0 INFO-VAX	Fri, 04 Feb 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 69      Contents: Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again... ' Attunity discontinuing support for RMS? # DE500, Decnet, VMS 6.2 on Alpha 800 ' Re: DE500, Decnet, VMS 6.2 on Alpha 800 8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA8 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Re: Full page color HP ad for  Re: Full page color HP ad for # Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion # Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion # Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion # Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion # Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion # Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion # Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion # Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion # Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion # Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion # Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion  Re: Intrusion attempts Re: Intrusion attempts Re: Intrusion attempts Re: Intrusion attempts# Re: Is there a FAQ for this group ?  Re: Lexical to get ACL Lexical to get ACL Re: Lexical to get ACL Re: Lexical to get ACL Re: Lexical to get ACL! OT: Curly soon to be out of a job  Re: php.ini options in MOD_PHP Re: php.ini options in MOD_PHP5 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM 5 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM 5 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM 5 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM , Re: SCSI ON A VAX 4000/500 - WHAT DO I NEED?5 Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again.... 5 Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again.... 5 Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again.... " Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3" Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3 Vendor support for RMS% Re: Vendor support for RMS (Attunity)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 3 Feb 2005 18:34:21 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) " Subject: Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again...3 Message-ID: <POgr3cOZlPND@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <4201FA0E.7040706@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:# > Dave Froble was overheard to say:  >>  @ >> The change to the example above to preclude such mistakes is: >>  8 >>     external long function  sys$exit( LONG by value ) >>  I >> But 'REAL' programmers don't need such compiler help, or do they?  :-)  >>   >> Dave  > B > But then surely 'REAL' programmers KNOW all the system services,A > all the relevant parameters and their passing mechanisms... ;-)   B Real programmers use languages for which system services and their# calling conventions are predefined.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Feb 2005 17:31:53 -0800  From: mpchar1@earthlink.net 0 Subject: Attunity discontinuing support for RMS?C Message-ID: <1107480713.457880.231700@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   F I've heard a rumor that Attunity may be discontinuing support for RMS? Can anyone verify? Thanks.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:36:54 -06003 From: "Roy Osborn" <RoyAOsborn_nospam_@hotmail.com> , Subject: DE500, Decnet, VMS 6.2 on Alpha 800$ Message-ID: <4202a85a$1_1@127.0.0.1>  E I am trying to get DECnet up on a AlphaServer 800 running ancient VMS  6.2-1H3 with SRM v.5.6-16    I have installed ECO's:      ALPCPU0d05_062     ALPCPU1A02_062     ALPCPU1B03_062K     but not ALPLAN05_062 as it requires TCP/IP 4.2, which I don't have yet.   ( Remote nodes have been defined with NCP.  F Both DE500 NICs were configured from the SRM with "set ewa0_mod fast".  J I am trying to talk to a couple of MicroVax's (VMS 5.2 and 5.4) which have5 no trouble communicating with each other over DECnet.   < On the DE500, 100 light glows yellow, link light is not lit.  K Connected to a LinkSys 10/100 hub along with one of the MicroVax's (running 1 at 10 MBit through a "Ethernet Media Converter").   K There is another DE500 in the unit that will eventually be used for TCP/IP, / 100M light glows yellow, link light glow green.   H Someone said you must have TCP/IP software installed to use the DE500 on* DECnet, but that doesn't seem right to me.  $ Any ideas on what to check out next?      O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 04:53:17 GMT 2 From: Gib Copeland <copeland@jenni.path.uiowa.edu>0 Subject: Re: DE500, Decnet, VMS 6.2 on Alpha 800- Message-ID: <1dDMd.18496$C24.16047@attbi_s52>    Roy Osborn wrote: G > I am trying to get DECnet up on a AlphaServer 800 running ancient VMS  > 6.2-1H3 with SRM v.5.6-16  > * > Remote nodes have been defined with NCP.  I It would be helpful to know if your Alpha's running DECnet Phase IV or V.  ($ product show product)  , Please report the results of these commands:      $ mcr ncp list known lines      $ mcr ncp list known circuits,    $ type sys$manager:net$csmacd_startup.ncl-    $ type sys$manager:net$routing_startup.ncl    > H > Both DE500 NICs were configured from the SRM with "set ewa0_mod fast". >   F If you have two DE500's, you should be aware that the settings for the7 second NIC use the SRM environment variable "ewb0_mode"   L > I am trying to talk to a couple of MicroVax's (VMS 5.2 and 5.4) which have7 > no trouble communicating with each other over DECnet.  > > > On the DE500, 100 light glows yellow, link light is not lit.   That's not good.  Bad cable?   > M > Connected to a LinkSys 10/100 hub along with one of the MicroVax's (running 3 > at 10 MBit through a "Ethernet Media Converter").  > M > There is another DE500 in the unit that will eventually be used for TCP/IP, 1 > 100M light glows yellow, link light glow green.   3 Try swapping the cables with the other NIC -- LLGG?   J > Someone said you must have TCP/IP software installed to use the DE500 on, > DECnet, but that doesn't seem right to me.  M You're right, you don't need TCP/IP Services (or UCX) to use DECnet with your  DE500's.  & > Any ideas on what to check out next? >   X itrc.hp.com ( http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/categoryhome.do?categoryId=290 ); or openvms.org (http://www.openvms.org/phorum/list.php?f=1)   P Signal to noise ratio in this group is pretty low these days. You'll have better luck with the addresses above.   Gib    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:35:02 +0000 (UTC). From: dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans)A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA / Message-ID: <ctu5e6$jj3$1@rumours.uwaterloo.ca>   0 In article <VcmdnSKB0axCcZzfRVn-qQ@comcast.com>,! Joe Smith  <joe@inwap.com> wrote:  > I >And the computer graphics in the TRON movie were calculated on a PDP-10.  >   =   Not all of TRON was done by Triple-I.  There were two other B companies; MAGI (I think I spelled that correctly) is the only oneD whose name I recall at the moment.  I don't know whether these other companies also used PDP-10s.   --  M David Evans                                         dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca M Research Associate, Ph.D. Candidate        http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ M University of Waterloo         "Default is the value selected by the composer M Ontario, Canada           overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:48:00 GMT 1 From: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx> A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA : Message-ID: <slrnd0570f.mri.jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx>  > On 2005-02-03, David Evans <dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:2 > In article <VcmdnSKB0axCcZzfRVn-qQ@comcast.com>,# > Joe Smith  <joe@inwap.com> wrote: J >>And the computer graphics in the TRON movie were calculated on a PDP-10.? >   Not all of TRON was done by Triple-I.  