0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 02 Feb 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 66      Contents: Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again...  Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again...  Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again...  Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again... 3 Re: A few Apache CSWS questions: htaccess, php_info 3 Re: A few Apache CSWS questions: htaccess, php_info  Re: boot manager by ASM # How active colors in KEA emulator ?  HP parody site Re: HP parody site Re: HP parody site Re: HP parody site Re: HP parody site$ Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250* Re: Moving from Alpha to Integrity Webcast Re: MySQL problem  need upgrade Hp Basic  Re: Official Logo  Re: Official Logo  Re: Official Logo 8 OpenVMS Marketing budget being effectively spent at last Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  Re: OT: Battersea Power Station  php.ini options in MOD_PHP
 ssh in VMS Re: ssh in VMS Re: ssh in VMS Re: Suggestion for VAX VMS 8.21 There goes the volume market. Remind me again.... 5 Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again.... 5 Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again.... " Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3" Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3 Re: VMS CVS client with ssh  Re: VMS CVS client with ssh   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 06:58:56 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> " Subject: Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again...* Message-ID: <42007A30.7000304@bigpond.com>  / David B Sneddon - bigpond mentioned in passing: ' > David B Sneddon mentioned in passing:  >  >>> >> Since you are getting %DCL-W-OKTAB rather that %CLI-S-OKTAB' >> would further support Larry's claim.  >  >  > Just to clarify... I hope  > % > tardis_FTA49> say f$message(261440) ; > %CLI-W-OKTAB, command tables are already in latest format  >  > tardis_FTA49> exit 261440 ; > %DCL-W-OKTAB, command tables are already in latest format  > < > So whatever is doing it is exiting with a value of 261440.  ; Sorry to reply yet again to my own post -- but this will be  the last...   > It is possible that somethng is calling SYS$EXIT or LIB$SIGNAL> or similar and passing the condition value by reference rather9 than by value i.e. 261440 is the address of the real exit 8 status.  Either way, you will still have to identify the# offending program or piece of code.    Regards, Dave --  B David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.comB Sneddo's quick guide ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/B DBS freeware   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Feb 2005 08:04:23 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) " Subject: Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again...3 Message-ID: <L1XpqGO8KnGv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <42006FAD.2070207@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:' > Larry Kilgallen mentioned in passing:   F >> As I said, it _probably_ means "the program you ran just returned aE >> random binary number", but it is hard to say until you do the work " >> to find out what program it is. > > >  From the source listings... the value for the OKTAB message* > is 261141 which results in the following > % > tardis_FTA77> say f$message(261441) ; > %CLI-S-OKTAB, command tables are already in latest format  > = > Since you are getting %DCL-W-OKTAB rather that %CLI-S-OKTAB & > would further support Larry's claim.  G Actually, although I stand by my claim, I am not sure _that_ difference F supports it.  I recall in the dark past that %CLI messages get changed* to %DCL messages in certain circumstances.   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:33:58 +0000 (UTC)< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)" Subject: Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again...) Message-ID: <ctqrt6$ltk$1@news.BelWue.DE>   d In article <4200765E.1040304@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:& >David B Sneddon mentioned in passing: >>  > >> Since you are getting %DCL-W-OKTAB rather that %CLI-S-OKTAB' >> would further support Larry's claim.  >  >Just to clarify... I hope > $ >tardis_FTA49> say f$message(261440): >%CLI-W-OKTAB, command tables are already in latest format >  >tardis_FTA49> exit 261440: >%DCL-W-OKTAB, command tables are already in latest format > ; >So whatever is doing it is exiting with a value of 261440.   O Ok, this helps. The problem is with the OSU webserver, it doesn't want to start O up and shuts down with the above error message. I get the same error message in L the NETSERVER.LOG file of the HTTP_SERVER account and in the startup logfileN of the webserver. There are some cli$routines in the code, so I'll have a look at them.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:25:30 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> " Subject: Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again...* Message-ID: <42010D0A.7040500@bigpond.com>  % Larry Kilgallen was overheard to say: f > In article <42006FAD.2070207@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes: > ' >>Larry Kilgallen mentioned in passing:  >  > F >>>As I said, it _probably_ means "the program you ran just returned aE >>>random binary number", but it is hard to say until you do the work " >>>to find out what program it is. >>> >> From the source listings... the value for the OKTAB message* >>is 261141 which results in the following >>% >>tardis_FTA77> say f$message(261441) ; >>%CLI-S-OKTAB, command tables are already in latest format  >>= >>Since you are getting %DCL-W-OKTAB rather that %CLI-S-OKTAB & >>would further support Larry's claim. >  > I > Actually, although I stand by my claim, I am not sure _that_ difference H > supports it.  I recall in the dark past that %CLI messages get changed, > to %DCL messages in certain circumstances. >   : The real message is a success whereas the suspect one is a5 warning.  My other reply shows the difference between 7 f$message(261440) and exit 261440 which does change the  facility from CLI to DCL.      Regards, Dave.  --  D David B Sneddon (dbs)  VMS Systems Programmer  dbsneddon@bigpond.comD Sneddo's quick guide ...     