1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 01 Dec 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 669       Contents:* Re: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie* Re: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie* Re: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie* Re: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie* Re: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie* Re: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie" Re: DVD writer for a 600au and VMS FMS Documentation  Re: FMS Documentation ' Re: Help, I need a VMS Alpha 8.2 OS kit @ Re: Info-ZIP UnZip 6.0c BETA now available.  Zip usage question.@ Re: Info-ZIP UnZip 6.0c BETA now available.  Zip usage question.& Re: Java App crashes under user SYSTEM) Kennedy 9600 9-track w/DQ132 on mVAX-II?? - Re: Kennedy 9600 9-track w/DQ132 on mVAX-II??  Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?  Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?  Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?  Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?  Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?  Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?  Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?  Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?  Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?  Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?  Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?  Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ? # osCommerce or similar shopping cart ' Re: osCommerce or similar shopping cart ' Re: osCommerce or similar shopping cart , Re: Vaxstation 3100 1gig limit & MOP booting, Re: Vaxstation 3100 1gig limit & MOP booting  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:52:06 +0100+ From: Marc Schlensog <fishtank.spam@web.de> 3 Subject: Re: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie : Message-ID: <20051201115206.07aa96eb.fishtank.spam@web.de>   On 30 Nov 2005 12:23:19 -0600 . Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  G > In article <dmko9l$1hm$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG  > (Keith A. Lewis) writes:7 > > Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes in article H > > <11opto6erv5fted@corp.supernews.com> dated Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:50:08
 > > -0500:H > >>David Turner may have some DS10L systems available near that price. A > >>That would get you an EV6.  Not many PCI slots though, and no * > >Ethernet  >on the motherboard, I think. > > G > > The DS10L has 2 ethernet ports, not sure if they're directly on the D > > mobo but they don't take up the 1 PCI slot.  So yes you can haveC > > both ethernet and video, or ethernet and SCSI, but not SCSI and 
 > > video. > E > Isn't there a one-slot PCI "combo card" to handle both (and a third 	 > item) ?   C Yes, there is. The Intraserver ITI-6000-series. I have one of those ? boards lying around because my XP1000 doesn't seem to like it.  E It contains two SCSI-busses (SYM53c896), two digital 21143-NICs and a < Permedia2 graphics chip. I don't have the VGA cable, though.D Anyway, if anyone is interested, I could give it away for a lot less@ than 900 bucks. Feel free to email me. It is located in Germany.   Regards,   Marc   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:20:12 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 3 Subject: Re: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie ( Message-ID: <ops03wnypwzgicya@hyrrokkin>  J On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:52:06 +0100, Marc Schlensog <fishtank.spam@web.de>   wrote:  E > Yes, there is. The Intraserver ITI-6000-series. I have one of those @ > boards lying around because my XP1000 doesn't seem to like it.G > It contains two SCSI-busses (SYM53c896), two digital 21143-NICs and a > > Permedia2 graphics chip. I don't have the VGA cable, though.F > Anyway, if anyone is interested, I could give it away for a lot lessB > than 900 bucks. Feel free to email me. It is located in Germany.  % Doesn't like it?  Is it an SRM issue?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:39:56 +0100+ From: Marc Schlensog <fishtank.spam@web.de> 3 Subject: Re: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie : Message-ID: <20051201143956.70d39c1d.fishtank.spam@web.de>  " On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:20:12 -0800$ "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  3 > On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:52:06 +0100, Marc Schlensog ! > <fishtank.spam@web.de>   wrote:  > G > > Yes, there is. The Intraserver ITI-6000-series. I have one of those B > > boards lying around because my XP1000 doesn't seem to like it.G > > It contains two SCSI-busses (SYM53c896), two digital 21143-NICs and B > > a Permedia2 graphics chip. I don't have the VGA cable, though.H > > Anyway, if anyone is interested, I could give it away for a lot lessD > > than 900 bucks. Feel free to email me. It is located in Germany. > ' > Doesn't like it?  Is it an SRM issue?   E Yes. It used to work before upgrading to 5.9-1. After that, SRM stops  during initialization at E7.   Marc   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2005 05:40:53 -0800  From: bob@instantwhip.com 3 Subject: Re: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie C Message-ID: <1133444453.301455.156640@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   / call Dave at Island computers ... he has DS10Ls  which would be perfect ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:50:26 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 3 Subject: Re: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie ( Message-ID: <ops030ucapzgicya@hyrrokkin>  J On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:39:56 +0100, Marc Schlensog <fishtank.spam@web.de>   wrote:  $ > On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:20:12 -0800& > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote: > 4 >> On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:52:06 +0100, Marc Schlensog" >> <fishtank.spam@web.de>   wrote: >>H >> > Yes, there is. The Intraserver ITI-6000-series. I have one of thoseC >> > boards lying around because my XP1000 doesn't seem to like it. H >> > It contains two SCSI-busses (SYM53c896), two digital 21143-NICs andC >> > a Permedia2 graphics chip. I don't have the VGA cable, though. I >> > Anyway, if anyone is interested, I could give it away for a lot less E >> > than 900 bucks. Feel free to email me. It is located in Germany.  >>( >> Doesn't like it?  