1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 18 Dec 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 703       Contents: AX5  Re: AX5  Re: AX5 ) BACKUP: suggestion for HELP/documentation C RE: Clustering (was:  Re: HP announces new Integrity Blade Servers) C Re: Clustering (was:  Re: HP announces new Integrity Blade Servers) C RE: Clustering (was:  Re: HP announces new Integrity Blade Servers)  Re: Database access from COBOL Re: Database access from COBOL' Dynamically moving a disk to a new disk 7 Re: illegal blowjobs by Ottawa pedophile Darrell Larose  Re: monitoring VMS log files Re: MSCP transfer rates  Re: MSCP transfer rates  Re: MSCP transfer rates " Re: QBUS DHV11 in VAX 4000-600/200  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:57:55 +0100 ) From: "gl@decadence.it" <gl@decadence.it>  Subject: AX59 Message-ID: <pan.2005.12.18.17.57.55.352256@decadence.it>    Hello   G I'm curious about CompAmerica's AX5 operating system which claims to be I derivated from VMS. I'm looking around the internet for some information,  but could find nothing.   E Searching for AX5+VMS on google only produces a few links, mainly are E french blogs and one is a very famous italian IT news site (famous in  Italy, of course) G But I cannont find any tech paper nor any information on american sites % which says AX5 is derivated from VMS.   K It sound very strange to me, since CompAmerica's cheap PCs seems to be x86. D Maybe someone knows better the story and could tell me, I'm curious.J Or maybe someone has bought a PC from CompAmerica and has tried the famous AX5. So, what is it?    Thanks!  gl :)    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2005 18:34:23 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: AX5, Message-ID: <40lodfF1agsvbU2@individual.net>  9 In article <pan.2005.12.18.17.57.55.352256@decadence.it>, , 	"gl@decadence.it" <gl@decadence.it> writes: > Hello  > I > I'm curious about CompAmerica's AX5 operating system which claims to be K > derivated from VMS. I'm looking around the internet for some information,  > but could find nothing.  > G > Searching for AX5+VMS on google only produces a few links, mainly are G > french blogs and one is a very famous italian IT news site (famous in  > Italy, of course) I > But I cannont find any tech paper nor any information on american sites ' > which says AX5 is derivated from VMS.  > M > It sound very strange to me, since CompAmerica's cheap PCs seems to be x86. F > Maybe someone knows better the story and could tell me, I'm curious.L > Or maybe someone has bought a PC from CompAmerica and has tried the famous > AX5. > So, what is it?  > 	 > Thanks!  > gl :)   F I found a French site that mentioned VMS but it looks to me like it is> actually just another "Let's make Linux look like Windows" OS.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:17:52 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: AX5+ Message-ID: <43A5A7D0.B0FFE00D@comcast.net>    "gl@decadence.it" wrote: >  > Hello  > I > I'm curious about CompAmerica's AX5 operating system which claims to be K > derivated from VMS. I'm looking around the internet for some information,  > but could find nothing.  > G > Searching for AX5+VMS on google only produces a few links, mainly are G > french blogs and one is a very famous italian IT news site (famous in  > Italy, of course) I > But I cannont find any tech paper nor any information on american sites ' > which says AX5 is derivated from VMS.  > M > It sound very strange to me, since CompAmerica's cheap PCs seems to be x86. F > Maybe someone knows better the story and could tell me, I'm curious.L > Or maybe someone has bought a PC from CompAmerica and has tried the famous > AX5. > So, what is it?   H I searched the links found by Yahoo using "CompAmerica AX5" and found no mention of VMS.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:21:54 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: BACKUP: suggestion for HELP/documentation+ Message-ID: <43A59AB0.CF5B688@teksavvy.com>   G In the online HELP for BACKUP, there really needs to be documenation on  wildcard nomemclature.  E I recently spent much time fiddling with various incantations only to 7 find out that a disk to disk non image backup requires:   ! BACKUP disk1:[*...]   disk2:[...]   H Also, whenever I restore files from a save set, it is never obvious whatD wildcarding incantation is required to place the files in the outputH disk (either all in same directory, in the original directory structure,J or the original directory structure created under a new directory etc etc.  A If one restored files every day, one might remember those magical H incantations of wildcards, but I don't do this every day, and whenever IH need to use it, I end up wasting a lot of time making different attempts4 with /LOG to see where it ends up placing the files.  ? Heck, one of the incatations I had tried ended up creating SOME  subdirectories and others not.  