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/D DBS freeware     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Feb 2005 01:13:07 -0800  From: mcbill20@yahoo.com< Subject: Re: A few Apache CSWS questions: htaccess, php_infoC Message-ID: <1107335587.210734.177510@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   F Thanks for the pointer, but it doesn't address the problem. As I said,E the .htaccess file never gets accessed by CSWS as the alarm ACL never C goes off. The .htaccess file has world read+execute access and CSWS ? displays files in this directory fine. The file formats are all - stream_lf. I have no idea where to look next.    Bill   Ken Robinson wrote: % > mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote (in part):  > > E > > The AuthUserOpenVMS was another experiment to try another method.  > > F > > The problme is that CSWS never even tries to access these files. I > can F > > browse to any file in the apache$root[htdocs] tree or the php tree orC > > the user directories, but it never checks for a password. I put ? > > security alarm ACL's on the .htaccess files and also on the 7 > > passwords.dat file but the files never get touched.  > D > I just tried using the AuthOpenVMSUser method. I put the followingG > lines in the file ".htaccess" that resides in the directory I want to 
 > protect. >  > AuthType Basic# > AuthName "OpenVMS authentication"  > AuthOpenVMSUser On > require valid-user > A > When I tried to access a web page there, I got the Please enter  > Username box.  > + > See section 4.4 of the Installation guide  > K <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_install_20.pdf>  > Ken    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Feb 2005 02:22:11 -0800  From: mcbill20@yahoo.com< Subject: Re: A few Apache CSWS questions: htaccess, php_infoC Message-ID: <1107339731.425693.276020@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   F I have more info now. Actually, CSWS seems to have even more problems.  F I tried adding the .htaccess file to the root directory (htdocs). WhenF the file is there, CSWS _does_ use it. When I specify the file createdG by htpasswd.exe, it _does_ work. However, the exact same file in a user / [.public_html] directory is completely ignored. @ Also, there seems to be a problem with the htpasswd.exe again. I? created a new directory apache$root:[passwords] and then typed: 9 $ htpasswd -c apache$root:[passwords]passwords.dat jsmith G after being prompted for the password twice, it created the file. After G that, I can access the main server page using the jsmith user/password. F However, when I try to add a new user to the file I get the following:  0 $ htp  apache$root:[passwords]passwords.dat jdoe
 New password:  Re-type new password:   : dsa0:[sys0.syscommon.apache.][bin]htpasswd.exe;1: The fileB apache$root:[passwords]passwords.dat does not appear to be a valid htpasswd file.  @ Finally, when I tried changing the .htaccess file in the docrootC directory to exactly like the one in a previous post (using OpenVMS 5 authentication), the web page displays the following:    Internal Server Error D The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was  unable to complete your request.  D Please contact the server administrator, you@your.address and informE them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done  that may have caused the error.   F More information about this error may be available in the server error log.    P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------  F Apache/2.0.47 (OpenVMS) mod_ssl/2.0.47 OpenSSL/0.9.6g PHP/4.3.2 Server at 192.168.0.250 Port 80  M =============================================================================   ; I made sure to add the load for openvms auth in httpd.conf.   G One last strange issue-- the userdir is ignored in the httpd.conf file. G After trying so many ways to get CSWS to look at the .htaccess files in E user directories, I made a few changes to the httpd.conf file just to @ make sure I was looking in the right place. First, I changed the5 "public_html" part of the "<Directory>" directive for @ "/home/*/Public_html" to a bogus name and CSWS _STILL_ found theG [.public_html] directories when the URL includes a "/~username".  Then, D I did the same to the "Userdir public_html" directive and the resultF was the same-- CSWS still looks in the same place and also ignores the .htaccess files.  D And before anyone asks, yes, I did restart CSWS after each change to httpd.conf.   E So, I don't know what else to try. If anyone else using CSWS is using D these features successfully I'd appreciate hearing from you. I can't  believe that CSWS is _THIS_ bad.   Thanks.  Bill   mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote: B > Thanks for the pointer, but it doesn't address the problem. As I said, G > the .htaccess file never gets accessed by CSWS as the alarm ACL never E > goes off. The .htaccess file has world read+execute access and CSWS A > displays files in this directory fine. The file formats are all / > stream_lf. I have no idea where to look next.  >  > Bill >  > Ken Robinson wrote: ' > > mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote (in part):  > > > G > > > The AuthUserOpenVMS was another experiment to try another method.  > > > F > > > The problme is that CSWS never even tries to access these files. I  > > can C > > > browse to any file in the apache$root[htdocs] tree or the php  tree > orE > > > the user directories, but it never checks for a password. I put A > > > security alarm ACL's on the .htaccess files and also on the 9 > > > passwords.dat file but the files never get touched.  > > F > > I just tried using the AuthOpenVMSUser method. I put the followingF > > lines in the file ".htaccess" that resides in the directory I want to > > protect. > >  > > AuthType Basic% > > AuthName "OpenVMS authentication"  > > AuthOpenVMSUser On > > require valid-user > > C > > When I tried to access a web page there, I got the Please enter  > > Username box.  > > - > > See section 4.4 of the Installation guide  > >  > K <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_install_20.pdf>  > > Ken    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Feb 2005 06:49:29 -0600 B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)  Subject: Re: boot manager by ASM3 Message-ID: <LyemiJoJ3nFy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ~ In article <1107298888.939338.56380@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "HAssAN.Maleki@gmail.com" <HAssAN.Maleki@gmail.com> writes:G > just wanna know which steps should I proceed 2 boot a system w/ multy  > OSes installed on.- > Actually wanna write a multy booter by ASM. 7 > Any body have any inf 'bout it or know any resource?!  > TNX so much & byE. >   L Wrong newsgroup. This is a newsgroup for discussing the VMS operating systemK which was created by DEC. The newsgroup you want is alt.os.development, but N read the newsgroup archives at Google first as your question has been answered many times.    