0 INFO-VAX	Tue, 01 Feb 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 64      Contents: Re: c++ compiler Re: c++ compiler& Re: DCL script for a dummy like me ...8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Re: Fault-tolerant VMS File Transfer Options 9 Re: How do I use terminal emulator with escape sequences? 9 Re: How do I use terminal emulator with escape sequences? 9 Re: How do I use terminal emulator with escape sequences? 9 Re: How do I use terminal emulator with escape sequences? 9 Re: How do I use terminal emulator with escape sequences? 9 Re: How do I use terminal emulator with escape sequences? 9 Re: How do I use terminal emulator with escape sequences? ) Re: MySQL 4.1.9  for OpenVMS AXP and IA64 ) Re: MySQL 4.1.9  for OpenVMS AXP and IA64 ) Re: MySQL 4.1.9  for OpenVMS AXP and IA64  Re: MySQL problem 7 Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS 7 Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS 7 Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS 7 Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS 7 Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS 
 Official Logo  Re: Official Logo  RE: Official Logo  Re: Official Logo  Re: Official Logo  Re: Official Logo  Re: Official Logo  RE: Official Logo  Re: Official Logo  RE: Official Logo  Re: Official Logo  Re: Official Logo  Re: Official Logo  Re: Official Logo  Re: Official Logo  OpenVMS Boxen for Only USD899 6 Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  Re: OT: Battersea Power Station $ OT: FS AlphaServer 800 5/333 EU-area php bulletin board? RE: Replacement for NotePad or Text editor for Windows machines  Re: Suggestion for VAX VMS 8.2 vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3" Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3" Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3" Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3" Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3" Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:53:24 +0100* From: John GALLET <john.gallet@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: c++ compiler E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0502010951460.11437-100000@ns2261.ovh.net>    Hi,   3 > You might want to try out this lots of stuff here B > http://www1.aclabs.com/MasterIndex/Consolidations_external.shtml  D Thanks for this link, this solves me the "where are these damn CDs" J problem. I'll try to understant the licensing part now. I was warned some I time ago that the "adding a license" was tricky on vms because you could  C lose all *other* licenses running on the machine in the process :-\   
 Sincerely, John GALLET    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:51:32 +0100* From: John GALLET <john.gallet@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: c++ compiler E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0502010947430.11437-100000@ns2261.ovh.net>    Hi,   # > have you seen this thread in COV?  Yes I did.  G > It appears a couple people are cooperating on getting a GCC 3.x port  E > done. I haven't found any new info or links on GCC since the above  	 > thread. > Neither have I so I assumed the port was not ready/public yet.  J > (ADA) compiler to OpenVMS. If I had an urgent need for the GCC, I would  > try asking there... ) > http://www.gnat.com/gnatpro_summary.php J Thanks for the direct link, I did end up on gnat.com in my wild searches, H but did not undertand why, and saw nothing at first glance on the front  page.   J > Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machine will show you how the site looked when it ) > was last updated back on June 02, 2003. * > http://web.archive.org/web/*/vms.gnu.org > or on Apr 04, 2003. 9 > http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://vms.gnu.ai.mit.edu/   D Thanks for reminding me of these kind of things, I have been google H powered for a while, but I never think about this kind of sites when an  old one is down.  1 I did find there a couple of interesting things.    
 Thanks again. 
 Sincerely, John GALLET    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:09:39 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk/ Subject: Re: DCL script for a dummy like me ... ) Message-ID: <ctnri3$7jp$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   j In article <48Rb+04XzC97@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:W >In article <41FC5C1E.8040803@tsoft-inc.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >> JF Mezei wrote: >>   >>> Z wrote: >>>  >>>>Michael Austin wrote:  >>>>> >>>>>$ write sys$output f$file("login.com","file_length_hint")L >>>>>(85,3172)  !<<<<------ first number is number of records, second is the >>>>>byte count  >>>>> ( >>>>What a useful tidbit of information. >>>> >>> G >>> Doesn't the file_hint only apply to certain types of files on ODS-5 G >>> volumes ? Are there specific values returned when the systen cannot  >>> profile those values ? >>>  >>  4 >> Well, just get onto a VMS process, and type HELP. >>  # >> All kinds of useful information.  >>  S >> Ok Mike, what part of your life suffers such that you have time to sit and read   >> all of VMS HELP?  :-) > < >Except HELP LEXIC F$FILE ARG doesn't mention any specifics @ >for which files the file_length_hint arg returns valid numbers.B >It mentions that an invalidated count will return -1, but not whyA >it thought the count invalid.  I don't mind RTFMing, or in this  / >case RTFHing, but sometimes HELP doesn't help.   ? A quick test on an ODS-5 volume seems to show valid results for # variable files such as my login.com   F Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes, longest 79 bytes4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control   and for   - variable fixed control (file produced by DCL)   H Record format:      VFC, 2 byte header, maximum 0 bytes, longest 7 bytes/ Record attributes:  Print file carriage control     . but  invalid result ie (-1,-1)  for exe files   1 Record format:      Fixed length 512 byte records  Record attributes:  None   and for stream_lf files   A Record format:      Stream_LF, maximum 0 bytes, longest 512 bytes 4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control       which seems rather odd.   L If the values returned are really accurate and worked for all types of filesM then this would appear to be a solution to the CSWS 2.0 problem of having to  N provide size information about files it serves (albeit restricting CSWS 2.0 to working with ODS-5 disks).  
