1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 07 Dec 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 681       Contents: Re: Appletalk on VMS 7.3-2% DS10L hardware configuration question ) Re: DS10L hardware configuration question ) Re: DS10L hardware configuration question ) Re: DS10L hardware configuration question ) Re: DS10L hardware configuration question ) Re: DS10L hardware configuration question ) Re: DS10L hardware configuration question ) Re: DS10L hardware configuration question ) Re: DS10L hardware configuration question  Re: For Sale: 32CPU GS320  Re: For Sale: 32CPU GS320 D Re: How to convert bound volume set to single drive while preservingP Re: How to convert bound volume set to single drive while preserving links links. Re: Interfacing to an AS400 from Alpha Cluster. Re: Interfacing to an AS400 from Alpha Cluster. Re: Interfacing to an AS400 from Alpha Cluster& OpenVMS/TCPware Upgrade Results (good) Pyhon perfomance?  Re: Pyhon perfomance?  Re: Pyhon perfomance? 9 Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance? = Re: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance? = Re: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance? = RE: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance? = Re: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance? = Re: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance? / Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?  Re: Time problem' using CDD plus on a write locked device + Re: using CDD plus on a write locked device + Re: using CDD plus on a write locked device   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:49:04 +0000 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam># Subject: Re: Appletalk on VMS 7.3-2 4 Message-ID: <dn6sp0$d9d$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   Ed Wilts wrote: 	 >I wrote: O >>We don't make much use of it here anymore, but we've had no problems on Alpha  >>7.3-1, current patches. G I was mistaken when I said that - we have a critical application which  ) still uses the atk$dsp* & atk$nbp* calls.   F > It worked fine for us before some of the 7.3-2 patches were applied. > ? > Any issues in AppleTalk need to be fixed by the maintainer of = > AppleTalk.  Unfortunately, there is no active maintainer...   3 Did you get any further with this issue from July ? C Did you identify the problem patch, or find a workaround, or what ?   G I'd like to move up to a supported version, but I really don't want to   break appletalk.   Thanks Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:23:42 -0600 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> . Subject: DS10L hardware configuration question5 Message-ID: <slrndpds3e.2rn.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   : I don't need video, as I only use ssh or a serial console.   I'm wondering if I could:   I 	- Replace the internal CDROM drive with a second 3.5" LP (1") hard drive 1 	- Install a SCSI controller in the only PCI slot ; 	- Wire up two internal SCSI hard drives to SCSI controller  		*AND* > 	- Wire up an external SCSI CDROM drive to the SCSI controller  G Or does the SCSI controller only support either internal OR external at  any given time, but not both?   F I'd find the DS10L attractive as a EV67 compile host, which is why I'mA considering it. IDE drives wouldn't be bad per se, but I hear the D performance is atrocious by a large margin compared to SCSI. I'm notE sure this would be a show-stopper because I'd use it as a single user ? workstation with non-demanding loads other than some CPU usage.   A If I went the SCSI route, I'd want to do volume shadowing because H existing SCSI drives of that capacity are often about to fail due to ageG and wear-and-tear. So that says two hard drive... and I'd rather have a F CDROM drive for emergencies, as I may not always have a MOP load host.  H So I'm trying to figure out how to accommodate both 2x HDs and 1x CDROM.   Any suggestions?  G Also, what is the largest capacity IDE hard drive that the built-in IDE > controller can recognize and deal with properly? 132 GB or so?   -Dan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:44:33 GMT / From: Clay M. Denton <denton@orison.dsserv.com> 2 Subject: Re: DS10L hardware configuration question8 Message-ID: <gl0ep11e7b8uq23cfje82oqlqq45ak2but@4ax.com>  U What you're describing will work fine - as long as your external SCSI cable is fairly  short.  F Internal IDE can see 137GB (marketing GB) - best bet is a 120GB drive.  Y You could also run all of your SCSI drives external, and have an IDE drive or 2 internal.    Clay  J On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:23:42 -0600, Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> wrote:  ; >I don't need video, as I only use ssh or a serial console.  >  >I'm wondering if I could: > J >	- Replace the internal CDROM drive with a second 3.5" LP (1") hard drive2 >	- Install a SCSI controller in the only PCI slot< >	- Wire up two internal SCSI hard drives to SCSI controller >		*AND*? >	- Wire up an external SCSI CDROM drive to the SCSI controller  > H >Or does the SCSI controller only support either internal OR external at >any given time, but not both? > G >I'd find the DS10L attractive as a EV67 compile host, which is why I'm B >considering it. IDE drives wouldn't be bad per se, but I hear theE >performance is atrocious by a large margin compared to SCSI. I'm not F >sure this would be a show-stopper because I'd use it as a single user@ >workstation with non-demanding loads other than some CPU usage. > B >If I went the SCSI route, I'd want to do volume shadowing becauseI >existing SCSI drives of that capacity are often about to fail due to age H >and wear-and-tear. So that says two hard drive... and I'd rather have aG >CDROM drive for emergencies, as I may not always have a MOP load host.  > I >So I'm trying to figure out how to accommodate both 2x HDs and 1x CDROM.  >  >Any suggestions?  > H >Also, what is the largest capacity IDE hard drive that the built-in IDE? >controller can recognize and deal with properly? 132 GB or so?  >  >-Dan    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:00:05 -0500C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> 2 Subject: Re: DS10L hardware configuration question: Message-ID: <WyDlf.60874$Y82.10152@bignews4.bellsouth.net>  & We sell these DS10L systems by the way  2 Lot of luck using the U160 Dual Channel Controller+ Uses up the PCI slot though, so no Graphics C if you are using anything bigger than a 36GB SCSI Disk, go external 7 The U160 controller has much longer cable restrictions. J We sell a table top box for up to 5 hard mounted drives with external U160
 scsi cableE and terminator for less than $300 + mounting hardware ($15 per drive)    David        --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   2 "Dan Foster" <usenet@evilphb.org> wrote in message/ news:slrndpds3e.2rn.usenet@zappy.catbert.org... < > I don't need video, as I only use ssh or a serial console. >  > I'm wondering if I could:  > J > - Replace the internal CDROM drive with a second 3.5" LP (1") hard drive2 > - Install a SCSI controller in the only PCI slot< > - Wire up two internal SCSI hard drives to SCSI controller > *AND* ? > - Wire up an external SCSI CDROM drive to the SCSI controller  > I > Or does the SCSI controller only support either internal OR external at  > any given time, but not both?  > H > I'd find the DS10L attractive as a EV67 compile host, which is why I'mC > considering it. IDE drives wouldn't be bad per se, but I hear the F > performance is atrocious by a large margin compared to SCSI. I'm notG > sure this would be a show-stopper because I'd use it as a single user A > workstation with non-demanding loads other than some CPU usage.  > C > If I went the SCSI route, I'd want to do volume shadowing because J > existing SCSI drives of that capacity are often about to fail due to ageI > and wear-and-tear. So that says two hard drive... and I'd rather have a H > CDROM drive for emergencies, as I may not always have a MOP load host. > J > So I'm trying to figure out how to accommodate both 2x HDs and 1x CDROM. >  > Any suggestions? > I > Also, what is the largest capacity IDE hard drive that the built-in IDE @ > controller can recognize and deal with properly? 132 GB or so? >  > -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:18:55 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>2 Subject: Re: DS10L hardware configuration question. Message-ID: <4396C51F.21476.1013074@localhost>  ( On 7 Dec 2005 at 8:23, Dan Foster wrote:E > Also, what is the largest capacity IDE hard drive that the built-in D > IDE controller can recognize and deal with properly? 132 GB or so?  E DQDRIVER (the IDE device driver) in VMS can only access 137 GB on an  D IDE disk.  I have a DPW 500au with a 200 GB drive, but it INIT's it 
 to 137 GB.  A I've complained to HP about that, but there doesn't seem to be a  @ compelling "business reason" (customers with $$$) to modify the B driver.  I keep thinking that a few days with the source would do  it...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:34:54 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> 2 Subject: Re: DS10L hardware configuration questionA Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051207093404.0243c4b8@raptor.psccos.com>   / At 09:18 AM 12/7/2005, Stanley F. Quayle wrote: ) >On 7 Dec 2005 at 8:23, Dan Foster wrote: G > > Also, what is the largest capacity IDE hard drive that the built-in F > > IDE controller can recognize and deal with properly? 132 GB or so? > E >DQDRIVER (the IDE device driver) in VMS can only access 137 GB on an D >IDE disk.  I have a DPW 500au with a 200 GB drive, but it INIT's it >to 137 GB.   L I thought IDE wasn't supported for anything other than CDROM on the PWS.  I C have a PWS600au and would love to run a (cheap) IDE on it.  What's   performance like?    ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:42:03 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>2 Subject: Re: DS10L hardware configuration question2 Message-ID: <dn73cr$e83$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  > "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote in message ( news:4396C51F.21476.1013074@localhost...  B > I've complained to HP about that, but there doesn't seem to be aA > compelling "business reason" (customers with $$$) to modify the C > driver.  I keep thinking that a few days with the source would do  > it...   D Possibly, if there is firmware support on the controller. The source is on the freeware CD...     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:56:28 -0600 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> 2 Subject: Re: DS10L hardware configuration question5 Message-ID: <slrndpe51s.2rn.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   \ In article <dn73cr$e83$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>, Richard Brodie <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote: > @ > "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote in message * > news:4396C51F.21476.1013074@localhost... > C >> I've complained to HP about that, but there doesn't seem to be a B >> compelling "business reason" (customers with $$$) to modify theD >> driver.  I keep thinking that a few days with the source would do >> it... > F > Possibly, if there is firmware support on the controller. The source > is on the freeware CD...      Probably where the rub lies. :-)  E I understand that it's a firmware limitation due to an older ATA (aka D IDE) standard specification relating to number of bits for a certain2 field that relates to directly addressable blocks.  @ LBA-48 support that was the big limiting factor, I think it was?  H (48 bits for logically-addressed block addressing modes; that translatesG to 2^48 512-byte blocks, 2^47 KBytes, or 140 million bytes -- 137 GB in  drive manufacturer parlance.)   H It's not too shabby to use ~120 GB, though. :-) I grew up on VMS systems2 that had 1, 2, or the heavenly 'large' 4 GB disks.   -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:22:51 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>2 Subject: Re: DS10L hardware configuration question. Message-ID: <4396D41B.25808.13BB70D@localhost>  * On 7 Dec 2005 at 9:34, Dan O'Reilly wrote:E > I thought IDE wasn't supported for anything other than CDROM on the E > PWS.  I have a PWS600au and would love to run a (cheap) IDE on it.   > What's performance like?  F My PWS500au is jam-packed, with 2 IDE drives and 2 SCSI, plus the CD, : etc.  One IDE drive is 40 GB, the other formats at 137 GB  (268.435,455 blocks).   A As for performance, I don't have data -- I don't really have any  8 particular expectations on the drives, mostly just data.  D The boot disk and other data disk are SCSI.  Not all PWS's can boot E IDE -- it depends on the IDE device interface.  There's a section in   the FAQ, I believe.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:20:21 -0500C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> 2 Subject: Re: DS10L hardware configuration question9 Message-ID: <7KElf.45722$i7.19591@bignews2.bellsouth.net>     IDE is supported as bootable on:   Alpha PWS <Miata GL> XP1000 DS10 DS10L  DS20e  ES40 etc on VMS 7.1-2 onward  * And others that I can't currently think ofI The whole deal was that NASTY CMD Quasi-IDE controller - only ever worked  with NT as a boot deviceI and even then just after setup you had to load a "special"IDE driver from  CMD      DT     --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   2 "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message; news:6.1.2.0.2.20051207093404.0243c4b8@raptor.psccos.com... 1 > At 09:18 AM 12/7/2005, Stanley F. Quayle wrote: + > >On 7 Dec 2005 at 8:23, Dan Foster wrote: I > > > Also, what is the largest capacity IDE hard drive that the built-in H > > > IDE controller can recognize and deal with properly? 132 GB or so? > > G > >DQDRIVER (the IDE device driver) in VMS can only access 137 GB on an F > >IDE disk.  I have a DPW 500au with a 200 GB drive, but it INIT's it
 > >to 137 GB.  > J > I thought IDE wasn't supported for anything other than CDROM on the PWS. I D > have a PWS600au and would love to run a (cheap) IDE on it.  What's > performance like?  >  > ------L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+L > | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |L > | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |L > | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |L > | http://www.process.com        |                                        |L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:31:05 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> " Subject: Re: For Sale: 32CPU GS320( Message-ID: <ops1e6p3qrzgicya@hyrrokkin>   Why are you selling it?   ) On 07 Dec 2005 04:50:14 GMT, Guy Coates   . <gmpc@sanger.ac-dot-uk.no-spam.invalid> wrote:   > Hi,  > " > We have a 32 CPU GS320 for sale. >  > Specs: > 32x 1.0 Ghz EV68 CPUs  > 192GB of memory. > 14x 36G internal scsi disks  > 4x fibre-channel cards.  > 6 > The machine  has a full maintainance record from HP. > < > We are open to any reasonable offers, but you will have to) > arrange your own  shipping from the UK.  > 	 > Cheers,  >  > Guy  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:56:51 -0500C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> " Subject: Re: For Sale: 32CPU GS320: Message-ID: <WvDlf.60872$Y82.22639@bignews4.bellsouth.net>   They were using Tru64    Enough said?   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message" news:ops1e6p3qrzgicya@hyrrokkin... > Why are you selling it?  > ) > On 07 Dec 2005 04:50:14 GMT, Guy Coates 0 > <gmpc@sanger.ac-dot-uk.no-spam.invalid> wrote: >  > > Hi,  > > $ > > We have a 32 CPU GS320 for sale. > > 
 > > Specs: > > 32x 1.0 Ghz EV68 CPUs  > > 192GB of memory. > > 14x 36G internal scsi disks  > > 4x fibre-channel cards.  > > 8 > > The machine  has a full maintainance record from HP. > > > > > We are open to any reasonable offers, but you will have to+ > > arrange your own  shipping from the UK.  > >  > > Cheers,  > >  > > Guy  > >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:57:28 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.comM Subject: Re: How to convert bound volume set to single drive while preserving Q Message-ID: <OFB5E060B9.6B98DC5E-ON852570CF.00783DC7-852570CF.00789E56@metso.com>   ? "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote on 12/06/2005 03:38:12 PM:    >  > R Boyd wrote: D > > The workaround that seems most direct for this problem is to use > > ' > > $ DFU DIRECTORY/ALIAS <device_name>  > > I > > to generate a list of aliased files on the input volume set.  Then do  > > the following: > > . > > $ backup <input_volume_set>:[000000]*.dir;- > > <single_drive>:[000000]/by_owner=ORIGINAL  > I > Try adding /NOALIAS to the above command as someone else in this thread H > suggested. That should eliminate the multiple copies. (I haven't triedF > it.) You'll still have to manually reconstruct the aliases with your > DFU alias list.  > + > > $ backup <input_volume_set>:[*...]*.*;* + > > <single_drive>:[*...]/by_owner=ORIGINAL  > > K > > Then for each aliased file delete all but one of the copies and perform I > > the appropriate SET FILE/ENTER commands to re-create the structure of  > > the input volume.  > > K > > I suppose that it would actually be fairly doable to make a DCL or PERL   > > script to do this last part. >   " Do these files have ACE's on them?   If not, I would think:  H Backup Restore the directory tree, then build a procedure to use CONVERTD from the source to the target for each file with extents on multipleG spindles.  I do not think any extant command will automagically do what  you require.  8 (If you can build a generic procedure, please share it.)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:24:12 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.comY Subject: Re: How to convert bound volume set to single drive while preserving links links Q Message-ID: <OF2170DF0E.6B41C56C-ON852570CF.00805A14-852570CF.00808F4A@metso.com>   H JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote on 12/06/2005 05:57:26 PM:   >  > I > Consider that in a /IMAGE operation, the contents of the .DIR files are F > considered "data".  So even if it could restore your .DIR files ontoI > your new single-disk volume, the contents of the .DIR files would still J > have  pointers to file-IDs of the multi-disk volume and all the files in4 > the directory would point to non existant fil-IDs. >  > C > So in this case, it isn't just a question of recreating the files J > properly, but also updating the contents of  directory files to point to > the new file IDs.  >  >  > G > Perhaps one way to do this is to create a list that contains the full D > file spec of the alias, and the full file spec of the actual file. >  > eg:  > : > [SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR;1 points to [000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR;1 > G > Then, you can backup /IMAGE/NOALIAS and restore /NOIMAGE.  It changes E > all your fileIDs, but you can then use the list to recreate all the I > alias entries  (which your restore operation would have fully omitted).  >  >  > G > So the question now becomes: what is the best way to create a list of 7 > alias file entries and the actual file they point to.  > C > What comes to mind is writing a utility that scans the whole disk E > (equivalent of F$SEARCH("DISK:[000000...]*.*;*"), and for each file F > found, it takes the file ID, looks it up in INDEXF.SYS to see if the > file name matches. > H > for instance, when you get to [SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR, when you lookup itsH > file ID in indexf.sys, you'll find VMS$COMMON.DIR as file name, so youI > know SYSCOMMON.DIR is an alias. The remaining tricks is to get the full  > file spec of VMS$COMMON.DIR.  