1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 09 Dec 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 685       Contents:1 Alphaservers and VMS v. NT mentioned in a webblog  DFG (Defrag) - OpenVMS Re: DS10 and cost of PCI slots* Fwd: Need model number for Infoserver-1000. Re: Help with Storageworks Drive/BA364 problem. Re: Help with Storageworks Drive/BA364 problem* Re: HP to dump itanium - bring back alpha? HP's 4Q FY05 results Re: HP's 4Q FY05 results Re: HP's 4Q FY05 results Re: HP's 4Q FY05 results INSTALLing images  Re: INSTALLing images  Re: INSTALLing images  Re: INSTALLing images " Re: M e z e i kooks out again.....% Need model number for Infoserver-1000 8 Re: Ottawa pedophile Darrell Larose kooks out again..... Running Image From Procedure  Re: Running Image From Procedure  Re: Running Image From Procedure  Re: Running Image From Procedure  Re: Running Image From Procedure  Re: Running Image From Procedure8 Re: SDA> TCPIP SHO DEV/PORT=n/SOCK displays no BG device8 Re: SDA> TCPIP SHO DEV/PORT=n/SOCK displays no BG device  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:58:02 -0500- From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> : Subject: Alphaservers and VMS v. NT mentioned in a webblogH Message-ID: <8660a3a10512090958jc652e4at62755f71e5e3cc08@mail.gmail.com>  @ Doing a bit of research, and I decided to put "OpenVMS" into theF Technorati search engine to see what popped up (Hi, Willem! found your blog!)  @ And elsewhere, a blog called "The Lavender Way" contained a post/ entitled "Lateral Thinking" which included this  only-funny-in-hindsight tale:     I*am*not*the*author*of*this*bit:  = OTE's "process improvement" approach brought to mind other IT B solutions equally as lateral and in particular one incident in theD early days of Windows NT. The asset management company I was workingC with at the time had an impressive set of DEC Alpha servers running E VMS (64 bit even then) that ran their entire global business and they E were taking a punt on NT for a small system on the strength that Dave E Cutler who had architected VMS was also responsible for the design of F NT. The Alpha servers ran 24/365 with downtime required only to re-orgC the Oracle databases occasionally. The NT servers on the other hand D were up and down like a whore's drawers and so the IT director had a2 serious word with the head of Microsoft in the UK.  D To cut a long story ... the MS honcho returned some weeks later withB the latest fix from Redmond which was duly installed on all the NTA servers but reliability did not improve the NT servers were still E falling over twice or three times a day. At their next meeting the IT D director pointed this out to the MS honcho who smoothly asked him to? look at the uptime figures. Lo, and behold uptime had improved!   F Later, the IT director bearded his head of IT services and demanded anE explanation. How could it be that the servers were still falling over E with the same frequency and regularity but uptime was up? And, as you C have probably guessed, the answer was terribly lateral: Microsoft's E solution to the problem had been to reduce the time it took for NT to 7 re-boot! Holy Ada Lovelace, Batman! How smart was that?   ) Repeat:  I*am*not*the*author*of*this*bit:    WWWebb --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------   Date: 09 Dec 2005 14:52:09 GMT? From: caaron@ceris.purdue-dot-edu.no-spam.invalid (Chuck Aaron)  Subject: DFG (Defrag) - OpenVMS F Message-ID: <43999a19$0$28638$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>  E Can someone tell me what account and what parameter/value needs to be  set @ to prevent this from occurring when DFG runs to defrag one of my disks?   Thanks,  Chuck     @ Begin file evaluation phase:                         17-AUG-2005 00:00:00.72    @     Candidates for defragmentation (based on the defragmentation level):    : %DFG-F-SYSSRVERR, call to system service SYS$EXPREG failed) -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded  CHUCK>   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:00:37 -0500$ From: "Chris" <an.other@not_here.ca>' Subject: Re: DS10 and cost of PCI slots 9 Message-ID: <BShmf.9397$kt5.781763@news20.bellglobal.com>   F "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> wrote in< message news:o1Xlf.67558$Y82.66262@bignews4.bellsouth.net...K > The answer would have been to stuff the ATI Radeon chip, Adaptec U160 and  a % > Gigabit ethernet on the motherboard J > Realistically, they could have also put a 2Gbit fiberchannel slot on the2 > board too (then you install the appropriate GBIC > J > The one PCI slot then could be used for additional fiber or another scsi or
 > whatever >  > >>>Bad Analogy time<<< > J > It seems to me that COMPAQ/DEC/HP or whoever they are this week want you to' > BUY the options - always extra money. K > Just like going to buy your new car - only $25,000 sticker price when you  go* > into the garage, $35,000 when you leave.J > What they didn't tell you is that the seats, wheels, engine and steering > wheel are all opions!  >     J Just like the extra cost "Country kit" option on VT terminals.  It was the keyboard and power cord !!!      >  > --   >  > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 > Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  > Fax: 912 201 0402  > Email: dbturner@icusc.com  > Web: http://www.islandco.com' > ===================================== > > All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions0 > of sale. These should be read before ordering.' > http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html  > 4 > "Dan Foster" <usenet@evilphb.org> wrote in message1 > news:slrndpeuk0.2rn.usenet@zappy.catbert.org... A > > In article <ghKlf.284$5b7.257@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff Hoffman  > <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote:  > > > J > > >   HP Hardware Engineering has recently introduced its innovative newK > > >   Singularity Packaging Technology (tm), allowing the interior volume B > > >   of the system enclosure to be far larger than its exterior dimensions. F > > >   SPT support greatly increases the expansion capabilities of 1U
