1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 02 Dec 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 671       Contents:G Re: Configuring OVMS TCPIP SMTP server to discard undeliverable mail??? G Re: Configuring OVMS TCPIP SMTP server to discard undeliverable mail??? G Re: Configuring OVMS TCPIP SMTP server to discard undeliverable mail??? * Re: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie* Re: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie' Re: osCommerce or similar shopping cart ' Re: osCommerce or similar shopping cart " Re: rdb5.1 and fortran date type ?/ Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX? / Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?  Re: Time problem Re: Time problem Re: Time problem  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2005 09:22:45 +0100 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)P Subject: Re: Configuring OVMS TCPIP SMTP server to discard undeliverable mail???, Message-ID: <43901265$1@news.langstoeger.at>  b In article <dmnpre$qg8$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:G >I am looking for ideas for VMS software to write and (hopefully) sell. K >Does anyone think that a full-blown spam-hostile SMTP server with features E >such as greylisting is something that there is an actual demand for?   G Ask Matt Madison if he can live from MX's income. I personally doubt...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2005 08:28:20 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) P Subject: Re: Configuring OVMS TCPIP SMTP server to discard undeliverable mail???3 Message-ID: <FWih40WD0fDU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <438F8BD0.4035668E@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Michael Moroney wrote: >>  I >> I am looking for ideas for VMS software to write and (hopefully) sell. M >> Does anyone think that a full-blown spam-hostile SMTP server with features G >> such as greylisting is something that there is an actual demand for?  >  > PMDF has that. > @ > What is needed is an open architecture TCPIP Services ReceiverI > equivalent so that one could easily "plug in" new message filters. (eg:  > shareable images).  A That would not be sufficiently efficient to engage in tarpitting.    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:50:09 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) P Subject: Re: Configuring OVMS TCPIP SMTP server to discard undeliverable mail???( Message-ID: <dmpmv1$puo$1@pcls4.std.com>  / Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   c >In article <dmnpre$qg8$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes: I >> I am looking for ideas for VMS software to write and (hopefully) sell. M >> Does anyone think that a full-blown spam-hostile SMTP server with features G >> such as greylisting is something that there is an actual demand for?   > >I think greylisting is inadequate and tarpitting is required.  G "Greylisting" would be just one feature, if I were to do something like H this.  I already have some VMS tarpit code, but it works on the IP levelI and requires a separate ethernet adaptor if you want to run "real" TCP/IP  as well as its own IP address.  G >Another desirable feature would be automatic whitelisting of addresses E >to which individual user send mail (whitelisted only for that user).   < Definitely useful but now a mail client needs to be written.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2005 08:29:16 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 3 Subject: Re: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie 3 Message-ID: <NF5rBPoPNTx1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <IVMjf.36267$s92.35364@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "d b turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes: F > we also have the xp1000 whose price has just dropped thru the floor!  9 But have you changed your policies to allow mail orders ?   N > I could do an XP1000 EV6 500 with 512MB for less than $1500 with 10/100, UW  > SCSI and 9GB  Disk > No license though... >  > David  >  > ) > <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message  ? > news:1133444453.301455.156640@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... 2 >> call Dave at Island computers ... he has DS10Ls >> which would be perfect ...    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2005 09:36:45 -0800 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> 3 Subject: Re: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie C Message-ID: <1133545005.463002.113940@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:i > In article <IVMjf.36267$s92.35364@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "d b turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes: H > > we also have the xp1000 whose price has just dropped thru the floor! > ; > But have you changed your policies to allow mail orders ?  >    Larry,H   You're like a Scottish Terrier with  a sock... you never let go... ;^)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:33:19 +0000 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>0 Subject: Re: osCommerce or similar shopping cart4 Message-ID: <dmp7tg$bs6$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   Steven M. Schweda wrote:2 > From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> > # >>%RENAME-E-OPENOUT, error opening  F >>$2$DKB100:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.GNV.SRC.GNV.BASH]CONFIG^.H.MINI; as output' >>-RMS-E-ENT, ACP enter function failed / >>-SYSTEM-W-BADFILEVER, bad file version number  >  > 3 >    Apparently expecting an ODS5 destination disk.   