 for instance: ; [000000.ALLIN1]                    went to  [000000.ALLIN1] ? [000000.ALLIN1.ADMIN_DATA]         went to  [000000.ADMIN_DATA] D [000000.ALLIN1.ADMIN_DATA.TEMP]    went to  [000000.ADMIN_DATA.TEMP]   not very logical !!!!   H And the help should also mention that when doing a non image disk backupE , you should have /EXCLUDE=[000000]*.SYS (or use /NOREPLACE to ensure + you don't zap the control files in the MFD)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:37:55 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> L Subject: RE: Clustering (was:  Re: HP announces new Integrity Blade Servers)R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB77370A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----$ > From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu=20A > [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon ! > Sent: December 16, 2005 8:57 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com = > Subject: Clustering (was: Re: HP announces new Integrity=20  > Blade Servers) >=20 > In article=20 @ > <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB773691@tayexc19.americas.cpqc > orp.net>, , > 	"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > >=20G > >                         As I recall there was a university that ran 1 > > something like 120 WS's/servers in a cluster.  > >=20 >=20; > This brings up an interesting question (at least for me!)  >=20G > You mentioned WS's above and I assume that means WorkStations.  What, B > if anything, would be the advantage of building a cluster of,=20 > let's say,E > 2 multi-processor Vaxen like I currently have in the department and F > a dozen or so VS3100's?  Could all the VS3100's run diskless gettingB > all their support from the HSJ served disks on the big boxes?=20 >  Assuming E > the cluster traffic was all on a private ethernet and access to the D > world was only through the two big boxes would performance be goodF > enough?  Is there something important I missed because I really have@ > no idea how a VMS Cluster works, never having built one but=20
 > considering = > it now. (Especially if it can make the whole system more=20  > visible locally!)  >=20? > Then, of course, would come the biggest question.  Does HP=20  > have a bunchA > of fully loaded VS3100's with big monitors that they want to=20  > truck up here 9 > as a donation so I can build a this dream VAX lab.  :-)  >=20 > bill >=20 > --=20 B > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. =20 > Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |E > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>  =20  >=20   Bill,   @ What is happening in the industry right now will be a really bigC deja-vue for those of us with grey hair and/or are willing to admit 0 supporting computer systems approx 15 years ago.  ? The hottest topic as the target environment that many med-large H Customers want to move to is called "shared services". This is a conceptF whereby the business units (BU's) do not have the ability to order andF buy anything they want, but rather depend on a central shared servicesG group to deliver a pre-defined set of services using SLA's as the means A to measure where service level objectives are being met. The BU's H dictate their requirements, and the IT group develops a solution to meetH those requirements in the most cost-effective manner following corporateG standards and in such a way that they also meet governmental regulatory ' and compliance requirements as well.=20   B This means that if there is enough compute capacity on server A orF server B or Cluster XYZ, then new additional systems are *not* orderedD and a great deal of savings is recognized by the company as a whole.B Reduces over IT costs by maximizing server utilization and ensures> standards and consistency are achieved throughout the company.  D This is a big driver for VMware in the Windows world these days, butA that uses OS stacking which means you still need to manage and do = monthly security patches for many individual OS instances.=20   E Now, this shared service org needs to really do their homework and be H very sensitive to end user requirements because as soon as they start toH fall behind, the BU's will start screaming for the control over IT to be returned to them.   G The technology being adopted by these shared service org's is that of a G Web browser accessing a set of pre-defined application services running G on a set of back end servers that is extremely highly available and end H users do not even know what server or what datacenter is servicing their connection requests.  