 > systems. > > K > > Didn't the SPT release notes mention that corner cases, such as systems F > > utilizing SPT and located near wormholes, were as of this time, an > > untested configuration? :-)  > >  > > -Dan >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:28:21 -0500- From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> 3 Subject: Fwd: Need model number for Infoserver-1000 I Message-ID: <8660a3a10512091028m594f90e4vdd5951bc16175e2d@mail.gmail.com>   ) On 9 Dec 2005 09:47:23 -0600, Bob Koehler 0 <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote: > F >   I'm trying to get a hardware maintenance contract from HP.  One ofE >   my systems, an Infoserver-1000, has the following model number on  >   its tag: >  >      70-30343-03. A02  > < >   HP claims that "703034303A" is not a valid model number. > B >   Is this a punctuation problem, or is HP looking for some other >   number?  >  >   F The document the link below references indicates (assuming I'm readingA it correctly) that you ought to be looking for a part number that E starts with SEAD, with a suffix that varies based on whether you have  one, four or seven drives.  > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB00S8MW.DOC   HTH.   WWWebb --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/      --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:59:24 -0500C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> 7 Subject: Re: Help with Storageworks Drive/BA364 problem 9 Message-ID: <LJhmf.21245$cA2.2847@bignews3.bellsouth.net>    That's your problem   The total bus length is too long2 Must use one ctr for internal and one for external  - Some drives are touchy about the cable length    You were just lucky before  I Documentation - nope not here but we have had this problem numerous times # with controllers being used in/ext.    DT   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   % <mcbill20@yahoo.com> wrote in message = news:1134075233.435159.231290@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... H > Thanks for the info. I am not in front of the machine now so I'll haveG > to check the console stuff tonight. As for the duplicate SCSI ID's, I H > know that they are not the problem. I had replaced the RZ29's with theF > newer drives, so the SCSI ID would be the same. Also, when I put the( > drives in unused slots and then did an >  > MCR SYSMAN IO AUTOCONFIGURE  > G > the drives appeared as DKA200, etc. When I then tried to mount them I  > got the error. > E > You mentioned that the Qlogic controller must either be internal or H > external only. Is this documented? The reason I ask is that this BA364F > has been working fine for a couple of years, sometimes with a singleI > drive and a TZ87, and other times with a couple of RZ29 drives. All the H > drives show up as DKAnnn. I also have internal drives DKA0, DKA100 andI > DKA1000. Again, this has been working fine for a long time and does not D > log any errors. My second SCSI card is a  NCR 53C810. This card is: > connected to the CDROM drive and an external tape drive. > & > Here is the output from a SHO DEV D: > G > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  > Trans Mnt H >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks > Count Cnt H > DSA0:                   Mounted              0  AXPVMSSYS      6324876
 >  928   1C > $1$DKA0:      (SHAGGY)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA0:) C > $1$DKA100:    (SHAGGY)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA0:) 0 > $1$DKA200:    (SHAGGY)  Online              110 > $1$DKA400:    (SHAGGY)  Online              11H > $1$DKA600:    (SHAGGY)  Mounted             57  USER6          4681647
 >    1   1H > $1$DKA1000:   (SHAGGY)  Mounted              0  USER10         4818783
 >  122   10 > $1$DKB400:    (SHAGGY)  Online wrtlck        0H > $1$DVA0:      (SHAGGY)  Mounted              0  SCRATCH           2849
 >    1   1 > I > The DKA600 drive is the one I attempted to replace with the new drives. I > The DKA200 and DKA400 appeared when I tried the new drives in the other D > slots. All the errors were logged when attempting to mount the new4 > drives. Also, here is the output from SHOW DEV PK: > F > Device PKA0:, device type Qlogic ISP1020 SCSI port, is online, error > logging is >     enabled. > > >     Error count                    0    Operations completed	 >     389 3 >     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC 
 > [SYSTEM]2 >     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot > S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W = >     Reference count                0    Default buffer size 	 >   65535 2 >     Current preferred CPU Id       0    Fastpath	 >       1  > H > Device PKB0:, device type NCR 53C810 SCSI, is online, error logging is
 > enabled. > > >     Error count                    0    Operations completed	 >     180 3 >     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC 
 > [SYSTEM]2 >     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot > S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W = >     Reference count                0    Default buffer size 	 >       0  >  > 	 > Thanks.  > Bill >  > William Webb wrote: I > > On 7 Dec 2005 20:24:52 -0800, mcbill20@yahoo.com <mcbill20@yahoo.com>  wrote:L > > > Hello all. I have a BA364-AB (four-high) Storageworks box connected toI > > > a Qlogic ISP1020 SCSI card in a PWS500. I got this Storageworks box K > > > with a few RZ29B-VA disks (in tan boxes, if that makes a difference). G > > > Recently I purchased a 9.1 gig DS-RZ1EA-VW drive in a grey box on  Ebay. J > > > When I tried to mount the drive I saw a single flash of an amber LED: > > > and then got an error saying the medium was offline. > > > I > > > At first I just assumed I had gotten a bad drive. I then found a 36  gig J > > > DS-RZ1FC-VW drive, also in a grey container. When I attempt to mountL > > > this one, I get a single flash of a green LED and then the same error. > > > J > > > Can anyone tell me what the problem is? I don't know if these drivesC > > > are too new for my SCSI card, or for this BA364 box, or is it 	 something  > > > else?  > > > L > > > My understanding of SCSI was that it always should be both forward andI > > > backward compatible but that you would just take a performance hit,  say L > > > if you connected an ultra-320 drive to a SCSI-1 or SCSI-2 bus. (I knowF > > > that of course, you can't mix single-ended, HVD and LVD though.) > > > 
 > > > Thanks. 