HTH,   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       7 Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Feb 2005 06:08:57 -0800 - From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) , Subject: How active colors in KEA emulator ?= Message-ID: <ddf392ea.0502020608.44956dd3@posting.google.com>   J I'm using KEA emulator to access VMS systems. How could I create a command procedure to read this file:   vms> type file1.txt        Aba_proc    0    02/01/05      Ads_proc    1    02/01/05      Abd_proc   15    02/02/05      Abs_proc    3    02/02/05      Abf_proc    0    02/01/05     G and show me the output with numbers in second column > 0 in red color ?    Thanks VMS gurus.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:10:17 -0800  From: Z <Z@no.spam>  Subject: HP parody site * Message-ID: <L4%Ld.3475$RC6.2420@fe03.lga>  $ http://www.everythingispossible.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:53:54 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: HP parody site B Message-ID: <1107333752.c310f17c2c4ceadb82f1ecec60905201@teranews>   Z wrote: > & > http://www.everythingispossible.com/    J As expected, no mention of VMS. Proof that HP doesn't see a future in VMS.   :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 05:01:58 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: HP parody site = Message-ID: <as2dnclLwNWKOJ3fRVn-pA@metrocastcablevision.com>    Z wrote:& > http://www.everythingispossible.com/   Outstanding in its field.    - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:03:47 -0500= From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@nfw-invalid.cibtrikker.com>  Subject: Re: HP parody site , Message-ID: <a4-dna4HMcyOlZzfRVn-vA@dls.net>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  < news:1107333752.c310f17c2c4ceadb82f1ecec60905201@teranews...	 >Z wrote:  >>' >> http://www.everythingispossible.com/  >  > L > As expected, no mention of VMS. Proof that HP doesn't see a future in VMS. >  > :-)   D It's also proof that PH doesn't see a future in VMS ... um ... SMV.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:17:29 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: HP parody site , Message-ID: <d4edne38Irq3lpzfRVn-gw@igs.net>   John Gemignani, Jr. wrote:< > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message> > news:1107333752.c310f17c2c4ceadb82f1ecec60905201@teranews... >> Z wrote:  >>> ( >>> http://www.everythingispossible.com/ >> >>E >> As expected, no mention of VMS. Proof that HP doesn't see a future 
 >> in VMS. >> >> :-) > E > It's also proof that PH doesn't see a future in VMS ... um ... SMV.   L Actually not. It's a parody so only the author of the site is not mentioning6 VMS.....wait a minute...that's *exactly* what HP does.  L From that I'd have to guess that the author of the site is carly(tm) writing under a pseudonym.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:08:25 -0500? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> - Subject: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250 : Message-ID: <8W4Md.23028$t67.11956@bignews5.bellsouth.net>  - We still have loads in stock in the US and UK  Shipping within the USA is $35 Shipping within EU is $60   
 What you get:     + Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz EV6 with 2MB Cache  Dual 10/100 Ethernet On Board 2 Dual IDE Controller and Floppy controller on board USB (obviously not much use)" Dual Serial Ports (one as console)
 Parallel Port < Multivoltage power supply (100~250V 50/60Hz Worldwide power) 1 PCI Slot 64 Bit-  Standard Keyboard PS/2 Connector Standard Mouse PS/2 Connector I 2 Useable Memory Slots (actually has 4 slots but they are unusable due to ! horzontal installation of memory)    No Memory or disk is included - There are no built in graphics on this system   0 Add 256MB memory for only $99  (Compaq original)/ Add 512MB Memory for only $179 (Island Branded) / Add 1GB Memory foro only $389  (Island Branded) ' Add a Single Rackmount Kit for only $40 & Add a Quad Rackmount Kit for only  $558 Add an UW SCSI Controller VMS Compatible for only $50 ORB Add a Permedia 2 Graphics Card (same as ELSA GLoria) for only $1295 Add a Permedia 2 Graphics Combo U2 SCSI Card for $899   	 Licenses:    OpenVMS Base NEW for DS10L $525 E OpenVMS Base and EIP for only $1399 (special only with these systems)   Tru64 Unix Base License for $299       --  0 ________________________________________________ David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Mobile: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com0 ________________________________________________   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:26:34 -0500 & From: Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com>3 Subject: Re: Moving from Alpha to Integrity Webcast B Message-ID: <1107354326.8df9c382d802d10bdace9184b68260ed@teranews>  E I have not been able to get it to work on CSWB V1.4.  It does work on $ Mozilla V1.4 on Mandrake Linux V9.1.     warren sander wrote:  > > https://www.hpe-learning.com/requirements/default.aspx?tab=1 > ? > [IF this doesn't open then let me know but it's certified for  > windows, linux, hp-ux, mac > ; > I don't know if anyone has tried OpenVMS Mozilla or not.]  > G > I would check but I don't have a meeting with virtual classroom until  > after the 16th webinar date. > 	 > -warren  > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message> > news:1107208938.e4ab198d3b2869d666dd94af01f19e41@teranews... >> John Smith wrote:F >> > Delivery: This session will be delivered via the web using the HP	 > Virtual B >> > Classroom together with audio teleconferencing via the phone. >>% >> What software is needed for this ?    --  B Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley, Waverly, NYF       - jilly@stny.rr.com                http://home.stny.rr.com/jillyE       - mark.jilson@hp.com               http://www.hp.com/go/openvms ;       - http://www.jilsonracing.com      Go Fast, Turn Left C       - http://www.chemungspeedrome.com  Door Handle to Door Handle    ------------------------------   Date: 2 FEB 2005 10:39:53 GMT 4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) Subject: Re: MySQL problem5 Message-ID: <2FEB05.10395348@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>   N In a previous article, "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> wrote:F ->Been there, done that, fixed it, submitted the patch.  At least I'm G ->pretty sure from the symptoms described that the problem is test.DIR  B ->doesn't match in a case sensitive comparison with test.dir.  See ->  K ->http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=920330&group_id=  ->2506&atid=302506 ->  F ->Clearly no one is monitoring patches to GNV.  But I think you (SMS) E ->already have a better version of this queued for the next Info-Zip  