D No one said it was a system disk.  If it is, the problem is way moreF complex ISTM than if it is not.  I still think you need to use CONVERTE on files that span the spindles of the volume-set to move them to the , target.  That could take a while, of course.   > + > You can find the layout of INDEXF.SYS at:  >  > L http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Files-11#Physical_layout:_the_On-Disk_Structure   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:58:16 GMT $ From: "Labhras" <labhras@nowhere.pl>7 Subject: Re: Interfacing to an AS400 from Alpha Cluster 9 Message-ID: <IwElf.129$kW.105@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>    > C >  An IBM AS/400, rather than an AlphaServer 400 or some other box,  >  I will assume.  > * >  The connection is via IP, most usually. > E >  I tend to prefer to use XML to transfer the data itself, but there C >  are any number of ways to either access the data remotely, or to C >  export and import it, or to transfer it as a text format, or via  >  XML, or via http, or via... >   J Yes it is a Alphaserver cluster made of a couple of DS20s. Is XML part of 2 the product distribution or a third party product?   Thanks   John     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:21:42 GMT $ From: "Labhras" <labhras@nowhere.pl>7 Subject: Re: Interfacing to an AS400 from Alpha Cluster < Message-ID: <WKFlf.3577$nA2.1579@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>  K > Yes it is a Alphaserver cluster made of a couple of DS20s. Is XML part of 5 >> the product distribution or a third party product?  >>K > Do you mean , No it is not an IBM AS400 and yes it is an Alpha sever 400? 1 > Is it so difficult to articulate your question?   - Alphaserver DS20 cluster config and IBM AS400    sorry for the confusion.   John     ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:43:35 -0500- From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> 7 Subject: Re: Interfacing to an AS400 from Alpha Cluster I Message-ID: <8660a3a10512071043v2d4e7cb3m7132cb0a9b86aba4@mail.gmail.com>   / On 12/6/05, Labhras <labhras@nowhere.pl> wrote: K > Anyone have some pointers on how to grab data from an AS400 to an OpenVMS  > cluster system?  > 2 > Is there a version of ODBC that will run on VMS? >  > John >  >  >   A There once was a 2780/3780 protocol emulator software product and C there was also some sort of SNA gateway product, but I have no idea   whether they still exist or not.   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:20:36 -0500) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> / Subject: OpenVMS/TCPware Upgrade Results (good) 9 Message-ID: <bsAlf.2140$PX2.235593@news20.bellglobal.com>   K I've got a two-CPU AlphaServer-DS20e with 2 GB installed and average about  D 75 concurrent users between 8-17. Last Sunday night I performed the , following upgrades without telling my users:  E OS: from OpenVMS-7.3-1 to OpenVMS-7.3-2 (then installed 732-UPDATE-5) % Stack: TCPware-5.6-2 to TCPware-5.7-1    Nothing else was changed.   G On Monday morning many people were commenting on how snappy the system  K seemed. Some were even asking if the interactive work load had dropped due  I to winter vacations or something. Watching the system via "$mon sys" and  H "$mon clu" reveals that the system seems to be idle most of the time. I I don't want to mislead anyone into thinking that the apparent speedup was  I anything like doubling our memory last month, but it was still something  H that our users noticed. I can hardly wait to install OpenVMS-8.2 (or 3).  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2005 09:22:22 -0800 # From: "RLFitch" <rlfitch@gmail.com>  Subject: Pyhon perfomance?C Message-ID: <1133976142.547213.152440@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   F After installing Python I ran some of the tests and Python seemed VERYF SLOW.  For instance: running "test_time.py" takes 4.5 - 5.3 seconds (8 tests with 1 failure).  D Any ideas on what I should expect?  Running on OVMS Hobbyist OpenVMS! V7.3-1, AlphaServer 1000A 5/333.     Thanks,  Ransom Fitch   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2005 09:56:53 -0800 ' From: "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au>  Subject: Re: Pyhon perfomance?C Message-ID: <1133978213.621517.188600@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    RLFitch wrote:H > After installing Python I ran some of the tests and Python seemed VERYH > SLOW.  For instance: running "test_time.py" takes 4.5 - 5.3 seconds (8 > tests with 1 failure). > F > Any ideas on what I should expect?  Running on OVMS Hobbyist OpenVMS" > V7.3-1, AlphaServer 1000A 5/333.  = I can't speak for VMS, but running that same test under Linux @ (2.6.12.5) on a 1000A 5/300 completes 13 tests in approx 1.7 sec (Python 2.4.1).    > 	 > Thanks,  > Ransom Fitch   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:23:58 +0100 1 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?