1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 03 Dec 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 672       Contents:' Re: Help, I need a VMS Alpha 8.2 OS kit ( Re: HTML version of I/O Reference Manual@ Re: Info-ZIP UnZip 6.0c BETA now available.  Zip usage question.@ Re: Info-ZIP UnZip 6.0c BETA now available.  Zip usage question. Re: Installing on OpenVMS Alpha % SWCC_AGENT doesn't work with ACS 8.8? ! TCPIP Services on VMS (and Tru64) % Re: TCPIP Services on VMS (and Tru64) / Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX? / Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX? / Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX? / Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX? / Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX? / Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX? / Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX? / Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?  Re: Time problem Re: Time problem Re: Time problem Re: Time problem Re: Time problem. Updated VMS Information - sorry about the size V8.3 teaser  Re: V8.3 teaser  Re: V8.3 teaser  V8.3 teaser  Re: V8.3 teaser  Re: V8.3 teaser  Re: V8.3 teaser  Re: V8.3 teaser 2 Re: values for vcc_ptes and show/mem/cache/full??? Re: VMS web site bug Re: VMS web site bug, Re: [ORACLE 10G] Installing on OpenVMS Alpha  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:49:09 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 0 Subject: Re: Help, I need a VMS Alpha 8.2 OS kit. Message-ID: <9QFjf.85$Up1.51@news.cpqcorp.net>  ` In article <ItXV+I98BUlg@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes: : ... Up until last April I was - :subscribed to the service that delivered VAX 3 :and Alpha Operating system binaries and separately 1 :subscribed to the layered products for Alpha....     I   Malcolm, please send me your customer contract and shipping information H   via email (to hoff[\0100]hp.com), and I'll pass it along to the folks J   here within OpenVMS that look into these distribution-related questions.  J   And AFAIK, yes, both the LP distros and OS distro kits are available for&   FTP download for contract customers.      N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:04:01 +08003 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 1 Subject: Re: HTML version of I/O Reference Manual 1 Message-ID: <dmqnf9$h1t$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi William,   8 > Sneaking around the directory tree didn't help, either  L It's ok. I have a copy of thye 7.3 CD. I just thought it strange that it was missing from the Web index.   
 > Hotmail? > 3 > Richard, if you want a Gmail invite, let me know.   I Where else can I found out all that useful information about penis growth H and herbal viagra? Wait! Now that I'm back in Perth we can get it on thaL radio :-( For those from Oz it's that "nasal delivery system" one. Honestly,I it's bloody embarassing to have *anyone* else in the car, let alone kids! K And I won't even go into the "I'm taking my vaginal thrush medication right L here in the office. . ." one. How do they let that crap on the radio *at all hours*?   L Is "Gmail" some Google thing? What's so good about it? All I need is a throw4 away e-mail address that I don't mind being trashed.   Cheers Richard Maher  : "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote in messageC news:8660a3a10512011328y4c848dcfv35ffd54a052ac921@mail.gmail.com... ? On 11/29/05, Richard Maher <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote:  > Hi,  > I > What's happened to the online HTML version of the I/O Reference Manual?  > Under repair?  >  > Regards Richard Maher  >  >  >   7 Sneaking around the directory tree didn't help, either.   9 Note:  The HTML manuals for 8.x aren't there, but the 7.3   7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6136/6136PRO.HTML   	 and 7.3-2   C http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/aa-pv6sf-tk/aa-pv6sf-tk.HTMl    HTML versions *are* there.   Hotmail?  1 Richard, if you want a Gmail invite, let me know.    Regards,   WWWebb   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:18:25 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>I Subject: Re: Info-ZIP UnZip 6.0c BETA now available.  Zip usage question. D Message-ID: <craigberry-7DAEE6.18182402122005@news.isp.giganews.com>  2 In article <05120107521876_2038971B@antinode.org>,,  sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote:  @ > > Haven't tried the zipped version, since zip doesn't do ods5. > H >    You might try UnZip 6.0c BETA, as recently seen in this space.  (It< > may not work, but it should at least try harder than 5.x.)  A It does better with case preservation than 5.52.  I formerly did:    $ unzip Foo.zip    and got   
 [.FOO]Bar.txt   C (case preserved on files but not directories) but now correctly get   
 [.Foo]Bar.txt    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:07:10 -0600 (CST)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)I Subject: Re: Info-ZIP UnZip 6.0c BETA now available.  Zip usage question. 2 Message-ID: <05120219071017_2038971B@antinode.org>  6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>  B > > > Haven't tried the zipped version, since zip doesn't do ods5. > > J > >    You might try UnZip 6.0c BETA, as recently seen in this space.  (It> > > may not work, but it should at least try harder than 5.x.) > C > It does better with case preservation than 5.52.  I formerly did:  > $ unzip Foo.zip 
 > and got  > [.FOO]Bar.txt E > (case preserved on files but not directories) but now correctly get  > [.Foo]Bar.txt   F    And there's "-2" if you want the same result on an ODS5 destinationF as you'd get on an ODS2 destination.  (Sometimes I amaze even myself. H As, for example, when anything works.)  Now's the time to do the torture tests, while it's still "BETA".   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2005 16:01:22 -0800 , From: "rcyoung" <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com>( Subject: Re: Installing on OpenVMS AlphaC Message-ID: <1133565296.859393.202450@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   D Oracle "recommended" default quotas are ALWAYS barely adequate. Page> file quota & enqueue limits and particularly good "targets" toG increase. There can easily be others. There are some DCL files floating B around that are good for monitoring individual quota usge that you3 might find useful (watch_quotas.com comes to mind).    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2005 13:20:20 -0700 1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) . Subject: SWCC_AGENT doesn't work with ACS 8.8?, Message-ID: <pZMdvO+wUort@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>  /  I'm running Storageworks Command Console Agent - version 2.3.2 on VMS 8.2 talking to an HSG80.   1  It appears to have quit working since I upgraded 1 the firmware on the HSG80 from 8.6F to 8.8F. When 1 the agent starts now I get errors in the log file  like:    ---------------------   3 Unexpected line Host Connection Table is NOT locked   * Unexpected line Smart Error Eject Disabled  ; Unexpected Extended Information Unit Default access enabled   6 Unexpected Extended Information SCSI Fairness Disabled  . Unexpected Extended Information Vendor ID: DEC  3 Unexpected line Host Connection Table is NOT locked   * Unexpected line Smart Error Eject Disabled  ; Unexpected Extended Information Unit Default access enabled   6 Unexpected Extended Information SCSI Fairness Disabled  . Unexpected Extended Information Vendor ID: DEC  \ Dec  2 13:03:26 2005  WARNING:  - A subsystem change has been detected: malor2 oracle OVRL=1  (SP_MONITOR: MonitorSubsys)    A Dec  2 13:03:26 2005  WARNING:  - malor2 oracle 10220000000 HSG80   (SP_MONITOR: MonitorSubsys)     --------------  7  The command console client doesn't appear able to talk - to the agent ( the folder icon stays gray ).    E  I presume from the error messages that the agent is getting confused D because the output from the array is different in the newer version.C Is there an updated client available somewhere or am I out of luck?    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2005 19:49:55 -0800 ( From: "denny" <denny_rich@ameritech.net>* Subject: TCPIP Services on VMS (and Tru64)C Message-ID: <1133581795.633626.252430@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   
 Greetings,  ' I have received the following question.   @    "...Lastly, do you or others have a good handle on TCP/IP and?    networking setup parameters on Tru64 Unix on an AlphaServer. <    I need to make a change to the DNS setting on my Unix box9    to point to a new Windows PC DNS & DHCP server (rather <    than using the Alpha as the DNS/DHCP server).  So, if you?    or others in your circle know Unix stuff, I would appreciate E    a hearing from you, to figure out what to change.  I think I found =    the setting but want to confirm before making the change."   F My response was to run the "tcpip show name" command, and then packageE that output plus the help for "set name" and send it to him.  All, of  course, from my VMS system.   @ My problem is all I know is the VMS commands for TCPIP Services.  D Does anybody know if this information is even close to what he needs
 for Tru64?  B I leaped to the conclusion that Trul64 would have similar commandsE since I believe the VMS version of UCX/TCPIP Services was ported from D the UNIX model. (of course actual symtax may vary because one is VMS and the other is UNIX.)   
