1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 28 Dec 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 723       Contents:9 Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 boot 9 Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 boot 9 Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 boot 9 Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 boot 9 Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 boot 9 Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 boot  Re: Another Backup suggestion  Re: Another Backup suggestion  Re: Another Backup suggestion  Re: create sub-process fails RE: Honeypot stats RE: Honeypot stats/ Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today  old EZ disks with latest VMS? " Re: Patch release notes complete ?" Re: Patch release notes complete ?" Re: Patch release notes complete ?" Re: Patch release notes complete ? PSCI: PRODUCT COPY omits a file ) Re: Question about large numbers of Locks  Re: SSH  SSH , Re: Thank you for a great year and some jobs Re: TLZ07/TLZ09 compatability  Re: TLZ07/TLZ09 compatability  TLZ07/TLZ09 triple play: HELP!' Windoze ends year with a major cert ... + Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 28 Dec 2005 00:13:41 -0800# From: "H Vlems" <hvlems@freenet.de> B Subject: Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 bootC Message-ID: <1135757621.836456.300130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   G Dave is right. The first Alpha's came in brown (tan?) colored boxes and D they ran Tru64, VMS and NT. DEC wanted Alpha to be *the* NT platformF and they had to sell the hardware considerably cheaper to compete withF Intel (and PowerPC and MIPS but these were never sold in large volumesG for NT). Along came the white box Alpha's, labeled Digital Server, that E ran NT only and the more expensive blue boxes that run Tru64, VMS and G NT. Later on somebody found out how to run VMS on the white box Alpha's  as well.  D Chuck, your 4100 is supported by VMS. It's just a matter of figuringE out what is wrong right now. Hook a modem up to COM1 and let us check 	 it out...    Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:28:18 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>B Subject: Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 boot, Message-ID: <41fb6jF1eekfcU1@individual.net>   Schnootling wrote: > Hello Everyone,  >  > I GOT VMS TO BOOT !!!  >    Great news!   G > 9) I took my sledgehammer out and beat the crap out of an unfortunate  > 2x4 laying nearby   E LOL. A lot less messy than the blood of a freshly sacrificed chicken  7 (which has been seen as recommended for SCSI problems).   # > 10) then I SET BOOT_OSFLAGS 30000  > 11) and did a BOOT > 12) and VMS came up !!!!!  > I > My monitor (an old Epson extended VGA) shows multiple HP logos arranged I > horizontally across the screen which is probably not desired behaviour, F > so I figure it's time to get another, supported monitor. I do have aG > VT420 on COM1 (I think, bottom-most serial port on left), but it only 	 > blinks.  >   G Have you tried hitting <RETURN> a couple of times on the VT420? If set  7 up properly it should respond with the username prompt.   H If it displays "garbage", try the following settings in the VT420 Setup ! (F3 if not also marked as Setup):   < 9600 baud, 8 bits, no parity, one stop bit (9600 baud, 8N1).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:01:37 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> B Subject: Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 boot( Message-ID: <ops2hykzmvzgicya@hyrrokkin>  A On 28 Dec 2005 00:13:41 -0800, H Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> wrote:   I > Dave is right. The first Alpha's came in brown (tan?) colored boxes and F > they ran Tru64, VMS and NT. DEC wanted Alpha to be *the* NT platformH > and they had to sell the hardware considerably cheaper to compete withH > Intel (and PowerPC and MIPS but these were never sold in large volumesI > for NT). Along came the white box Alpha's, labeled Digital Server, that G > ran NT only and the more expensive blue boxes that run Tru64, VMS and I > NT. Later on somebody found out how to run VMS on the white box Alpha's 
 > as well.  F Well not quite,  the XL266, for example had the 21064A cpu which would= only run NT, I believe the ROM wasn't big enoough to hold SRM  > F > Chuck, your 4100 is supported by VMS. It's just a matter of figuringG > out what is wrong right now. Hook a modem up to COM1 and let us check  > it out...  >  > Hans >    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:15:58 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) B Subject: Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 boot( Message-ID: <doudnu$38o$1@pcls4.std.com>  , sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes:  F >   You might try the other serial port.  What's the terminal set to?   @ There are _three_ DB9s on an Alpha 4100.  What is the third one?   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:35:18 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)B Subject: Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 boot2 Message-ID: <05122810351823_2027A458@antinode.org>  7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)   . > sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes: > H > >   You might try the other serial port.  