1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 31 Aug 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 486       Contents: Re: AlisaTalk for VMS? Re: AlisaTalk for VMS? Re: AlisaTalk for VMS?
 RE: Gamers
 RE: Gamers: Re: How far can you  cluster (SCS) unsupported over a WAN?, Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) Re: Itanium Solutions Alliance Re: Itanium Solutions Alliance Re: Itanium Solutions Alliance Re: Itanium Solutions Alliance Re: Itanium Solutions Alliance Re: Itanium Solutions Alliance" Re: Katrina and disaster tolerance2 Re: OT: .com spending no longer and porting issues2 Re: OT: .com spending no longer and porting issues Pass arguments to a .com file." RE: Pass arguments to a .com file." Re: Pass arguments to a .com file." Re: Pass arguments to a .com file. Possible reasons of a file loss # RE: Possible reasons of a file loss # Re: Possible reasons of a file loss # Re: Possible reasons of a file loss # Re: Possible reasons of a file loss  problem with SLS  Re: Replacement for VT terminals Re: SFTP in batch- password? Re: SFTP in batch- password? Re: SFTP in batch- password? Re: SFTP in batch- password? Re: SFTP in batch- password?  Re: simh with logical networking  Re: simh with logical networking  Re: simh with logical networking! Re: Simh. How to triple the speed  Re: VAXen as a plural of VAX$ WINSCP nw works with Multinet server( Re: WINSCP nw works with Multinet server  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:29:05 +0200 ' From: usenet@hoffart.de (Goetz Hoffart)  Subject: Re: AlisaTalk for VMS? 5 Message-ID: <1h25m6p.elu0jokf5g6lN%usenet@hoffart.de>   . Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:  E > > Could you please be so kind to run ServerInfo PPC [1] on your Mac  > A > There is no file with "serverinfo" in the name on my Macintosh.    Sorry, I forgot to add the URL:   0 [1]  <http://www.macula.se/serverinfo/index.htm>  J > > against your vax, do a screenshot of the resulting dialog box and sendK > > it to me, along with information about your box (version number of VMS,  > > Pathworks for Macintosh)?  > ; > VMS V7.3, ATK$APPLETALK_ACP.EXE ident is "ATK S3.2-1.3A".    Thanks.    Regards  Gtz --   http://www.knubbelmac.de/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:29:05 +0200 ' From: usenet@hoffart.de (Goetz Hoffart)  Subject: Re: AlisaTalk for VMS? 5 Message-ID: <1h25mfa.t4h8n77gfnpuN%usenet@hoffart.de>   : Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us> wrote:  > > You are asking me to remember back to 1989-1990 time frame.   B I know but what else should I do instead of asking the persons who worked on or with it? :-)   B > I am fairly sure that AlisaTalk was AFP 2.0.  It was DDP. No IP.   Thanks.    Gre  Gtz --   http://www.knubbelmac.de/    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2005 06:48:48 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: AlisaTalk for VMS? 3 Message-ID: <l9pHmFOyKJsL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <1h25m6p.elu0jokf5g6lN%usenet@hoffart.de>, usenet@hoffart.de (Goetz Hoffart) writes: 0 > Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote: > F >> > Could you please be so kind to run ServerInfo PPC [1] on your Mac >>  B >> There is no file with "serverinfo" in the name on my Macintosh. > ! > Sorry, I forgot to add the URL:   C For security reasons, I do not download software from the Internet, @ even for machines connected to the Internet, much less for those on the internal network.  2 > [1]  <http://www.macula.se/serverinfo/index.htm>  D But it does not matter because that page says it requires AppleShareC Client version 3.7 or later, and my AppleShare Chooser Extension is 
 3.6.1RevB.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:59:02 +1000 6 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> Subject: RE: Gamers X Message-ID: <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE94@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5AE0A.63FE4ACF . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable          -----Original Message-----4 From: William Webb [mailto:william.w.webb@gmail.com] Sent: Wed 8/31/2005 1:57 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: Gamers  =20 I On 8/30/05, VAXman-@sendspamhere.org <VAXman-@sendspamhere.org> wrote:=20  >=20A > In article <BF392F12.133D8%roktsci@comcast.net>, Jeff Cameron <  > roktsci@comcast.net> writes:I > >The most popular Gaming Console (Microsoft's X-BOX) is based on the=20 
 > Power-PC. > >G series Processors, same as the MACintosh. >=20A > ...and I thought that Weendoze itself was *the* gaming console.  >=20 > --K > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  >=204 > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" >=20  L I don't know about gaming but there's a certain amount of gambling involved= =20 ' every time one hits CONTROL-ALT-DELETE.    WWWebb   --=20 F NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related=20 correspondence. L All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for service= s=202 pursuant to the terms and conditions located at=20# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/      :-))))))))))))))    G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged @ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise D the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=207 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   C If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20 C immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the=20 ? individual sender except where the sender expressly and with=20 C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************     ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5AE0A.63FE4ACF - Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>L <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> K <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version 6.5.7226.0">  <TITLE>RE: Gamers</TITLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY>) <!-- Converted from text/plain format -->  <BR> <BR> <BR>  0 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR>L From: William Webb [<A HREF=3D"mailto:william.w.webb@gmail.com">mailto:will= iam.w.webb@gmail.com</A>]<BR>  Sent: Wed 8/31/2005 1:57 AM<BR>  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com<BR>  Subject: Re: Gamers<BR>  <BR>L On 8/30/05, VAXman-@sendspamhere.org &lt;VAXman-@sendspamhere.org&gt; wrote= :<BR>  &gt;<BR>L &gt; In article &lt;BF392F12.133D8%roktsci@comcast.net&gt;, Jeff Cameron &l= t;<BR>( &gt; roktsci@comcast.net&gt; writes:<BR>L &gt; &gt;The most popular Gaming Console (Microsoft's X-BOX) is based on th= e<BR>  &gt; Power-PC<BR> 8 &gt; &gt;G series Processors, same as the MACintosh.<BR> &gt;<BR>H &gt; ...and I thought that Weendoze itself was *the* gaming console.<BR> &gt;<BR> &gt; --<BR> L &gt; VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)= COM<BR>  &gt;<BR>E &gt; &quot;Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?&quot;<BR>  &gt;<BR> <BR>L I don't know about gaming but there's a certain amount of gambling involved= <BR>+ every time one hits CONTROL-ALT-DELETE.<BR>  <BR>