Is it an SRM issue? > G > Yes. It used to work before upgrading to 5.9-1. After that, SRM stops  > during initialization at E7.G So it would work if you went back to prior version?  What was added for  5.9-1? Tom  >  > Marc   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:57:45 +0100+ From: Marc Schlensog <fishtank.spam@web.de> 3 Subject: Re: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie : Message-ID: <20051201165745.543e1a42.fishtank.spam@web.de>  " On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:50:26 -0800$ "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  3 > On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:39:56 +0100, Marc Schlensog ! > <fishtank.spam@web.de>   wrote:  > [...] C > > Yes. It used to work before upgrading to 5.9-1. After that, SRM & > > stops during initialization at E7.E > So it would work if you went back to prior version?  What was added  > for 5.9-1? > Tom   E I guess so. It would keep me from installing OpenVMS, though. I don't B know what was added. I'm not even sure, which version I had before= (5.6, if I'm not mistaken). Something similar occured with an C Eiger-system I once had. The board got recognized in AlphaBIOS, SRM H refused to go beyond E7. Talking to the guys who manufactured the systemG (Force Computers), I found out that there was some SRM-limitation which < prevented it from seeing devices behind a PCI-to-PCI-bridge.C My Miata MX5 didn't even want to see it at all, which, on the other 4 hand, might have been related to the broken chipset.   Marc   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2005 09:57:57 +0100 C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) + Subject: Re: DVD writer for a 600au and VMS 2 Message-ID: <438ebb15$1@merkur.rz.uni-konstanz.de>  C In article <1133358552.795272.191950@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,  bob@instantwhip.com writes: C >can you use dvdwrite to do an image backup to cd and boot from it?  >  >  Sure,   = DVDwrite is written for OpenVMS (that includes DCL error code ' information, if somethings goes wrong).   @ You can copy a CD from your CD-ROM drive directly to the burner.       $ mount/for/nocache <cdrom>   ! $ dvdwrite/write <cdrom> <burner>        eberhard    ? ------------ And now a word from our sponsor ------------------ > Want to have instant messaging, and chat rooms, and discussion: groups for your local users or business, you need dbabble!? --  See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_dbabble.htm  ----    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:03:23 +0100+ From: "Volker Englisch" <v.englisch@gmx.de>  Subject: FMS Documentation1 Message-ID: <dmn3c4.14o.1@seniorenheim-reutin.de>    Hi!    I was told that FMS was much better for designing screen layouts than it's successor, forms. I'm a hobbyist and do have FMS on my  Alpha machine, but I can't find any documentation for FMS. HP's homepage shows only ways to order some. Even with google, I can't * find anything about FMS, only about FORMS.  . So, is there any source for FMS doc out there?   TIA  V.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:55:06 +0100 ) From: pasdespam <pasdespam@pasdespam.com>  Subject: Re: FMS Documentation7 Message-ID: <438f0ef7$0$20182$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>    Volker Englisch wrote:   > Hi!  > L > I was told that FMS was much better for designing screen layouts than it'sK > successor, forms. I'm a hobbyist and do have FMS on my Alpha machine, but J > I can't find any documentation for FMS. HP's homepage shows only ways toK > order some. Even with google, I can't find anything about FMS, only about  > FORMS. > 0 > So, is there any source for FMS doc out there? >  > TIA  > V. there is some on sysworks B http://www.sysworks.com.au/disk$vaxdocsep001/progtool/d3tfaa11.bkb   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2005 11:13:21 +0100 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)0 Subject: Re: Help, I need a VMS Alpha 8.2 OS kit, Message-ID: <438edad1$1@news.langstoeger.at>  ` In article <ItXV+I98BUlg@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:  . Drop me a line with your real mail address ;-) --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:58:00 +0000 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>I Subject: Re: Info-ZIP UnZip 6.0c BETA now available.  Zip usage question. 4 Message-ID: <dmmduo$g1l$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   Steven M. Schweda wrote:  >       Informal Zip user survey  >       ------------------------ >  >    Zip has a pair of options:  > ( >       -x   exclude the following names- >       -i   include only the following names  > G > I don't think that they work as documented, and they definitely don't J > have conventional VMS /EXCLUDE and /INCLUDE behavior.  This leads to the > following questions: > 1 >    1. Is anyone using these Zip options on VMS?  > H >    2. Would anyone notice/care/complain if they started to behave more7 >       like typical VMS /EXCLUDE and /INCLUDE options?  > F > To avoid bias, I'm trying not to say how I think that they behave orH > what may or may not be wrong with their behavior.  Also, as any changeE > to this code would seem to involve actual work, it's not certain to H > happen in any case.  (Of course, if no one actually uses them, then no, > one would care if their behavior changed.)  F I've tried to use them, but have rarely got the behaviour I hoped for.I Directory followed by zip @ has been the reliable route - and that gives   more selection criteria anyway. 4 Are they broken, or just different to expectations ?  G I wouldn't mind them changing, but I would think it a bad thing if the  F VMS version were to diverge from the standard version in any way that " could impact the release schedule.   Chris    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:52:18 -0600 (CST)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)I Subject: Re: Info-ZIP UnZip 6.0c BETA now available.  Zip usage question. 2 Message-ID: <05120107521876_2038971B@antinode.org>  0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>  ! > >    Zip has a pair of options:  > > * > >       -x   exclude the following names/ > >       -i   include only the following names   H > I've tried to use them, but have rarely got the behaviour I hoped for.  G    That was my experience, and Zip 3 was actually a bit worse than 2.x.   K > Directory followed by zip @ has been the reliable route - and that gives  ! > more selection criteria anyway. 6 > Are they broken, or just different to expectations ?  B    Some of each, I claim.  