0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 07 Feb 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 76      Contents: BACKUP/IMAGE questions Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questions Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questions Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questions! Re: Curly soon to be out of a job 0 Re: DECW$SESSION Limits... won't start new tasks Re: DVE and maximum file count# Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion  Re: Intrusion attempts Re: Lexical to get ACL Re: PDF-Konverter?, Setup of LN05 Laser on VMS v5.1 without DCPS Re: Suggestion for VAX VMS 8.2  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2005 05:00:28 -0800  From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com  Subject: BACKUP/IMAGE questions B Message-ID: <1107781228.898368.45180@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  . I am replacing disks on a system with a broken tape drive.   . The new disk is twice the capacity of the old. 1 gig to 2 gig, I think.  , Is there any problem with using BACKUP/IMAGE* for a disk to disk copy in this situation?   Should I use /NOALIAS?  - There is something in HELP BACKUP/IMAGE about , preservation of the cluster factor.  Is that' a problem in this situation, going to a  larger disk.  * Can I copy from the live system disk using) BACKUP/IMAGE?  If not, I can boot off the  CD.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2005 06:31:11 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questions C Message-ID: <1107786671.568715.227440@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote:0 > I am replacing disks on a system with a broken
 > tape drive.  > 0 > The new disk is twice the capacity of the old. > 1 gig to 2 gig, I think. > . > Is there any problem with using BACKUP/IMAGE, > for a disk to disk copy in this situation?   I can't think of any.    > Should I use /NOALIAS?    Yes (during the save operation).  / > There is something in HELP BACKUP/IMAGE about . > preservation of the cluster factor.  Is that) > a problem in this situation, going to a  > larger disk.  G I don't know. What does it say? (My HELP has no such "something".) What B version of VMS are you running? If you desire a particular clusterE factor, initialize the target disk accordingly and add /NOINIT to the E BACKUP restore command. You may also want to add /TRUNCATE if the new 6 cluster factor is not an integral multiple of the old.  , > Can I copy from the live system disk using+ > BACKUP/IMAGE?  If not, I can boot off the  > CD.   D Yes, but you might get inconsistenties. It's better to do standaloneH backup if you can. I'm not sure of the requirements for booting from CD.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:04:58 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> # Subject: Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questions ; Message-ID: <usLNd.14656$qB6.11032@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   = You might want to pre-init the drive with a larger indexf.sys G and then do an image restore/noinit.   It's a good idea to pre-allocate G additional size for indexf.sys, especially if you're going to a bigger   drive.   Call Colorado for details.    
 AEF wrote:   > tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: > 0 >>I am replacing disks on a system with a broken
 >>tape drive.  >>0 >>The new disk is twice the capacity of the old. >>1 gig to 2 gig, I think. >>. >>Is there any problem with using BACKUP/IMAGE, >>for a disk to disk copy in this situation? >  >  > I can't think of any.  >  >  >>Should I use /NOALIAS? >  > " > Yes (during the save operation). >  > / >>There is something in HELP BACKUP/IMAGE about . >>preservation of the cluster factor.  Is that) >>a problem in this situation, going to a  >>larger disk. >  > I > I don't know. What does it say? (My HELP has no such "something".) What D > version of VMS are you running? If you desire a particular clusterG > factor, initialize the target disk accordingly and add /NOINIT to the G > BACKUP restore command. You may also want to add /TRUNCATE if the new 8 > cluster factor is not an integral multiple of the old. >  > , >>Can I copy from the live system disk using+ >>BACKUP/IMAGE?  If not, I can boot off the  >>CD.  >  > F > Yes, but you might get inconsistenties. It's better to do standaloneJ > backup if you can. I'm not sure of the requirements for booting from CD. >    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2005 10:35:56 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questions C Message-ID: <1107801356.961352.168110@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   