 ->release?  A Thanks for that tip! I hadn't thought to specify the .dir file to ; my "older" pre-GNV version of zip I'd been using for years.   C While the "version 2.3" of zip supplied with GNV 1.6-2 doesn't work E regardless of case, the "older" non-GNV "version 2.3" with the VMSCLI  option I had does:   $ sho sym/glo zip %   ZIP == "$SITE$ROOT:[SYSEXE]ZIP_CLI"  $ zip -r test test.dir6 updating: [.TEST.SUB]TEST^_FILE^_THREE.TXT (stored 0%)0 updating: [.TEST]TEST^_FILE^_ONE.TXT (stored 0%)0 updating: [.TEST]TEST^_FILE^_TWO.TXT (stored 0%)! updating: [.TEST.SUB] (stored 0%) A updating: [.TEST.ODS5^_DIRECTORY]TEST^_FILE^_FOUR.TXT (stored 0%) - updating: [.TEST.ODS5^_DIRECTORY] (stored 0%)    adding: [.TEST] (stored 0%)    Also works:    $ zip -r test "test.dir" $ zip -r test "TEST.DIR"  	 $  zip -v   Copyright (C) 1990-1999 Info-ZIP% Type 'zip "-L"' for software license. 2 This is Zip 2.3 (November 29th 1999), by Info-ZIP.G Currently maintained by Onno van der Linden. Please send bug reports to > the authors at Zip-Bugs@lists.wku.edu; see README for details.  L Latest sources and executables are at ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/infozip, as ofJ above date; see http://www.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/Zip.html for other sites.  I Compiled with DEC C V5.7-004 for OpenVMS (V7.2 for Alpha) on Jul 25 2002.     Zip special compilation options:         USE_EF_UT_TIME         VMSCLI         VMS_PK_EXTRA2         [encryption, version 2.9 of 22 April 2000]   Zip environment options:         ZIP_OPTS:  [none]            ZIPOPT:  [none]    $ bash bash$ zip -v  Copyright (C) 1990-1999 Info-ZIP% Type 'zip "-L"' for software license. 2 This is Zip 2.3 (November 29th 1999), by Info-ZIP.G Currently maintained by Onno van der Linden. Please send bug reports to > the authors at Zip-Bugs@lists.wku.edu; see README for details.  L Latest sources and executables are at ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/infozip, as ofJ above date; see http://www.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/Zip.html for other sites.  I Compiled with DEC C T6.5-001 for OpenVMS (V7.3 for Alpha) on Jun  8 2004.     Zip special compilation options:         USE_EF_UT_TIME         VMS_PK_EXTRA   Zip environment options:         ZIP_OPTS:  [none]            ZIPOPT:  [none]    --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 8 --                 karcher.nomoresp0m@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------   Date: 2 Feb 2005 06:15:53 -0800 ) From: carfer@gmail.com (Carlos Fernandez)  Subject: need upgrade Hp Basic= Message-ID: <f4a8f670.0502020615.5a719333@posting.google.com>    Hi all,   A I'm testing some programs written in Vax Basic in Alpha Basic 1.3 4 and noticed the lack of support of HFLOAT data type.  C I've alse noticed that XFLOAT, in Alpha, provides the same range as  HFLOAT have on Vax.   F I've seen as well, that no support for XFLOAT is in version 1.3 but in 1.4 or higher.  C As I have a hobbyist license for the Alpha, the question is if it's 3 legal to copy the updated version from anyone else?   E If so, anyone would be so kind to send me the kit, alas the savesets, / by email? I think to remember it was no so big.    Thanks in advanced.    Carlos Fernandez   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:30:29 -0800% From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Official Logo7 Message-ID: <3f119ada05020123307d1ed8d5@mail.gmail.com>   0 On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 04:03:09 GMT, Kenneth Farmer& <kfarmer@nospam.spyderbyte.com> wrote: > L > I posted the list Keith you made and I've pulled up some of the images.  I1 > didn't post any I thought might be copyrighted.  > - > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Logos  > ) > Anyone is welcome to contribute images.   6 Somehow, Ivanhoe's uprooted Oak seems appropriate. ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:29:33 -0500 & From: Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com> Subject: Re: Official LogoB Message-ID: <1107354505.791ee7248f39504b35234911d8c27a31@teranews>   Bob Koehler wrote:  G > In article <1107293480.46e7d902c4aaaff206988d4afd092b25@teranews>, JF . > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:$ >> re: various links to shark images >>  E >> There is that perfect example of VMS use in military applications:  >>  & >> http://www.vaxination.ca/badday.jpg > E >    I recall when our Field Service guys who took care of our 36 bit 8 >    machines were telling us about getting "vaxinated".  H Yep, I was one of those that got 'vaxinated' after Jupiter was canceled.   --  B Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley, Waverly, NYF       - jilly@stny.rr.com                http://home.stny.rr.com/jillyE       - mark.jilson@hp.com               http://www.hp.com/go/openvms ;       - http://www.jilsonracing.com      Go Fast, Turn Left C       - http://www.chemungspeedrome.com  Door Handle to Door Handle    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:10:27 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> Subject: Re: Official Logo> Message-ID: <TX6Md.65061$fE4.9881598@twister.southeast.rr.com>  3 "DeanW" <dean.woodward@gmail.com> wrote in message  1 news:3f119ada05020123307d1ed8d5@mail.gmail.com... 2 > On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 04:03:09 GMT, Kenneth Farmer( > <kfarmer@nospam.spyderbyte.com> wrote: >>K >> I posted the list Keith you made and I've pulled up some of the images.   >> I2 >> didn't post any I thought might be copyrighted. >>. >> http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Logos >>* >> Anyone is welcome to contribute images. > 8 > Somehow, Ivanhoe's uprooted Oak seems appropriate. ;-)    ) I just noticed: "the list Keith you made"   	 Anyway...   3 > Somehow, Ivanhoe's uprooted Oak seems appropriate   . OK I never read Ivanhoe.  What does this mean?     Ken    OpenVMS.org % _____________________________________  Kenneth R. Farmer <>< % SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.com           ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:35:40 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> A Subject: OpenVMS Marketing budget being effectively spent at last , Message-ID: <8NWdnV3ChsqBVJ3fRVn-rA@igs.net>  . http://entertainment.msn.com/movies/hotgossip3         Keanu Nixes Sundance Swag K             If the Sundance Film Festival has taught us anything, it's that C the best things in life really are free. Yes, the annual melding of D Hollywood greed and corporate shilling (with a few films screened in? between) was crammed with enough swag to make Star Jones swoon.   