0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 05 Feb 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 72      Contents:! Re: Curly soon to be out of a job ! Re: Curly soon to be out of a job ! Re: Curly soon to be out of a job ! Re: Curly soon to be out of a job 7 Re: FTP server logs useless name instead of IP address? 7 Re: FTP server logs useless name instead of IP address? 9 Re: How do I use terminal emulator with escape sequences?  Re: Intrusion attempts$ Need an IDE for C++ (CXX) on OpenVMS( Re: Need an IDE for C++ (CXX) on OpenVMS( Re: Need an IDE for C++ (CXX) on OpenVMS( Re: Need an IDE for C++ (CXX) on OpenVMS5 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM  Serving a different boot disk ! Re: Serving a different boot disk   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2005 06:56:11 -0800 ! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com * Subject: Re: Curly soon to be out of a jobB Message-ID: <1107615371.057785.73110@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  F John I am very sure that Carly is a very smart woman.  And to tell theD truth that is the only dealing I have had with her other than a veryF brief visit here at zko so I have no real opinion of her so I will notE give it.  Michael, I knew and did meet on several occasions enough to D form an opinion.  He also did something that I respect he told me "IG have your back on this" and really did protect me.  That is pretty rare B from his level to mine (he was a president and I am well a nobody.   Sue      John Smith wrote:  > Sue, > " > I respect your opinion of Curly. > C > At a personal level I'm pretty sure that carly isn't a bad person  either. @ > She probably doesn't beat her dog or kick little kids. She can
 probably be a 6 > great dinner date, and maybe she's great in bed too. > D > But as a CEO of a company on which tens of thousands of enterprise class E > customers depend...well she's just out of her league, and dangerous  too. > Ditto for curly. >  >  > $ > susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote:D > > I hope so I really liked him, I could send him mail and he wouldC > > respond, he understood and liked technology, he was a nice man.  One D > > time we we were at a meeting and he looked at me and said "I owe you G > > something" and that was after not seeing me for 9 months I told him G > > what it was, he left the meeting and by the time I got home (he was  onB > > the plane flying back to Houston) I had an answer.  He came to ZKO,he> > > stopped by my office,  he was in the ZKO VMS lab, the last	 president D > > to do that was Ken. So saw what you like he has his good points. > >  > > Sue  > >  > > John Smith wrote:  > >> JF Mezei wrote:5 > >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4234027.stm  > >>> F > >>> BBC reports that the Wall Street journal reports that Qwest will > >>> make a bid for MCI.  > >>> E > >>> Where will Curly go ?  Are there any companies left that are in C > >>> such a bad shape that nobody wants to take on the job of CEO, F > >>> leaving the door opened for the accountant to get another job of. > >>> scuttling and then selling the company ? > >> > >>& > >> We all know what will happen..... > >>G > >> carly(tm) will get forced out and curly will be brought back in to G > >> replace her. He did such a great job during the months post-merger F > >> that HP gave him how many millions in bonuses before he left? I'mF > >> sure they will want a man of his obvious expertise and keen sense of( > >> the market to take the reins at HP.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:51:11 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> * Subject: Re: Curly soon to be out of a job, Message-ID: <6tadnV2nw4vsdpnfRVn-2w@igs.net>   Sue,  ' I appreciate your opinion and thoughts.   J Curly was less Napoleonic in his dealings with staff than carly(tm) - it'sC actually nice to hear - but don't forget I never badmouthed the man ! personally....only his decisions.   2 As to carly(tm), never equate 'smart' with 'wise'.    G I won't ask you to answer these in a public forum but I will ask you to K consider the following questions I'm sure you have opinions on, and reflect J upon how hubris has been the downfall of man good people and corporations:  J - Do you agree with the report published by DEC/Compaq engineers about theJ relative merits of Alpha vs. IA64? (see the recently posted url from Keith C.) D - Do you believe that killing Alpha in favor of IA64 was the correctK decision for all Compaq's product lines that were slated to continue to use % Alpha or were slated to use it (NSK)? H - Do you believe that the loss of revenue and resulting profits, and theG porting costs incurred from that decision were justifiable to Compaq/HP 