 Any comments?   A Any remote chance someone knows the actual commands to do what he  wants?   thanks for any help.   denny    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:26:02 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Re: TCPIP Services on VMS (and Tru64), Message-ID: <43913A74.2F6251A2@teksavvy.com>   denny wrote:H > My response was to run the "tcpip show name" command, and then packageG > that output plus the help for "set name" and send it to him.  All, of  > course, from my VMS system.     D If the alpha is currently running the main DNS server, you should beF able to find the .db files in the bind directory somewhere in the fileB system. They are in standard BIND format.  Hopefully the microshit& software should be able to read those.  D I think the same applies to DHCP. There should be text files in some? DHCP directory. But not sure how standard a format they are in.     H You will need to find out how to disable DHCP service on the Tru64 node.C DHCP works on broadcasted requests, so if you leave the DHCP server ? running, it will continue to offer some replies to requests and ' "compete" against the microsoft server.   H Once you've loaded the microsoft virus incubator with the BIND database,?  you may wish to edit the UNIX bind database to respond with an ? incorrect IP address for all entries. This way, you will likely A notice/catch any computer with a hardwired DNS server entry still G pointing to the Unix box and then tell their owners to point the DNS to & the Microsoft virus incubator machine.  9 Switching DNS server isn't something to be taken lightly.   G Consider any domain names which may be defined on the internet to point A to that IP address.  This will need to be updated to point to the F Microsoft virus incubator IP address. In the BIND directory,  you will; find .db files for each domain for which this DNS server is  authoritative.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:09:03 -0600 From: <wob96@yahoo.com> 8 Subject: Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?3 Message-ID: <dmq64c$eht$1@news-srv1.vanderbilt.edu>   L Really appreciate everyone's time and help! Now i'll go check somethings on & unix such as how to set term/nowrap...   To Don: F Sorry I really dont know much about VMS, dont know what RMS is and my E program doesn't have much system calls, I did run into problems with  L fortran-x11 binding, since there seems to be no such bindings on linux, i'm   just rewriting that part in C...     ----- Original Message -----  ' From: "Dan Foster" <usenet@evilphb.org>  Newsgroups: comp.os.vms ) Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:11 PM 8 Subject: Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?    F > In article <1133492014.072235.273380@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, D > chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk <chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk> wrote: >> >> wob96@yahoo.com wrote:  >>> Hi,  >>> G >>> I'm porting an ancient fortran program from OpenVMS Alpha to Linux, L >>> needlessly to say, numerous problems, now I'm trying to figure out what  >>> the  >>> lib$spawn on VMS does? >>> 3 >>>   open (unit=0, file=fname, status = 'unknown') * >>>   call lib$spawn ( 'set term/nowrap' ) >>> F >>> From google result seems it's something related to process. Could  >>> someone B >>> please tell me what are the corresponding calls on Linux/UNIX? >>>  >>> Thanks a lot!  >>>  >>> Owen >>F >> lib$spawn runs a subprocess ("child process") executing the commandH >> given in its string argument. In this case, someone is being lazy andI >> using it to change the terminal characteristics when a terminal driver * >> function should really be used instead. >>F >> fork() looks like the Unix equivalent, but it's been a while, and I> >> forget how you pass the child process a command to execute. > 
 > Sort of. > H > For UNIX (and UNIX-like OSes), fork() just creates a new process. Sort) > of like a 'subprocess' in this context.  > J > It doesn't actually make it *do* anything else per se. That's left as an4 > exercise for the 'spawned' process to perform. :-) > D > Ways to accomplish that would be the easy way out, with a system()J > function call, instead of fork(), which starts a shell and then executes& > the given command and its arguments. > I > Or to use popen() function to start a process and have it do something.  > D > But for Linux and typical UNIX OSes, the historical way of settingH > specific terminal characteristics is to skip all the shell and processG > middlemen and set it directly via an ioctl() function call on the TTY  > device (e.g. /dev/tty).  > J > You would also have to make sure this was an interactive tty + shell, as > well, if doing it directly.  > G > Or use a terminal-handling library such as termios' functions -- e.g. D > tcgetattr()/tcsetattr(). This is OS-specific since some implements2 > termio, some termios, some completely different. > G > For more details on the UNIX-side programming, questions are probably J > more appreciated in the comp.unix.programmer newsgroup. :-) But originalH > poster should now have a better idea of what he's looking for in UNIX. >  > -Dan     ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:18:16 +0000 (UTC)- From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) 8 Subject: Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?. Message-ID: <dmq6lo$4cf$5@newslocal.mitre.org>  q <wob96@yahoo.com> writes in article <dmo78b$tgb$1@news-srv1.vanderbilt.edu> dated Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:16:02 -0600: E >I'm porting an ancient fortran program from OpenVMS Alpha to Linux,  M >needlessly to say, numerous problems, now I'm trying to figure out what the   >lib$spawn on VMS does?  > 0 >  open (unit=0, file=fname, status = 'unknown')' >  call lib$spawn ( 'set term/nowrap' )  > K >From google result seems it's something related to process. Could someone  ? >please tell me what are the corresponding calls on Linux/UNIX?   G As others have said, lib$spawn creates a subprocess.  In this case, the J subprocess executes the VMS command "set term/nowrap".  What you should be- asking is what that does.  And the answer is:    SET   
   TERMINAL  	     /WRAP              /WRAP (default)            /NOWRAP   E        Controls whether a carriage return and line feed are generated 9        when the value of the /WIDTH qualifier is reached.   F From experience, what happens is that if you attempt to display a lineL longer than 80 characters on a /NOWRAPed terminal, what you see is the first' 79 characters and the last character.     0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:21:13 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 8 Subject: Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?/ Message-ID: <11p1b44uqrrc10@corp.supernews.com>    Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote:H > FYI... this is classical "What problem are you really trying to solve" > example is it not? > = > Note... A good VMS program would never had that spawn call. G > It would have called SYS$QIOW (through a library function) to set the H > terminal characteristics with some inline code, without the expense of > a sub-process.  : You're not the first to write this, nor probably the last.  H  From my perspective, if an operation is going to happen only once, and E most likely the process is waiting on the user, ie; it's not compute  F bound, then what's wrong with taking the 'simple' path?  The overhead ? for spawning a subprocess to do something useful, one time, is  C negligable, and the simplicity of both the code and the coding far  C outweighs the 'properness' of digging through the documentation to  < figure out how to use system services and such for the task.  G I've written a wrapper to perform the spawn, and return the completion  D status and errors, that makes using the spawn rather trival.  If it  works, then work it.  E Note, the SET TERM was rather trivial, but what about copying one or  - more files, or other more complex operations.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2005 20:58:57 GMT . From: JONESD@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)8 Subject: Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?: Message-ID: <dmqcih$2bq$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  / In message <11p1b44uqrrc10@corp.supernews.com>, +   Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: I >> FYI... this is classical "What problem are you really trying to solve"  >> example is it not?  >>> >> Note... A good VMS program would never had that spawn call.H >> It would have called SYS$QIOW (through a library function) to set theI >> terminal characteristics with some inline code, without the expense of  >> a sub-process.  > ; >You're not the first to write this, nor probably the last.  > H > From my perspective, if an operation is going to happen only once, andE >most likely the process is waiting on the user, ie; it's not compute 8 >bound, then what's wrong with taking the 'simple' path?  U In the case of "set term/wrap", that command changes the permanent characteristics of M the terminal, which is very presumptuous of an application.  Using QIOW calls G with IO$_SETMODE make a temporary change that will reset on image exit.       < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 271-6718- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St.              |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2005 15:32:18 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 8 Subject: Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?3 Message-ID: <g9Oy+de5z4FZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <11p1b44uqrrc10@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:   > Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote:I >> FYI... this is classical "What problem are you really trying to solve"  >> example is it not?  >>  > >> Note... A good VMS program would never had that spawn call.H >> It would have called SYS$QIOW (through a library function) to set theI >> terminal characteristics with some inline code, without the expense of  >> a sub-process.  > < > You're not the first to write this, nor probably the last. > J >  From my perspective, if an operation is going to happen only once, and G > most likely the process is waiting on the user, ie; it's not compute  9 > bound, then what's wrong with taking the 'simple' path?   7 It is not very simple.  It creates a whole new process. : There are all manner of quota and protection problems that9 might arise, not in debugging but when the program is run 4 by a customer of a customer, in front of their boss.  7 If the response is "this program will never run in that 8 situation", please consult all those who wrote code with: two characters devoted to the year.  I spoke recently with: someone who did that.  He understood the risk at the time,; but it was 40 years ago and he correctly calculated that by 1 the time it became an issue, he would be retired.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 21:59:09 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 8 Subject: Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?0 Message-ID: <11p22eah3mae89e@corp.supernews.com>   David Jones wrote:1 > In message <11p1b44uqrrc10@corp.supernews.com>, - >   Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >   >>Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: >>I >>>FYI... this is classical "What problem are you really trying to solve"  >>>example is it not?  >>> > >>>Note... A good VMS program would never had that spawn call.H >>>It would have called SYS$QIOW (through a library function) to set theI >>>terminal characteristics with some inline code, without the expense of  >>>a sub-process.  >>< >>You're not the first to write this, nor probably the last. >>H >>From my perspective, if an operation is going to happen only once, andF >>most likely the process is waiting on the user, ie; it's not compute9 >>bound, then what's wrong with taking the 'simple' path?  >  > W > In the case of "set term/wrap", that command changes the permanent characteristics of O > the terminal, which is very presumptuous of an application.  Using QIOW calls I > with IO$_SETMODE make a temporary change that will reset on image exit.   9 The SET TERM is a trivial usage of spawning a subprocess.   H As for terminal characteristics, SET TERM /PERM would do as you suggest I above.  As it was presented, the terminal would revert to it's permanant    settings when the process exits.  G As for presumptuous, yeah, I'd agree with that.  Maybe after inquiring  G about the terminal type, but not without that knowledge.  I've written  F applications that inquire about the terminal type, and then make some * changes (temporary) based upon the answer.  G How about the need to COPY one or more files?  Sort one or more files?  I Would you agree that a subprocess is a much better solution than in-line  F code, or some services.  They are not my preferences, I'd rather call F things such as sort with the programming interface, but sometimes the  requirements dictate otherwise.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 21:52:03 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 8 Subject: Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?0 Message-ID: <11p220sqravml3b@corp.supernews.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:[ > In article <11p1b44uqrrc10@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >   >>Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: >>I >>>FYI... this is classical "What problem are you really trying to solve"  >>>example is it not?  >>> > >>>Note... A good VMS program would never had that spawn call.H >>>It would have called SYS$QIOW (through a library function) to set theI >>>terminal characteristics with some inline code, without the expense of  >>>a sub-process.  >>< >>You're not the first to write this, nor probably the last. >>J >> From my perspective, if an operation is going to happen only once, and G >>most likely the process is waiting on the user, ie; it's not compute  9 >>bound, then what's wrong with taking the 'simple' path?  >  > 9 > It is not very simple.  It creates a whole new process. < > There are all manner of quota and protection problems that; > might arise, not in debugging but when the program is run 6 > by a customer of a customer, in front of their boss.  F Ok, there are countless VMS environments.  Any VMS application should B have specifications on the required environment.  If I produce an > application that will at times spawn sub-processes, then that : application can only be used in an 'approved' environment.  H There are probably many VMS applications that will not work in some VMS E environments.  That's the cold hard facts.  It's like, "requires VMS  . V7.0 and above and at least 512 MB of memory".  H I'm not arguing with your logic.  I'm just stating that the practice in G question is not inherently 'wrong'.  Note that there can be 'quota and  : protection problems' with the use of some system services.  9 > If the response is "this program will never run in that : > situation", please consult all those who wrote code with< > two characters devoted to the year.  I spoke recently with< > someone who did that.  He understood the risk at the time,= > but it was 40 years ago and he correctly calculated that by 3 > the time it became an issue, he would be retired.   G Oh no!  You'll never hear "that never happens" from me.  When I hear a  I customer say that, it's the first thing I expect to happen.  Been there,   done that, too many times.  :-)   I A bunch of us made some good money handling the 2 digit year issue.  Not  - all bad.  Depends upon your perspective.  :-)    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 21:10:50 -0800  From: Z <Z@no.spam> 8 Subject: Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?( Message-ID: <tN9kf.229$0u6.205@fe06.lga>  # chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk wrote: E > lib$spawn runs a subprocess ("child process") executing the command G > given in its string argument. In this case, someone is being lazy and H > using it to change the terminal characteristics when a terminal driver) > function should really be used instead.   F "Being lazy?!" Speaking from my experience, on VMS, changing even one H bit (IIRC: $ASSIGN, $QIO, getmode, setmode) is a damn chore compared to ; ease of using ioctl() or being lazy and using SET TERMINAL.    