 > > > Bill > > >  > > >  > > A > > You might be able to make it work, then again, you might not.  > > ? > > Remember, neither S in SCSI represents the word "standard".  > > G > > I haven't used your particular enclosure, but I have used blue-gray I > > drives (DS-RZ1xx-VW of some type) and green drives (RZ2n-VA) together  > > in a BA356 shelf.  > > G > > In fact I have some running now in one of the systems here at work, G > > but they're hanging off an HSZ or HSJ instead of a Qlogic so it's a # > > different situation altogether.  > > I > > The most frequent shelf error if people connect an external enclosure G > > to an onboard SCSI (I know, this isn't your situation) is that they  > > accidentally duplicate > > ; > > 1.  I assume the Qlogic is only running external stuff.  > > H > > AFAIK anything that's 1020-based won't do both internal and external. > > devices.  One, or the other, but not both. > > 5 > > 2.  What HBAs do you see from the console prompt?  > > = > > 3.  What disk devices do you see from the console prompt?  > > ( > > 4.  What is the terminal velocity... > > 
 > > WWWebb > > G > > NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  > > correspondence. G > > All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for < > > services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at' > > http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:44:52 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>7 Subject: Re: Help with Storageworks Drive/BA364 problem 2 Message-ID: <dncca4$7nh$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  8 "Steven M. Schweda" <sms@antinode.org> wrote in message , news:05120817210608_2038971B@antinode.org...  F >> You mentioned that the Qlogic controller must either be internal or+ >> external only. Is this documented? [...]  > I >   QLogic tends to say that you can use any two SCSI connectors, but not G > all three.  VMS tends to say that you can use any one SCSI connector.   K You're just too likely to blow the bus length budget otherwise: 1.5m total, F assuming it's a KZPBA-CA. Replacing a Fast drive with an Ultra one hasG probably pushed it over the edge: it might work if pka0_mode was set to L fast instead of ultra. Breaking the configuration rules first, then winding  the H clock up later, is a pretty common failure mode, and not just for SCSI.    ------------------------------   Date: 09 Dec 2005 14:52:09 GMTG From: prep@prep.synonet-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (prep@prep.synonet.com) 3 Subject: Re: HP to dump itanium - bring back alpha? F Message-ID: <43999a19$1$28638$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>   icerq4a@spray.se writes:   > JF Mezei skrev: 4 > And the fact that Pa-Risc's life has been extended > 2 > I am not aware of this? Not changed I would say. > @ The PA family, ignoring that  the itanic was to have been PA3.0,? was to end in 97 or so, then the first 64 bit chip was spun out A as they wherer still waiting for the first coming. Then it was to " end with Mako(?) in the Superdome.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:41:22 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>  Subject: HP's 4Q FY05 results / Message-ID: <Ssimf.396$Nj.173@news.cpqcorp.net>   A I was catching up on the posts here and was surprised to find no  A discusion of HP's 4Q FY05 results. So here is a summary and some  1 highlights. The press release from Nov. 17 is at  B http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/investor/financials/quarters/2005/q4.html   HP Overview  ----------- E Net revenue was $22.9 billion for the quarter, up 7% year-over-year.  H Revenue in the Americas grew 5% to $10 billion; Europe, the Middle East F and Africa grew 8% to $9.1 billion; and Asia Pacific grew 12% to $3.8  billion.  E hpshopping.com earned its fifth consecutive win in the Best Computer  I Retailer Web Site category in the 2005 WebAward competition sponsored by   the Web Marketing Association.   Imaging and Printing Group --------------------------I Imaging and Printing Group quarterly revenue of $6.8 billion, up 4% Y/Y.  B Commercial hardware revenue grew 4%, supplies revenue grew 7% and C overall printer unit growth for consumer and commercial up 8% Y/Y.  I Operating profit was $896 million, or 13% of revenue. Continued momentum  D in consumer printing hardware with unit growth of 6% Y/Y, fueled by % strength in All-in-One (AiO) devices.   F PC Magazine named the HP Photosmart 3310 All-in-One and HP Photosmart  R817 camera Editors Choice   H HP LaserJet 243tn and LaserJet 1020 among PC Worlds Top 10 Monochrome  Laser Printers    Personal Systems Group ----------------------H PSG broke through the $7 billion mark in revenue for the quarter with a B 9% Y/Y increase. On a Y/Y basis, desktop revenue increased 1% and E notebook revenue grew 23%. Commercial clients grew 8% over the prior  F year period and consumer clients revenue grew 14%. PSG posted its 5th I consecutive quarter of improving profitability, raising operating profit  C as a percent of revenue to 2.8% and delivering $200 million to the   bottom line.  G J.D. Power & Associates recognized HP for outstanding customer service  F in supporting its entire consumer product line in North America, from + cameras and televisions to printers and PCs     Technology Solutions Group (TSG)  --------------------------------H Revenue was nearly $8.7 billion, up 8 percent over last year. Operating B profit was $754 million, or 8.7 percent of revenue. For the year, E revenue increased over FY04 by more than 11 percent to more than $33   billion.  $ Enterprise Storage and Servers (ESS)$ ------------------------------------D ESS revenue was $4.5 billion, up 10% Y/Y. Operating margin was $405 E million, or 9.1% of revenue, up from a profit of $100 million in the  I prior year period. Industry-Standard Servers (ISS) revenue was up nearly  G 12% over last year. Storage revenue sustained the momentum it began in  G Q3, with record revenue of $932 million, 17% higher than last year. HP  E Integrity server revenue was up 70% over the same quarter last year.  I There are currently 5,700 ISV applications for the HP Integrity platform.    Software --------H Software revenue was $311 million, up 11% Y/Y. HP OpenView revenue grew E 16% Y/Y and OpenCall was up 3%. Operating profit was $27 million, or   8.7% of revenue.   HP Services  ----------- I HPS revenue grew 6% Y/Y to $3.9 billion. Technology Services revenue was  B up 4%; Managed Services revenue grew 9%; Consulting & Integration H revenue grew 11%. Operating profit was $322 million, or 8.3% of revenue.   HP Financial Services  --------------------- G HPFS revenue was $514 million, an increase of 3% Y/Y. Operating profit  % was $52 million, or 10.1% of revenue.    ---   C Examples of press coverage the day after the earnings announcement:   I MarketWatch, Nov. 18: "Silicon Stocks: Tech stocks rise after H-P report" G "Hewlett-Packard Co. shares rose to new heights early Friday after the  H Dow component reported a fiscal fourth-quarter profit before items that B topped Wall Street's expectations due to strong sales of its PCs, D servers and storage gear. The technology giant also issued a profit D forecast for the current quarter that exceeded analysts' estimates."  2 Reuters, Nov. 18: "Stocks end higher on GE and HP"  ' SmartMoney, Nov. 18: "Laggards No More" D "Chief Executive Mark Hurd showed investors he's making some of the H tough decisions needed to turn the venerable tech company around. H-P's I enterprise-computing division, which includes storage and servers, was a  G standout, and PCs performed well. Yes, the company's restructuring has  E required a massive charge to earnings, but the efforts are producing  F good results. H-P not only topped fiscal fourth-quarter earnings by a B nickel a share, but it also boosted first-quarter and fiscal 2006  estimates. ...C 'We continue to like what our industry sources say about H-P's new  I leadership,' wrote Cindy Shaw, analyst at Moors & Cabot Capital Markets,  E a Boston-based financial-services firm, in a note to clients Friday.  E 'Our contacts are seeing a new focus on accountability and the basic  ( blocking and tackling of the business.'"  E Associated Press, Nov. 18: "HP Shares Up a Day After Positive Report" F "The results Thursday firmly beat Wall Street expectations as all its I divisions -- from personal computers and printers to enterprise servers,  F software and services -- reported gains in sales. HP also boosted its ( earnings forecast for the first quarter. ... B 'HP delivered another strong quarterly performance, with balanced I revenue growth, good cost discipline, improved margins in key businesses  F and strong cash flow,' said Mark Hurd, HP's CEO. 'We are pleased with : our progress to date, but there is more work ahead of us.' ... G The latest results are seen as a sign of further progress by Hurd, the  L former NCR executive who replaced ousted HP CEO Carly Fiorina in late March. ... G As HP's results have improved, there have been fewer calls to split up  I the sprawling technology company. Critics have suggested that HP get out  E of the low-margin PC business, an industry that is dominated by Dell  & Inc. and its manufacturing efficiency.  H Lately, though, Dell has been stumbling. In the most recent quarter, it G missed analysts' earnings targets by $300 million and its record sales  I of $13.9 billion fell short of its own forecast of between $14.1 billion   and $14.5 billion.  B On Thursday, HP's Personal Systems Group, which includes PCs, saw B revenue grow by 9 percent to $7.1 billion and shipments jumped 13 C percent. The division reported an operating profit of $200 million.    Hurd declined to discuss Dell.  B 'We just tried to build a plan and execute to that plan,' he said.  E Cindy Shaw, a Moors & Cabot Capital Markets analyst who follows both  B companies, said Dell has lost its advantage in price as PC prices K decline. It also faces stiffer competition in terms of service and support.   I 'The magic is gone -- Dell is slogging it out with everyone else, and HP   is getting better,' she said."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 08:21:36 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ! Subject: Re: HP's 4Q FY05 results ( Message-ID: <ops1iyeafhzgicya@hyrrokkin>  0 On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:41:22 GMT, Keith Parris  % <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:   & > Enterprise Storage and Servers (ESS)& > ------------------------------------G > ESS revenue was $4.5 billion, up 10% Y/Y. Operating margin was $405   H > million, or 9.1% of revenue, up from a profit of $100 million in the  L > prior year period. Industry-Standard Servers (ISS) revenue was up nearly  J > 12% over last year. Storage revenue sustained the momentum it began in  J > Q3, with record revenue of $932 million, 17% higher than last year. HP  H > Integrity server revenue was up 70% over the same quarter last year.  K > There are currently 5,700 ISV applications for the HP Integrity platform.  >   H The results are rather opaque.  ISS up 12% to what?  HP Integrity ... upK 17% to what? and how partitioned?  I guess VMS revenues were probably about 