There were two other D > companies; MAGI (I think I spelled that correctly) is the only oneF > whose name I recall at the moment.  I don't know whether these other > companies also used PDP-10s.  I There were a total of four companies that did animation for TRON. I don't G recall off the top of my head which did what, but it's in the making-of E video on the 20th Anniversary edition DVD. All four are listed in the  credits.  $ Didn't Triple-I use the F-1, though?   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:28:03 +0000 (UTC). From: dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans)A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA / Message-ID: <ctu8hj$lut$1@rumours.uwaterloo.ca>   : In article <slrnd0570f.mri.jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx>,* Jay Maynard  <jmaynard@conmicro.cx> wrote:? >On 2005-02-03, David Evans <dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca> wrote: 3 >> In article <VcmdnSKB0axCcZzfRVn-qQ@comcast.com>, $ >> Joe Smith  <joe@inwap.com> wrote:K >>>And the computer graphics in the TRON movie were calculated on a PDP-10. @ >>   Not all of TRON was done by Triple-I.  There were two otherE >> companies; MAGI (I think I spelled that correctly) is the only one G >> whose name I recall at the moment.  I don't know whether these other  >> companies also used PDP-10s.  > J >There were a total of four companies that did animation for TRON. I don'tH >recall off the top of my head which did what, but it's in the making-ofF >video on the 20th Anniversary edition DVD. All four are listed in the	 >credits.  >   C   Yeah, that's where I'm remembering my info from, although since I E haven't watched the DVD in quite a few months it wouldn't surprise me ( if I had forgotten about more companies.  % >Didn't Triple-I use the F-1, though?  >   %   Yep.  Dave Sieg has some info here:   # http://vhost2.zfx.com/~dave/f1.html   ( Interestingly bizarre KA-10 cab colours.   --  M David Evans                                         dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca M Research Associate, Ph.D. Candidate        http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ M University of Waterloo         "Default is the value selected by the composer M Ontario, Canada           overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:01:56 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA B Message-ID: <1107471035.d8572d9b57040c0729285be3ffb6404a@teranews>  K re: TRON the movie.  (not sure first post went through, sorry if duplicate)   K The following really puts the movie in perspective for those times : (1982)    Company credits at: 1 http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0084827/companycredits    It lists special effects from:@                                        Digital Effects Inc. [us]8                                        MAGI-SynthavisionF                                        Robert Abel and Associates [us]?                                        Stargate Films Inc. [us]   N Some of these names are probably companies that bought the original companies.G MAGI is only shown to have done 2 movies Tron and another one in 1985.  B Stargate has Tron in 1982, and then nothing intil 1990 followed by plenty in the late 1990s.     ) http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0084827/trivia  # ? TRON is a BASIC command, short for "trace on". The command is a F debugging tool, to trace a program line by line to ferret out bugs and> glitches. (It's opposite is TROFF, which turns the trace off.) # C The movie was passed over for an Academy Award  nomination for Best A Visual Effects because the Academy felt TRON "cheated" by using a 
 computer.  # H Many people have claimed over the years that the  title/character's nameE is a reference to a computer  command. Steven Lisberger, however, has F made it clear in  interview after interview that he got the name from F "Electronic", and didn't even know about the commands  until some timeE later. Interestingly enough, the BASIC  command Tron serves a similar * function to the Tron Program in the movie. # B At the time, computers could generate static images, but could notB automatically put them into motion. Thus, the coordinates for eachB image, such as a lightcycle, had to be entered for each individualG frame. It took 600 coordinates to  get 4 seconds of film. Each of these E coordinates was  entered into the computer by hand by the filmmakers.  # H Many Disney animators refused to work on this movie  because they fearedF that computers would put them out of business. In fact, 22 years laterF Disney closed its and-drawn animation studio in favor of CGI animation # H While computer animation was used in several scenes, the  technology did> not exist for a shot to contain both live  actors and computerH animation. Live-action shots were fantasized using hand-drawn animation.? Strong editing,  such as with the light cycle chase, created an < apparently  seamless blend of actors and computer animation. #     F Another tidbit: in all but a very few scenes, the camera is in a fixedH location, bolted to the ground. (which probably was required to make the- overlay of computer generated stuff possible.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:57:30 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> A Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA B Message-ID: <1107470767.499dc0c73edb6f6b3084495a9249c406@teranews>   re: TRON the movie.   K The following really puts the movie in perspective for those times : (1982)    Company credits at: 1 http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0084827/companycredits    It lists special effects from:@                                        Digital Effects Inc. [us]8                                        MAGI-SynthavisionF                                        Robert Abel and Associates [us]?                                        Stargate Films Inc. [us]   N Some of these names are probably companies that bought the original companies.G MAGI is only shown to have done 2 movies Tron and another one in 1985.  B Stargate has Tron in 1982, and then nothing intil 1990 followed by plenty in the late 1990s.     ) http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0084827/trivia  # ? TRON is a BASIC command, short for "trace on". The command is a F debugging tool, to trace a program line by line to ferret out bugs and> glitches. (It's opposite is TROFF, which turns the trace off.) # C The movie was passed over for an Academy Award  nomination for Best B Visual Effects because the Academyn felt TRON "cheated" by using a
