0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 05 Feb 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 71      Contents: <None>C a rack mount kit, a rack mount kit, my kingdom for a rack mount kit ! Re: Curly soon to be out of a job ! Re: Curly soon to be out of a job ' Re: DE500, Decnet, VMS 6.2 on Alpha 800 ' Re: DE500, Decnet, VMS 6.2 on Alpha 800 0 Re: DECW$SESSION Limits... won't start new tasks0 Re: DECW$SESSION Limits... won't start new tasks0 Re: DECW$SESSION Limits... won't start new tasks Re: DVE and maximum file count. FBI gets hacked - should have been on OpenVMS!2 Re: FBI gets hacked - should have been on OpenVMS!2 Re: FBI gets hacked - should have been on OpenVMS!3 FTP server logs useless name instead of IP address?  Re: Full page color HP ad for  Re: Full page color HP ad for  Re: Full page color HP ad for 2 HP helps unix and Windows - still no VMS publicity# Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion # Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion # Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion  Re: Intrusion attempts Re: Intrusion attempts Re: Intrusion attempts Re: Intrusion attempts Re: Intrusion attempts Re: Intrusion attempts Is it a terminal device ?  Re: Is it a terminal device ? : Known problems when serving Quicktime files with CSWS 1.3?> Re: Known problems when serving Quicktime files with CSWS 1.3?> Re: Known problems when serving Quicktime files with CSWS 1.3?  LASAR (test simulation software)$ Re: LASAR (test simulation software) Re: Lexical to get ACL( Re: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $2505 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM 5 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM 5 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM 5 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM 5 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM 5 Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again.... 5 Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again.... % Re: Vendor support for RMS (Attunity) % Re: Vendor support for RMS (Attunity)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2005 19:19:29 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Subject: <None> 3 Message-ID: <FBF7C6tpydfn@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <1107530263.459752.254980@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes: >  > Ed Wilts wrote: F >> With the welcome introduction of dynamic volume expansion, I expectF >> that eventually we'll find ourselves with enough disk space but notH >> enough file headers.  What are the current plans, if any, on allowingE >> customers to increase this without a volume re-init?  Is this even @ >> technically do-able?  Even an option like mounting the volume > privately A >> for a few minutes would be acceptable (like enabling DVE on an 
 > existing >> volume).  >>
 >> Thanks, >>    .../Ed >  > Anybody?  Rob? > G > I've already into a case where I can't initialize a volume to account @ > for a large number of files because the volume isn't currentlyB > physically large enough.  This defeats the purpose of DVE in the	 > future.  > 
 >   .../Ed >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:16:17 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGL Subject: a rack mount kit, a rack mount kit, my kingdom for a rack mount kit0 Message-ID: <00A3EE5D.51C45701@SendSpamHere.ORG>  A The web site is useless for ordering the rx2600 rack mount kit.   . So I call the 1-800 number.  Just as useless.   A Perhaps somebody out there has a rack mount rx2600 and would like 6 to house it in the "jersey wall".  If so, let me know.     --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2005 14:54:17 -0800 ! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com * Subject: Re: Curly soon to be out of a jobC Message-ID: <1107557657.710471.188580@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   @ I hope so I really liked him, I could send him mail and he wouldD respond, he understood and liked technology, he was a nice man.  OneD time we we were at a meeting and he looked at me and said "I owe youC something" and that was after not seeing me for 9 months I told him F what it was, he left the meeting and by the time I got home (he was onE the plane flying back to Houston) I had an answer.  He came to ZKO,he G stopped by my office,  he was in the ZKO VMS lab, the last president to = do that was Ken. So saw what you like he has his good points.    Sue    John Smith wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote: 3 > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4234027.stm  > > D > > BBC reports that the Wall Street journal reports that Qwest will make > > a bid for MCI. > > C > > Where will Curly go ?  Are there any companies left that are in  such aF > > bad shape that nobody wants to take on the job of CEO, leaving theF > > door opened for the accountant to get another job of scuttling and > > then selling the company ? >  > # > We all know what will happen.....  > D > carly(tm) will get forced out and curly will be brought back in to replace D > her. He did such a great job during the months post-merger that HP gave himF > how many millions in bonuses before he left? I'm sure they will want a man C > of his obvious expertise and keen sense of the market to take the  reins at > HP.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:02:00 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> * Subject: Re: Curly soon to be out of a job, Message-ID: <cN2dnczkqY90Y57fRVn-iQ@igs.net>   Sue,    I respect your opinion of Curly.  I At a personal level I'm pretty sure that carly isn't a bad person either. L She probably doesn't beat her dog or kick little kids. She can probably be a4 great dinner date, and maybe she's great in bed too.  H But as a CEO of a company on which tens of thousands of enterprise classH customers depend...well she's just out of her league, and dangerous too. Ditto for curly.      " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote:B > I hope so I really liked him, I could send him mail and he wouldF > respond, he understood and liked technology, he was a nice man.  OneF > time we we were at a meeting and he looked at me and said "I owe youE > something" and that was after not seeing me for 9 months I told him H > what it was, he left the meeting and by the time I got home (he was onG > the plane flying back to Houston) I had an answer.  He came to ZKO,he F > stopped by my office,  he was in the ZKO VMS lab, the last presidentB > to do that was Ken. So saw what you like he has his good points. >  > Sue  >  > John Smith wrote:  >> JF Mezei wrote:3 >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4234027.stm  >>> D >>> BBC reports that the Wall Street journal reports that Qwest will >>> make a bid for MCI.  >>> C >>> Where will Curly go ?  