1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 05 Dec 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 677       Contents: Flushing SYS$OUTPUT log files ! Re: Flushing SYS$OUTPUT log files  Hobbyist VAX consoles  Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles  Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles  Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles  Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles  Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles  Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles  Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles  Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles  Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles  Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles  Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles  Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?  Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ? ' Re: osCommerce or similar shopping cart " Pathworks network printing problem Re: Simh Netwoking< Simh Netwoking (was: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie)/ Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX? / Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?  Re: Time problem Re: Time problem Re: Time problem Re: Time problem Re: Time problem Re: V8.3 teaser  Re: V8.3 teaser  Re: V8.3 teaser  Re: V8.3 teaser  Re: V8.3 teaser  Re: V8.3 teaser  Re: V8.3 teaser 2 Re: values for vcc_ptes and show/mem/cache/full???) Was the LN17 a DEC-branded Xerox printer? - Re: Was the LN17 a DEC-branded Xerox printer?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:23:16 +08003 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> & Subject: Flushing SYS$OUTPUT log files1 Message-ID: <dn0tf9$du2$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi,   I Like many other people (judging by past requests to cov) I have a need to K make sure my batch or detached jobs have successfully logged information to H the disk-file (rather than just the RMS buffer) in case of machine crashG etc. The log entries are not critical and it wouldn't be the end of the H world if they were lost but they would certainly be bloody useful when aF support person is trying to work out the last thing that was going on.  I So, I hit the manuals and cov archives and first looked at SET OUTPUT and L wasn't too keen on that, and then looked at getting the IFI from translatingG SYS$OUTPUT and connecting a stream of my own and, optionally, forcing a H $FLUSH when needed. This seems to work pretty well on both VAX and Alpha@ (see below)  but the thought occured to me "Why the hell doesn't, LIB$PUT_OUTPUT just have a FLAGS argument?".  F Any ideas? Is there another simpler way of doing this? COV has severalJ queries for this but I couldn't find the answer. All the functionality andK assumptions are documented in the lovely manuals so it has to be supported. I Doesn't it? Is everyone else sticking with SET OUTPUT (which doesn't seem K too fussed about when the last flush took place and just dogmatically fires  off at interval x).    Regards Richard Maher    $! $create t3$log.mar ;++  ; 4 ; (c) Copyright Tier3 Software. All rights reserved. ; @ ;     Ownership of this software and all associated intellectual@ ;     property rights remain vested in Tier3 Software Ltd.  This@ ;     software  or any other copies thereof  may not be provided6 ;     or otherwise made available to any other person. ; * ;     Do not remove this copyright notice. ;  ;     Author: Richard Maher  ;  ;-- 4         .title  t3$log - SYS$OUTPUT logging routines         .ident  "V1.0"           $psldef          $lnmdef            .extrn lib$initialize          .psect> lib$initialize,nopic,usr,con,rel,gbl,noshr,noexe,rd,nowrt,long  .                     .address       t3$log_open  B         .psect  t3$rw_data,pic,con,rel,lcl,noshr,noexe,rd,wrt,long   out_fab:            $fab4 out_rab:            $rab            fab=<out_fab>, -4                                     rhb=<ctrl_bytes>3 out_name:           .blkb           lnm$c_namlength % init_err:           .long           0   D         .psect  t3$ro_data,pic,con,rel,lcl,noshr,noexe,rd,nowrt,long  2 lnm$file_dev:       .ascid          "LNM$FILE_DEV"0 sys$output:         .ascid          "SYS$OUTPUT"@ lnm_output_lst:     .word           lnm$c_namlength, lnm$_string,                     .address        out_name(                     .long           0, 0( ctrl_bytes:         .byte           1, 0 ctrl_hdr_size=.-ctrl_bytes  =         .psect  t3$code,pic,con,rel,lcl,shr,exe,rd,nowrt,long  ;+ ; Open our stream to sys$output  ;-)         .call_entry     label=t3$log_open   1         $trnlnm_s       tabnam=lnm$file_dev,    - 1                         lognam=sys$output,      - 1                         acmode=#psl$c_super,    - G                         itmlst=lnm_output_lst   ; Ignore /USER override          blbs            r0,5$ #         movl            r0,init_err          ret   ( 5$:     cmpb            out_name,#<^x1b>         beql            10$ +         movzwl          #ss$_abort,init_err          ret   C 10$:    bisw3           out_name+2,#fab$m_ppf_ind,out_fab+fab$w_ifi #         $display        fab=out_fab          blbs            r0,15$#         movl            r0,init_err          ret   8 15$:    cmpb            out_fab+fab$b_fsz,#ctrl_hdr_size         beql            20$ +         movzwl          #ss$_abort,init_err          ret   4 20$:    bitb            #fab$m_prn,out_fab+fab$b_rat         bneq            30$ +         movzwl          #ss$_abort,init_err          ret   # 30$:    $connect        rab=out_rab          blbs            r0,99$#         movl            r0,init_err    99$:    ret  ;+ ; Log the info ;-*         .call_entry     label=t3$log_write  )         tstw            out_rab+rab$w_isi          bneq            5$#         