G             But as the likes of Pam Anderson, Paris Hilton, and Shannen L Doherty snatched up thousands of dollars worth of brand-name merchandise, at/ least one star remained above the freebie fray.   F             Keanu Reeves, in town to stump for the oral-fixation flickJ "Thumbsucker," opted not to pocket any of the proffered loot. The New YorkG Post reports the preternaturally preserved "Matrix" star dropped by the J headquarters of Sundance sponsor Hewlett-Packard but politely declined the2 gratis iPods, digital cameras, and photo printers.     ......   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:03:04 +1100 4 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au>( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station/ Message-ID: <42008938.2050607@transgrid.com.au>    Brian      VAXman- wrote:h > In article <41FF37D4.9080904@transgrid.com.au>, Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au> writes: >  >>A few snips. >> >>Keith Cayemberg wrote: >>= >>>Just curious, is/was VMS being used in this power station?  >>>  >> >>Keith, >>I >>In my days (up to 1982), CEGB was an IBM/Amdahl shop -- 360/370. A few  K >>other OS's for minor applications, but I cannot remember the details.  I  # >>cannot remember any DEC machines.  >>C >>Way back, I was one of the first to install remote access to our  F >>technical programs from our computing centre -- Park Street next to E >>Bankside PS.  And the journey Vaxman did was my frequent pickup of  K >>output.  Our building was adjacewnt to St Pauls, until we eventually had  H >>a remote printer, I had to make that journey for output.  What fun we  >>had in the 1960's :-)  >  > F > Surely that trek didn't take you across the Millenium foot bridge at > that time.   > B Yes, you are right.  I am suffering from Altzhiemers or something.  H I did not even go by Tower Bridge.  I am just remembering 20+ years ago 2 and just a few memories of the old power stations.  : At 60 years old, I am just doing this little memory thing.   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the  = individual sender except where the sender expressly and with  C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:10:11 +1100 4 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au>( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station/ Message-ID: <42008AE3.6010009@transgrid.com.au>    John Laird wrote: 3 > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:57:29 +1100, Paddy O'Brien ) > <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au> wrote:  >  > F >>Battersea Power Station was featured in one of the Cristopher Reeve K >>Superman films -- the one where he fought his alter ego.  Some excellent  ) >>shots of the site (between the fights).  >>G >>Is the station still going?  I worked for CEGB and left in 1982 when  J >>Battersea was scheduled to be closed within 5 years.  The A station was  >>already shut down. >  > N > It closed down not long after you left.  Grand plans have come and gone, butG > it looks like the latest may be about to fly(*).  Some history at the M > ever-useful Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battersea_Power_Station 7 > and the link at the bottom takes you to a Flash site.  > 8 > (*)  A bit like Pink Floyd's inflatable pig, maybe ;-) > C > I've worked for the CEGB too, but only as a student.  Happy days.  >  John,   % Not able to write to your address ...   C Where did you work, with whom, are/were you an electrical engineer?    Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the  = individual sender except where the sender expressly and with  C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:24:53 +1100 4 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au>( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station- Message-ID: <42008E55.10607@transgrid.com.au>    John Laird wrote:2E > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:31 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:n >  > H >>I have pix of the Battersea from numerous trips to London.  I'm off toH >>London again in March.  This time I hope to get down to Battersea Park> >>for some better close-up...  Maybe fly a VMS pig in the pix. >  > M > A trip to Bankside power station would also be worthwhile.  Can't vouch forrA > the contents of the Tate Modern art gallery inside, however ;-)6 > * John (and Brian -- and others interested),  C Many years ago, at Park Street, a tent was raised wherein they did lH Shakespeare in its many aspects.  They had Twelfth Night done as a 1920 G "Black Bottom" and gangster.  Vanessa Redgrave as Cleopatra, and one I  G did not enjoy was Ionesco's "Macbeth ?" with Harry H Corbett and Terry r Scott.  F So many other fantastic actors -- Donald Pleasance and Keith Michell, 9 Ian McKellam, Ron Moody as Polonious, just to name a few.M   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************e  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advisetB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.r  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid %A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the  = individual sender except where the sender expressly and with dC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesK> virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:48:55 +0000i- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>y( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station, Message-ID: <36bm4fF50rgkrU1@individual.net>   Paddy O'Brien wrote:   > VAXman- wrote: > [...snip...] >>G >> Surely that trek didn't take you across the Millenium foot bridge atd >> that time.  > D > Yes, you are right.  I am suffering from Altzhiemers or something.  B Bummer!  And there was me imagining that Paddy "Norfolk Lad" could actually Walk on Water :-)  * Ah well, another myth gone down the drain.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:06:30 +0000r- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>-( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station8 Message-ID: <pp8101tjirqb0btb4rmor7brdn86ihitvh@4ax.com>  1 On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:10:11 +1100, Paddy O'BrienD' <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au> wrote:    >John Laird wrote: >>D >> I've worked for the CEGB too, but only as a student.  