 1 Billion.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:52:36 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>! Subject: Re: HP's 4Q FY05 results ? Message-ID: <oDimf.189694$Es4.105860@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Keith Parris wrote: C > I was catching up on the posts here and was surprised to find no  C > discusion of HP's 4Q FY05 results. So here is a summary and some     You didn't look hard enough!    & > Enterprise Storage and Servers (ESS)& > ------------------------------------F > ESS revenue was $4.5 billion, up 10% Y/Y. Operating margin was $405   F Any reason you decided to omit the fact that BCS (that's us) was down H due to the increase in Itanium sales being exceeded by drop in sales of  Alpha and PA-RISC?  G > million, or 9.1% of revenue, up from a profit of $100 million in the  K > prior year period. Industry-Standard Servers (ISS) revenue was up nearly  I > 12% over last year. Storage revenue sustained the momentum it began in  I > Q3, with record revenue of $932 million, 17% higher than last year. HP  G > Integrity server revenue was up 70% over the same quarter last year.    H Was up 70% over the same quarter last year but was down on the previous H quarter IIRC. The delay to dual core Itanics will likely dent this even E further. Market analysts appear to be of the opinion that HP Itanium  . sales have already peaked and are now falling.  E ESSG did very, very well mainly on the back of Opteron (ok and Xeon)  G sales through ISSG. Every one of these sales is currently bad news for   VMS and HP-UX.   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:31:39 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> ! Subject: Re: HP's 4Q FY05 results / Message-ID: <f4kmf.413$qp.101@news.cpqcorp.net>    Tom Linden wrote:   7 > On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:41:22 GMT, Keith Parris wrote: 2 >> Industry-Standard Servers (ISS) revenue was up H >> nearly 12% over last year. Storage revenue sustained the momentum it E >> began in Q3, with record revenue of $932 million, 17% higher than  C >> last year. HP Integrity server revenue was up 70% over the same   >> quarter last year.  > J > The results are rather opaque.  ISS up 12% to what?  HP Integrity ... up > 17% to what?  8 Compared with the same quarter (Q4) of last fiscal year.  D And it was Storage which had the figure of 17% higher. HP Integrity > Servers were up 70% compared with the same quarter a year ago.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2005 05:20:49 -0800  From: ferrariTR512m@hotmail.com  Subject: INSTALLing imagesC Message-ID: <1134134449.219591.263250@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hello VMS dudes.  G This one is surely for Guy P. and/or Norm L. because the command I used F came from one of their slides from Nov 2004.  But anyone may feel free to butt in.    I am reviewing a system.  A The result of a $ pipe show dev/file/nosys sys$sysdevice | search B sys$input: .exe revealed the following common images (instances in	 brackets)    SMBSRVSHR.EXE (7)  LIBRTL_D56_TV.EXE (43) TIE$MESSAGES.EXE (41)  FORRTL_D56_TV.EXE (40) SQLSRV_MESSAGES.EXE (36) SORTMSG.EXE (41) FDLSHR.EXE (115) SQLSRV_EXEC71.EXE (34) SQLSRV$MOD71.EXE (34)  EPC$MSG.EXE (15)  ; I checked install and this is what showed for these images.    SMBSRVSHR;1 . LIBRTL;1         Open Hdr SharAddr Lnkbl Resid TIE$MESSAGES;1 FORRTL_D56_TV;1  FDLSHR;1   Not mentioned in INSTALL   SQLSRV_MESSAGES.EXE (*)  SORTMSG.EXE  SQLSRV_EXEC71 (*)  SQLSRV$MOD71.EXE EPC$MSG.EXE   D Interestingly, LIBRTL.EXE is number 4 on the XFC topqio list for the system disk - but I digress.  G I checked SQLSRV$STARTUP71.COM and discovered that the items marked (*) A can be installed "/Open/Head/Shar".  I could find no reference to G SQLSRV$MOD'version'.EXE in the startup file (an oversight from Oracle I  think)  * So, now for the deep meaningful questions.  D 1: How can I determine whether these items can be installed and what' options are useful/possible (CODE,DATA) C 2: What will be the memory effect of installing any of these images A 3: What will be the performance effect of installing any of these  images     cheers	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:53:04 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> Subject: Re: INSTALLing images/ Message-ID: <ALhmf.374$%F7.18@news.cpqcorp.net>     ferrariTR512m@hotmail.com wrote: > Hello VMS dudes. > I > This one is surely for Guy P. and/or Norm L. because the command I used H > came from one of their slides from Nov 2004.  But anyone may feel free
 > to butt in.  >  > I am reviewing a system. > C > The result of a $ pipe show dev/file/nosys sys$sysdevice | search D > sys$input: .exe revealed the following common images (instances in > brackets)  >  > SMBSRVSHR.EXE (7)  > LIBRTL_D56_TV.EXE (43) > TIE$MESSAGES.EXE (41)  > FORRTL_D56_TV.EXE (40) > SQLSRV_MESSAGES.EXE (36) > SORTMSG.EXE (41) > FDLSHR.EXE (115) > SQLSRV_EXEC71.EXE (34) > SQLSRV$MOD71.EXE (34)  > EPC$MSG.EXE (15) > = > I checked install and this is what showed for these images.  > 
 > SMBSRVSHR;1 0 > LIBRTL;1         Open Hdr SharAddr Lnkbl Resid > TIE$MESSAGES;1 > FORRTL_D56_TV;1 
 > FDLSHR;1 >  > Not mentioned in INSTALL >  > SQLSRV_MESSAGES.EXE (*) 
 > SORTMSG.EXE  > SQLSRV_EXEC71 (*)  > SQLSRV$MOD71.EXE