movl            init_err,r0          ret    5$:     cmpb            (ap),#2          bgeq            10$ '         movzwl          #ss$_insfarg,r0          ret     10$:    movl            4(ap),r6;         movl            dsc$a_pointer(r6),out_rab+rab$l_rbf :         movw            dsc$w_length(r6),out_rab+rab$w_rsz#         $put            rab=out_rab          blbc            r0,99$  )         bitl            #t3$m_flush,8(ap)          beql            99$   #         $flush          rab=out_rab    99$:    ret            .end $! $mac/lis t3$log  $! $create log_test.cob identification division. program-id.    log_test. *  data division. working-storage section.H 01  t3$m_flush                  pic 9(9)        comp    value   external t3$m_flush. H 01  rms$_normal                 pic 9(9)        comp    value   external rms$_normal.H 01  ss$_normal                  pic 9(9)        comp    value   external ss$_normal. 5 01  sys_status                  pic 9(9)        comp.  * D 01  two_mins                                    comp-1 value    120. *  procedure division.  00.      call "t3$log_write" '         using   by descriptor   "Hello" *                 by value        t3$m_flush         giving  sys_status. B     if sys_status not = rms$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value sys_status.        call "t3$log_write" *         using   by descriptor   "Good-Bye"!                 by value        0          giving  sys_status. B     if sys_status not = rms$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value sys_status.   5     call "lib$wait" using two_mins giving sys_status. A     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value  sys_status.   
     stop run.  *  end program log_test.  $! $cob/lis log_test  $! $ link  log_test.obj, -          t3$log.obj, -          sys$input:/options   symbol=t3$m_flush,64  4 collect = t3$init, lib$initializdz, lib$initializd_, lib$initialize,lib$initialize$   $! $exit    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:32:12 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) * Subject: Re: Flushing SYS$OUTPUT log files. Message-ID: <wQ_kf.45$Xr5.12@news.cpqcorp.net>  g In article <dn0tf9$du2$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:    :...I have a need toL :make sure my batch or detached jobs have successfully logged information toL :the disk-file (rather than just the RMS buffer) in case of machine crash...  E   Machine crashes?  I'd be looking very carefully at the hardware and @   the software.  OpenVMS system crashes are just not normal nor )   expected behaviour.  But you knew that.      As for the problem...   D   I tend to write to an application log file, and not to the defaultG   output.  This means I have the log file when I need it, not just when D   it gets saved to disk by a batch job or a caller.  (I also tend toC   use commands such as the debugger SET OUTPUT, SHOW STACK and SHOW D   CALLS, and other such activities, in order to get a better picture1   of the failure.  The process dump signal, too.    C   (In my view, the default output device is for communications with C   the application user, and is ill-suited for non-trivial debugging @   and traceback information.  Now I have most certainly used theC   default output for application tracing, and the default output is 6   the output of last resort for application failures.)  E   Current versions of OpenVMS flush the logs during $delprc and other D   "hard" deletions; OpenVMS now invokes the rundown for rather more A   cases.  (I don't recall which OpenVMS version implemented this     change, off-hand.)  G   Long-standing solutions for generating application log files involves G   the use of shared output and a private application file, as described 
   in the FAQ.   D   If working within device driver context (eg: if my code is what isE   causing the system crash), I tend to use the tr_print calls.  These E   calls manage a rinb buffer, and SDA writes this out during a system G   crash.  See vms_macros.h and the associated SDA extension for details 
   of this.  D   During machine crashes, the only solution I am aware of is the oneC   used by transactional systems -- you need to ensure that all data C   is logged, or none of the data associated with the transaction is E   logged.  RMS journaling is one solution, and most any database will C   provide this support as well.  (This is specific to transactional D   systems, and not to the traditional operations of applications andA   process log files.)  To get the data out, of course, $flush it. A   (But as one programmer recently discovered, calling $flush (or  >   fflush and fsync) after each line of output is comparatively
   expensive.)   B   SET OUTPUT is an approach for batch logs, and I also tend to useF   SET FILE/END_OF_FILE when working with potentially-partially-writtenB   logs.  This latter command moves the EOF, potentially exposing a?   few more lines of output in the application log file to view.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 05:05:31 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> Subject: Hobbyist VAX consoles, Message-ID: <439410C7.810439E7@teksavvy.com>  H But with upcoming additions to my family, I have begun to look at how toF handle the console issues related to having different headless vaxes.   C On wintel crap, people buy the inevitable "KVM" switches and have a B gazillion wintel boxes run in headless mode with just one having a' keyboard and video activated at a time.   C With VAXes, specifically the MVII, VAX 4000 200 and 600, will these C beasts autoboot if there is nothing connected to the console port ?   E I seem to recall an experience with the MVII not autobooting  because I the screen with in hold screen mode. (this was a very long long time ago)   D My goal is probably to wire the consoles into my all mighty microvaxA II's many serial ports. My concern is what happens if there is no E application connected to the port on the MVII and the hardware issues ? CTRL-S or drops modem signals, will the other node freeze or be ? prevented from autobooting because the serial port is on hold ?   D (Note, since the MVII takes longer to boot, there would be some timeG period between the time the serial ports are autoconfigured by sysgen , F the time SYSTARTUP_VMS sets permanent characteristics on the ports andH the time some logging application is started to capture output from that