 AEF wrote: > tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: [...] . > > Can I copy from the live system disk using- > > BACKUP/IMAGE?  If not, I can boot off the  > > CD.  > F > Yes, but you might get inconsistenties. It's better to do standaloneF > backup if you can. I'm not sure of the requirements for booting from CD.   ; Oops! If you back up a live system disk, be sure to include G /IGNORE=INTERLOCK so that any files that are open for write are copied. @ (If you don't include this qualifier, BACKUP will not save these> files.) You will get warnings about these files that look like  E %BACKUP-W-ACCONFLICT, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0.SYSMGR]OPERATOR.LOG;1011 is  open for write by another user  D Such files may not be copied correctly, but it is unlikely that yourG backup will not be bootable. The best, of course, is to do a standalone / backup or to back up while running from the CD.   ; You will also get messages about data not being copied from E PAGEFILE.SYS, SWAPFILE.SYS, and SYSDUMP.DMP. That is okay. Their file F headers are copied and they will be re-created during the restore. AndD if you had a system crash and you did not already extract crash infoF from SYSDUMP.DMP, you will, of course, lose that info. But your systemF will still work fine. No data in the other two files needs to be saved
 across boots.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:16:43 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> * Subject: Re: Curly soon to be out of a job, Message-ID: <eYKdnUuYaI3CG5rfRVn-gg@igs.net>   Rob Young wrote:; > In article <6tadnV2nw4vsdpnfRVn-2w@igs.net>, "John Smith"  > <a@nonymous.com> writes: >> Sue,  >>* >> I appreciate your opinion and thoughts. >>F >> Curly was less Napoleonic in his dealings with staff than carly(tm)E >> - it's actually nice to hear - but don't forget I never badmouthed , >> the man personally....only his decisions. >>5 >> As to carly(tm), never equate 'smart' with 'wise'.  >> >>G >> I won't ask you to answer these in a public forum but I will ask you E >> to consider the following questions I'm sure you have opinions on, G >> and reflect upon how hubris has been the downfall of man good people  >> and corporations: >>C >> - Do you agree with the report published by DEC/Compaq engineers A >> about the relative merits of Alpha vs. IA64? (see the recently  >> posted url from Keith C.) > @ > That paper has been around for quite some time.  It is a great< > paper.  But alpha is no more and it isn't as if Itanium is > a dog. > G >> - Do you believe that killing Alpha in favor of IA64 was the correct G >> decision for all Compaq's product lines that were slated to continue / >> to use Alpha or were slated to use it (NSK)?  > @ > Yes.  For the same reason when UltraSparc goes away it will be? > quite apparent that was a good decision.  The problem as Paul > > DeMone outlines at RWT is merchant vs. house.  Merchant will
 > always win.  > ; > Here Paul is tutoring Linus on the advantages of merchant  > versus house, a key segment: >  > http://tinyurl.com/4swmv > 7 > Why is IPF being a merchant so important? Easy, its a 6 > more efficient business model and division of labour1 > than the house RISC business model. HW OEMs get 6 > out of the increasingly costly processor development6 > business* and share the cost of IPF development with5 > many other OEMs in the price they pay Intel for the 7 > processors. In return they get a high end MPU with at 4 > least as much RAS, performance, and flexibility as9 > they likely could have afforded in their own design but = > still retain the opportunity to differentiate and add value 7 > to their own products with their unique system design 6 > expertise. Their products also present one part of a9 > larger total market to ISVs than would a unqiue, vendor  > specific ISA.  > 4 > *Including programming tool chains and OS support. > G >> - Do you believe that the loss of revenue and resulting profits, and D >> the porting costs incurred from that decision were justifiable to >> Compaq/HP shareholders? > : > Can you specify exact dollar amounts?  Can you also showC > the win transitioning house to merchant and where on the timeline A > that becomes obvious?  For SGI, they have just about turned the ? > corner.  As Paul points out in another post, SGI is now 80/20 < > IPF/MIPS.  Perhaps with HP the crossover will occur 50/50? > C >> - Do you agree that most of the delays in advancing Alpha design 7 >> were a result of on-again/off-again funding for chip  >> design/development? >  > It is dead.  Get over it.  > H >> - Do you believe that the performance of IA64 will match the expectedD >> performance of Alpha at like points in time had Alpha developmentC >> been continued on a properly funded timetable?, ie. IA64 without = >> DEC/Compaq chip people in 2007 vs. Alpha fully funded with G >> DEC/Compaq chip people in 2007 (just to pick a date - choose another  >> date if you wish).  > ? > Small consideration.  Larger consideration for Enterprises is @ > IPF value add (see above) and increased feature set of Itanium > (Foxton, Pellston, etc.) > G >> - Do you believe that the low-volume high-cost chip called IA64 is a D >> better bet even if it is $100 cheaper than a low-volume high-costA >> Alpha given the billions sunk into IA64 and its relative sales 