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University        ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:30:46 +0100A From: Christian Corti <Christian.Corti@studserv.uni-stuttgart.de> A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA + Message-ID: <4ru3d2-i2j.ln1@news.online.de>   7 In alt.sys.pdp11 John Hudak <jhudak@sei.cmu.edu> wrote:  [unreadable stuff]  ; Please read http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html   	 Christian    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:03:20 -0800+ From: "Carl Appellof" <doctorcja@yahoo.com> A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA ) Message-ID: <gWMLd.7341$oR.4860@fe07.lga>   7 "patrick jankowiak" <eccm@swbell.net> wrote in message  # news:41F5AEBE.4010802@swbell.net...   - > We know what hollywood would do to them. :(   I Hey!  Hollywood immortalized a PDP-10 opcode in the movie "TRON" (opcode   666, the Number of the Beast).   Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:53:45 GMT 1 From: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx> A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA : Message-ID: <slrncvv9g4.r92.jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx>  9 On 2005-02-01, Carl Appellof <doctorcja@yahoo.com> wrote: 9 > "patrick jankowiak" <eccm@swbell.net> wrote in message  % > news:41F5AEBE.4010802@swbell.net... . >> We know what hollywood would do to them. :(K > Hey!  Hollywood immortalized a PDP-10 opcode in the movie "TRON" (opcode    > 666, the Number of the Beast).   Oh? Tell me more.    ...jay Maynard, the Tron Guy   ------------------------------    Date: 01 Feb 2005 13:38:30 -05003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA . Message-ID: <mdd4qgwi0rd.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  * John Hudak <jhudak@sei.cmu.edu> top-posts:  < [ moved for the sake of people who know how to read Usenet ]   > Bill Gunshannon wrote:  D >>  In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,7 >>  	Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> writes:   # >>> MoS | Museum of Science, Boston  >>> http://www.tcm.org/   L >> Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff includingL >> stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis Ritchie?  I sure didn't: >> see anything vintage computer related on thier website.   >>  bill  O > Hmmm, I didn't think they *trashed* their stuff...My understanding is that it M > was moved to the west coast and only a subset of the stuff was displayed...   L Much stuff was destroyed--for example, the Stanford PDP-6 which was given toM them following the 20 Anniversary celebration at the 1984 DECUS Fall Symposia I seems to have disappeared completely.  The Computer History Museum is the O result of rescuing as much as possible from their junk heap, and moving on from  there.   --  L Rich Alderson                                       | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |L news@alderson.users.panix.com                       | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |L                          --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:36:37 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: Fault-tolerant VMS , Message-ID: <44udnUP3aYKZP2LcRVn-3Q@igs.net>   Keith Parris wrote:  > Tom M wrote:/ >> The NSK hardware may not be appropriate. See  >> >>L http://www.realworldtech.com/forums/index.cfm?action=detail&PostNum=3044&Thr ead=113&entryID=45371&roomID=11  >>C >> "This uses loosely-coupled duplex or triplex MPUs, with separate G >> memories, voting only at bus-synchronized I/O events. This works for ? >> our message-based OS and transaction workloads, but it won't  >> generalize to Unix etc."  > E > New concepts like "zones" had to be invented and implemented in VMS D > for the VAXft series. I have no doubt that if VMS Engineering wereE > directed and funded to support the NonStop Itanium boxes, they'd be  > quite able to do so.    L Would you care to offer a W.A.G. as to how many man/person months this might! take to do if it were to be done?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:36:32 -0500& From: "Donald Plugge" <plugge@usa.net> Subject: File Transfer Options5 Message-ID: <D6PLd.2552$Ny6.4313@mencken.net.nih.gov>   F I'm attempting to remove data from an old VAX/VMS system to help out aF researcher on our campus.  I'm quite familar with OpenVMS, but not hisI system.  He uses the GCG analysis package and other than that most of the  files are person data files.  I I have a copy of GZIP by Klaus Reimann and it builds fine on this system. K However, it crashes on a few of the files I'm trying to ZIP.  I thought was J to ZIP all the user directories separately, then FTP them off to a WindowsK machine and they could do as they like with them.  What would best the most K robust and cross platform solution (GZIP, VMSTAR...)?  I'd like the utility J to skip any files it can't ZIP, rather than simly crashing.  Perhaps thereC is a switch that I'm not using for GZIP.  Or perhaps I should use a * different Freeware package.  Any thoughts?  
 Sincerely,   --   Donald G Plugge  Systems Manager  NCI/EIB Flow Cytometry Lab
 (301)435-6429    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 02:23:45 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> B Subject: Re: How do I use terminal emulator with escape sequences?* Message-ID: <41FF2E81.30100@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:   " > john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com wrote: >  >>In Unix, I can enter:  >>2 >>echo "\033P\$smyterminalemulatorfile.psl \033\\" >> >  > On VMS you can:  >  > $SAY = "write sys$output"  > $ESC[0,8] = %x1B3 > $say "''esc'$smyterminalemulatorfile.psl ''esc'\"  > H > Insude a double quotes string you can have symbol substitution done by. > having the symbol name enclosed in ''symbol' >   3 Fine.  But most of us use base10, not octal or hex.   # What's wrong with ESC[0,8] = 27 ???    Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 03:40:56 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> B Subject: Re: How do I use terminal emulator with escape sequences?B Message-ID: <1107246582.eaeecceedc6a7838403d7a6d28c8d4c7@teranews>   Dave Froble wrote:5 > Fine.  But most of us use base10, not octal or hex.  > % > What's wrong with ESC[0,8] = 27 ???   B Not cryptic enough for a Unix guy :-) :-) :-) :-) He specified his  escape character in octal value!  G Someone showed how to specify it in octal in VMS, I showed hos to do it G in hex, and you did in decimal. So the guy saw the extremem versatility  that VMS is capable of :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2005 05:05:27 -0800 $ From: "ugex" <edgar_ulloa@yahoo.com>B Subject: Re: How do I use terminal emulator with escape sequences?C Message-ID: <1107263127.107225.141360@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   D if you need build a menu with escape sentences you could follow this
 instructions.   & if you in pc with reflection emulator.   $edit/edt name.txt *C
 block num key , key number 2 and number 7 from long keyboard block number key again* key number 3 from numeric pad (right side)   will appear  in screen <esc> <esc>[2j clear screen  <esc>#6 High and strech  <esc>#3 high upper <esc>#4 high lower <esc>[1m  text <esc>[0m   bold! <esc>[4m  text <esc>[0m underline  [5m                  [0m blink  [7m                  [0m reverse' <esc>(0 aaaaaaaaaaaaaa <esc>(B     Line    when finish your menu or file  crtl z *exit     Direcly from console or terminal  replace key block num by pf1 key   Cheers   Edgar Ulloa    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2005 08:13:00 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.orgB Subject: Re: How do I use terminal emulator with escape sequences?3 Message-ID: <83JTFZOUVdpr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <1107263127.107225.141360@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "ugex" <edgar_ulloa@yahoo.com> writes:F > if you need build a menu with escape sentences you could follow this > instructions.  > ( > if you in pc with reflection emulator. >  > $edit/edt name.txt > *C > block num key . > key number 2 and number 7 from long keyboard > block number key again, > key number 3 from numeric pad (right side)   Easier:    $ EDIT /EDT name.txt *c4  Press escape (or control-left-square-bracket) twice  <ESC> appears  F If you want an escape sequence corresponding to a particular keypress, e.g. an up arrow:   3  Press escape (or control-left-square-bracket) once   Press the up arrow   <ESC>[A appears    > If you prefer to use TPU/EVE, you can use control-V instead...   $ EDIT /TPU name.txt  Press control-V.  Press <ESC>  (Or control-left-square bracket)   An escape character is inserted  J And if you want an escape sequence corresponding to a particular keypress, e.g. an up arrow:     Press control-V  Press up arrow   <ESC>[A is inserted    