 node's OPA0.)    Any concerns about that ?    -----     F I know that in a workstation environment, "OPA0" is disabled and OPCOM? not going to it and no OPERATOR.LOG accumulating in that root's  SYS$MANAGER.    H To emulate the workstation behaviour in a cluster, it is just a question of   $DEFINE OPC$LOFILE_ENABLE FALSE  $DEFINE OPC$OPA0_ENABLE FALSE   B in sylogicals.com  ???? Or is there more to do ?  (syslogicals.comB doesn't mention if those needs to be defined /SYSTEM or not. On myF workstation, those logicals do not exist once booted, so is it correctF to assume they are used only during the startup process ? What happens% if OPCOM goes down and is restarted ?       F Lets say I have all nodes except my microvax II with the above. So the; microvax II's OPERATOR.LOG will be the central repository.    G What happens when that MV-II goes down and there is no longer any OPCOM  receiver and no log file ?  < Or should I always define at least 2 nodes to have OPCOM and OPERATOR.LOG enabled ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:25:40 -0500 , From: Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.invalid>" Subject: Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles. Message-ID: <dn1bkb$q25$1@stationair.kjsl.com>   JF Mezei wrote: J > But with upcoming additions to my family, I have begun to look at how toH > handle the console issues related to having different headless vaxes.  > E > On wintel crap, people buy the inevitable "KVM" switches and have a D > gazillion wintel boxes run in headless mode with just one having a) > keyboard and video activated at a time.  > E > With VAXes, specifically the MVII, VAX 4000 200 and 600, will these E > beasts autoboot if there is nothing connected to the console port ?    Yes.  H But why don't you get a cheap Cisco 2511 on the used market, connect allE the consoles to it, and be done with it? Leave the sucker running all $ the time, it doesn't use much power.   -jav   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2005 13:18:16 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles, Message-ID: <3vit0oF168r88U1@individual.net>  . In article <dn1bkb$q25$1@stationair.kjsl.com>,/ 	Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.invalid> writes:  > JF Mezei wrote: K >> But with upcoming additions to my family, I have begun to look at how to I >> handle the console issues related to having different headless vaxes.   >>  F >> On wintel crap, people buy the inevitable "KVM" switches and have aE >> gazillion wintel boxes run in headless mode with just one having a * >> keyboard and video activated at a time. >>  F >> With VAXes, specifically the MVII, VAX 4000 200 and 600, will theseF >> beasts autoboot if there is nothing connected to the console port ? >  > Yes. > J > But why don't you get a cheap Cisco 2511 on the used market, connect allG > the consoles to it, and be done with it? Leave the sucker running all & > the time, it doesn't use much power.  D The 2511 is a router.  Were you perhaps thinking of something like a terminal server?   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:29:16 -0600 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> " Subject: Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles5 Message-ID: <slrndp8g5c.2rn.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   V In article <3vit0oF168r88U1@individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:F > The 2511 is a router.  Were you perhaps thinking of something like a > terminal server?  G It's got a NM slot for 8, 16, or 32 port async (serial) card -- to hook  up modems or terminals.   A Can be either DB-25 or RJ-45 ends, though I much prefer the RJ-45 ; solution and judicious use of RJ-45 to <whatever> adapters.   F It's a decent small 1U sized console server setup, and supports ssh toB the router/CS; from there, can then connect to a particular serial
 console line.   @ (Or you can set up reverse telnet, though that's not as secure.)   -Dan   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2005 13:48:24 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles, Message-ID: <3viup8F16bqucU1@individual.net>  5 In article <slrndp8g5c.2rn.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>, ( 	Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> writes:X > In article <3vit0oF168r88U1@individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:G >> The 2511 is a router.  Were you perhaps thinking of something like a  >> terminal server?  > I > It's got a NM slot for 8, 16, or 32 port async (serial) card -- to hook  > up modems or terminals.   I OK, I read the spec sheet  and it does do terminal services.  But at $895 F for the base unit, I would expect there are cheaper ways. :-)  Even at" Ebay they are going for over $300.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:55:35 -0500 , From: Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.invalid>" Subject: Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles. Message-ID: <dn1gsu$q25$2@stationair.kjsl.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:0 > In article <dn1bkb$q25$1@stationair.kjsl.com>,1 > 	Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.invalid> writes:  >> JF Mezei wrote:L >>> But with upcoming additions to my family, I have begun to look at how toJ >>> handle the console issues related to having different headless vaxes.  >>> G >>> On wintel crap, people buy the inevitable "KVM" switches and have a F >>> gazillion wintel boxes run in headless mode with just one having a+ >>> keyboard and video activated at a time.  >>> G >>> With VAXes, specifically the MVII, VAX 4000 200 and 600, will these G >>> beasts autoboot if there is nothing connected to the console port ?  >> Yes.  >>K >> But why don't you get a cheap Cisco 2511 on the used market, connect all H >> the consoles to it, and be done with it? Leave the sucker running all' >> the time, it doesn't use much power.  > F > The 2511 is a router.  Were you perhaps thinking of something like a > terminal server?  E The 2511 has sixteen asynch lines (it also has one Ethernet interface G and two synch interfaces, it can certainly act as a router, but in this & case, it'd just be a terminal server).   -jav   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:56:49 -0500 , From: Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.invalid>" Subject: Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles. Message-ID: <dn1gv8$q25$3@stationair.kjsl.com>   Dan Foster wrote: X > In article <3vit0oF168r88U1@individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:G >> The 2511 is a router.  Were you perhaps thinking of something like a  >> terminal server?  > I > It's got a NM slot for 8, 16, or 32 port async (serial) card -- to hook  > up modems or terminals.  > C > Can be either DB-25 or RJ-45 ends, though I much prefer the RJ-45 = > solution and judicious use of RJ-45 to <whatever> adapters.  > H > It's a decent small 1U sized console server setup, and supports ssh toD > the router/CS; from there, can then connect to a particular serial > console line.  > B > (Or you can set up reverse telnet, though that's not as secure.)  A You may be thinking about the 2611. The 2511 is fixed config, and F available either with two high density connectors to which you plug inH the octopus cables, or the 2511-RJ, which has sixteen RJ45 connectors on the chassis.   -jav   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:58:20 -0500 , From: Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.invalid>" Subject: Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles. Message-ID: <dn1h22$q25$4@stationair.kjsl.com>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:Y > In article <3vit0oF168r88U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: ` >> In article <dn1bkb$q25$1@stationair.kjsl.com>, Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.invalid> writes: >>> JF Mezei wrote: M >>>> But with upcoming additions to my family, I have begun to look at how to K >>>> handle the console issues related to having different headless vaxes.   >>>>H >>>> On wintel crap, people buy the inevitable "KVM" switches and have aG >>>> gazillion wintel boxes run in headless mode with just one having a , >>>> keyboard and video activated at a time. >>>>H >>>> With VAXes, specifically the MVII, VAX 4000 200 and 600, will theseH >>>> beasts autoboot if there is nothing connected to the console port ? >>> Yes. >>> L >>> But why don't you get a cheap Cisco 2511 on the used market, connect allI >>> the consoles to it, and be done with it? Leave the sucker running all ( >>> the time, it doesn't use much power.G >> The 2511 is a router.  Were you perhaps thinking of something like a  >> terminal server?  > K > Yup, he was. And the CISCO IOS is capable of this. All you need is serial J > lines. And the 2511 has a lot of them (16). And it might be cheaper thanI > a used DECserver 90M ;-) Other DECservers however may be sufficient too I > and are more "natural" to a DECcie. And they are cheaper, too. Go for a G > DECserver. You don't need TCPIP, JF, do you ? So even a DECserver 100 H > or a DECserver 200 or a DECserver 90L+ could do it (and they might payI > you to take the garbage away ;-). A DECserver 300 or 700 is cheap, too.   B But a DECserver 200, 300 or 700 will need a host to boot from. TheH aforementioned 2511 does not. I'm not sure about the DECserver 90 series though.    -jav   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2005 07:57:21 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles3 Message-ID: <7widml5Q3Rp+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <439410C7.810439E7@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes: J > But with upcoming additions to my family, I have begun to look at how toH > handle the console issues related to having different headless vaxes.  >   A    Maybe you need a cluster console?  Not that they were actually @    supported for MV II, but perhaps you could resurect the idea.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2005 15:26:15 +0100 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles, Message-ID: <43945c17$1@news.langstoeger.at>  ] In article <dn1h22$q25$4@stationair.kjsl.com>, Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.invalid> writes: C >But a DECserver 200, 300 or 700 will need a host to boot from. The I >aforementioned 2511 does not. I'm not sure about the DECserver 90 series  >though.  M The DECservers with a flash (like the 90M, 900TM, some 700 IIRC) also do not. J But these babies are still useful and therefore their price hasn't dropped= through the floor. The 2511 cost more than $300, the 90M too. I The 300 and 700 however are below $100 (w/o flash) and the 200 below $10.  You get what you pay for.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:07:39 +0000 ! From: Baldrick <none@[127.0.0.1]> " Subject: Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles' Message-ID: <dn1ok7$1ar$1@lore.csc.com>    Javier Henderson wrote:  ... D > But a DECserver 200, 300 or 700 will need a host to boot from. TheJ > aforementioned 2511 does not. I'm not sure about the DECserver 90 series	 > though.   