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:04:26 +0000 (UTC)- From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)  Subject: Re: Time problem . Message-ID: <dmq5rq$4cf$4@newslocal.mitre.org>   Joe Bloggs <JBloggs@acme.com> writes in article <k6o0p1dd9ifbgp77vk2risk6lkreoletom@4ax.com> dated Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:00:34 -0800: E >On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:19:42 -0700, Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> wrote:  > @ >>I just set the time correctly, and after 1/2 hour it is off by@ >>5 minutes. Doing a bare "set time" seems to reset the clock to >>the correct time.  > . >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/faq/vmsfaq_005.html > > >The software-maintained system time can drift more than this,@ >primarily due to other system activity. Typical causes of driftG >include extensive high-IPL code (soft memory errors, heavy activity at ? >device IPLs, etc) that are causing the processing of the clock  >interrupts to be blocked.  5 So his problem could be caused by a bad stick of RAM! A Would "MONITOR MODE" be the correct way to see these freaky IPLs?   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:08:48 -0700  From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>  Subject: Re: Time problem 8 Message-ID: <1133557403_55879@spool6-east.superfeed.net>   JF Mezei wrote: 5 > This may not have anything to do with your problem.  > H > When I was running CMU IP on my All mighty microvax II, I had it setupH > to dial out via PPP (Thanks to Mr Moeller !) on demand whenever an appI > of mine needed to connect. Once PPP was established, I woudl generate a I > config file on the fly and start CMU. For some reason, that would squew  > the clock a bit every time.   B Doesn't have CMU, and doesn't even run much of anything. It's just used for accounting programs.   ; I've killed DTSS$CLERK, (stop/id=), but time is still slow.   B The hardware clock seems to run Ok, but the software clock is only running at 1/2 speed.   0 I have just set up (yesterday) a que that does a: "show time; set time; show time" and then re-queues itself> again in an hour, thus the time is reset to the hardware clock> every two hours (remember, the clock is running at 1/2 speed).= The log files show that the clock is running fairly precisely > at 1/2 speed. It was off by 1 hour this morning, which is much; better than the 12 or so hours it has been doing every day.   5 My concern is for several jobs that are queued to run 8 every night (backup, some data validation reports, etc.): With the clock off, they weren't running when they should.  : This seems to be working Ok, and the clock is never off by8 more than an hour now. I'm going to try a reboot tonight; (The MicroSoft Solution), and see if it is just a temporary  setting that got messed up.   < I'd still like to determine the cause so I can prevent it in the future.   Q ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:21:08 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Time problem , Message-ID: <4390F301.3584941F@teksavvy.com>   Kevin Handy wrote:D > Doesn't have CMU, and doesn't even run much of anything. It's just > used for accounting programs.   D Was just showing that there are some types of activities on a system" that can cause the clock to squew.  D > The hardware clock seems to run Ok, but the software clock is only > running at 1/2 speed.   F If it is a very steady and consistant speed, I would look into someoneE having "hacked" your system. During the "time change" periods,  there H are utilities that play with the system clock to slow it down or make itG faster. This way, there is a progressive time change over a few hours.      H You may wish to google this newsgroup for such utilities and then searchD your system for such utilities to see if it might run automatically.    2 > I have just set up (yesterday) a que that does a< > "show time; set time; show time" and then re-queues itself@ > again in an hour, thus the time is reset to the hardware clock > every two hours   E You could SET TIME and then SET TIME="+00:30:00" to set it 30 minutes E early so that an hour later, the clock would only be 30 minutes late.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:11:41 -0500* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: Time problem , Message-ID: <4390fede$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  0 "Joe Bloggs" <JBloggs@acme.com> wrote in message2 news:k6o0p1dd9ifbgp77vk2risk6lkreoletom@4ax.com...F > On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:19:42 -0700, Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> wrote: > A > >I just set the time correctly, and after 1/2 hour it is off by A > >5 minutes. Doing a bare "set time" seems to reset the clock to  > >the correct time. >   G What type of hardware is this, and what type of options are on the bus.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 03:12:23 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com> Subject: Re: Time problem & Message-ID: <r28kf.1174$1y.3@trnddc07>   Kevin Handy wrote: > William Webb wrote:  > / >> On 12/1/05, Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> wrote:  >>* >>> A customer has a DS10 running VMS 7.2. >>> B >>> I set the date (i.e. "set time=30-nov-2005:13:12", "set time")* >>> and everything is fine for the moment. >>> B >>> I come back a day or so later, and the date/time is incorrect.5 >>> I set the time yesterday, today it is reported as % >>> 30-NOV-2005 14:30:55 (at 1:16PM).  >>> B >>> I just set the time correctly, and after 1/2 hour it is off byB >>> 5 minutes. Doing a bare "set time" seems to reset the clock to >>> the correct time.  >>> > >>> I added a que entry to "set time" every hour to try to get; >>> somewhat correct times, but this doesn't make me happy.  >>> ? >>> Any ideas as to what may be happening? Why would the system  >>> clock be running so slow?  >>> > >>> I haven't changed any parameters recently, and there isn't> >>> much running on the system (a couple low volume accounting0 >>> entry programs at most, 99% idle time, etc.) >>>  >>> 7 >>> MON SYS shows (usually, but sometimes shows minimal 
 >>> usage) >>>  >>> CPU = 0  >>> page fault rate = 0  >>> direct io rate = 0 >>> free list = 25910  >>> buffered io = 0  >>>  >  >> >> Two things come to mind:  >>- >> NTP and DTSS.  Are you running either one?  >>	 >> WWWebb  >> > 9 > System is not connected to the internet, and I have not  > configured either service. >   4 Excessive interrupts causing it to miss clock ticks?  + Check "MON MODES" for large interrupt time.     5 I've seen similar many years ago (possibly on PDP-11)   due to a chattering serial port.      : > The time advances, but only about 1/2 the correct speed.? > I set the time at 13:49, it is now 15:00, but the "show time" < > is at 14:28. I've been watching it, and it isn't occurring! > in "jumps", just steadily slow.  > < > Time used to work great on this system, but has been goofy8 > for a couple of months now. System has been up for 25+7 > days (don't know if the value listed by "sho sys" for  > uptime is also affected. > 8 > I think I'll have to try a reboot and see if it clears; > up the problem. I'd still like to know what is causing it 	 > though.  >  > This is really odd,  > I > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet   > News==----K > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+   > NewsgroupsM > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----      --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2005 14:08:37 -0800 ) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> 7 Subject: Updated VMS Information - sorry about the size C Message-ID: <1133561317.614030.130850@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    -----Original Message----- From: Skonetski, Susan' Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:07 PM  To: Skonetski, SusanF Subject: Updated VMS Information please keep for future reference - ok for external use     Dear Distribution Lists,  > It has been a number of weeks since I have done an Updated VMSG Information so this is a long one, sorry about that.  If you are new to D my distribution list I try to send this out on a regular basis but IG have been out of the office for a month or so.  This is not an official E HP newsletter, it is just something I do.  As a reminder, if you were A doing an article for the January VMS Technical Journal it was due  November 15.  D All the urls work, if you have a problem the url may have wrapped to the next line.  : Have a wonderful weekend and see you next week my friends.  