 HOWEVER...  D Embedding escape characters directly into a DCL .COM file is frowned7 upon.  It makes it difficult to type or print the file.   H The approach that is normally taken is the one that has appeared several times in the thread:  B $ ESC = ""	! Often omitted -- makes sure ESC is not a pre-existing8 $		! multi-character string or non-string symbol.  Since7 $		! it's a local symbol and since you're presumably in 7 $		! control of your own code, you can normally be sure 6 $		! that ESC is undefined until you define it with... $ ESC[0,8] = 27 : $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT ESC, "[2J"	! One syntax to clear screenL $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT ESC + "[2J"	! Another syntax ("+" = string concatenation)/ $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "''ESC'[2J"	! A third syntax   = If you need to suppress carriage control, one approach is to:   C $  READ SYS$COMMAND GARBAGE /PROMPT="''ESC'[2J" /TIME=0 /ERROR=NEXT  $ NEXT:    And another approach is to:   M $ PIPE WRITE SYS$OUTPUT ESC+"[2J" | CONVERT SYS$PIPE SYS$OUTPUT /FDL=NOCC.FDL    And in NOCC.FDL:    RECORD   CARRIAGE_CONTROL NONE    D Note that the WRITE command uses one string syntax and the READ uses another.  F This is because the WRITE command takes a list of parameters and theseD parameters undergo automatic expression evaluation.  (There are onlyB a few DCL contexts where this is done.  WRITE, IF, EXIT, "=", "=="E and in the argument lists of lexical functions are the ones that come 	 to mind).   @ The input to the READ command is a qualifier value and automatic: expression evaluation does not take place in that context.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2005 06:58:56 -0800  From: john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com B Subject: Re: How do I use terminal emulator with escape sequences?B Message-ID: <1107269936.822584.84560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  4 It is just part of what is required by the emulator.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2005 07:33:00 -0800  From: john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com B Subject: Re: How do I use terminal emulator with escape sequences?C Message-ID: <1107271980.611881.180420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   $ Thanks.  Here is what I got to work:   $SAY = "write sys$output"    $ESC[0,7] = 27  * $say "''esc'P$smyemulatorfile.psl ''esc'\"  % If interested, here is the help file:     Activating Scripts From the Host  D A host application may activate a script file or script commands via special escape sequences.    Escape Sequences for VT 1 Activating a script file by the name Script-Name:    ESCP$sScript-NameESC \  * Example: activating the message.psl script   ESCP$smessage.pslESC\    Note: ESC is the ASCII 27 code. + Activating script commands Script-Commands:    ESCP$tScript-CommandsESC \  = Example: activating the "message testing ; send end" commands   $ ESCP$tmessage testing ; send endESC\   Escape Sequences for DG 1 Activating a script file by the name Script-Name:    ESCWsScript-Name000     Note : ESC is the ASCII 30 code. 000 is the ASCII 0 code.+ Activating script commands Script-Commands:    ESCWtScript-Commands000    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2005 07:41:08 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>B Subject: Re: How do I use terminal emulator with escape sequences?C Message-ID: <1107272468.099604.216410@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>     john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com wrote:6 > It is just part of what is required by the emulator.  C If you want a useful answer, you will have to provide the necessary E information. TELLING US WHAT EMULATOR YOU ARE USING WOULD BE HELPFUL. ? TELLING US WHAT'S IN THE FILE WOULD BE HELPFUL. TELLING US IT'S / REQUIRED BY THE EMULATOR IS NOT HELPFUL AT ALL.  We are not mind readers.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:24:56 -0000% From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> 2 Subject: Re: MySQL 4.1.9  for OpenVMS AXP and IA640 Message-ID: <10vv0p9l5avn0e3@corp.supernews.com>  / What are the changes from 4.1.8, Jean-Francois?   D "Jean-Franois Pironne" <jf.pieronne@laposte.net> wrote in message 1 news:41ff79ed$0$10474$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr... 4 > MySQL 4.1.9 is available for OpenVMS AXP and IA64. > $ > This is the latest stable version. >  > Download from:. > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/ >  >  > Jean-Franois    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:55:18 +0100 1 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?= 2 Subject: Re: MySQL 4.1.9  for OpenVMS AXP and IA646 Message-ID: <41ff9857$0$2183$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>   issinoho a crit :1 > What are the changes from 4.1.8, Jean-Francois?  >    You can take a look at1 http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/news-4-1-9.html   F > "Jean-Franois Pironne" <jf.pieronne@laposte.net> wrote in message 3 > news:41ff79ed$0$10474$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...  > 4 >>MySQL 4.1.9 is available for OpenVMS AXP and IA64. >>$ >>This is the latest stable version. >> >>Download from:. >>http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/ >> >> >>Jean-Franois  >  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:21:05 -0000% From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> 2 Subject: Re: MySQL 4.1.9  for OpenVMS AXP and IA640 Message-ID: <10vv7j3jfl5in5b@corp.supernews.com>  M mysqladmin password now checks whether the server has --old-passwords turned  : on or predates 4.1 and uses the old-format password if so.  
 Excellent.  D "Jean-Franois Pironne" <jf.pieronne@laposte.net> wrote in message 0 news:41ff9857$0$2183$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr... > issinoho a crit :2 >> What are the changes from 4.1.8, Jean-Francois? >> >  > You can take a look at3 > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/news-4-1-9.html  > G >> "Jean-Franois Pironne" <jf.pieronne@laposte.net> wrote in message  4 >> news:41ff79ed$0$10474$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr... >>5 >>>MySQL 4.1.9 is available for OpenVMS AXP and IA64.  >>> % >>>This is the latest stable version.  >>>  >>>Download from: / >>>http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/  >>>  >>>  >>>Jean-Franois >> >>     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:48:06 +0100 1 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?=  Subject: Re: MySQL problem7 Message-ID: <41ff6c77$0$18866$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>    Ken Robinson wrote:    [snip]   >  > I had a few minor problems: H > 1) for some reason the MySQL I have installed didn't like the languageI > UTF-8.  I removed all references I could find from the source files and  > the config file.  8 strange, because MySQL is build using the UTF-8 support:, $ search mysql_root:[include]my_config.h utf #define HAVE_CHARSET_utf8 1     8 If you can build a small reproducer, I will take a look.  H > 2) One function came up as undefined even though it was in the includeG > file. I commented the function call out and, so far, everything seems  > to be working fine.  >  > Ken  >   
 Jean-Franois    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2005 07:50:57 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>@ Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMSC Message-ID: <1107273056.993336.309700@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Dave Froble wrote: > AEF wrote: >  > G > > But, Alphas can still be had even now, 3.5 yrs. later. The road map B > > says thru at least 2006 (OK, that can't be taken for granted). Support E > > to at least 2011 (same quals). So assuming the 2006/2011 dates to  beE > > good, any Alphas bought prior to the Alphacide can still be used, G > > upgraded, what have you thru 2006. So that's at least 5 yrs on your @ > > pre-Alphacide Alphas. Is that the end of the world? Hey, I'm running  > > MicroVAX systems!  >  > A > If you're running a large company, with extensive investment in  applicationsE > that enable your business, what do you do, plan on shutting down in  2011?   , Well, I think 10 years is quite a long time.   > F > Ok, a bit too much, but, you'd not want to see any roadblocks to the	 future of F > your company.  Any supplier that would not commit to you that they'd be thereC > just as long as you want them to be would soon disappear from you  list of  [...rest of answer snipped...]   Thanks much for your answer!   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2005 08:05:48 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>@ Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMSC Message-ID: <1107273373.998843.195780@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    John Smith wrote:  > AEF wrote: > > AEF wrote: > >> Dave Froble wrote:  > >>> AEF wrote: [...]  > > G > > But, Alphas can still be had even now, 3.5 yrs. later. The road map B > > says thru at least 2006 (OK, that can't be taken for granted). Support E > > to at least 2011 (same quals). So assuming the 2006/2011 dates to  beE > > good, any Alphas bought prior to the Alphacide can still be used, G > > upgraded, what have you thru 2006. So that's at least 5 yrs on your @ > > pre-Alphacide Alphas. Is that the end of the world? Hey, I'm running  > > MicroVAX systems!  > ! > This is a gross simplification: E > a) HP has stockpiled a bunch of Alpha cpu's manufactured during the  last two" > rounds of FABing (EV7 and EV7z).G > b) HP will stop manufacturing Alpha-based servers sometime in 2005-6. F > c) HP will stop selling Alpha-based servers in 2006 (assuming demand for  > IA-64 servers is increasing). D > d) HP will stock spare parts for Alpha-based servers for another 5 years 9 > (this is an FTC requirement, not HP being 'good guys'). 3 > e) The Ebay market for used Alpha's will heat up.  >  > D > > But I'm still confused on the current Alpha situation. If it wasE > > killed, why are they still available? Are any currently available G > > Alphas better than the best that was available before Jun 25, 2001? G > > What about Samsung? Why don't they make any? If hp would change its F > > mind and decide to resurrect Alpha, what are the obstacles, legal,B > > techincal, or otherwise? And what about the Alpha Retain Trust > > program? > B > a) HP granted Intel a license to the Alpha technology but HP has retained > ownership of the IP rights. D > b) HP could restart development on Alpha if they desired -ie. hire chipG > desigers, etc.. but they just sold off their last chip team to Intel,  so > what does that tell you?  " They'd have to start from scratch.  B > c) Samsung was making Alpha CPU's and enhancing them until Curly	 killed it D > in 2001. I'm sure that certain groups within Samsung would like to slice B > various anatomical bits off certain people still employed by HP.G > d) Retain Trust is a phrase much like the title of the Cheech & Chong  movie,D > "Up In Smoke". EV79 was promised in Retain Trust - it has not beenG > 'retained'. PL/1 compiler users are getting hosed - only a large part  of theE > large-sized VMS customer base. As part of the Retain Trust program,  HPE > Senior Executive VP Scott Stallard publicly encouraged VMS users to  switchA > to HP-UX (strictly speaking that's not true - he just said that  knowing fullF > well the 'solemn' commitments to VMS contained within Retain Trust). OK. Thanks for the summary!    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2005 08:41:50 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>@ Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMSC Message-ID: <1107276110.895589.176370@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > AEF wrote:F > > And what made you so sure of this risk? VMS hasn't been killed, so* > > perhaps your warnings were for naught. > E > At the time Compaq was telling customers was safe, Curly was having 6 > meetings to seriously consider retiring the product. > A > At the time Compaq had all those white papers and presentations  showing < > how dismal IA64 was going to be and how Alpha would retain
 superiority,. & > Compaq was planning to retire Alpha.  B This is a fascinating juxtaposition of sentences. Are you sure you wrote what you meant?    > E > When a vendor has repeatedly lied to customers, broken promises, it  isC > only natural that those who have been negatively affected by this  would @ > ensure as many people are aware of these not so ethical moves.  E Fine, but I don't see how that is going to help sales of VMS. And the G smaller the VMS base, the more likely it is, and the easier it will be,  for hp to put VMS to rest.   [...] > > In the press releases and interviews, Gorham did mention one	 important G > number: 600 important customers. These are probably the same as those G > who were big enough to warrant a meeting wity Compaq execs on June 25 E > 2001 to negotiate whatever Compaq negotiated to prevent too rapid a @ > defection from VMS after the announcemebnt that Alpha had been murdered > by Compaq. > ? > 600 is a far cry from the 411,000 that is also quoted. And if 	 Compaq/HP ? > has cordial relations with only 600 customers, and allows the 	 remaining G > 400,000 to try to read between the lines to try to understand what HP  is' > *really* up to, then that says a lot.  > B > Maybe you are part of the 600 or are an HP employee and thus get special E > treatment. But normal small customers don't get that treatment. And  all   D No, I am not one of the 600. Not only that, I am running on MicroVAXB systems! They are (except for the TLZ07 tape drives) astonishingly> reliable. I've had an average of about 35 to 40 of them onlineC continuously for about 4.5 years and have had maybe about that many G memory errors TOTAL. A very few power supplies went bad (maybe 3 or 4), - one network card, a few disks, and that's it!   B > we have to go on is those very few announcements and must try to# > interpolate HP's true intentions.  >  [...] G > Please understand that small customers have to try to figure out what D > HP's true intentions, and based on the past, there is to reason to trust  > the owner of VMS.   7 Uh, I think you meant "there is NO reason to trust...".    >  >  > Trust is earned. >  [...]  >  > C > > Rich Marcello's talk has a paragraph that is very flattering of  VMS.G > > And no other OS got that much of a boost in any of the three talks.  >  > G > What percentage of people saw betyond Carly,s endless loop devoide of A > content ? When it became clear that this wasn't a live event, I  suspect E > most just went away and didn't bother reverse engineering the flash  to2 > try go beyond the time-waster of Carly's speech.  C Maybe they're trying to emulate the time when Bill Gates introduced G Windows98 and he powered up the demo PC and it crashed during the boot! 4 (I think is was Win98.) If it worked for Bill... ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:50:44 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> @ Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS, Message-ID: <41FFC174.7000808@tsoft-inc.com>  
 AEF wrote:   > JF Mezei wrote:   E >>At the time Compaq was telling customers was safe, Curly was having 6 >>meetings to seriously consider retiring the product. >>A >>At the time Compaq had all those white papers and presentations  >>	 > showing  > < >>how dismal IA64 was going to be and how Alpha would retain >> > superiority,.  > & >>Compaq was planning to retire Alpha. >> > D > This is a fascinating juxtaposition of sentences. Are you sure you > wrote what you meant?    He knows what he wrote.     That is EXACTLY how it happened.  ( Now do you understand the lack of trust?  O Note, the white paper is still available if you search around a bit.  I'm sure  Q there are plenty of individuals who saved copies of it.  However, you won't find  5 it where it originally appeared, the Compaq web site.   , These 'people' practice revisionist history.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:53:47 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>@ Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS= Message-ID: <cc-dnV7aYZuwX2LcRVn-3A@metrocastcablevision.com>   
 AEF wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >>AEF wrote: >>E >>>And what made you so sure of this risk? VMS hasn't been killed, so ) >>>perhaps your warnings were for naught.  >>E >>At the time Compaq was telling customers was safe, Curly was having 6 >>meetings to seriously consider retiring the product. >>A >>At the time Compaq had all those white papers and presentations  > 	 > showing  > < >>how dismal IA64 was going to be and how Alpha would retain >  > superiority,.  > & >>Compaq was planning to retire Alpha. >  > D > This is a fascinating juxtaposition of sentences. Are you sure you > wrote what you meant?   $ What he wrote was precisely correct.  F A public 1999 "Commitment to Alpha" letter from two senior Compaq VPs D detailing committed Alpha development through EV8 and sketching out F further development through EV10 was displayed on the Compaq Web site F until over a month *after* the Alphacide.  It encouraged customers to I bet their businesses on Alpha because that's what Compaq was doing - and  H high-level Compaq management and sales people were doing the same right 2 up through the last week before Alpha got the axe.  G A white paper describing in technical depth the deficiencies of Itanic eH and why Alpha would remain superior was on public display for a similar  period.e  E Ironically, Curly's thoughts about killing Alpha appear to date from fH about the same time (i.e., just after he took the reins of Compaq).  In I August, 1999 he killed NT on Alpha and around then (as noted previously) nH was contemplating freezing VMS development as of 2003 - hardly the acts I of someone who considered Alpha's long-term future important.  