 >> volume? > H > Absolutely.  Intel has FAB space.  FABs cost big money and fortunatelyD > Intel cranks out millions of CPUs to offset the cost.  IBM doesn't+ > and of course loses money with IBM micro.     E How much money do you think IBM will lose when they start pumping out G millions of these puppies, based on Power 5 - vs. Intel's 100,000 or so # (give or take a few dozen) IA64-'s?   H IBM already owns the high-end cpu market (what we used to call the AlphaL market space), both on volume of cpu's produced (however used) and on almostJ any given day based on performance too. Add to this the additional revenueG that a 'Cell' cpu brings back into the Power family for further R&D and K manufacturing economies, and you have the basis for continued leadership in G a chip architecture that will power (no pun intended) the server space. K Itanic just doesn't have the traction in the market - and as you're so fond E of saying  (and I paraphrase) - niche cpu's just don't survive. Adios  Itanic.   L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1208&e=2&u=/nm/20050207/tc_ nm/tech_cell_dc&sid=95573652    . Sony's 'Supercomputer on a Chip' to Make Debut By Daniel Sorid   J SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The highly anticipated microchip that will powerL the Sony PlayStation 3 video game system will be described in detail for theI first time on Monday by its developers, IBM, Sony Corp. and Toshiba Corp.   I Dubbed a "supercomputer on a chip," the Cell microprocessor has until now G been long on ambition but short on specifics. At a technical conference F here, the three electronics giants say they plan to disclose the innerI workings of the chip, which is designed to run portable electronics, home - entertainment devices and powerful computers.   H Aimed squarely at the "digital home" market highly sought-after by IntelG Corp., the Cell initiative, which has been in development for more than K three years, is viewed by some as a formidable, if fledgling, competitor to  the world's largest chip maker.   G The Cell chip will appear in the PlayStation 3, the follow-on to Sony's H successful video game console that is expected to be released next year.L Cell will likely also be marketed as an ideal technology for televisions andL supercomputers, and everything in between, said Kevin Krewell, the editor in chief of Microprocessor Report.   I Cell "promises to be a very exciting challenge to mainstream processors," L Krewell wrote in a recent issue, naming it the best chip technology of 2004,I remarkable if only for the fact that no one has actually seen the chip in  action.   J According to released details, Cell is based on the core of IBM's existingI Power processor line, which is used in desktop PCs made by Apple Computer J Inc.. Cell contains multiple cores, allowing it to perform like many chips in one.   B It is capable of "massive floating point processing, optimized forL compute-intensive workloads and broadband rich media applications, includingC computer entertainment, movies and other forms of digital content," 5 according to an earlier statement from the companies.   B Sony and IBM have called Cell a strong technology for high-poweredK workstations and supercomputers, with multiple Cell chips able to work as a  cluster.  > "The supercomputer-like processing and performance of the CellK processor-based workstation is just the beginning of what we expect will be K a wide range of powerful next-generation solutions resulting from our joint D development efforts," Colin Parris, an IBM vice president, said in a November statement.   K If history is any lesson, Cell is by no means guaranteed to encroach on the D most successful microprocessor technology to date, the so-called x86K architecture that is the mainstay of the PC world and the profit center for + both Intel and Advanced Micro Devices Inc..   K Intel itself once aimed at pushing the x86 technology to the margins with a G chip called Itanium it developed at great cost with Hewlett-Packard Co.   J After a cool market reception, the Itanium project drifted away from thoseC grand expectations. Today, Itanium remains a niche product marketed J primarily at the relatively limited segment of supercomputers and high-end servers.