Are there any companies left that are in A >>> such a bad shape that nobody wants to take on the job of CEO, D >>> leaving the door opened for the accountant to get another job of, >>> scuttling and then selling the company ? >> >>$ >> We all know what will happen..... >>E >> carly(tm) will get forced out and curly will be brought back in to E >> replace her. He did such a great job during the months post-merger D >> that HP gave him how many millions in bonuses before he left? I'mG >> sure they will want a man of his obvious expertise and keen sense of & >> the market to take the reins at HP.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2005 11:09:54 -0800 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> 0 Subject: Re: DE500, Decnet, VMS 6.2 on Alpha 800C Message-ID: <1107544194.020555.249870@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   B You may want to change the auto-negotitate setting on the DE500 toD FastFD (or whatever your switch will handle).  Do a google on c.o.v.? for DE500 and auto-negotiate and you will find multiple threads D indicating that the Tulip based cards had issues with auto-negotiateF and certain switches.  Also it may cause longer boot times as the card0 is (was?) reset 3 times or so during a VMS boot.     John H. Reinhardt    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:43:28 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> 0 Subject: Re: DE500, Decnet, VMS 6.2 on Alpha 8008 Message-ID: <lsj701tvd7qt81vrmq64aa30g6q5bkco8b@4ax.com>  8 On 4 Feb 2005 11:09:54 -0800, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com"! <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote:   C >You may want to change the auto-negotitate setting on the DE500 to E >FastFD (or whatever your switch will handle).  Do a google on c.o.v. @ >for DE500 and auto-negotiate and you will find multiple threadsE >indicating that the Tulip based cards had issues with auto-negotiate G >and certain switches.  Also it may cause longer boot times as the card 1 >is (was?) reset 3 times or so during a VMS boot.   L We've an AS800 with a DE500 card (two, actually) which misbehaves very badlyG with our Dlink switch if set to auto-negotiate.  It claims to negotiate I 100Mb full-duplex, but the switch LEDs say half-duplex and performance is @ *terrible*.  When forced to FastFD, all is fine.  Running 7.3-2.   YMMV.    --  ; Who is this GENERAL FAILURE and WHY is he reading MY disk?     Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 17:21:11 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: DECW$SESSION Limits... won't start new tasks B Message-ID: <1107554986.2f29dba4281cc753e3ed0b193cb8b099@teranews>  E Thanks for the input. The sesison manager seemed to have eated up all G but about 1000 pages of its pagefile quota. What is interesting is that B it had no trouble finding memory to open new fileview windows, but wouldn't spawn subprocesses.  A I managed to quit the decw$session , and it maintained my decterm H windows, and I was able to try to restart the decw$session.exe, but thatD killed a lot (back to a fuzzy display indicating the server probably+ crashed too) and got back the login screen.   H Seems that decw$session doesn't free memory after it is no longer neededE and eventually gets to its limit.  When I got decw$session to quit, I G heard the disk work hard as it was unpaging all the data written to the H page file. But it otherwise seemed to be a clean exit. This is differentB from other reports that say it crashes when it runs out of virtualB memory. Mine didn't crash, it just didn't want to start new tasks.  C And obviously, I tried to restart decw$session in a not very normal G manner, so that fact that it failed and caused 2 decterms to go isn't a 9 surprise. At least the server and login screen came back.   E For software that has been around for so long, I am surprised that it  would still have such flaws.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:51:47 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>9 Subject: Re: DECW$SESSION Limits... won't start new tasks + Message-ID: <cu0ua3$miv$1@news01.intel.com>    JF Mezei wrote:   G > Thanks for the input. The sesison manager seemed to have eated up all I > but about 1000 pages of its pagefile quota. What is interesting is that D > it had no trouble finding memory to open new fileview windows, but > wouldn't spawn subprocesses.  6 You do remember that whenever you create a subprocess,8 certain process resources are divided between the parent7 and the subprocess, and that pgflquota is one of those?   6 This is the reason you can continue to create detached5 processes (they have a full compliment of quotas) and 6 that a parent process that attempts to create more and8 more subprocesses eventually fails due to one or another quota being exhausted.  6 I would expect, but don't know, that when a subprocess5 exits, its quotas are returned to its parent process.    [...] G > For software that has been around for so long, I am surprised that it  > would still have such flaws.  6 Its a feature.  :-)  Limit the number of subprocesses.  	      -Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:49:29 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: DECW$SESSION Limits... won't start new tasks B Message-ID: <1107574692.9acb3f3e51c8b960af6a440f4ef2f5fd@teranews>   Ken Fairfield wrote:8 > You do remember that whenever you create a subprocess,: > certain process resources are divided between the parent9 > and the subprocess, and that pgflquota is one of those?   H Thanks. I wasn't quite sute exactly what was divided and what wasn't. InF my case however, there were no subprocesses left. And DECW$SESSION was= still consuming heaps of virtual space (and page file quota).   8 > I would expect, but don't know, that when a subprocess7 > exits, its quotas are returned to its parent process.   ) Well, that is the big question isn't it.    E Starting up a fileview would show the working set increasing, but the C virtual pages (which were at nearly 70k pages) not increasing. That E would indicate that DECW$SESSION itself had reserved a whole bunch of D virtual memory, not relased it when not needed, and using it for itsG local tasks such s fileview, but because all of the quota was taken, it   was unable to span subprocesses.  D I think i have enough trust in VMS that when a subprocess exits, itsH houdl relinquyish all the resources it was taking, and the parent shouldH no longer be penalised for any abuses made but its child subprocess.  SoE if the parent was consuming lots of resources, it seems to me that it & was the parent really consuming those.  8 > Its a feature.  :-)  Limit the number of subprocesses.  L Funny how VMS isn't as fault free and bug free as we are lead to believe :-)  G Big difference is that we have tools such as SHOW SYS and SHOW PROC and E ANA/SYS whereas other OS, such as window have an all encompasing tool  such as ALT-CTRL-DEL :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2005 19:52:35 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ' Subject: Re: DVE and maximum file count 3 Message-ID: <vVxMf91lIMOG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <1107530263.459752.254980@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes: >  > Ed Wilts wrote: F >> With the welcome introduction of dynamic volume expansion, I expectF >> that eventually we'll find ourselves with enough disk space but notH >> enough file headers.  What are the current plans, if any, on allowingE >> customers to increase this without a volume re-init?  Is this even @ >> technically do-able?  Even an option like mounting the volume > privately A >> for a few minutes would be acceptable (like enabling DVE on an 