 WWWebb<BR> <BR> --<BR>G NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related<BR>  correspondence.<BR> L All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for service= s<BR> 3 pursuant to the terms and conditions located at<BR> L <A HREF=3D"http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/">http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e= /webbww/</A><BR> <BR> <BR> :-))))))))))))))<BR> </FONT>  </P>   <FONT SIZE=3D3><BR>  <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  <BR>G "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged<BR> B and confidential information intended only for the use of the <BR>F addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of <BR>G this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise<BR> F the sender.  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Perhaps this=20  would be a mistake.    *****   L me: Yes, a mistake.  Games and internet seem to be the only raison d'etre. =L  We small crowd here seem to be the only ones that work.  (Oh, and I forgot=  porn)   *****   I Games are pretty much tied to the x86 architecture and windows.  Older=20 H games wanted to get directly to the HW, which doesn't work so well on=20I NT, 2000, XP, and such.  Another drag on trying to introduce something=20 K new, such as the itanic.  Another reason AMD and the Athlon are prospering.   ) That's a significant number, 300 million.    --=20 4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    *****   L me: forgive the stupid way I'm replying, but my mail access is so limited. =L  I'm on VMS, but have to use Outlook, which at one time I could do via Nets=L cape or Mozilla.  Now with all the authentication processes (which I though=L t BG was slapped over the wrist for), I have to use BG Outlook Web Access -= - which is pathetic.   Regards, Paddy  L P.S., I shan't keep apologising, but any replies that I make, or threads th=) at I start will be in this cruddy format.     G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged @ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise D the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=207 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   C If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20 C immediately.  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TransGrid uses<BR> B virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses<BR>  contained in any attachment.<BR> <BR>@ Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now<BR>( firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR> <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  </FONT>  </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5AE0D.28F769E9--    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:58:32 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> C Subject: Re: How far can you  cluster (SCS) unsupported over a WAN? 3 Message-ID: <IskRe.11465$bk7.6816@news.cpqcorp.net>    Alan Greig wrote: K > After reading through the OpenVPN docs I see I can use it to bridge (all  I > protocols not just IP) a simulated LAN over IP. This immediately makes  K > me think of attempting to bring a cluster up between two simulated VAXes   > across the Internet.   Interesting.  I > Now I know people have done this before with physical network bridging  G > over high speed WANs and I am sure I did know the limitations at one  C > time but have forgotten. So the question is what sort of rtt and  K > throughput will I need before something really bad happens? Any ballpark  
 > figures?  F At long distances, the round-trip time is dominated by latency due to ' the speed of light across the distance.   ? In terms of official support, the OpenVMS Cluster Software SPD  E (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2978/SP2978PF.PDF) says inter-node  : distances of up to 150 miles (about 250 km) are supported I out-of-the-box, or 500 miles (about 800 km) if you purchase the Disaster  D Tolerant Cluster Services package. 10 megabits is minimum supported I bandwidth. Latency should not be "excessive". Packet retransmission rate  ? due to packet loss or corruption should be less than 1 in 1000.   E But your title says "unsupported", which gives the latitude for much   more fun in the discussion.   G Based on my observastions, I believe the cluster code became much more  B tolerant in terms of bandwidth and packet loss after the adaptive D retransmit timing and congestion-control improvements introduced at A V6.0, and I think that's why we've subsequently been able to see  C multiple customer reports of a cluster running 'successfully' over   things like a 56-kilobit link.  I We're aware of one disaster-tolerant VMS cluster operating at a distance  H of 3,000 miles. In testing in the early '90s, distances of up to 12,000 G miles were tested (response times were very slow, as one might expect).   H In my group's labs (Multivendor Systems Engineering), we have a Layer 2 B Tunneling Protocol (L2TP) tunnel set up between a couple of Cisco : routers so we can send SCS traffic over IP, and we have a H 100-millisecond delay introduced on that IP link using a Shunra network H emulator box. We have a 7-node cluster running, split across this link. I This equipment was being staged for the hands-on workshop "Long-distance  H HP OpenVMS Clusters" slated for the (now-postponed) HP Technology Forum C in New Orleans (our thoughts and prayers are with the folks there).   G In HP's labs at OpenVMS Engineering in Nashua we're doing some testing  I of Oracle Server applications in a simulated long-distance cluster using  G some neat new boxes from LightSand which can bridge both Fibre Channel  I AND LAN traffic (including SCS) over IP, with distance simulated in that  8 test configuration by delay introduced by an AdTech box.  I So the chances of a test cluster running as you describe are quite good.  / Please let us know the results of your testing.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 03:45:19 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) , Message-ID: <43155FF0.B6A4536C@teksavvy.com>  @ Anyone have any news on whether the event organisers have made a decision on this ?  