 Warm Regards,  Sue      Index    1=2E VMS In the Press  2=2E New on OpenVMS.Org % 3=2E Sue's useful Web Sites this week  4=2E From VMS Engineering: 5=2E From VMS Marketing  6=2E For the Storage Fans 0 7=2E Partner Information: Oracle Rdb and Nemonix 8=2E Partner Press Releases: 9=2E Other information: ? 10. Jobs (please keep in mind I have nothing to do with hiring)       4 ----------------------------------------------------   VMS in the Press  F CIO Today Considering Data Center Outsourcing http://tinyurl.com/aqaat  1 HP's Q4 Sales Grow, Profits Hit by Restructuring: 6 http://www.itjungle.com/breaking/bn111705-story02.html  % HP Debuts Utility Computing Services: 2 http://www.itjungle.com/tug/tug120105-story01.html  D HP Ships Storage Essentials 5.0, Unveils Infrastructure Mgmt RoadmapK http://www.itnewsonline.com/showstory.php?storyid=3D1659&scatid=3D4&contid=  =3D3  4 HP's Next Stop Is Unified Infrastructure Management:4 	http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1879980,00.asp  5 -----------------------------------------------------     2 New on www.OpenVMS.Org today brand new Golden Eggs  E The complete HP Integrity Itanium "Entry System Family" is now Golden F Eggs certified. One, Two and Four U-servers have been visualized in anG easy to follow colours and shine. Understanding of HW configurations is E now practical without diving in numerous endless text pages. Miracles G of HP Integrity rx1620-2, rx2620-2 and rx4640-8 will get vide open with G these Golden Eggs diagrams. This makes your eyes and mind ready for new  IA64 servers. Mr.Golden Eggs  A Pointers to the fresh Itanium Entry System Visual Configurations:    Integrity rx4640-8: 4 http://goldeneggs.spyderbyte.com/geggs/GErx4640x.pdf Integrity rx2620-2: 4 http://goldeneggs.spyderbyte.com/geggs/GErx2620x.pdf Integrity rx1620-2: 4 http://goldeneggs.spyderbyte.com/geggs/GErx1620x.pdf  & X64 HP ProLiant Opteron / Xeon family:8 http://goldeneggs.spyderbyte.com/geggs/GTAMD64EM64T1.pdf  5 -----------------------------------------------------       Sue's useful Web Sites this week  2 Get the Real Story see: www.hp.com/go/therealstory  A The following art work is done by one of our customers in Canada. # http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/shark/     ? Define the HP software backup policy for OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX 
 platforms.1 http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=3Dbak12   , --------------------------------------------   >From VMS Engineering:0 Announcement: CSWS 2.1 for OpenVMS Alpha and I64  B HP is pleased to provide you with Version 2.1, a new HP-supported,G customer release version of the HP Secure Web Server for OpenVMS (based  on Apache).   > Version 2.1 is based on Apache 2.0.52 and contains several newF features, including support for suEXEC and mod_dav, and the lifting of1 the STREAM_LF restriction present in Version 2.0.   G Also announced today are new versions of PHP (CSWS_PHP 1.3), Perl (PERL : 5=2E8-6) and Tomcat (CSWS_JAVA 3.0) for use with CSWS 2.1.  4 You can download CSWS 2.1 and related products from:  ? http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws.html   . ----------------------------------------------   >From VMS Marketing   G New white paper -  "Achieving the highest levels of IT security with HP G OpenVMS," presents an overview of the HP OpenVMS environment's security / and its role in enterprise business continuity. ;  http://h71000.www7.hp.com/news/whitepaper_IT_security.html   A  New whitepaper - covers OpenVMS on HP Integrity servers business @ practices The "Business practices for HP OpenVMS on HP IntegrityE servers" whitepaper provides an in-depth, business practices overview C of OpenVMS on HP Integrity servers, including operating environment F bundles, license types, license management, license trade-in policies, and software support offers 6 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/news/business_practices.html  E New data sheet highlights OpenVMS on HP Integrity servers  The new HP ? OpenVMS Version 8.2-1 on HP Integrity servers data sheet offers F detailed information highlighting the features and benefits of OpenVMS. across the entire line of HP Integrity servers7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/news/integrity_datasheet.html   C  New OpenVMS brochure - The new brochure, "HP OpenVMS exceeding the ? expectations of the world's most demanding enterprises," is now C available. The brochure offers an array of detailed information and C proof points, highlighting the exceptional features and benefits of > OpenVMS for both HP Integrity servers and AlphaServer systems.< http://h71000.www7.hp.com/news/alpha_integrity_brochure.html  G New whitepaper details OpenVMS cluster support for HP Integrity servers ?  The new whitepaper "HP OpenVMS cluster support on HP Integrity ? servers" provides detailed information about HP OpenVMS cluster B software running on HP Integrity servers and how the design of theF OpenVMS cluster architecture facilitates the integration of OpenVMS onB HP Integrity servers into an existing OpenVMS cluster environment.7  http://h71000.www7.hp.com/news/cluster_whitepaper.html   4 ----------------------------------------------------  D For the Storage Fans (no pun intended) may or may not be VMS related  : HP selected as most innovative storage technology vendor -G HPCwire just released the 2005's Reader's Choice Awards.  HP's Scalable C File Share is the Editor's Choice for the category: Most Innovative  Storage Technology Vendor.2 http://www.taborcommunications.com/hpc/509896.html   Tape Drive Shootout G The recent PC Quest Tape Drive Shootout indicates both the U448 and the F U960 drives submitted by HP got excellent reviews with U960 expectedlyC emerging as the best performing drive in the shootout!  See the SWD % Awards page for the Shootout Results: 5 http://swd.tsgonline.hp.com/marketing/award/index.htm < StorageWorks Collateral - Internal/Channel/Customer Viewable? - HP ProLiant Storage Servers Applications brief, 4AA0-2775ENW: $ http://source.hp.com/go/4AA0-2775ENW> - HP StorageWorks Utility Ready Storage customer presentation:% http://source.hp.com/go/c00530649 and I https://www.avitage.com/hp/cag/all.htm?38=3Dax3h69dp,rn49j83v,-2147324666  (Presentation Builder)7 - Tape will outlive us all - white paper, 4AA0-3094ENW: $ http://source.hp.com/go/4AA0-3094ENW: - Mainframe data backup and disaster recovery white paper,2 4AA0-3099ENW: http://source.hp.com/go/4AA0-3099ENWA - Parallel Access Volumes, Multiple Allegiances, and Priority I/O G Queuing white paper, 4AA0-3100ENW: http://source.hp.com/go/4AA0-3100ENW   6 ------------------------------------------------------   Partner Information:  G Oracle is pleased to announce the availability of Field Test 5 for it's E continuing Rdb 7.2 Beta Program.  The field test of Oracle Rdb 7.2 is A available to run on OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 for HP Integrity > Servers and for OpenVMS for AlphaServer systems.  The kits are; available for download on the Rdb 7.2 Beta program web site = (http://otnbeta.oracle.com/Rdb/index.htm) for registered Beta 
