1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 27 Dec 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 720       Contents:9 Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 boot 9 Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 boot 9 Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 boot  Re: (T)MSCP strangeness ' Re: Addendum: TCPIP5.4  patch 5 problem  Re: DUMP/OUTPUT strangeness / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today ) Re: HP to lay off 5,000 in France/Europe?  Re: SSH vs Telnet  Re: SSH vs Telnet 7 Re: Unable to LICENSE REGISTER new VMS license on Alpha  Re: Zip question  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:50:15 +0000 (UTC) - From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) B Subject: Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 boot. Message-ID: <dopl27$fuo$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Schnootling" <chuckm@dis.wa.gov> writes in article <1135555879.685682.270870@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> dated 25 Dec 2005 16:11:19 -0800: 
 >Hello Folks,  > F >As the subject says, I'm getting a double exception from CPU 0 when IA >boot from DRA0. From what I can tell, the install of VMS and the G >LICENSE REGISTER of VMS all went well. (The reason I'm mentioning this C >is: I don't know what VMS says when it's booted and the LICENSE is - >invalid - maybe it double excepts at CPU 0.)   K No, if you boot VMS without sufficient licenses, you get something like "No K license is active for this software product", but you can still log in from E the console in order to type in your licenses at the command prompt.   Networking is disabled.   H >I checked this group's correspondence and the closest thing I found was  >Jan 10, 4:53 pm by Tom Crabtree >( http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/54134e495e95368d/cb5b5c51616da0d2?q=double+exception+from+CPU+0+&rnum=1#cb5b5c51616da0d2  > 1 >which didn't seem particularly applicable to me.  >  >>From what I can see:* >- DRA0 (ALPHASYS) is the right boot disk.6 >- The system does say a "valid boot block was found".C >- Not a lot of IO activity goes on before the exception (SBB light  >doesn't flash). > & >Anyone got any ideas or suggestions ?  F Sorry I have no idea what it *could* be, just thought I'd mention your( symptoms do not match a license problem.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:33:14 +0100 & From: "H Vlems" <nospam@what.ever.com>B Subject: Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 boot; Message-ID: <8947b$43b07000$513b9a2c$4947@news.versatel.nl>   4 "Schnootling" <chuckm@dis.wa.gov> schreef in bericht= news:1135555879.685682.270870@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...  > Hello Folks, > G > As the subject says, I'm getting a double exception from CPU 0 when I B > boot from DRA0. From what I can tell, the install of VMS and theH > LICENSE REGISTER of VMS all went well. (The reason I'm mentioning thisD > is: I don't know what VMS says when it's booted and the LICENSE is. > invalid - maybe it double excepts at CPU 0.) > I > I checked this group's correspondence and the closest thing I found was ! > Jan 10, 4:53 pm by Tom Crabtree  > L (http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/54134e495e9L 5368d/cb5b5c51616da0d2?q=double+exception+from+CPU+0+&rnum=1#cb5b5c51616da0d 2) > 2 > which didn't seem particularly applicable to me. >  > >From what I can see: + > - DRA0 (ALPHASYS) is the right boot disk. 7 > - The system does say a "valid boot block was found". D > - Not a lot of IO activity goes on before the exception (SBB light > doesn't flash).  > ' > Anyone got any ideas or suggestions ?  >  > Chuck  >   H It's definitely not a license problem: VMS always boots but you won't beG able to use any other way to get in other than thru the console port. A K double exception IMHO is either caused by an unsupported SCSI controller or K (on white box Alpha's) the NVRAM lost the magic incantations. On a 4100 the L latter is unlikely so it's got to be the SCSI controller. Does the 4100 boot5 from a 50 pin SCSI-2 disk on the on-board controller?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:04:14 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>B Subject: Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 boot+ Message-ID: <43B0930E.CC345E1C@comcast.net>    Schnootling wrote: >  > Hello Folks, > G > As the subject says, I'm getting a double exception from CPU 0 when I B > boot from DRA0. From what I can tell, the install of VMS and theH > LICENSE REGISTER of VMS all went well. (The reason I'm mentioning thisD > is: I don't know what VMS says when it's booted and the LICENSE is. > invalid - maybe it double excepts at CPU 0.) > I > I checked this group's correspondence and the closest thing I found was ! > Jan 10, 4:53 pm by Tom Crabtree  > (http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/54134e495e95368d/cb5b5c51616da0d2?q=double+exception+from+CPU+0+&rnum=1#cb5b5c51616da0d2) > 2 > which didn't seem particularly applicable to me. >  > >From what I can see: + > - DRA0 (ALPHASYS) is the right boot disk. 7 > - The system does say a "valid boot block was found". D > - Not a lot of IO activity goes on before the exception (SBB light > doesn't flash).  > ' > Anyone got any ideas or suggestions ?  >  > Chuck    Grasping at straws here...   