 > existing >> volume).  >>
 >> Thanks, >>    .../Ed >  > Anybody?  Rob? > G > I've already into a case where I can't initialize a volume to account @ > for a large number of files because the volume isn't currentlyB > physically large enough.  This defeats the purpose of DVE in the	 > future.  >   C 	I was a bit confused until my eye caught "currently" on a re-read. = 	At that, I may not be answering your question... but thought < 	maybe describing a typical use of DVE and going from there.  > 	I didn't read ahead to see if someone already answered it butD 	here is my take.  The Dynamic Volume Expansion is an ideal solutionC 	for a typical database environment.  The client asks for a 9 GByte F 	volume and their growth projections are 9 Gigs in 2 years so you giveA 	them a 9 GByte volume and sure enough in 6 months they need that G 	9 GByte volume to become 18 GByte.  (Note that max files or indexf.sys D 	doesn't come into play here... you have a volume with maybe 1, 2 10< 	very large files). If you started prior to 7.3-2, you will = 	*most likely* have to do something similar to this (offline  + 	conversation tells me this is the safest):     9 			1)  No app running/no streams open so you can dismount  			2)  Dismount the shadow/ 			3)  Mount 1 member private /over=(id,shadow) ' 			4)  $ SET VOLUME/LIMIT physicaldisk:  			5)  dismount, mount/cluster# 			6)  Mount physically larger disk  			7)  Shadow copy completes 			8)  Dismount smaller disk8 			9)  $ SET VOLUME/SIZE   ! You just expanded to larger6 			10)  Mount like-sized physically larger disk to get 				back to 2 member shadowset.  			   ; 	If you were fortunate enough to start fresh such that your @ 	init included /limit , then you can skip the private mount part* 	and do this without application downtime.  @ 	But you are discovering this isn't a panacea for max file limit< 	as the set volume/limit expands bitmap.sys to its max size F 	(and by the way, if your cluster size is 1 , when you do a /limit and? 	show dev/full you will notice your maximum size is 131 GBytes. C 	If your cluster size is 3, your maximum size is 300 million blocks A 	or something close to that, if your cluster size is 8 or larger  = 	the 2 billion plus block size works out to a 1 TByte disk as F 	a max size).  Indexf.sys isn't affected.  And we all know how to get @ 	out of maximum file limit situations.  I was reading about thisB 	recently and thought that John Briggs had good comments about it:   http://tinyurl.com/4tk4s   	And Alan Feldman:   http://tinyurl.com/6hkwa  A 	But wouldn't your solution be the old, backup to tape (or larger  	disk) and then:  8 		1)  Init large target with bigger max files and /limit8 			(so you could *then* go to a larger drive seemlessly)8 		2)  backup/noinit/image source:  larger_target_disk: ?  8 	Does this help?  Can you further describe your problem?   				Rob  			    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2005 15:44:21 -0800  From: bob@instantwhip.com 7 Subject: FBI gets hacked - should have been on OpenVMS! C Message-ID: <1107560661.239037.303620@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    when will they learn ...  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21102    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:22:09 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ; Subject: Re: FBI gets hacked - should have been on OpenVMS! , Message-ID: <zMednfT2yN1fgpnfRVn-iw@igs.net>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > when will they learn ...    + Apparently only when HP advertises OpenVMS.   H FBI IT execs are just like others - they read the trade rags and see theC ads, they read the WSJ and see the ads, fly commercial and read the H in-flight magazine and see the advertising in the passenger lounges, and they watch TV and see the ads.   Anything else you want to know?      > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21102    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:59:47 -0500+ From: "John S." <j.simakauskas@comcast.net> ; Subject: Re: FBI gets hacked - should have been on OpenVMS! 0 Message-ID: <edydnQLRmNAo2ZnfRVn-qw@comcast.com>  & Photos of a DEC system used by the FBI! http://www.vistadome.com/fbi.html    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:38:09 -0600 (CST)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)< Subject: FTP server logs useless name instead of IP address?2 Message-ID: <05020421380918_27001145@antinode.org>   ALP $ tcpip show version  ;   HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 4 4   on a AlphaStation 200 4/233 running OpenVMS V7.3-1  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   4-FEB-2005 21:25:58.95  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user TCPIP$FTP on ALP!         User Name:      anonymous -         Source:         exchange.gezer.com.tr 7         Status:         NOPRIV -- File access violation ?         Object:         SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ANONYMOUS.050205052955p]   $ alp $ nslookup exchange.gezer.com.tr Server:  alp-l.antinode.org  Address:  10.0.0.9  P *** alp-l.antinode.org can't find exchange.gezer.com.tr: Non-existent host/domai n       All I have found in the logs 2 (sys$sysdevice:[tcpip$ftp]tcpip$ftp_anonymous.log,H sys$sysdevice:[tcpip$ftp]tcpip$ftp_run.log) is the name from the reverseF look-up, but as the corresponding forward look-up fails, how do I know5 the actual source?  Almost anyone could _claim_ to be  "exchange.gezer.com.tr".  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2005 12:11:04 -0800 ( From: "denny" <denny_rich@ameritech.net>& Subject: Re: Full page color HP ad forC Message-ID: <1107547864.335904.312730@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   " But wait! check out the HP websiteC http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/byos/openvmsservers.html   1 Itanium and Alpha, both available with V8.2 OVMS.   D I would say this is as good an "offer(ed) for sale" as you will find	 anywhere.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:45:39 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Full page color HP ad forB Message-ID: <1107549263.ea340e6b7d39b7c5ba4e95ea8b99b029@teranews>   denny wrote: > $ > But wait! check out the HP websiteE > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/byos/openvmsservers.html   4 How did you navigate from www.hp.com to that page ?   B I tried navigating from ww.whp.com to "small and medium business".F (since VMS is only available on small IA64s right now). I did get to aF page that shows Proliant, HP9000 Integrity and Alpha Servers. And thatG is good. (the fact that mainstream users who don't specifically ask for = Alpha/VMS would get to a page that shows their availability).    