What's the terminal set to?  > B > There are _three_ DB9s on an Alpha 4100.  What is the third one?  E    How would _I_ know?  (And what do I care?)  I've never seen one of D these things in person.  (My high end is an XP1000.)  The QuickSpecs documents say:  .       - Two EIA-232 asynchronous serial ports,'         9-pin D-subminiature connectors   @ Who am I to argue?  Perhaps the answer is somewhere (else) under6 "http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/archive/4100/".  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:33:56 -0000 @ From: "Alex Daniels" <alexNOSPAMHERETHANKSdaniels@themail.co.uk>B Subject: Re: "Double Exception from CPU 0" on Alpha 4100 DRA0 boot4 Message-ID: <43b2cc7f$0$912$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  E "Michael Moroney" <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote in message  " news:doudnu$38o$1@pcls4.std.com.... > sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes: > F >>   You might try the other serial port.  What's the terminal set to? > B > There are _three_ DB9s on an Alpha 4100.  What is the third one?  L If you are referring to the port below the parallel port, that is the modem  port.   I This is typically used with the "Remote Console Monitor", built into the  L server control module on AlphaServer 4100's (and on a number other machines  like the DS10L).  L This can be powered separately to the 4100 and function when the machine is B not powered up, and enables you to power on/off the server, check < temperature settings and perform other diagnostic functions.   Alex     ------------------------------    Date: 28 Dec 2005 03:30:00 -0800+ From: "Vms_is_great" <rinkens@tomaatnet.nl> & Subject: Re: Another Backup suggestionB Message-ID: <1135769400.579369.31450@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Hi  < You are right because there are 2 topics with backup in help   BACKUP_API BACKUP_Command   ) So if you want the commands, you can type    Help backup_com    Regards Kor    Steven M. Schweda schreef:  R > From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) > K > > While you're at it, FIX HELP.  This was broken a while back when things 6 > > were added to it.  I would like to be able to type > >  > > $  HELP BACKUP > >  > > then > >  > >    Parameters  > > & > > This doesn't work.  I have to type > >  > > $  HELP BACKUP Parameters  > > K > > in one go.  This is not consistent with how HELP had worked for decades   > > before this change was made. > H >    It works for me (V5.4, V7.3-2), _if_ I read down to the place whereC > the "Additional information available:" heading appears.  I don't 3 > remember a time when this behavior was different.  > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 6 >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98185 >    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.org  >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:08:37 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)& Subject: Re: Another Backup suggestion$ Message-ID: <doukb5$uu2$4@online.de>  C In article <05122722524936_2027A458@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org  (Steven M. Schweda) writes:   L > > While you're at it, FIX HELP.  This was broken a while back when things 6 > > were added to it.  I would like to be able to type > >  > > $  HELP BACKUP > > 	 > > then   > >  > >    Parameters  > > & > > This doesn't work.  I have to type > >  > > $  HELP BACKUP Parameters  > > L > > in one go.  This is not consistent with how HELP had worked for decades   > > before this change was made. > H >    It works for me (V5.4, V7.3-2), _if_ I read down to the place whereC > the "Additional information available:" heading appears.  I don't 3 > remember a time when this behavior was different.   
 $ help backup   #   Additional information available:      Parameters Qualifiers J   /ALIAS     /ASSIST    /BACKUP    /BEFORE    /BLOCK_SIZE           /BRIEFL   /BUFFER_COUNT         /BY_OWNER  /COMMENT   /COMPARE   /CONFIRM   /CONVERT    " Press RETURN to continue ... param  "   Sorry, no documentation on PARAM  
 $ help backup   M   /SAVE_SET  /SELECT    /SINCE     /TAPE_EXPIRATION      /TRUNCATE  /UNSHELVE    /VERIFY    /VOLUME
   Examples   Topic?   param   "   Sorry, no documentation on PARAM   $ help back param      BACKUP_Command     Parameters          input-specifier  D        Specifies the input for the BACKUP operation as either a file  B The above is with 7.3 VAX.  I also just tested on 7.3-2 ALPHA.  It  definitely doesn't work for me!    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:09:39 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)& Subject: Re: Another Backup suggestion$ Message-ID: <doukd3$uu2$5@online.de>  B In article <1135769400.579369.31450@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,. "Vms_is_great" <rinkens@tomaatnet.nl> writes:    > Hi > > > You are right because there are 2 topics with backup in help >  > BACKUP_API BACKUP_Command  > + > So if you want the commands, you can type  >  > Help backup_com   E Yes.  My point is, previously one could just cut and paste a command  H from the DCL command line, including qualifiers, into HELP and it would  just give you what you want.