 computer.  # H Many people have claimed over the years that the  title/character's nameE is a reference to a computer  command. Steven Lisberger, however, has F made it clear in  interview after interview that he got the name from F "Electronic", and didn't even know about the commands  until some timeE later. Interestingly enough, the BASIC  command Tron serves a similar * function to the Tron Program in the movie. # B At the time, computers could generate static images, but could notB automatically put them into motion. Thus, the coordinates for eachB image, such as a lightcycle, had to be entered for each individualG frame. It took 600 coordinates to  get 4 seconds of film. Each of these E coordinates was  entered into the computer by hand by the filmmakers.  # H Many Disney animators refused to work on this movie  because they fearedF that computers would put them out of business. In fact, 22 years laterF Disney closed its and-drawn animation studio in favor of CGI animation # H While computer animation was used in several scenes, the  technology did> not exist for a shot to contain both live  actors and computerH animation. Live-action shots were fantasized using hand-drawn animation.? Strong editing,  such as with the light cycle chase, created an < apparently  seamless blend of actors and computer animation. #    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:26:28 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>& Subject: Re: Full page color HP ad for+ Message-ID: <4202DD53.58C33606@comcast.net>    John Smith wrote:  > . > .....Itanic servers in my local paper today. > N > No mention of *any* operating system. Guess that means I can install Solaris > on it.  G I do lurk on alt.solaris.x86. I've not seen mention of it, but I skip a  lot of stuff...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 02:43:47 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>& Subject: Re: Full page color HP ad for* Message-ID: <4202E153.6070300@prodigy.net>   John Smith wrote: . > .....Itanic servers in my local paper today. > N > No mention of *any* operating system. Guess that means I can install Solaris > on it. >  >  Perhaps if you port it.    --  D The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:04:42 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion0 Message-ID: <00A3ED81.C5DACA37@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <1107455262.334578.101620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, kenneth.randell@verizon.net writes:  > " >VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:G >> I have one of the rx2600 servers from the Itanium Developer's Forum.  > G >> This unit arrived in the "Jersey Wall" floor pedestal configuration. H >> I need to rack mount this system.  Has anyone here done the same and,H >> if so, what is the part number.  I have found a part number searchingH >> HP's site (MFG#: A9911A) which says it is "HP Integrity rx2600 serverH >> rack bezel upgrade.  As luck would have it, there's no picture and noG >> specification.  It seems to me to only be the face plate and it is a F >> tad pricey for just that if it does not contain all of the mounting" >> hardware to stuff it in a rack. >> > @ >Looks to me like you want AB376A for the actual rack-mount kit. > > >This is called out on page 5 of the QuickSpecs and also here: > O >http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2620/supplies.html  > C >A9911A looks to me like just the front plastic cover bezel. If I'm F >right, then there are two parts for it; A7231-04055 which is the leftF >bezel & latch, A7231-04053, which is the right side.  I got this fromH >the rx2600 I have, but it was ordered with the pedastal conversion kit.  E Wouldn't you know it.  This link says that the part I need is AB376A: F HP Itanium rx2600 Field Rack Kit.  I went to the HP Parts Store and it* says that this part is no longer supplied.  F Itanium *has* sunk!  Talk about riding on a dead horse.  What a waste 	 of my $2K    --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:37:54 -0600) From: "Grant, James B." <GrantJ@umkc.edu> , Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversionI Message-ID: <E55808CC8DD080418744E208A29F6780DFAFA4@KC-MAIL2.kc.umkc.edu>   " kenneth.randel @verizon.net wrote:  " >VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:G >> I have one of the rx2600 servers from the Itanium Developer's Forum.   G >> This unit arrived in the "Jersey Wall" floor pedestal configuration. H >> I need to rack mount this system.  Has anyone here done the same and,H >> if so, what is the part number.  I have found a part number searchingH >> HP's site (MFG#: A9911A) which says it is "HP Integrity rx2600 serverH >> rack bezel upgrade.  As luck would have it, there's no picture and noG >> specification.  It seems to me to only be the face plate and it is a F >> tad pricey for just that if it does not contain all of the mounting" >> hardware to stuff it in a rack. >>  @ >Looks to me like you want AB376A for the actual rack-mount kit.  > >This is called out on page 5 of the QuickSpecs and also here:H >http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2620/suppli es.html   C >A9911A looks to me like just the front plastic cover bezel. If I'm F >right, then there are two parts for it; A7231-04055 which is the leftF >bezel & latch, A7231-04053, which is the right side.  I got this fromH >the rx2600 I have, but it was ordered with the pedastal conversion kit.  A The A6939B is the complete kit for a 19" rack and includes rails, * powercords, swing arm and dark grey bezel.  > The A6939A is the same except the bezel is light grey (putty).  	 Jim Grant  VMS and UNIX Sysadmin $ University of Missouri - Kansas City   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Feb 2005 13:13:11 -0800 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> , Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversionC Message-ID: <1107464089.672306.110700@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: E > In article <1107455262.334578.101620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,  kenneth.randell@verizon.net G > Wouldn't you know it.  This link says that the part I need is AB376A: E > HP Itanium rx2600 Field Rack Kit.  I went to the HP Parts Store and  it, > says that this part is no longer supplied. > G > Itanium *has* sunk!  Talk about riding on a dead horse.  What a waste    > of my $2K  >   G I'll trade ya a PWS 500au with 1GB memory and 36GB of disk plus a shelf  to lay it on in your rack... ;)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:33:47 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion, Message-ID: <_vOdnbxD6eAjBZ_fRVn-pA@igs.net>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:E > In article <1107455262.334578.101620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, % > kenneth.randell@verizon.net writes:  >>$ >> VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:H >>> I have one of the rx2600 servers from the Itanium Developer's Forum. >>H >>> This unit arrived in the "Jersey Wall" floor pedestal configuration.D >>> I need to rack mount this system.  Has anyone here done the sameD >>> and, if so, what is the part number.  I have found a part numberE >>> searching HP's site (MFG#: A9911A) which says it is "HP Integrity E >>> rx2600 server rack bezel upgrade.  As luck would have it, there's C >>> no picture and no specification.  It seems to me to only be the B >>> face plate and it is a tad pricey for just that if it does not? >>> contain all of the mounting hardware to stuff it in a rack.  >>>  >>B >> Looks to me like you want AB376A for the actual rack-mount kit. >>@ >> This is called out on page 5 of the QuickSpecs and also here: >> >>L http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2620/supplies.ht ml >>E >> A9911A looks to me like just the front plastic cover bezel. If I'm H >> right, then there are two parts for it; A7231-04055 which is the leftH >> bezel & latch, A7231-04053, which is the right side.  I got this fromE >> the rx2600 I have, but it was ordered with the pedastal conversion  >> kit.  > G > Wouldn't you know it.  This link says that the part I need is AB376A: H > HP Itanium rx2600 Field Rack Kit.  I went to the HP Parts Store and it, > says that this part is no longer supplied. > G > Itanium *has* sunk!  Talk about riding on a dead horse.  What a waste  > of my $2K     > $4 worth of 2x4 from Home Depot will solve your problem eitherJ way.......build some rack rails with it, or use it to beat the living cr*p? out of the server in order to relieve your frustration with HP.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:33:39 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>, Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion2 Message-ID: <7FxMd.7194$H46.2423@news.cpqcorp.net>   VAXman- wrote:? > Wouldn't you know it.  This link says that the part I need is C > AB376A: HP Itanium rx2600 Field Rack Kit.  I went to the HP Parts 9 > Store and it says that this part is no longer supplied.   @ I would suspect a glitch on partsurfer, or perhaps a part number@ change that was not reflected in the previous link.  I'm leaningE towards the former since I can enter that AB376A as a part number (as > opposed to product number) and it does come-up - albeit with aD description as an rx2620 field rack kit (IIRC it is the same chassisE as the rx2600). What does not appear for me is a box into which I can B enter quantity.  Feel free to excercise the "Contact Us" link thatE should be off to the left there.  I've do so, but it wouldn't hurt to  have it repeated.   F The AB376A appears in the current ordering guides that go to the salesC types, and from what I can see (not an official quote :) it is $75.    hth,  