Happy days. >> e >John, > & >Not able to write to your address ... > D >Where did you work, with whom, are/were you an electrical engineer?  C Shouldn't be anything wrong with my email address (the nospam@ is a L misnomer) but every now and again I think something objects (wrongly) to theK hyphen, which is quite valid.  You can try my work address which is john atF yrl dot co dot uk.  H I worked two summers at the Marchwood research labs in the late 70s.  MyJ first introduction to "proper" computing, including naturally, Adventure -J on a GEC 4080 ;-)  Running simulations, adapting software, etc.  I had oneJ boss who managed to set fire to his wastepaper basket just behind him, andJ by the time that had triggered a smoke alarm, caused building evacuation ,L and two volunteers went back in to investigate, he was still sat at his deskH merrily smoking his pipe and ignoring the alarm...  Park St used to sendD down a couple of trees worth of line printer output every day, iirc.  H Pay in the first summer was about 45/week which wasn't at all bad.  TheL following year I phoned up to see if I should apply again and they said thatI wasn't necessary and a job was mine if I wanted it.  On day one, I had totL drop into personnel to get a pass and it was casually mentioned that after aK bit of thought they had upped the pay - to 69/week !  Through the summer I G managed to earn about half of what my annual student grant amounted to,lI which in those days was enough to live on.  And after all that, one of my0K supervisors wrote me a reference which my first full-time employers told met2 had clinched my first job.  As I said, happy days.   --  3 A man without a woman is like a neck without pain. e   Mail john rather than nospam...t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:04:40 GMTc" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station0 Message-ID: <00A3EC7D.EDD0D163@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <42008938.2050607@transgrid.com.au>, Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au> writes: {...snip...}G >> Surely that trek didn't take you across the Millenium foot bridge atm >> that time.  - >> -C >Yes, you are right.  I am suffering from Altzhiemers or something.  >iI >I did not even go by Tower Bridge.  I am just remembering 20+ years ago e3 >and just a few memories of the old power stations.g  H I was picturing you taking a deep breath and actually walking across. :)      ; >At 60 years old, I am just doing this little memory thing.r  I Don't sweat it...  My memories of London are probably pretty good because J I have been there 5 times since spring of 2002.  When is the last time you where there?   -- o< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.4 -- c, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! f --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:00:17 +0000 (UTC)3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ( Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station0 Message-ID: <ctr4fg$b4o$1@sparta.btinternet.com>   Hi,.  L I don't think that anyone else has mentioned it so for the record, BatterseaF Park power station reached the pinnacle of photo opportunities when itL starred in MacGyver as a back-drop to the war in Yugoslavia. Disbelief! (No,L I'm not a MacGyver, fan we just get a lot of wet weekends here and they were$ re-running it a couple of years ago)  K I believe it is currently being used as a lightshow backdrop fot the Londonb@ 2012 Olympic bid logo. (Now there's a real joke. But I digress.)   Regards Richard Maher   A PS. Why has one of the chimneys been given some sort of navy bluet flame/crown at its base?  A "Paddy O'Brien" <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au> wrote in messages) news:41FDF2F9.2010605@transgrid.com.au...e >o >m > Dr. Dweeb wrote: > > Hi,i > >vL > > Sometime ago someone responding on this newsgroup had a pointer to theirL > > photography site - name and site lost in the mists.  Anyway, there was a7 > > great picture (b/w) of the Battersea Power Station.h > >oB > > If you spot this you might leave me the address.  I am perhaps
 interested in $ > > acquiring a print (a large one). > > 
 > > Thanks
 > > Dr. Dweebe > > H > I've just got back from 5 weeks leave.  Sortta confused between US andB > UK -- is 01/02 second of Jan or first of Feb (which hasn't quite > happened yet :-) > E > Battersea Power Station was featured in one of the Cristopher Reeve J > Superman films -- the one where he fought his alter ego.  Some excellent) > shots of the site (between the fights).  > F > Is the station still going?  I worked for CEGB and left in 1982 whenI > Battersea was scheduled to be closed within 5 years.  The A station wasr > already shut down. >s > Regards, Paddy >M >u >nI > ***********************************************************************t >cE > "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged ? > and confidential information intended only for the use of thewC > addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of E > this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advisemC > the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,e9 > distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.0 >.B > If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGridB > immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the> > individual sender except where the sender expressly and withE > authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses.@ > virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses > contained in any attachment. >r> > Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now& > firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au" > I > ***********************************************************************f >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:24:01 -0000% From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> # Subject: php.ini options in MOD_PHPw0 Message-ID: <1101ai2ndqnesc8@corp.supernews.com>  E MOD_PHP ships with a *very* limited php.ini file which only contains oL commented out extensions. Now I've had a go at adding some other options to / this file and they _do_ seem to have an effect.t  J Can anyone say which php options are actually supported by MOD_PHP; is it L all of them? If so why does it not ship with a fuller php.ini file to allow J easier customisation. If there are a more limited set of options, is this  documented anywhere. r   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Feb 2005 22:52:01 -0800i From: dmakadia@gmail.com Subject: ssh in VMS C Message-ID: <1107327121.210905.113910@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   B I would like to use SSH in VMS can any one help me with this???? IB would like to use SSH from VMS worksation to VMS server and WindowG workstation to VMS server. I am new to VMS so for VMS Guru's this might-0 be a fullish question. Please help me.... Thanks   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Feb 2005 08:38:09 +0100/. From: huber@NOBODY-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) Subject: Re: ssh in VMS=+ Message-ID: <Obu6BIaIdO3O@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   ^ In article <1107327121.210905.113910@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, dmakadia@gmail.com writes:D > I would like to use SSH in VMS can any one help me with this???? ID > would like to use SSH from VMS worksation to VMS server and WindowI > workstation to VMS server. I am new to VMS so for VMS Guru's this mightn2 > be a fullish question. Please help me.... Thanks  , It depends on the TCPIP stack You are using:  : Integrated with the process.com stacks (Multinet,tcpware).