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Dec 2005 03:48:11 -0800+ From: "Vms_is_great" <rinkens@tomaatnet.nl> % Subject: Re: create sub-process fails B Message-ID: <1135770491.268299.93570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Hi   Look in mc authorize  @ check you username, maybe you are not allowed to create detached proccesses.   + It can be the prclm or maxdetach parameter.    Regards Kor   > Last Login: 28-DEC-2005 12:28 (interactive), 28-DEC-2005 12:38 (non-interactive) 9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:      1024  Bytlm:       300000 9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0 9 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:     15000  JTquota:       8192 9 Prclm:          10  DIOlm:       512  WSdef:         4096 9 Prio:            4  ASTlm:      5102  WSquo:        65536 9 Queprio:         0  TQElm:      1024  WSextent:     65536 9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:     30000  Pgflquo:     300000    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:08:20 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: Honeypot stats R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB7738C1@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Neil Rieck [mailto:n.rieck@sympatico.ca]=20 " > Sent: December 24, 2005 12:24 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Honeypot stats  >=20? > This post has nothing to do with OpenVMS but I thought I'd=20  > pass it on to my< > security-minded peers after reading the "Christmas 2005=20 > Wishes" from Bob @F > InstantWhip. The following information was just pasted from an email2 > currently circulating at my place of employment. >=20 > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.: > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html >=20 > #####  >=20H > These Honeypot links refer to break-in stats from the newest available@ > distributions of various operating systems. The software is=20 > installed on@ > systems which are quietly connected to the internet without=20 > an associated @ > DNS entry. The systems do nothing other than watch for, and=20 > record, hack2 > attempts. The timer begins after "I/P discovery" >=20$ > During the November-2004 go round:. >   Windows-XP SP1 was hacked within 4 minutes( >   Red Hat Linux was hacked in 3 months >=205 > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1752343,00.asp / > http://www.techweb.com/wire/security/54201306 / > http://www.techweb.com/wire/security/56200327 " > http://www.tracking-hackers.com/$ > http://www.honeynet.org/challenge/ >=20= > In September of 2005 I attended in IEEE tour of Raytheon=20  > Canada in Waterloo. H > You should have seen the bewildered look on U of W (a big MS fan club)? > students' faces when the Raytheon engineers told them that=20  > Windows security> > was a joke and no company would seriously consider it for=20 > anything other$ > than a personal productivity tool. >=20 >=20     Neil,   D While I will certainly agree with the positioning of Windows lack ofE security, one also has to consider the fact that Red Hat has released E approx 285 *security* patches this year alone (not maint - security).   
 Reference:G https://www.redhat.com/archives/enterprise-watch-list/ (click on thread  for each month and add them up)   @ In both cases with Windows and Linux, the challenges for seriousG operations shops is not the time to download and roll-out these patches ? (althought it is extremely resource intensive and causes reboot H scheduling head-aches), but rather the time to test and QA these patches5 with the various applications that are in production.   E Of course, a company could choose not to QA/test the patches and just C roll them out, but then that company does not likely have a serious  production environment.   C Btw, a recent security white paper can be found at: (good one which ; explains the inherent architecture multiple rings benefits) 8 http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA0-2896ENW.pdf   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:44:08 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: Honeypot stats R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB7738C2@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Neil Rieck [mailto:n.rieck@sympatico.ca]=20 " > Sent: December 24, 2005 12:24 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Honeypot stats  >=20? > This post has nothing to do with OpenVMS but I thought I'd=20  > pass it on to my< > security-minded peers after reading the "Christmas 2005=20 > Wishes" from Bob @F > InstantWhip. The following information was just pasted from an email2 > currently circulating at my place of employment. >=20 > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.: > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html >=20 > #####  >=20H > These Honeypot links refer to break-in stats from the newest available@ > distributions of various operating systems. The software is=20 > installed on@ > systems which are quietly connected to the internet without=20 > an associated @ > DNS entry. The systems do nothing other than watch for, and=20 > record, hack2 > attempts. The timer begins after "I/P discovery" >=20$ > During the November-2004 go round:. >   Windows-XP SP1 was hacked within 4 minutes( >   Red Hat Linux was hacked in 3 months >=205 > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1752343,00.asp / > http://www.techweb.com/wire/security/54201306 / > http://www.techweb.com/wire/security/56200327 " > http://www.tracking-hackers.com/$ > http://www.honeynet.org/challenge/ >=20= > In September of 2005 I attended in IEEE tour of Raytheon=20  > Canada in Waterloo. H > You should have seen the bewildered look on U of W (a big MS fan club)? > students' faces when the Raytheon engineers told them that=20  > Windows security> > was a joke and no company would seriously consider it for=20 > anything other$ > than a personal productivity tool. >=20    G On a related topic about security (or lack thereof) in 2005, check out:   9 http://www.baselinemag.com/article2/0,1540,1904993,00.asp @ "2005 Was an Ugly Year for Security; 2006 Won't Be Any Prettier"  E The security stories and problems that sparked them came so thick and D fast during 2005 that it was hard to keep track of the source of the) threats, let alone how serious each was."    [snip.. See rest of article]   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2005 22:45:58 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march todayC Message-ID: <1135752358.647307.300140@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   
 AEF wrote: > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > AEF wrote: > > >  > > > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > > > Lurker wrote: 	 > > > > > I > > > > > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message / > > > > > news:439B3628.36213F03@comcast.net... 	 > > > > >  [...]   B > also after the MTA met many of their demands (see the Daily NewsC > editorial from Dec 13, 2005) including the MTA backing off on its   F Oops. Not Dec 13. It was from the WEEK before the strike. The title is; "TWU takes members for a ride". My apologies for the error.    [...]    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:09:52 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today- Message-ID: <87bqz4b7ov.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   & "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  E > I admit that they work under lousy conditions (but so do some other E > workers) and they seem to have very strict work rules, but they did C > NOT make that a big issue. The big issue was changing the pension > > from 25/55 to 30/62 or something like that, but only for NEWC > HIRES. So we see that at least in this case a union cares for new D > hires, but of course that's not only the case. And they have great? > benefits and pensions that most people can only dream of. The F > reality is that health and pensions costs are rising rapidly, partly= > due to the cost of new medical treatments and partly due to ? > increased life expectancy. The current benefit levels are not E > sustainable in the long run and the MTA was trying to nip it in the D > bud. Of course this looks like a giveback to the union and so theyE > got upset. But there are 210 commuters per transit worker. I really C > don't think it's fair to punish the commuters.  The union and its D > workers will likely have to pay some stiff fines: $3000000 for theE > union and 6 days' pay for the workers, plus any law suits, plus any ' > fines for being in contempt of court.   A In the case of the NY strike, the interesting feature is that the = pensions can ONLY be changed by the NY govt. The NY transport  company(?) is acting illegally.   ! Funny how that gets skipped over.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Dec 2005 06:28:25 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march todayC Message-ID: <1135780105.498463.173260@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   
 AEF wrote: > AEF wrote: > > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > > AEF wrote: > > > >  > > > > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > > > > Lurker wrote:  > > > > > > K > > > > > > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message 1 > > > > > > news:439B3628.36213F03@comcast.net...  > > > > > >  > [...]  > D > > also after the MTA met many of their demands (see the Daily NewsE > > editorial from Dec 13, 2005) including the MTA backing off on its  > H > Oops. Not Dec 13. It was from the WEEK before the strike. The title is= > "TWU takes members for a ride". My apologies for the error.  >  > [...]   C OK, I have the entire editorial now that I'm at work. It's from the F Daily News, Dec. 17, 2005. This is the best write-up I've seen on this issue.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Dec 2005 06:34:17 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march todayC Message-ID: <1135780457.401809.158770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:( > "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: > G > > I admit that they work under lousy conditions (but so do some other G > > workers) and they seem to have very strict work rules, but they did E > > NOT make that a big issue. The big issue was changing the pension @ > > from 25/55 to 30/62 or something like that, but only for NEWE > > HIRES. So we see that at least in this case a union cares for new F > > hires, but of course that's not only the case. And they have greatA > > benefits and pensions that most people can only dream of. The H > > reality is that health and pensions costs are rising rapidly, partly? > > due to the cost of new medical treatments and partly due to A > > increased life expectancy. The current benefit levels are not G > > sustainable in the long run and the MTA was trying to nip it in the F > > bud. Of course this looks like a giveback to the union and so theyG > > got upset. But there are 210 commuters per transit worker. I really E > > don't think it's fair to punish the commuters.  