J DECserver 700 has a slot, some have firmware flash cards installed in them  B I'm actually using a DS700 (16 port) as a 192.168.. host on my IP I network, and some ports set up for console connections, then I telnet to  G the server 192.168.x.y / port 2006 and that gives me the serial device  < on port 6, etc., after you have enabled the telnet listener.  I Not all terminal servers support IP, you can "reverse LAT" but that also  C implies you've a LAT client available. However, you could create a  G service on a LAT only server to each port, and CONNECT to that through  * the terminal server, similar to the above.  C Of course remember that without a console manager with those ports  , assigned to it, your consoles are wide open!   --  E Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. Car Park Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:21:07 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>" Subject: Re: Hobbyist VAX consoles. Message-ID: <439430B3.9395.1F53E3B8@localhost>  D > need a host to boot from [...] I'm not sure about the DECserver 90 > series though.    E The DECserver 90M can have internal flash, but not all do.  On eBay,  $ the flash models go for > $200 more.  @ The other 90-series models need a load host.  You can get a MOP A download server for Linux in addition to the built-in VMS ones...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2005 07:55:56 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?3 Message-ID: <Y30MmAQ5$pRn@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3vh628F160klqU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:   H > How do you get a horse in a 2CV?  Roll the top back and have the horse > stand on it's hind legs?  :-)   G    I thought a 2CV was based on the translation of "two horsepower"*.   "    Surely that can move one horse?  9 * but I always thought it really refered to two cylinders    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:41:01 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com ( Subject: Re: Moving VAX 4000s in a car ?- Message-ID: <87d5kbobcy.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   * bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  / > In article <874q5qp3m7.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,   > 	prep@prep.synonet.com writes:- >> bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >>  3 >>> In article <11osmeeu9n705f@corp.supernews.com>, . >>> 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >>>> JF Mezei wrote:N >>>>> Has anyone had experience moving some VAX 4000 style cabinets (BA430 and  >>>>> BA440 cabinets) in a car ? >>>>> E >>>>> Would one be able to fit 2 inside ? How about 3 such cabinets ?  >>>>> M >>>>> The SOC mentions the cabinent is 69cm high, 53cm wide * 45cm deep ( 27"  >>>>> * 21" * 17.8") >>>>> < >>>>> Or is a minivan something that is necessary for this ? >>>>  " >>>> How big of a car do you have? >>> ! >>> My guess would be a 2CV.  :-)  >>  Q >> You can get a horse in a 2CV, so a few vaxen boxen shouldn't be any problem...  > H > How do you get a horse in a 2CV?  Roll the top back and have the horse > stand on it's hind legs?  :-)   E Plus pull the boot lid and the rod it hinges on. Walk Trigger in from E rear, replace boot lid... Oh, taking the seats out is recomended. And  don't even THNK about roll!   > > We won't even go into wether or not the motor in a 2CV couldD > actually benerate enough horsepower (no pun intended!) to move the > weight of a horse or a VAX.   M Well, a Mehari, a 4 WD 2CV is the only wheeled vehicle to ever have completed 5 the French army's test track. That is 600cc though :|    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2005 07:46:20 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 0 Subject: Re: osCommerce or similar shopping cart3 Message-ID: <1IFM5$Dd6D2R@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <dmp7tg$bs6$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes:  > D > Well, yes, clearly. But installing on sys$common:[gnv...] with no K > options offered - last I heard having an ODS5 system disk was a bad idea.   E    You are out of date.  ODS-5 system disks have been fully supported C    for some time now.  I don't have the SPD's handy to recall which     version it was blessed in.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2005 06:42:23 -0800  From: johnbooth@tinyworld.co.uk + Subject: Pathworks network printing problem C Message-ID: <1133793743.176516.225310@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   0 Hi, looking for a little help if it's out there.  G Running OpenVMS 7..2-1 with Pathworks v5 , currently have three network D printers, HP Laserjets, on VMS print queues available to network pcsG using Pathworks.  Just attached a new printer, an HP Colour Jet, set up F a queue using its tcpip address, can ping it ok, but attempts to printD appear on the queue then disappear.  Nothing arrives at the printer.   Am I missing something obvious?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:09:55 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> Subject: Re: Simh Netwoking > Message-ID: <7LYkf.139150$Es4.48237@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Martin Vorlaender wrote:/ > "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote...  >  >>Martin Vorlaender wrote: >>C >>>When run under Linux, and doing some magic with tun/tap devices, B >>>I had simh's VMS connected to an X server running on one of theE >>>virtual terminals, displaying the DECwindows login screen and all.  >># >>This works under Windows as well.  >  > % > Which tun/tap driver does that use? I > Googling only turned up OpenVPN for me that might include such a beast.   E Specifically I use the version installed by colinux which identifies  * itself as "TAP-Win32 Adapter V8 (coLinux)"  D This is part of the OpenVPN distribution. I note in the OpenVPN faq G there is a note of a problem with OpenVPN 1.6 and Windows XP SP2. This   is fixed in the latest version.    ==== http://openvpn.net/faq.html E I've installed/upgraded OpenVPN 1.6.0 on XP SP2 and I can't find the  J TAP-Win32 adapter icon in the network connnections panel. What's the deal?  B On Windows XP SP2, the TAP-Win32 adapter icon is missing from the L network connections control panel. A workaround is available in OpenVPN 2.0.  I This issue occurs because of a bug in XP SP2 which causes device drivers  H having HWIDs of 3 characters to fail to export network adapter icons to  the network connections panel.  G The workaround was to change the HWID of TAP-Win32 adapters from "TAP"  
