1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 31 Aug 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 485       Contents: Re: AlisaTalk for VMS? Re: AlisaTalk for VMS? Re: AlisaTalk for VMS? Re: AlisaTalk for VMS? Re: AlisaTalk for VMS?
 Re: Gamers
 Re: Gamers: Re: How far can you  cluster (SCS) unsupported over a WAN? Itanium Solutions Alliance Re: Itanium Solutions Alliance NTP Under UCX Questions  Re: NTP Under UCX Questions  SFTP in batch- password? Re: SFTP in batch- password? Re: SFTP in batch- password? Re: SFTP in batch- password? Re: SFTP in batch- password?  Re: simh with logical networking  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:24:30 +0200 ' From: usenet@hoffart.de (Goetz Hoffart)  Subject: Re: AlisaTalk for VMS? 6 Message-ID: <1h24ov7.1xaq6p761ylajN%usenet@hoffart.de>  : Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us> wrote:  G > I worked on the file server for 5 years, before Digital cancelled the  > project in '95.   E Do you remember details of the technical specifications of AlisaTalk? G Which AFP version/level was supported? Were there any restrictions? Did B it 'speak' DDP directly or DDP-in-IP which had to be decapsulated?   Regards  Gtz --   http://www.knubbelmac.de/    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2005 15:59:46 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: AlisaTalk for VMS? 3 Message-ID: <Hia9Us+ZJt6s@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <1h24ov7.1xaq6p761ylajN%usenet@hoffart.de>, usenet@hoffart.de (Goetz Hoffart) writes:< > Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us> wrote: > H >> I worked on the file server for 5 years, before Digital cancelled the >> project in '95. > G > Do you remember details of the technical specifications of AlisaTalk? I > Which AFP version/level was supported? Were there any restrictions? Did D > it 'speak' DDP directly or DDP-in-IP which had to be decapsulated?  K Pathworks for Macintosh works fine on my VAX system, which does not run IP, ( from my Macintosh which does not run IP.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:29:14 +0200 ' From: usenet@hoffart.de (Goetz Hoffart)  Subject: Re: AlisaTalk for VMS? 6 Message-ID: <1h24rrz.127hnhjzshgkdN%usenet@hoffart.de>  . Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:  M > Pathworks for Macintosh works fine on my VAX system, which does not run IP, * > from my Macintosh which does not run IP.  A Could you please be so kind to run ServerInfo PPC [1] on your Mac F against your vax, do a screenshot of the resulting dialog box and sendG it to me, along with information about your box (version number of VMS,  Pathworks for Macintosh)?    My e-mail address is working.   E I'm collecting information about AFP-servers and will publish it soon  (freely available).    Gre  Gtz --   http://www.knubbelmac.de/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:43:07 GMT 9 From: Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us>  Subject: Re: AlisaTalk for VMS? D Message-ID: <nospam.News.Bob-7E9B1A.19430630082005@news.verizon.net>  6 In article <1h24ov7.1xaq6p761ylajN%usenet@hoffart.de>,)  usenet@hoffart.de (Goetz Hoffart) wrote:   < > Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us> wrote: > I > > I worked on the file server for 5 years, before Digital cancelled the  > > project in '95.  > G > Do you remember details of the technical specifications of AlisaTalk? I > Which AFP version/level was supported? Were there any restrictions? Did D > it 'speak' DDP directly or DDP-in-IP which had to be decapsulated? > 	 > Regards  > GtzI You are asking me to remember back to 1989-1990 time frame.  That is the  E time when we diverted from AlisaTalk, and it has been 10 years since   I've worked on PATHWORKS.   @ I am fairly sure that AlisaTalk was AFP 2.0.  It was DDP. No IP.  F As for restrictions, I did not use AlisaTalk, I used PATHWORKS and we & took the product in our own direction.  2                                         Bob Harris   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2005 23:29:06 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: AlisaTalk for VMS? 3 Message-ID: <BmDeCqIP2fPQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <1h24rrz.127hnhjzshgkdN%usenet@hoffart.de>, usenet@hoffart.de (Goetz Hoffart) writes:0 > Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote: > N >> Pathworks for Macintosh works fine on my VAX system, which does not run IP,+ >> from my Macintosh which does not run IP.  > C > Could you please be so kind to run ServerInfo PPC [1] on your Mac   ? There is no file with "serverinfo" in the name on my Macintosh.   H > against your vax, do a screenshot of the resulting dialog box and sendI > it to me, along with information about your box (version number of VMS,  > Pathworks for Macintosh)?   9 VMS V7.3, ATK$APPLETALK_ACP.EXE ident is "ATK S3.2-1.3A".    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:03:54 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> Subject: Re: Gamers ( Message-ID: <4314D7CA.99055409@mist.