B Well, yes, clearly. But installing on sys$common:[gnv...] with no I options offered - last I heard having an ODS5 system disk was a bad idea.   H >    You should _still_ try the new UnZip.  (I don't care if it's just a= > waste of _your_ time.  _Someone_ needs to test this stuff.)   * Oh all right then - I'll download & see...D ... unzip60cbeta built on Alpha VMS 7.3-1, with DECC, option large, ? appears to work unzipping the oscommerce kit into an ods5 tree. . If anyone wants those executables, they're at 6 http://services.ccagroup.co.uk/unzip60cbeta.zip (300k)  % Now to try & make oscommerce work ...    Chris    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:59:40 -0600 (CST)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)0 Subject: Re: osCommerce or similar shopping cart2 Message-ID: <05120204594040_2038971B@antinode.org>  0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>  5 > >    Apparently expecting an ODS5 destination disk.  > D > Well, yes, clearly. But installing on sys$common:[gnv...] with no K > options offered - last I heard having an ODS5 system disk was a bad idea.   D    You're just behind the times.  The installation procedure for VMS, V7.3-2 (and up, I assume) offers the choice:  G        The target system disk can be initialized with On-Disk Structure C        Level 2 (ODS-2) or Level 5 (ODS-5). (? for more information)    :    Do you want to initialize with ODS-2 or ODS-5? (2/5/?)   G Which is not to say that an ODS5 system disk is actually a _good_ idea, A especially if you do any software development work there, and you  expect MMS to work properly.  J > >    You should _still_ try the new UnZip.  (I don't care if it's just a? > > waste of _your_ time.  _Someone_ needs to test this stuff.)  > , > Oh all right then - I'll download & see...F > ... unzip60cbeta built on Alpha VMS 7.3-1, with DECC, option large, A > appears to work unzipping the oscommerce kit into an ods5 tree.   B    What could go wrong?  (Ship it, I say.)  Thanks for the report.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 02 Dec 2005 09:33:28 GMT From: kyle katarn <sans>+ Subject: Re: rdb5.1 and fortran date type ? 2 Message-ID: <Xns97206B0C4DA73kfreefr@212.27.42.75>  8 Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> wrote in " news:438CE4FE.7031B85A@oracle.com:  . > I'd suggest getting in touch with Oracle Rdb- > support directly.  I'm sure that they'll be 1 > able to assist you with CDD and Rdb precompiler 2 > issues.  You may also want to consider upgrading1 > to supported VMS and Rdb versions at some point  > in time...  @ yes, but your Support Identifer for oracle Metalink is no longer valid (for few month only :-( )   D and i didn't find anything about sql_date_vms format on the metalink	 web site.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2005 08:52:40 -0800  From: Don.Zong@gmail.com8 Subject: Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?C Message-ID: <1133542360.880125.285110@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Owen,   E Interesting to see you are port something from openvms to linux. Just E curious how did you get round RMS, other system service calls and run 1 time library routines which vms system specific ?    Thanks Don      wob96@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi,  > E > I'm porting an ancient fortran program from OpenVMS Alpha to Linux, M > needlessly to say, numerous problems, now I'm trying to figure out what the  > lib$spawn on VMS does? > 1 >   open (unit=0, file=fname, status = 'unknown') ( >   call lib$spawn ( 'set term/nowrap' ) > K > From google result seems it's something related to process. Could someone @ > please tell me what are the corresponding calls on Linux/UNIX? >  > Thanks a lot!  >  > Owen   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2005 10:34:47 -0800 < From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>8 Subject: Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?C Message-ID: <1133548487.848435.255300@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F FYI... this is classical "What problem are you really trying to solve" example is it not?  D The help in the fork/exec/system call area is great and detailed and@ all that, but surely Dan Foster really hits the nail on the head> suggeting the proper unix solutions for an equivalent of "'set
 term/nowrap".   ; Note... A good VMS program would never had that spawn call. E It would have called SYS$QIOW (through a library function) to set the F terminal characteristics with some inline code, without the expense of a sub-process.    G Of course I'll have to eat my words if the was just one example of many 