 to "TAP0801".  =====    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:28:17 +0100- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> E Subject: Simh Netwoking (was: Decent alpha system for OpenVMS newbie) , Message-ID: <3vj141F16bkfuU1@individual.net>  - "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote...  > Martin Vorlaender wrote:D > > When run under Linux, and doing some magic with tun/tap devices,C > > I had simh's VMS connected to an X server running on one of the F > > virtual terminals, displaying the DECwindows login screen and all. > # > This works under Windows as well.   # Which tun/tap driver does that use? G Googling only turned up OpenVPN for me that might include such a beast.    cu,    Martin --  ;                      | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules! . Microsoft's answer   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deA to OpenVMS is        |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 5 Windows NT 10.0.     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2005 07:45:12 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 8 Subject: Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?3 Message-ID: <Y6QGPrwejtpg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   > In article <tN9kf.229$0u6.205@fe06.lga>, Z <Z@no.spam> writes: > H > "Being lazy?!" Speaking from my experience, on VMS, changing even one J > bit (IIRC: $ASSIGN, $QIO, getmode, setmode) is a damn chore compared to = > ease of using ioctl() or being lazy and using SET TERMINAL.   F    From my experience, using ioctl is the best way to find out what is%    not portable between various UNIX.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2005 07:43:55 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 8 Subject: Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?3 Message-ID: <LJiGI5oShbAk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <dmqcih$2bq$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, JONESD@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) writes:  > W > In the case of "set term/wrap", that command changes the permanent characteristics of O > the terminal, which is very presumptuous of an application.  Using QIOW calls I > with IO$_SETMODE make a temporary change that will reset on image exit.  >   E    Not quite so permanent.  It will survive program completion, which B    is poor style.  it will not survive logout since it doesn't use'    the privileged qualifier /permanent.   B    On Linux, as on most UNIX, the terminal settings default to the<    equivalent of /nowrap, so the call probably isn't needed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:59:41 -0700  From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>  Subject: Re: Time problem & Message-ID: <439471FD.5080207@srv.net>   John Santos wrote:  6 > Excessive interrupts causing it to miss clock ticks? > - > Check "MON MODES" for large interrupt time.  >  > 7 > I've seen similar many years ago (possibly on PDP-11) " > due to a chattering serial port. >   3 MON MODES shows 100% idle time, 0% everything else.   Q ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:11:56 -0700  From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>  Subject: Re: Time problem & Message-ID: <439474DC.8090409@srv.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > AEF wrote: > F >>The hack theory seemed good to me at first, but lacks a good motive, >>maybe. >  > F > I used "hack" not in a hacker type, but rather as a way to mean thatG > someone did something to cause thsi to happen. Consider that the time J > change happened not that long ago, and the "hack" to slow down the clockI > is something that has been used in the past furing the "fall back" time - > change. What if the time change got stuck ?  >  > A >>Interrupt stack high? I doubt that can cause the time to run at 
 >>half-speed.  >  >  > I > When I experienced odd clock behaviour due to CMU starting and stopping H > regularly, the clock wasn't precisely at half speed and it didn't seem' > to be a consistant time offset/error.  > E > If this user reports a consistant clock speed of exactly 1/2 normal I > speed over long periods of time, I find it a bit harder to believe that C > it would be the machine spending the exact same amount of time in . > whatever mode causes it to miss clock beats.  C I can monitor it to a fairly low level (show time, wait 10 seconds, ' show time again), and see it occurring.   A I'm currently going with the theory that something has screwed up = the clock interrupt interval. I'm still trying to do a reboot A (bad timing/modem problems to get it done this weekend), but will  try again tonight.  H  > You could SET TIME and then SET TIME="+00:30:00" to set it 30 minutesH  > early so that an hour later, the clock would only be 30 minutes late.  D Or just run the batch file more frequently. Wouldn't setting it that> way also cause the next "set time" to be advanced a half hour?  F I'm mostly just intrested in keeping the time roughly correct, so thatD the date is right. The time is not that critical, as long as nightlyB queues run sometime during the night, and not in the middle of the