 > EPC$MSG.EXE  > F > Interestingly, LIBRTL.EXE is number 4 on the XFC topqio list for the > system disk - but I digress. > I > I checked SQLSRV$STARTUP71.COM and discovered that the items marked (*) C > can be installed "/Open/Head/Shar".  I could find no reference to I > SQLSRV$MOD'version'.EXE in the startup file (an oversight from Oracle I  > think) > , > So, now for the deep meaningful questions. > F > 1: How can I determine whether these items can be installed and what) > options are useful/possible (CODE,DATA) E > 2: What will be the memory effect of installing any of these images C > 3: What will be the performance effect of installing any of these  > images >   L Installing message files doesn't really do anything. Not worth your trouble.  ? For the ones installed but not /HEADER/OPEN/SHARED, etc. (like  E FORRTL_D56_TV, FDLSHR), you can reinstall them with those qualifiers  C with just a handful of system resources.  The images will activate  I faster and be shared between multiple processes using them.  However, if  E you have a single process that starts up once and runs forever, then  A adding /HEADER/OPEN/SHARED, etc. doesn't really buy you anything.   G The other qualifiers like /RESIDENT, etc. do have a bigger impact, but  G also require the images to be linked in a certain way.  They also take  " much more system resources to use.     --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2005 07:42:31 -0800  From: ferrariTR512m@hotmail.com  Subject: Re: INSTALLing imagesC Message-ID: <1134142951.059714.307280@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    John  @ It looks like there are 115 processes using FDLSHR. Also, it can> apparently be installed /RESIDENT (so can SMBSRVSHR (7 users))  < These would appear to be good candidates for the full monty.  A LIBRTL_D56_TV.EXE & FORRTL_D56_TV.EXE with 40+ processes each are  candidates for /OPEN/HEAD/SHARE   G I have ascertained that the SQL* images are now installed by default in C the latest release of SQL/Services, so they are also uninteresting.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2005 11:52:26 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: INSTALLing images3 Message-ID: <i3dkp58CmC0h@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <1134134449.219591.263250@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, ferrariTR512m@hotmail.com writes:   F > 1: How can I determine whether these items can be installed and what) > options are useful/possible (CODE,DATA)    Only by asking the vendor.  A In particular, installing a shareable image marks it as "Trusted" D (whatever else it might do) and the vendor must make a determination@ as to whether that is safe to do or it opens up a security hole.  > Very few people (and thus very few people per vendor) are ableB to perform such an analysis.  I know of at least three images that@ got released by their vendors with an inadequate analysis within the past 10 years.  E > 2: What will be the memory effect of installing any of these images C > 3: What will be the performance effect of installing any of these  > images   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 01:40:32 -0500   From: Madonna <nospam@nospam.ca>+ Subject: Re: M e z e i kooks out again..... 9 Message-ID: <AF9mf.9270$kt5.746278@news20.bellglobal.com>    Darrell wrote:. > "Grubb Industries" <grubb> wrote in message 4 > news:jbrhp1h1mtqdnb39jdns34sd9l8bpqfq2k@4ax.com...1 >> On 8 Dec 2005 18:27:02 -0800, "Gregory Morrow" ' >> <gregorymorrow@earthlink.net> wrote:  >> >>> Nomen Nescio wrote:  >>> @ >>>> *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* >>> C >>> Oh my, is all this stuff *really* true?  Pretty wierd if it is!   I Oh my!  You've been replying to Nomen Nescio for years and never read the > JF-FAQ once before even though he's been posting it for years?   >> WHO CARES >>K > Oddly enough only Gregory Morrow who always follows-up this stupid Nomen   > Nescio TROLL.   & Probably because it's the same person.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2005 09:47:23 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) . Subject: Need model number for Infoserver-10003 Message-ID: <gxYg+juJRoyy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   E    I'm trying to get a hardware maintenance contract from HP.  One of D    my systems, an Infoserver-1000, has the following model number on    its tag:          70-30343-03. A02  ;    HP claims that "703034303A" is not a valid model number.   A    Is this a punctuation problem, or is HP looking for some other 
    number?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:52:52 -0500 From: "Darrell" <spam@this.eh>A Subject: Re: Ottawa pedophile Darrell Larose kooks out again..... 9 Message-ID: <XO-dncVQSs7aBwTenZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@rogers.com>   J Mikey the coward anonymously posting as "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> C wrote in message news:90cc0771774916f08838143cd0e33465@dizum.com...   , The same old boring lies, GET A LIFE MIKEY!!   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2005 07:43:37 GMT ( From: volkeren@rsli.de (Volker Englisch)% Subject: Running Image From Procedure * Message-ID: <dnbcj9$94g$1@rrz.allgaeu.org>   Hi!   G My intention was to write a DCL procedure that controls what executable C image is to be called at what time. The executables were written in A Cobol or Pascal. When running the executables from the DCL prompt  manually, they work perfectly.  