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2005 01:59:27 -0800  From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk 9 Subject: Re: DECW$SESSION Limits... won't start new tasks C Message-ID: <1107770367.418560.269940@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   C I believe that, in general, memory allocated by LIB$MALLOC and then G freed is still retained as pages in a process's page tables. Therefore, F the page file quota used is likely to be the peak usage by the process# and does not reflect current usage.   C Note that if the work in progress window is showing completed tasks C then the session manager will be holding memory for the output from  those tasks.  E However, I am unclear of the sequence that leads to your problem. You A create a sub-process, the sub-process ends, then you can't create F another sub-process? Between the end and next start do you do anything else in the session manager?   Martin Kirby   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2005 07:13:47 -0800 $ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org>' Subject: Re: DVE and maximum file count C Message-ID: <1107789227.568952.100910@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   D The files are typically nice and small - many of them are 1-4 blocks; with an average size of about 20 on one of my bigger disks.   E I've been aware of Glen's pseudo-disk hacks for many years (it's been B what, at least 10 years since it first came out?) but that kind ofB driver hack isn't going to land on our production servers here (no! offense to Glen is to be taken!).    Cheers, 	    .../Ed    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:19:12 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>, Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion2 Message-ID: <QFLNd.7292$WP6.4366@news.cpqcorp.net>  L Go to hp.com and click on servers.  Then type in A6939A in the "search" box.L Then click on the product overview.  It shows that the part is $75 and ships in2 2-3 weeks (it gave me a ship estimate of 2/28/05).      : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message< news:1107545245.fe49925d4a00543cf22d20f5ed76e63e@teranews...1 > "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" wrote:  > > A > > FYI I asked our source at HP and even they can't get them !!! . > > That makes me more than a little concerned >  > I > Could this be a case of employees not yet knowing all the tricks of the I > SAP package and thus don't know how to get to the more obscure parts of  > it ?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:19:52 -0500* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Intrusion attempts 4 Message-ID: <lHLNd.2813$df.106393@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  D "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> a crit dans le message de- news:QcTkqENawBXQ@eisner.encompasserve.org... @ > In article <0aRMd.2795$df.105309@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem"" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes: > J > > My problem is that I have users who are preventing people in the whole shopI > > to log in, by locking up the IP port (source) from where all users of $ > > handheld devices are logging in. >  > Have you set LGI_BRK_TERM ?    It is currently set to FALSE  L I had other failed logins this weekend (and the intrusions record are always2 cleared automatically via a detached process btw).$ An anal/aud/ev=logfail reveals this:; Terminal name:            VTA3658, _NTY4628, [165.110.40.1]   8 --> [165.110.40.1] is the port I`m having problems with.L I see a lot of "timeout" and some "bad password" and for the latter I have a" username. I`ll check with the guy.  H Is there any way to make a selection only for the address [165.110.40.1]% when using the ANALYZE/AUDIT command? J Now I use /since and /before around the time intrusion record were deleted& by the procedure, but it is not exact.8 Examples of the variations of the Terminal name string :2 Terminal name:            _VTA3660, [166.110.40.1]; Terminal name:            VTA3662, _NTY4632, [166.110.40.1] ; Terminal name:            VTA1471, _NTY1613, [166.110.40.1] 2 Terminal name:            _VTA3664, [166.110.40.1]    E Possibly this could be done using the /SELECT qualifier, possibly the D /SELECT=DEVICE_NAME, but how can I identify the device when only theI [165.110.40.1] part does not change every time (the rest of the string in L the ANAL/AUD output is variable, only the address is the same consistently).@ I'd like to be able to select the instrusions on this port only.   Thanks   --   Syltrem    OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:22:14 -0500* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Lexical to get ACL 4 Message-ID: <lHLNd.2814$df.106393@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  * "Z" <Z@no.spam> a crit dans le message de% news:SvANd.10603$xT6.7598@fe03.lga...  > David J Dachtera wrote: 6 > >>:1. Save the ACLs and protection settings of file1 > >>:2. Delete file11 > >>:3. Create file2 using the same name as file1 6 > >>:4. Apply original ACLs and protection of file1 to
