1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 31 Dec 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 728       Contents: 12 parameters in a procedure  Re: 12 parameters in a procedure  Re: 12 parameters in a procedure  Re: 12 parameters in a procedure Re: BACKUP forgot/lost files Re: DUMP/OUTPUT strangeness 6 Re: How to Determine the Preferred Channel for Cluster/ Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today  Re: KVM Switches# OT: Intel logo and branding changes E OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...) I Re: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...) I Re: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...) I Re: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...) P Re: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...) ...)..8 Re: Replacing null characters with blanks in a text file SWB message - curious  Re: SWB message - curious  Re: TLZ07/TLZ09 compatability  Unjamming disks in limbo Re: vms smtp problem Re: vms smtp problem+ Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2005 15:41:37 -0800 From: contracer11@gmail.com % Subject: 12 parameters in a procedure C Message-ID: <1135986097.877568.173450@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   
 Hi VMS gurus:   F How could I execute a command procedure with  12 parameters, like this ?   F @procedure Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test  ! Running the procedure I get this:   E %DCL-W-DEFOVF, too many command procedure parameters - limit to eight   * I need preserve lower and uppercase too...     Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:44:13 GMT  From: "Jim" <j.n@nospam.com>) Subject: Re: 12 parameters in a procedure > Message-ID: <hDjtf.40356$7h7.12343@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>  ) <contracer11@gmail.com> wrote in message  = news:1135986097.877568.173450@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  > Hi VMS gurus:  > H > How could I execute a command procedure with  12 parameters, like this > ?  > H > @procedure Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test > # > Running the procedure I get this:  > G > %DCL-W-DEFOVF, too many command procedure parameters - limit to eight  > , > I need preserve lower and uppercase too... >  >  > Thanks in advance. >  Rewrite DCL? Jim    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:10:50 GMT ; From: "Jeffrey H. Coffield" <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> ) Subject: Re: 12 parameters in a procedure ; Message-ID: <e0ktf.7032$oW.3465@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>    contracer11@gmail.com wrote: > Hi VMS gurus:  > H > How could I execute a command procedure with  12 parameters, like this > ?  > H > @procedure Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test > # > Running the procedure I get this:  > G > %DCL-W-DEFOVF, too many command procedure parameters - limit to eight  > , > I need preserve lower and uppercase too... >  >  > Thanks in advance. > I Enclosing a parameter in quotes preserves case. As far as 12 parameters,  
 how about:  	@proc "Test1, Test2, Test3,..."& and parsing out the 12 values from P1.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:07:13 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>) Subject: Re: 12 parameters in a procedure + Message-ID: <43B5F5E1.8584E52D@comcast.net>    "Jeffrey H. Coffield" wrote: >  > contracer11@gmail.com wrote: > > Hi VMS gurus:  > > J > > How could I execute a command procedure with  12 parameters, like this > > ?  > > J > > @procedure Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test Test > > % > > Running the procedure I get this:  > > I > > %DCL-W-DEFOVF, too many command procedure parameters - limit to eight  > > . > > I need preserve lower and uppercase too... > >  > >  > > Thanks in advance. > > J > Enclosing a parameter in quotes preserves case. As far as 12 parameters, > how about:) >         @proc "Test1, Test2, Test3,..." ( > and parsing out the 12 values from P1.  D F$ELEMENT() will do this very nicely for you, although double-quotes) embedded in strings can raise challenges.    $ HELP Lexical F$ELEM    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:32:41 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> % Subject: Re: BACKUP forgot/lost files : Message-ID: <ZHhtf.70949$6e.59287@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Beach Runner wrote:  > G >>If you can document that, and you have the backup patch, please put a F >>call in for elevation if you have a contract. Or we can recreate it. >  > J > Is it really worth it ? I am on VAX at 7.2. You guys don't even consider > 7.2 a landing zone.  > 3 I didn't realize it was 7.2  We can't elevate that.     8 No reported such cases.  Something unique in your setup. > For what it is worth:  > E > Source: Microvax II with Dialog SQ739 SCSI card with a 10 gig drive  > (about 4 gigs worth of data).  >  > Target: 4 RF73 drives  > B > MOUNT/SYSTEM/CLUSTER/BIND=CAMPY $4$dia1,$4$dia2,$4$dia3,$4$dia4 ( > CAMPAGNOLO,DISK42,DISK43,DISK44 $DISK2 > I > If I had had logs from the original backup, perhaps it might yield some I > clues.  I think I had posted my backup command previously, I'll have to D > look up the magic incantation I used to get BACKUP to recreate theF > direct5ory structure and onwership (eg: the equivapent of /IMAGE but > with new file ids).  >  > G > The next opportunity to test this will be when I move my data back to I > SCSI drives once I have found a way to install them in a 4000, at which . > point I can play with the DSSI drives again.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:59:18 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>$ Subject: Re: DUMP/OUTPUT strangeness+ Message-ID: <43B5F406.F4400122@comcast.net>    Kevin Handy wrote: > 1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > > If I do  > >  > >    $ DUMP *.HTML > > & > > then I get what I expect.  If I do > >  > >    $ DUMP *.HTML/OUTPUT=X.X  > 6 > Haven't tried it, but is /OUTPUT position dependent?% > try putting it just behind the DUMP  >  >      $ DUMP/OUTPUT=X.X *.HTML  > 6 > I've seen other programs that had position dependent