DRA0 -^--  |  G ... suggests a raidset. Are you *SURE* this is supported by OpenVMS and 4 its various bootloaders and startup-time operations?  H If you have the gear it would require, boot up the CD and see if you canG BACKUP/IMAGE the VMS installation from the RAIDset to a "JBOD" disk and D try to boot from that, instead. If it succeeds, your RAIDset may not have boot-time support.    BTW: How big is the RAIDset?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:36:19 +0100 & From: "H Vlems" <nospam@what.ever.com>  Subject: Re: (T)MSCP strangeness; Message-ID: <e2402$43b070b9$513b9a2c$5410@news.versatel.nl>   L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>1 schreef in bericht news:dook7a$jle$2@online.de... I > I have an ALPHA which writes "enabled automatic {disk|tape} serving" to E > the console BEFORE it joins the cluster.  I have a VAX which writes E > "loading the (T)MSCP server" to the console BEFORE it joins/forms a G > cluster and "enabled automatic {disk|tape} serving" TWICE (i.e. first J > disk, then tape, then disk, then tape---4 messages altogether + 2 before- > the cluster is formed giving 6 altogether).  > F > As far as I know, this is independent of any sort of configuration IJ > might have done.  Does everyone see this behaviour?  Why the difference? >  > 7.3-2 ALPHA and 7.3 VAX. > J The double TMSCP message is a thing I recognize, my own VAX systems do the
 same underI 7.2 and 7.3 (can't remember whether that happened with 7.1 too, let alone  earlier releases)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:48:55 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>0 Subject: Re: Addendum: TCPIP5.4  patch 5 problem+ Message-ID: <43B08F77.279CDF7A@comcast.net>    BRAD wrote:  >  > Tom Linden wrote: J > > On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:36:59 -0800, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:K > > I sopped MX manually and restarted and mail now works, so what is wrong  > > with/ > > the startup sequence which reads as follows   > > $!      Start tcpip servicesC > > $       DEFINE/SYSTEM     TCPIP$POP_USE_MAIL_FOLDER        TRUE C > > $       DEFINE/SYSTEM     TCPIP$POP_PERSONAL_NAME          TRUE D > > $       DEFINE/SYSTEM     TCPIP$POP_POSTMASTER             "TOM"C > > $       DEFINE/SYSTEM     TCPIP$POP_IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS  TRUE @ > > $       DEFINE/SYSTEM     TCPIP$SMTP_JACKET_LOCAL          1& > > $       @sys$startup:tcpip$startup > I > It's been a few years since I ran TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS, but ISTM I > that the DEFINE/SYSTEM commands above should happen _after_ the startup I > of TCP/IP Services.  I seem to recall that there is a <mumble>SYSTARTUP I > command file for TCP/IP Services, where these commands could reside.  I H > _think_ that TCPIP$STARTUP calls this file near the end of its startup > procedure   A Indeed. There is a TCPIP$SYSTARTUP.COM, and in general there is a E TCPIP$service_SYSTARTUP.COM provision for the services provided by HP  with (UCX).    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:53:42 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>$ Subject: Re: DUMP/OUTPUT strangeness+ Message-ID: <43B09096.6836C349@comcast.net>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > 	 > If I do  >  >    $ DUMP *.HTML > $ > then I get what I expect.  If I do >  >    $ DUMP *.HTML/OUTPUT=X.X  > < > then X.X contains only the dump of the last file.  If I do > ! >    $ DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT X.X  >    $ DUMP *.HTML > > > then I get the same strange result.  This works as expected: >  >    $ PIPE *.HTML > X.X >  > What am I missing?   From this V7.2-2 system here...    DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ dir t*.com;   Directory DKA0:[DDACHTERA]   TCPIP_SMTP_SYSTARTUP.COM;1>                           22/27        3-OCT-2002 22:12:28.39  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > TEST.COM;3                 1/9         5-SEP-2001 21:04:14.93  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > TESTFILE.COM;6             1/9         2-DEC-2002 21:38:16.71  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > TEST_TRNPPF.COM;1          1/9        28-FEB-2005 22:25:01.54  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > TIMMDIFF.COM;1             8/9        25-OCT-2001 20:38:32.72  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > TOP_TEST.COM;2             1/9        25-FEB-2003 21:32:15.21  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > TREE.COM;3                 3/9         9-SEP-1999 21:37:26.37  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > TRYIT_MAR.COM;2           53/54       18-JUN-2003 20:20:48.76  (RWED,RWED,RE,)     Total of 8 files, 90/135 blocks.& DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ dump t*.com/out=x.x DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ dir x.x   Directory DKA0:[DDACHTERA]  > X.X;9                    209/216      26-DEC-2005 18:53:12.33  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;8                     12/18       26-DEC-2005 18:53:12.14  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;7                      4/9        26-DEC-2005 18:53:12.00  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;6                     32/36       26-DEC-2005 18:53:11.80  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;5                      4/9        26-DEC-2005 18:53:11.65  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;4                      4/9        26-DEC-2005 18:53:11.50  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;3                      4/9        26-DEC-2005 18:53:11.34  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;2                     88/90       26-DEC-2005 18:53:10.88  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;1                      4/9        15-AUG-2000 21:58:49.57  (RWED,RWED,RE,)   ! Total of 9 files, 361/405 blocks.  