 rick jones --  G oxymoron n, commuter in a gas-guzzling luxury SUV with an American flag F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:16:45 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion0 Message-ID: <00A3ED9C.99E84A3B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  R In article <_vOdnbxD6eAjBZ_fRVn-pA@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:! >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: F >> In article <1107455262.334578.101620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,& >> kenneth.randell@verizon.net writes: >>> % >>> VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: I >>>> I have one of the rx2600 servers from the Itanium Developer's Forum.  >>> I >>>> This unit arrived in the "Jersey Wall" floor pedestal configuration. E >>>> I need to rack mount this system.  Has anyone here done the same E >>>> and, if so, what is the part number.  I have found a part number F >>>> searching HP's site (MFG#: A9911A) which says it is "HP IntegrityF >>>> rx2600 server rack bezel upgrade.  As luck would have it, there'sD >>>> no picture and no specification.  It seems to me to only be theC >>>> face plate and it is a tad pricey for just that if it does not @ >>>> contain all of the mounting hardware to stuff it in a rack. >>>> >>> C >>> Looks to me like you want AB376A for the actual rack-mount kit.  >>> A >>> This is called out on page 5 of the QuickSpecs and also here:  >>>  >>> M >http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2620/supplies.ht  >ml  >>> F >>> A9911A looks to me like just the front plastic cover bezel. If I'mI >>> right, then there are two parts for it; A7231-04055 which is the left I >>> bezel & latch, A7231-04053, which is the right side.  I got this from F >>> the rx2600 I have, but it was ordered with the pedastal conversion >>> kit. >>H >> Wouldn't you know it.  This link says that the part I need is AB376A:I >> HP Itanium rx2600 Field Rack Kit.  I went to the HP Parts Store and it - >> says that this part is no longer supplied.  >>H >> Itanium *has* sunk!  Talk about riding on a dead horse.  What a waste >> of my $2K >  > ? >$4 worth of 2x4 from Home Depot will solve your problem either K >way.......build some rack rails with it, or use it to beat the living cr*p @ >out of the server in order to relieve your frustration with HP.  . I could have had myself a 20" iMac G5 for $2K.   --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:29:49 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion, Message-ID: <2d-dneVwd_BCOJ_fRVn-3g@igs.net>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:; > In article <_vOdnbxD6eAjBZ_fRVn-pA@igs.net>, "John Smith"  > <a@nonymous.com> writes:# >> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: G >>> In article <1107455262.334578.101620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, ' >>> kenneth.randell@verizon.net writes:  >>>>& >>>> VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:C >>>>> I have one of the rx2600 servers from the Itanium Developer's  >>>>> Forum. >>>>; >>>>> This unit arrived in the "Jersey Wall" floor pedestal G >>>>> configuration. I need to rack mount this system.  Has anyone here F >>>>> done the same and, if so, what is the part number.  I have foundG >>>>> a part number searching HP's site (MFG#: A9911A) which says it is D >>>>> "HP Integrity rx2600 server rack bezel upgrade.  As luck wouldG >>>>> have it, there's no picture and no specification.  It seems to me G >>>>> to only be the face plate and it is a tad pricey for just that if G >>>>> it does not contain all of the mounting hardware to stuff it in a  >>>>> rack.  >>>>>  >>>>D >>>> Looks to me like you want AB376A for the actual rack-mount kit. >>>>B >>>> This is called out on page 5 of the QuickSpecs and also here: >>>> >>>> >>L http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2620/supplies.ht >> ml  >>>>G >>>> A9911A looks to me like just the front plastic cover bezel. If I'm E >>>> right, then there are two parts for it; A7231-04055 which is the E >>>> left bezel & latch, A7231-04053, which is the right side.  I got F >>>> this from the rx2600 I have, but it was ordered with the pedastal >>>> conversion kit. >>> A >>> Wouldn't you know it.  This link says that the part I need is E >>> AB376A: HP Itanium rx2600 Field Rack Kit.  I went to the HP Parts ; >>> Store and it says that this part is no longer supplied.  >>> C >>> Itanium *has* sunk!  Talk about riding on a dead horse.  What a  >>> waste of my $2K  >> >>A >> $4 worth of 2x4 from Home Depot will solve your problem either A >> way.......build some rack rails with it, or use it to beat the E >> living cr*p out of the server in order to relieve your frustration  >> with HP.  > 0 > I could have had myself a 20" iMac G5 for $2K.     More apps available for it too.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Feb 2005 18:47:01 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) , Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion3 Message-ID: <lHhHBMXHySgS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <36f8dnF4tv2bhU1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes: " > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>... H >> IDF but have not received a single response.  I have a lot of Itanium2 >> here that I can't use if I can't rack mount it. >>...  > J > While searching for information about the RX2600 I noticed that there isI > a manual named hp workstations zx6000, hp server rx2600 - tower to rack E > and rack to tower system conversion guide (a7857-90017) on the page  > http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/DocumentIndex.jsp?contentType=SupportManual&locale=en_US&docIndexId=179911&taskId=101&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=447335   G I tried to read it but got a "page not found" looking for the PDF file.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Feb 2005 17:01:28 -0800 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> , Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversionC Message-ID: <1107478888.099139.266180@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   ? Or 4 base level Mac Mini's for just tad more...   Anybody for a  MacCluster?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:31:40 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion+ Message-ID: <4202DE8C.BD4E9D29@comcast.net>   ! "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" wrote:  > A > Or 4 base level Mac Mini's for just tad more...   Anybody for a 