From that page, I got to: D http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/index.html  G And while VMS is not mentioned, openVMS is mentioned (last) in the list < of OS on the left of the page. So that is a big improvement.    0 But clicking on the "openVMS" thing gets you to:6 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/index.html  G Which is essentially a press release of janb 18th announcement that VMS E was available on that IA64 thing. But on the left are a lot of useful D vms related links. Now, if the previouew page linked to the page youK quoted (the one with "byos" in the URL) it would have made a bigger splash.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2005 16:06:51 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) & Subject: Re: Full page color HP ad for3 Message-ID: <24fAdAJIAkE4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <1107547864.335904.312730@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "denny" <denny_rich@ameritech.net> writes:$ > But wait! check out the HP websiteE > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/byos/openvmsservers.html  > 3 > Itanium and Alpha, both available with V8.2 OVMS.  > F > I would say this is as good an "offer(ed) for sale" as you will find > anywhere.   C    This is the first time I've seen HP state out load that HP Telco     servers run VMS.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:31:00 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ; Subject: HP helps unix and Windows - still no VMS publicity , Message-ID: <VKudnQlRT6QpmJnfRVn-qw@igs.net>  3 http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1759770,00.asp    February 3, 2005  * New HP Software Boosts Business Continuity By  Brian Fonseca   B Hewlett-Packard on Tuesday announced three new additions to its HPI StorageWorks Business Continuance Software portfolio that are designed to I drastically improve replication and automatic failover capabilities of HP < StorageWorks EVA (Enterprise Virtual Array) midrange arrays.  J Available this quarter, the HP Metrocluster, HP Continentalclusters and HPE StorageWorks Cluster Extension EVA enable HP-UX and Microsoft Windows @ customers to better combat planned or unplanned system downtime.  H These applications do this by failing over the entire server cluster andL storage site beyond just a local data center, said Belinda Wilson, executiveL director of business continuity and availability for Palo Alto, Calif.-based Hewlett-Packard Co.     H Relating to HP-UX environments, Metrocluster and Contentinalclusters are4 layers of middleware that provide continuous access.  G They sit between server clustering and midrange array-based replication G capability in such a way that servers and storage can be protected with E replicated instances of data using EVA at long distances via a single  product.  C Metrocluster offers synchronous replication featuring automatic and J bidirectional failover and fail back operations. The cluster is limited toC 260 kilometers and supports up to 16 HP 9000 and Integrity servers.   L For its part, Continentalclusters provides asynchronous replication, extendsJ beyond 260 km for greater geographic stretching of data and supports up toD 32 HP 9000 and Integrity servers per Continentalclusters deployment.  E HP's new host-based application, called Cluster Extension, integrates E Continuous Access EVA remote mirroring and Microsoft Cluster Service.   J The software offers the same functionality for both local metropolitan andI wide-area failover and fail back as Metrocluster and Continentalclusters, L but is specifically designed to perform those disaster recovery tasks within Windows environments.   G "What [midrange array and SMB (small and midsize businesses) customers] J really need are other sites that can map them up almost with a duplicationJ of their facility without having to have a duplication done," Wilson said.  F "Because of [growing] database sizes, it makes sense to ether vault orL replicate your data. Before you could just reload from tape, and that's just not feasible anymore."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:38:41 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversionB Message-ID: <1107545245.fe49925d4a00543cf22d20f5ed76e63e@teranews>  / "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" wrote:  > ? > FYI I asked our source at HP and even they can't get them !!! , > That makes me more than a little concerned    G Could this be a case of employees not yet knowing all the tricks of the G SAP package and thus don't know how to get to the more obscure parts of  it ?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2005 23:53:44 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) , Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion3 Message-ID: <0G7bpPCq0ojT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <36hqf9F4vp32uU1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:> >> In article <36f8dnF4tv2bhU1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver"2 >> <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:$ >>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>>> ...B >>>> IDF but have not received a single response.  I have a lot of< >>>> Itanium here that I can't use if I can't rack mount it. >>>> ... >>> C >>> While searching for information about the RX2600 I noticed that F >>> there is a manual named hp workstations zx6000, hp server rx2600 -; >>> tower to rack and rack to tower system conversion guide  >>> (a7857-90017) on the page  >>>  > http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/DocumentIndex.jsp?contentType=SupportManual&locale=en_US&docIndexId=179911&taskId=101&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=447335  >>D >> I tried to read it but got a "page not found" looking for the PDF >> file. > ; > Must have been a temporary glitch, it just worked for me.    It still does not work for me.  ( Just as a check, the URL for the PDF is:   http://h200007.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/lpv38564/lpv38564.pdf;jsessionid=CEfy8r9zhqUE7dHv1ODnoHW6iktk3SDaR5tBg22zUdlkWTL1L5QF!1266288630    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 01:45:57 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversionB Message-ID: <1107585272.dd5953a9589974a0cfbb5beb037a14b0@teranews>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:* > Just as a check, the URL for the PDF is: >  > http://h200007.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/lpv38564/lpv38564.pdf;jsessionid=CEfy8r9zhqUE7dHv1ODnoHW6iktk3SDaR5tBg22zUdlkWTL1L5QF!1266288630   G In case your removed your killfile on me, the URL above is illegal. the E ; before "jsessionid" should be a ? to signify the end of the URL per  say and start of arguments.   % Removing all arguments seems to work:   P > http://h200007.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/lpv38564/lpv38564.pdf  D If you still killfile my posts, then you'll have to wiat for someone else to respond.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:42:58 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> Subject: Re: Intrusion attempts + Message-ID: <cu0fnk$f2q$1@news01.intel.com>    Syltrem wrote:  E > "Ken Fairfield" <my.full.name@intel.com> a crit dans le message de ' > news:ctu5pb$c4s$1@news01.intel.com...  > ? >>As John Briggs pointed out, there are security issues if that + >>information were sent in a OPCOM message.  >>> >>On the other hand, the information you seek is available viaE >>ACCOUNTING (which is where I find it), and mostly via ANALYZE/AUDIT C >>(which I haven't tried, so can't guarantee, but would expect it's 	 >>there).  >> >  >  > J > After 4 failed login attempts with 3 different usernames, and one ^Z (no > username entered): > N > In accounting I do not see the usernames used, and only one record with this