According wH to Terry Shannon, by late 2000 he was just waiting for the right moment  to drop the hammer.I   >  > E >>When a vendor has repeatedly lied to customers, broken promises, itr >  > is > C >>only natural that those who have been negatively affected by this  >  > wouldI > @ >>ensure as many people are aware of these not so ethical moves. >  > ? > Fine, but I don't see how that is going to help sales of VMS.Q  F You're still very confused:  it's not *our* job to help sales of VMS, F it's *HP's*.  Should HP actually start doing so credibly, rather than I continue to act as if it couldn't care less about the product, then, and pF only then, might we consider it our job to provide assistance in that  effort.r   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:45:15 -0000% From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com>f Subject: Official Logo0 Message-ID: <10vuuf3bo5ks56a@corp.supernews.com>  L Given the recent high profile nature of VMS following the 8.2 launch, would > it be too much to ask that HP provide us with a cool new logo?  E Barring the fairly tacky shark logo from years ago (was that ever an sK official logo?) it seems ludicrous that we don't have something to compete  + with the Linux penguin or the Redmond flag.l  E It's simple things like this that further marginalise us and give an e' impression of inactivity. What say you?u   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2005 08:18:41 -0600c- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)v Subject: Re: Official Logo3 Message-ID: <2jupdl+VF2nl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <10vuuf3bo5ks56a@corp.supernews.com>, "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> writes:N > Given the recent high profile nature of VMS following the 8.2 launch, would @ > it be too much to ask that HP provide us with a cool new logo?  E HP provides logos for their own use, like the VMS on Itanium one they   showed at the last VMS Bootcamp.  * If you want a logo for yourself, make one.  4 > Barring the fairly tacky shark logo from years ago  
 I liked that.   G > It's simple things like this that further marginalise us and give an  ) > impression of inactivity. What say you?t  K I say you did not go to the VMS Bootcamp and can be marginalized as someonei who is not paying attention.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:40:57 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>j Subject: RE: Official LogoR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53EEAD@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----/ > From: issinoho [mailto:issinoho@gmail.com]=20p  > Sent: February 1, 2005 7:45 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Official Logo >=20B > Given the recent high profile nature of VMS following the 8.2=20 > launch, would=20@ > it be too much to ask that HP provide us with a cool new logo? >=20I > Barring the fairly tacky shark logo from years ago (was that ever an=20a: > official logo?) it seems ludicrous that we don't have=20 > something to compete=20w- > with the Linux penguin or the Redmond flag.s >=20I > It's simple things like this that further marginalise us and give an=20n) > impression of inactivity. What say you?  >=20   OpenVMS does have a new logo.0   Check it out at:6 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/index.html   Regardsa  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanti HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660t Fax: 613-591-4477, kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:54:37 -0000% From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com>- Subject: Re: Official Logo0 Message-ID: <10vv61fe8i7e91c@corp.supernews.com>  M Do you try to be offensive or are you simply attempting to drive more people @! away with your superior attitude.b  L Some of us are hobbyists with little or no resources or opportunity to take L part in your 'bootcamps' but would appreciate some respect in participating J and hopefully contributing to a scene which, lets be frank, needs all the  help it can get.  - I find nothing constructive in your comments.o  ; "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message r- news:2jupdl+VF2nl@eisner.encompasserve.org... > > In article <10vuuf3bo5ks56a@corp.supernews.com>, "issinoho"  > <issinoho@gmail.com> writes:I >> Given the recent high profile nature of VMS following the 8.2 launch, c >> wouldA >> it be too much to ask that HP provide us with a cool new logo?  >>G > HP provides logos for their own use, like the VMS on Itanium one theyn" > showed at the last VMS Bootcamp. > , > If you want a logo for yourself, make one. >u5 >> Barring the fairly tacky shark logo from years ago  >  > I liked that.C >FG >> It's simple things like this that further marginalise us and give anh* >> impression of inactivity. What say you? >aF > I say you did not go to the VMS Bootcamp and can be marginalized as 	 > someone  > who is not paying attention.     ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:58:05 -0000% From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Official Logo0 Message-ID: <10vv67v32jtlkb3@corp.supernews.com>  @ Thanks, Kerry, for the helpful response. I appreciate your time.  " What do we all think of this logo?    3 "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in message dL news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53EEAD@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net...     > -----Original Message-----, > From: issinoho [mailto:issinoho@gmail.com]  > Sent: February 1, 2005 7:45 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Official Logo > ? > Given the recent high profile nature of VMS following the 8.2m > launch, would @ > it be too much to ask that HP provide us with a cool new logo? > F > Barring the fairly tacky shark logo from years ago (was that ever an7 > official logo?) it seems ludicrous that we don't haver > something to compete- > with the Linux penguin or the Redmond flag.i >rF > It's simple things like this that further marginalise us and give an) > impression of inactivity. What say you?a >e   OpenVMS does have a new logo.    Check it out at:6 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/index.html   Regardsh  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantu HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660s Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)-  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:15:58 -0700s+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>- Subject: Re: Official Logo' Message-ID: <41FF9D2E.2010603@MMaz.com>C   issinoho wrote:o  A >Thanks, Kerry, for the helpful response. I appreciate your time.l >i# >What do we all think of this logo?R >6 >  7 >aI As has been discussed in the past, drop the 'Open' since it doesn't mean BA anything, and enlarge the VMS to make it more pronounced and the e center-piece of the logo...o   Barrya   --    < Barry Treahy, Jr                     E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com< Midwest Microwave, Inc.                  Phone: 480/314-1320< Vice President & CIO                      FAX:  480/661-7028  I                        ... but it's a DRY HEAT!                              ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:23:49 GMT0" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Official Logo0 Message-ID: <00A3EBD0.95926514@SendSpamHere.ORG>  X In article <10vv67v32jtlkb3@corp.supernews.com>, "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> writes:A >Thanks, Kerry, for the helpful response. I appreciate your time.o > # >What do we all think of this logo?    :-     -- e< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  -- @, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! p -- .K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMa   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:13:19 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>e Subject: RE: Official LogoR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53EEB5@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----5 > From: Barry Treahy, Jr. [mailto:Treahy@MMaz.com]=20r! > Sent: February 1, 2005 10:16 AMs > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Re: Official Logo >=20 > issinoho wrote:h >=20C > >Thanks, Kerry, for the helpful response. I appreciate your time.n > >i% > >What do we all think of this logo?r > >i > > =20t > > @ > As has been discussed in the past, drop the 'Open' since it=20 > doesn't mean=20hE > anything, and enlarge the VMS to make it more pronounced and the=20o > center-piece of the logo...s >=20 > Barry  >=20   Barry,  ! Re: drop "Open" part of OpenVMS..p  D Keith Cayemberg mentioned something in recent posting that I had notH really thought about - there are numerous "VMS" products out there today7 and dropping the "Open" would confuse things even more.   6 As an example, check out Cisco's VMS product offering:  / http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/prod_103101.htmlu   Regardsn  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2005 11:11:49 -0600g- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Official Logo3 Message-ID: <8cs40M2EWe$Z@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <10vv61fe8i7e91c@corp.supernews.com>, "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> writes:O > Do you try to be offensive or are you simply attempting to drive more people P# > away with your superior attitude.n  E I was following in kind with your cavalier attitude about the effortss( that HP _is_ putting into promoting VMS.