 customers.  F      For this Beta update, we have refreshed the Rdb, DBMS, CDD, JDBC, SQL/Services and Trace kits.  G      The Oracle Rdb Field Test Release 7.2 requires OpenVMS version 8.2 B or higher for Alpha systems or OpenVMS version 8.2-1 for Integrity@ servers.  Customers in the Beta program will be provided with an< advance copy of OpenVMS version 8.2-1 for Integrity servers.  D      Oracle expects to release Oracle Rdb Release 7.2 for production@ use in the first quarter of calendar year 2006, with a target ofG January.  If you have not done so already, you can register for the Rdb 8 7=2E2 Beta Program by visiting our Beta Program web site* (http://otnbeta.oracle.com/Rdb/index.htm).7 -------------------------------------------------------     @ If you look at  http://www.nemonixengineering.com/whats_new.html? Dual Port Gigabit Ethernet Controller for DS, ES, and GS series  HP AlphaServers A NEMONIX=99 Engineering is pleased to announce a Dual Port Gigabit > Ethernet Controller for DS, ES, and GS series HP AlphaServers.G NEMONIX=99 Engineering, long known for VAX performance enhancements, is G now expanding their offerings to include HP AlphaServer system hardware F enhancements. This continues the strategic focus of extending customer> ROI on existing HP OpenVMS systems. The controller was jointlyA engineered over the past year by NEMONIX=99 Engineering and HP in B response to HP customer demand. This first AlphaServer offering is@ targeted at owners of DS, ES, and GS systems. It brings expandedF network flexibility and gigabit ethernet speeds to AlphaServers beyond@ the included single 10/100 Mb capability. It is also targeted toB eliminate "slot crunch" in slot limited systems like the DS10L/20L> by providing enhanced network configuration opportunities. TheE controller operates in a single 64 bit PCI or PCI-x slot in supported  AlphaServer configurations.   F Current NEMONIX=99 Engineering supported configurations include the HPE AlphaServer DS, ES, and GS series systems running HP OpenVMS=99 7.3-2 F Alpha and above, OpenVMS Cluster control, UCX=99, Multinet=99, TCP/IP,@ and DecNET=99. As with all NEMONIX=99 Engineering options, it is& covered by a limited 3 year warrantee.  7 For ordering, availability, and pricing please contact:   < NEMONIX=99 Engineering at 1-800-435-8650, 1-508-393-7700, or. by email at: engnemonix@nemonixengineering.com  -------------------------------- Partner Press Releases:   B LightSand Teams with HP and Digital Networks to Demonstrate Oracle/ 9iRAC Disaster Tolerant Solution Up To 2000 km: L http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=3Dnews_=* view&newsId=3D20051108005514&newsLang=3Den or http://tinyurl.com/7kn9e   A Attunity Real-Time Data Integration for Microsoft SQL Server 2005 0 Supports Operational Business Intelligence (BI):L http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=3Dnews_=* view&newsId=3D20051107005831&newsLang=3Den or http://tinyurl.com/7tzt2   " ----------------------------------   Other information:   For our friends in Canada 0 CONTACT INFORMATION FOR HP USER GROUPS IN CANADA Encompass Canada( Web Site: http://www.encompasscanada.com: Contact: Dave Wilson - E-mail: inquire@encompasscanada.org Toronto HP Users Group (TUG); Web site: http://www.interex.com/lug/Canada/OntarioTUG.html D Contact: Wanda Komorowski - E-mail: komorowski@interex.org  - Phone:5 905.702.0630 HP Alberta Regional User Group (ALTARUG) 8 Web site: http://www.interex.org/lug/Canada/Alberta.html5 Contact: Kees denHartigh -E-mail: kees@ee.ualberta.ca , Edmonton and Area Local Users Group (EARLUG) Web Site: http://earlug.org   ' ---------------------------------------  Jobs:  -----Original Message-----4 From: Laura McGaughey [mailto:lmcgaughey@parsec.com]* Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:46 AM To: Skonetski, Susan Cc: Rick Arnold; Paul Williams* Subject: PARSEC Looking for OpenVMS Expert   Good morning, Sue,  B We have a posting for an open position here at PARSEC Group for anE OpenVMS expert. I've pasted the ad for it below my signature, and the 3 direct link to the posting on our PLANET website is L http://www.openvmsplanet.org/index.php?s=3D&c=3D21&d=3D&e=3D&f=3D&g=3D&a=3D= 1061&w=3D2.   B If you could distribute this as you see fit, we'd be appreciative.B Please let me know if I can be of any assistance to you, and happy	 holidays!   
 Thank you,   Laura  Laura McGaughey  Sales & Marketing Coordinator  PARSEC Group Inc.  999 18th Street, Suite 3230  Denver, CO 80202   Phone: (303) 763-9600 x238 Direct: (720) 962-9583    ! ------- Original Message -------- C Subject: 	Immediate Job Opportunity: VMS Engineering Team Lead (Job  #302) ! Date: 	29 Nov 2005 15:29:48 -0500 A From: 	Agile Resources Recruiting <recruiting@agileresources.com>  To: 	bradhamilton@comcast.net        Dear Bradford,  C My name is Sandi Mack, and I am a recruiter with Agile Resources, a @ leading staffing firm focused on the consulting and professional@ services industry. I am writing to let you know we are presentlyF assisting a client in New England to identify qualified candidates for: a fulltime VMS Senior Systems Engineer / Analyst position.  D To be considered for this position, candidates should have extensive? experience in lead systems-analyst / engineer roles on multiple E projects involving the installation, configuration and maintenance of C Open VMS (VMS 6.2 and higher required), DECnet Phase V, DECnet over F TCP/IP, LAT, TCP/IP (UCX 4.2 to 5.4) and layered product suites on VAXC and ALPHA platforms in both clustered and single node environments. = Familiarity with Storageworks disk arrays, and DECservers, IS D NECESSARY. EMC storage experience is a plus, as is exposure to otherC platforms such as Unix, Solaris, Linux, or Windows NT/2000/2003/XP.   A This is a fulltime, benefits-eligible permanent position, with an . anticipated annual salary of $70-80K per year.  F If you believe that you, or someone you may know, may be qualified for? the position described above, I would like to hear from you. To D respond, please reply with a current resume emphasizing the relevantE experience as described above. Please be sure to refer to Job #302 in > your response and all future correspondence pertaining to this	 position.   # I look forward to hearing from you.      Thank you and Regards,   Sandi Mack, Recruiter  Agile Resources, LLC  15 Constitution Drive, Suite 175 Bedford NH 03110% e-mail: recruiting@agileresources.com & <mailto:recruiting@agileresources.com>F Website: http://www.agileresourcescom <http://www.agileresources.com/>< 603-589-8032 (main) 603-369-3762 (direct) 603-218-6258 (fax)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:04:54 +02007 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com>  Subject: V8.3 teaser* Message-ID: <438ea098@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  0 If you are not using BACKUP stop reading now....  : (if you stopped reading your boss should know about it ;-)  9 If you ever used BACKUP you must have hit CTRL-T to watch B it progress, and you probably saw output similar to the following:  I IPL31::_VTAT3: 08:54:45 BACKUP    CPU=00:00:02.64 PF=1588 IO=5024 MEM=466 J  Restoring file: DKA100:[DWMOTIF_SUPPORT_I64XB2U.KIT]HP-.PCSI$COMPRESSED;18  Saveset volume:1, saveset block:164 (32256 byte blocks)  C Okay, how many people think that 164 blocks each 32256 is readable? " (if you do stop reading now....;-)  G For V8.3 I slightly updated the message...here is the result, a picture  is worth a thousand words....   I IPL31::_VTAT3: 07:53:25 BACKUP    CPU=00:00:02.34 PF=1406 IO=3537 MEM=477 J  Restoring file: DKA100:[DWMOTIF_SUPPORT_I64XB2U.KIT]HP-.PCSI$COMPRESSED;18  Saveset volume:1, saveset block:489 (32256 byte blocks)-  15.04MB restored out of 1.18GB, 1% completed @  Restore rate: 960KB/sec, estimated completion time: 08:14:42.74   Guy   H (If you would like to be added to the V8.3 field test [Feb 2006] send me@ mail, and I'll connect you to the appropriate people within HP).   