 > message:# > %LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user A > There is another entry with this message (triggered by the ^Z): 0 > %LOGIN-F-CMDINPUT, error reading command input > 8 > OTOH, the audit does not show anything for some reason0 > I have the auditing enabled for loginfailures:/ > System security audits currently enabled for:  >   Logfailure: > > batch,dialup,local,remote,network,subprocess,detached,serverC > but $  anal/aud/ev=breakin sys$manager:SECURITY.AUDIT$JOURNAL/sin  > returns nothing.  :      OK, you don't get the information on the non-existant= username supplied until the remote user gets classified as an = intruder and you've triggered breakin evasion.  Once you have < crossed that threshold, $ ANAL/AUDIT/EVENT=BREAKIN will list7 the username supplied even if it is a "no such user"...   	      -Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:05:07 -0800% From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Intrusion attempts 7 Message-ID: <3f119ada05020411051b406b4e@mail.gmail.com>   , On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:21:21 -0500, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: ! > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:   H > It is far more important to know how hackers in asia are trying to getI > in than to prevent someone in a room next to OPCOM listen to the bells.   B See my earlier post about determining where failed SSH logins comeB from- IMO, SSH failure logging is broken. There are OPCOM messagesC about connections made that I can trace, assuming that anything not C known to be a customer is an attempt to break in- but the intrusion F database logs TCPIP$SSH as the username and no source IP address- whenE they trip intruder status, then I get the IP address, but only in the / dynamic intruder database. What good is *that*?    --   Dean Woodward    =o&o  dean.woodward@gmail.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:50:31 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Intrusion attempts B Message-ID: <1107545956.ed5a34d862f70f995613a2d725a32d03@teranews>   DeanW wrote:D > See my earlier post about determining where failed SSH logins comeD > from- IMO, SSH failure logging is broken. There are OPCOM messages* > about connections made that I can trace,  F Same with the VAX version of the XDM server. You can perform a billionG login attempts from the XDM login panel with no logging or no intrusion F detection or no alarms. (as of 5.3-2). You can't take VMS security for	 granted.    F And the opcom/audit messages about originating node can't even display2 an IP address, they display a large integer value.  F Since the roadmap talks baout replacing the whole login thing with theH road runner's ACME corporation stuff, perhaps it would be time to reviewF the whole logging of attampts to provide system managers with far moreE meaningful information, and also, to provide switches/logicals to log  usernames and passwords.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:47:23 -0500* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Intrusion attemptso4 Message-ID: <0aRMd.2795$df.105309@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  F "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> a crit dans le1 message de news:36htg0F52uqiaU1@individual.net...aA > so ANA/AUD/EV=LOGFAIL is what you need rather than /EV=BREAKIN.  >WJ > On the system I just tried (VAX/VMS 7.1) LGI_BRK_LIM is 5, so my 6th tryB > showed up in the audit record as a breakin attempt with both theE > username and password showing. I do not have Auditing turned on for H > local login failures, but if I did the 1st to 5th attempts should have > shown up with no password. >g    < Yes Peter, that should have been /EVENT=LOGFAIL, not BREAKIN  J But I still don't see the attempted username until I reach breaking limit.  K My problem is that I have users who are preventing people in the whole shopnE to log in, by locking up the IP port (source) from where all users ofn  handheld devices are logging in.L I thought that if I had the username information they are using, maybe (justD maybe) I would have an idea if they do that by mistake or by intent.H Right now I unlock (delete/intrusion) the port at interval. I don't likeI that but I can't have everyone in there locked up when they change shiftsa and try to log in.   -- t Syltrema   OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---T     > -- N > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc.T > Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX. > www.weaverconsulting.caN >o >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:38:21 -0800., From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> Subject: Re: Intrusion attemptse+ Message-ID: <cu0q0d$k6g$1@news01.intel.com>d   Syltrem wrote:  H > "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> a crit dans le3 > message de news:36htg0F52uqiaU1@individual.net...  > A >>so ANA/AUD/EV=LOGFAIL is what you need rather than /EV=BREAKIN.Y [...] > > Yes Peter, that should have been /EVENT=LOGFAIL, not BREAKIN > L > But I still don't see the attempted username until I reach breaking limit. > M > My problem is that I have users who are preventing people in the whole shoprG > to log in, by locking up the IP port (source) from where all users off" > handheld devices are logging in.N > I thought that if I had the username information they are using, maybe (justF > maybe) I would have an idea if they do that by mistake or by intent.J > Right now I unlock (delete/intrusion) the port at interval. I don't likeK > that but I can't have everyone in there locked up when they change shifts  > and try to log in.  < Yes, having a common source (IP address) is very problematic: in multi-user VMS environment.  I can attest to that.  ;-(  = On the other hand, once you've reached the point of having anr> intruder, you can see the target username in the audit record.  ? Alternatively, you could schedule a job to regularly delete the-= intrusion records with that IP address as the source. <gack!>n  	      -Kene -- G6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfieldt! D1C Automation VMS System Support1" who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2005 23:57:09 -0600u- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)c Subject: Re: Intrusion attemptso3 Message-ID: <QcTkqENawBXQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <0aRMd.2795$df.105309@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:n  M > My problem is that I have users who are preventing people in the whole shopnG > to log in, by locking up the IP port (source) from where all users ofr" > handheld devices are logging in.   