 shareholders? G - Do you agree that most of the delays in advancing Alpha design were a A result of on-again/off-again funding for chip design/development? E - Do you believe that the performance of IA64 will match the expected F performance of Alpha at like points in time had Alpha development beenK continued on a properly funded timetable?, ie. IA64 without DEC/Compaq chip I people in 2007 vs. Alpha fully funded with DEC/Compaq chip people in 2007 8 (just to pick a date - choose another date if you wish).K - Do you believe that the low-volume high-cost chip called IA64 is a better J bet even if it is $100 cheaper than a low-volume high-cost Alpha given theK billions sunk into IA64 and its relative sales volume? ie. how many hundred K million Alpha's would it take at $100 more per chip to equal the money sunk L into IA64? ...the break-even point is well past the time IA64 will have beenL place out to pasture - or in short, HP will never get its share of the money sunk into it  out of IA64.H - Do you believe that the $150MM (or whatever the number is) poured intoF direct porting/testing cost of  VMS to IA64 will show a revenue/profitD return higher than if even 1/2 that amount of money was spent simply* advertising and effectively promoting VMS?K - Do you believe that had 50% of the effort that was poured into porting to L IA64 over the past 3.5 years had been *devoted* simply to new features, thatJ VMS would be better off today? Note that I'm still allowing for 50% of theK time to be used for code cleanup and making VMS more portable in the longer  term in what I mentioned.     4 Now let's get to the merger and the decisions there:H - Would it have been a better technical decision for HP to port HP-UX to! Alpha instead of porting to IA64? B - From your perspective inside an engineering organization and theI discussions about the halls, would a port of HP-UX to Alpha taken more or I less effort than to IA64? What about the relative risk to HP-UX doing the L port, ie. would porting it to Alpha run more or less technological risk thanD a port to IA64? Remember that technological risk equates directly toI business risk both for the company doing the port and to the end-users of J the port no matter which port is done (see the Tru64 TruCluster technology" transplant debacle as an example).K - Do you agree that the lack of public comment about VMS between Sept. 2001 I and May 2002 when indeed all other major products were being commented on I publicly by curly and carly(tm) introduced FUD with the customer base and 7 'froze' potential commitment to VMS by *new* customers? L - Will having so few IA64/VMS applications available, even by this time nextL year, help or hinder VMS in the marketplace? Solaris claims 12,000 apps (yesG we know that some of them are insignificant or have not been updated in 8 years), but Sun isn't ashamed in promoting its products.F - Do you think the lack of advertising & promotion of VMS will help orK hinder its chances in the marketplace? At what level are decsions like this I ultimately made - by a janitor? by people like Warren or you? or does the K decision making go higher than that, perhaps all the way to the CEO and the  BoD?4 - I won't even get into the Tru64 trust issues......    " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote:H > John I am very sure that Carly is a very smart woman.  And to tell theF > truth that is the only dealing I have had with her other than a veryH > brief visit here at zko so I have no real opinion of her so I will notG > give it.  Michael, I knew and did meet on several occasions enough to F > form an opinion.  He also did something that I respect he told me "ID > have your back on this" and really did protect me.  That is prettyA > rare from his level to mine (he was a president and I am well a 	 > nobody.  >  > Sue  >  >  > John Smith wrote:  >> Sue,  >># >> I respect your opinion of Curly.  >>D >> At a personal level I'm pretty sure that carly isn't a bad personE >> either. She probably doesn't beat her dog or kick little kids. She D >> can probably be a great dinner date, and maybe she's great in bed >> too.  >>E >> But as a CEO of a company on which tens of thousands of enterprise B >> class customers depend...well she's just out of her league, and" >> dangerous too. Ditto for curly. >> >> >>% >> susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: D >>> I hope so I really liked him, I could send him mail and he wouldG >>> respond, he understood and liked technology, he was a nice man. One H >>> time we we were at a meeting and he looked at me and said "I owe youG >>> something" and that was after not seeing me for 9 months I told him G >>> what it was, he left the meeting and by the time I got home (he was E >>> on the plane flying back to Houston) I had an answer.  