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:24:45 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: RE: Official LogoQ Message-ID: <OFE3764673.7538A4BF-ON85256F9B.005F779A-85256F9B.005FDC3F@metso.com>t  B "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote on 02/01/2005 09:40:57 AM:   >  >e > > -----Original Message-----. > > From: issinoho [mailto:issinoho@gmail.com]" > > Sent: February 1, 2005 7:45 AM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com1 > > Subject: Official Logo > >DA > > Given the recent high profile nature of VMS following the 8.2s > > launch, would$B > > it be too much to ask that HP provide us with a cool new logo? > >lH > > Barring the fairly tacky shark logo from years ago (was that ever an9 > > official logo?) it seems ludicrous that we don't havey > > something to compete/ > > with the Linux penguin or the Redmond flag.  > >aH > > It's simple things like this that further marginalise us and give an+ > > impression of inactivity. What say you?r > >t >I > OpenVMS does have a new logo.e >e > Check it out at:8 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/index.html  8 Well, it's not a shark, and it's not a penquin, and it's not cute enough by half.  3 I think what's wanted is a logo/mascot cute thingy.i  - The VAX (Cheshire) Virtual Cat comes to mind.i  @ It needs to be readily identifiable, and easily identified with," and not to change every 18 months.  ? I think the operative word is branding.  Somebody should invent 
 something....e         > 	 > Regardst >L > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant- > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660: > Fax: 613-591-4477a > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT)  > & > "OpenVMS has always had integrity ..  > Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:29:17 +0100>0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> Subject: Re: Official Logo@ Message-ID: <41ffbc6d$0$810$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Main, Kerry wrote: >>-----Original Message-----3 >>From: Barry Treahy, Jr. [mailto:Treahy@MMaz.com] n! >>Sent: February 1, 2005 10:16 AMd >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma >>Subject: Re: Official Logo >> >>issinoho wrote:  >> >>C >>>Thanks, Kerry, for the helpful response. I appreciate your time.e >>>-% >>>What do we all think of this logo?u >>>  >>>  >>>: >>> >>As has been discussed in the past, drop the 'Open' since it  >>doesn't mean sC >>anything, and enlarge the VMS to make it more pronounced and the a >>center-piece of the logo...t >> >>Barrya >> >  >  > Barry, > # > Re: drop "Open" part of OpenVMS..  > F > Keith Cayemberg mentioned something in recent posting that I had notJ > really thought about - there are numerous "VMS" products out there today9 > and dropping the "Open" would confuse things even more.  > I What I wrote in another thread, was in response to which name to use for eG an entry to Wikipedia. It reflects my experience searching for OpenVMS -E relevant products in the Internet. Following the two links I provide . should be quite illustrative...e  D OpenVMS is the name already being used in Wiki, and it has it's own I definition as well. Although I also have a distaste for how the name was eG played with for marketing purposes, and the confusion it has caused, I l@ am thankful for it when I'm looking in the Internet for OpenVMS I products. VMS has over a dozen other meanings such as Vehicle Management 3/ System, JAVA VMs, and Vessel Monitoring System. L http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=VMS&Find=FindP http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=OpenVMS&Find=FindD Therefore I encourage the use of the silent "Open" in written form, / especially for documents visible in the Intent.   I Another way to look at it is to compare searching for VMS in Google with e
 OpenVMS...    	VMS		about 3,050,000 references  $ 	OpenVMS		about 1,660,000 references  H Unfortunately, some percentage of the VMS references will have products G which could be useful for someone here, but may require one to visit a  E large percentage of links which have nothing to do with the intended 7F operating system. In some cases the "Open" is mistakenly written as a G separate word before the VMS. This however is easy enough to check for.c  $ 	"Open VMS"	about 169,000 references  I In my experience, OpenVMS (as one word) has always been uniquely used to lG mean the operating system product. Another consideration, in as far as bF marketing goes, is that people who first hear VMS often think you are G talking about MVS. This has happened to me in he past. And sometimes I )F have discovered only much later that the person totally misunderstood  what I was talking about..  D So, having OpenVMS as a "unique identifier" also has it's practical  advantages.u   Cheers!<   Keith Cayemberg              Cheers!T   Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:42:02 -0800% From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com>A Subject: Re: Official Logo7 Message-ID: <3f119ada05020109426192505f@mail.gmail.com>   G On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:58:05 -0000, issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote:rB > Thanks, Kerry, for the helpful response. I appreciate your time. > $ > What do we all think of this logo?  @ I saw it at IDF and figured it was just a flashy graphic for the< presentation, showing VMS through the various architectures.  D Shouldn't a logo feature it's product name most prominently? If FordF designed a new logo, I'd expect to see "Ford" before I saw "Goodyear".   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:46:55 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Official Logo) Message-ID: <ctofaf$deb$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>.  X In article <10vv67v32jtlkb3@corp.supernews.com>, "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> writes:A >Thanks, Kerry, for the helpful response. I appreciate your time.  >R# >What do we all think of this logo?s >a  G Do you mean the arrow thing ? Looks more like an Integrity servers logoR than a VMS logo.  
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   PS.   F I must have seen too many "VMS is dead" postings. At the bottom of the6 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/index.htmlI page is an advert for the Digital Press Bookstore with a whole lot of VMSyF books. Unfortunately the design of the covers looks just like a row of gravestones.       >s4 >"Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in message M >news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53EEAD@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net...E >, >" >> -----Original Message-----t- >> From: issinoho [mailto:issinoho@gmail.com] ! >> Sent: February 1, 2005 7:45 AM  >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: Official Logoa >>@ >> Given the recent high profile nature of VMS following the 8.2 >> launch, wouldA >> it be too much to ask that HP provide us with a cool new logo?a >>G >> Barring the fairly tacky shark logo from years ago (was that ever an 8 >> official logo?) it seems ludicrous that we don't have >> something to competer. >> with the Linux penguin or the Redmond flag. >>G >> It's simple things like this that further marginalise us and give an8* >> impression of inactivity. What say you? >> >l >OpenVMS does have a new logo. >e >Check it out at:87 >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/index.html  >r >Regards >o >Kerry Main  >Senior Consultant >HP Services Canada  >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax: 613-591-4477 >kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcomh >(remove the DOT's and AT) >a% >"OpenVMS has always had integrity ..p  >Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."  >r >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:59:45 -0500c' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>- Subject: Re: Official Logo, Message-ID: <41FFC391.4030701@tsoft-inc.com>   Main, Kerry wrote:    8 > As an example, check out Cisco's VMS product offering: > 1 > http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/prod_103101.htmlC    + What has HP done to 'protect' their 'name'?s  Q If nothing, then that's another indicator about how 'those in charge' feel about  2 VMS, or should I say Don't feel a thing about VMS.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:57:51 -0500d( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Official Logo= Message-ID: <cc-dnVnaYZu8XmLcRVn-3A@metrocastcablevision.com>:   issinoho wrote: B > Thanks, Kerry, for the helpful response. I appreciate your time. > $ > What do we all think of this logo?  B Leave it to HP to make sure that any effort expended on VMS gives - primary visibility to the Integrity hardware.w   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:29:24 -0500? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net>R& Subject: OpenVMS Boxen for Only USD8998 Message-ID: <hhLLd.7190$BQ2.1814@bignews6.bellsouth.net>   Alpha PWS500au 256MB Memory 9GB Disk UW SCSI On Board UW SCSI Controller-) Permedia 2 8MB PCI Graphics VMS 7.2-1> OKb IDE CDROM (Cypress Chipset)i 10/100 Ethernet On Board Floppy CD Quality Sound Keyboard Mouse