= process.com also has a SSH product for (DEC-COMPAQ-)HP TCPIP..  > Then for TCPIP services 5.3 there is an early adapters kit SSH@ (with limited functionality, but usable at least for ssh login).   In TCPIP 5.4 SSH is integrated..  ? And for older VMS/TCPIP/UCX versions there is David Jones (OSU)g> implementation of an SSH server (look into freeware archives),4 and the FISH SSH client, also in the freeware suite.    -- p6    Joseph Huber, Muenchen  http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:27:33 -0500+ From: "John S." <j.simakauskas@comcast.net>l Subject: Re: ssh in VMSh0 Message-ID: <tp6dnZ1vbI3Ffp3fRVn-jQ@comcast.com>  & <dmakadia@gmail.com> wrote in message = news:1107327121.210905.113910@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...iC >I would like to use SSH in VMS can any one help me with this???? I D > would like to use SSH from VMS worksation to VMS server and WindowI > workstation to VMS server. I am new to VMS so for VMS Guru's this might 2 > be a fullish question. Please help me.... Thanks >   # A list SSH clients can be found at e, http://www.process.com/sshclients/index.htmlE There are more clients than what's listed there but it's a very good r starting point.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:39:05 +0100i0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>' Subject: Re: Suggestion for VAX VMS 8.2l@ Message-ID: <4200c9e9$0$804$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   JF Mezei wrote:t > Wilm Boerhout wrote: > G >>I have seen a few hints of this allegedly new version of VAX VMS, butcH >>cannot seem to find an "official" statement from HP. Can you provide a6 >>pointer? I'm anxious to find out the new features... >  > H > In the roadmap NOTES, there is mention that HP is currently evaluating- > whether or not to produce VMS 8.2 for VAX.   > H > No mention of features. But one would assume that such a version wouldI > be built as way to give VAX-VMS compatibility with VAX-whatever for the F > longest possible time. Hence my suggestion that the engineers should= > look ahead and give VAX-VMS lots of flexibility in terms of ( > interoperating with VMS in the future.  G I think SRI and all those CHARON-VAX Resellers out there should now be N@ mobilizing their customers and talking directly to HP about the F importance of having at a long-supported OpenVMS V8.2 base level (and I continuing new releases) for the VAX as an important market enhancer and  C as a comfortable bridge(s) to the Itanium (or other future OpenVMS   platforms).u   Cheers!a   Keith Cayembergu   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:04:06 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e: Subject: There goes the volume market. Remind me again...., Message-ID: <0c6dneZKf-hLQJ3fRVn-uw@igs.net>  J just how many billions were spent on developing Itanic - a chip which willC most likely sell fewer cpu's before it is cancelled than Alpha did.-  J The quoted $150MM per annum cost of Alpha development efforts in 2001 is aL drop in the bucket by comparison and would have yielded better results, both6 from a performance and market penetration perspective.    H Of course, if every consumer rushed out to buy an Itanic server to store their recipies on.......      7 http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119373,00.asp0  J ....Not only has Microsoft announced its plans to release its first 64-bitG operating system for *mainstream* desktops, Windows XP Professional X64 K Edition, by the middle of this year, but also the company has delivered its 8 initial Release Candidate (RC1) of the operating system.I Microsoft has produced 64-bit OSs before, most recently Windows XP 64-Bit-L Edition for high-end workstations powered by Intel's Itanium CPU, but XP X64K is the first Windows OS designed for PCs based on 64-bit CPUs that can alsomK run today's 32-bit apps--most notably AMD's 64-bit Athlons, which have beens on the market since 2003. .....a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 06:21:34 -0800i# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> > Subject: Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again....( Message-ID: <opslkp58uozgicya@hyrrokkin>  E On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:04:06 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:u  I > just how many billions were spent on developing Itanic - a chip which  e > willE > most likely sell fewer cpu's before it is cancelled than Alpha did.  >iL > The quoted $150MM per annum cost of Alpha development efforts in 2001 is   > a0K > drop in the bucket by comparison and would have yielded better results,  u > both8 > from a performance and market penetration perspective. >e > J > Of course, if every consumer rushed out to buy an Itanic server to store > their recipies on....... >0 >1J I'd be curious to see a breakdown of the $3b Jenkins said in his interview9 was being committed to Itanium over the next three years.    > 9 > http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119373,00.asp' >eG > ....Not only has Microsoft announced its plans to release its first  a > 64-bitI > operating system for *mainstream* desktops, Windows XP Professional X64:K > Edition, by the middle of this year, but also the company has delivered  a > its : > initial Release Candidate (RC1) of the operating system.K > Microsoft has produced 64-bit OSs before, most recently Windows XP 64-BitZL > Edition for high-end workstations powered by Intel's Itanium CPU, but XP   > X64mJ > is the first Windows OS designed for PCs based on 64-bit CPUs that can   > alsoJ > run today's 32-bit apps--most notably AMD's 64-bit Athlons, which have   > been! > on the market since 2003. .....  >  >e >        -- iC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:17:19 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>-> Subject: Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again....+ Message-ID: <ctr1v0$c7m$1@naig.caltech.edu>    Tom Linden wrote:SG > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:04:06 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:e >    >>K >> Of course, if every consumer rushed out to buy an Itanic server to store  >> their recipies on.......  >> >>L > I'd be curious to see a breakdown of the $3b Jenkins said in his interview; > was being committed to Itanium over the next three years.  >  >>  = HP's strategy is so pathetically bad it's amazing that any of)H the people involved are still allowed to work.  (Let alone permitted to H run major companies, as Carly and Curly are.)  HP got in bed with Intel F on Itanium, spent ungodly sums on developing it, scuttled all of theirF other processors in its favor BEFORE it was available to replace them I (PA-RISC, Alpha as a prelude to the takeover) and now finds that, lo and 5B behold, HP is effectively the only company that will use the chip.G Itanium has an unmeasurably small market share, and costs every bit as  I much, if not more, than the processors it replaced (sic).  Along the way l8 they crippled the VMS market, destroyed the Tru64 marketE (how many of those folks moved to HPUX, 1% maybe???), hobbled Tandem,1. and did who knows what damage to HPUX and MPE.  F Their PC business was a big loser, so naturally they bought the other A big loser (Compaq) and effectively paid for it by giving partial nI ownership in the ink/printer business to the former Compaq shareholders. _:   In other words, HP shareholders were completely screwed,; going from 100% ownership of the only functional part of HP28 to 66% (or whatever it turned out to be.) In return they: ended up owning shares in a PC company that somehow wasn't< the sum of its pieces and still doesn't make any real money.B (As an aside, I also resent that now the local computer megastoresB sell Compaq and HP machines as if they were somehow different from8 each other - faux competition is not good for a market.)  4 HP also got SAP'd.  Showing not only that they can't< manage themselves but that any potential client should think? very long and very hard before letting HP touch related aspectse of their own business.  C ROI for all of this?  Technology and Engineering talent squandered.' Grrr.  Don't get me started.  = On the plus side they now sell ipods. One suspects that AppleM@ makes more on each HP ipod sold than does HP.  Have they learned _nothing_ from the PC market???f  ; All in all IBM, Dell and even Sun could hardly have dreamedf of a less worthy competitor.  0 Carly's new version of the "HP Way" is a synonym for "Don't do it this way.">   Regards,   David Mathog$ sideways:  ude dot hceltac at gohtam   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:39:38 GMTt3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)i+ Subject: Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3 2 Message-ID: <uK4Md.7075$Ke4.6323@news.cpqcorp.net>   Somebody wrote:r  + >...it seems that if A ~ B & B ~C -> A ~C ?l   Nope.   G There are certain logical and mathmatical realationships for which thistH is true -- equality is the most obvious -- but it does NOT hold when the( relationship is "can be clustered with".  I Here is an example the will illustrate how this implication may not work:m  (     John loves Mary and Mary loves Bill.)     Does this imply that John loves Bill?D  - Well, he may, but don't bet on it in general!n   -- iJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:32:52 -0500s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>d+ Subject: Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3 B Message-ID: <1107368501.2cf27fdad857b96f52402ddbbccb3a77@teranews>   Charlie Hammond wrote:K > Here is an example the will illustrate how this implication may not work:a > * >     John loves Mary and Mary loves Bill.+ >     Does this imply that John loves Bill?e  D It does imply that Bill will get John's diseases though (due to MSCPH ensuring that they are transfered between nodes in this 3 node cluster).  F But this still doesn't explain what has changed in the SCS protocol to% cause 5.5-2 not to interact with 7.2.s  G Someone mentioned the volume shadowing code. Fine. But if you don't usegF volume shadowing, would changes to it affect your ability to cluster ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:59:16 +0100S' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> $ Subject: Re: VMS CVS client with ssh2 Message-ID: <4200DCB4.1020500@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>   John Gemignani, Jr. wrote:< > "David Jones" <david-m-jones@nospam.net> wrote in message : > news:uCfKd.32097$K72.4106876@twister.southeast.rr.com... > A >>Anyone have a CVS client in use on VMS 7.3-2 that is using ssh?nG >>I have cvs 1.11 and have it almost working but I only get a "bad filep) >>number" error on attempts to check out.. >> >>Thanks - DMJ >> >  > L > I have one but it requires a special SSH image that I had to put together & > before severing my ties with TCP/IP. > H > You define a symbol/logical to get the special SSH image, and all CVS  > features appear to work. > $ > Contact me if you want the images. > G Does this ssh image work for a recent version of HP-TCP/IP services on r: AXP? If yes, than I'm very interersted in this special ssh                  Jouk    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:07:54 +0100i' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>i$ Subject: Re: VMS CVS client with ssh2 Message-ID: <4200DEBA.9020106@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>   John Gemignani, Jr. wrote:< > "David Jones" <david-m-jones@nospam.net> wrote in message : > news:uCfKd.32097$K72.4106876@twister.southeast.rr.com... > A >>Anyone have a CVS client in use on VMS 7.3-2 that is using ssh?hG >>I have cvs 1.11 and have it almost working but I only get a "bad filer) >>number" error on attempts to check out.p >> >>Thanks - DMJ >> >  > L > I have one but it requires a special SSH image that I had to put together & > before severing my ties with TCP/IP. > H > You define a symbol/logical to get the special SSH image, and all CVS  > features appear to work. > $ > Contact me if you want the images. > G Does this ssh image work for a recent version of HP-TCP/IP services on c: AXP? If yes, than I'm very interersted in this special ssh                  Jouk2   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.066 ************************