F Even Microsoft, as part of a recent major re-org stated that what theyG called "hosted services" will be a major play for them in coming years.   ! Now, why is all of this deja-vue?   G Replace the web browser with a dumb terminal with a browser and you are @ left with a state of the art technology called .... timesharing.   :-)    Regards    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:06:35 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> L Subject: Re: Clustering (was:  Re: HP announces new Integrity Blade Servers), Message-ID: <43A5971A.ADA4454D@teksavvy.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:   I > Replace the web browser with a dumb terminal with a browser and you are B > left with a state of the art technology called .... timesharing. >  > :-)     @ Actually, the web browser interface is far more akin to IBM 32704 terminals running CICS  than to VT terminals on VMS.  G Under CICS, while the user is typing away, there is no connection to an G application at the other end. It is only when the user presses ENTER or C a PF key that the screen contents (aka FORM in HTML) is sent to the < application defined inside the screen.  The application must> re-establish context based on information about that terminal.    E What Gates will have to do is either run WORD as a JAVA app hosted by G the web browser (where the only transactions are done for OPEN and SAVE A operations), or do something like Xwindows which provides greater 3 interactivity, but requires high speed connections.   H In terms of shifting back to centrally provided IT, this only happens inG areas where the central IT department has proven its competenace in new E technologies and can deliver faster/cheaper than departmental groups.   A Remember that what caused wintel server growth was the central IT E department's inability to deploy enterprise "modern" applications and G support them rapidly, resisting new platforms and wanting everything to 1 remain on the IBM mainframe using 3270 terminals.   G When I worked for a bank in early 1990s, the big challenge for them was E to find a way to transfer a file from their mainframes to PCs used by C bank tellers in branches. All they had was SNA and they didn't want A anything else. Ethernet was alien to them, and TCPIP was only for M universities (remember that they live based on what their IBM rep told them).   F So understandably, department deployed their own PC based applicationsF because the central IT was unable and unwilling to deploy modern apps.B It is only when things got out of hand that central IT woke up and( started to assert some leadership again.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2005 11:15:20 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) L Subject: RE: Clustering (was:  Re: HP announces new Integrity Blade Servers)3 Message-ID: <TYJe3zsA1SxX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB77370A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:  B > What is happening in the industry right now will be a really bigE > deja-vue for those of us with grey hair and/or are willing to admit 2 > supporting computer systems approx 15 years ago. > A > The hottest topic as the target environment that many med-large J > Customers want to move to is called "shared services". This is a conceptH > whereby the business units (BU's) do not have the ability to order andH > buy anything they want, but rather depend on a central shared servicesI > group to deliver a pre-defined set of services using SLA's as the means : > to measure where service level objectives are being met.  9 The major reason for emergence of PCs in large businesses ; was that they were cheap enough to be within the budgetary  & authority of a line (non-MIS) manager.  5 This is just like the reason for the inroads VMS made 5 in prior years - the prices were within the budgetary  authority of departments.    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2005 10:09:18 -0800, From: "rcyoung" <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com>' Subject: Re: Database access from COBOL C Message-ID: <1134929358.483396.119780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Now that would be very nice!   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2005 18:25:03 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)' Subject: Re: Database access from COBOL , Message-ID: <40lnrvF1agsvbU1@individual.net>  C In article <1134929358.483396.119780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, / 	"rcyoung" <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com> writes:  > Now that would be very nice! >    What would be very nice?   