1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 10 Dec 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 686       Contents: Re: DFG (Defrag) - OpenVMS6 Re: Extreme backup slowdown after ECO updates (V7.3-1). Re: Help with Storageworks Drive/BA364 problem. Re: Help with Storageworks Drive/BA364 problem. Re: Help with Storageworks Drive/BA364 problem. Re: Help with Storageworks Drive/BA364 problem/ Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today  Re: HP's 4Q FY05 results Re: HP's 4Q FY05 results" Re: M e z e i kooks out again.....) Re: Need model number for Infoserver-1000   Re: Running Image From Procedure  Re: Running Image From Procedure  Re: Running Image From Procedure  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 22:43:04 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler># Subject: Re: DFG (Defrag) - OpenVMS D Message-ID: <craigberry-28EE34.22430409122005@news.isp.giganews.com>  F In article <43999a19$0$28638$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>,A  caaron@ceris.purdue-dot-edu.no-spam.invalid (Chuck Aaron) wrote:   < > %DFG-F-SYSSRVERR, call to system service SYS$EXPREG failed+ > -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded   D I believe with DFG this generally means you are out of file headers F (yeah, not the most informative message).  As far as I know, the only G way to fix this is to create an image backup of the disk, reinitialize  C using INITIALIZE/HEADERS=nnn where nnn is a bigger number than you  6 currently have, then restore with BACKUP/NOINITIALIZE.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2005 15:59:32 -0800 ( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>? Subject: Re: Extreme backup slowdown after ECO updates (V7.3-1) C Message-ID: <1134172772.671776.262360@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F The failed tape drive was replaced today, and significant testing doneD to the new (refurb) unit.  The HP engineer asked us to try differentF tapes, including one he brought, to eliminate the possibility of a badE batch of media.  Same results on the new Sony 125s, a Maxell 125, and  the engineers DEC 60M tape.   G Backup to the tape runs quickly.  Verification runs dirt slow, with the D tape drive making lots of interesting noises, and possibly rewindingE every few files.  Small files see a burst of 10-20 then a long pause, - then another burst; long files see far fewer.   D Backups were done with blocksize 8192 and 32256, no difference.  TheB one set we allowed to complete verification (due to the engineer'sE limited time) took 90 seconds for the backup (124,000 blocks), and 14 F minutes for verification, with a large number of media and recoverable- errors (none logged in the system error log).   E Since this is three tape drives in a row giving the same results with F several new and used tapes, and no other errors or problems showing upE (disk on the same controller is fine, fast), we're working on getting A HP to connect to the system to diagnose the problem.  Still would D appreciate any info or thoughts, or if anyone has seen problems like$ this before on a V7.3-1 Alpha system   Rich   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2005 12:13:18 -0800  From: mcbill20@yahoo.com7 Subject: Re: Help with Storageworks Drive/BA364 problem C Message-ID: <1134159198.690580.250240@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   G Thanks. I'll see if the machine has enough slots to get a second KZPBA. C Right now I have that, plus the slower NCR one for my CDROM and DLT G drive. In the mean time I may take the Alpha apart, take one of the new E drives out of it's box, put it inside in order to install an OS. Then G I'll try putting it back in the Storageworks box and see if the machine D boots without any internal drives connected. If that works I'll grab another card from Island.    Thanks.  Bill   Richard Brodie wrote: 9 > "Steven M. Schweda" <sms@antinode.org> wrote in message . > news:05120817210608_2038971B@antinode.org... > H > >> You mentioned that the Qlogic controller must either be internal or- > >> external only. Is this documented? [...]  > > K > >   QLogic tends to say that you can use any two SCSI connectors, but not I > > all three.  VMS tends to say that you can use any one SCSI connector.  > M > You're just too likely to blow the bus length budget otherwise: 1.5m total, H > assuming it's a KZPBA-CA. Replacing a Fast drive with an Ultra one hasI > probably pushed it over the edge: it might work if pka0_mode was set to M > fast instead of ultra. Breaking the configuration rules first, then winding  > the I > clock up later, is a pretty common failure mode, and not just for SCSI.