H I wonder if they could move it to San Francisco and make use of the slotB that had been taken by Interex before Interex declared bankrupcy ?  F Looking at TV coverage of NO, it seems unlikely that the city would beG anywhere near being able to welcome tourists in 2 weeks.  Not even sure B that the airport would be re-opened to commercial flights into New Orleans by that time.   H Consider staff of hotels, even if the hotel is still standing, the staffF may be evacuated to other cities, or too busy to try to rescue what is left of their residence.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2005 02:14:03 -0700) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) C Message-ID: <1125479643.325578.322950@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    JF,   D - Last night, the announcement of the postponement of the TechnologyC Forum was emailed to people on the Forum's mailing list. It is also + posted on http://www.hptechnologyforum.com.   D -Seeing as the HP World Event was scheduled for two weeks ago, usingE the "slot that had been taken by Interex" would require going back in F time to before the birth of Hurricane Katrina. Since this violates the, physics of the timeline, I doubt it (smile).  % - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.clom    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:38:19 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) 4 Message-ID: <%whRe.11449$Sf7.11107@news.cpqcorp.net>   JF Mezei wrote: B > Anyone have any news on whether the event organisers have made a > decision on this ? >   I Yes it been postponed.  I've heard they want to do it later this year in  F   New Orleans, but personally, from looking at the damage, I think if I you have reservations for next year's Mardi Gras, you are in trouble for  
 that as well.    --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:10:38 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) , Message-ID: <4315D67C.DAAB8968@teksavvy.com>   Bob Gezelter wrote: F > - Last night, the announcement of the postponement of the TechnologyE > Forum was emailed to people on the Forum's mailing list. It is also - > posted on http://www.hptechnologyforum.com.     C Seems it was an evolving story. At the time I checked, there was no H announcement at all. And this morning, the decus canada rep (or whateverD the name is this week) told me that a decision would be made sept 2.$ Seems the decision was made already.    F > -Seeing as the HP World Event was scheduled for two weeks ago, usingG > the "slot that had been taken by Interex" would require going back in  > time    H Can't HP do that with Windows ? some CTRL-ALT-[key] combination ?  It isE a shame that it was scheduled before. If its slot had been usable, HP C might have been able to ease Interex's debts sufficiently by paying 9 Interex for the non-refundable concention centre booking.     > I find it interesting that the current web page goes as far asC cancelling hotel reservatiosn for attendees as well as working with C airlines to reschedule non refundable tickets (airlines will refund  non-refundable tickets).  G As an indication of how long this will take: Houston has just cancelled F its Astrodome's schedule because they will bus people from New OrleansG to Houston, and they've zapped all events there until December already. 9 (shouldn't they use military airlifts instead of buses ?)    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2005 12:22:19 -05002 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) 3 Message-ID: <gYVB8UfbOS4a@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <43155FF0.B6A4536C@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:B > Anyone have any news on whether the event organisers have made a > decision on this ?  , Postponed. http://www.hptechnologyforum.com/  L I wouldn't bet on a quick reschedule. I'm sure that there are many cancelled> NO events competing for limited available resources elsewhere.  J > I wonder if they could move it to San Francisco and make use of the slotD > that had been taken by Interex before Interex declared bankrupcy ?  , Sure. Set the WAYBACK machine to last month.   --  O   Bob Kaplow   NAR # 18L   >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< E Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I         We must have faith in our democratic system and our Constitution, K         and in our ability to protect at the same time both the freedom and '         the security of all Americans.     ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2005 07:43:38 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: Itanium Solutions Alliance 3 Message-ID: <hCqK$v9fCoyb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <oI8Re.3603$bT1.2986@fe08.lga>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Ro=DFert_G=2E_Schaffrath=22?= writes: > G > It is interesting that Digital was able to pull this off back in the  B > late 70's when they introduced the VAX and it's not 100% PDP-11 A > compatible architecture.  I always found Data General's 32-bit  H > architecture and extensions in their MV series to be more elegant but : > they just did not have the market presence that DEC had.  E    The 0.1% of PDP-11 that wasn't available on VAXen didn't stop many D    applications.  I found it much more interesting when DEC came out7    with VEST instead of a compatability mode for Alpha.   B    A compatability mode (or even a VAX coprocessor) on Alpha wouldB    probably have slowed down the memory subsystem so much that theC    Alpha chip would have had to have idle states added.  VEST was a     complex but better solution.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:37:05 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ' Subject: Re: Itanium Solutions Alliance ( Message-ID: <opswdmv306zgicya@hyrrokkin>  , On 31 Aug 2005 07:43:38 -0500, Bob Koehler  0 <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:  B >  A compatability mode (or even a VAX coprocessor) on Alpha wouldD >    probably have slowed down the memory subsystem so much that theE >    Alpha chip would have had to have idle states added.  VEST was a ! >    complex but better solution.   D Not necessarily.  A verically microcoded engine might have been veryB workable.  VAX images are about  1/3 the size of Alpha so not sure? it would slow down the memory system, it might have sped it up!    