 > MacCluster?    Do I get fries with that?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 04:34:36 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) , Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversionL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0302052334440001@user-uinj40i.dialup.mindspring.com>  9 In article <00A3ED9C.6C7AC514@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- , @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  J >In article <E55808CC8DD080418744E208A29F6780DFAFA4@KC-MAIL2.kc.umkc.edu>,+ "Grant, James B." <GrantJ@umkc.edu> writes:t$ >>kenneth.randel @verizon.net wrote: >>$ >>>VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:I >>>> I have one of the rx2600 servers from the Itanium Developer's Forum.p >>I >>>> This unit arrived in the "Jersey Wall" floor pedestal configuration. J >>>> I need to rack mount this system.  Has anyone here done the same and,J >>>> if so, what is the part number.  I have found a part number searchingJ >>>> HP's site (MFG#: A9911A) which says it is "HP Integrity rx2600 serverJ >>>> rack bezel upgrade.  As luck would have it, there's no picture and noI >>>> specification.  It seems to me to only be the face plate and it is a H >>>> tad pricey for just that if it does not contain all of the mounting$ >>>> hardware to stuff it in a rack. >>>> >>B >>>Looks to me like you want AB376A for the actual rack-mount kit. >>@ >>>This is called out on page 5 of the QuickSpecs and also here:J >>>http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2620/suppli	 >>es.htmlo >>E >>>A9911A looks to me like just the front plastic cover bezel. If I'meH >>>right, then there are two parts for it; A7231-04055 which is the leftH >>>bezel & latch, A7231-04053, which is the right side.  I got this fromJ >>>the rx2600 I have, but it was ordered with the pedastal conversion kit. >>C >>The A6939B is the complete kit for a 19" rack and includes rails,k, >>powercords, swing arm and dark grey bezel. >>@ >>The A6939A is the same except the bezel is light grey (putty). >> >>Jim Grant. >>VMS and UNIX Sysadmin.& >>University of Missouri - Kansas City > , >Putting in the A6939A part number returned: >fL >A6939A, A6939AR, and A6939AZR... all 3 are listed "Part No longer supplied") >A6939B is also "Part No longer supplied"     C A6939B sounds like the right part.  The other one was the old color-F scheme; I'm not surprised if it isn't sold any more.  A6939B should beG orderable.  I don't know what you are using to check availability (youriI problem report was rather incomplete in this respect), but the rack mountgE kits are still available; the group I work in buys them all the time.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:40:59 -0800r, From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> Subject: Re: Intrusion attemptsh+ Message-ID: <ctu5pb$c4s$1@news01.intel.com>t   Syltrem wrote:   > Hi >  > When I do the following:& > $ SET AUDIT/ALARM/ENABLE=LOGFAIL=ALL > L > I will get a message similar to this one when a failed login attempt is is
 > detected >  > H > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   3-FEB-2005 08:41:24.96  %%%%%%%%%%%    (from node > KRONOS at  >   3-FEB-2005 08:41:24.97)u* > Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on KRONOS6 > Security alarm (SECURITY) on KRONOS, system id: 1050; > Auditable event:          Local interactive login failureM3 > Event time:                3-FEB-2005 08:41:24.97-$ > PID:                      204B826B% > Process name:             _VTA2781:s# > Username:                 <login>D? > Terminal name:            VTA2781, _NTY3751, [166.110.120.82]." > Remote node fullname:     TELNET$ > Remote username:          A66E7852= > Status:                   %LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user  > G > Is there any way to determine what username was actually entered? TheNK > AUDIT$SERVER message always shows <login> unless an actual username (i.e.v) > one that exists in sysuaf) was entered.   = As John Briggs pointed out, there are security issues if thaty) information were sent in a OPCOM message.5  < On the other hand, the information you seek is available viaC ACCOUNTING (which is where I find it), and mostly via ANALYZE/AUDIT A (which I haven't tried, so can't guarantee, but would expect it's  there).s  	      -Kent -- B6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfieldh! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:06:16 -05000- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>. Subject: Re: Intrusion attemptstB Message-ID: <1107467699.c323c63010b543e791c989fd0c5c5bac@teranews>   Syltrem wrote:C > Is there any way to determine what username was actually entered?r  A ANA/AUDIT/FULL is supposed to reveal a bit more. But doesn't showt password entered anymore.-  B Note that if the user enters nothing at the Login: prompt and uses< <CTRL-Z> or a timeout, then <login> is all that VMS can log.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:21:21 -0500C- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Intrusion attemptslB Message-ID: <1107468601.c771d249a0112acccb1228ea123424bd@teranews>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:wE > One assumes that the bad guys aren't using this as a covert channelP> > to determine which usernames are valid by listening to OPCOM> > console chatter in the next room and counting the characters4 > in the login failure audits being printed to OPA0:  B In the age  of internet,  the VMS so called "security" is severely. hampering investigations of breakin  attempts.  H Heck, I remember back in the 5.5-2 days, I was able to help users on theB phone by looking at OPCOM messages because they contained valuable information.    D But now, I, as a system manager, cannot do that anymore because that information is hidden from me. u  F Having full information for failed attempts is very important, even ifG it isn't displayed in OPCOM, it shoudl be available in the audit file.    F It is far more important to know how hackers in asia are trying to getG in than to prevent someone in a room next to OPCOM listen to the bells.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:01:19 -0500l' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: Intrusion attemptst, Message-ID: <4202E57F.3040901@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:t   > Syltrem wrote: > C >>Is there any way to determine what username was actually entered?g >> > C > ANA/AUDIT/FULL is supposed to reveal a bit more. But doesn't show. > password entered anymore.e > D > Note that if the user enters nothing at the Login: prompt and uses> > <CTRL-Z> or a timeout, then <login> is all that VMS can log. >   P This is among a group of many, where someone had to make a decision, and nobody  is happy, either way.e  L If there was switches for such, than each system admin could choose what he  wants recorded/not recorded.   Just my humble opinion.n   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:24:47 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: Is there a FAQ for this group ?+ Message-ID: <4202DCEF.6BE74573@comcast.net>.   Hoff Hoffman wrote:t > [snip]@ >   Isn't there a prescription cream for stalwart removal?   :-)  . Is a stalwart much different from a wall-wart?   -- t David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:n" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/d   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:08:06 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)b Subject: Re: Lexical to get ACLM1 Message-ID: <ahxMd.7191$U86.756@news.cpqcorp.net>h  u In article <20050203213657.34738.qmail@web81105.mail.yahoo.com>, "James J. O'Shea" <seamas_ose@ameritech.net> writes:v  :I'm on a VAX running OpenVMS6.2 :D6 :Is there a lexical function that will return the ACLs :associated with a given file?  ,   No, there is no such DCL lexical function.  <   What are you up to, in particular?  There may well be some<   alternative(s) available, depending on the particular goal   or particular requirements.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.como   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:36:57 -0800 (PST)2 From: "James J. O'Shea" <seamas_ose@ameritech.net> Subject: Lexical to get ACLl@ Message-ID: <20050203213657.34738.qmail@web81105.mail.yahoo.com>   I'm on a VAX running OpenVMS6.2T  5 Is there a lexical function that will return the ACLsc associated with a given file?r   Thanks,o