I also got an ex-group response saying:  G 2> I do not currently use -i, but I do attempt to use -x. I would agree G 2> that there certainly seem to be some anomalies! Sometimes the option E 2> appears to w=ork as I would expect, but at other times it gives me  2> unexpected results. 2>  E 2> Anything that was a closer approximation to the VMS style would be  2> greatly appreciated.     I > I wouldn't mind them changing, but I would think it a bad thing if the  H > VMS version were to diverge from the standard version in any way that $ > could impact the release schedule.  B    The "schedule" (if you can call it that) should be safe.  ThereF should be at least one more formal beta release before the real thing.  <    Also, on the "osCommerce or similar shopping cart" front:  > > Haven't tried the zipped version, since zip doesn't do ods5.  F    You might try UnZip 6.0c BETA, as recently seen in this space.  (It: may not work, but it should at least try harder than 5.x.)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:29:08 +0000 (UTC)< From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)/ Subject: Re: Java App crashes under user SYSTEM ) Message-ID: <dmmc8k$9k6$1@news.BelWue.DE>   g In article <Xns971EDC0C54DBClithiumnospamgmxat@212.33.32.148>, Bernhard <lithium@nospam_gmx.at> writes:  >>  E >> You don't need a reboot to have user account quotas take effect. A G >> simple logout and login will activate them. Or in your case, as soon G >> as you restart your application or process they should be in effect. F >Interesting. That's what the admin told me - that we must wait for a  >reboot.....  . Uuh, this doesn't look very competent to me...   H >> Yet another thought: SYSTEM has usually a different LOGIN.COM commandB >> procedure than normal users. If this is the case, are there anyH >> logicals or symbols defined in this procedure that conflict with your >> application? H >We'll have a look at that. Unfortunately the effect of logicals on the 6 >behaviour of a java app is sometimes unpredicable....  J There are a few general things you should know about OpenVMS and logicals:  D Logicals belong to so called "tables". Per default there is a systemG wide table, a group table, a job table and a process table. In addition L there may be even more tables defined by the system administrator or sofwareI installation. Logicals in the system wide table can be seen by all users, L processes etc., logicals in the group table are only accessible to users andK processes that belong to the group. The job table logicals are available to L all processes of a given user and the logicals in the process table are only accessible by a single process.   L Next, a given logical is either defined in "supervisor mode" (default) or in "executive mode".   J >e.g. The JAVA$SIGQUIT logicals: When used in a console app, they work as L >intended (providing the Java stacktrace on CTRL-C), when launching the app J >detached, these logicals cause any subprocess created to die immediately ? >with the strace saying something of a received CTRL-Y command.   F The question is: did you take measures to ensure the java logicals areD a) visible to the detached process and b) defined in the proper way?  E >There seem to be a lot of bugs in the HP VM when it comes to system  @ >dependent aspects of Java (Subprocs, loading native libs, file  >handling,.....)  N Probabely yes, but this might be due to the fact that you try to do things notB in the proper way. Of course an application shouldn't crash then.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2005 07:56:04 -0800 $ From: "Bob Armstrong" <bob@jfcl.com>2 Subject: Kennedy 9600 9-track w/DQ132 on mVAX-II??C Message-ID: <1133452564.549067.223270@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F   I have a MicroVAX-II and I want to add a Kennedy 9600 9 track drive.G AFAIK, this drive has a standard Pertec interface and I was planning to G use it with a Dilog DQ132 controller.  The drive is capable of both 800 ? and 1600bpi, and I need to be able to use it at both densities.   D   I installed it and cabled it all up - VMS (v4.5 in this case) seesE the DQ132 and autoconfigures it as MSA0 (a good sign!), and the drive F seems happy and loads a tape.  VMS reports that MSA0 is a TSV05 (whichG is what I'd expect) and doesn't log any errors.  But, whenever I try to B access the drive, VMS says that it's offline and I can't get it to actually do anything.   E   Yes, the Kennedy is actually online (the online LED is lit) and the C "select" LED on the drive flickers for an instant when VMS tries to E access the drive.  The drive is set as unit 0, and it was working the C last time it was used (with an Emulex controller in that instance).   C   Is there any reason why this combination wouldn't work?  Does the C DQ132 require a special driver or is the standard TS11/TSV05 driver  sufficient?   A  Would the Kennedy work with a standard TSV05 controller (M7196)?    Thanks much,
 Bob Armstrong    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2005 12:05:31 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 6 Subject: Re: Kennedy 9600 9-track w/DQ132 on mVAX-II??3 Message-ID: <9asxW5lDCqpR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <1133452564.549067.223270@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Bob Armstrong" <bob@jfcl.com> writes: > H >   I have a MicroVAX-II and I want to add a Kennedy 9600 9 track drive.I > AFAIK, this drive has a standard Pertec interface and I was planning to I > use it with a Dilog DQ132 controller.  The drive is capable of both 800 A > and 1600bpi, and I need to be able to use it at both densities.  >   E    Qbus is not plug-and-play.  Make sure you have the correct CSR and B    interrupt vectors, othrewise it may be recognized and not work.  A    "offline" in the context you're seeing ususally means the tape C    drive is not talking to the controller, or the controller is not B    talking to the OS, it has nothing to do with the online/offline    buttons on the drive.   ------------------------------   Date: 01 Dec 2005 07:53:03 GMT/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> ( Subject: Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?0 Message-ID: <slrndotav0.1em.thierry@MARS.Family>   Hello!  = On 2005-11-30, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: J > Has anyone had experience moving some VAX 4000 style cabinets (BA430 and > BA440 cabinets) in a car ?  , We moved a 4000/300 around some years ago...  A > Would one be able to fit 2 inside ? How about 3 such cabinets ?   M If it's a big car you might be able to fit 3 inside.  We had a Citroen XM and  one just fit into the trunk.  8 > Or is a minivan something that is necessary for this ?  I You could actually just chain them together and pull them home, they have 