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > , > In article <43147662.9000701@prodigy.net>,, >         CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net> writes: > > A > > ... and it should also be noted that Apple is moving to Intel  > >  > B > And I would be willing to bet that is more a cost thing than any% > admission of technical superiority.  >   ; That and heat dissipation on 64-bit laptops.  IBM failed to  deliver a laptop low power G5.9 The Intel so far has no vector instructions built in like * the G5 has.  Good for graphics animations.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:13:31 -0500 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org>  Subject: Re: Gamers 5 Message-ID: <slrndh9mga.4gu.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   L In article <4314D7CA.99055409@mist.com>, GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote: > G > The Intel so far has no vector instructions built in like the G5 has.   E Is that right? Intel does have MMX/SSE/SSE2/SSE3 instructions that is , roughly analogous to the PPC's Altivec unit.  3 http://developer.apple.com/hardware/ve/summary.html    -Dan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:52:32 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>C Subject: Re: How far can you  cluster (SCS) unsupported over a WAN? = Message-ID: <kG3Re.37105$5m3.25452@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: >  > O > VMS Development does not declare things "unsupported" just for the fun of it. I > It takes effort to ensure particular configurations work, and home ADSL & > is hardly the target market for VMS.  D Yes but when I'm using a simh software VAX witn hobby licenses I am D hardly going to complain if it doesn't work. When I first asked the A question I specified that I knew I was in completely unsupported  G territory. Personally I think its a credit to the design that it works   at all so far outside spec.  --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:12:07 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Itanium Solutions Alliance , Message-ID: <431511EF.7EB7E39E@teksavvy.com>  e http://news.com.com/Itanium+allies+to+pool+development+efforts/2100-1006_3-5844877.html?tag=nefd.lede   @ Intel is getting its IA64 customers to fund an Itanium Solutions2 Alliance to help promopte the struggling alliance.  H The article then moves on to more familiar territory, outlining why IA64D just hasn't caught on. (It isn't just the inquirer that has negative spin on IA64).   A few interesting sentences:  E "What happened here is Intel seriously underestimated the support the  marketplace would haveA for an incompatible platform and believed 'if we (Intel) say it's F industry standard, everybody will come.' Clearly that didn't happen."     E In line with that high-end positioning, Microsoft's planned update to G its Windows Server 2003 operating system--called R2--won't be available D for Itanium. Microsoft's rationale for the move is that R2 is gearedE toward smaller servers. The Window Server 2003 successor due in 2007, ; code-named Longhorn Server, will support Itanium, however.       This one is really telling:   B Itanium hasn't yet reached heir-apparent status by most estimates.E HP--the server maker that has pushed the chip most aggressively--sold C $108 million in Itanium-based Unix servers in the second quarter of B 2005, compared with $1.1 billion in the PA-RISC-based Unix servers; they're intended to replace, according to Gartner figures.      G Here is an example of where the writer can easily make a statement into   an editorial by adding one word:  ; 		Intel's Itanium plans still extend years into the future.   E Note the use of the word "STILL" in the above  See, it isn't just the ) inquirer that sees little future in IA64.     F With numbers like this (the HP numbers) you wonder why HP is botheringH with IA64 at all. It really would be better for it to produce more speedC bumps for PaRisc and Alpha until the 8086 is ready for prime time.      G The big question now is whether this effort to keep IA64 alive is Intel H driven, or driven by HP and possibly SGI to help justify their continued reliance on that chip.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:36:02 -0400 5 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Ro=DFert_G=2E_Schaffrath=22?= ' Subject: Re: Itanium Solutions Alliance * Message-ID: <oI8Re.3603$bT1.2986@fe08.lga>   JF Mezei wrote: G > "What happened here is Intel seriously underestimated the support the  > marketplace would haveC > for an incompatible platform and believed 'if we (Intel) say it's H > industry standard, everybody will come.' Clearly that didn't happen."   E It is interesting that Digital was able to pull this off back in the  @ late 70's when they introduced the VAX and it's not 100% PDP-11 ? compatible architecture.  I always found Data General's 32-bit  F architecture and extensions in their MV series to be more elegant but 8 they just did not have the market presence that DEC had.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:41:55 -0000  From: nospam@nohost.no.net  Subject: NTP Under UCX Questions0 Message-ID: <11h96j3d1bo67ab@corp.supernews.com>  ; Our setup is a VMS cluster running VMS 7.1 and UCX ver 4.1.   