 Jim O'Shea   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:56:04 -0800 (PST)2 From: "James J. O'Shea" <seamas_ose@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: Lexical to get ACL @ Message-ID: <20050203215604.66394.qmail@web81103.mail.yahoo.com>  ! In a command procedure I want to:c  1 1. Save the ACLs and protection settings of file1A 2. Delete file1r, 3. Create file2 using the same name as file11 4. Apply original ACLs and protection of file1 to. file2       ( --- Hoff Hoffman <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote:   > In article >y5 <20050203213657.34738.qmail@web81105.mail.yahoo.com>,t6 > "James J. O'Shea" <seamas_ose@ameritech.net> writes:" > :I'm on a VAX running OpenVMS6.2 > :f3 > :Is there a lexical function that will return the  > ACLs  > :associated with a given file? > . >   No, there is no such DCL lexical function. > 6 >   What are you up to, in particular?  There may well	 > be some . >   alternative(s) available, depending on the > particular goal  >   or particular requirements.a >  > 2 >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> > -----------------------------p3 >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --a > www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqv4 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion > ---------------------------i6 >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering >   hoff[at]hp.com >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:37:35 GMTn# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: Lexical to get ACLo2 Message-ID: <PIxMd.7195$ha6.6465@news.cpqcorp.net>  u In article <20050203215604.66394.qmail@web81103.mail.yahoo.com>, "James J. O'Shea" <seamas_ose@ameritech.net> writes:z" :In a command procedure I want to: :j2 :1. Save the ACLs and protection settings of file1 :2. Delete file1- :3. Create file2 using the same name as file102 :4. Apply original ACLs and protection of file1 to :file2     CREATE file2$   SET SECURITY/LIKE=NAME=file1 file2   DELETE file1    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:43:43 -0600a2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Lexical to get ACLo* Message-ID: <4202E15F.9745DF5@comcast.net>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:n > w > In article <20050203215604.66394.qmail@web81103.mail.yahoo.com>, "James J. O'Shea" <seamas_ose@ameritech.net> writes: $ > :In a command procedure I want to: > : 4 > :1. Save the ACLs and protection settings of file1 > :2. Delete file1/ > :3. Create file2 using the same name as file1r4 > :4. Apply original ACLs and protection of file1 to > :file2 >  >   CREATE file2& >   SET SECURITY/LIKE=NAME=file1 file2 >   DELETE file1  D That would be one approach, yes, assuming there's room on the target: volume for both "versions" of the file. If not, one could:  =  1. Set the EOF block and FFB so the file "looks" empty, thenr?  2. SET FILE/TRUNCATE (use SET FILE/ATTR first to change a filee9     that you could normally not truncate to one you can).i  3. Create the new version"  4. Propagate the security profile  5. Delete the old file.  E I've "agonized" over this concept for many years, even developed someiA DCL to maintain/progate ACLs such that the file security could beeC maintained in one location, then applied by simply invoking a proc.i  D I've never found a good use for it, however, as the software vendorsA I've encountered since then still have not understood file/objectmH protection to point that users do not need outrageous privileges just to do their work.  H When you think about some of the vendors I've mentioned since 1999, it's really rather disturbing.t   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:i" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/s   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:33:28 -0500c- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>i* Subject: OT: Curly soon to be out of a jobB Message-ID: <1107480118.7047b617e5ddca7a62817d6b8db3f303@teranews>  / http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4234027.stme  G BBC reports that the Wall Street journal reports that Qwest will make a0 bid for MCI.  F Where will Curly go ?  Are there any companies left that are in such aG bad shape that nobody wants to take on the job of CEO, leaving the door9B opened for the accountant to get another job of scuttling and then selling the company ?t   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Feb 2005 14:38:02 -0800t/ From: "issinoho@gmail.com" <issinoho@gmail.com>y' Subject: Re: php.ini options in MOD_PHP:C Message-ID: <1107470281.971925.117010@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Disappointing response, guys. / Is anyone out there developing with PHP on VMS? . Hey! Guys at HP! Who can I talk to about this?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:43:34 -0500s+ From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net>e' Subject: Re: php.ini options in MOD_PHPtA Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050203193853.06b6ebb8@mail.patmedia.net>T  / At 05:38 PM 2/3/2005, issinoho@gmail.com wrote:y >Disappointing response, guys.0 >Is anyone out there developing with PHP on VMS?/ >Hey! Guys at HP! Who can I talk to about this?e  J The ported PHP is PHP, so you should be able to add whatever is supported # in the init file to the one on VMS.   4 I don't know why HP shipped a stripped down version.  D I'm starting to write PHP code on VMS and since I don't use the VMS D extensions, I can test it on the DS10 on my desk at work using CSWS L (Apache) and then move it to a UNIX server for more testing or send it home M to modify and run on my Win XP laptop which also runs PHP and Apache locally.n   Kenv   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:07:39 +0000e- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>e> Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM8 Message-ID: <t6t401ltclhg6ntn6qra113g2radbk7tgc@4ax.com>  F On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 11:49:57 -0600, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote:  G >I am wondering if there is a way to capture the P2 flag when executing, >SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM  L Edit it and pass as many of the Pn parameters as you need to syshutdwn.com ?I It's only a single line change and if you forget to check after your nextsL upgrade (if/when shutdown.com may change), you could have your site-specificF procedure write out something if any or all parameters are found to be missing.   --  ; I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder.     Mail john rather than nospam...n   ------------------------------   Date: 3 FEB 2005 19:14:43 GMTi+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>L> Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM1 Message-ID: <3FEB05.19144378@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>c  @ In a previous article, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote:H > I am wondering if there is a way to capture the P2 flag when executing > SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COMa >  a0 > For example, I have the following two symbols: >  lS > REBOOT == "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 REBOOT NO YES YES YES REMOVE_NODE,REBOOT_CHECK" W > SHUTDOWN == "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 STANDALONE NO YES NO NO REMOVE_NODE,REBOOT_CHECK"m >  s> > (Nothing more than the standard REBOOT and SHUTDOWN symbols) > P2 = REBOOT or STANDALONEe >    >  ,H > In SYS$SYSTEM:SYSHUTDWN.COM I log the SHUTDOWN request in a text file: >  t* > $ TYPE SYS$MANAGER:_SHUTDOWN_<node>.XXX;I > SHUTDOWN/REBOOT (SHUTDOWN) on <node> requested by <user> at <date-time>f >  l >  nO > During STARTUP if this file is detected then I can assume that the server wasPM > SHUTDOWN and did not experience a CRASH.  