8 When trying to run these from a DCL procedure like this:   $! THIS IS MENU.COM " $ RUN OPT:[PROG.PASCAL.DIV]ALC.EXE  - the program immediately terminates and shows:   1 %PAS-F-GETAFTEOF, GET attempted after end-of-file '   File "INPUT"  Filename "SYS$INPUT:.;"  Choose (B)eer or (W)ine:    6 It looks like SYS$INPUT is detached from the terminal?  G I guess it's a typical novice's question: Why does this happen, and how  do I get it working right?     TIA  V.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:57:21 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)) Subject: Re: Running Image From Procedure 6 Message-ID: <00A4DFDB.975980E3@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  U In article <dnbcj9$94g$1@rrz.allgaeu.org>, volkeren@rsli.de (Volker Englisch) writes:    >Hi! > H >My intention was to write a DCL procedure that controls what executableD >image is to be called at what time. The executables were written inB >Cobol or Pascal. When running the executables from the DCL prompt >manually, they work perfectly.  > 9 >When trying to run these from a DCL procedure like this:  >  >$! THIS IS MENU.COM# >$ RUN OPT:[PROG.PASCAL.DIV]ALC.EXE  > . >the program immediately terminates and shows: > 2 >%PAS-F-GETAFTEOF, GET attempted after end-of-file( >  File "INPUT"  Filename "SYS$INPUT:.;" >Choose (B)eer or (W)ine:  > 7 >It looks like SYS$INPUT is detached from the terminal?  > H >I guess it's a typical novice's question: Why does this happen, and how >do I get it working right?   I When you're inside the command procedure, SYS$INPUT is defined by default L to point to the command procedure itself, and it'll read until the next lineF that starts with a "$" (except when you've redefined that character to0 something else, but don't worry about that now).  L You want to make SYS$INPUT point to the terminal explicitly.  TT: is handilyG supplied as by the system to be the name of the terminal in the current  session.   $ ! THIS IS MENU.COM $ DEFINE SYS$INPUT TT:" $ RUN OPT:[PROG.PASCAL.DIV]ALC.EXE     -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:03:42 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: Running Image From Procedure + Message-ID: <43993A38.4C8A1F3@teksavvy.com>    Volker Englisch wrote: > $! THIS IS MENU.COM $ > $ RUN OPT:[PROG.PASCAL.DIV]ALC.EXE > / > the program immediately terminates and shows:  > 3 > %PAS-F-GETAFTEOF, GET attempted after end-of-file ) >   File "INPUT"  Filename "SYS$INPUT:.;"  > Choose (B)eer or (W)ine: > 7 > It looks like SYS$INPUT is detached from the terminal     C The driver does not support alchool while it is driving :-) :-) :-)   G When running from a command procedure, the default SYS$INPUT is to read  from the command procedure.    $! THIS IS MENU.COM " $ RUN OPT:[PROG.PASCAL.DIV]ALC.EXE Wine $! End of the input stream  , If you wish to have input from the terminal: $! THIS IS MENU.COM  $define/user sys$input TT " $ RUN OPT:[PROG.PASCAL.DIV]ALC.EXE $!    C "TT" is a logical that points to the terminal. So SYS$INPUT will be C defined to point to the terminal for the duration of the next image G invocation and will revert to its old definition upon image exiting.  (   /USER is "user mode" definition)    H Note that should this be run as a batch job, it would fail because there; would not be an input stream. You could have the following:    $! THIS IS MENU.COM 9 $IF F$MODE() .nes. "BATCH"  THEN DEFINE/USER SYS$INPUT TT " $ RUN OPT:[PROG.PASCAL.DIV]ALC.EXE Wine $!  H This way, "Wine" would be a default option should this procedure executeA from batch (the program would read it from the input stream). But D interactively, it would read from the terminal. (However, upon imageD exit, DCL would complain about "Wine" not being a legal DCL command.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:44:52 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>) Subject: Re: Running Image From Procedure . Message-ID: <439935F4.16191.4082713@localhost>  - On 9 Dec 2005 at 7:43, Volker Englisch wrote: > > My intention was to write a DCL procedure that controls whatE > executable image is to be called at what time. The executables were G > written in Cobol or Pascal. When running the executables from the DCL ' > prompt manually, they work perfectly.   # You need to do something like this:   % $ DEFINE/USER SYS$COMMAND SYS$OUTPUT: " $ RUN OPT:[PROG.PASCAL.DIV]ALC.EXE  F This will allow your interactive input (SYS$COMMAND) to come from the 	 terminal.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:36:49 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com) Subject: Re: Running Image From Procedure Q Message-ID: <OF337370D0.76B21CA4-ON852570D2.004A6D4C-852570D2.004AC892@metso.com>   I "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote on 12/09/2005 07:44:52  AM:   / > On 9 Dec 2005 at 7:43, Volker Englisch wrote: @ > > My intention was to write a DCL procedure that controls whatG > > executable image is to be called at what time. The executables were I > > written in Cobol or Pascal. When running the executables from the DCL ) > > prompt manually, they work perfectly.  > % > You need to do something like this:  > ' > $ DEFINE/USER SYS$COMMAND SYS$OUTPUT:   8 Well, more like this (How did SYS$OUTPUT get injected?):  # $ DEFINE/USER SYS$INPUT SYS$COMMAND    although   $ DEFINE/USER SYS$INPUT TT   will work for terminals.  ? The /USER will last while running exactly one executable image, ? so it needs to be repeated if and when you want to run another.   $ > $ RUN OPT:[PROG.PASCAL.DIV]ALC.EXE > G > This will allow your interactive input (SYS$COMMAND) to come from the  > terminal.  >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------/ > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 5 > 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 2 > stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com+ > "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:21:56 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) ) Subject: Re: Running Image From Procedure / Message-ID: <oihmf.368$ui.190@news.cpqcorp.net>   Q In article <OF337370D0.76B21CA4-ON852570D2.004A6D4C-852570D2.004AC892@metso.com>,   norm.raphael@metso.com writes:    ..& >> You need to do something like this: >>( >> $ DEFINE/USER SYS$COMMAND SYS$OUTPUT: > 9 >Well, more like this (How did SYS$OUTPUT get injected?):  ..  D Because of its english language meaning, we think of SYS$OUTPUP for H writing, not reading.  However, it is really nothing more than a logicalH name that points to a device.  When the device is a terminal, it is both readable and writable.  K When I want to read from an interactive terminal, I tend to use SYS$OUTPUT. H Since SYS$OUTPUT always points to the teminal in an interactive process,N this just makes thins really simple, once one gets over the issue of "reading" from and "output" file.     G (I have no doubt that someone will find a situation in which SYS$OUTPUT L does NOT point the the terminal.  I've never run into this in an interactiveF process.  If you do, then reading from SYS$OUTPUT may not work in that situation.)    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2005 07:32:13 -0800 2 From: "Gerald_Marsh" <gerald.marsh@barclays.co.uk>A Subject: Re: SDA> TCPIP SHO DEV/PORT=n/SOCK displays no BG device C Message-ID: <1134142333.747491.100040@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Joe Bloggs wrote: 2 > On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:55:51 +0000, Gerald Marsh1 > <marsh_family-spam.me.not@btconnect.com> wrote:  >  > G > >SDA>TCPIP SHO DEV/PORT=n/SOCK shows some big hex number and a socket 1 > >in FIN_WAIT_2. The BG device no longer exists.  >  > perhaps try this:  >  > TCPIP> help disc dev ex  > DISCONNECT >   DEVICE_SOCKET  >     Examples, >        TCPIP> DISCONNECT DEVICE_SOCKET BG3? >           Interactively terminates the connection at  ... BG3   D Thanks for the suggestion but the BG device no longer exisits - It's& replaced by an eight-digit hex number.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2005 07:45:38 -0800 2 From: "Gerald_Marsh" <gerald.marsh@barclays.co.uk>A Subject: Re: SDA> TCPIP SHO DEV/PORT=n/SOCK displays no BG device C Message-ID: <1134143138.914035.319050@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E I've managed to replicate the problem on the OpenVMS system using the E noddy client and server programs supplied with TCPIP Services. I just B put a big wait in the client before closing the socket. The serverC sends the test string and exits ok - It's socket is in Closewt. The ' client immediately goes into FIN_WAIT2.   D If I kill the terminal emulation session, the socket closes ok afterC going into TIME_WAIT for a few minutes. However, if I establish the E same situation from a PC (NT4) using a Java client then the FIN_WAIT2 & persists - even if I power off the PC!E (Java class was cross-compiled from OpenVMS - File transfer was a bit # of a git but it worked eventually!) C Tried setting KEEPALIVE option but that hasn't made any difference.   > I'll have a look after the weekend to see if it has timed out.  ( Bye for now and thanks for the comments,   Gerald.        Gerald Marsh wrote:  > Hello VMSers > H > Here's a cracker which maybe should be targetted at the TCPIP brigade. > 
 > Scenario...  > H > OpenVMS process running happilly receiving messages via TCP/IP from NT > box. > 7 > Process fails to respond to messages from NT system - - > TCPIP> SHO DEV/PORT=n shows no such device.  > A > After much web and newsgroups searching, a better command of...  > F > SDA>TCPIP SHO DEV/PORT=n/SOCK shows some big hex number and a socket0 > in FIN_WAIT_2. The BG device no longer exists. > F > The OpenVMS listener can be STOP/ID'd and refuses to restart because5 > of a"addrinuser" error - 48, if I recall correctly.  > C > After some random time the situation resolves itselfs - somewhere F > between 42 mins (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, springs to mind!)H > but can go up to over an hour. No TPCIP Services timer seems to relateE > to this and the supplier of the application - both OpenVMS and NT -  > cannot explain it either!  > A > My intellectual capacity cannot handle the well published state C > diagrams and apply them to our situation.: The socket seems to be D > awaiting a FIN from the other side and then should send it an ACK.@ > Some research of the relevant RFC's suggest the damn thing canE > legitimately stay in the FIN_WAIT_2 state for ever as the app could C > expect to process real info. Cannot undertand that it the app has  > called a close()!  > H > The supplier - who is very responsive on this but a bit flummoxed - isD > going to go through formal channels but I'm hoping to contact thatA > strange combination of a VMS Systems Manager and IP specialist!   > (One of the many black arts??) >  >   > Keep theOpenVMS flag a'flying, > 	 > Gerald.  >  > Gerald Marsh > 6 > gerald -at_Sign- cyfer -dot- demon -dot- co -dot- uk. > (And I really get miffed having to do that!)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.685 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            uAxu~kܧi|gm+叼t0ǟ	(6dq2F 
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