The union and its F > > workers will likely have to pay some stiff fines: $3000000 for theG > > union and 6 days' pay for the workers, plus any law suits, plus any ) > > fines for being in contempt of court.  > C > In the case of the NY strike, the interesting feature is that the ? > pensions can ONLY be changed by the NY govt. The NY transport ! > company(?) is acting illegally.     A (The "transport compnay" is the MTA. They are a quasi-independent  agency.)  D Do you have a reference for this? There seems to be some controversy here about it.    # > Funny how that gets skipped over.     D I've heard about this. Past negotiations have involved pensions. TheF union didn't mind that it was illegal when it went in their favor. NowD they complain it's illegal. Kalikow (head of the MTA) responded withE some written statement (which I have not seen yet) which according to F news reports says that this claim and others by Toussaint (head of the5 TWU local 100) is a (gross?) distortion of the facts.   G Funny how suddenly it's an issue when it goes "against them". Actually, E as life expectancy increases, leaving it the same actually results in G an increase in total benefits! So reducing pensions for new hires at an . appropriate rate would actually keep it level.   >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,   AEF    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Dec 2005 06:48:00 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march todayB Message-ID: <1135781279.918680.11230@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > AEF wrote: > >  > > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > > Lurker wrote:  > > > > G > > > > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message - > > > > news:439B3628.36213F03@comcast.net...  [...] K > > The city also planned ahead by instituting the Taylor Law. The union is  > > out $3 million.  > H > If the fines levied withstand the inevitable legal challenges. The lawG > itself will probably face a legal challenge of its own in the days to  > come.  > ; > > I guess they should have planned for that. The strikers J > > are out a minumum of 6 days' pay -- and perhaps $25,000 each on top ofH > > that -- should have planned! Toussaint was held in contempt of court= > > and nearly landed in jail. You know: should have planned!  > H > They did: the made choices. Difficult choices, certainly, and probablyI > not the choices most folks would make. Then again, even PATCO knew what J > might happen, but placed honor above the law (laws are laws, but are not& > always the "honorable" thing to do). > I > > It is certainly ironic that the same law that allows the union in the K > > first place also forbids them from striking. This law provides benefits J > > to the transit workers, who end up with a health care plan and pensionI > > most others in the country can only dream of, but with those benefits + > > come restrictions and responsibilities.  > J > Unions cannot be legislated against - such a law would quickly be struckJ > down as unconstitutional. There is no provision in the constitution thatE > allows for work stoppages to be banned by law; however, the Supreme G > Court of the U.S. (the de-facto ultimate source of legislation, which ; > itself is unconstitutional) has not established this yet.     B (1) The Supreme Court is not a source of legislation. Did you just? write that the Supreme Court itself is unconstitutional? Please  clarify.  E (2) Where in the Constitution does it say you can't make laws banning G unions? Anyway, it is the EXISTENCE of a law that allows the union, not D the other way around. Also, you don't have to ban all unions just to decerity one union.   D (3) My point is how it was ironic that the SAME LAW allows the union but forbids it from striking.   C (4) So what happened with PATCO? They all got fired! I think that's D worse than de-certifying a union, which one columnist in the NY PostF recommends for the TWU and he claims he made the same recommendation 3E years ago (the last time the transit workers' contract expired). It's  certainly worse than the fines!    [...]    AEF    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:52:07 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)& Subject: old EZ disks with latest VMS?$ Message-ID: <doujc7$uu2$1@online.de>  F I have a couple of 256-MB EZ disks.  I used to use them for page/swap E files (handy if the machine has only 48 MB RAM!) but they don't work  F anymore.  A single disk works fine, and I can build a shadow set, but H when the shadow copy is about 99% complete, the shadow set starts going I in and out of mount verification several times a second and the only way  " out is to power-cycle the machine.  E This behaviour started after an upgrade, if I recall correctly either D the upgrade to VMS 7.3-2 or after applying a SHADOWING and/or SYSTEMH and/or UPDATE patch.  Since I can live without these disks, I didn't tryA rebooting from the backup system disk to check the old behaviour. C However, since the disks seem OK physically, and work as individual  disk, I suspect a VMS bug.  = Is anyone using such disks with a fully patched 7.3-2 system?