Have you set LGI_BRK_TERM ?V   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:43:34 -05000- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>i" Subject: Is it a terminal device ?B Message-ID: <1107552733.d0cadb2d292fe4ecccdea3514f491ad0@teranews>  A With F$MODE .eqs. "INTERACTIVE" no longer a sure bet to catch alliE "interactive" logins (telnet, set host, SSH, phantom devices etc), isi% there an item code one could do with i  G F$GETDVI(SYS$COMMAND, "xxxx") to find out if this user is on a terminalo device ?  F For instance, in SYLOGIN.COM , it would be nice to have that to decide9 whether a SET TERM/INQUIRE should be done or not etc etc.   G What is the current best method to know if a process is a terminal-likeZ input/output device ?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 17:42:25 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Is it a terminal device ?B Message-ID: <1107556262.3c1409b65b6e9af52942843b8d021b4b@teranews>   Ken Fairfield wrote:C >     Yep, use the "TRM" item, i.e., F$GetDvi("Sys$Command","TRM").aG >  From the documention, "TRM returns TRUE or FALSE to indicate whethero > the device is a terminal."  E Many thanks.  In the past half hour, I found solutions to 4 problems.g Great feeling !l   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 01:43:15 GMTaL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)C Subject: Known problems when serving Quicktime files with CSWS 1.3?a6 Message-ID: <00A3EE69.77F20170@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   CSWS 1.3 OpenVMS 7.3-2  DS20Ef  M I have a user who FTPed a QuickTime .MOV file to his VMS-based web directory. N When he tries to fetch it back through a browser, Apache sends the appropriateM mime-type and QuickTime fires up, but the file is broken.  (What he gets backeI is noticeably larger than what was on disk, and QuickTime won't play it.)n  M When he FTPs the file back to Windows disk, he can play it through QuickTime.i  M I had him FTP the file up with a name that Apache wouldn't recognize as beingeN QuickTime.  As a .TESTMOV file, no mime type was sent, but he was able to save7 the file to local disk and then play it with QuickTime.t  I My Mime.Types has qt and mov defined as application/quicktime.  I haven'to% configured anything else non-default..  L I _think_ this shows that Apache is messing up QuickTime files when it knowsN they're QuickTime files, and not otherwise.  What do I have to do to make thisI work?  Is there anyone else successfully serving QuickTime files - not as"- streaming video, but just as files - on CSWS?I   Thanks,    -- Alana   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:01:26 -0500l- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> G Subject: Re: Known problems when serving Quicktime files with CSWS 1.3?pB Message-ID: <1107575409.a4813611ff1d7e58db24d354d87c29db@teranews>  , Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:K > My Mime.Types has qt and mov defined as application/quicktime.  I haven't ' > configured anything else non-default.u  G Not sure about the proprietary version of Apache. But with the real VMSlN web server, OSU, one also defines if a certain type of file is binary,or text.  E The web server must not only supply the correct mime type in the HTTPoG response header, but also decide if it feeds the data raw , or convertseE the VMS file to cr/lf format if the content tpe of textual in nature.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 04:12:13 GMThL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)G Subject: Re: Known problems when serving Quicktime files with CSWS 1.3?t6 Message-ID: <00A3EE7E.47424B70@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  r In article <1107575409.a4813611ff1d7e58db24d354d87c29db@teranews>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:- >Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: L >> My Mime.Types has qt and mov defined as application/quicktime.  I haven't( >> configured anything else non-default. > H >Not sure about the proprietary version of Apache. But with the real VMSO >web server, OSU, one also defines if a certain type of file is binary,or text.o >gF >The web server must not only supply the correct mime type in the HTTPH >response header, but also decide if it feeds the data raw , or convertsF >the VMS file to cr/lf format if the content tpe of textual in nature.  H True.  But you don't do that in Apache, which comes from a tradition of 3 throwing whatever it finds on disk out on the wire.L   -- Alanm   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:38:13 -06003 From: "Roy Osborn" <RoyAOsborn_nospam_@hotmail.com>o) Subject: LASAR (test simulation software)e" Message-ID: <4203ee38_1@127.0.0.1>  G Was wondering if anyone has a source for LASAR test simulation softwarenJ (probably version 6.6) that runs under VMS?  Tried to contact Teradyne but" have received no response. Thanks!      O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==----sS http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----A   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:08:00 GMTo" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG- Subject: Re: LASAR (test simulation software)e0 Message-ID: <00A3EE64.8B6F5653@SendSpamHere.ORG>  X In article <4203ee38_1@127.0.0.1>, "Roy Osborn" <RoyAOsborn_nospam_@hotmail.com> writes:H >Was wondering if anyone has a source for LASAR test simulation softwareK >(probably version 6.6) that runs under VMS?  Tried to contact Teradyne bute# >have received no response. Thanks!i  . :)  Now there's an application out of my past.  G Let me know if you can't get any response from Teradyne.  I'll ask some4; of the folks I still know from the Navy's DATPG/ATE center.h -- i< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  -- l, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! i -- nK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:56:52 -0500( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com> Subject: Re: Lexical to get ACL$* Message-ID: <4203f0ac@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  = "James J. O'Shea" <seamas_ose@ameritech.net> wrote in messages: news:20050203215604.66394.qmail@web81103.mail.yahoo.com...# > In a command procedure I want to:e >l3 > 1. Save the ACLs and protection settings of file1s > 2. Delete file1h. > 3. Create file2 using the same name as file19 > 4. Apply original ACLs and protection of file1 to file2t  I Hmm, so in the end you'll just have a new, empty, file with a new file-id ' but otherwise the same as the original.tL Of, you may also have created some autit records and the file will 'move' onE the disk, and the creation date changed, but those are unlikely to bel interesting side effects.   