He came to E >>> ZKO,he stopped by my office,  he was in the ZKO VMS lab, the last F >>> president to do that was Ken. So saw what you like he has his good >>> points.  >>>  >>> Sue  >>>  >>> John Smith wrote:  >>>> JF Mezei wrote:5 >>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4234027.stm  >>>>> F >>>>> BBC reports that the Wall Street journal reports that Qwest will >>>>> make a bid for MCI.  >>>>> E >>>>> Where will Curly go ?  Are there any companies left that are in C >>>>> such a bad shape that nobody wants to take on the job of CEO, F >>>>> leaving the door opened for the accountant to get another job of. >>>>> scuttling and then selling the company ? >>>> >>>>& >>>> We all know what will happen..... >>>>G >>>> carly(tm) will get forced out and curly will be brought back in to G >>>> replace her. He did such a great job during the months post-merger F >>>> that HP gave him how many millions in bonuses before he left? I'mF >>>> sure they will want a man of his obvious expertise and keen sense+ >>>> of the market to take the reins at HP.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2005 11:04:29 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) * Subject: Re: Curly soon to be out of a job3 Message-ID: <idpqYHf5nPGc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <6tadnV2nw4vsdpnfRVn-2w@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > Sue, > ) > I appreciate your opinion and thoughts.  > L > Curly was less Napoleonic in his dealings with staff than carly(tm) - it'sE > actually nice to hear - but don't forget I never badmouthed the man # > personally....only his decisions.  > 4 > As to carly(tm), never equate 'smart' with 'wise'. >  > I > I won't ask you to answer these in a public forum but I will ask you to M > consider the following questions I'm sure you have opinions on, and reflect L > upon how hubris has been the downfall of man good people and corporations: > L > - Do you agree with the report published by DEC/Compaq engineers about theL > relative merits of Alpha vs. IA64? (see the recently posted url from Keith > C.)   ? 	That paper has been around for quite some time.  It is a great < 	paper.  But alpha is no more and it isn't as if Itanium is  	a dog.   F > - Do you believe that killing Alpha in favor of IA64 was the correctM > decision for all Compaq's product lines that were slated to continue to use ' > Alpha or were slated to use it (NSK)?   ? 	Yes.  For the same reason when UltraSparc goes away it will be > 	quite apparent that was a good decision.  The problem as Paul> 	DeMone outlines at RWT is merchant vs. house.  Merchant will  	always win.    : 	Here Paul is tutoring Linus on the advantages of merchant 	versus house, a key segment:    http://tinyurl.com/4swmv  5 Why is IPF being a merchant so important? Easy, its a 4 more efficient business model and division of labour/ than the house RISC business model. HW OEMs get 4 out of the increasingly costly processor development4 business* and share the cost of IPF development with3 many other OEMs in the price they pay Intel for the 5 processors. In return they get a high end MPU with at 2 least as much RAS, performance, and flexibility as7 they likely could have afforded in their own design but ; still retain the opportunity to differentiate and add value 5 to their own products with their unique system design 4 expertise. Their products also present one part of a7 larger total market to ISVs than would a unqiue, vendor 
 specific ISA.   2 *Including programming tool chains and OS support.  J > - Do you believe that the loss of revenue and resulting profits, and theI > porting costs incurred from that decision were justifiable to Compaq/HP  > shareholders?   9 	Can you specify exact dollar amounts?  Can you also show C 	the win transitioning house to merchant and where on the timeline	 @ 	that becomes obvious?  For SGI, they have just about turned the> 	corner.  As Paul points out in another post, SGI is now 80/20; 	IPF/MIPS.  Perhaps with HP the crossover will occur 50/50?   I > - Do you agree that most of the delays in advancing Alpha design were a C > result of on-again/off-again funding for chip design/development?    	It is dead.  Get over it.  G > - Do you believe that the performance of IA64 will match the expected H > performance of Alpha at like points in time had Alpha development beenM > continued on a properly funded timetable?, ie. IA64 without DEC/Compaq chip K > people in 2007 vs. Alpha fully funded with DEC/Compaq chip people in 2007 : > (just to pick a date - choose another date if you wish).  > 	Small consideration.  Larger consideration for Enterprises is? 	IPF value add (see above) and increased feature set of Itanium  	(Foxton, Pellston, etc.)   M > - Do you believe that the low-volume high-cost chip called IA64 is a better L > bet even if it is $100 cheaper than a low-volume high-cost Alpha given the9 > billions sunk into IA64 and its relative sales volume?    G 	Absolutely.  Intel has FAB space.  FABs cost big money and fortunately C 	Intel cranks out millions of CPUs to offset the cost.  IBM doesn't * 	and of course loses money with IBM micro.   > ie. how many hundredM > million Alpha's would it take at $100 more per chip to equal the money sunk 