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:29:07 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 0 Subject: Dynamically moving a disk to a new disk, Message-ID: <43A5AA6C.F90F7C83@teksavvy.com>   OK, I have: = $MOUNT/SYSTEM/CLUSTER $1$dua1 SHIMANO    $DISK2  on node VELO > $MOUNT/SYSTEM/CLUSTER $4$dia1 CAMPAGNOLO $DISK5  on node WHEEL  # I then backup from $DISK2 to $DISK5   A Now, I want applications still running on VELO and BIKE  to start  accessing the $DISK5  > $DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC/TRANS=(CONCEALED,TERMINAL)  $DISK2 $4$dia1  ; So this now direct any accesses of $disk2 to the new drive.   G I can then restart applications one by one so that they install etc the  files from the new drive.    --------------------	 QUESTION:   > Is there a way with INSTALL to remove all installed files in aG particular drive ?  Or must I write some script based on the parsing of 8 INSTALL> LIST which issues individual DELETE commands  ?   ---------------------   	 QUESTION:   F When I  $DISMOUNT/CLUSTER $1$dua1, is there a way for that command notF to undefine the logical $DISK2 (since the later was redefined to point to the new disk).   : I was thinking of perhaps defining $DISK2 both /SYSTEM andG /TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER so that when DISMOUNT zaps the /SYSTEM version of E $DISK2, the syscluster version remains as a temporary measure until I % can redefine it /SYSTEM on each node.    Any better suggestions ?       ---------------   H And yes, I am fully aware of any activity on dua1 between the backup andE the switching to the new drive needing to be backed up again :-) I'll F also have to resubmit any batch job with its source or log files being on that changed drive.   ----------------      C What happens to some application which I might have missed that has F opened files on a drive after I dismount the drive ? Will the app justG die, or will it go into some terrible RWxxx process state that requires  a reboot to clear ?   
 ----------    G This is where volume shadowing comes in really handy. If all the drives G were shadow sets (with just one member), you could then add a member to B it, let the copy complete and fully transparently remove the olderC member without missing a heart beat or having to redefine logicals, - INSTALL DELETE and INSTALL ADD again etc etc.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:41:36 GMT 7 From: "mrtravel@sbcglobal.net" <mrtravel@sbcglobal.net> @ Subject: Re: illegal blowjobs by Ottawa pedophile Darrell Larose> Message-ID: <Qo8pf.42932$6e1.29049@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>   GIGANEWS wrote:   G > On 14 Dec 2005 07:06:22 -0800, "Nomen Nescio" <geoff_one@hotmail.com>  > wrote: >  >  >>Nomen Nescio wrote:  >>% >>yawn, you really need to get a life  >  >  >  > A life and a Doctor.  " Maybe he is old and will die soon.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:25:25 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>% Subject: Re: monitoring VMS log files + Message-ID: <43A59B85.BB1B0143@comcast.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > b > In article <43A391E9.E15667DE@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > Jeff Cameron wrote:  > >>$ > >> On 12/15/05 8:25 AM, in articleI > >> 1134663926.819306.74400@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Ken Robinson"   > >> <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > tumblindice wrote:  > >> >> Hi,  > >> >> J > >> >>    We would like to monitor our VMS logfiles, operator.log and theM > >> >> security files to a machine that could send out email to notify us of N > >> >> discrepancies. There are a few tools out there for UNIX but I have notD > >> >> seen anything for VMS. Any help or pointers would be greatly > >> >> appreciated. Thank you.  > >> >N > >> > There are a number of products like that. Two that come to mind are theM > >> > Unicenter Console Management for OpenVMS from CA and ConsoleWorks from 3 > >> > TECsys Developement <http://www.tditx.com/>.  > >> >
 > >> > Ken > >> >N > >> Both the OPCOM and The Security Auditor have a calling interface allowing. > >> your process to intercept these messages. > > H > > A generic piece that would be useful to many ISVs would be simple toJ > > implement OPCOM listener/API. ConsoleWorks / ConsoleManager is just to > > much for many applications.  >  > Calling the API is trivial.    ...but is it documented?  ) > Doing something with the results is the  > hard part.  ) GETTING the results is he important part.   < >  Separate callbacks for each possible event are one model,J > with no callback when the client does not provide a callback entrypoint.H > That approach, however, will waste a lot of cycles processing messages# > with which nothing is to be done.    