 No License   Total US$ 899 + $60 US Shippingr   -- n0 ________________________________________________ David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 314044 Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Mobile: 912 447 6622 X251Q Fax: 912 201 0402e Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com0 ________________________________________________   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:55:50 +0100-3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com>0? Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements UpdatedR, Message-ID: <368rfaF4vgui8U1@individual.net>  + On 2005-01-31 22:02, "warren sander" wrote:f  E > what you are pointing out is that the authors don't know how to uses > powerpoint etc. The words M > do flow outside the colored boxes. On both pages. The pdf's do have all theo > fonts embedded in them   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   That's correct indeed.  H > [so they will be in the .ps files also]. But I can't do much about the  > Powerpoint itself. HP requiredM > that Futura font be used for many things. I can't supply you with that fonto        ^^^^^^^^^^^ > unfortunately.  F You already do ;-) -- embedding the fonts into the PDF files (which is legal of course).   H You should make sure that the *author(s)* and/or *editor(s)* do have the0 "Futura" font family available on their systems.  C ("Mary-Jane V." is explicitely mentioned as "author", "Jorge B." as-C "manager", in the PDF meta-data. Even Mary-Jane's e-mail address isr
 available ;-)e  M > I have resaved the ppt file and clicked off to embed truetype fonts and nowe > it's over 25MBM > so the question for you all is this: will you 1) download and 2) use a 25MBm > ppt file of the roadmapsM > I really don't want to shove that out there and have to do it every time ifm > there isn't anyone who willn@ > really use it for something. Not just busy work for warren....  H I wouldn't download such a huge file -- being restricted to a 64k dialupH line. (That's why I prefer the PDF version. It's currently just a matter of the missing "editor notes".).   Michaeln   -- n; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.-5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.:   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 19:03:32 +1100R4 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au>( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station/ Message-ID: <41FF37D4.9080904@transgrid.com.au>    A few snips.   Keith Cayemberg wrote:< > Just curious, is/was VMS being used in this power station? >  Keith,  G In my days (up to 1982), CEGB was an IBM/Amdahl shop -- 360/370. A few MI other OS's for minor applications, but I cannot remember the details.  I f! cannot remember any DEC machines.   A Way back, I was one of the first to install remote access to our  D technical programs from our computing centre -- Park Street next to C Bankside PS.  And the journey Vaxman did was my frequent pickup of eI output.  Our building was adjacewnt to St Pauls, until we eventually had -F a remote printer, I had to make that journey for output.  What fun we  had in the 1960's :-)     6 > I'm also fascinated by it's impressive architecture. > F I loved the history of the UK.  Castles, cathedrals and all the rest. F And, power stations (even gas holders) had something about them.  Pre G nationalisation, many cities (I was born in Norwich at end of war) had  F local stations. They might not get too many architectural awards, but  they had a certain ambience.  	 > Cheers!s >  > K.C.   Regards, Paddy        G ***********************************************************************h  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegeds> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and adviseuB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.d  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid AA immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the u= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with  C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usess> virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:13:39 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station0 Message-ID: <00A3EBB6.04B207D3@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <41FF37D4.9080904@transgrid.com.au>, Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au> writes:
 >A few snips.d >n >Keith Cayemberg wrote:t= >> Just curious, is/was VMS being used in this power station?h >> 0 >Keith,t >aH >In my days (up to 1982), CEGB was an IBM/Amdahl shop -- 360/370. A few J >other OS's for minor applications, but I cannot remember the details.  I " >cannot remember any DEC machines. >bB >Way back, I was one of the first to install remote access to our E >technical programs from our computing centre -- Park Street next to vD >Bankside PS.  And the journey Vaxman did was my frequent pickup of J >output.  Our building was adjacewnt to St Pauls, until we eventually had G >a remote printer, I had to make that journey for output.  What fun we t >had in the 1960's :-)  D Surely that trek didn't take you across the Millenium foot bridge at that time.     --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.n -- v, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! k -- ?K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 19:23:45 +0100eS From: "B i t N i s s e n ;-)" <bitnissen#spammer_format_your_harddisk#@hotmail.com> - Subject: OT: FS AlphaServer 800 5/333 EU-areah8 Message-ID: <56hvv0tb3ru2i29g84km8ilodsgk9dm0dc@4ax.com>   Hi Guys   B I am selling my hobbyist server, because i have bought a PWS 500au   Specs: 	AlphaServer 800 5/333 	256 Mb Ram  	9,1 GB HDD  	Cd-romf
 	TLZ06-dat* 	No licenses - but OpenVMS 7.3-1 installed  0 Price EUR 200,- + shipping or pickup in Denmark.  9 I still have a lot of Digital Network Equipment for sale.c  : If you are interested in some of the parts - send me a bid   Buyer pays shippingr  . Product                       PART-NO      Pcs0 ----------------------------- ------------ -----. DecBridge 90                  DEWGB-M        2. DecBrouter 90T1               DEWB1-N        2. DECHUB 900 Powersupply        H7874-MA       3. DECHUB One (PSU)              DEHVA-NB       2. DecRepeater 90T-16            DETML-M        3. DecRepeater FA                DEFAR-M        2. Decserver 90L+                DSRVG-M       11. DECSwitch 900EE                              1. DECSwitch 900EF               DEFBA-M        1. Multiswitch HUB 624T          DLMR2-M        1. MuxServer 90                  DSRZF-E        6. PortSwitch 900TP/12           DETPX-M        3. Powersupply for X90 modules   H7027-AB       5. RouteAbout Access EI          DEXBR-M       11. RouteAbout access EW          DEXZR-M        4. RouteAbout Central Router EW  DEZ8R-P        2. WanRouter 90 EW               DEWAZ-E        2   Best regards   Jimmi Aakjr  1 Remove everything between ## in my e-mail addressw   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:55:51 -0000% From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com>a Subject: php bulletin boards0 Message-ID: <10vuv2p1c72op30@corp.supernews.com>   Friends,  G After a few days of fevered hacking I have managed to successfully get .M PHPBB2 running (unmodified) natively on my hobbyist Alpha PWS. Thanks to all h9 on this group for helping me stagger to this achievement.o  L Feel free to try the board at, http://www.issinoho.com:8080/phpbb2/index.php  F I'm hoping to use it to collate a repository of information regarding J setting up VAMP (VMS, Apache, MySQL, PHP) sites to help others spread the - word. Any contributions gratefully received.     ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:27:06 -0500# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>eH Subject: RE: Replacement for NotePad or Text editor for Windows machines: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDIEDMGAAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----G > From: lan_group@nist.gov [mailto:lan_group@nist.gov]On Behalf Of Riche > McKayt+ > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:30 PMa! > To: Multiple recipients of listaF > Subject: Replacement for NotePad or Text editor for Windows machines >  >  > G > Does anyone know of or have a text editor package for Window 2000/XP mB > machines that is more functional than NotePad?  Especially need D > something that provides column and row position of characters and G > does not add any additional "characters" to the text file (I believe  * > that's why wordpad won't work).  Thanks. >  > Rich > D 	Just about anything is more functional than Notepad! I use and like9       P(rogrammers)F(ile)E(ditor) ==> PFE. Free and easy.r   	YMMV,   	Dan >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:31:01 +0100n+ From: Wilm Boerhout <w3.boerhout@planet.nl>v' Subject: Re: Suggestion for VAX VMS 8.2r5 Message-ID: <41ffbcd5$0$1761$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>    JF Mezei wrote:aM > Since 8.2 might be the last version of VAX VMS, I came to think about it...c  F I have seen a few hints of this allegedly new version of VAX VMS, but G cannot seem to find an "official" statement from HP. Can you provide a  4 pointer? I'm anxious to find out the new features...   -- a