 wheels :-)   Thierry    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 03:54:34 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?, Message-ID: <438EBA1D.38B08825@teksavvy.com>  H Well, not it looks like I have 4 cabinets to move from the same far away+ location. So a car is out of the question.    G And yes, I know they are on coasters, and I did for half a second think F about tying them together and pulling them behind my bicycle, But thisE is about an 80km distance and involves at least one major bridge, and C its bicycle access is probably closed for winter. And since they've E already begun to spread that damned salt on the roads, it wouldn't be E just the bike that would be rusted by the time I got home :-) :-) ;-)       G It has been a long while since I touched a BA430/440 cabinet. Are there F air inlet/outlets under the unit ?  Can the pedestal unit be convertedB to rackmount by adding a few bracklets ? (and removing the plastic covers, of course).    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:44:07 +0000 ! From: Baldrick <none@[127.0.0.1]> ( Subject: Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?' Message-ID: <dmmgl6$mtd$1@lore.csc.com>    JF Mezei wrote: J > Has anyone had experience moving some VAX 4000 style cabinets (BA430 and > BA440 cabinets) in a car ?  G You need to look at this in terms of health and safety, insurance, and  D maintenance obligations. While this is a UK angle I suspect similar  rules will apply.   I These systems are heavy, and you need either a tail lift and / or 3 to 4  E people. They need properly securing, slinging a car seat belt around   them is not really sufficient.  H Transporting them, you have to and must consider the implications of an B accident on route. Will the ssytems project forwards or sideways, 3 injuring occupants or possibly leaving the vehicle?   G Does the drivers or vehicle insurance cover the transportation? I have  B "business class 1" but this is people only, no goods. If they are 4 damaged or destroyed, what covers their replacement?  G If a fault develops after moving, was it causes due to the manner they  H were shipped or handled, does a maintenance contract cover that, or was 4 that a "self induced" fault for which is chargeable.  I Unless these are hobby systems, I'd fully recommend getting a specialist  I moving company, ideally the hardware maintainers, to move these systems,  G who will have insurance and proper equipment to perform the move. What  L price your health, slip a disc and you could be out of work for a long time.  A I've used HP (Compaq, Digital as appropriate) and they have been  C faultless on a number of occasions, having "stair walkers", timely  F transportation, and rebuilding systems at the other end so they work. H One Alpha was virtually rebuilt in a set of 6, this sort of eventuality F you are better not trying to plan around, but leave it to the experts.  D I've not mentioned backups, but don't ship them with the equipment,  should be obvious why!  E Of course, this is the UK and some cars over here can barely fit the  , passengers, never mind any of their luggage!   --  E Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. Car Park Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:23:13 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>( Subject: Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?( Message-ID: <laAjf.919$n84.595@trnddc06>   Baldrick wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote:  > K >> Has anyone had experience moving some VAX 4000 style cabinets (BA430 and  >> BA440 cabinets) in a car ?  >  > I > You need to look at this in terms of health and safety, insurance, and  F > maintenance obligations. While this is a UK angle I suspect similar  > rules will apply.  > K > These systems are heavy, and you need either a tail lift and / or 3 to 4  G > people. They need properly securing, slinging a car seat belt around    > them is not really sufficient. >   G Huh?  They weigh about 50-60 lbs fully loaded.  I was able to load 2 of D them (well 1.5, one of them was a BA215(?) - narrow, fewer slots) inC the back of my old 4Runner with a broken tail gate (wouldn't open), E through the back passenger door, with the seats folded down.  I could . easily have got another pair of them in there.  D They are a lot easier to maneuver, carry up and down stairs, etc. ifC you pull out the dead weight, power supplies, fan tray, disks, etc.   D The top of the cab has an indentation on each side that makes a good carrying handle.    J > Transporting them, you have to and must consider the implications of an D > accident on route. Will the ssytems project forwards or sideways, 5 > injuring occupants or possibly leaving the vehicle?   E No way they would leave the vehicle unless it was totally demolished. ; You must be thinking of full-sized racks.  Are you thinking C AlphaServer 4000?  (Though some of those came in pedestal cabinets, A maybe 50% bigger than an Alpha 1000/1200/DS20, which is about the  size of a double-wide tower PC   > I > Does the drivers or vehicle insurance cover the transportation? I have  D > "business class 1" but this is people only, no goods. If they are 6 > damaged or destroyed, what covers their replacement?   JF - Hobbyist, I'm sure!   > I > If a fault develops after moving, was it causes due to the manner they  J > were shipped or handled, does a maintenance contract cover that, or was 6 > that a "self induced" fault for which is chargeable. >   ( Maintenance contract?  What's that?  :-)  K > Unless these are hobby systems, I'd fully recommend getting a specialist  K > moving company, ideally the hardware maintainers, to move these systems,  I > who will have insurance and proper equipment to perform the move. What  I > price your health, slip a disc and you could be out of work for a long   > time.  > C > I've used HP (Compaq, Digital as appropriate) and they have been  E > faultless on a number of occasions, having "stair walkers", timely  H > transportation, and rebuilding systems at the other end so they work. J > One Alpha was virtually rebuilt in a set of 6, this sort of eventuality H > you are better not trying to plan around, but leave it to the experts. >   D I've had professional movers drop a pallet load of disk drives.  (OrC maybe it was a H9000 rack with a pair of loaded HSZ80's in it, on a C pallet... I never got the full gory details.)  