Nature of the beast.  # >  So perhaps it would be better to F > screen the binary messages to select only those of interest for someH > particular site.  Perhaps a quick way to view all the messages as theyE > are generated.  But wait !  That is exactly what the Audit Listener  > Mailbox provides !   Well, yes and no.   6 From a security perspective, that may be largely true.  A From a system administration perspective, the Audit Listener only  "hears" part of the story.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:36:35 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam>   Subject: Re: MSCP transfer rates= Message-ID: <43a51f8c$0$78280$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    JF Mezei wrote: E > Since QBUS is 3 megaBYTES per second, shouldn't a DELQUA be able to 2 > handle 10 megabits (1.25 megabytes) per second ?  D The Ethernet protocol is much like what we humans do when we have a I meeting among equals and no leader of the meeting.  When you want to say  F something, you wait until nobody is talking.  Then you start talking, F but you continue to listen, and if somebody else start talking at the C same time, both stop talking, wait a little period of time and try  I again.  In Ethernet this period of time is randomized to ensure that two  B Ethernet controllers cannot block each other by both starting and  starting again at the time.   H The fathers of Ethernet wanted to make sure that the protocol was fair, C and because of that, you are not allowed to use more than half the  F bandwidth.  Thus, even if you are lucky, you should not expect to see D 600KB/s when using coax.  By default you may also only use half the H bandwidth on twisted pair, because you may be connected to a hub, which H is equivalent to a coax cable.  On twisted pair it is common to connect H all computers directly to switches, and then there is no one to be fair E to.  Because of that, many Ethernet controllers for twisted pair can  4 negotiate with the switch to use the full bandwidth.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:32:08 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>  Subject: Re: MSCP transfer rates* Message-ID: <43A59D18.BBB0E66@comcast.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Michael Moroney wrote:: > > On which system was the BACKUP command itself running? > > > On the 4000-600.  So the MVII was handling only the MSCP and( > SCS/ETHERNET to feed data to the 4000. > F > I am doing a similar backup now running on the 4000 and pulling dataF > from a disk served by a 3100. And it is sucking up much CPU from theI > 3100 too (but not to 100%). It is interesting that MON SYS doesn't show G > the "MSCP process" as the top CPU user. (is it CLUSTER_SERVER process  > which handles this ?)   G So, which process *IS* the top CPU user? (MONITOR PROCESS/TOPCPU/INT=x)    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:31:57 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   Subject: Re: MSCP transfer rates, Message-ID: <43A5AB16.5A2A17E4@teksavvy.com>   David J Dachtera wrote: I > So, which process *IS* the top CPU user? (MONITOR PROCESS/TOPCPU/INT=x)   3 The process doing the MONITOR/PROCESS/TOPCPU !!!!!    E So it shows that as being the top process consuming perhaps 8% of CPU = resources (normal for an MVII), even though the CPU is at 97%   A As someone else explained, if MSCP is implemented as a driver, it O executes in a different dimension and doesn't get counted by the MONITOR tools.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:55:19 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: QBUS DHV11 in VAX 4000-600/200 , Message-ID: <43A515D1.E7FC9C47@teksavvy.com>   John Santos wrote:C > I forget if the DHV has hardware or software vector settings.  If D > hardware, this sounds like you've got the vector wrong.  It should? > probably be 300, depending on what other options are present.     H I had set the vector to 300, or so I though... Took the board out, resetE each dip switch to make sure it was fully depressed, and noticed that H one of the "undocumented" dip switches after the 3 switches used for the7 vector had been set. I put it back to "0" and tried ...    EUREKA !!! It works !   G So the next test is whether my SCSI controller will work on the machine , and if all fo the stuff will work together.     = The DHV11 manual also has the exact dimensions for the 4 port E assemblies, so I should be able to build my own "cab kit" to hold the G ports. The ribbon cables are long enough to position the ports below or  above the computer.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.703 ************************