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:04:00 +02007 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com>  Subject: Re: V8.3 teaser* Message-ID: <438ef4c4@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  5 "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote in message & news:438ef3c5$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com...J > Cool.  Here's another 1+ for it...  add a new switch like /PROGRESS=m.ssC > which fires off a repeating timer that fires every m (minutes).ss 	 (seconds) K > and clears the top 5 lines of the terminal, puts the cursor to the top of  > the screen and fakes a ^T. >  > ;-)   1 Careful what you wish for it may come true....;-)    >  > D > "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com> wrote in message& > news:438ea098@usenet01.boi.hp.com...4 > > If you are not using BACKUP stop reading now.... > > > > > (if you stopped reading your boss should know about it ;-) > > = > > If you ever used BACKUP you must have hit CTRL-T to watch F > > it progress, and you probably saw output similar to the following: > > E > > IPL31::_VTAT3: 08:54:45 BACKUP    CPU=00:00:02.64 PF=1588 IO=5024  MEM=466  > >  Restoring file:9 DKA100:[DWMOTIF_SUPPORT_I64XB2U.KIT]HP-.PCSI$COMPRESSED;1 < > >  Saveset volume:1, saveset block:164 (32256 byte blocks) > > G > > Okay, how many people think that 164 blocks each 32256 is readable? & > > (if you do stop reading now....;-) > > K > > For V8.3 I slightly updated the message...here is the result, a picture ! > > is worth a thousand words....  > > E > > IPL31::_VTAT3: 07:53:25 BACKUP    CPU=00:00:02.34 PF=1406 IO=3537  MEM=477  > >  Restoring file:9 DKA100:[DWMOTIF_SUPPORT_I64XB2U.KIT]HP-.PCSI$COMPRESSED;1 < > >  Saveset volume:1, saveset block:489 (32256 byte blocks)1 > >  15.04MB restored out of 1.18GB, 1% completed D > >  Restore rate: 960KB/sec, estimated completion time: 08:14:42.74 > >  > > Guy  > > L > > (If you would like to be added to the V8.3 field test [Feb 2006] send meD > > mail, and I'll connect you to the appropriate people within HP). > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:59:48 -0500* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: V8.3 teaser, Message-ID: <438ef3c5$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  H Cool.  Here's another 1+ for it...  add a new switch like /PROGRESS=m.ssK which fires off a repeating timer that fires every m (minutes).ss (seconds) I and clears the top 5 lines of the terminal, puts the cursor to the top of  the screen and fakes a ^T.   ;-)     B "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com> wrote in message$ news:438ea098@usenet01.boi.hp.com...2 > If you are not using BACKUP stop reading now.... > < > (if you stopped reading your boss should know about it ;-) > ; > If you ever used BACKUP you must have hit CTRL-T to watch D > it progress, and you probably saw output similar to the following: > K > IPL31::_VTAT3: 08:54:45 BACKUP    CPU=00:00:02.64 PF=1588 IO=5024 MEM=466 L >  Restoring file: DKA100:[DWMOTIF_SUPPORT_I64XB2U.KIT]HP-.PCSI$COMPRESSED;1: >  Saveset volume:1, saveset block:164 (32256 byte blocks) > E > Okay, how many people think that 164 blocks each 32256 is readable? $ > (if you do stop reading now....;-) > I > For V8.3 I slightly updated the message...here is the result, a picture  > is worth a thousand words....  > K > IPL31::_VTAT3: 07:53:25 BACKUP    CPU=00:00:02.34 PF=1406 IO=3537 MEM=477 L >  Restoring file: DKA100:[DWMOTIF_SUPPORT_I64XB2U.KIT]HP-.PCSI$COMPRESSED;1: >  Saveset volume:1, saveset block:489 (32256 byte blocks)/ >  15.04MB restored out of 1.18GB, 1% completed B >  Restore rate: 960KB/sec, estimated completion time: 08:14:42.74 >  > Guy  > J > (If you would like to be added to the V8.3 field test [Feb 2006] send meB > mail, and I'll connect you to the appropriate people within HP). >  >  >    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:00:23 -0600 (CST)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: V8.3 teaser2 Message-ID: <05120216002324_2038971B@antinode.org>  7 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com>   K > IPL31::_VTAT3: 07:53:25 BACKUP    CPU=00:00:02.34 PF=1406 IO=3537 MEM=477 L >  Restoring file: DKA100:[DWMOTIF_SUPPORT_I64XB2U.KIT]HP-.PCSI$COMPRESSED;1: >  Saveset volume:1, saveset block:489 (32256 byte blocks)/ >  15.04MB restored out of 1.18GB, 1% completed B >  Restore rate: 960KB/sec, estimated completion time: 08:14:42.74  G    Nice.  Now, is there anything easy you can do to improve the message + for a non-save-set operation?  For example:   # ALP $ backup [.v8r2...] [.v8r2a...] /  Last file scanned: DKA100:[V8R2]alpha082.bck;1 6  Saveset volume:0, saveset block:0 (33040 byte blocks)/  Last file scanned: DKA100:[V8R2]alpha082.bck;1 6  Saveset volume:0, saveset block:0 (33040 byte blocks)/  Last file scanned: DKA100:[V8R2]alpha082.bck;1 6  Saveset volume:0, saveset block:0 (33040 byte blocks)  F It doesn't give the time, and the "Last file scanned:" is not useless,C but if the second line will always say "block:0", you could omit it  completely, and I'd be happier.   J > (If you would like to be added to the V8.3 field test [Feb 2006] send meB > mail, and I'll connect you to the appropriate people within HP).  D    I haven't done a field test since V7.2-FT2 (May 1998), when, as IE recall, it was the cheapest way to get a VMS CD kit (and PAKs) for my E "new" (well, unused, anyway) AlphaStation 200 4/233, and the Hobbyist D program was still VAX-only.  I'm more interested in an MMS which canF cope with ODS5 mixed-case file names, but if you think I might be ableG to contribute something, I could put it onto the spare XP1000 here.  (I ? suppose that it'd _still_ tell me to upgrade the old (dead-end) D firmware, too, if it works at all.  Not that I'm complaining.  No, I wouldn't do _that_.)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:28:55 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: V8.3 teaser+ Message-ID: <4390F4D3.F581094@teksavvy.com>    FredK wrote: > J > Cool.  Here's another 1+ for it...  add a new switch like /PROGRESS=m.ssM > which fires off a repeating timer that fires every m (minutes).ss (seconds) K > and clears the top 5 lines of the terminal, puts the cursor to the top of  > the screen and fakes a ^T.  G No. It should be BACKUP/INTERFACE=DECWINDOWS with a full GUI interface, G progress bars, full backup options clicakble, and a list of devices and C directories in each devices which you can select for the backup :-)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:07:31 -0500* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: V8.3 teaser, Message-ID: <4390fde4$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  K The right way to do this is a callable backup interface, and a Motif widget I to call it.  You can probably do it with a Motif app calling backup via a L child process feeding it DCL commands.  Give up COV for a couple weeks - and	 do it ;-)         : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message% news:4390F4D3.F581094@teksavvy.com...  > FredK wrote: > > L > > Cool.  