First they showed up A at the customer site with a truck the was too big to fit into the A tight alleyway leading to the loading dock, despite the fact that B the customer had made prior arrangements taking this into account,D which the shipper ignored.  They said "no problem, we can take it toC our warehouse and transfer it to a smaller truck.  We'll be back in E a jiffy." (Which turned out to be about 3 days, a weekend intervened. @ And this was a rush ship job.)  When they showed up, most of theA system was banged up and lots of parts didn't work.  They finally B confessed to knocking part of it over in the warehouse (or it fellB of a forklift, or something.)  It was an ES40 with 2 dual HSZ80's,@ about 30-40 disks, 2 TZ89's, 4 EZ832 solid-state disks, ... in a? pair of tall 19" racks.  Some of the EZ832s never worked right.   F > I've not mentioned backups, but don't ship them with the equipment,  > should be obvious why!  F My guess is JF has a cunning plan for an upgrade to his Might MicroVAXF II, so backups probably aren't an issue.  (ISTR someone near Ottawa or3 someplace cold, selling a bunch of these recently.)   G > Of course, this is the UK and some cars over here can barely fit the  . > passengers, never mind any of their luggage! >   = One advantage of a bike - no roof or sides to get in the way!     > Seriously, most of your advice is very appropriate for someone= moving a larger system that would be used for a business, but = JF is a well-know VAX hobbyist (and cyclist!) around here, so - I'm guessing the business issues don't apply.   ) P.S. JF - good luck with your new system!      --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:46:48 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?, Message-ID: <438ED464.9EC1E4B8@teksavvy.com>   John Santos wrote:* > Maintenance contract?  What's that?  :-)    G Am getting 2 400-200s. One is probably going to be for spares.  Haven't D fully decided on config. The -600 is definitely going to be the main horsepower.   L > > Unless these are hobby systems, I'd fully recommend getting a specialistL > > moving company, ideally the hardware maintainers, to move these systems,  H These systems are more like coffee table. Small furniture. When I had myF all mighty Microvax II delivered, it was with a specialist company andC costed me an arm and a leg, but they were able to bring it down the  stairs with all their straps.   F But these are much smaller cabinets and much lighter. I should be able% to bring them down the stairs myself.   H > My guess is JF has a cunning plan for an upgrade to his Might MicroVAXH > II, so backups probably aren't an issue.  (ISTR someone near Ottawa or5 > someplace cold, selling a bunch of these recently.)   G I have not decided yet about my all mighty Microvax II. Since it is 18, G I am not sure I, as its parent, have the right to pull the plug without G its consent anymore :-) :-) The MV-II may stay running as a sentimental G value  and since it's got almost all my data on its SCSI drives, it can ' still serve a purpose as a MSCP server.   D Not sure if DSSI dis drives are hard to find or not, but if they areF impossible/hard to find, I may not wish to rely on those for more than7 page/swap files and perhaps play with volume shadowing.   @ > Seriously, most of your advice is very appropriate for someone? > moving a larger system that would be used for a business, but ? > JF is a well-know VAX hobbyist (and cyclist!) around here, so / > I'm guessing the business issues don't apply.     A When I setup a disaster tolerant cluster, the move of the 2nd VAX H 4000-200 (was a 3600 upgraded to 4000-200) was done by Digital employee.@ He  moved the system and disk array himself. Once everything wasF disconnected, I walked over to the other site (a few km away) while heE put the stuff in his van. I think one of the bank employee would have F escorted him out of the building and helped load them in his vehicle.   C Getting rid of the RA82 drives (4 of them) was far more involved in B terms of a move for Digital since those beasts are truly heavy and require trolleys etc etc.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 04:52:12 -0600 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> ( Subject: Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?5 Message-ID: <slrndotles.2rn.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   J In article <laAjf.919$n84.595@trnddc06>, John Santos <john@egh.com> wrote: > A > I've had professional movers drop a pallet load of disk drives.   ' [...painful story ellided for space...]   = Hopefully you were suitably compensated for that -- at least, = financially. Hard to put a price tag on major unavailability.   H We did a data center move a few years ago. Most intense year of planningG in my life, but thankfully it was just a 16 hour long day that executed  great.  F I had indeed read about horror stories like that beforehand, so we gotE insurance 'just in case', and got the vendor to supervise the move so G there couldn't be any possible source of dispute if they got damaged in = transit, on *both* ends (packing up and unpacking). We used a E vendor-approved mover whom had done lots of other such moves in past.   ; We also did full backups prior to the shutdown, full mirror E synchronization, amongst other things. Pre-staging new servers at the C new site to take over functionality in case of serious move related  problems, etc.  H On the day of the move, it turns out that *removing* the large IBM Shark@ (ESS) disk cabinet was the hardest single part. For you see, theE building had actually changed (yes... I can hear laughing now... :) ) 3 between the time it was installed and move-out day.   > The way it was brought into the building, originally, had beenE demolished and reconstructed differently. We could no longer use that H route. So we had to bring it down via a new elevator. Its maximum weightE rating precisely matched the Shark's weight. Not quite the industrial 4 service elevator we had originally brought it up in.  F Even rolling it out of the computer room and getting _to_ the elevatorD was kinda hard due to the angles and narrow hallways involved. WorseE yet, we almost couldn't load it onto the elevator as the sheer weight ( was starting to damage the floor nearby!  C We rolled it into the elevator, pressed some buttons, and prayed it 0 didn't drop and wreck everything. :-) It didn't.  F We were sweating for a while, wondering if we'd have to hire out for aE crane to knock a USD $1M hole into the building in order to extricate F the hardware. :-) (It wasn't on the ground floor.) It was also next toH the historical City Hall building, so that would have had been even more% interesting had we gone that route...   