0 INFO-VAX	Tue, 08 Feb 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 77      Contents: Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questions Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questions Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questions0 Re: DECW$SESSION Limits... won't start new tasks Re: DVE and maximum file count Re: DVE and maximum file count Elephants can dance 2 Re: FBI gets hacked - should have been on OpenVMS! Fonts used by an application ?# Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion # Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion # RE: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion # RE: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion 7 IBM "Cell" chip - was Re: Curly soon to be out of a job ) Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend....  Itanium In the Press Re: Itanium In the Press Re: Lexical to get ACL Re: Lexical to get ACL Re: Lexical to get ACL Re: Lexical to get ACL Re: Lexical to get ACL  new version of SYMBOL on my site. OpenVMS Job opportunity in Southern California6 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COMj6 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COMj setting up a LAT forward port ! Re: setting up a LAT forward port 0 Re: Setup of LN05 Laser on VMS v5.1 without DCPS  Simple copy question (RMS-E-FEX)$ Re: Simple copy question (RMS-E-FEX)$ Re: Simple copy question (RMS-E-FEX)$ Re: Simple copy question (RMS-E-FEX)( Why aren't more universities doing this?, Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?, Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2005 10:46:49 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questions C Message-ID: <1107802009.309809.245690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Beach Runner wrote: ? > You might want to pre-init the drive with a larger indexf.sys < > and then do an image restore/noinit.   It's a good idea to pre-allocateA > additional size for indexf.sys, especially if you're going to a  bigger > drive. >  > Call Colorado for details.  E Good point! You may want to consider giving values for some or all of < the following INITIALIZE qualifiers: /HEADERS /MAXIMUM_FILES /CLUSTER_SIZE.  F /HEADERS=n makes INDEXF.SYS large enough for n file headers initially.A No expansion of INDEXF.SYS will be needed until you exceed n file  headers.  G /MAXIMUM_FILES=m determines the size of the header bitmap in INDEXF.SYS E and m becomes the largest number of file headers you can ever have on F the disk without reinitializing. Be sure not to make this too small!!!  ; /CLUSTER_SIZE determines the cluster size. Cluster size and @ maximum_files are related. See HELP INIT for more info on that.    [...]    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:56:46 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> # Subject: Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questions 0 Message-ID: <110fhg5tgs70e04@corp.supernews.com>   tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote:0 > I am replacing disks on a system with a broken
 > tape drive.  > 0 > The new disk is twice the capacity of the old. > 1 gig to 2 gig, I think.  0 These are rather small disks, today.  No issues.  . > Is there any problem with using BACKUP/IMAGE, > for a disk to disk copy in this situation?  - You don't mention whether it's a system disk.   D Assuming that you're copying a system disk, you can do it while the F system is running, or, if you have the drive and CD, running from the  distribution media.   F If you do it while the system is running, be sure that no activity is C taking place on the system, no users, no batch jobs, etc, and even  I shuting down the queue stuff won't hurt, but with no activity, shouldn't  @ make a difference.  Shutting down networking could also be done.  = Should you wish different/better clustersize and file header  9 pre-allocation, you can first INITIALIZE the target disk:   F INIT /SYSTEM /HEADER=?? /CLUSTERSIZE=?? .MAXIMUM_FILES=?? DISK2: DISK2  D Note, for a 2 GB disk, I'd just use a clustersize of 1.  A bit more I overhead, but no wasted blocks.  If you do this, and the source disk has  F a larger clustersize, the files will copy with the unused blocks.  To 8 avoid this, use the /TRUNCATE switch on the target disk.  G One thing to consider is whether you have any files marked NOBACKUP on  I the source disk.  The page, swap, and dump files are normally setup this  I way, but they don't contain any relavent data.  If you have other files,  F with relavent data, then to copy the data use /IGNORE=NOBACKUP.  It's D been a while, but I think that this might cause a copy of the page, F swap, and dupm files, a useless exercise.  An alternative would be to C find any other files marked NOBACKUP and remove that status before   copying the disk.    The following may wrap.   B BACKUP /IMAGE /NOINIT /NOALIAS /IGNORE=(INTERLOCK,NOBACKUP,LABEL)  /VERIFY DISK1: DISK2: /TRUNCATE    > Should I use /NOALIAS?   For a system disk, yes.   / > There is something in HELP BACKUP/IMAGE about . > preservation of the cluster factor.  Is that) > a problem in this situation, going to a  > larger disk.  = If you don't use the /NOINIT switch, the target disk will be  I re-initialized to match the source disk.  You may or may not desire this.   , > Can I copy from the live system disk using+ > BACKUP/IMAGE?  If not, I can boot off the  > CD.  >   I Either, as long as nothing is running on the system.  If you can shut it  7 down and boot from the CD, that is the approved method.    Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 20:41:11 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) # Subject: Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questions 1 Message-ID: <HnQNd.7334$VQ2.466@news.cpqcorp.net>   ^ In article <1107781228.898368.45180@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com writes:  - :Is there any problem with using BACKUP/IMAGE + :for a disk to disk copy in this situation?   )   From a running system, use the command:   A   INITIALIZE/HEADERS=x/MAXIMUM_FILES=y/SYSTEM/CLUSTER=n to: label   F   Then boot standalone BACKUP (VAX) or the distribution CD-ROM (recentB   VAX, or Alpha V6.1 and later), or the distribution DVD-ROM (I64)   and use the command   -    BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY/NOINITIALIZE from: to:   C   You can use the INITIALIZE command from the bootable environment, !   but not from standalone BACKUP.    :Should I use /NOALIAS?   F   /NOALIAS saves space in savesets, and should generally be used -- soF   long as you understand you must request file-level restorations fromG   the primary entry.  /IMAGE restorations will restore the correct file 4   structures regardless of the /[NO]ALIAS setting.    F   You will want to have the current ECOs here, of course, for whatever   OpenVMS version is involved.  . :There is something in HELP BACKUP/IMAGE about- :preservation of the cluster factor.  Is that ( :a problem in this situation, going to a
 :larger disk.   A   Could be.  Bigger problem (no pun intended) is reserving enough 0   room on the bigger disk for files and headers.  ; :Can I copy from the live system disk using BACKUP/IMAGE?     C   If you are asking the question, I would tend to recommend against A   it -- you may/will have to rebuild parts of files if you do use C   this technique.   See the /IGNORE=INTERLOCK discussion in the FAQ     for a discussion of the "fun".   If not, I can boot off the CD.  B   As you should.  There is a description of the sequence used for D   a full BACKUP/IMAGE available in the OpenVMS upgrade manual and/orC   in the system manager's manual, and -- probably best -- there are C   step-by-step sequences and command examples in the BACKUP manual.   F   If this is a VAXstation 3100 series or certain of the oldest membersE   of the MicroVAX 3100 series, please see the system disk limits that $   are referenced in the OpenVMS FAQ.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:33:24 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: DECW$SESSION Limits... won't start new tasks B Message-ID: <1107811318.703e2e4215663420032478b8107e3d78@teranews>    martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk wrote:G > However, I am unclear of the sequence that leads to your problem. You C > create a sub-process, the sub-process ends, then you can't create H > another sub-process? Between the end and next start do you do anything > else in the session manager?  B I had one or two application set to run as a subprocess instead ofG detached. At one point, starting one would result it it being "pending" C in the Work in Porgress panel, UNTIL I quite another one , at which " point the pending one would start.  D But eventually, everything became pending, except for apps that wereH already declared as detached. (one couldn't even get to the "..." config/ for a specific app to declare it as "detached".   H At that point, fileview still worked fine, since it seems to run as partG of the session manager process. I could see decw$session's working, its  working set in increasing etc.  % This session lasted for over 85 days.   G However, since this is on VAX, does it really matter if I find a bug or H provide you with better description of what causes the memory leak ? Are0 you guy still allowed to provide updates to it ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:00:46 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> ' Subject: Re: DVE and maximum file count 2 Message-ID: <4207D6FE.2020903@applied-synergy.com>   Ed Wilts wrote:   F > The files are typically nice and small - many of them are 1-4 blocks= > with an average size of about 20 on one of my bigger disks.  > G > I've been aware of Glen's pseudo-disk hacks for many years (it's been D > what, at least 10 years since it first came out?) but that kind ofD > driver hack isn't going to land on our production servers here (no# > offense to Glen is to be taken!).   4 For your purposes, would a bound volume work better?  I When you bind another drive to the volume, you get another block of file   headers.  @ Depending on your disk system, it can also help balance load by  spreading access over spindles.    --  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2005 18:36:23 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ' Subject: Re: DVE and maximum file count 3 Message-ID: <bisbpny3P8mF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <1107789227.568952.100910@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes:F > The files are typically nice and small - many of them are 1-4 blocks= > with an average size of about 20 on one of my bigger disks.  > G > I've been aware of Glen's pseudo-disk hacks for many years (it's been D > what, at least 10 years since it first came out?) but that kind ofD > driver hack isn't going to land on our production servers here (no# > offense to Glen is to be taken!).  >   > 	Went back and forth trying to see if you had specified number, 	of files.  From Alan Feldman's explanation:   http://tinyurl.com/6hkwa     > P >     Error count                    0    Operations completed              4092P >     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                     [SYSTEM]P >     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot           S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,WP >     Reference count                1    Default buffer size                512P >     Total blocks            71132000    Sectors per track                  254P >     Total cylinders            14003    Tracks per cylinder                 20D >     Host name               "LUMINA"    Host type, AlphaServerDS20& >     Allocation class               5 > P >     Volume label             "DATA4"    Relative volume number               0P >     Cluster size                   1    Transaction count                    1P >     Free blocks              2710889    Maximum files allowed         16711679    < 	That 71 million block disk has 16.7 mill max files allowed.% 	Is your application worse than that?    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:18:33 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Elephants can danceB Message-ID: <1107814031.c1087ac192bb7252d0a23c867047c6e6@teranews>  I Just (finally) read Lou Gerstner's "Who says Elephants can't dance" book.   C It was written circa 2002. (so Gerstner was fully aware of what was   going on betwene HP and Compaq).  # Gerstner got in IBM  in April 1993.   O In page 221 of the paperback, there is a most interesting section on takeovers.   ? "We need to grow, so let's go acquire somebody" .... "This is a H contagious disease that infects too many executives. When given a choice@ of working hard to fix a base business or, instead, completing aG glamorous acquisition and crowing about its promise on the financial TV 2 stations, too many executives opt for the latter."    ? "A partial list of companies that were propopsed as acquisition H candidates include: MCI, Nortel, Compaq, SGI and Novell <...> InvestmentD bankers with thick blue books were alwasy ready to describe a yellowF brick road leading to the wonderful city of Oz. NOT ONE OF THESE DEALS WOULD HAVE WORKED.    E "I could tell a lot of investment-banker stories, but perhaps the one G that stands out in my mind the most was the proposal from one bank that  IBM acquire Compaq Computer."   G Gertsner then goes on showing how the investment bankers showed glowing C success for IBM buying Compaq, but when Gertner looks into the fine H print, he realised that such a transaction would wipe out 5 years of IBMP profits (roughly $50 billion) and IBM would show huge losses during that period.  H When the banker was questioned the response was "Oh, investors would all, see right through this, it woudln't matter".   ------  C What this tells me is that Capellas had been actively looking for a F buyer. There is no specific time mentioned for this story. But it doesE show that it wasn't people interested in buying Compaq, it was Compaq 7 hiring bankers to find anyone gullibe enough to buy it.   D The timing of bank pitching Compaq to IBM would be most interesting.G Alpha had no value to HP. But would have had value to IBM. (perhaps not B the chip itself, but the engineers and the intellectual property).D Perhaps Curly didn't kill alpha because it may have been of value toH some suitors such as IBM, but when time ran out and HP became the chosen8 suitor, then Curly killed Alpha and donated it to Intel.   ------------------------------    Date: 07 Feb 2005 14:01:52 -05003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> ; Subject: Re: FBI gets hacked - should have been on OpenVMS! . Message-ID: <mddbrawqjmn.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  , "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> writes:  9 > "John S." <j.simakauskas@comcast.net> wrote in message  , > news:edydnQLRmNAo2ZnfRVn-qw@comcast.com...  ) >> Photos of a DEC system used by the FBI $ >> http://www.vistadome.com/fbi.html  H > I understand there's a budget request before Congress to upgrade that M > particular machine to one of the new PDP-20 systems (aren't bigger numbers  M > better?).  Even now FBI field offices are scouring museums all over the US   > in search of bidders...   N There was, of course, no such machine designation from DEC.  The DECSYSTEM-20,F like the DECsystem-10, was based on the PDP-10 processor architecture.   --  L Rich Alderson                                       | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |L news@alderson.users.panix.com                       | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |L                          --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 00:34:44 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Fonts used by an application ? B Message-ID: <1107840169.4330e4d200a39ae8a39c3b13c757ab46@teranews>  H I am trying to figure out exactly which font TPU uses for its decwindowsB version, in particular the font which displays control characters.  