 Wilm Boerhout  Zwolle, The Netherlandsh   wilmOLD@PAINTboerhout.nl2    (remove OLD PAINT from this address before use)   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2005 00:43:11 -0800a From: br@b-riis.dk (Bendix).' Subject: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3b< Message-ID: <9eac7199.0502010043.369f54d@posting.google.com>  F I am trying to add a VAX running VMS v7.3 to a cluster with two VAX'es running VMS v5.5-2.s  D It seems the connection manager runs into trouble. It says somethingF about connection manager timeout on one of the cluster nodes, and does a store dump on the new node.yB I have not been able to find anything on this issue. Do I need any patches for v5.5-2 or? Hope someone can help me Bendix   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:35:47 +0200-4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>+ Subject: Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3m& Message-ID: <41FF6992.46EEFA3F@hp.com>  
 Bendix wrote:f > H > I am trying to add a VAX running VMS v7.3 to a cluster with two VAX'es-                                      ^^^^^^^^i > running VMS v5.5-2.C              ^^^^^^^^^ > @ *Far* too much difference between the versions to be a supported configuration.+ Have a look at the V7.3 Installation guide.w   HTH  Mike   > Hope someone can help me > Bendix   -- lE ---------------------------------------------------------------------hE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------o -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:21:47 +0800R From: prep@prep.synonet.comi+ Subject: Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.37- Message-ID: <87fz0g9ugk.fsf@prep.synonet.com>E  6 Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com> writes:   > Bendix wrote:u  oI >> I am trying to add a VAX running VMS v7.3 to a cluster with two VAX'es -                                      ^^^^^^^^c >> running VMS v5.5-2. >              ^^^^^^^^^  eB > *Far* too much difference between the versions to be a supported= > configuration.  Have a look at the V7.3 Installation guide.   D It is, I think, to far to work. Wasn't there changes to mount in the7 gap that will stop you from clustering over that range.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 07:44:12 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>t+ Subject: Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3C( Message-ID: <opslizbygczgicya@hyrrokkin>  B On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:21:47 +0800, <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:  8 > Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com> writes: >s >> Bendix wrote: > J >>> I am trying to add a VAX running VMS v7.3 to a cluster with two VAX'es/ >                                      ^^^^^^^^a >>> running VMS v5.5-2.b >>              ^^^^^^^^^s >fC >> *Far* too much difference between the versions to be a supportedA> >> configuration.  Have a look at the V7.3 Installation guide. >eF > It is, I think, to far to work. Wasn't there changes to mount in the9 > gap that will stop you from clustering over that range.T >y( Is it possible to cluster 5.5-2 and 6.2?     -- rC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:21:42 -0800l# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>a+ Subject: Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3a( Message-ID: <opsli3ugfhzgicya@hyrrokkin>  0 On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:14:14 +0000, John Laird  # <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote:   J > On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 07:44:12 -0800, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote: >sE >> On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:21:47 +0800, <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:t >>: >>> Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com> writes: >>>y >>>> Bendix wrote: >>>iG >>>>> I am trying to add a VAX running VMS v7.3 to a cluster with two  - >>>>> VAX'es1 >>>                                      ^^^^^^^^m >>>>> running VMS v5.5-2.l >>>>              ^^^^^^^^^o >>>sE >>>> *Far* too much difference between the versions to be a supportedr@ >>>> configuration.  Have a look at the V7.3 Installation guide. >>> H >>> It is, I think, to far to work. Wasn't there changes to mount in the; >>> gap that will stop you from clustering over that range.  >>>e+ >> Is it possible to cluster 5.5-2 and 6.2?c >e$ > I'm almost certain that will work. >n) > As for 7.x, from the 7.2 release notes:a	 > <quote>aH > For OpenVMS Version 6.2 nodes to participate in a cluster with systemsJ > running either Version 7.1 or Version 7.2, the cluster compatibility kitI > must be installed on each Version 6.2 node. In addition, if you use theDF > Monitor Utility in a mixed version utility, you must install a new  
 > remedialL > kit. For more information about these kits, refer to the OpenVMS Version   > 7.2a > Release Notes. > G > Compaq does not support the use of Version 7.2 with Version 6.1 (or   	 > earliergI > versions) in an OpenVMS Cluster. In many cases, mixing Version 7.2 with G > versions prior to Version 6.2 will successfully operate, but Compaq  k > cannotD > commit to resolving problems experienced with such configurations. >  > Note >lJ > Nodes running OpenVMS VAX Version 5.5--2 or earlier versions, or OpenVMSI > Alpha Version 1.0 or 1.5, cannot participate in a cluster with one or  d > moreG > OpenVMS Version 7.2 nodes. For more information, refer to the OpenVMS- > Version 7.2 Release Notes. > <unquote>4 >7I > It looks like 7.2 was about the point that 5.5-2 became too old, if noto	 > before.D >FI Well the reason I asked was because I had 6.2 clustered with 7.3, so it  - seemsi that if A ~ B & B ~C -> A ~C ?     -- oC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:14:14 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>a+ Subject: Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3H8 Message-ID: <30evv054mftjen349kv6m0147h74uph6vm@4ax.com>  H On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 07:44:12 -0800, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  C >On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:21:47 +0800, <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:  >i9 >> Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com> writes:m >> >>> Bendix wrote:a >>K >>>> I am trying to add a VAX running VMS v7.3 to a cluster with two VAX'esu0 >>                                      ^^^^^^^^ >>>> running VMS v5.5-2. >>>              ^^^^^^^^^ >>D >>> *Far* too much difference between the versions to be a supported? >>> configuration.  Have a look at the V7.3 Installation guide.p >>G >> It is, I think, to far to work. Wasn't there changes to mount in the : >> gap that will stop you from clustering over that range. >>) >Is it possible to cluster 5.5-2 and 6.2?r  " I'm almost certain that will work.  ' As for 7.x, from the 7.2 release notes:v <quote>9F For OpenVMS Version 6.2 nodes to participate in a cluster with systemsH running either Version 7.1 or Version 7.2, the cluster compatibility kitG must be installed on each Version 6.2 node. In addition, if you use the K Monitor Utility in a mixed version utility, you must install a new remedial L kit. For more information about these kits, refer to the OpenVMS Version 7.2 Release Notes.    K Compaq does not support the use of Version 7.2 with Version 6.1 (or earliernG versions) in an OpenVMS Cluster. In many cases, mixing Version 7.2 withoJ versions prior to Version 6.2 will successfully operate, but Compaq cannotC commit to resolving problems experienced with such configurations. f   Note  H Nodes running OpenVMS VAX Version 5.5--2 or earlier versions, or OpenVMSJ Alpha Version 1.0 or 1.5, cannot participate in a cluster with one or moreE OpenVMS Version 7.2 nodes. For more information, refer to the OpenVMS  Version 7.2 Release Notes.  	 <unquote>.  G It looks like 7.2 was about the point that 5.5-2 became too old, if not  before.F   -- '; Never itch for anything you aren't willing to scratch for. e   Mail john rather than nospam...W   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.064 ************************