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:28:32 -0500- From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> 7 Subject: Re: Help with Storageworks Drive/BA364 problem I Message-ID: <8660a3a10512091428m3bd87dc9g4443220cfc32f9fd@mail.gmail.com>   L On 9 Dec 2005 12:13:18 -0800, mcbill20@yahoo.com <mcbill20@yahoo.com> wrote= : I > Thanks. I'll see if the machine has enough slots to get a second KZPBA. E > Right now I have that, plus the slower NCR one for my CDROM and DLT  > drive.   OMG!  ; You're running a DLT off of an NCR53C810 or whatever it is?  Narrow SCSI?   What KIND of DLT?    WWWebb  @ In the mean time I may take the Alpha apart, take one of the newG > drives out of it's box, put it inside in order to install an OS. Then I > I'll try putting it back in the Storageworks box and see if the machine . > boots without any internal drives connected.  C It's the fact that you have the internal ribbon CABLE on it [making 0 your bus too long].  Not what's connected to it.   If that works I'll grab  > another card from Island.   % Island's a good place to do business.   2 David, if you're lurking, my cables arrived today.   > 	 > Thanks.  > Bill >  > Richard Brodie wrote: ; > > "Steven M. Schweda" <sms@antinode.org> wrote in message 0 > > news:05120817210608_2038971B@antinode.org... > > J > > >> You mentioned that the Qlogic controller must either be internal or/ > > >> external only. Is this documented? [...]  > > > L > > >   QLogic tends to say that you can use any two SCSI connectors, but n= otK > > > all three.  VMS tends to say that you can use any one SCSI connector.  > > L > > You're just too likely to blow the bus length budget otherwise: 1.5m to= tal,J > > assuming it's a KZPBA-CA. Replacing a Fast drive with an Ultra one hasK > > probably pushed it over the edge: it might work if pka0_mode was set to L > > fast instead of ultra. Breaking the configuration rules first, then win= ding > > the K > > clock up later, is a pretty common failure mode, and not just for SCSI.  >  >      --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2005 16:16:58 -0800  From: mcbill20@yahoo.com7 Subject: Re: Help with Storageworks Drive/BA364 problem C Message-ID: <1134173818.491221.199870@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    William Webb wrote: N > On 9 Dec 2005 12:13:18 -0800, mcbill20@yahoo.com <mcbill20@yahoo.com> wrote:K > > Thanks. I'll see if the machine has enough slots to get a second KZPBA. G > > Right now I have that, plus the slower NCR one for my CDROM and DLT 
 > > drive. >  > OMG! > = > You're running a DLT off of an NCR53C810 or whatever it is?  > Narrow SCSI? >  > What KIND of DLT?   # It's a TZ87. I also have a DLT4000.    >  > WWWebb > B > In the mean time I may take the Alpha apart, take one of the newI > > drives out of it's box, put it inside in order to install an OS. Then K > > I'll try putting it back in the Storageworks box and see if the machine 0 > > boots without any internal drives connected. > E > It's the fact that you have the internal ribbon CABLE on it [making 2 > your bus too long].  Not what's connected to it. >  > If that works I'll grab  > > another card from Island.  > ' > Island's a good place to do business.   C I wholeheartedly agree. I've had nothing but excellent service with D everything I've gotten from Island. Unfortunately, the environment IF work in has very little VMS now so the only orders I place with Island: are occasional small items for my machines in my basement.  G BTW, someone had asked in an earlier post about what the console showed E for these drives. Last night I took down the machine and tested that.   D For those unfamiliar with BA364's, they have four Storageworks slotsC and each slot has it's SCSI address assigned by a group of four dip E switches. The last working configuration I had was an RZ29 in the top F slot and a TZ87 below it. Unfortunately, the TZ87 takes up three slots& so I had to pull drives when using it.  E When I had the RZ29 in the top slot (SCSI ID 6), it shoed up fine and C also worked with VMS. When I added one of the new drives to a lower G slot (SCSI ID 2 or 4), it did not even show up when I typed SHOW DEV at F the console prompt. However, when I put the new drive in the top slot,E it did show up. However, when I booted VMS and attempted to mount the G drive, the lights would flas a couple of times and then I would get the  "media is offline" error.   B When I tried putting both new drives in the top slots, neither one  showed up at the console level.    