 > arguemwnts.   G That doesn't seem to help (see my previous post in this thread also)...   & DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ dump/out=x.x t*.com DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ dir x.x   Directory DKA0:[DDACHTERA]  > X.X;17                   209/216      30-DEC-2005 20:59:24.83  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;16                    12/18       30-DEC-2005 20:59:24.70  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;15                     4/9        30-DEC-2005 20:59:24.56  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;14                    32/36       30-DEC-2005 20:59:24.40  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;13                     4/9        30-DEC-2005 20:59:24.27  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;12                     4/9        30-DEC-2005 20:59:24.13  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;11                     4/9        30-DEC-2005 20:59:24.01  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;10                    88/90       30-DEC-2005 20:59:23.69  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;9                    209/216      26-DEC-2005 18:53:12.33  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;8                     12/18       26-DEC-2005 18:53:12.14  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;7                      4/9        26-DEC-2005 18:53:12.00  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;6                     32/36       26-DEC-2005 18:53:11.80  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;5                      4/9        26-DEC-2005 18:53:11.65  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;4                      4/9        26-DEC-2005 18:53:11.50  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;3                      4/9        26-DEC-2005 18:53:11.34  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;2                     88/90       26-DEC-2005 18:53:10.88  (RWED,RWED,RE,) > X.X;1                      4/9        15-AUG-2000 21:58:49.57  (RWED,RWED,RE,)   " Total of 17 files, 718/801 blocks. DJAS01::DDACHTERA$     --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:38:23 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> ? Subject: Re: How to Determine the Preferred Channel for Cluster 9 Message-ID: <jNhtf.56001$8d.3520@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>    Easy, new utility scacp 
 mcr scacp.   It's in the doc.  @ You can set priorities over paths, turn paths off and get stats. Be in 132 column mode.     Hal Kuff wrote:   L > Hi, does anyone know if the 2001 version of this article has been updated N > (easier to execute) for version 7.3-2 and higher? Perhaps an enhancement to M > SDA ...?  Suppose one wanted to check it via a dcl procedure and make sure  N > the SCA traffic had not failed over to another interface used for Decent or 3 > IP where a system has multiple fast ethernets...   >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:19:17 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today+ Message-ID: <43B5EAA5.8EB61E7F@comcast.net>   
 AEF wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > Lurker wrote:  > > > : > > > "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message9 > > > news:CTQsf.1686$Yk2.256358@news20.bellglobal.com...  > > > > 7 > > > > "Lurker" <nowhere@nothing.com> wrote in message 6 > > > > news:OiOsf.11131$vH5.541083@news.xtra.co.nz... > > > > [...snip...]	 > > > > > I > > > > > Well, I don't know about the panacea, but have you noticed that J > > > > > most (if not all) police departrments impose speed restrictions,M > > > > > legal blood levels, wearing seat belts and so on? Assumedly, that's I > > > > > supposed to cut down on the level of accidents. Surely imposing N > > > > > a strike ban on certain categories of employees falls under the same > > > > > category? 	 > > > > > R > > > > I'm OK with any legislation that favors both parties but sometimes certainN > > > > types of legislation will favor one party at the expense of the other. > > > L > > > No, sorry. There are jobs  that simply do not allow bargaining. That'sI > > > why the laws are there to prevent that. How would you like a strike M > > > of ambulance drivers, emergency room surgeons, firefigthers and police?  > > > All at the same time?  > > K > > So that justifies emasculating these workers' ability to negotiate fair  > > working conditions?  > E > Negotiate? OK. Strike, no. The transit workers have far better than  > "fair working conditions".   ...in your opinion.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:56:31 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today+ Message-ID: <43B5F35F.6B162100@comcast.net>   