If the file is NOT there then thee > server CRASHed.- >  - >  -J > Therefore I can differentiate between a CRASH and a requested SHUTDOWN. N > However it would be nice to differentiate between a REBOOT and a STANDALONE. >  @O > I could change the symbols (REBOOT and SHUTDOWN) to execute a command file to. > do so but I would rather not.t  M Looking at SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM, I see that the logical name OPC$REBOOT isyI set to the value of P6 which is the answer to the question about doing annF automatic reboot.  You should be able to check the translation of thatL logical name in SYSHUTDWN.COM to see if you're doing a (standalone) shutdown or a reboot.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVgH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:53:25 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)> Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM1 Message-ID: <05020313532591@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>a   Dave Greenwood writes:O > Looking at SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM, I see that the logical name OPC$REBOOT is,K > set to the value of P6 which is the answer to the question about doing an>H > automatic reboot.  You should be able to check the translation of thatN > logical name in SYSHUTDWN.COM to see if you're doing a (standalone) shutdown > or a reboot.  O I wish it was that easy.  The OPC$REBOOT logical is defined after SYSHUTDWN.COM  is executed... :(l   John Laird wites:hN > Edit it and pass as many of the Pn parameters as you need to syshutdwn.com ?K > It's only a single line change and if you forget to check after your next N > upgrade (if/when shutdown.com may change), you could have your site-specificH > procedure write out something if any or all parameters are found to be
 > missing.  ) I was hoping to avoid changing that file.r     John "REBOOT" Brandonh VMS Systems Administrator3* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:35:03 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>> Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM* Message-ID: <4202DF57.A0848E2@comcast.net>   John Brandon wrote:r > H > I am wondering if there is a way to capture the P2 flag when executing > SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM  > 0 > For example, I have the following two symbols: > S > REBOOT == "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 REBOOT NO YES YES YES REMOVE_NODE,REBOOT_CHECK"rW > SHUTDOWN == "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 STANDALONE NO YES NO NO REMOVE_NODE,REBOOT_CHECK"o > > > (Nothing more than the standard REBOOT and SHUTDOWN symbols) > P2 = REBOOT or STANDALONE( > H > In SYS$SYSTEM:SYSHUTDWN.COM I log the SHUTDOWN request in a text file: > * > $ TYPE SYS$MANAGER:_SHUTDOWN_<node>.XXX;I > SHUTDOWN/REBOOT (SHUTDOWN) on <node> requested by <user> at <date-time>4 > O > During STARTUP if this file is detected then I can assume that the server was M > SHUTDOWN and did not experience a CRASH.  If the file is NOT there then thet > server CRASHed.r > I > Therefore I can differentiate between a CRASH and a requested SHUTDOWN.aN > However it would be nice to differentiate between a REBOOT and a STANDALONE. > O > I could change the symbols (REBOOT and SHUTDOWN) to execute a command file toi > do so but I would rather not.s >  > Any ideas?  D I'd be curious to know what you would do differently in either case.   -- n David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:a" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:49:46 GMTo* From: "Mark Pizzolato" <mark@infocomm.com>5 Subject: Re: SCSI ON A VAX 4000/500 - WHAT DO I NEED?;6 Message-ID: <ufvMd.2$DC6.0@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>  1 "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote in message r, news:PrDCd.5069$5o6.1376@news.cpqcorp.net...G > In article <E76dnckky6ap8EncRVn-ug@adelphia.com>, "John E. Malmberg"   > <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes:! > :[followups set to comp.os.vms]  > :Michael Kukat wrote:  > :>D > :> Sure, CD-ROM and TK50Z and stuff works. It's made for this and  > supported by theH > :> firmware. It even might be the firmware has no limitations in this  > place andmL > :> can boot from hard disks here. But VMS doesn't support this controller  > as aM > :> hard disk controller. Pure political stuff. It has "just" 128KB buffer, s > and isK > :> not so intelligent like MSCP adapters, that's the reason why DEC sold 2 > this justgI > :> as an interface for CD-ROMs and tapes. I didn't get any information i > about thisM > :> thing, otherwise i would have written a driver for NetBSD for it :) But H > in mytM > :> research i heard about the very bad implementation of this board. IIRC,   > it wasI > :> something with the SCSI bus itself, no so much the controller logic.t > :yH > :As the KZQSA is an "ancient" adapter, I do not know the exact reasons0 > :that support is limited to CD-ROMs and Tapes.  $ Sorry to so late on this subject....  J I once did some testing on this controller and although disks 'did' work, 2 you'd hardly ever want to use them connected here.  M The reason being the above mentioned 128K byte buffer.  This was a buffer on cM the board which appeared in Qbus memory space.  The host CPU was responsible VJ for all data transfers to/from this buffer (i.e. there was NO DMA, so the M host CPU was the DMA engine).  This was even worse than you might think (how fJ could that be) since memory acess cycles to Qbus memory were DRAMATICALLY J slower than normal memory accesses, the CPU was really sucked away.  This J probably ended up making disk data transfers significantly more expensive L than console floppy access was on an 780.  More expensive is relative since L the 780 was up to the task, but the 4000/500 was many times faster than the I 780, but it was also just "up to the task" of performing these slow data tM transfers, no CPU left for much of anything else if the application disk I/O  # load was even slightly interesting.l   - Mark Pizzolato     ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:35:11 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n> Subject: Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again...., Message-ID: <382dnaCyXqRr4Z_fRVn-sQ@igs.net>   Keith Cayemberg wrote: > John Smith wrote:r >; >> Keith Cayemberg wrote:e >>* >>> AlphaPowered - Technical Presentations >>>  >> >>L http://web.archive.org/web/20010203183000/alphapowered.com/alpha_tech_presen