Regards, Bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:15:14 -0500 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> 7 Subject: Re: Help with Storageworks Drive/BA364 problem H Message-ID: <8660a3a10512092115va71dc09xb65a26f8e9897b52@mail.gmail.com>  L On 9 Dec 2005 16:16:58 -0800, mcbill20@yahoo.com <mcbill20@yahoo.com> wrote= :  >  > William Webb wrote: L > > On 9 Dec 2005 12:13:18 -0800, mcbill20@yahoo.com <mcbill20@yahoo.com> w= rote: L > > > Thanks. I'll see if the machine has enough slots to get a second KZPB= A.I > > > Right now I have that, plus the slower NCR one for my CDROM and DLT  > > > drive. > >  > > OMG! > > ? > > You're running a DLT off of an NCR53C810 or whatever it is?  > > Narrow SCSI? > >  > > What KIND of DLT?  > % > It's a TZ87. I also have a DLT4000.  >   L Yeah, but it's kind of like running around with your gear shift stuck in se= cond. I These drives would be much, much happier with something wider and faster.   G In fact, I'm surprised you haven't had problems with loss of streaming.    > > 
 > > WWWebb > > D > > In the mean time I may take the Alpha apart, take one of the newF > > > drives out of it's box, put it inside in order to install an OS.  # Think carefully before you do this.   J You'll get an unpleasant surprise if you open up an UltraWide brick, which the 36GB disk probably is.  J Instead of the 68-pin VHDC connector like the one you'd find in an RZ28-VWL  or RZ29-VW,  the disk drive will have an Ultra connector (power and SCSI b= usC all rolled into one) and in order to use it, you'll have to find an  Ultra to 68 pin L converter which will run you about $20 for each Ultra drive you wish to unb= ox..   How do I know this?   J I have two of them inside my PW433au (which has more drives mounted insideE of it than either God or d|i|g|i|t|a|l intended--  requiring tweaking  of not only J mounting rails but also the number of SCSI connectors on the ribbon cable.   WWW (more below)   ThenL > > > I'll try putting it back in the Storageworks box and see if the machi= ne2 > > > boots without any internal drives connected. > > G > > It's the fact that you have the internal ribbon CABLE on it [making 4 > > your bus too long].  Not what's connected to it. > >  > > If that works I'll grab  > > > another card from Island.  > > ) > > Island's a good place to do business.  > E > I wholeheartedly agree. I've had nothing but excellent service with F > everything I've gotten from Island. Unfortunately, the environment IH > work in has very little VMS now so the only orders I place with Island< > are occasional small items for my machines in my basement. > I > BTW, someone had asked in an earlier post about what the console showed G > for these drives. Last night I took down the machine and tested that.  > F > For those unfamiliar with BA364's, they have four Storageworks slotsE > and each slot has it's SCSI address assigned by a group of four dip G > switches. The last working configuration I had was an RZ29 in the top H > slot and a TZ87 below it. Unfortunately, the TZ87 takes up three slots( > so I had to pull drives when using it. > G > When I had the RZ29 in the top slot (SCSI ID 6), it shoed up fine and E > also worked with VMS. When I added one of the new drives to a lower I > slot (SCSI ID 2 or 4), it did not even show up when I typed SHOW DEV at H > the console prompt. However, when I put the new drive in the top slot,G > it did show up. However, when I booted VMS and attempted to mount the I > drive, the lights would flas a couple of times and then I would get the  > "media is offline" error.  > E I was thinking that chain position might matter considering the speed K difference between drives, but we weren't that far along in the discussion.   D > When I tried putting both new drives in the top slots, neither one! > showed up at the console level.  > 
 > Regards, > Bill >  >    One last thing:   + Check the SCSI address setting on your HBA.    From Console:  show pk*    should give you something like:    pka0_disconnect  1 pka0_fast        1 pka0_host_id     6  > If you type set pka0_host_id 7, followed by an init, it should+ reset the host id for that controller to 7.    HTH,   WWWebb   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2005 19:00:08 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march todayC Message-ID: <1134183608.704584.135690@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   
 Lurker wrote: A > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message ' > news:4397A2A3.1A9C358A@comcast.net...  > > AEF wrote:< > > > So threatening to do an illegal strike is negotiating? > > J > > Try to grasp this: when negotiating fails, methods of last resort comeE > > into play, illegal/unconstitutional legislation not withstanding.  > A > So, according to your logic, if a man tries to "negotiate" with = > a woman and she flatly refuses, it's alright to rape her as ? > "methods of last resort come into play". Or at least threaten 