D We _had_ to get it out that day as our building lease ended about 10> days later, and needed the remaining time to do site clean-up.  F I didn't stop sweating until *after* everything had arrived at the newE data center, parked, powered up, cabled up, and all verified working.   I Went well, but boy, just thinking about data center moves makes me really D sweat. Even more so after hearing about nasty stories like these. :(  B Come to think of it, I think we did have at least one move-relatedD casualty. One of the smaller 2U servers apparently got a hard bounceF that knocked the CDROM drive out of alignment. Replaced on the spot --C fortunately, that was a trivial yank-and-replace FRU component, and  wasn't critical to the server.   -Dan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:33:26 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>( Subject: Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?+ Message-ID: <acBjf.21283$KZ2.5491@trnddc05>    Dan Foster wrote: L > In article <laAjf.919$n84.595@trnddc06>, John Santos <john@egh.com> wrote: > A >>I've had professional movers drop a pallet load of disk drives.  >  > ) > [...painful story ellided for space...]  > ? > Hopefully you were suitably compensated for that -- at least, ? > financially. Hard to put a price tag on major unavailability.   = Actually this was a customer system.  I was hanging around to < install VMS and our application, configure the network, init< all the disks, etc. etc. and generally shake things down.  I* guess the movers did that last bit for me!  6 I'm sure the customer got compensated, the movers were8 arranged for by the equipment vendor (too small a system. to buy direct from DEC/Compaq/HP at the time.)  J > We did a data center move a few years ago. Most intense year of planningI > in my life, but thankfully it was just a 16 hour long day that executed  > great. >   < I'm in the middle of a move right now.  Fortunately, all new> equipment at the new site, so we just have to move bits.  Lots? and lots of bits.  Millions of bits.  Billions of bits.  I just 0 figured it out, about 1.4 trillion bits.  Yikes.  H > I had indeed read about horror stories like that beforehand, so we gotG > insurance 'just in case', and got the vendor to supervise the move so I > there couldn't be any possible source of dispute if they got damaged in ? > transit, on *both* ends (packing up and unpacking). We used a G > vendor-approved mover whom had done lots of other such moves in past.  > = > We also did full backups prior to the shutdown, full mirror G > synchronization, amongst other things. Pre-staging new servers at the E > new site to take over functionality in case of serious move related  > problems, etc. > J > On the day of the move, it turns out that *removing* the large IBM SharkB > (ESS) disk cabinet was the hardest single part. For you see, theG > building had actually changed (yes... I can hear laughing now... :) ) 5 > between the time it was installed and move-out day.  >   E There were 2 or 3 Shark racks full of Sun equipment in this mess too, G but I didn't have much to do with it directly, and it seemed unscathed.   @ > The way it was brought into the building, originally, had beenG > demolished and reconstructed differently. We could no longer use that J > route. So we had to bring it down via a new elevator. Its maximum weightG > rating precisely matched the Shark's weight. Not quite the industrial 6 > service elevator we had originally brought it up in. > H > Even rolling it out of the computer room and getting _to_ the elevatorF > was kinda hard due to the angles and narrow hallways involved. WorseG > yet, we almost couldn't load it onto the elevator as the sheer weight * > was starting to damage the floor nearby! > E > We rolled it into the elevator, pressed some buttons, and prayed it 2 > didn't drop and wreck everything. :-) It didn't. > H > We were sweating for a while, wondering if we'd have to hire out for aG > crane to knock a USD $1M hole into the building in order to extricate H > the hardware. :-) (It wasn't on the ground floor.) It was also next toJ > the historical City Hall building, so that would have had been even more' > interesting had we gone that route...  > F > We _had_ to get it out that day as our building lease ended about 10@ > days later, and needed the remaining time to do site clean-up. > H > I didn't stop sweating until *after* everything had arrived at the newG > data center, parked, powered up, cabled up, and all verified working.  > K > Went well, but boy, just thinking about data center moves makes me really F > sweat. Even more so after hearing about nasty stories like these. :( > D > Come to think of it, I think we did have at least one move-relatedF > casualty. One of the smaller 2U servers apparently got a hard bounceH > that knocked the CDROM drive out of alignment. Replaced on the spot --E > fortunately, that was a trivial yank-and-replace FRU component, and   > wasn't critical to the server. >  > -Dan   Planning is the key :-)      --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:50:57 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>( Subject: Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?, Message-ID: <3v8ddvF14lrq0U1@individual.net>   John Santos wrote: > Baldrick wrote:  >  >> JF Mezei wrote: >>L >>> Has anyone had experience moving some VAX 4000 style cabinets (BA430 and >>> BA440 cabinets) in a car ? >> >> >>J >> You need to look at this in terms of health and safety, insurance, and G >> maintenance obligations. While this is a UK angle I suspect similar   >> rules will apply. >>J >> These systems are heavy, and you need either a tail lift and / or 3 to J >> 4 people. They need properly securing, slinging a car seat belt around ! >> them is not really sufficient.  >> > I > Huh?  They weigh about 50-60 lbs fully loaded.  I was able to load 2 of F > them (well 1.5, one of them was a BA215(?) - narrow, fewer slots) inE > the back of my old 4Runner with a broken tail gate (wouldn't open), G > through the back passenger door, with the seats folded down.  I could 0 > easily have got another pair of them in there. >   4 Are you really talking about BA430 & BA440 cabinets?  G See the PDF below "2.1.2 BA430/BA440 Enclosure and B400X/R400X Expander ' Dimensions" (page 13 of 26 in Acrobat):   . http://cmcnabb.cc.vt.edu/dec94mds/387ahsph.pdf  - "WEIGHT: 49.9 kg to 68 kg (110 lb to 150 lb)"   0 Dimensions: 69 x 45 x 53 cm (27 x 17.8 x 21 in).  F > They are a lot easier to maneuver, carry up and down stairs, etc. ifE > you pull out the dead weight, power supplies, fan tray, disks, etc.  >   5 True, but beware losing bits, bending connectors etc.    > G > No way they would leave the vehicle unless it was totally demolished. = > You must be thinking of full-sized racks.  Are you thinking E > AlphaServer 4000?  (Though some of those came in pedestal cabinets, C > maybe 50% bigger than an Alpha 1000/1200/DS20, which is about the   > size of a double-wide tower PC >   I Unsecured weight in a vehicle can do more damage than you think, even at  @ low speeds, if you have to stop quickly or take avoiding action.   <snip>   > @ > Seriously, most of your advice is very appropriate for someone? > moving a larger system that would be used for a business, but ? > JF is a well-know VAX hobbyist (and cyclist!) around here, so / > I'm guessing the business issues don't apply.  > + > P.S. JF - good luck with your new system!  >  >  Ditto.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2005 08:03:51 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?3 Message-ID: <R5smSP1rFdT5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <438EBA1D.38B08825@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > I > It has been a long while since I touched a BA430/440 cabinet. Are there H > air inlet/outlets under the unit ?  Can the pedestal unit be convertedD > to rackmount by adding a few bracklets ? (and removing the plastic > covers, of course).   F    IIRC VAX 4000 was the same cabinet as the (MIPS) DECsystem 5400 andE    5500.  We mounted several of those (both VAX and MIPS).  Just toss E    the plastic and the screw holes that held the plastic line up with     the holes in the rack.   F    We used to put spacers between the rack and the computer cabinet soD    we could hook the front (plastic) cover on.  We used wooden 1 x 1    from the local lumber shop.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2005 08:05:01 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?3 Message-ID: <g$BvxbAn1wEI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   K In article <dmmgl6$mtd$1@lore.csc.com>, Baldrick <none@[127.0.0.1]> writes:  > JF Mezei wrote: K >> Has anyone had experience moving some VAX 4000 style cabinets (BA430 and  >> BA440 cabinets) in a car ?  > I > You need to look at this in terms of health and safety, insurance, and  F > maintenance obligations. While this is a UK angle I suspect similar  > rules will apply.  > K > These systems are heavy, and you need either a tail lift and / or 3 to 4  G > people. They need properly securing, slinging a car seat belt around    > them is not really sufficient.  H    Are you thinking 6000?  I've carried 4000 around myself, although I'd    recommend two people.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2005 14:57:01 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)( Subject: Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?, Message-ID: <3v8h9tF14d8f2U1@individual.net>  / In article <11osmeeu9n705f@corp.supernews.com>, * 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > JF Mezei wrote: K >> Has anyone had experience moving some VAX 4000 style cabinets (BA430 and  >> BA440 cabinets) in a car ?  >>  B >> Would one be able to fit 2 inside ? How about 3 such cabinets ? >>  J >> The SOC mentions the cabinent is 69cm high, 53cm wide * 45cm deep ( 27" >> * 21" * 17.8")  >>  9 >> Or is a minivan something that is necessary for this ?  >  > How big of a car do you have?    My guess would be a 2CV.  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2005 15:21:14 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)( Subject: Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?, Message-ID: <3v8inaF14m8okU1@individual.net>  , In article <438ED464.9EC1E4B8@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > John Santos wrote:+ >> Maintenance contract?  What's that?  :-)  >  > I > Am getting 2 400-200s. One is probably going to be for spares.  Haven't F > fully decided on config. The -600 is definitely going to be the main > horsepower.  > M >> > Unless these are hobby systems, I'd fully recommend getting a specialist M >> > moving company, ideally the hardware maintainers, to move these systems,  > , > These systems are more like coffee table.   0 A real small coffee table.  Maybe for demitasse.  J >                                           Small furniture. When I had myH > all mighty Microvax II delivered, it was with a specialist company andE > costed me an arm and a leg, but they were able to bring it down the  > stairs with all their straps.   F Huh?  I have a couple of MicroVAX-II's and I can easily pick either of9 them up myself.  They are in standard deskside pedestals.    > H > But these are much smaller cabinets and much lighter. I should be able' > to bring them down the stairs myself.   G I moved a couple of them (total of about 5 cabinets) in the back of my  G wife's Jeep Wagon with no problem and carried them down the stairs into E my basement by myself.  And I didn't remove anything to lighten them.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:41:47 +0000 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>, Subject: osCommerce or similar shopping cart4 Message-ID: <dmmuir$2sf$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>  E Looking for a shopping cart to run under VAMP (vms/apache/mysql/php). G Tried zencart elsewhere, and don't feel it has suitable templating for  
 our products.   E Tried to download osCommerce - can look at the files on Windows, but  & vmstar chokes halfway down the unload: Mar 17 05:46:10 2002      447 p [TOOLS.OSC22.oscommerce-2^.2ms2-051113.catalog.admin.includes.languages.english.images.buttons]button_email.gif;  tar: unexpected EOF on tar file.  < Haven't tried the zipped version, since zip doesn't do ods5.  E Has anyone got this working, or got experience of any other shopping   cart on the VMS platform ?   Thanks Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:58:34 +0000 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>0 Subject: Re: osCommerce or similar shopping cart4 Message-ID: <dmn32r$e2h$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   Chris Sharman wrote:G > Looking for a shopping cart to run under VAMP (vms/apache/mysql/php). I > Tried zencart elsewhere, and don't feel it has suitable templating for   > our products.  > G > Tried to download osCommerce - can look at the files on Windows, but  ( > vmstar chokes halfway down the unload:  > Mar 17 05:46:10 2002      447 s > [TOOLS.OSC22.oscommerce-2^.2ms2-051113.catalog.admin.includes.languages.english.images.buttons]button_email.gif;   > " > tar: unexpected EOF on tar file.  