L If the main (only?) reason to do this is to emtpy the original file then why not just do that?   5 For example with dcl:      $copy/over nl: tmp.tmp/logj; Or in a program use RMS to $OPEN (FAC=TRN), $GET, $TRUNCATEg  9 Trival for a sequential file. Tricky for an indexed file. K If this is something you need to do a lot for an indexed file, then I woulduK consider keeping an empty original file in a safe place and clone that. Forh example:   $ crea/fdl=sys$input over.orig+ file; organization indexed; key 0; seg0_l 3s $ copy over.orig over.datt1 $ set acl/acl=(ident=system,access=none) over.dat " $ convert/merge sys$input over.dat aap  noot $ type over.dat  aapp noot $ dir/secu over.* / OVER.DAT;1           [SYSTEM]   (RWED,RWED,RE,) ! (IDENTIFIER=[SYSTEM],ACCESS=NONE)l. OVER.ORIG;1         [SYSTEM]   (RWED,RWED,RE,)" $ copy/over OVER.ORIG;1 OVER.DAT;1 $ type over.date $ dir/secu over.*d0 OVER.DAT;1           [SYSTEM]    (RWED,RWED,RE,)! (IDENTIFIER=[SYSTEM],ACCESS=NONE)w/ OVER.ORIG;1         [SYSTEM]    (RWED,RWED,RE,)t  G I actually have a small program somewhere that would just blast the rmsoI prologue blocks from a template over a file for a very speedy 'reset'. Oft7 course that can only be done without concurrent access.    fwiw,  Hein.p   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:02:56 -0500? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net>r1 Subject: Re: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250 : Message-ID: <akQMd.36511$BQ2.16522@bignews6.bellsouth.net>  < Sent an email to you Chris - I need a configuration request. Then I can quote     -- e0 ________________________________________________ David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404r Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Mobile: 912 447 6622 X251w Fax: 912 201 0402n Email: dbturner@icusc.comp Web: http://www.islandco.com0 ________________________________________________= "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote in messages. news:cu018f$fdu$1$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk.../ > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:  > 1 > > We still have loads in stock in the US and UKs" > > Shipping within the USA is $35 > > Shipping within EU is $60  >t$ > Would you like to sell kit to me ?F > I've been emailing sales at hpaq dot net since before Christmas, andF > I've emailed you a couple of times too. I've got no response - don't8 > know whether you've blacklisted me or spamfiltered me. >hG > Could do with a quote for a DR box to cover my DS20E, connected to ans	 > RA3000.k >u+ > Email me please at ccagroup dot co dot uka >a	 > Thanks,a > Christ >p > > What you get:  > >n > >a/ > > Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz EV6 with 2MB Cachet! > > Dual 10/100 Ethernet On Boarde6 > > Dual IDE Controller and Floppy controller on board  > > USB (obviously not much use)& > > Dual Serial Ports (one as console) > > Parallel Porto@ > > Multivoltage power supply (100~250V 50/60Hz Worldwide power) > > 1 PCI Slot 64 Bit-$ > > Standard Keyboard PS/2 Connector! > > Standard Mouse PS/2 Connector J > > 2 Useable Memory Slots (actually has 4 slots but they are unusable due to% > > horzontal installation of memory)H > >O! > > No Memory or disk is includedu1 > > There are no built in graphics on this system  > >T4 > > Add 256MB memory for only $99  (Compaq original)3 > > Add 512MB Memory for only $179 (Island Branded)v3 > > Add 1GB Memory foro only $389  (Island Branded) + > > Add a Single Rackmount Kit for only $40m* > > Add a Quad Rackmount Kit for only  $55< > > Add an UW SCSI Controller VMS Compatible for only $50 ORF > > Add a Permedia 2 Graphics Card (same as ELSA GLoria) for only $1299 > > Add a Permedia 2 Graphics Combo U2 SCSI Card for $899l > >'
 > > Licenses:e > >h# > > OpenVMS Base NEW for DS10L $525 I > > OpenVMS Base and EIP for only $1399 (special only with these systems)s$ > > Tru64 Unix Base License for $299 > >  > >h > >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:59:40 -0800v From: Z <Z@no.spam>m> Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM* Message-ID: <pyQMd.8802$IP1.4937@fe03.lga>   John Brandon wrote: S > REBOOT == "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 REBOOT NO YES YES YES REMOVE_NODE,REBOOT_CHECK" W > SHUTDOWN == "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 STANDALONE NO YES NO NO REMOVE_NODE,REBOOT_CHECK"s > > > (Nothing more than the standard REBOOT and SHUTDOWN symbols) > P2 = REBOOT or STANDALONEc >  > H > In SYS$SYSTEM:SYSHUTDWN.COM I log the SHUTDOWN request in a text file: > * > $ TYPE SYS$MANAGER:_SHUTDOWN_<node>.XXX;I > SHUTDOWN/REBOOT (SHUTDOWN) on <node> requested by <user> at <date-time>e >  > O > During STARTUP if this file is detected then I can assume that the server wastM > SHUTDOWN and did not experience a CRASH.  If the file is NOT there then the  > server CRASHed.a   $ if p2 .eqs. "REBOOT" $ then $   write ... "REBOOT ..." $ else $   write ... "STANDALONE ..." $ endifv   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:05:56 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com> Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COMQ Message-ID: <OF9DB9E938.5BD47365-ON85256F9E.006E50D1-85256F9E.006E7969@metso.com>f  . Z <Z@no.spam> wrote on 02/04/2005 02:59:40 PM:   > John Brandon wrote:n; > > REBOOT == "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 REBOOT NO YES YES YES  > REMOVE_NODE,REBOOT_CHECK" ? > > SHUTDOWN == "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 STANDALONE NO YES NO NOk > REMOVE_NODE,REBOOT_CHECK"u > > @ > > (Nothing more than the standard REBOOT and SHUTDOWN symbols) > > P2 = REBOOT or STANDALONE  > >  > >TJ > > In SYS$SYSTEM:SYSHUTDWN.COM I log the SHUTDOWN request in a text file: > > , > > $ TYPE SYS$MANAGER:_SHUTDOWN_<node>.XXX;K > > SHUTDOWN/REBOOT (SHUTDOWN) on <node> requested by <user> at <date-time>  > >  > >dB > > During STARTUP if this file is detected then I can assume that
 theserver wasiK > > SHUTDOWN and did not experience a CRASH.  If the file is NOT there thenm thea > > server CRASHed.t >p > $ if p2 .eqs. "REBOOT" > $ then > $   write ... "REBOOT ..." > $ else  > $   write ... "STANDALONE ..."	 > $ endify  K To paraphrase H. L. Menchen:  "For every problem there is a simple solutiono that probably won't work."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 12:34:59 -0800r From: Z <Z@no.spam>u> Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM) Message-ID: <w3RMd.8816$Og2.524@fe03.lga>w   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:m >>$ if p2 .eqs. "REBOOT" >>$ then >>$   write ... "REBOOT ..." >>$ else  >>$   write ... "STANDALONE ..."	 >>$ endifn  M > To paraphrase H. L. Menchen:  "For every problem there is a simple solution  > that probably won't work."   Did I misread the orig request?t   Why won't that work?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:26:17 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com> Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COMQ Message-ID: <OF6D32ED9F.C9DE87A9-ON85256F9E.00755DE7-85256F9E.0075D47E@metso.com>-  . Z <Z@no.spam> wrote on 02/04/2005 03:34:59 PM:   > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:j > >>$ if p2 .eqs. "REBOOT"
 > >>$ then > >>$   write ... "REBOOT ..."