 > to do that.   A This is an unfair tactic. I wouldn't touch this with a pulverized B 300-baud line! Any direct response to this used to argue about the? subject at hand could be subject to incorrect and very negative  interpretation.   - (Or are you just trying to kill this thread?)   D It's also unfair on another level. One could just as easily bring up@ speeding. Someone could drive 53 mph in a 50 mph zone. Is that a horrible crime? I think not!  D Not that I accept David's argument. Unions get their power from lawsA that are passed by legislatures elected by the people, no? So the A unions, by going on strike, are hurting the whole city, including F people that vote for legislators who make laws that allow the union toE exist in the first place. And said people and laws have made it clear F that a strike will not be tolerated. The Taylor Law provides some veryF stiff fines. If there is a strike, hopefully the law will be enforced.  ? > Have you ever grasped the highly complex idea of [il]legality ( > and why it's there in the first place?  E Laws are not perfect. They are not written by infinitely wise people. G Nor are the intentions of lawmakers always pure and good. Some laws are  bad.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:15:15 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ! Subject: Re: HP's 4Q FY05 results ( Message-ID: <ops1jkbpxazgicya@hyrrokkin>  0 On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:31:39 GMT, Keith Parris  % <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:    > Tom Linden wrote:  > 8 >> On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:41:22 GMT, Keith Parris wrote:I >>> Industry-Standard Servers (ISS) revenue was up nearly 12% over last   G >>> year. Storage revenue sustained the momentum it began in Q3, with   C >>> record revenue of $932 million, 17% higher than last year. HP   H >>> Integrity server revenue was up 70% over the same quarter last year. >>K >> The results are rather opaque.  ISS up 12% to what?  HP Integrity ... up  >> 17% to what? 5 I meant to what amount. I know it was yoy comparison.  > : > Compared with the same quarter (Q4) of last fiscal year. > G > And it was Storage which had the figure of 17% higher. HP Integrity   @ > Servers were up 70% compared with the same quarter a year ago.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:12:51 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>! Subject: Re: HP's 4Q FY05 results = Message-ID: <EK6dnTmwKsF47AfeRVn-iA@metrocastcablevision.com>    Alan Greig wrote:    ...   H > Any reason you decided to omit the fact that BCS (that's us) was down J > due to the increase in Itanium sales being exceeded by drop in sales of  > Alpha and PA-RISC?  I Itanic boosters have a great deal of difficulty coming to grips with the  G fact that their Great White Hope can barely maintain sales parity with  B PA-RISC (combined rising Itanic/falling PA-RISC HP-UX sales being E largely flat, at best keeping up with the overall Unix market).  And  = when you add in the fact that on average Alpha customers are  E considerably less enthusiastic about taking a voyage on the Itanic -    well, the results aren't pretty.   ...   @ >> HP Integrity server revenue was up 70% over the same quarter  >> last year.   F Now, *that's* the number they like to quote, never mind the fact that @ it's mostly due to replacement HP-UX sales (plus the inevitable F tag-along sales to customers who feel that having committed to Itanic F for HP-UX they might as well buy a few to run Windows and/or Linux as I well) rather than anything resembling real market penetration in its own   merits.    >  > J > Was up 70% over the same quarter last year but was down on the previous J > quarter IIRC. The delay to dual core Itanics will likely dent this even 
 > further.   Indeed.   =   Market analysts appear to be of the opinion that HP Itanium 0 > sales have already peaked and are now falling.  F Not necessarily:  there are a *lot* of HP-UX customers out there, and I some reasonable percentage of them will likely continue to migrate until  F such time as they can no longer ignore the very real possibility that E they would be migrating to just as dead an end as PA-RISC already is.   F So the number worth watching to ascertain whether any *real* industry E acceptance is occurring will continue to be the Itanic/PA-RISC/Alpha  E total - even if Itanic sales do manage to continue to rise for a bit  D longer (though the latest 6+ month Montecito slip combined with its E significantly reduced performance to look forward to when it finally  H *does* ship does make even that less likely:  IBM's 'X3' Xeon platforms H are already beating the best Itanic can offer on a per-core basis up to H relatively large - 16-to-32-processor - systems, Unisys Xeon boxes have H started to do likewise at a far lower price point, and Opteron is about H to start entering that market segment as well, so by the time Montecito B staggers onto the stage it may only have a bit part left to play).   