 >> ts.html >>$ >>> Alpha and IA64 White Paper - PDF >>>s >> >>L http://web.archive.org/web/20010203183000/http://alphapowered.com/presentati >> ons/alpha_ia64.pdft >> >>F >> I think I will e-mail these links to the HP BoD and to all the Wall. >> Street analysts, and press contacts I know. >>, >> "Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble......." >> -- Bill Shakespeare >> >>F > If you wish to send anyone this document, I suggest you send the PDFH > file itself. Highlighting that the document is still online may resultG > in its removal from the Internet Archive, as was already the case for  > the original site.    H Don't worry about me sending the link - I'd send the full document as an attachment.n  L But I wouldn't put it past HP apologists who have seen the link published inJ this thread to run back to the HP Ministry of Propaganda and point out theC existence of the offending document elsewhere on the web. We'd theniH immediately see an article published in HP's in-house newspaper 'Pravda'C about how IA64 is superior to all non-manifesto processors (Alpha).a  D I was re-reading the .pdf and was thinking about pages 28-30 and theJ discussion of cache sizes - you could practically fit 2 Alpha cores in theH space the latest IA64 reserves for on-chip cache....well almost; and theL estimates of Alpha performance improvements, which over the life of the chip5 could have amounted to 100x improved vs. 1999 status.   H In the end, I think it was Curly looking at his annual bonus payout that! drove the decision to kill Alpha.n  F By axing the cpu, the company 'saved' whatever they wrote-off on theirI books, which in turn boosted ROE by some small fraction of 1% and allowed I Compaq to slightly smaller numbers in the expense column that year. CurlysJ probably got an extra $300,000 un-earned dollars in his bonus as a result,H and Compaq/HP turned a $4b annual business into something around the $2BL mark today, not counting all the lost revenue which would have accrued since then.   ? It'd say that was pretty good value for $300,000, wouldn't you?.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:32:05 -0500"( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>> Subject: Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again....= Message-ID: <9-6dnUL6K-obX5_fRVn-gw@metrocastcablevision.com>z   John Smith wrote:    ...m  N > But I wouldn't put it past HP apologists who have seen the link published inL > this thread to run back to the HP Ministry of Propaganda and point out the; > existence of the offending document elsewhere on the web.s  D Last I knew there were a couple of other accessible copies floating H around - one at Raytheon, for example (just checked:  it's still there).     We'd thensJ > immediately see an article published in HP's in-house newspaper 'Pravda'E > about how IA64 is superior to all non-manifesto processors (Alpha).   H Compaq's server group already took care of that, a few months after the 
 Alphacide.   > F > I was re-reading the .pdf and was thinking about pages 28-30 and theL > discussion of cache sizes - you could practically fit 2 Alpha cores in theB > space the latest IA64 reserves for on-chip cache....well almost;  E Well, 'almost' in the sense that you could actually fit considerably /G *more* than 2 Alpha cores in the same space if they were fabbed in the t@ same process:  unless Intel has significantly changed the cache F transistors since Madison I, Madison II devotes well over 300 mm^2 to E cache space (even if you ignore its L1 and L2 caches) in its 130 nm.  I process; an entire EV7 chip, not just the Alpha core, wasn't much bigger .! than that in its 180 nm. process.e   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Feb 2005 17:59:07 -0800e$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again....C Message-ID: <1107482347.026555.147220@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>2  
 AEF wrote: > John Smith wrote:p > > Keith Cayemberg wrote: [...]m >aF > I truly want VMS to succeed, and it appears that only under new mgmtC > will that happen. Whatever you all do, I do hope it's successful,s even > if it's from Bill.  4 Just to be clear, let me rephrase the last sentence:  E Whatever you all do to help VMS grow, I do hope it's successful, evene if it's something Bill does.  F p.s. If we can get Alpha development back on track, that would also be great.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:27:23 -0500k- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>-+ Subject: Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.32B Message-ID: <1107468961.1ec8d050c88ff299c706aca97b8b52d9@teranews>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:iH >   configuration will work nor that the configuration will be supportedF >   -- are based on the system data cell CLU$GB_CLUVER -- the versions9 >   must be within one for the protocol check to succeed.w  & Thank you for this clear explanation.   G As a suggestion, perhaps there should be some sysgen flag one could sett to bypass this restriction.n  H This might allow one to save the day in some situations. There are a lotD of old vaxes around that might be powered back on for a last time to save the data etc.  F I am not asking for official support of disparate clustering versions.F Just for a way to bypass the check which, by default is reasonable but% which sometimes might be restrictive.P  H This is especially true inlight of the possibility that VAX-VMS might noN longer be developped and thus its clustering version will quickly fall behind.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 03:32:20 GMT 2 From: Gib Copeland <copeland@jenni.path.uiowa.edu>+ Subject: Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3i- Message-ID: <81CMd.46960$IV5.16051@attbi_s54>    JF Mezei wrote:3 > Hoff Hoffman wrote:- > H >>  configuration will work nor that the configuration will be supportedF >>  -- are based on the system data cell CLU$GB_CLUVER -- the versions9 >>  must be within one for the protocol check to succeed.k >  > ( > Thank you for this clear explanation.  > I > As a suggestion, perhaps there should be some sysgen flag one could set  > to bypass this restriction.0 > J > This might allow one to save the day in some situations. There are a lotF > of old vaxes around that might be powered back on for a last time to > save the data etc. > H > I am not asking for official support of disparate clustering versions.H > Just for a way to bypass the check which, by default is reasonable but' > which sometimes might be restrictive.u > J > This is especially true inlight of the possibility that VAX-VMS might noP > longer be developped and thus its clustering version will quickly fall behind.   $ mcr sysgen SYSGEN> SET LUNACY 1   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Feb 2005 15:38:57 -0800y From: mpchar1@earthlink.net  Subject: Vendor support for RMS C Message-ID: <1107473937.485597.174180@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>-  D I've heard a rumor that Attunity is going to stop supporting the RMS0 database. Can anyone verify this for me? Thanks.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Feb 2005 18:53:26 -0600m- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n. Subject: Re: Vendor support for RMS (Attunity)3 Message-ID: <c9eIfeuS1yz0@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  a In article <1107473937.485597.174180@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, mpchar1@earthlink.net writes:rF > I've heard a rumor that Attunity is going to stop supporting the RMS2 > database. Can anyone verify this for me? Thanks.  H If so, that person is more likely to read the topic with the name of the vendor included in the subject.t   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.069 ************************hSupport/DocumentIndex.jsp?contentType=SupportManual&locale=en_US&docIndexId=179911&taskId=101&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=447335   G I tried to read it but got a "page not found" looking for the PDF file.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Feb 2005 17:01:28 -0800 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> , Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversionC Message-ID: <110747888600
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Bruce West wrote...

> Midwest just is looking for a piece of the styrene pie, which I think may
> be growing.  Why not do so?


Bruce, you've summed up my first impression of the product, although I
haven't purchased any of it yet.

It seems that the major model styrene producers each have a niche to make
their product stand out... Evergreen in known for their scribed strips, and
Plastruct offers unique shapes (such as pipe elbows).  I'm wondering if
Midwest will be able to offer a product to differentiate them from the
competition?

You know what I'd like to see fr