 afternoon.  Q ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:18:44 -0700  From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>  Subject: Re: Time problem & Message-ID: <43947674.7000109@srv.net>   FredK wrote:2 > "Joe Bloggs" <JBloggs@acme.com> wrote in message4 > news:k6o0p1dd9ifbgp77vk2risk6lkreoletom@4ax.com... > F >>On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:19:42 -0700, Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> wrote: >> >>A >>>I just set the time correctly, and after 1/2 hour it is off by A >>>5 minutes. Doing a bare "set time" seems to reset the clock to  >>>the correct time. >> > I > What type of hardware is this, and what type of options are on the bus.  >  > # DS10, with two SCSI adapters, iirc. = One for the internal disks/tape, one for external disks/tape. < I think that the external disks and tape (TZ30) are all gone8 now. They were needed for the original conversion from a2 MicroVax 3100, so one SCSI is probably now unused.  7 MON MODES does not show any large number of interrupts, 4 just 100% idle time, so I don't think the extra SCSI controller is going nuts.   Q ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:18:57 -0700  From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>  Subject: Re: Time problem 8 Message-ID: <1133802802_68385@spool6-east.superfeed.net>   FredK wrote:2 > "Joe Bloggs" <JBloggs@acme.com> wrote in message4 > news:k6o0p1dd9ifbgp77vk2risk6lkreoletom@4ax.com... > F >>On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:19:42 -0700, Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> wrote: >> >>A >>>I just set the time correctly, and after 1/2 hour it is off by A >>>5 minutes. Doing a bare "set time" seems to reset the clock to  >>>the correct time. >> > I > What type of hardware is this, and what type of options are on the bus.  >  > # DS10, with two SCSI adapters, iirc. = One for the internal disks/tape, one for external disks/tape. < I think that the external disks and tape (TZ30) are all gone8 now. They were needed for the original conversion from a2 MicroVax 3100, so one SCSI is probably now unused.  7 MON MODES does not show any large number of interrupts, 4 just 100% idle time, so I don't think the extra SCSI controller is going nuts.   Q ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:54:01 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: Time problem . Message-ID: <d10lf.54$0G5.51@news.cpqcorp.net>  Z In article <1133471661_50721@spool6-east.superfeed.net>, Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> writes:' :A customer has a DS10 running VMS 7.2.  : ? :I set the date (i.e. "set time=30-nov-2005:13:12", "set time") ' :and everything is fine for the moment.  : ? :I come back a day or so later, and the date/time is incorrect. 2 :I set the time yesterday, today it is reported as" :30-NOV-2005 14:30:55 (at 1:16PM).  D   So the AlphaServer DS10 OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 system is gaining time?  I   I will assume this is as determined by SHOW TIME and SET TIME commands, F   specifically.  Not via time output from other tools or applications.  D   I will further assume the system is NOT running NTP nor DTSS; thatF   it is not attempting to synchronize the system time with an external   time base.  C   This looks like a processor hardware problem, a BB_WATCH clock or C   clock battery problem, or -- comparatively rather unlikely, given F   your successful use of the SET TIME command -- something wrong with    the external time provider.    	--   G   Too many clock interrupts -- gained time -- is comparatively unusual.    	--   F   I would definitely look at an upgrade, as V7.2 has long since exitedF   even Prior Version Support (PVS) status.  V7.3-2 -- which itself is F   expected to enter PVS with the release of V8.3 -- is seeing ECOs andF   other remediation, and it has a far newer code-base for its time and   timekeeping support.   	--   D   Do note that SET TIME -- without parameters -- reads the time backC   in from the external clock.  (See the FAQ for details on time and 9   timekeeping on OpenVMS, and on the BB_WATCH mechanism.)    	--   E   I would contact your hardware services vendor, and have them take a    look at this system.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 02:19:34 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: V8.3 teaser0 Message-ID: <11p7qdkkbgkhrdf@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Guy Peleg wrote: > E >>n seconds. Also as suggested by JF, I will probably add a mechanism B >>to request BACKUP to send CTRL-T style information to the OPCOM. >  > G > Great stuff ! Do I get a % of total VMS profits because of this ? :-)  > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)   8 Do you want to be in debt?  (more smilies that you used)   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:01:13 -0500, From: Carl Friedberg <frida.fried@gmail.com> Subject: Re: V8.3 teaserI Message-ID: <890539d90512050501i310a4b9es25e3e7829bb21600@mail.gmail.com>    Guy,8 I would not want /PROGRESS to write to OPCOM by default.  : Perhaps another option/switch/logical is needed to control7  (if /PROGRESS is in effect) whether or not BACKUP will ) send those progress ^T messages to OPCOM.   - When Backup runs in batch mode, the /PROGRESS 2 switch should not write terminal format characters into the batch log   Thanks,    Carl Friedberg frida.fried@gmail.com   ; On 12/5/05, Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@remove_this_header> wrote:  > = >,,, Also as suggested by JF, I will probably add a mechanism B > to request BACKUP to send CTRL-T style information to the OPCOM.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:15:44 +02007 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com>  Subject: Re: V8.3 teaser* Message-ID: <43943d83@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  9 "Carl Friedberg" <frida.fried@gmail.com> wrote in message C news:890539d90512050501i310a4b9es25e3e7829bb21600@mail.gmail.com...  