 > into IA64?    D 	This is the wrong question.  The question to ask that SKHPC answersB 	is how much was lost on each Alpha CPU manufactured?  It is quiteE 	obvious that IBM micro is losing money on every CPU they manufacture + 	as IBM micro consistently turns in a loss.   A ...the break-even point is well past the time IA64 will have been N > place out to pasture - or in short, HP will never get its share of the money > sunk into it  out of IA64.  ? 	Not so.  Paul points out that IPF profitability is closer than @ 	you think.  As HP transitions to merchant, margins increase as ? 	development (see above) shrinks.  Why not journey over here:   , 	www.realworldtech.com and get an education?  J > - Do you believe that the $150MM (or whatever the number is) poured intoH > direct porting/testing cost of  VMS to IA64 will show a revenue/profitF > return higher than if even 1/2 that amount of money was spent simply, > advertising and effectively promoting VMS?  + 	Where do you get that number?  Think about E 	the *few* sections that required major rework Alpha->IPF.  Certainly ( 	not a dollar amount you are suggesting.  6 > Now let's get to the merger and the decisions there:J > - Would it have been a better technical decision for HP to port HP-UX to# > Alpha instead of porting to IA64?   5 	No.  Because it would never be merchant.  See above.   M > - Do you agree that the lack of public comment about VMS between Sept. 2001 K > and May 2002 when indeed all other major products were being commented on K > publicly by curly and carly(tm) introduced FUD with the customer base and 9 > 'froze' potential commitment to VMS by *new* customers?   F 	Who knows.  But Mark reports a reasonable percentage of new customers 	- 15%.   N > - Will having so few IA64/VMS applications available, even by this time next/ > year, help or hinder VMS in the marketplace?    ? 	If you think about it, a handful of applications/databases are @ 	the vast majority of VMS revenue.  Niches that no doubt are theC 	fastest growing in revenue , cellphone billing and text messaging, > 	rely on a handful of applications.  Don't try to stuff VMS in2 	a general purpose category, the 80s are over, ok?  ! > Solaris claims 12,000 apps (yes I > we know that some of them are insignificant or have not been updated in : > years), but Sun isn't ashamed in promoting its products.  > 	They have no choice.  They are a one trick pony.  IBM doesn't! 	do much OS/400 promotion either.   H > - Do you think the lack of advertising & promotion of VMS will help or) > hinder its chances in the marketplace?    D 	The verticals it is in it either dominates or makes the most sense.7 	Surely promotion would help.  The question is akin to:   8 		"That cut you just got there on your arm, do you think: 		washing it will help prevent infection or encourage it?"    F         Strawman.  In fact most of what you write above is straw.  But         what's new?    				Rob     M He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by O whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine O attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do K we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily O pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the L bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, andL until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawnN with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said? "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."       				Abraham Lincoln  				Second Inaugural Address 				Saturday, March 4, 1865    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:25:44 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>* Subject: Re: Curly soon to be out of a job2 Message-ID: <Ic8Nd.7271$%j7.1206@news.cpqcorp.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:cN2dnczkqY90Y57fRVn-iQ@igs.net... > Sue, > " > I respect your opinion of Curly. > K > At a personal level I'm pretty sure that carly isn't a bad person either. L > She probably doesn't beat her dog or kick little kids. She can probably be a 6 > great dinner date, and maybe she's great in bed too. >   8 Am I the only one who is just outright offended by this?