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:20:09 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>' Subject: Re: Itanium Solutions Alliance = Message-ID: <JUjRe.39331$5m3.29935@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    JF Mezei wrote:   g > http://news.com.com/Itanium+allies+to+pool+development+efforts/2100-1006_3-5844877.html?tag=nefd.lede  > B > Intel is getting its IA64 customers to fund an Itanium Solutions4 > Alliance to help promopte the struggling alliance. > J > The article then moves on to more familiar territory, outlining why IA64F > just hasn't caught on. (It isn't just the inquirer that has negative > spin on IA64).  G The entire IT news industry knows that Itanium is critically ill. They  B only differ on whether it's terminal or not. Most have just about E forgotten about it. It was extremely telling that Intel's CEO didn't  E mention the Itanic at all during his 1 hour long keynote at IDF last  G week - "In terms of Itanium it was time budget. I was given 59 minutes  9 and I hit 59 minutes." I read that as "That's all folks."   D The presentations are all available for replay on Intel's web site. D Worth checking out. Itanic did get a brief 10 minute mention on day I three. Very, very tellingly nothing was even hinted at beyond Montecito.  J And the presentation with SGI seemed just to be going through the motions.  I Watching the presentations it is clear Intel is throwing everything plus   the kitchen sink at X86-64.   G > In line with that high-end positioning, Microsoft's planned update to I > its Windows Server 2003 operating system--called R2--won't be available F > for Itanium. Microsoft's rationale for the move is that R2 is gearedG > toward smaller servers. The Window Server 2003 successor due in 2007, = > code-named Longhorn Server, will support Itanium, however.     We shall see won't we...    I > The big question now is whether this effort to keep IA64 alive is Intel J > driven, or driven by HP and possibly SGI to help justify their continued > reliance on that chip.  4 SGI seem to be implementing plan "B" move to X86-64.   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:34:55 -0500 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> ' Subject: Re: Itanium Solutions Alliance 5 Message-ID: <slrndhbjgv.4gu.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   [ In article <431511EF.7EB7E39E@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:  > G > In line with that high-end positioning, Microsoft's planned update to I > its Windows Server 2003 operating system--called R2--won't be available F > for Itanium. Microsoft's rationale for the move is that R2 is gearedG > toward smaller servers. The Window Server 2003 successor due in 2007, = > code-named Longhorn Server, will support Itanium, however.    A I should point out that, in all fairness, Microsoft is not in the C business of welfare or doing things out of goodness of their heart. ) They exist to make money, and lots of it.   H It seems doubtful to me that they would throw money at a port to ItaniumG if it was expected to 'go away' around the 2007-2008 timeframe, just as  they bring out Longhorn Server.   D Although, I guess it's always possible someone was paying them to do< that port. There's certainly historical precedence for that.  @ Still, by doing such a port, I have to wonder if Microsoft knows something the rest of us don't?    -Dan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:31:25 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>' Subject: Re: Itanium Solutions Alliance = Message-ID: <xXkRe.39455$5m3.15149@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Dan Foster wrote:    > J > It seems doubtful to me that they would throw money at a port to ItaniumI > if it was expected to 'go away' around the 2007-2008 timeframe, just as ! > they bring out Longhorn Server.  > F > Although, I guess it's always possible someone was paying them to do> > that port. There's certainly historical precedence for that. > B > Still, by doing such a port, I have to wonder if Microsoft knows! > something the rest of us don't?   G Remember the Windows code base is common. It's not so much a matter of  H doing the port as supporting it forward. Windows Server 2003 is already I on Itanium. The fact that R2 won't be suggests to me that Longhorn never  > will be either. Of course they can't say that yet. It's worth ? remembering that Windows 2000 on Alpha was cancelled after its  C completion but before product ship. Windows 2000 RC2 went out from  C Microsoft before the plug was pulled. Microsoft dropped it because  F Compaq pulled out and made clear to MS that Alpha had no future while # continuing to lie to its customers.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:38:37 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: Itanium Solutions Alliance , Message-ID: <4315DD07.C757E78E@teksavvy.com>   Dan Foster wrote: C > I should point out that, in all fairness, Microsoft is not in the E > business of welfare or doing things out of goodness of their heart. + > They exist to make money, and lots of it.  > J > It seems doubtful to me that they would throw money at a port to ItaniumA > if it was expected to 'go away' around the 2007-2008 timeframe,     E Relationship between corporations and Intel, and between Corporations E and Microsoft have all to do with welfare... of Intel and Microsoft.    H PC manufacturers are willing to make self sacrifices and lose money justF so they can please Intel and Microsoft and obtain a rebate of a penny,@ hoping it will make them competitive against the other PC maker.    D In this particular case, if Intel subsidized the port of VMS to thatE IA64 thing, then they probably also subsidized the port of Windows to H that IA64 thing in exchange for certain goodies that will benefit Intel.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:19:35 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> + Subject: Re: Katrina and disaster tolerance 3 Message-ID: <rMkRe.11467$dm7.7994@news.cpqcorp.net>    O'Brien Paddy wrote:H > Well JF, you can probably bet your last dollar that anything that VMS K > covers will never be told to the world.  (Just pre-empting John Smith :-)   , That choice is up to HP's customers, not HP.  