=  Subject: Re: Pyhon perfomance?7 Message-ID: <439728c6$0$20157$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>   H > After installing Python I ran some of the tests and Python seemed VERYH > SLOW.  For instance: running "test_time.py" takes 4.5 - 5.3 seconds (8 > tests with 1 failure). > F > Any ideas on what I should expect?  Running on OVMS Hobbyist OpenVMS# > V7.3-1, AlphaServer 1000A 5/333.   >    which kit version? current is: $ prod sh prod python235< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------5 PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    STATE < ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------9 JFP AXPVMS PYTHON235 V1.35-0        Full LP     Installed < ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------   1 item found    C What you measure is mostly the startup time and the various modules 
 loading time.   G When python start it load (import) some modules, try "python -v" to see H which one. And for each module it can check many different location (akaG search list) try "python -vv" then "import foo", and importing a module  cost CPU and IO.  3 If you take a look at the various demonstrations on H http://vmspython.dyndns.org/ for example the webware one, you wll noticeH  that the performance are pretty good, on my LAN average request time isG less than 0.1s (near 0.07s) and the various gdchart demo near 0.05s and 5 these demo are loaded, the executed for each request.     F googling "python performance" give many interesting hits for examples:2 http://orca.mojam.com/~skip/python/fastpython.html( http://www.artima.com/intv/prodperf.html etc...  B Also an AlphaServer 1000A 5/333 is not a very fast system, run the< pystone benchmark on it and on any recent PC to be convince.  3 My station (XP1000 5/500) give 7200 pystones/second $ My PC PIV 3GHz 41000 pystones/second    	 > Thanks,  > Ransom Fitch >     
 Jean-Franois    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:47:06 +08003 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> B Subject: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance?1 Message-ID: <dn6b4d$6kt$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi,   L I have no idea what the job market is like in the States but on which streetJ corner would one expect to find 60 VMS engineers with internals experience: and security clearance (which I assume has to be renewed)?  G If Bangalore manages to land that one then the market really is getting  tough!   Regards Richard Maher   ) PS. See www.openvms.org for more details.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 06:33:26 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> F Subject: Re: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance?, Message-ID: <4396C87A.49E34A48@teksavvy.com>   Richard Maher wrote:N > I have no idea what the job market is like in the States but on which streetL > corner would one expect to find 60 VMS engineers with internals experience< > and security clearance (which I assume has to be renewed)?     <aluminium foil hat on>  <speculation mode on>   * HP about to announce VMS is to be retired.D Military ready to hire all VMS engineers to continue VMS support for their internal use.    </speculation> </aluminium hat>    F Someone told me that VAX hardware support contracts would no longer be offered soon. Is that true ?  F If so, it could be related to a need to port specialised software from4 VAX to Alpha, and that needs new driver structures.   D And I wouldn't worry about bangalore. I doubt the USA military wouldE ever give security clearance type contracts to folks outside the USA.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 05:25:44 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>F Subject: Re: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance?0 Message-ID: <BFBC22D8.18AD8%roktsci@comcast.net>  L On 12/7/05 1:47 AM, in article dn6b4d$6kt$1@news-02.connect.com.au, "Richard+ Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote:    > Hi,  > N > I have no idea what the job market is like in the States but on which streetL > corner would one expect to find 60 VMS engineers with internals experience< > and security clearance (which I assume has to be renewed)? > I > If Bangalore manages to land that one then the market really is getting  > tough! >  > Regards Richard Maher  > + > PS. See www.openvms.org for more details.  >  >  Hello Richard,  G I'm not sure I understand what you are asking when you say "What Street K Corner". Are you looking for one place with 60 of the VMS engineers you are D looking for, or are you just looking for 60 from anywhere in the US.  / If the latter, then you have at least one here!  I'm in Los Angeles County.- Email me directly and I will give my details.    