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:21:38 -0500/ From: "Geoffrey Welsh" <reply@newsgroup.please> + Subject: Re: M e z e i kooks out again..... 4 Message-ID: <e8040$4399e75c$cf7045a6$7710@PRIMUS.CA>   Gregory Morrow wrote:  > Nomen Nescio wrote:  > [...] A > Oh my, is all this stuff *really* true?  Pretty wierd if it is!   I It's rude enough to quote an entire long message just to add one line of  J commentary but you had to quote in its entirety the pollution that 99% of < the readers of these groups had blocked.  Thanks, you moron.   --  < Geoffrey Welsh <Geoffrey [dot] Welsh [at] bigfoot [dot] com>: Never leave until tomorrow what can wait until next week.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2005 11:11:15 -0800 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> 2 Subject: Re: Need model number for Infoserver-1000C Message-ID: <1134155474.947070.157940@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:D > I'm trying to get a hardware maintenance contract from HP.  One ofF >    my systems, an Infoserver-1000, has the following model number on
 >    its tag:  >  >       70-30343-03. A02 > = >    HP claims that "703034303A" is not a valid model number.  > C >    Is this a punctuation problem, or is HP looking for some other  >    number?  D The "70-30343-03" is the part number.  "A02" is the revision.  UsingG Google and poking around a bit indicates the model number for that part B might be "SEADA-AS" which sounds close.  The Infoserver line modelC numbers all start with SEAD AFAIK.  I have an Infotower (Infoserver B 1000 in a tower case with up to 7 CD drives) whose model number isD SEADB-SS.  You might look in an old SOC (System and Options Catalog)@ from the mid/early 90's and the Infoserver1000 should be listed.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2005 17:44:20 GMT ( From: volkeren@rsli.de (Volker Englisch)) Subject: Re: Running Image From Procedure * Message-ID: <dncfpk$a1a$3@rrz.allgaeu.org>   Volker Englisch wrot:  > $! THIS IS MENU.COM $ > $ RUN OPT:[PROG.PASCAL.DIV]ALC.EXE > 3 > %PAS-F-GETAFTEOF, GET attempted after end-of-file ( >  File "INPUT"  Filename "SYS$INPUT:.;" > Choose (B)eer or (W)ine:   > 8 > It looks like SYS$INPUT is detached from the terminal?  D Thanks to all, whether TT or SYS$COMMAND was suggested. I'm still in the phase of learning...   V.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2005 17:42:37 GMT ( From: volkeren@rsli.de (Volker Englisch)) Subject: Re: Running Image From Procedure * Message-ID: <dncfmd$a1a$2@rrz.allgaeu.org>   JF Mezei schrieb:  > Volker Englisch wrote: >> $! THIS IS MENU.COM% >> $ RUN OPT:[PROG.PASCAL.DIV]ALC.EXE  >>  0 >> the program immediately terminates and shows: >>  4 >> %PAS-F-GETAFTEOF, GET attempted after end-of-file* >>   File "INPUT"  Filename "SYS$INPUT:.;" >> Choose (B)eer or (W)ine:  >>  8 >> It looks like SYS$INPUT is detached from the terminal > E > The driver does not support alchool while it is driving :-) :-) :-)   E You got it, it is just a test to calculate the _approximate_ level of  fitness for driving ;-)    > $! THIS IS MENU.COM ; > $IF F$MODE() .nes. "BATCH"  THEN DEFINE/USER SYS$INPUT TT $ > $ RUN OPT:[PROG.PASCAL.DIV]ALC.EXE > Wine > $! > J > This way, "Wine" would be a default option should this procedure executeC > from batch (the program would read it from the input stream). But F > interactively, it would read from the terminal. (However, upon imageF > exit, DCL would complain about "Wine" not being a legal DCL command.  C Thanks for this suggestion. Well, for there are some more questions E left to answer to that image, batch execution will not be allowed nor B was it reasonable. But under different circumstances, it's good to know.    V.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2005 17:38:33 GMT ( From: volkeren@rsli.de (Volker Englisch)) Subject: Re: Running Image From Procedure * Message-ID: <dncfep$a1a$1@rrz.allgaeu.org>   Charlie Hammond schrieb:  > norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > ..' >>> You need to do something like this:  >>> ) >>> $ DEFINE/USER SYS$COMMAND SYS$OUTPUT:  >>: >>Well, more like this (How did SYS$OUTPUT get injected?): > .. > A > When I want to read from an interactive terminal, I tend to use A > SYS$OUTPUT. Since SYS$OUTPUT always points to the teminal in an D > interactive process, this just makes thins really simple, once one: > gets over the issue of "reading" from and "output" file.  A Interesting approach. It sounds somehow senseful, though it's not  really logical. Thanks.    V.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.686 ************************