F We wish to have members of our alpha cluster sync to servers that keepE time via GPS they are already present and being used to keep the time  accurate on Wintel boxes.   ? I'd like to know if it's possible to set the maximum amount of  H difference between the system time and the server time so that UCX does E not change the time if it is greater than the set maximum. I believe  G that is referred to as aperture but I haven't seen a means to set this.   G Is it also possible to configure UCX so that it does not slew or drift  F the clock but makes instaneous corrections to the system time when it & determines that there is a difference?   Thanks.           ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:20:44 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) $ Subject: Re: NTP Under UCX Questions3 Message-ID: <wc3Re.11425$4P6.6606@news.cpqcorp.net>   M In article <11h96j3d1bo67ab@corp.supernews.com>, nospam@nohost.no.net writes: < :Our setup is a VMS cluster running VMS 7.1 and UCX ver 4.1.  ?   Both of which are ancient.  NTP has seen significant upgrades >   in more recent TCP/IP Services versions.  V5.4 or V5.5 would@   be better and more current choices, IIRC.  V5.4 and later have   NTP V4 implementations.   @ :I'd like to know if it's possible to set the maximum amount of I :difference between the system time and the server time so that UCX does  F :not change the time if it is greater than the set maximum. I believe H :that is referred to as aperture but I haven't seen a means to set this.  8   There is no means to set this value.  It's hard-coded.  @   If you want to see the basic NTP code, see the udel reference 5   implementation of NTP V4.  (The FAQ has a pointer.)   H :Is it also possible to configure UCX so that it does not slew or drift G :the clock but makes instaneous corrections to the system time when it  ' :determines that there is a difference?   B   That's not permissible under NTP.  NTP drifts.  If you want the >   big change, shut off NTP and use ntpdate (IIRC) to reset the	   time.     C   Conversely, twice a year, the calculated time does see a one-hour B   change for those political geographies that can and do celebrateE   the Daylight Saving Time (DST) "fun".  That too is how the standard C   says the environment should operate.  (NTP doesn't handle the DST B   switch-over, that's handled automatically in more recent OpenVMS@   versions -- the AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV mechanism is another potential;   reason to upgrade from V7.1 to V7.3 or later, obviously.)   B   The usual reason I've seen these cases are tools or applicationsB   that are using time for a database key or such, but that are not   using UTC.   	--   D   There's a whole new section of UTC calls available in OpenVMS V7.3C   and later, see the more current utility routines reference manual A   for documentation on the DTSS UTC calls.  (The documentation on 2   these calls is in the V8.2 manuals, as a start.)   	--   B   I'm updating the FAQ section on time and time-keeping as part ofA   the next edition of the FAQ, in honor of the flood of questions @   arising from the recent US Federal legislative DST activities.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:58:28 -0700 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> ! Subject: SFTP in batch- password? 7 Message-ID: <3f119ada050830115858b2fa6f@mail.gmail.com>   ( ------=_Part_3869_32533239.1125428308523, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  Content-Disposition: inline   J We're trying to use SFTP to communicate to another VMS box, doing routine= =20 K file transfers in batch mode, but can't figure out how to get it to take a=  =20 H password except interactively. Is this possible, or do we need to try=20 something else?    $ tcpip sho ver   9 HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 2 < on a COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20E 833 MHz running OpenVMS V7.3-2  ( ------=_Part_3869_32533239.1125428308523+ Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  Content-Disposition: inline   A We're trying to use SFTP to communicate to another VMS box, doing E routine file transfers in batch mode, but can't figure out how to get F it to take a password except interactively.&nbsp; Is this possible, or% do we need to try something else?<br>  <br> $ tcpip sho ver<br>  <br>D &nbsp; HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 2<br>G &nbsp; on a COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20E 833 MHz running OpenVMS V7.3-2<br>     * ------=_Part_3869_32533239.1125428308523--   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:43:19 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) % Subject: Re: SFTP in batch- password? 3 Message-ID: <rF2Re.11421$4P6.5342@news.cpqcorp.net>   _ In article <3f119ada050830115858b2fa6f@mail.gmail.com>, DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> writes:   B :We're trying to use SFTP to communicate to another VMS box, doingF :routine file transfers in batch mode, but can't figure out how to getG :it to take a password except interactively.