Jeff     ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:17:36 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> F Subject: RE: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance?R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB773333@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Jeff Cameron [mailto:roktsci@comcast.net]=20  > Sent: December 7, 2005 8:26 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com H > Subject: Re: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance? >=20# > On 12/7/05 1:47 AM, in article=20 / > dn6b4d$6kt$1@news-02.connect.com.au, "Richard - > Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote:  >=20 > > Hi,  > >=20? > > I have no idea what the job market is like in the States=20  > but on which street < > > corner would one expect to find 60 VMS engineers with=20 > internals experience> > > and security clearance (which I assume has to be renewed)? > >=20< > > If Bangalore manages to land that one then the market=20 > really is getting 
 > > tough! > >=20 > > Regards Richard Maher  > >=20- > > PS. See www.openvms.org for more details.  > >=20 > >=20 > Hello Richard, >=20? > I'm not sure I understand what you are asking when you say=20  > "What Street> > Corner". Are you looking for one place with 60 of the VMS=20 > engineers you are F > looking for, or are you just looking for 60 from anywhere in the US. >=201 > If the latter, then you have at least one here!  > I'm in Los Angeles County./ > Email me directly and I will give my details.  >=20	 > Jeff=20  >=20   Jeff,   B It is not Richard that is looking for the 60 OpenVMS programmers /H device driver resources, but rather a Customer based in California / New Mexico.   
 Reference:; http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=3D05/12/06/7832115    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   >=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:40:17 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>F Subject: Re: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance?- Message-ID: <4396AE01.14042.A6E330@localhost>   & On 7 Dec 2005 at 6:33, JF Mezei wrote:H > Someone told me that VAX hardware support contracts would no longer be > offered soon. Is that true ?  C Good times coming for CHARON-VAX, eh?  [Shameless Plug (tm) Alert1]   H > If so, it could be related to a need to port specialised software from6 > VAX to Alpha, and that needs new driver structures.   B Alpha drivers are pointless without a way to hook up the hardware E that is on the VAX.  The only Q-bus to PCI interface I know of works  , with CHARON-VAX.  Oops, I couldn't resist...  ? Actually, one branch of the military was hot (~2 years ago) to  E migrate Alpha applications to Itanium because Alpha was going end-of-  life.   C I've asked my contacts at Los Alamos about the opportunity, and no   one's heard of it...  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2005 14:51:35 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)F Subject: Re: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance?, Message-ID: <3vob7nF16t1mpU1@individual.net>  - In article <4396AE01.14042.A6E330@localhost>, 5 	"Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes: ( > On 7 Dec 2005 at 6:33, JF Mezei wrote:I >> Someone told me that VAX hardware support contracts would no longer be  >> offered soon. Is that true ?  > E > Good times coming for CHARON-VAX, eh?  [Shameless Plug (tm) Alert1]  > I >> If so, it could be related to a need to port specialised software from 7 >> VAX to Alpha, and that needs new driver structures.   > D > Alpha drivers are pointless without a way to hook up the hardware G > that is on the VAX.  The only Q-bus to PCI interface I know of works  . > with CHARON-VAX.  Oops, I couldn't resist... > A > Actually, one branch of the military was hot (~2 years ago) to  G > migrate Alpha applications to Itanium because Alpha was going end-of-  > life.  > E > I've asked my contacts at Los Alamos about the opportunity, and no   > one's heard of it...  D Looks more like a shyster contractor looking for bodies.  If that isE the case it will likely pay much less than what people with that kind H of experience should expect to get.  And have little if any job securityC as well.  Out of work computer people with security clearances just  aren't looking!    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2005 07:35:32 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 8 Subject: Re: the counterpart of lib$spawn on Linux/UNIX?3 Message-ID: <oNUPV3IWZLgT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <dn4nhg$6c8$2@newslocal.mitre.org>, klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) writes: > I > A quick test using a "cat" command on an xterm from "Red Hat Enterprise H > Linux AS release 3 (Taroon Update 5)" shows behavior similar to /wrap. > N > But my guess is it's only a spew-limiting measure and that the user probably+ > doesn't pay attention to the spew anyway.   G    I've always fonud it best to pipe into more when I wanted to be sure E    my output would wrap on a UNIX.  Maybe it's a find or grep feature G    that's making output look like /nowrap, since it's often those tools "    I'm using when I run into this.