Here's another 1+ for it...  add a new switch like /PROGRESS=m.ssE > > which fires off a repeating timer that fires every m (minutes).ss 	 (seconds) J > > and clears the top 5 lines of the terminal, puts the cursor to the top of > > the screen and fakes a ^T. > I > No. It should be BACKUP/INTERFACE=DECWINDOWS with a full GUI interface, I > progress bars, full backup options clicakble, and a list of devices and E > directories in each devices which you can select for the backup :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2005 19:25:17 -0800 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: V8.3 teaserB Message-ID: <1133580317.344773.88100@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   Dave Froble wrote: > H > Damn, JF beat me to the progress bar, but someone should tell him that  > not everybody uses DECwindows. >   E Get permission from Apple to port Aqua to VMS.  Then convince Jobs to B switch the MacOS kernel from Mach to VMS after OSX.9.  Oh and have Apple buy VMS from HP?  G Dang, I think the kids put something funny in my brownies again...  ;-)    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2005 00:01:03 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: V8.3 teaser3 Message-ID: <rCZZwld89PLp@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <11p230khul66t17@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > JF Mezei wrote:  >> FredK wrote:  >>  K >>>Cool.  Here's another 1+ for it...  add a new switch like /PROGRESS=m.ss N >>>which fires off a repeating timer that fires every m (minutes).ss (seconds)L >>>and clears the top 5 lines of the terminal, puts the cursor to the top of >>>the screen and fakes a ^T.  >>   >>  J >> No. It should be BACKUP/INTERFACE=DECWINDOWS with a full GUI interface,J >> progress bars, full backup options clicakble, and a list of devices andF >> directories in each devices which you can select for the backup :-) > I > Damn, JF beat me to the progress bar, but someone should tell him that    > not everybody uses DECwindows.  8 I thought card readers were only supported on VAX... :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2005 13:17:26 -0800 ' From: "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> ; Subject: Re: values for vcc_ptes and show/mem/cache/full??? A Message-ID: <1133558246.393822.5630@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   D When I don't get a response I figure the q wasn't very clear, or ...  > What is the unit of measure for the sysgen parameter vcc_ptes?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:40:07 -0500, From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> Subject: Re: VMS web site bug , Message-ID: <438f50e5$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  M yes I do. you will notice the page you goto has ?jumpid=/go/vms/doc on it. I  L get metrics based on that jumpid string if you have javascript turn on. All  our metrics require javascript.   I [I do have all the server log files also but don't analyze them anymore.]    -warren     ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:438E1362.C86433EB@teksavvy.com... > warren sander wrote: >>K >> http://www.hp.com/go/vms/doc didn't exist until I created it a couple of $ >> seconds ago. It should mirror out. >> to the hp.com servers in a couple of hours. >  > J > It is working now. Many thanks. That is one big time saver shortcut (theJ > doc one) I didn't know about, it is good to have it combined with "vms". >  > G > BTW, do you get statistics on how often the go/openvms and go/vms are H > used ? Would those constitute the vast majority of referals to the VMSD > home page ? Or do most visits actually come from people who browseL > through the HP web site and actually find they way to the VMS home page ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:36:35 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: VMS web site bug , Message-ID: <4390F69F.48B4EEE1@teksavvy.com>   warren sander wrote: > N > yes I do. you will notice the page you goto has ?jumpid=/go/vms/doc on it. IM > get metrics based on that jumpid string if you have javascript turn on. All ! > our metrics require javascript.   $ Are you sure it requires javascript?  A With javascript disabled, when I try http://www.hp.com/go/vms/doc    it gets a redirect to:  = http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/index.html?jumpid="/go/vms/doc"   F So wouldn't the server logs include that request even if javascript is
 disabled ?  E Or do you guys ignore web server logs and using only fancy javascript 4 stuff that make requests to a different web servers?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:00:58 -0500 From: "Jilly" <jilly@hp.com>5 Subject: Re: [ORACLE 10G] Installing on OpenVMS Alpha , Message-ID: <438f102b$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  I If you look at the code for process creation you see the following (much   simplified)   J Process Quota Block (PQB) is allocated and immediately filled in with the  PQL_D values  K If the process is interactive, the PQB is completely over written with UAF   values then jump to A K If the process is batch, the PQB is overwritten with the UAF values and if  L the batch queue has quota limits they are entered into the PQB then jump to  A L If the process is network, the PQB is overwritten with the UAF then jump to  A K If the process is detached AND the UAF flag is set, the PQB is overwritten  " with the UAF values then jump to AK If the process is detached AND quotas were specified in the $CREPRC or RUN  E command, the specified quotas are entered into the PQB then jump to A   L A) the quotas in the PQB are checked against the PQL_M and boosted to PQL_M  level if needed     @ "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:438E5DD8.1B30F004@comcast.net...  > Dave Froble wrote: >> >> David J Dachtera wrote: >> > Dave Froble wrote:  >> > >> >>Martin Vorlaender wrote:  >> >> . >> >>>Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>' >> >>>>Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:  >> >>>>  >> >>>> D >> >>>>>I find the recommendation of SYSGEN PQL_Mxxxxx values uhhhm  >> >>>>>interesting.L >> >>>>>I understand CHANNELCNT and UAF parameters, but not the SYSGEN PQL_M >> >>>>>hammer.  >> >>>> G >> >>>>The PQL_M* parameters are minimums for processes created without 0 >> >>>>LOGINOUT, so I don't see their relavence? >> >>> >> >>>J >> >>>As Oracle creates a lot of detached processes, and seemingly from a 	 >> >>>lot C >> >>>of places in their code, they suggest PQL_M* adjustments for   >> >>>performance K >> >>>reasons instead of going through the hassle to work out decent quotas ; >> >>>for each and every ORA* process. A big hammer indeed.  >> >>>	 >> >>>cu,  >> >>>  Martin >> >> K >> >>I would think that the PQL_D* parameters would be more appropriate for . >> >>such?  Am I misunderstanding their usage? >> > >> >J >> > Well, remember that the "D" stands for "Default", and the "M" stands  >> > forK >> > "Miminum" In PQL_D and PQL_M, respectively. The Minimums over-ride the F >> > Default (or UAF) quotas only when the Minimum is greater than the >> > Default (or UAF) quota. >> > >>I >> Right.  So leave the minimums alone, and set the defaults for what you K >> need.  That's what you'll get.  At least, that's the way I've been doing  >> it for the last 25 years. > G > Well, the PQL_D's apply to $CREPRCs where no parameters are supplied. 7 > The PQL_M's, however, apply to all process creations.  > C > I don't think I've ever fully grasped the subtlety of nuance that  > represents, but... > I >> I had a customer that thought the M stood for MAX.  She set one of the I >> parameters extremely high, and the system almost came to a standstill.  > : > Probably PQL_MWSDEFAULT or PQLMWSQUOTA or PQL_MWSEXTENT. >  > --   > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  >  > Coming soon:) > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page     ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.672 ************************