&nbsp; Is this possible, or " :do we need to try something else?  8   Please turn off MIME and HTML in your client.  Thanks.   	--   C   The last couple of SFTP passes I've worked with have not prompted E   for a password; I've been using the saved keys for the target host,    obviously.  E   What are the SFTP command(s) you are using, and what version of the /   SSL kit is currently loaded and rulling here?     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:54:20 -0700 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> % Subject: Re: SFTP in batch- password? 7 Message-ID: <3f119ada050830155437e69a09@mail.gmail.com>   0 On 8/30/05, Hoff Hoffman <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote:L > In article <3f119ada050830115858b2fa6f@mail.gmail.com>, DeanW <dean.woodw= ard@gmail.com> writes: >=20D > :We're trying to use SFTP to communicate to another VMS box, doingH > :routine file transfers in batch mode, but can't figure out how to getI > :it to take a password except interactively.&nbsp; Is this possible, or $ > :do we need to try something else? >=20: >   Please turn off MIME and HTML in your client.  Thanks.  E a) no client; b) gmail went and converted everyone w/o asking, and c) C there wasn't an option to format, or convert to plain text, on that E last message. (This one should be plain text, but gmail won't tell me 	 for sure.   G >   What are the SFTP command(s) you are using, and what version of the 1 >   SSL kit is currently loaded and rulling here?   C AFAIK, the SSL kit is what's supplied from HP; It's not my machine, 7 nor my project- I'm digging for details, please hold...    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2005 16:06:56 -0700 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au% Subject: Re: SFTP in batch- password? C Message-ID: <1125443216.747119.127680@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    apparently the syntax is& $ sftp "-Bbatch.txt" 'username'@'node'= I don't know if the pwd should be the first line of batch.txt # or put in with the username somehow  Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:02:45 -0400 ' From: Rich Whalen <whalenr@process.com> % Subject: Re: SFTP in batch- password? 8 Message-ID: <0ks9h1190l52erfu2b8195fhrrfgj4299m@4ax.com>  F On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:43:19 GMT, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:  ` >In article <3f119ada050830115858b2fa6f@mail.gmail.com>, DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> writes: > C >:We're trying to use SFTP to communicate to another VMS box, doing G >:routine file transfers in batch mode, but can't figure out how to get H >:it to take a password except interactively.&nbsp; Is this possible, or# >:do we need to try something else?  > 9 >  Please turn off MIME and HTML in your client.  Thanks.  >  >	-- > D >  The last couple of SFTP passes I've worked with have not promptedF >  for a password; I've been using the saved keys for the target host,
 >  obviously.  > F >  What are the SFTP command(s) you are using, and what version of the0 >  SSL kit is currently loaded and rulling here? >  > O > ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> ----------------------------- L >    For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqO > --------------------------- pure personal opinion --------------------------- F >        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com  C SSL shouldn't matter to SSH - SSH has the encryption routines built  into the executables.   A As for authentication while in batch mode, password is out of the C question.  Common options are public key without a pass phrase (the  best choice) and host based.  D For public key you must use SSHKEYGEN to generate a public / privateA key pair for the user.  The transfer the public key to the remote E system.  The public key will need to be put in a particular directory C and there may be other files that need to be set up on both ends to = point to the key files.  I am not familiar enough with TCP/IP F Service's SSH to know exactly what this part of the setup is, but look2 in the SSH manual under public key authentication.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2005 10:59:06 -0700( From: "Chris Allen" <ca.allen@gmail.com>) Subject: Re: simh with logical networking C Message-ID: <1125424746.023966.195800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Andreas Davour wrote: ) > Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> writes: % > > TAP is a virtual ethernet device.  > > L > > In a SIMH context, it makes it appear there is a second Ethernet adapterL > > installed in the system, so that you can connect to the virtual ethernetJ > > network interface from within the host system instead of having to put1 > > in a second actual physical Ethernet adapter.  > G > Fine and ok. What I have never been able to understand is how the tap H > interface are going to reach the world outside my machine. I ahve read4 > about bridges and such but they never work for me.    ; Here's a nice article on TAP and software ethernet bridging    http://openvpn.net/bridge.html   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.485 ************************