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 05:37:05 -0800  From: JBloggs@acme.com@ Subject: Re: FTP server logs useless name instead of IP address?8 Message-ID: <7ii9015nqerkbe6r8l5b4i5k7l97vp88hs@4ax.com>  ) On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:38:09 -0600 (CST),  * sms@antinode.org (Steven M.Schweda) wrote:   try:  B $ DEF/SYS/EXEC/NOLOG TCPIP$FTP_SERVER_LOG_CLIENT_BY_ADDRESS TRUE    ? (perhaps also google on TCPIP$FTP_SERVER_LOG_CLIENT_BY_ADDRESS)    in a similar vein, see also:    1 $ TCPIP SET SERVICE NTP     /LOG_OPTIONS=ADDRESS  1 $ TCPIP SET SERVICE SMTP    /LOG_OPTIONS=ADDRESS  1 $ TCPIP SET SERVICE SNMP    /LOG_OPTIONS=ADDRESS  1 $ TCPIP SET SERVICE TELNET  /LOG_OPTIONS=ADDRESS     ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:09:22 -0600 (CST)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)@ Subject: Re: FTP server logs useless name instead of IP address?2 Message-ID: <05020509092200_27001146@antinode.org>   From: JBloggs@acme.com  D > $ DEF/SYS/EXEC/NOLOG TCPIP$FTP_SERVER_LOG_CLIENT_BY_ADDRESS TRUE    *    That looks like what I wanted.  Thanks.  3 > $ TCPIP SET SERVICE NTP     /LOG_OPTIONS=ADDRESS  3 > $ TCPIP SET SERVICE SMTP    /LOG_OPTIONS=ADDRESS  3 > $ TCPIP SET SERVICE SNMP    /LOG_OPTIONS=ADDRESS  3 > $ TCPIP SET SERVICE TELNET  /LOG_OPTIONS=ADDRESS    F    I haven't noticed a similar problem elsewhere, but I'll try to keep these in mind, just in case.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:37:29 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com B Subject: Re: How do I use terminal emulator with escape sequences?- Message-ID: <87is579o8m.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   + "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:   ? > "Keith Cayemberg" <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> wrote in message > > news:42014462$0$18568$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net...# >> john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com wrote:   E > Unless I've missed it, I haven't seen anyone describe direct cursor > > addressing. I've got an alarm delivery application that usesE > SYS$BRKTHRU to put messages on line 24 of selected terminals and it  > works like this.  K Why not use the terminal driver to do the work? It has terminal independant  addressing built in.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:03:44 -00006 From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk> Subject: Re: Intrusion attempts 5 Message-ID: <4204a81c$0$4085$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>   9 "Ken Fairfield" <my.full.name@intel.com> wrote in message % news:cu0q0d$k6g$1@news01.intel.com...  > Syltrem wrote: > J > > "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> a crit dans le5 > > message de news:36htg0F52uqiaU1@individual.net...  > > J > > My problem is that I have users who are preventing people in the whole shopI > > to log in, by locking up the IP port (source) from where all users of $ > > handheld devices are logging in. <SNIP>L > > Right now I unlock (delete/intrusion) the port at interval. I don't likeF > > that but I can't have everyone in there locked up when they change shifts > > and try to log in. > > > Yes, having a common source (IP address) is very problematic< > in multi-user VMS environment.  I can attest to that.  ;-( >   I I had a similar problem with users logging in via TCP/IP from DECServers.   F Engineering have solved that for us though by adding a new logical, to? TCP/IP Services. Now that problem has totally gone away for our  manifestation of it.  L Now a user on a specific port can only lock that port, rather than the whole
 DECServer.  L It came in 5.4 ECO 4 (or ECO3 if you got that), I also have an single images  that work as an add on to ECO 2.  # See below from the release notes...   & ECO X	25-Jun-2004	Alpha, IA64, and VAX  	 	Problem:   A 	The existing TCPIP$TELNET_NO_REM_ID logical name did not provide B 	sufficient flexibility in controlling the generation of intrusionA 	and audit records to meet all customer requirements.  Therefore, C 	it was necessary to add a new switch: TCPIP$TELNET_TRUST_LOCATION.    	Deliverables:   	TCPIP$INETACP.EXE			V5.4-15X " 	TCPIP$INETACP_PERF.EXE			V5.4-15X 	TCPIP$TNDRIVER.EXE			V5.4-15F# 	TCPIP$TNDRIVER_PERF.EXE			V5.4-15F    	Reference:   ? 	PTR 70-5-2428 / CFS.104614 / Req Id: GB_G08796 / UCX Note None  	TCPIP_BUGS Note 3132      Hope that helps you too.   Alex   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:22:12 -0500) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> - Subject: Need an IDE for C++ (CXX) on OpenVMS ; Message-ID: <ph7Nd.24284$Ck1.2025464@news20.bellglobal.com>   J Our team is "considering" a shift from HP-BASIC to HP-C++ on OpenVMS. Can M anyone recommend an IDE (Interactive/Integrated Development Environment) for   use with HP-C on OpenVMS?   