A Found a comment on the VAMP board, saying use GNUTAR, not VMSTAR. K The only version I could find was in GNV1.6-2 (7.3-2+), and I've got 7.3-1.   $ Installed GNV 1.6-2 with this error:F Portion done: 0%...10%...20%...30%...40%...50%...60%...70%...80%...90%5 %PCSI-I-PRCOUTPUT, output from subprocess follows ... ! %RENAME-E-OPENOUT, error opening  D $2$DKB100:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.GNV.SRC.GNV.BASH]CONFIG^.H.MINI; as output% -RMS-E-ENT, ACP enter function failed - -SYSTEM-W-BADFILEVER, bad file version number   E %PCSI-E-EXEINSFAIL, product supplied EXECUTE INSTALL procedure failed . -RENAME-E-OPENOUT, error opening !AS as output" %PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failedG Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES] n  Portion done: 100%  % after which things appear to work ...    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:34:17 -0600 (CST)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)0 Subject: Re: osCommerce or similar shopping cart2 Message-ID: <05120109341694_2038971B@antinode.org>  0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>  # > %RENAME-E-OPENOUT, error opening  F > $2$DKB100:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.GNV.SRC.GNV.BASH]CONFIG^.H.MINI; as output' > -RMS-E-ENT, ACP enter function failed / > -SYSTEM-W-BADFILEVER, bad file version number   1    Apparently expecting an ODS5 destination disk.   ' > after which things appear to work ...   F    You should _still_ try the new UnZip.  (I don't care if it's just a; waste of _your_ time.  _Someone_ needs to test this stuff.)   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2005 14:05:16 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Re: Vaxstation 3100 1gig limit & MOP booting , Message-ID: <3v8e8sF14j4hdU1@individual.net>  ( In article <ops022spdrzgicya@hyrrokkin>,& 	"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:4 > On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:21:53 -0600, Bill Pechter  9 > <pechter@pcp09822625pcs.eatntn01.nj.comcast.net> wrote:  > . >> In article <438A1D6F.3475B0D@teksavvy.com>,2 >> JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: >>> Martin Vorlaender wrote: >>>>3 >>>> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: L >>>> > I understand that the firmware in the Vaxstation 3100 is limited to  	 >>>> 1gig  >>>> > disks >>>>J >>>> I remember having heard that Wolfgang Moeller patched the 3100 ROM toI >>>> enable boot disks bigger than 1 GB. To make room for the patch, he   
 >>>> threw- >>>> out, IIRC, the support for tape booting.  >>>  >>> K >>> Yes, I remember seeing his web site with full explanations on how to do I >>> it. Problem is that I don't have a ROM burning machine and never used L >>> one :-) I'll check my lottery tickets to see hwo much I won, and perhapsB >>> I can then afford a ROM burning machine... (or just buy a DS20I >>> workstation loaded with all the toppings, or better yet, buy myself a 2 >>> tropical island and forget about computers :-) >>G >> I picked up an EPROM burner -- would some standard sized EPROM work? I >> I've got a VS3100M38 an I'd love to but some 9gb scsi in to boot from. K >> Actually the wide scsi and 80 pin stuff will work with the right adapter  >> on the 50 pin cables. >> >> Bill  > M > I no longer have a 3100, but as I recall those were socketed so you need to L > look at the proms you have, and find compatible EEPROMs.  And if you do,   > burnG > a bunch of them and I think you may be able to pay for your burner,   
 > quickly. >  >   H I wasn't following this thread very closely.  Does someone actually haveG EPROM images that will work in the older 3100's that don't have the 1GB F disk size limit?  If so, how does one go about getting a copy?  I haveE not only an EPROM burner (or two! :-) but also a bunch of 3100's that  are disk-size challenged.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:55:08 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 5 Subject: Re: Vaxstation 3100 1gig limit & MOP booting ( Message-ID: <ops0301606zgicya@hyrrokkin>  E On 1 Dec 2005 14:05:16 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:   * > In article <ops022spdrzgicya@hyrrokkin>,( > 	"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:3 >> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:21:53 -0600, Bill Pechter : >> <pechter@pcp09822625pcs.eatntn01.nj.comcast.net> wrote: >>/ >>> In article <438A1D6F.3475B0D@teksavvy.com>, 3 >>> JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:  >>>> Martin Vorlaender wrote:  >>>>> 4 >>>>> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:K >>>>> > I understand that the firmware in the Vaxstation 3100 is limited to 
 >>>>> 1gig
 >>>>> > disks  >>>>> K >>>>> I remember having heard that Wolfgang Moeller patched the 3100 ROM to H >>>>> enable boot disks bigger than 1 GB. To make room for the patch, he >>>>> threw . >>>>> out, IIRC, the support for tape booting. >>>> >>>>K >>>> Yes, I remember seeing his web site with full explanations on how to    >>>> do J >>>> it. Problem is that I don't have a ROM burning machine and never usedG >>>> one :-) I'll check my lottery tickets to see hwo much I won, and    >>>> perhapsC >>>> I can then afford a ROM burning machine... (or just buy a DS20 J >>>> workstation loaded with all the toppings, or better yet, buy myself a3 >>>> tropical island and forget about computers :-)  >>> H >>> I picked up an EPROM burner -- would some standard sized EPROM work?J >>> I've got a VS3100M38 an I'd love to but some 9gb scsi in to boot from.F >>> Actually the wide scsi and 80 pin stuff will work with the right   >>> adapter  >>> on the 50 pin cables.  >>>  >>> Bill >>H >> I no longer have a 3100, but as I recall those were socketed so you  
 >> need toK >> look at the proms you have, and find compatible EEPROMs.  And if you do,  >> burn F >> a bunch of them and I think you may be able to pay for your burner, >> quickly.  >> >> > J > I wasn't following this thread very closely.  Does someone actually haveI > EPROM images that will work in the older 3100's that don't have the 1GB H > disk size limit?  If so, how does one go about getting a copy?  I haveG > not only an EPROM burner (or two! :-) but also a bunch of 3100's that  > are disk-size challenged.    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/75699a8071f5d7f1/aa745c1ab653cf19?lnk=st&q=wolfgang+moeller+rom&rnum=2#aa745c1ab653cf19   L Wolfgang sent me an image about 8 years ago, which I think I still have on   an3 Ultrix disk  somewhere.  Never did burn it however.  Tom  >  > bill >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.669 ************************