 AEF wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > AEF wrote: > > >  > > > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > > > AEF wrote: > > > > > [snip] > > > > K > > > > I'm intentionally posting this as a separate reply to side-step the  > > > > S/N... > > > > @ > > > > (I'm trying to helpful here, so retract your fangs, 'k?) > > > D > > > Hmmmm. You're the one laughing at us with that cruel Noel bit. > > > @ > > > > Consider the tone of your replies, and THEN the content. > > > L > > > To quote Mick Jagger, he said something like when people are polite toL > > > me, I'm polite to them. If they're nasty, I'm nasty back. I try to errL > > > on the nice side as if all people went all out to get what they insistK > > > is fair, there'd certainly be huge areas of disagreement, which gives < > > > us the world we have. Everyone needs to give a little. > > > O > > > > You display a serious "victim" paradigm. Not at all uncommon - in fact, M > > > > it's actually the norm in much of society, but just the same it's not L > > > > especially healthy, either (200+ million wrongs don't make a right). > > > > N > > > > What would *I* do in the face a mass-transit outage, especially if the/ > > > > duration was expected to be protracted?  > > > > K > > > > I'd find a way to deal with it. Sure, I'd bitch, moan, "kvetch" (as P > > > > Larry G. likes to say), etc., but then I'd get down to the task at hand:% > > > > figuring out what to do next.  > > > > K > > > > I'm sure the end result would be less than ideal, of that I am 100% O > > > > certain. But, the result I'd achieve would certainly be MORE ideal than P > > > > the result of complaining, lashing out and otherwise playing the victim. > > > > ; > > > > Find the serenity to accept what you cannot change.  > > > > 7 > > > > Find the courage to change what you CAN change.  > > > > P > > > > The wisdom to know the difference will come to you naturally, even if it, > > > > is ultimately a hard-learned lesson. > > > > M > > > > (Non-religious variation on "The Serenity Prayer", (C)2005 by David J ' > > > > Dachtera, All Rights Reserved.)  > > > , > > > That's why the Taylor Law was enacted. > > & > > Sorry - didn't get the connection. > 6 > Change what you can: The Taylor Law was that change.  H No, it wasn't. It was change imposed on someone else, to their detrimentG by those whose believe it benefits themselves rather than the regulated @ (which is, by definition, unconstitutional, aside from the legal. aspects) which untlimately renders it invalid.  C The change was imposed to take control of the lives of OTHERS - not F one's self. For one's self, it was meant only to prevent inconvenienceE (which is, by definition, sinful and, therefore, immoral, "thuggish", F irresponsible and all the other adjectives you used in another post to describe the job action).    > Unfortunattely, H > there are still strikes from time to time, but that is in part becauseH > the law is not strictly enforced. The NY Post had some stuff to say in > this respect.   D So, the union is imperfect, the law is imperfect, law enforcement isD imperfect, life is imperfect, ... Just what the **** are you arguing	 for???!!!    > > I > > How does taking control of your own life compare to a law that denies B > > the constitutional rights of the work force under the guise ofH > > "protecting the greater good"? (Hint to students of mid-20th-centuryF > > history, especially that of central Europe: does this sound at all > > familiar?) > F > I take issue with your premise. It is criminal what the TWU did, butI > the unions have a bit of a stranglehold on NYC for various reasons (see F > yesterday's NY Post column by Adam Brodsky about this. I don't thinkH > anyone has a constitutional right to cause hugely disproportional harmG > to those who are worse off in an effort to extort more for themselves D > from those same worse-off people they work for: the riding public. > F > I'm really tired of this. You keep saying the union has the right toH > "fairness" and we keep telling you they are already well past fair andI > are themselves being very unfair to the rest of us. Tell us, David, why 5 > it's okay for the union to be grossly unfair to us?   G Whether you're talking about a transit strike, an artificial "petroleum D shortage" to raise wholesale and retail prices around the world (forA those of us who lived through the mid 1970's), a police strike, a D teachers' strike, ... the concept remains the same: if you choose toG depend on something beyond your control, by doing so you tacitly choose H to accept the inevitable disruptions to your life that such choices willG bring. Make no mistake: You *CHOSE* to accept those consequences - keep  that firmly in your mind.   C Workers have the right to take job action when negotiations fail to E produce results. Whether or not anyone thinks that's justified, fair, F etc. does not even enter into the equation. They have rights - period.F In pursuit of retaining those rights, people who come to depend on theC services they provide will be inconvenienced by a job action: its a F simple fact of reality - get over it. The fact you've chosen to dependG on them (and make no mistake: it *IS* a choice, no matter how you slice D it) doesn't even enter into the equation. They have rights - period.  D Likewise, you have the right - to choose, and when that choice is noF longer viable, you have the right to alter your choices. That may meanH making "difficult" alternate choices. Just remember that you are reapingD what *YOU* - and *YOU* *ALONE* - have sowed. The fact that this willF upset your life dramatically doesn't even enter into the equation. "He& who builds his house upon the sand..."  D "But, DJ, what about ambulances, fire departments, invalids, and theG like? How do they get their needed treatments? ...get to where they are  needed?"  F If a major earthquake should ever paralyze NY metro, will the foundersF be faulted for building upon "terra non firma"? Will the road buildersH be faulted not making their highways and by-ways quake proof? What about/ the utilities (electical, water, sewage, etc.)?   G Remember: no one (including me!) EVER said that that transit strike was  fair - TO *ANYONE*!   G Society as a whole has made certain choices, and continues to do so. In G doing so, it has tacitly agreed to the consequences of the imperfecions E of those choices. Whether or not the effects are induced naturally or : through willful acts doesn't even enter into the equation.  ! Life is not perfect. Get over it.   . I will devote no more bandwidth to this issue.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:58:26 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: KVM Switches ( Message-ID: <ops2mfjowuzgicya@hyrrokkin>  9 On 30 Dec 2005 08:35:24 -0800, vmsmangler@earthlink.net   ! <vmsmangler@earthlink.net> wrote:   = > Thanks to Christoph and Hans. I will check out both of your  > suggestions. >  > Bill LaCounte  > Coeur d'Alene, Idaho >   L I have a KVM switch for three of my nodes and W2K.  But I find it far more  