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:11:32 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>1 Subject: Re: Need an IDE for C++ (CXX) on OpenVMS D Message-ID: <craigberry-DDF6BB.12113105022005@news.isp.giganews.com>  ; In article <ph7Nd.24284$Ck1.2025464@news20.bellglobal.com>, +  "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote:   L > Our team is "considering" a shift from HP-BASIC to HP-C++ on OpenVMS. Can O > anyone recommend an IDE (Interactive/Integrated Development Environment) for   > use with HP-C on OpenVMS?    Have you tried NetBeans?  See:  8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/  ! They do have a plug-in for C/C++.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:29:31 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> 1 Subject: Re: Need an IDE for C++ (CXX) on OpenVMS 8 Message-ID: <ei2a01luiifgei0v9mgtm1llgfqrtdudu4@4ax.com>  M On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:22:12 -0500, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote:   K >Our team is "considering" a shift from HP-BASIC to HP-C++ on OpenVMS. Can  N >anyone recommend an IDE (Interactive/Integrated Development Environment) for  >use with HP-C on OpenVMS?  P Take a look at NetBeans http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/N It started life as a pure Java IDE but the OpenVMS NetBeans team have producedM plug ins or extensions for C++, FORTRAN, CMS & even EDT. Distributed NetBeans I allows you to provide low cost Linux or Windows clients running the IDE & % develop code on the OpenVMS back end.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:24:51 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 1 Subject: Re: Need an IDE for C++ (CXX) on OpenVMS ( Message-ID: <opslqlfpmvzgicya@hyrrokkin>  K On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:22:12 -0500, Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote:   K > Our team is "considering" a shift from HP-BASIC to HP-C++ on OpenVMS. Can L > anyone recommend an IDE (Interactive/Integrated Development Environment)   > for  > use with HP-C on OpenVMS?  >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.# > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/  >  >    Why?   --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:26:36 -0800  From: Z <Z@no.spam> > Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM* Message-ID: <%o7Nd.9383$ev3.4963@fe03.lga>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: ! >>Did I misread the orig request?  > I'd guess, yes.  >  >>Why won't that work? >  > E > I should ask you to go back and reread the thread, but in short, he F > does not want to edit sys$system:shutdwn.com, so ther is no place toE > put your code if he uses the symbols he has to invoke shutdown with ! > only the documented parameters.   H I must be missing a post or two because I see no such prior stipulation " in any post in this thread. Sorry.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:03:30 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>& Subject: Serving a different boot disk- Message-ID: <4204A802.4376.D5DC9DE@localhost>   E I have a VAX running VMS V5.5.  I have a second system disk that I'd  D like to "serve" to another VAX so it can network boot.  But I don't ( want it to cluster with the boot server.  A I can do this with LANCP in VMS 6.x with DECnet-Plus (pardon the   wrap):   $ MCR LANCP 8 set node X /addr=08-00-02-xx-xx-xx /file=niscs_load.exe  /root=DISK2:[SYS0.]   D However, I can't seem to find the corresponding incantation for VMS  5.5 with DECnet (IV, non-Plus).   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:36:25 +0100, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>* Subject: Re: Serving a different boot disk, Message-ID: <36kek9F526ksbU1@individual.net>  ? "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> schreef in bericht ' news:4204A802.4376.D5DC9DE@localhost... F > I have a VAX running VMS V5.5.  I have a second system disk that I'dE > like to "serve" to another VAX so it can network boot.  But I don't * > want it to cluster with the boot server. > B > I can do this with LANCP in VMS 6.x with DECnet-Plus (pardon the > wrap): > 
 > $ MCR LANCP 9 > set node X /addr=08-00-02-xx-xx-xx /file=niscs_load.exe  > /root=DISK2:[SYS0.]  > E > However, I can't seem to find the corresponding incantation for VMS ! > 5.5 with DECnet (IV, non-Plus).  >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc.  : I can't even remember whether there was LANCP in V5.5 ....B However NCP  has similar capabilities, for a VXT1200 the entry is:  
 $ mc ncp -J  set node indium service circuit ewa0 hardware address 08-00-2b-xx-xx-xx -  load file VXT$LIBRARY:VXT.SYS  H Can't remember the proper incantations for a VAX but this should get you going.9 IIRC a VAX also nees a secondary loader (VMB.EXE), right?    Hans   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.072 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ǵ 20޷  NASA
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