F Commerzbank chose to share their 9/11 story publicly, for which we're  all grateful -- see : http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/commerzbank/. D eSpeed/Cantor-Fitzgerald was another VMS-based 9/11 survivor -- see 6 http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,40716,00.asp and I http://www.baselinemag.com/print_article2/0,2533,a=17022,00.asp. Capitol  5 Health Authority shared their experience here -- see  G http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/2e4deb37038472a2?hl=en&  & Merrill Corp. also shared here -- see F http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/27d8c99a21665015?hl=en&   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:04:54 -0700 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> ; Subject: Re: OT: .com spending no longer and porting issues 7 Message-ID: <3f119ada05083110043ad4e18e@mail.gmail.com>   : On 8/29/05, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:E > This is from an interview with the CEO of Adobe (a company which no J > longer has anything to do with VMS since the purchase of DEC by Compaq). >=20I > This one is interesting in the context of the HP apologists saying that ' > the port to IA64 is just a recompile:  >=20 > ##J > Let's talk about Apple Computer. What is the early word about moving Mac8 > apps over to work on Intel-based systems? Not so easy? >=20I > Chizen: No, it's not...If you look at most testing cycles, that's three J > or four months until the product's out. You can't just turn a switch and. > get a MacTel product...and Steve knows that. > ## >=20E > Steve Jobs knows that, but like VMS engineers, bragged about how it 9 > would be just a simple recompile for most applications.    OS !=3D applications, eh?   B I'll admit, for us, it wasn't a simple recompile. I had to twiddleF some stuff in the build formula, instead of testing for .EQS. "Alpha",D  now it tests for .NES. "VAX". Took me all of a half an hour to find? the issue, ponder a bit, and fix it. SHOULD another platform be D available, the test now does the Right Thing(tm) and I won't have to deal with it again.   D I would expect OS code or apps that get into the guts of hardware toE be more somewhat more involved... Note the VMS engineers didn't "just  recompile", either.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:58:03 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>; Subject: Re: OT: .com spending no longer and porting issues 3 Message-ID: <LcmRe.11472$Gq7.5510@news.cpqcorp.net>    DeanW wrote:   > F > I would expect OS code or apps that get into the guts of hardware toG > be more somewhat more involved... Note the VMS engineers didn't "just  > recompile", either.   D I'd guess that 80-90% of VMS "just recompiled".  We had a couple of  interesting cases.  F One, we didn't think we had bugcheck ready to take a crash dump.  The E code recompiled cleanly, but we thought we would have to make *some*  G changes.  However, somebody just hit ;C in XDELTA instead of ;P and lo  D and behold, we had a dump file.  I think we did have to go back and F extend the crash dumping to dump out unwind descriptors and the like, ; but we were shocked how well it worked without touching it.   H The code for SMP was much the same way.  We forgot to comment it out in F the build and guess what?  It worked untouched (again, I think we did K enhance the code later for better handling of some IA64-specific features).   F I know of many, many pieces that simply recompiled and have yet to be  touched by human hands.      --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:32:42 -0400 ( From: "Joe the Aroma" <bdjr76@yahoo.com>' Subject: Pass arguments to a .com file. ? Message-ID: <4315bf03$0$571$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>    Hi,   F I want to to have dir sort by size so I created the following command:  E pipe dir /size %blah% | sort /key=(POS:25,SIZ:10) sys$pipe sys$output   M This will output whatever dir %blah% is sorted by size. I'd like to create a  K symbol or .com file to so that you can do something like @dirsize argument  * (where dirsize.com is the .com filename).    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:33:30 +0300 0 From: "MUSTAFA ATAKAN" <matakan@inteltek.com.tr>+ Subject: RE: Pass arguments to a .com file. L Message-ID: <F014DACB8BE63442993543B780A2F0180163BE2A@asteriks.inteltek.ist>   Hi Joe,   E   you can create a dcl script named dirsize and in the script symbols F p1, p2, ... Pn  refers to first argument, second arg. third arg... and/ so on that you supply in the command prompt.=20    -----Original Message-----0 From: Joe the Aroma [mailto:bdjr76@yahoo.com]=20( Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:33 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' Subject: Pass arguments to a .com file.    Hi,   F I want to to have dir sort by size so I created the following command:  G pipe dir /size %blah% | sort /key=3D(POS:25,SIZ:10) sys$pipe sys$output   C This will output whatever dir %blah% is sorted by size. I'd like to A create a symbol or .com file to so that you can do something like > @dirsize argument (where dirsize.com is the .com filename).=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:36:45 -0700 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>+ Subject: Re: Pass arguments to a .com file. + Message-ID: <df4mat$d4i$1@news01.intel.com>    Joe the Aroma wrote: > Hi,  > H > I want to to have dir sort by size so I created the following command: > G > pipe dir /size %blah% | sort /key=(POS:25,SIZ:10) sys$pipe sys$output  > O > This will output whatever dir %blah% is sorted by size. I'd like to create a  M > symbol or .com file to so that you can do something like @dirsize argument  , > (where dirsize.com is the .com filename).   ? (My news feed seems to be having problems, so apologies if this ' has already been answered 10 times... )   B      Yes, create a command file to do what you want, but I suggestA using temporary files rather than PIPE.  Managing temporary files = can be a little tedious, but I find it more robust than other D solutions.  Something along the lines of the following (not tested):  : $ outfile = "SYS$SCRATCH:DIRTEMP''F$GetJpi("","PID")'.TMP"# $ Directory/Size/Out='outfile' 'P1' 2 $ Sort /Key=(Posi:25,Size:10) 'outfile' SYS$OUTPUT $ Delete/NoConfirm 'outfile';*  @ Then, given you've put the above in SYS$LOGIN:DIRSIZE.COM, add a! symbol to your LOGIN.COM like so:   " $ DIRS*IZE == "@SYS$LOGIN:DIRSIZE"   and use it as:   $ dirsize %blah%  $      Notes on the command procedure:  8 	1) There is no error checking.  You may find it helpful to put a $ SET NOON at the top.   7 	2) The symbol P1 is the (first) input parameter to the B command procedure. That will be the (optional) possibly wildcarded@ file spec that you're taking a directory of. (Aside: in DCL, the@ percent sign, "%", is a single character wildcard; if that's NOT+ what you  meant, remove the percent signs.)   5 	3) As a matter of style, I prefer to fully spell out A DCL verb names, e.g., DIRECTORY, inside command procedures.  This A serves the dual function of clearly documenting the procedure and ? of avoiding possible conflicts, for the most part, with symbols $ that may be defined in your process.  