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 15:24:39 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: Time problem Q Message-ID: <OF9DEA0803.8CCEB2D2-ON852570CF.006FFFCC-852570CF.00701EED@metso.com>   E "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote on 12/05/2005 05:55:26 PM:   H > High interrupt time is not going to lose the time you are seeing - but > something D > bad on the bus can and will.  For instance, a device that is doing	 excessive H > retries.  Try removing one of the SCSI controllers at a time.  We have seenG > this type of thing with some graphics adapters that misbehaved in the  past -* > which is why I was asking about devices.  J I second that.  Had a VS4000-96 giving me fits and it turned out to be the< graphics card even though we had no graphics terminal on it.   >  > . > "Kevin Handy" <kth@srv.net> wrote in message4 > news:1133802802_68385@spool6-east.superfeed.net... > > FredK wrote:6 > > > "Joe Bloggs" <JBloggs@acme.com> wrote in message8 > > > news:k6o0p1dd9ifbgp77vk2risk6lkreoletom@4ax.com... > > > J > > >>On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:19:42 -0700, Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> wrote: > > >> > > >>E > > >>>I just set the time correctly, and after 1/2 hour it is off by E > > >>>5 minutes. Doing a bare "set time" seems to reset the clock to  > > >>>the correct time. > > >> > > > H > > > What type of hardware is this, and what type of options are on the bus. > > >  > > > ' > > DS10, with two SCSI adapters, iirc. A > > One for the internal disks/tape, one for external disks/tape. @ > > I think that the external disks and tape (TZ30) are all gone< > > now. They were needed for the original conversion from a6 > > MicroVax 3100, so one SCSI is probably now unused. > > ; > > MON MODES does not show any large number of interrupts, 8 > > just 100% idle time, so I don't think the extra SCSI > > controller is going nuts.  > > J > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet > News==----K > > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000  +  > NewsgroupsI > > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption  > =----  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2005 05:18:23 -0800 ! From: filip.de.block@proximus.net 0 Subject: using CDD plus on a write locked deviceC Message-ID: <1133961503.463920.159650@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E I do have a cdd plus-system that needs to be readonly accessible, but F that is located on a write locked disk (actuall a disk that is mountedD on an other VMS system, but happens to be visible on current system)   SPLZ01> sh log cdd$default@    "CDD$DEFAULT" = "DISK$AXP_SOFT:[CDDPLUS]" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) SPLZ01> dict
 CDO> show def  CDD$DEFAULT      = DISK$AXP_SOFT:[CDDPLUS]  CDO> dir, %CDO-E-ERRDIRE, error displaying a directory -CDD-E-FSERR, file system error ) -RMS-E-WLK, device currently write locked   * (btw : DISK$AXP_SOFT is the readonly disk)  F Apparently, DICT wants to to write something (audit trail ?) in de the dictionary, but this fails.   G Similar situation occurs when accessing records, fields, etc. by MMS in - order to decide their last modification date.    Anyone cam help me out of here.   D PS : I do _NOT_ have CDD manuals, they seem to be almost unfindable.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:57:50 +0000 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>4 Subject: Re: using CDD plus on a write locked device4 Message-ID: <dn6t9e$edq$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>  " filip.de.block@proximus.net wrote:G > I do have a cdd plus-system that needs to be readonly accessible, but H > that is located on a write locked disk (actuall a disk that is mountedF > on an other VMS system, but happens to be visible on current system)  E I don't suppose you'll want to hear this, but SDL (from the freeware  + disk) is a great (free) alternative to CDD. J We switched to it (from CDD, which we'd paid for) for performance reasons.  I SDL is what has been used to maintain all VMS's data structure & routine  * definitions in portable/translatable form.  F It supports most VMS supported languages - I wrote a rudimentary IFDL   backend, since that was missing.   Chris    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2005 07:08:22 -0800 ! From: filip.de.block@proximus.net 4 Subject: Re: using CDD plus on a write locked deviceC Message-ID: <1133968102.264982.213420@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   E I do know about SDL, have being using even in th days that it was DEC $ Internal (was a DECcie for 12 years)  @ But now I need to READ (ONLY) things from CDD+, by using several* products (DICT, MMS, ACMS, compilers, etc)  F There has to be a way of setting this AUDIT (or whatever) off for this
 F*king CDD   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.681 ************************