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:39:10 -0500  From: "Jilly" <jilly@hp.com>+ Subject: Re: Patch release notes complete ? * Message-ID: <43b2876f@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:43B1E8D4.CF3043B9@teksavvy.com... > General question:  > D > When looking at the release notes for a patch, do they outline allF > fixes, or it is common for there to be additional fixes that are not > documented ? > A > For example: starting with TCPIP Services 5.3 (VAX),  TCPIP SET H > INTERFACE SL1 /etc crashes the system right then and there. And I haveG > not seen any mention of this being fixed in any of the patches issues < > for 5.3 (cax). Does this mean that it is still not fixed ? > G > One of my nodes with the serial ports has been stuck at 5.1 to retain A > that capability.  Now, with my multiple systems, I may have the G > opportunity to upgrade a node but if it is 99.99% sure that a problem J > not mentioned in the release notes is not fixed, then I won't waste time$ > and plan on keeping a node at 5.1.  J It is very common for there to be fixes contained in a patch kit that are I not documented and FWIW the patch kits for our TCPIP products are pretty  L sparse on the crash details.   I am not familiar with your particular crash E but if you have the summary from CLUE CRASH I can ask if it has been   addressed.     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:08:05 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: Patch release notes complete ? , Message-ID: <43B29C43.E699DDB6@teksavvy.com>   Jilly wrote:K > It is very common for there to be fixes contained in a patch kit that are J > not documented and FWIW the patch kits for our TCPIP products are pretty > sparse on the crash details.    H OK thanks.  So it may be worth it for me to try 5.3 with the more recent" patches to see if it was adressed.      / >  I am not familiar with your particular crash F > but if you have the summary from CLUE CRASH I can ask if it has been > addressed.  B Sorry, this was a long time ago and I had to  remove tcpip 5.3 and re-install 5.1 on that node.    G I guess when I test the upgrade on my now redundant all mighty microvax G II, I might generate a dump if you are interested. But sinc development C of VAX has stopped is it really worth reporting ? Or is there still : maintenance being done on the VAX version of the product ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:09:59 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> + Subject: Re: Patch release notes complete ? ( Message-ID: <ops2hyyxwuzgicya@hyrrokkin>  . On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:08:05 -0500, JF Mezei  % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > Jilly wrote:J >> It is very common for there to be fixes contained in a patch kit that   >> areK >> not documented and FWIW the patch kits for our TCPIP products are pretty  >> sparse on the crash details.  > J > OK thanks.  So it may be worth it for me to try 5.3 with the more recent$ > patches to see if it was adressed. >  >  > 0 >>  I am not familiar with your particular crashG >> but if you have the summary from CLUE CRASH I can ask if it has been 
 >> addressed.  > D > Sorry, this was a long time ago and I had to  remove tcpip 5.3 and > re-install 5.1 on that node. > I > I guess when I test the upgrade on my now redundant all mighty microvax I > II, I might generate a dump if you are interested. But sinc development E > of VAX has stopped is it really worth reporting ? Or is there still < > maintenance being done on the VAX version of the product ?C I installed ECO 5 for 5.4 on a 7.3 system, but had to reinstall 5.4 J (forgot  /SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA to back it out)  because it doesn't work on   7.3 ) even though the release notes discuss 7.3    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:03:18 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)+ Subject: Re: Patch release notes complete ? $ Message-ID: <douk16$uu2$3@online.de>  5 In article <43B1E8D4.CF3043B9@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    A > For example: starting with TCPIP Services 5.3 (VAX),  TCPIP SET > > INTERFACE SL1 /etc crashes the system right then and there.   > Does it completely crash the machine, i.e. return you to >>> ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:18:48 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: PSCI: PRODUCT COPY omits a file, Message-ID: <43B29EC3.1BB5532D@teksavvy.com>  - VAX VMS 7.2, PCSI version X11.1 (14-MAR-2000)   b PRODUCT COPY DWMOTIF/SOURCE=dev:[DWMOTIF_VAX125.KIT]/destination=dev:[decwindows]/format=reference    E Does NOT create the [.$work]PCSI_CHCKPARAMS.COM file which is invoked  early on in the installation.    So a subsequent PRODUCT INSTALL H DWMOTIF/SOURCE=disk:[DECWINDOWS]/KIT=FORMAT=REFERENCE fails because that file is missing.  G When doing a PRODUCT INSTALL from the CD kit, it finds and execute that B file. (but then my install fails because it insists that I need toG reboot to copy files). The file is deleted from the PCSI work directory B withn millisencods of it being created as soon as the installationH decides it has failed. (this is one of the advantages of t6he all mightyH microvax II since you have plenty of time to grab temporary files before they are deleted :-)  H I had to go through hoops and loops to grab that file. And once grabbed,F my reference kit was complete, was able to make the minor modificationM to skip the sysgen parameter checking and the install worked fine. (I think).   : Is this a known problem with old version of PCSI/PRODUCT ?  ; As I recall I did install a patch for pcsi many moons ago.     Long live VMSinstall.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:07:07 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 2 Subject: Re: Question about large numbers of Locks- Message-ID: <87fyogb7tg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   C "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> writes:   @ > Are you using Galaxy / shared memory with instances running inE > partitions?  If so then consider a 'galactic memory' global section C > - which will survive a reboot provided that at least one instance $ > using the global section stays up.  B How about a change so a galaxy global section can be marked to not? be initialiazed? Even if there are NO cpu/instances running the 2 section stays as is until a console or power down.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:40:36 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: SSH( Message-ID: <ops2h8py0bzgicya@hyrrokkin>  K On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:53:57 +0000 (UTC), Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES   1 to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:   I > I'm thinking of using SSH on VMS.  For various reasons, I want to stick < > with HP TCPIP and also with the SSH which comes with that. > J > Is this product "mature" enough for, shall we say, serious hoobyist use?J > Both client and server?  Is there SSH for VAX?  How easy is installationH > and configuration?  (Presumably if I have the latest TCPIP and patches/ > installed, then I just need to configure it.)  > H I am using it on 7.3, 7.3-1 and 7.3-2 TCPIP5.4 when I installed ECO 5 itH caused problems on 7.3 according to Peter ECO contained major revsion of7 SSH and latest patch for 7.3 would be ECO 4  see thread  Re: TCPIP5.4 patch 5 problem   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:53:57 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: SSH$ Message-ID: <doujfl$uu2$2@online.de>  H I'm thinking of using SSH on VMS.  For various reasons, I want to stick : with HP TCPIP and also with the SSH which comes with that.  H Is this product "mature" enough for, shall we say, serious hoobyist use?I Both client and server?  Is there SSH for VAX?  How easy is installation  G and configuration?  (Presumably if I have the latest TCPIP and patches  - installed, then I just need to configure it.)    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Dec 2005 06:11:28 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com 5 Subject: Re: Thank you for a great year and some jobs C Message-ID: <1135779088.795378.173500@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   ) with OpenVMS, every year is a great year!    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:50:38 -0000 @ From: "Alex Daniels" <alexNOSPAMHERETHANKSdaniels@themail.co.uk>& Subject: Re: TLZ07/TLZ09 compatability4 Message-ID: <43b2d050$0$900$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  0 "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message = news:1135789045.815657.150570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  <SNIP>3 > I have 3 spare drives: one TLZ07 and two TLZ09's.  <SNIP>F > Each tape reads back fine on the drive that made it. But NONE of the5 > tapes will even MOUNT correctly on any other drive.  > % > Here's the "incompatiblity matrix":  >    \  tape >      \$ > drive   \     1485    0311    00489 > ------------------------------------------------------- # > 1485          good    bad     bad # > 0311          bad     good    bad $ > 0048          bad     bad     good > 4 > 'Tape' indicates which drive the tape was MADE on.? > 'Drive' indicates which drive I'm trying to READ the tape on.     M With the current values of your matrix it is irrelevant which axis is "MADE"   and which is "READ".    I > How can this be? What is happening that causes each tape to be readable " > only on the drive that wrote it? > E > YES, I CLEANED THE STUPID DRIVES. PLEASE DON'T TELL ME TO CLEAN THE # > DRIVES. THAT DOESN'T HELP AT ALL.   M Liberal use of capitals probably does engage people attention, but maybe not  ) in a way that makes them want to respond.   C You have not supplied the firmware revisions of each of the drives.   M When you do supply this information please be clear if the drives really are  D TLZ09's and a TLZ07, as the variants TLZ7L and TLZ9L do indeed have   different firmware requirements.  4 Are all the drives at the latest firmware revisions?  2 Are the two TLZ09's at the same firmware revision?   Alex     ------------------------------    Date: 28 Dec 2005 10:19:35 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>& Subject: Re: TLZ07/TLZ09 compatabilityB Message-ID: <1135793975.300048.44960@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Alex Daniels wrote: 1 > "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message ? > news:1135789045.815657.150570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  > <SNIP>5 > > I have 3 spare drives: one TLZ07 and two TLZ09's.  > <SNIP>H > > Each tape reads back fine on the drive that made it. But NONE of the7 > > tapes will even MOUNT correctly on any other drive.  > > ' > > Here's the "incompatiblity matrix":  > >    \  tape