DJAS01::DDACHTERA$     --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Dec 2005 20:14:29 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march todayB Message-ID: <1135656869.146936.61140@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > Lurker wrote:  > > C > > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message ) > > news:439B3628.36213F03@comcast.net...  > > C > > I know I've promised to quit this thread but I couldn't resist.  > > > > > So how do you feel about that David after the NY transport< > > strike? And the fact that NY Times summed up the popular2 > > feelings by the terse but explicit "You Rats!" > * > Ever heard the expression "sour grapes"?  E So you're actually upset about it? Cool! (Hey, when you give a short, F cryptic response, don't complain that you were misunderstood or say "I didn't say that!"    >  > > And maybe, just = > > maybe, you have happened to be in that city and trying to  > > catch a bus? > G > Nope - knew better, and planned ahead! (novel concept, I realize, but 
 > hey ...)  E Uh-huh. Plan ahead. Can you tell me how the fireman who was biking to D work because of the strike and was nearly killed by a (private) bus,B and who is now in the hospital in critical condition with numerous) broken bones could have planned for that?    Can you tell me...  G how the sick and disabled could have planned to do without their health  aids?   E how cancer patients on chemo and radiation therapy could have planned E to get to their place of therapy? You'd have them sleep on the couch, 	 no doubt.   A how the city could plan for losing tens of millions of dollars in  taxes?  G how the city could have "planned" around spending 10 million for police " overtime (might have been 10M/day)  3 how people could "plan" to walk many miles to work?   C how businesses could plan on losing over $1B of business during the F Christmas shopping season, which many of those businesses need just to stay in the black for the year?   G What would it take for you to disapprove of the TWU? Would they have to C murder MTA officials? Murder riders? What would it take? Would they F have to torture and murder your family before you see a problem? Would8 they have to nuke the whole country? What would it take?  C Ya know, David, you could still agree that the TWU acted selfishly, D illegally, thuggishly, irresponsibly, and morally reprehensively and> still be pro-union. They're not the only union. In fact, theirG international parent union was against the strike and ordered them back 
 to work!!!  F BTW, the city did plan ahead. They had contignecy plans and we did theE best we could in light of a very difficult situation. (Hey, I suppose 6 the tsunami victims should have "planned ahead", too!)  G The city also planned ahead by instituting the Taylor Law. The union is G out $3 million. I guess they should have planned for that. The strikers F are out a minumum of 6 days' pay -- and perhaps $25,000 each on top ofD that -- should have planned! Toussaint was held in contempt of court9 and nearly landed in jail. You know: should have planned!   E It is certainly ironic that the same law that allows the union in the G first place also forbids them from striking. This law provides benefits F to the transit workers, who end up with a health care plan and pensionE most others in the country can only dream of, but with those benefits ' come restrictions and responsibilities.   : Can you tell me how it's "fair" that this union should getC ever-increasing benefits while the rest of us pay higher and higher B taxes, tolls, and fares and have to endure far worse and sometimes decreasing benefits?   > % > Gues y'all almost wound up singing:  >  > No el, No el,  > MTA is on strike!   D This is sick. I'm beginning to think that YOU'RE sick. 'Substituting nastiness for argument, eh?   G If you give another one of your cryptic, dodging, "I didn't say that!", A "go back and read it for yourself", BS responses, I'm outta here!    AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:22:24 -0800  From: Z <Z@no.spam> 2 Subject: Re: HP to lay off 5,000 in France/Europe?* Message-ID: <w45sf.5398$5R3.1213@fe02.lga>   Z wrote:I > "AP News is reporting that Palo Alto, California-based Hewlett-Packard  G > is 'fighting to stay competitive with formidable rivals like IBM and  D > Dell' and is announcing 5,900 European job cuts "to safeguard the J > future" of the company. From the article: 'Michel Destot, the Socialist J > deputy mayor of the southern France city of Grenoble - where HP has one I > of its French plants - said the layoffs were "unacceptable" and demand  K > that HP managers also meet local politicians to discuss scaling back the  > > job cuts.'" This round following the first cut back in July. > 0 > http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBE5QDVIDE.html  ( So, how about a follow up to this story?  @ Were the Mayor's demands to scale back the job cuts met, or not?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:27:32 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> Subject: Re: SSH vs Telnet+ Message-ID: <EuXrf.79519$2k.47681@pd7tw1no>    Tom Linden wrote::  C > I use PuTTY on W2k to access various nodes in a VMS cluster and I ? > installed tcpip5.4 on a 7.3 system so I could use SSH.  Under > > Telnet the line width would automatically adjust to changing@ > the sreen size by dragging the edge.  But under SSH the output? > line width remains at 80 chars.  The only change in putty was A > from port 23 to 22.  Why the differnet behavior and how to make  > SSH appear same as Telnet? >  > Tom   I I think you want to look at the Window configuration in PuTTY and select  ? "Change the number of rows and columns" then save your session.    Alder    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:25:02 -0800 = From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@nfw-invalid.cibtrikker.com>  Subject: Re: SSH vs Telnet, Message-ID: <P42dneL_p6S9Xy3eRVn-gQ@dls.net>  / "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message  " news:ops18phdtdzgicya@hyrrokkin...B >I use PuTTY on W2k to access various nodes in a VMS cluster and I? > installed tcpip5.4 on a 7.3 system so I could use SSH.  Under > > Telnet the line width would automatically adjust to changing@ > the sreen size by dragging the edge.  But under SSH the output? > line width remains at 80 chars.  The only change in putty was A > from port 23 to 22.  Why the differnet behavior and how to make  > SSH appear same as Telnet? >  > Tom   M The TCPIP TNDRIVER understands the TELNET Window-Size option.  If the client  J sends the option, the VMS server will change the lines and columns in the H UCB to what the client specified (assuming it fits in the fields).  The I TCPIP SSH server does not support this option, at least it didn't when I  M last worked on the terminal interface code that it borrows from the Kerberos   telnet server that I did.    John     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:59:05 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>@ Subject: Re: Unable to LICENSE REGISTER new VMS license on Alpha+ Message-ID: <43B091D9.C1D22BFC@comcast.net>    Schnootling wrote: >  > Thanks JF, and everyone else,  >  > I think it worked:" > DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC LMF$LICENSE -) > DRA0:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]LMF$LICENSE.LDB  > G > By "think", I mean I didn't get any error message (or any message for  > that matter).  > @ > I did a LICENSE LIST and did see that OpenVMS (and others) are? > INSTALLED. It'd be nice  to know the LICENSE was activated or ' > something, but c'est la VMS, I guess.    "INSTALLED"??!!   C That's a new one on me! Where did you se ethat? In response to what  command?   BTW:  - The answer to your original query is twofold:    #1: G The license registration at VMS install time has some known issues. The = standard recommendation is to proceed with the install witout C registering any PAKs, then register them after the install (you can D always log in from the console even when no VMS base license, though0 DEcwindows being active does raise some issues).   #2: B Since you saw the "file not found message", my advice would be to:   $ LICENSE CREATE   ...before you ...    $ LICENSE REGISTER mumble...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:10:53 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com> Subject: Re: Zip question ) Message-ID: <1h2sf.3125$X86.988@trnddc04>    prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:? > "Jeffrey H. Coffield" <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> writes:  >  > F >>Is there a version of zip on either VMS or Linux that can zip a file >>over 2GB?  >  > F >>Alternately, is there a way to get VMS Backup to write multiple save2 >>sets so that each is below a given maximum size? >  > G > Write to a LD with a <2GB file and shuffle the files around under the + > LD unit(s). Then zip the container files.   D I think what Paul is getting at is this:  BACKUP supports writing to@ sequential disk savesets (I think that's the right terminology.)E You can use a disk drive (or several) much as you would a tape drive. B Backup writes to the disk until it gets full, and then asks you toB dismount the disk, remove the disk pack, install another disk pack> in the drive and then it will mount the 2nd disk and continue.  C I remember doing this many years ago to back up an RA81 (450 MB) to C a bunch of RA60's (removable, 130MB) on an 11/780 with an extremely A flaky tape drive, prior to doing a VMS upgrade.  (Good thing they ! had a bunch of spare disk packs.)   B I think Paul is suggesting you do the same thing, but with a bunchA of virtual LD: disks, sized at just under 2GB, rather than with a D bunch of physical DU: disks.  When the backup asks for a new volume,D dismount the LD:, create a new LD container file and mount that, andD tell it to go.  When all done, zip the LD container files, each into6 its own ZIP file, and send them to the PC for burning.  - I hope I've clarified, and not obfuscated :-)      --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.720 ************************