 	Regards, Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:18:05 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> + Subject: Re: Pass arguments to a .com file. * Message-ID: <iDlRe.4072$aR1.3063@fe07.lga>   Ken Fairfield wrote:: >     3) As a matter of style, I prefer to fully spell outC > DCL verb names, e.g., DIRECTORY, inside command procedures.  This C > serves the dual function of clearly documenting the procedure and A > of avoiding possible conflicts, for the most part, with symbols & > that may be defined in your process.  H Why not just SET SYMBOL/SCOPE to address that? Isn't that what it's for?  G Users I run across seem to _love_ $DEL*ETE :== ... in their LOGIN.COMs  > and using the full spelling of DELETE doesn't circumvent that.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:28:32 +0300 0 From: "MUSTAFA ATAKAN" <matakan@inteltek.com.tr>( Subject: Possible reasons of a file lossL Message-ID: <F014DACB8BE63442993543B780A2F0180163BE28@asteriks.inteltek.ist>   Hi,   G Is there any possible reason of a file loss in OpenVMS. This loss event E occured two times, both on Monday's but the dates are different. So I D have checked the Sunday evening backup, the file was there. However,D while i have checked the Monday evening backup, the file was absent.E Between these two backup times, the only commands that are run on the G directory of these files are "analyze /disk /repair" and "purge". Is it H possible that one of these commands may be responsible of the file loss?  H Or is there any way to trace the user's activity history to find out any$ deletion commands that they entered?   My OpenVMS version: 7.3-2 8 Disks are in HSG80 Compaq storage and in SAN environment Fibre SCSI patch is v0300    Best Regards...    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:32:16 -0400 5 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> , Subject: RE: Possible reasons of a file lossQ Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D507CBD7DE@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>   F turn on accounting on the file and the directory the file is in to see what may be doing it...    -----Original Message-----8 From: MUSTAFA ATAKAN [mailto:matakan@inteltek.com.tr]=20) Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:29 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ( Subject: Possible reasons of a file loss     Hi,   G Is there any possible reason of a file loss in OpenVMS. This loss event E occured two times, both on Monday's but the dates are different. So I D have checked the Sunday evening backup, the file was there. However,D while i have checked the Monday evening backup, the file was absent.E Between these two backup times, the only commands that are run on the G directory of these files are "analyze /disk /repair" and "purge". Is it H possible that one of these commands may be responsible of the file loss?  H Or is there any way to trace the user's activity history to find out any$ deletion commands that they entered?   My OpenVMS version: 7.3-2 8 Disks are in HSG80 Compaq storage and in SAN environment Fibre SCSI patch is v0300    Best Regards...     ) ----------------------------------------- D The information contained in this transmission may be privileged andD confidential and is intended only for the use of the person(s) namedL above. 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In the U.S.: 1345 Avenue of the Americas, N= ew York,	 NY 10105.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:40:02 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> , Subject: Re: Possible reasons of a file loss3 Message-ID: <C3lRe.11468$sn7.6498@news.cpqcorp.net>    Bochnik, William J wrote: H > turn on accounting on the file and the directory the file is in to see > what may be doing it...   L I'm confident William meant to say "auditing" rather than "accounting" here.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:26:44 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Possible reasons of a file loss, Message-ID: <4315DA41.A4A3C961@teksavvy.com>   MUSTAFA ATAKAN wrote: I > Is there any possible reason of a file loss in OpenVMS. This loss event B > occured two times, both on Monday's but the dates are different.  F You can set an ACL on the file which sets an alarm on any file access.D You can then consult operator.log to find out who the last person to touch the file was.   & HELP/LIBRARY=SYS$HELP:ACLEDT.HLB ALARM  
 typically:  N SET FILE mumble/ACL=(ALARM=SECURITY, ACCESS=read+write+delete+SUCCESS+FAILURE)  F (I think SET FILE/ACL is no longer the prefered command, I think it is7 something like SET SECURITY which needs more arguments)    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2005 12:25:47 -05002 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow), Subject: Re: Possible reasons of a file loss3 Message-ID: <iYCSnZj6v7K3@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <F014DACB8BE63442993543B780A2F0180163BE28@asteriks.inteltek.ist>, "MUSTAFA ATAKAN" <matakan@inteltek.com.tr> writes: I > Is there any possible reason of a file loss in OpenVMS. This loss event G > occured two times, both on Monday's but the dates are different. So I F > have checked the Sunday evening backup, the file was there. However,F > while i have checked the Monday evening backup, the file was absent.G > Between these two backup times, the only commands that are run on the I > directory of these files are "analyze /disk /repair" and "purge". Is it J > possible that one of these commands may be responsible of the file loss?  J Have you looked in the [SYSLOST] directory on the device to see if analyze% found the lost file and put it there?    --  O   Bob Kaplow   NAR # 18L   >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< E Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I         We must have faith in our democratic system and our Constitution, K         and in our ability to protect at the same time both the freedom and '         the security of all Americans.     ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2005 07:45:13 -0700" From: "NOSPAM" <user@lngs.infn.it> Subject: problem with SLS C Message-ID: <1125499513.866544.273470@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hello,B        i am working on a VMS/AXP 7.3-1, which has a TL820 jukebox.7 The installation of SLS 2.9C fails when running the IVP   (storage add operation) :  C "SLS does not respond!  Run SLS$SYSTEM:SLS$SLSMGR.EXE on the server D and make sure all nodes can access the server database.  Run the IVP? again. If there still is a problem, restart SLS and run the IVP  again."   7 while this happen, this error is logged on the console:   6 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  31-AUG-2005 16:02:52.82  %%%%%%%%% Message from user SLS on AXPGS3 B SLS$TAPMGRRQ, -SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejected  7 After sys$startup:sls$startup  the processes are there:   A 22400137 SLS$TAPMGRDB  LEF   10   198   0 00:00:00.17  1064    97 A 22400138 SLS$TAPMGRRQ  LEF    9   928   0 00:00:00.51  1620   297 A 2240013A SLS$OPCOM     HIB    6    45   0 00:00:00.03   186   207   ( the network object SLS$DBX appear be ok.  E Running SLS$SYSTEM:SLS$SLSMGR.EXE I added AXPGS3 as authorized client D but, the option 2 (Volume Pool Auth.) didn't work, it hangs while on. the console a new OPCOM like before cames out.   Any help about it? Thanks, bye,   Nazzareno TaborgnaF ----------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2005 09:40:42 -0700" From: pchunt@users.sourceforge.net) Subject: Re: Replacement for VT terminals C Message-ID: <1125506442.301964.252800@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote:  > Hello H > I am trying to replace all the VTs connected to the console port on my< > VAXes. I was thinking of buying a cheap pc and then addingE > some more serial ports and using Powerterm/Hyperterm. I recall that G > a long time ago someone connected the console port to a DECsever. Any  > thoughts/input would be nice.   C Since your considering a DIY PC solution, I'd like to point out the D OKVM Console Manager project I participate in, you can read about itE here http://okvm.sourceforge.net/consoleman.html. It is a linux based E solution which converts a PC into a Serial Console over IP server. It D comes with all the important features your commercial serial console servers ship with.  F If you don't have the time or inclination to setup the system yourselfC Opengear sell a commercialised version of the Console Manager which = runs directly from CD (similar to knoppix) which comes with a D multi-port serial card for extra ports, you can read about that here* (http://opengear.com/product-cmx8604.html)   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2005 08:51:11 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)% Subject: Re: SFTP in batch- password? , Message-ID: <43156f7f$1@news.langstoeger.at>  ` In article <1125443216.747119.127680@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, dooleys@snowy.net.au writes: >apparently the syntax is ' >$ sftp "-Bbatch.txt" 'username'@'node' > >I don't know if the pwd should be the first line of batch.txt$ >or put in with the username somehow  B Have you tried $ sftp "-Bbatch.txt" 'username':'password'@'node' ?   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2005 08:49:15 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)% Subject: Re: SFTP in batch- password? * Message-ID: <43156f0b@news.langstoeger.at>  _ In article <3f119ada050830115858b2fa6f@mail.gmail.com>, DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> writes: J >We're trying to use SFTP to communicate to another VMS box, doing routineK >file transfers in batch mode, but can't figure out how to get it to take a F >password except interactively. Is this possible, or do we need to try >something else?  7 The obvious suggestion is COPY over DECnet (over TCPIP) @ and with Proxies you don't even need a password in your scripts.  , FTP and COPY/FTP is worse and SFTP is worst.+ Maybe in some more years they get usable...   1 For an answer to your question please be patient.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:01:03 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG% Subject: Re: SFTP in batch- password? 0 Message-ID: <00A4918A.98B26CA0@SendSpamHere.ORG>  e In article <43156f7f$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: a >In article <1125443216.747119.127680@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, dooleys@snowy.net.au writes:  >>apparently the syntax is( >>$ sftp "-Bbatch.txt" 'username'@'node'? >>I don't know if the pwd should be the first line of batch.txt % >>or put in with the username somehow  > C >Have you tried $ sftp "-Bbatch.txt" 'username':'password'@'node' ?    That doesn't work. --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:43:59 -0700 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> % Subject: Re: SFTP in batch- password? 7 Message-ID: <3f119ada05083108434e5b2e53@mail.gmail.com>   8 On 31 Aug 2005 08:49:15 +0100, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote: L > In article <3f119ada050830115858b2fa6f@mail.gmail.com>, DeanW <dean.woodw= ard@gmail.com> writes:L > >We're trying to use SFTP to communicate to another VMS box, doing routin= e L > >file transfers in batch mode, but can't figure out how to get it to take=  aH > >password except interactively. Is this possible, or do we need to try > >something else? >=209 > The obvious suggestion is COPY over DECnet (over TCPIP) B > and with Proxies you don't even need a password in your scripts.  @ Not all nodes run DECnet, there's a firewall in the middle, etc.   SFTP or sneakernet, I'm afraid.