 > >      \& > > drive   \     1485    0311    0048; > > ------------------------------------------------------- % > > 1485          good    bad     bad % > > 0311          bad     good    bad & > > 0048          bad     bad     good > > 6 > > 'Tape' indicates which drive the tape was MADE on.A > > 'Drive' indicates which drive I'm trying to READ the tape on.  >  > N > With the current values of your matrix it is irrelevant which axis is "MADE" > and which is "READ".    6 True. But I think it's proper to describe them anyway.    K > > How can this be? What is happening that causes each tape to be readable $ > > only on the drive that wrote it? > > G > > YES, I CLEANED THE STUPID DRIVES. PLEASE DON'T TELL ME TO CLEAN THE % > > DRIVES. THAT DOESN'T HELP AT ALL.  > N > Liberal use of capitals probably does engage people attention, but maybe not+ > in a way that makes them want to respond.     E But people who read my posts often miss important points and in other C ways misunderstand them. I have almost no doubt that had I not used E (big, scary, evil) upper case letters I would have gotten several, or F perhaps, numerous posts asking if I cleaned the drives or telling me I5 should clean the drives, wasting a whole lot of time.   E (Just as an aside: Why are so many in the IT community so offended by 4 upper case letters? What exactly is the big horror?)    E > You have not supplied the firmware revisions of each of the drives.  > N > When you do supply this information please be clear if the drives really areE > TLZ09's and a TLZ07, as the variants TLZ7L and TLZ9L do indeed have " > different firmware requirements.    G As far as I know, these are bona fide TLZ07's and TLZ09's. They are not @ autoloaders. Just in case it does some good, here are the serial numbers:   the 07  : CX442A1435 the 09's: 9K62310311           9K65210048    6 > Are all the drives at the latest firmware revisions? > 4 > Are the two TLZ09's at the same firmware revision?    C I have no idea what the firmware revision levels are. How do I find  out? How do I update them?  ? The TLZ07 is old and I forget its history. But the TLZ09's were D definitely supplied by hp support several months ago as replacementsG for other bad TLZ07's and/or TLZ09's so I don't know why they shouldn't  just work.      > Alex   thanks   AEF    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Dec 2005 08:57:25 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>' Subject: TLZ07/TLZ09 triple play: HELP! C Message-ID: <1135789045.815657.150570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Hello,  F I have a TLZ09 that seems to be going bad. It can't even read tapes itG itself wrote sometimes. One tape verified fine, but crapped out partway D through a BACKUP/LIST operation only a week or two later on the sameG drive!!! A subsequent BACKUP operation resulted in parity errors during E verification of the third DDS-1 tape. So I want to replace the drive.   1 I have 3 spare drives: one TLZ07 and two TLZ09's.   D I put them in my test machine (MicroVAX 3195 with StorageWorks modelF BA350-SB [the 5 might be a 6]) and made an image disk backup of a diskC with 0.5 GB of data on it on a Maxell DDS-2 tape in each tape drive  with compaction enbaled.  D Each tape reads back fine on the drive that made it. But NONE of the3 tapes will even MOUNT correctly on any other drive.   # Here's the "incompatiblity matrix":        \  tape        \ " drive   \     1485    0311    00487 -------------------------------------------------------   ! 1485          good    bad     bad   ! 0311          bad     good    bad   " 0048          bad     bad     good    2 'Tape' indicates which drive the tape was MADE on.= 'Drive' indicates which drive I'm trying to READ the tape on. C The numbers are the last 4 digits of the serial numbers of the tape  drives.   G How can this be? What is happening that causes each tape to be readable   only on the drive that wrote it?  C YES, I CLEANED THE STUPID DRIVES. PLEASE DON'T TELL ME TO CLEAN THE ! DRIVES. THAT DOESN'T HELP AT ALL.   B When I try to read a tape on a drive that didn't write it, various things go wrong:  D It may take literally minutes to load (waiting for the busy light onD the 09, often with repeated "see-saw noises"), after which it MOUNTsE right away but with a blank label. (In one instance, MOUNT managed to F read the label but then a subsequent BACKUP command somehow complainedB about invalid ansi label [see HELP/MESSAGE NOTANSI]. [A short term memory problem!])   ? It may load okay, but then take minutes to MOUNT. The MOUNT may D complete but with a blank label. The MOUNT may fail, possibly with aE mount verification completed for the sytem disk, errors showing up on 6 disks, tapes drives, and PKA0: and a %MOUNT-F-CTRLERR.  G Or it may take minutes to load and minutes to MOUNT, again resulting in 4 either a blank label being reported or fatal errors.  F In NO CASE can I read any data from a tape on a drive that wasn't used! to make said tape (of the three).   D I have another drive on our DEV machine that sometimes takes severalD efforts of re-pushing the tape back in because it will spit it right+ back out! 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