 convenientL to use PuTTY under W2K.  I have a different background color for each node  
 and I keep@ a window open for each node in the cluster.  In addition I use   hyperterminal, which IE can move to individual nodes if I need to reboot, that way I get an    immediate copy of K all the boot up info, and if needed I can cut and paste to an editor if I    need to record2 the info.  As a result I seldom use the kvm switch   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:04:39 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: OT: Intel logo and branding changes, Message-ID: <43B59272.8594793F@teksavvy.com>   ##G Intel said Thursday that it would scrap its 37-year-old logo as part of F a major rebranding that will emphasize the chipmaker's shift away from. its core PC business  into consumer products.   E The original Intel logo featuring a lowered "e" will be replaced with : one showing an oval swirl surrounding the company's name.   H The phrase "Leap ahead" will supplant "Intel inside," which helped bringG the company into the public awareness during the PC boom of the 1990s.    G The new Yonah mobile chips will also be called core, instead of Pentium D M, and be designated Duo (for dual core models) and Solo (for singleH core models. Some of Intel's branding changes, such as the disappearance9 of the lowercase e, were reported last week in News.com.    E Intel said CEO Paul Otellini is set to unveil details of the campaign ; during next week's Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.   ##    H Maybe those annoying "intel inside" noises will go away from TV adverts.    B Intel did not immediatly comment on rumours that its IA64 would be1 branded "heat ahead" instead of "leap ahead". :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:51:35 -0500 % From: BRAD <bradhamilton@comcast.net> N Subject: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...)( Message-ID: <43B5B9F7.70401@comcast.net>   Rich Jordan wrote: > Happiness is... G >      three different coworkers coming to my little cube and asking me F > nicely if they might use my Alphastation to do some browsing; due toF > the research going on they have to visit some oddball sites and justE > didn't feel comfortable doing it on their fancy peecees just now... F > (and no its not porn, but some searches lead to eastern European and > Asian sites).  > E >      Now at least two of them want to try Firefox after exposure to I > Mozilla ;)  They know its not a security cure-all but the tabs sure are 	 > nice...   F It continues to amaze me that so many people have not heard of (or do : not use) Mozilla/Firefox - people who consider themselves H "internet-savvy".  It sure makes surfing easier and safer.  I guess too F many folks are used to beating themselves over the head with Internet ; Exploder, and have gotten used to the dull ache of Windows.   6 Too bad OpenVMS has abandoned the desktop (eh, David?)   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Dec 2005 04:02:24 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)R Subject: Re: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...), Message-ID: <41me6gF1fo83eU2@individual.net>  ( In article <43B5B9F7.70401@comcast.net>,( 	BRAD <bradhamilton@comcast.net> writes: > Rich Jordan wrote: >> Happiness is...H >>      three different coworkers coming to my little cube and asking meG >> nicely if they might use my Alphastation to do some browsing; due to G >> the research going on they have to visit some oddball sites and just F >> didn't feel comfortable doing it on their fancy peecees just now...G >> (and no its not porn, but some searches lead to eastern European and  >> Asian sites). >>  F >>      Now at least two of them want to try Firefox after exposure toJ >> Mozilla ;)  They know its not a security cure-all but the tabs sure are
 >> nice... > H > It continues to amaze me that so many people have not heard of (or do < > not use) Mozilla/Firefox - people who consider themselves J > "internet-savvy".  It sure makes surfing easier and safer.  I guess too H > many folks are used to beating themselves over the head with Internet = > Exploder, and have gotten used to the dull ache of Windows.   F It could also be because so many sites are programming to the IE modelF and other browsers just don't work.  And, like it or not, the job mustB get done and if it requires IE, well that is what you have to use., Not saying it's right or wise, just reality.   > 8 > Too bad OpenVMS has abandoned the desktop (eh, David?)  H Even if they had not, it would not fix the problem of webpages that onlyG work with IE.  (Or any of the myriad of plugins that are only available ) for Windows and if your lucky(?), Linux.)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2005 20:18:41 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>R Subject: Re: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...)B Message-ID: <1136002720.936697.88120@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   BRAD wrote:  > Rich Jordan wrote: [...]  > G > It continues to amaze me that so many people have not heard of (or do ; > not use) Mozilla/Firefox - people who consider themselves I > "internet-savvy".  It sure makes surfing easier and safer.  I guess too G > many folks are used to beating themselves over the head with Internet = > Exploder, and have gotten used to the dull ache of Windows.   G [Normally, I really hate Microsoft, but there are some exceptions. This  is one of them.]  