 > >>:file2 > >> > >>  CREATE file2( > >>  SET SECURITY/LIKE=NAME=file1 file2 > >>  DELETE file1 > H > > That would be one approach, yes, assuming there's room on the target> > > volume for both "versions" of the file. If not, one could: >  > <confused> ? > 7 > Wouldn't the  $CREATE file2  create a 0-block file2 ?   C Yes - and that`s the way I would do such a thing to preserve ACL`s.    --   Syltrem    OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:40:28 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> Subject: Re: PDF-Konverter? B Message-ID: <42076fcd$0$18556$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>  ) Ich habe noch ein paar Lsungen in meine  * Dateikonvertierungssoftwareliste gefunden.  7 OctoPDF Converting Text to PDF (text to pdf conversion) & http://www.jbmsystems.com/octopcl.html  ; OctoPCL Converting PCL Text to PDF (text to pdf conversion) & http://www.jbmsystems.com/octopdf.html   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    >  > Hallo Ferry, > E > ich habe die folgende PDF-Generierungssoftware fr OpenVMS bei mir   > aufgelistet... >  > $ > *PDF Generation Tools for OpenVMS* >  > PDFlib on VMS  - Neu! ) > http://www.pdflib.com/products/vms.html ; > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=05/01/18/9320162  >  > Sanface - txt2pdf on OpenVMS% > http://www.sanface.com/openvms.html % > http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html 1 > Sanface - txt2pdf PRO: to convert text into pdf ( > http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdfPRO.html > 1 > Ghostscript - PostScript/PDF reader/transformer   > http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/B > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/ghostscript-v0811/A > http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/software2.html#GhostScript F > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/b65b22b2313dd23b) > http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/pcsi_kits/ $ > http://decwarch.free.fr/pspdf.html/ > http://wwwthep.physik.uni-mainz.de/~plass/gv/  > 4 > Crionics Inc. - jPDF Family of 100% Java PDF Tools/ > http://www.crionics.com/products/products.jsp  >  > Datalogics - DL Pager & > http://www.datalogics.com/pager.asp L > http://www.cs.joensuu.fi/pages/penttonen/dokuproj/systems1.html#DLComposer > E > Noch ein mglichkeit wre die verschiedene Perl Moduln fr der PDF  $ > Dateiformat (siehe www.cspan.org). > 	 > Cheers!  >  > Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2005 00:58:17 -0800 ( From: "Nessie" <i_jones1960@yahoo.co.uk>5 Subject: Setup of LN05 Laser on VMS v5.1 without DCPS B Message-ID: <1107766697.243013.56420@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  A We are trying to install a LN05 (Declaser LA2100) printer with no 6 manual supplied, to replace a printronix line printer.  ? Can anyone tell me what setups I need to use a LN05 on VMS 5.1.   ( Do I use Device_Type=LN03in queue setup?G Does anyone know which control characters are needed for graphics/plots 5 printing, or where I can get a manual from in the UK?    Thanks Baldy (due to pulling hair out)    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:27:39 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>' Subject: Re: Suggestion for VAX VMS 8.2 2 Message-ID: <vqONd.7316$cM2.3674@news.cpqcorp.net>   JF Mezei wrote: M > Since 8.2 might be the last version of VAX VMS, I came to think about it...  > E > I would suggest that when VMS engineers generate that version, they E > should predefine many platforms which may (or may not) be part of a I > cluster in the future. For instance, add the codes for the 8086, Sparc, 3 > Power and a couple of "unknown1" "unknown2" etc.   > F > This way, command procedures that may make assumptions in the future/ > would still work when moved to a VAX machine.   1 Huh?  For command procedures, you do things like:   : $ if f$getsyi("arch_name") .eqs. "ALPHA" then do something   Go ahead today and write  ; $ if f$getsyi("arch_name") .eqs. "POWER5" then do something   G You don't need anything new in V8.2 to allow you to write that (unless  ' you want it to return POWER5 :-) :-) ).   = Now if you want constants like SYI$K_ARCH_POWER5 to be 5 and  C SYI$K_ARCH_X86 to be 6 so you can write C code to call $GETSYI and  E compare the returned arch value, then that would require work (which  I won't get done, trust me). Even if we did, you couldn't test the code on  ? the specific platform (and if it wasn't platform specific, why   conditionalize it?)   I And what would an "unknown1" value give you?  You want to write platform  I specific code for an unknown platform that you (and me) haven't heard of  6 yet?  Sorry, my magic 8-ball is at the shop this week.   --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.076 ************************