 spawn usages.    fwiw,  Hein.        Don.Zong@gmail.com wrote:  > Owen,  > G > Interesting to see you are port something from openvms to linux. Just G > curious how did you get round RMS, other system service calls and run 3 > time library routines which vms system specific ?  >  > Thanks > Don  >  >  > wob96@yahoo.com wrote: > > Hi,  > > G > > I'm porting an ancient fortran program from OpenVMS Alpha to Linux, O > > needlessly to say, numerous problems, now I'm trying to figure out what the  > > lib$spawn on VMS does? > > 3 > >   open (unit=0, file=fname, status = 'unknown') * > >   call lib$spawn ( 'set term/nowrap' ) > > M > > From google result seems it's something related to process. Could someone B > > please tell me what are the corresponding calls on Linux/UNIX? > >  > > Thanks a lot!  > >  > > Owen   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:57:36 +0000 (UTC)< From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: Time problem ) Message-ID: <dmoupg$pcf$2@news.BelWue.DE>   Z In article <1133471661_50721@spool6-east.superfeed.net>, Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> writes:' >A customer has a DS10 running VMS 7.2.  > ? >I set the date (i.e. "set time=30-nov-2005:13:12", "set time") ' >and everything is fine for the moment.  > ? >I come back a day or so later, and the date/time is incorrect. 2 >I set the time yesterday, today it is reported as" >30-NOV-2005 14:30:55 (at 1:16PM). > ? >I just set the time correctly, and after 1/2 hour it is off by ? >5 minutes. Doing a bare "set time" seems to reset the clock to  >the correct time. > ; >I added a que entry to "set time" every hour to try to get 8 >somewhat correct times, but this doesn't make me happy. > < >Any ideas as to what may be happening? Why would the system >clock be running so slow?   Dead buffer battery?   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 05:22:55 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Time problem , Message-ID: <4390207E.12075022@teksavvy.com>  3 This may not have anything to do with your problem.   F When I was running CMU IP on my All mighty microvax II, I had it setupF to dial out via PPP (Thanks to Mr Moeller !) on demand whenever an appG of mine needed to connect. Once PPP was established, I woudl generate a G config file on the fly and start CMU. For some reason, that would squew  the clock a bit every time.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:00:34 -0800 # From: Joe Bloggs <JBloggs@acme.com>  Subject: Re: Time problem 8 Message-ID: <k6o0p1dd9ifbgp77vk2risk6lkreoletom@4ax.com>  D On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:19:42 -0700, Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> wrote:  ? >I just set the time correctly, and after 1/2 hour it is off by ? >5 minutes. Doing a bare "set time" seems to reset the clock to  >the correct time.  - http://h71000.www7.hp.com/faq/vmsfaq_005.html   - .1.1.2 Alpha hardware time-keeping details... . 4.1.1.2.1 Battery-Backed Watch (BB_WATCH) ChipD This is battery backed up hardware timing circuitry used to keep theA correct time of year during rebooting, power failures, and system C shutdown. This clock keeps track of date and time in 24 hour binary  format.   F The BB_WATCH time is used to initialize the running system time duringE bootstrap, and the BB_WATCH time is read when the SET TIME command is C issued with no parameters; when the running system time is reset to D the value stored in the BB_WATCH. The running system time is written< into the BB_WATCH when the SET TIME command is issued with a
 parameter.  E The specification for maximum clock drift in the Alpha hardware clock E is 50 parts per million (ppm), that is less than 0.000050 seconds of D drift per second, less than 0.000050 days of drift per day, or lessA than 0.000050 years of drift per year, etc. (eg: An error of one 4 second over a day-long interval is roughly 11ppm, orD 1000000/(24*60*60).) Put another way, this is .005%, which is around- 130 seconds per month or 26 minutes per year.   = The software-maintained system time can drift more than this, ? primarily due to other system activity. Typical causes of drift F include extensive high-IPL code (soft memory errors, heavy activity at> device IPLs, etc) that are causing the processing of the clock interrupts to be blocked.    4.1.1.2.2 EXE$GQ_SYSTIMEB This is the OpenVMS Alpha system time cell. This cell contains theC number of 100ns intervals since November 17, 1858 00:00:00.00. This @ cell is incremented by 100000 every 10ms by an hardware interval timer.   4.1.1.2.3 EXE$GQ_SAVED_HWCLOCKE This cell is used by OpenVMS Alpha to keep track of the last time and D date that EXE$GQ_SYSTIME was adjusted. It keeps the same time formatD as EXE$GQ_SYSTIME. The value in this cell gets updated in memory and1 on disk, every time EXE$GQ_SYSTIME gets adjusted.   D     * The system parameters SETTIME and TIMEPROMPTWAIT determine how the system time will be set.     * If SETTIME = 0F       then EXE$INIT_HWCLOCK reads the hardware clock to set the system time. !           o IF TIMEPROMPTWAIT > 0 D             THEN the value of TIMEPROMPTWAIT determines how long theC user is prompted to enter the time and date. If time expires and no ? time has been entered the system acts as if TIMEPROMPTWAIT = 0. !           o IF TIMEPROMPTWAIT = 0 C             THEN the system time is calculated from the contents of  EXE$GQ_SAVED_HWCLOCK + 1. !           o IF TIMEPROMPTWAIT < 0 F             THEN the user is prompted for the time and date and unable. to continue until the information is entered.   A Unlike the VAX, the Alpha hardware clock tracks the full date and B time, not just the time of year. This means it is possible to boot= from the CD-ROM media without entering the time at the CD-ROM : bootstrap. (This provided that the time and date have been initialized, of course.)     ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.671 ************************