F Well, some of us prefer Internet Exploder. It does some things MozillaD can't. If you hate the mouse, and I surely do, IE is better. In mostD cases, you can move the focus to a link, press Enter, then read thatC page. Then alt-left-arrow to go back to the original page, tab, and G you're keyboard focus is on the next link and you can press Enter to go F to that next link. Repeat. You can't do that with Mozilla or any otherG browser I've tried. These other browsers always put your keyboard focus F on the first link on the page when you go back one page. Then you haveB to hold the tab key and wait for the focus to move through all theE links on the page!!! I've been shown workarounds, but they either are G too much bother (and often don't cover some situations) or they rely on E your having to ALWAYS anticipate whenever you might want to go to the @ next link on the previous page (which in Mozilla would create an8 unmanageable amount of tabs). Sorry, IE wins this point.  D Another problem with Mozilla is fonts: With IE, I can get nice serifF fonts (I guess it's Times Roman -- it doesn't say what it is). I can'tE do that with Mozilla. In IE I go to Tools, Options, Accessibility and C check ignore font sizes and ignore font styles. These are my normal D settings. With this I get what for me is text that is much easier to> read with most Web pages. There are problems occasionally withC paragraphs of text overlapping adjacent regions (and vice versa!!!) E because some sites don't care about people like me. But with Mozilla, G doing the same thing is a big PITA. You have to keep playing with Sizes F and Minumum Sizes and you have to use different settings for differentF sites and the fonts never look as good as they do in IE. You can't getE one set of sizes that works on most pages. Sorry, IE wins this round,  too.  ? Yet another problem with Mozilla is that the keyboard shortcuts D frequently suddenly stop working for no apparent reason. This forces use of the mouse.   C [Note to mouse-oriented programmers and Web page designers: Just to F give you an idea of what it's like to have trouble using the mouse and> trying to get by by avoiding it as much as possible, I suggestD unplugging your keyboard and see how far you get. Hey, maybe you canG write something that puts a little cute typewriter icon in a corner and G use the mouse to hunt and peck the typewriter keys! Bottom line: Please " don't forget the keyboard people!]  D Mozilla is far better for gif files. No doubt about it. And I use itE for that. But I still can't get it to be the default for gif's, which E is MS's fault, I'd guess. As for the "tabs": I'm not THAT crazy about G the tabs. They're nice, but I don't like them as much as you apparently G do (maybe because I favor using keyboard shortcuts -- it's been a while G since I tried Mozilla). And finally: Yes, Mozilla is safer, and perhaps ) more robust, but for me it's also a PITA.   8 > Too bad OpenVMS has abandoned the desktop (eh, David?)   agreed   AEF    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2005 21:49:51 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>R Subject: Re: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...)B Message-ID: <1136008191.090269.32670@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   BRAD wrote:  > AEF wrote: > > BRAD wrote:  I guess tooI > >>many folks are used to beating themselves over the head with Internet ? > >>Exploder, and have gotten used to the dull ache of Windows.  > > K > > [Normally, I really hate Microsoft, but there are some exceptions. This  > > is one of them.] > > J > > Well, some of us prefer Internet Exploder. It does some things MozillaH > > can't. If you hate the mouse, and I surely do, IE is better. In mostH > > cases, you can move the focus to a link, press Enter, then read thatG > > page. Then alt-left-arrow to go back to the original page, tab, and K > > you're keyboard focus is on the next link and you can press Enter to go J > > to that next link. Repeat. You can't do that with Mozilla or any otherK > > browser I've tried. These other browsers always put your keyboard focus J > > on the first link on the page when you go back one page. Then you haveF > > to hold the tab key and wait for the focus to move through all theI > > links on the page!!! I've been shown workarounds, but they either are K > > too much bother (and often don't cover some situations) or they rely on I > > your having to ALWAYS anticipate whenever you might want to go to the D > > next link on the previous page (which in Mozilla would create an< > > unmanageable amount of tabs). Sorry, IE wins this point. > F > First of all, nice post.  I tried the above on Mozilla _and_ FirefoxJ > 1.5.  Mozilla behaves as you describe, but Firefox works as you describeG > IE working.  I _do_ keep IE around on my XP Pro laptop, so that I can I > read the few pages that won't render properly under other browsers, but @ > I find that with Firefox, I don't need IE at all.  I've sent aH > suggestion off to the SWB folks, asking them if they have any plans to > port Firefox/Thunderbird.	:-)   # Well, this is a big step forward!!!   A Firefox and Mozilla are different browsers? On my PC at home: The F shortcut is Mozilla Firefox.  The title bar says Mozilla Firefox StartC Page - Mozilla Firefox. The Help About title bar says About Mozilla 3 Firefox. In the window it says Firefox version 1.0.   ? And now your telling me that there is Mozilla, and then there's C Firefox. I don't think it's confusing enough!!! ;-) Please clarify.  (And who are SWB?)   > J > I notice that your post seems to deal with Mozilla vs. IE.  Give FirefoxF > a try on your Windows box (presuming that's where you are using IE).F > Perhaps someday we will see Firefox/Thunderbird on OpenVMS.  I can't7 > really speak to the rest of your points in this post.  >  > <snip>  C Well, I have Mozilla Firefox 1.0, or Firefox 1.0, or I really don't E know what the hell I have in the context of your post! The start page F says Firefox 1.5 is ready (is that Firefox or Mozilla). Maybe I'll try? that and report back, but not now. Oh, I see: Firefox is really F Firefox, unless it's Mozilla. and vice versa! unless it's not. So tell me who's on first.  G [Warning to the faint of heart: The following line consists entirely of G upper case characters. But it is not yelling. It is a PRIMAL SCREAM!!!] F Read no further if you are allergic to excessive amounts of upper caseA characters unless under the advice and consent of your phyiscian.       = AAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!      AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:05:35 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Y Subject: Re: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...) ...).. + Message-ID: <43B5F57E.1A9370F4@comcast.net>    BRAD wrote:  >  > Rich Jordan wrote: > > Happiness is... I > >      three different coworkers coming to my little cube and asking me H > > nicely if they might use my Alphastation to do some browsing; due toH > > the research going on they have to visit some oddball sites and justG > > didn't feel comfortable doing it on their fancy peecees just now... H > > (and no its not porn, but some searches lead to eastern European and > > Asian sites).  > > G > >      Now at least two of them want to try Firefox after exposure to K > > Mozilla ;)  They know its not a security cure-all but the tabs sure are  > > nice...  > G > It continues to amaze me that so many people have not heard of (or do ; > not use) Mozilla/Firefox - people who consider themselves I > "internet-savvy".  It sure makes surfing easier and safer.  I guess too G > many folks are used to beating themselves over the head with Internet = > Exploder, and have gotten used to the dull ache of Windows.  > 8 > Too bad OpenVMS has abandoned the desktop (eh, David?)  C If you're evoking me, yeah ... it is. Considering that scaling from D desktop to datacenter was once a VMS marketing thing, it is rather a# shame to see what has become if it.   C If the denizens of this forum were as staunch about VMS as they are H about other issues, we'd all be laying seige to HP's stronghold, torches and pitchforks in hand.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:26:13 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>A Subject: Re: Replacing null characters with blanks in a text file D Message-ID: <craigberry-75A2A0.14261330122005@news.isp.giganews.com>  C In article <1135957351.422265.109750@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,   wendzinski@yahoo.com wrote:  @ > I'm looking for a quick DCL routine that will replace all nullD > characters with blanks in a text file.  It's okay if the output is > written to a second file.   C The following will give you a new version of foo.txt with all null    characters replaced with spaces:  # $ perl -pi -e "s/\000/ /g;" foo.txt    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:17:40 -0500 % From: BRAD <bradhamilton@comcast.net>  Subject: SWB message - curious( Message-ID: <43B5DC34.90609@comcast.net>   Folks,  7 I get this warning message while running SWB (V1.7-11):   > Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from `GtkSuperWin' to `GtkWidget'  + Anyone know what it means?  Just curious...    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2005 19:51:30 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com " Subject: Re: SWB message - curiousB Message-ID: <1136001090.365102.70670@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  G It's looks like a message issued from a GTK_WIDGET() macro, appearently A casting a GtkSuperWin pointer to a GtkWidget pointer isn't valid. D Sometimes some "lazy" Gtk programming causes warning like that to beB issued, and since SWB isn't crashing, is probably nothing to worry about.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2005 11:54:53 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>& Subject: Re: TLZ07/TLZ09 compatabilityB Message-ID: <1135972493.197091.40420@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  
 AEF wrote: > Alex Daniels wrote: 3 > > "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message A > > news:1135895112.406568.204480@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...    [...]   B I called HP support. They're getting me new (well, different) tapeF drives. They'll probably be TLZ09's. Thanks to all for helping in this thread.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:59:30 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: Unjamming disks in limbo , Message-ID: <43B58330.BE5BF6D0@teksavvy.com>  H I have a bound volume set of DSSI disks on node VELO which is a 4000-600 and wheel, a 4000-200.    3 BIKE is a 3100 connected to the others ia ethernet.   H I had a mishap where bike lost access to the drives long enough to lapse" mount verification (I was asleep).   One disk is a bound volume set.   > $MOUNT/SYSTEM/CLU/BIND=CAMPY  $4$dia1,$4$dia2,$4$dia3,$4$dia4,& CAMPAGNOLO,DISK42,DISK43,DISK44 $DISK2   Its current status is:  H $4$DIA1:        (VELO)  MntVerifyTimeout     0  CAMPAGNOLO     2686734     2   2                           dismountH $4$DIA2:        (VELO)  Mounted              0  (remote mount)                 2 H $4$DIA3:        (VELO)  Mounted              0  (remote mount)                 2 H $4$DIA4:        (VELO)  Mounted              0  (remote mount)                 2    $ dismount $4$dia1, %SYSTEM-F-DEVNOTMOUNT, device is not mounted      ? >$MOUNT/SYSTEM/CLU/BIND=CAMPY  $4$dia1,$4$dia2,$4$dia3,$4$dia4, & CAMPAGNOLO,DISK42,DISK43,DISK44 $DISK2+ >%MOUNT-I-OPRQST, device is already mounted H >%MOUNT-I-OPRQST, device _$4$DIA1: (VELO) is not available for mounting. <ctrl-Y> *INTERRUPT*    $ exit- %MOUNT-I-OPRQSTCAN, operator request canceled   E This hangs, with an operator request going to the OPA0:, but it isn't , obvious what the operator is supposed to do.    