 > >>$ else" > >>$   write ... "STANDALONE ..." > >>$ endifl >hF > > To paraphrase H. L. Menchen:  "For every problem there is a simple solution > > that probably won't work." > ! > Did I misread the orig request?<   I'd guess, yes.u >c > Why won't that work?  H I should ask you to go back and reread the thread, but in short, he does not wantJ to edit sys$system:shutdwn.com, so ther is no place to put your code if he usesJ the symbols he has to invoke shutdown with only the documented parameters.  = How could you not realize that if the solution was as easy asm if...then...else@ he would not have needed to ask (That's a rhetorical question!)?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:08:33 -0500w' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>?> Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM, Message-ID: <420446C1.1060905@tsoft-inc.com>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote::   >  >  >  >  > 0 > Z <Z@no.spam> wrote on 02/04/2005 03:34:59 PM: >  >  >>norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:o >> >>>>$ if p2 .eqs. "REBOOT"
 >>>>$ then >>>>$   write ... "REBOOT ..."
 >>>>$ else" >>>>$   write ... "STANDALONE ..." >>>>$ endif6 >>>>E >>>To paraphrase H. L. Menchen:  "For every problem there is a simples >>>e
 > solution >  >>>that probably won't work."0 >>>3! >>Did I misread the orig request?  >> >  > I'd guess, yes.P >  >>Why won't that work? >> > J > I should ask you to go back and reread the thread, but in short, he does
 > not wantL > to edit sys$system:shutdwn.com, so ther is no place to put your code if he > usesL > the symbols he has to invoke shutdown with only the documented parameters. > ? > How could you not realize that if the solution was as easy as  > if...then...elseB > he would not have needed to ask (That's a rhetorical question!)? >  >   Q  From the earlier posts, I thought it was SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM that he didn't nC want to change.  In fact, this file should NOT be changed.  As for  Q SYS$MANAGER:SYSHUTDWN.COM, this is the site specific shutdown file, specifically c< for such modifications, and is preserved through an upgrade.  P Caviet, I haven't touched this stuff on my VMS systems for 2 years or more, and  am subject to faulty memory.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:40:09 -0500-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>S> Subject: Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again....B Message-ID: <1107545337.525d526c839ec1f91777c10468efe27e@teranews>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:. > Add one more.  I just archived it here, too.A > It's too important to risk letting it just disappear.  That hasf# > happened to way too much already.2  
 Same here.  D Says a lot about the trust people have in HP when customers feel theG need to save documents becsuse they know/fear that their vendor will dol= a 180 and deny ever saying the things they promised earlier.g   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:42:00 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> > Subject: Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again...., Message-ID: <7cednT5L5ryVTZ7fRVn-tw@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:9 > Bill Gunshannon wrote:/ >> Add one more.  I just archived it here, too.aB >> It's too important to risk letting it just disappear.  That has$ >> happened to way too much already. >i > Same here. >oF > Says a lot about the trust people have in HP when customers feel theF > need to save documents becsuse they know/fear that their vendor willB > do a 180 and deny ever saying the things they promised earlier.    K It's the same reason you memo somebody after an important conversation withtJ what whas discussed and agreed upon, ending with something along the linesG of "If you don't feel that this memo fairly and accurately reflects ourv conversation, let me know."e  G When they don't respond with anything, your memo becomes the definitivee# record of the conversation/meeting..  ' I've won a couple of lawsuits this way.c   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:46:18 GMTm# From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com>s. Subject: Re: Vendor support for RMS (Attunity)8 Message-ID: <uaRMd.1359$qB6.196@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   mpchar1@earthlink.net wrote:  > Thanks, Larry. I'll try again. >   0 No attunity is middleware and well into VMS/RMS.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:41:43 GMT-# From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com>6. Subject: Re: Vendor support for RMS (Attunity)8 Message-ID: <r_RMd.1375$qB6.483@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   Beach Runner wrote:f >  >  > mpchar1@earthlink.net wrote: > ! >> Thanks, Larry. I'll try again.1 >> > 2 > No attunity is middleware and well into VMS/RMS. Seei  \ http://star-techcentral.com/tech/story.asp?file=/2005/2/4/technology/10098957&sec=technology  + Attunity is expanding support into Itanium.t   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.071 ************************