Guy,8 I would not want /PROGRESS to write to OPCOM by default.  : Perhaps another option/switch/logical is needed to control7  (if /PROGRESS is in effect) whether or not BACKUP will ) send those progress ^T messages to OPCOM.   - When Backup runs in batch mode, the /PROGRESS 2 switch should not write terminal format characters into the batch log   Thanks,    Carl Friedberg frida.fried@gmail.com   ; On 12/5/05, Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@remove_this_header> wrote:  > = >,,, Also as suggested by JF, I will probably add a mechanism B > to request BACKUP to send CTRL-T style information to the OPCOM.  6 Writing to OPCOM will NOT be a defult....I fully agree   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2005 07:48:40 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: V8.3 teaser3 Message-ID: <SiaAcT5OQedN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <438ea098@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com> writes:  / >  15.04MB restored out of 1.18GB, 1% completed   D    Does this work with a tape save set?  Where is the 1.18GB stored?   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2005 07:10:14 -0800 % From: "Safir" <axica_nopub@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: V8.3 teaserB Message-ID: <1133795414.838802.58400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  H > Damn, JF beat me to the progress bar, but someone should tell him that  > not everybody uses DECwindows. >    Right :    $ mc backup$manager    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:28:56 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: V8.3 teaser- Message-ID: <87lkyzobx3.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   9 "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com> writes:   2 > If you are not using BACKUP stop reading now....  < > (if you stopped reading your boss should know about it ;-)   8-)   > > If you ever used BACKUP you must have hit CTRL-T to watch itA > progress, and you probably saw output similar to the following:   K > IPL31::_VTAT3: 08:54:45 BACKUP    CPU=00:00:02.64 PF=1588 IO=5024 MEM=466 L >  Restoring file: DKA100:[DWMOTIF_SUPPORT_I64XB2U.KIT]HP-.PCSI$COMPRESSED;1: >  Saveset volume:1, saveset block:164 (32256 byte blocks)  E > Okay, how many people think that 164 blocks each 32256 is readable? $ > (if you do stop reading now....;-)    For a small value of readable...  A > For V8.3 I slightly updated the message...here is the result, a ' > picture is worth a thousand words....   K > IPL31::_VTAT3: 07:53:25 BACKUP    CPU=00:00:02.34 PF=1406 IO=3537 MEM=477 L >  Restoring file: DKA100:[DWMOTIF_SUPPORT_I64XB2U.KIT]HP-.PCSI$COMPRESSED;1: >  Saveset volume:1, saveset block:489 (32256 byte blocks)/ >  15.04MB restored out of 1.18GB, 1% completed B >  Restore rate: 960KB/sec, estimated completion time: 08:14:42.74  M Nice! All the goodness of the old one plus extra. How do you know how big the  restore is if it is on tape?  B > (If you would like to be added to the V8.3 field test [Feb 2006]E > send me mail, and I'll connect you to the appropriate people within  > HP).  D I also have a BACKUP/ENCRYPT crash case if they want to take a look.I Repeatable. Still have to double check that it crashes with all the 7.3-1  patches in though.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:29:56 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: V8.3 teaser- Message-ID: <87hd9nobvf.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   9 "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com> writes:   7 > "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote in message ( > news:438ef3c5$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com...K >> Cool.  Here's another 1+ for it...  add a new switch like /PROGRESS=m.ss D >> which fires off a repeating timer that fires every m (minutes).ss > (seconds) L >> and clears the top 5 lines of the terminal, puts the cursor to the top of >> the screen and fakes a ^T.  >> >> ;-) > 3 > Careful what you wish for it may come true....;-)   + Don't forget the save and restore cursor :)    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:24:26 -0500 From: "Jilly" <jilly@hp.com>; Subject: Re: values for vcc_ptes and show/mem/cache/full??? , Message-ID: <439477cb$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  L Locate the article titled [OpenVMS] Virtual I/O Cache Improves Virtual Read M Performance and you'll see that VCC_PTES is the number of page table entries  M that VMS will try to use for describing the VIOC.  VCC_PTES is only an upper  I bound for VIOC, the current size of the VIOC will be dependent on actual   usage of the VIOC   3 "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> wrote in message  ; news:1133558246.393822.5630@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... F > When I don't get a response I figure the q wasn't very clear, or ... > @ > What is the unit of measure for the sysgen parameter vcc_ptes? >    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2005 03:59:30 -0800 # From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> 2 Subject: Was the LN17 a DEC-branded Xerox printer?B Message-ID: <1133783970.525149.24540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  C If so, do you know which Xerox-branded printer it was derived from?    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2005 04:46:10 -0800 # From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> 6 Subject: Re: Was the LN17 a DEC-branded Xerox printer?C Message-ID: <1133786770.647433.188690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   D Thanks, Elliott. Using Google I had found the two mentioned together% and suspected that this was the case.    Galen    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.677 ************************