N Disk $4$DIA1: (VELO), device type RF73, is online, mounted, mount verificationN     timed out, volume is marked for dismount, file-oriented device, shareable,3     available to cluster, error logging is enabled.   H     Error count                    0    Operations completed              24165O     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM] O     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W H     Reference count                1    Default buffer size                 512H     Total blocks             3906420    Sectors per track                    71H     Total cylinders             2620    Tracks per cylinder                  21@     Host name                 "VELO"    Host type, avail     VAX 4000-600A, yesA     Alternate host name      "WHEEL"    Alt. type, avail      VAX 
 4000-200,  no $     Allocation class               4  H     Volume label        "CAMPAGNOLO"    Relative volume number                1H     Cluster size                   6    Transaction count                     2O     Free blocks              2686734    Maximum files allowed            490000 H     Extend quantity               24    Mount count                           2O     Mount status             Process    Cache name        "_$2$DKA200:XQPCACHE" O     Extent cache size             64    Maximum blocks in extent cache   268673 H     File ID cache size            64    Blocks currently in extent cache      0H     Quota cache size               0    Maximum buffers in FCP cache        257O     Volume owner UIC        [SYSTEM]    Vol Prot    S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCD   M   Volume Status:  ODS-2, file high-water marking, write-back caching enabled. (   Volume is also mounted on VELO1, VELO.2   Members of this volume set are $4$DIA1: (rvn 1).    C NOTE that it has lost the information about the volume set having 3 
 other drives.     E The drives are in perfect working condition from the point of view of ? VELO, and if I boot WHEEL, it doesn't have problems with them.    D $4$dia5, a single drive seemed to fare much better and I was able to; dismount it and remount it on BIKE and is now working fine.   H I tried DISMOUNT/ABORT/OVERRIDE=CHECKS and this is what got me into that state of limbo.   G Is there a way to force this set of devices to be reset on BIKE so that E BIKE could then start from scratch and mount them ? Or is a reboot of % BIKE truly the only way to fix this ?   H What actually happens in a mount verification timeout ? I can understandF that during mount verification, VMS will delay completion of any io toH that device, so any app trying to access that drive just hangs. But onceH it times out, shouldn't VMS automatically dismount the thing and returns  error messages for any IO done ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:02:14 -0500 ' From: "Yi Jiang" <y.jiang@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: vms smtp problem 9 Message-ID: <Qwmtf.2526$Yk2.384495@news20.bellglobal.com>   L After sending any smtp mail, mail will pend in queue TCPIP$SMTP_NODE0_00 and never get chance to be sent.  ! $@sys$startup:tcpip$smtp_shutdown   $@sys$startup:tcpip$smtp_startup  F did not help. I can ping MAIL.MORNINGSTARCANADA.COM from alpha server.  % Here is full logging file at level 5.    Any advice is appreciated.      D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   29-DEC-2005 16:45:06.33  %%%%%%%%%%%%$ %TCPIP-I-SMTP_LOGSUC, using log file+ SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE  .LOG" #smtp_symbiont\454:SMB_DEBUG=65535D #smtp$util\3479 MX Lookup for destination MAIL.MORNINGSTARCANADA.COM   TCPIP SMTP configuration data:% Server-Nodes                  : NODE0 3 Queue-Name                    : TCPIP$SMTP_NODE0_00 : Alternate-Gateway             : MAIL.MORNINGSTARCANADA.COM/ General-Gateway               : MORNINGSTAR.COM  Substitute-Domain             :  Zone                          : * Postmaster-Alias              : TCPIP$SMTP& Postmaster-Forwards-To        : SYSTEM Foreign-Transport-Synonyms    : - Initial-Interval              : 0 00:30:00.00 - Retry-Interval                : 0 01:00:00.00 - Retry-Maximum                 : 3 00:00:00.00 ! Receive-Timeout               : 5 " Retry-Address                 : 16" Hop-Count                     : 16! Symbiont-Snapshot-Blocks      : 0 ! Receiver-Snapshot-Blocks      : 0 ! Utilities-Snapshot-Blocks     : 0 ! Send-Timeout-Init             : 5 ! Send-Timeout-Mail             : 5 ! Send-Timeout-Rcpt             : 5 ! Send-Timeout-Data             : 3 " Send-Timeout-Term             : 10! Log-Level                     : 5 ! Receiver-Debug                : 0 ! Receiver-Trace                : 0 ! Symbiont-Debug                : 0 ! Symbiont-Trace                : 0 ! Utilities-Debug               : 0 ! Utilities-Trace               : 0 ! EF-Debug-Level                : 0 ! Channel-Debug-Level           : 0 & Header-Placement              : BOTTOM% Eightbit                      : FALSE $ Relay                         : TRUE% Altgate-Always                : FALSE % Mx-If-Noaltgate               : FALSE % No-Mx                         : FALSE % No-Subs-Domain-Inbound        : FALSE $ Smtp-Jacket-Local             : TRUE$ Cent-Sign-Hack                : TRUE% Nosey                         : FALSE % Log-Line-Numbers              : FALSE % Memory-Debug                  : FALSE % Mail$Protocol-Debug           : FALSE % CF-Debug                      : FALSE % Parse-Debug                   : FALSE % Deliver-VMS-Def-To            : FALSE % Deliver-NoXVMS                : FALSE % MTS-From-Hack                 : FALSE % Rewrite-MTS-From              : FALSE % Local-Alias-Only              : FALSE " Other TCPIP SMTP environment data:* SMTP Software Username        : TCPIP$SMTP9 SMTP Software Default Director: SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]  Symbiont Log File             : / SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG    List of (4) local aliases:
 alphanode0 alphanode0.MORNINGSTAR.COM	 localhost  localhost.MORNINGSTAR.COM   ? Ordered list of gateways for relaying mail to alternate gateway  (MAIL.MORNINGSTA
 RCANADA.COM):  Number of MX entries: 1 - Expiration Date:      30-DEC-2005 16:45:06.53 3    Gate: MAIL.MORNINGSTARCANADA.COM, Preference: -1 = #smtp_symbiont\492:SYS$SCRATCH (On entry to symbiont)  st:444 5 #smtp_symbiont\1468 :*******Process Statistics*******  SYS$OUTPUT = _NLA0: 9 SYS$INPUT = _NLA0:QMAN00000014_0000011F.SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER  SYS$ERROR = _NLA0:) accnt <start>   astcnt 600      astlm 600  authpri 4       biolm 600 ) filcnt 193      fillm 200       jobtype 0 / owner 0 uaf 0   uic 65540       username SYSTEM : curpriv=203015E081 imagpriv=0000000000 procpriv=203015E081 authpriv=2000004001 < #smtp_symbiont\1499 :*******End of Process Statistics*******8 #smtp_symbiont\576:SYS$SCRATCH SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]. #smtp_symbiont\580:DBG$OUTPUT SYS$OUTPUT: st:1, #smtp_symbiont\585:DBG$INPUT SYS$INPUT: st:1$ #smtp_symbiont\590:SYS$LOGIN  st:444F BUILD6$:[TCPIP_V50A_BL1.SRC.SMTP]SMTP_SYMBIONT.C;1: Symbiont activatedD #smtp_symbiont\612:Waiting for the job controller to start the queue #smtp_symbiont\735:ast_handler$ #smtp_symbiont\741:read_message st:1  #smtp_symbiont\769: start_stream! #smtp_symbiont\955:unpack_message * #smtp_symbiont\963:item 9 status 1 size 19+ #smtp_symbiont\963:item 12 status 1 size 19 , SMBMSG$K_EXECUTOR_QUEUE: TCPIP$SMTP_NODE0_01+ #smtp_symbiont\963:item 29 status 1 size 25 ' #smtp_symbiont\1352:smtp$send_to_jobctl + #smtp_symbiont\1375:smb$send_to_jobctl st:1 $ #smtp_symbiont\1175:smtp$init_stream# #smtp_symbiont\1195:sys$setprn st:1  #smtp_symbiont\905:out of AST + #smtp_symbiont\617: Symbiont is initialized L smtp$symb condh entered with condition code. %TCPIP-I-SMTP_SYMBRUN, symbiont is running the queue !AS   D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   29-DEC-2005 16:45:09.59  %%%%%%%%%%%%H %TCPIP-I-SMTP_SYMBRUN, symbiont is running the queue TCPIP$SMTP_NODE0_01! #smtp_symbiont\634:Hibernating... / #smtp_symbiont\639: woke up sf 1 ef 0 af 0 tf 0 ! #smtp_symbiont\634:Hibernating...       L "Alex Daniels" <alexNOSPAMHERETHANKSdaniels@themail.co.uk> wrote in message . news:43b4977d$0$910$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...5 > "Yi Jiang" <y.jiang@sympatico.ca> wrote in message  5 > news:5d0tf.2098$Yk2.303710@news20.bellglobal.com... J >>I have a problem with smtp mail on openvms. It used to work. After some 6 >>changes on our main mail server, it stopped working. >> It is just keeping  >>G >> %%%%%%%%%%%%                   29-DEC-2005 16:45:09.59  %%%%%%%%%%%% K >> %TCPIP-I-SMTP_SYMBRUN, symbiont is running the queue TCPIP$SMTP_NODE0_01 $ >> #smtp_symbiont\634:Hibernating...2 >> #smtp_symbiont\639: woke up sf 1 ef 0 af 0 tf 0$ >> #smtp_symbiont\634:Hibernating... >>F >> after starting smtp service. It does not even try to send anything. >>L >> I tried different setting on gatway, Alternate-Gateway and zone. Nothing ) >> changed. I can ping Alternate-Gateway.  >> >> What could be wrong with it?  >> > 3 > What were the "changes" on your main mail server?  > E > I'm pretty sure you need to bounce it, if you change the alternate  
 > gateway. > # > $@sys$startup:tcpip$smtp_shutdown " > $@sys$startup:tcpip$smtp_startup >  > Have you done a  >  > $ucx ana mail  > ! > Are the SMTP queues started ok?  >  > Alex >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:14:58 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: vms smtp problem , Message-ID: <43B613BD.A8C6A0BE@teksavvy.com>   Yi Jiang wrote:  > N > After sending any smtp mail, mail will pend in queue TCPIP$SMTP_NODE0_00 and > never get chance to be sent.F > %%%%%%%%%%%%                   29-DEC-2005 16:45:09.59  %%%%%%%%%%%%J > %TCPIP-I-SMTP_SYMBRUN, symbiont is running the queue TCPIP$SMTP_NODE0_01# > #smtp_symbiont\634:Hibernating... 1 > #smtp_symbiont\639: woke up sf 1 ef 0 af 0 tf 0 # > #smtp_symbiont\634:Hibernating...     / Ok, so it doesn't even try to process messages.   B So this isn't a question of it failing to connect to a gateway. It> doesn't try to connect since it doesn't even process messages.  D is the queue started ? There is a line in the log that says that the> symbiont is waiting for the job controller to start the queue.     F If the queue is started, I'd suspect that your mail configuration fileB has some rules in it that confuse the symbiont and cause it to not bother processing messages.   A You may wish to try to simplify the config. Can you send mail out  directoly without a gateway ?    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2005 13:58:39 -0800( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>4 Subject: Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...B Message-ID: <1135979919.537202.18070@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Happiness is... E      three different coworkers coming to my little cube and asking me D nicely if they might use my Alphastation to do some browsing; due toD the research going on they have to visit some oddball sites and justC didn't feel comfortable doing it on their fancy peecees just now... D (and no its not porn, but some searches lead to eastern European and
 Asian sites).   C      Now at least two of them want to try Firefox after exposure to G Mozilla ;)  They know its not a security cure-all but the tabs sure are  nice...    Rich   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.728 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                