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2005 18:56:37 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)% Subject: Re: SFTP in batch- password? , Message-ID: <4315fd65$1@news.langstoeger.at>  _ In article <3f119ada05083108434e5b2e53@mail.gmail.com>, DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> writes: 9 >On 31 Aug 2005 08:49:15 +0100, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER  ><peter@langstoeger.at> wrote:b >> In article <3f119ada050830115858b2fa6f@mail.gmail.com>, DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> writes:M >> >We're trying to use SFTP to communicate to another VMS box, doing routine N >> >file transfers in batch mode, but can't figure out how to get it to take aI >> >password except interactively. Is this possible, or do we need to try  >> >something else?  >>: >> The obvious suggestion is COPY over DECnet (over TCPIP)C >> and with Proxies you don't even need a password in your scripts.  > A >Not all nodes run DECnet, there's a firewall in the middle, etc.   K If the firewall allows TCP port 399 (just as it allows 20-21) no problem...     >SFTP or sneakernet, I'm afraid.   Be very afraid.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2005 03:32:28 -0700# From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> ) Subject: Re: simh with logical networking C Message-ID: <1125484348.673445.211120@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   9 I'll have to try the equivalent on my OS X 10.3.9 system.   F Has anyone tried to use TUN? I wondered if it might be lower overhead,E as it seems that it might impose less overhead (by not having to take ) everything all the way to the MAC level.)   C But then, I can't imagine what (if anything) the other end of a TUN B would look like to a simh Vax, or to a VMS system running thereon.' Perhaps it wouldn't be usable at all...    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2005 07:45:15 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: simh with logical networking 3 Message-ID: <yiY+X0XCAJO1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <1125484348.673445.211120@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> writes: ; > I'll have to try the equivalent on my OS X 10.3.9 system.  >  > Has anyone tried to use TUN?        I'll bite.  What is TUN?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:03:57 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>) Subject: Re: simh with logical networking = Message-ID: <xFjRe.39301$5m3.11949@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Bob Koehler wrote:k > In article <1125484348.673445.211120@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> writes:  > ; >>I'll have to try the equivalent on my OS X 10.3.9 system.  >> >>Has anyone tried to use TUN?   >  >  >    I'll bite.  What is TUN?   @ As far as I understand it TUN is just an IP TUNnel only logical G interface. You are definitely not going to be able to cluster over it.  I TAP carries all traffic across the logical LAN including SCS and you can  H bring up a cluster over it if you have bandwidth and low enough latency.   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:03:42 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> * Subject: Re: Simh. How to triple the speed3 Message-ID: <2NiRe.11452$4g7.5327@news.cpqcorp.net>    Bob Koehler wrote:H >   The VMS idle loop is architecture dependent.  The last time I lookedJ >   at the VAX listings it was simply the smallest possible infinite loop: >        >       10$:  BRB   10$   @ You must have looked prior to V5.0 with its introduction of SMP.  C There is a branch-to-self line like this in EXCEPTION.EXE which is  H executed at the end of shutdown right after VMS prints the "use console G to halt system" message. That instruction (branch-to-self) is probably  & fairly easy for an emulator to detect.  H With SMP, the idle loop on each CPU in a VAX essentially keeps checking 0 to try to find a process which that CPU can run.  D There appear to be hooks for an architecture-specific EXE$PROC_IDLE F routine to be called, but I haven't been able to find anywhere in the 1 7.3 listings showing where that gets set or used.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:03:21 -0400 3 From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@REMOVEintelME.com> % Subject: Re: VAXen as a plural of VAX 8 Message-ID: <ovkbh15d95n6bmgnvnmlnfs9usp70cd7ab@4ax.com>  5 On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:10:16 +0100, Tim ffrench-Lynch 3 <tim-DOT-ffrench-HYPHEN-lynch@selex-sas.com> wrote:   G >Is VAXen a well enough established plural of VAX to use in a technical 
 >document?  N Back around 1979, there was a (humorous) attempt to answer this question, withI a number of alternatives proposed.  My favorite at the time was "VAXoth",  which was alleged to be Hebrew.   F Of course, the lawyers would want you to say "VAX systems", (with (TM)I acknowledgement), and if I were writing a technical paper, I would choose N something like that rather than trying to be clever and pluralize a trademark. Steve    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2005 07:47:40 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: WINSCP nw works with Multinet server 3 Message-ID: <6wZ7sNGZtdo$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   1    For those of us who have to live with Windows:   @    The current version of WINSCP (an SCP/SFTP GUI client related>    to puTTY) works reasonably well with a Multinet 4.4 server.  >    I don't know when that was introduced, but it's a disctinct0    improvement over binary-only psftp transfers.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2005 10:13:11 -0700$ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org>1 Subject: Re: WINSCP nw works with Multinet server B Message-ID: <1125508391.076724.13660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  E I would just be happy if the 5.0 scp client could transfer text files F on a consistent basis.  Process broke it in the SSH-030_A050 patch kit> and we've had an open call with them for several weeks with no identified fix in sight.  	    .../Ed    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.486 ************************