding, 	 > anyway.   I > : - Can your vendor determine that the Oracle indexes are being used or & > : are the acceses mostly sequential?  K >    This is the big unknown.  I agree that the symptoms we are seeing look I > suspiciously like large sequential searches.  The problem is, this is a H > delivered system and we are still learning our way around it.  We have? > some technical assistance from them and I will bring this up.   K > : - If running VMS V7.3-2, a reasonably recent Oracle suggestion has been J > : shown to increase Oracle performance on OpenVMS by roughly 20-30% (notI > : sure if these were actual numbers) is to install the Oracle.exe file.   K >    We are going to look at that, but will have to get on 7.3-2 first.  In L > our case, however, it looks like the hangups are with the datafiles rather1 > than the Oracle image.  Still worth a try, tho.   K >    Back to our raidsets.  We have six drives configured in the HSZ70 as a G > Raid 5 set.  One of my DBAs seems to recall a warning against running L > Oracle databases as Raid 5 sets (apparently something about the way OracleL > does its I/O is less efficient on Raid 5).  Should we be running somethingK > like a striped mirror instead?  Also, do you have any advice on the chunk L > size?  We are running the default of 256, but some documentation indicatedN > that that setting is better when the OS is Unix and that 128 would be better, > for VMS.  Do you know anything about that?  % >    Thanks again for the feedback...    > Jim McCullars    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.483 ************************