E I've looked inside the tpu$motif_shr.exe image, the UID, UIL and .DAT # files and found no valid font name.   + Where else could the font names be hidden ?   C Since TPU clearly changes the font used in the text display to have G control characters "displayed", shouldn't some file contain the name of 6 the font it uses to display those special characters ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 20:55:50 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion0 Message-ID: <00A3F0B5.F5A09CF1@SendSpamHere.ORG>  _ In article <QFLNd.7292$WP6.4366@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:  > M >Go to hp.com and click on servers.  Then type in A6939A in the "search" box. M >Then click on the product overview.  It shows that the part is $75 and ships  >in 3 >2-3 weeks (it gave me a ship estimate of 2/28/05).   J THANKS*e+06 Fred.  I'm almost there but the [Add to Cart>>] button doesn't work.     K Now I only need to figure out why HP doesn't want people to buy shit unless J it's printer supplies (yes, strangely enough, the JavaScript for the imageI link to HP printing supplies works but the JavaScript for [Add to Cart>>]  image link does not).    --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:03:16 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion0 Message-ID: <00A3F0B6.FF7BD027@SendSpamHere.ORG>  S In article <00A3F0B5.F5A09CF1@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: ` >In article <QFLNd.7292$WP6.4366@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: >>N >>Go to hp.com and click on servers.  Then type in A6939A in the "search" box.N >>Then click on the product overview.  It shows that the part is $75 and ships >>in4 >>2-3 weeks (it gave me a ship estimate of 2/28/05). > K >THANKS*e+06 Fred.  I'm almost there but the [Add to Cart>>] button doesn't  >work.  J BTW, there's no description of the contents of this kit.  Does is contain   the rx2600 bezel, end caps, etc.  I If I place an order for this, I want to be assured that it is indeed what I I need because if ordering a part is such a royal pain in the arse, I can J only guess that returning the wrong part would make the ordering seem like a walk through the park.   --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:31:23 -0500# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> , Subject: RE: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDGEIIGAAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----B > From: VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG]) > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:03 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . > Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion >  > : > In article <00A3F0B5.F5A09CF1@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- > @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: = > >In article <QFLNd.7292$WP6.4366@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" & > <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: > >>P > >>Go to hp.com and click on servers.  Then type in A6939A in the "search" box.P > >>Then click on the product overview.  It shows that the part is $75 and ships > >>in6 > >>2-3 weeks (it gave me a ship estimate of 2/28/05). > > M > >THANKS*e+06 Fred.  I'm almost there but the [Add to Cart>>] button doesn't  > >work.  N Must be your browser setup - worked for me although I did not try to place the order.   > K > BTW, there's no description of the contents of this kit.  Does is contain " > the rx2600 bezel, end caps, etc.  ) Product overview says rails and bezels...    > K > If I place an order for this, I want to be assured that it is indeed what K > I need because if ordering a part is such a royal pain in the arse, I can L > only guess that returning the wrong part would make the ordering seem like > a walk through the park. >  > --> > http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security? >                       solutions that others only claim to be.  > --. > Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:N >   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! > --M > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:00:10 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: RE: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion0 Message-ID: <00A3F0BE.F287D518@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDGEIIGAAA.dallen@nist.gov>, "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> writes: >  >  >> -----Original Message----- C >> From: VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG] * >> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:03 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com/ >> Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion  >> >>; >> In article <00A3F0B5.F5A09CF1@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  >> @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:> >> >In article <QFLNd.7292$WP6.4366@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK"' >> <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:  >> >> Q >> >>Go to hp.com and click on servers.  Then type in A6939A in the "search" box. Q >> >>Then click on the product overview.  It shows that the part is $75 and ships  >> >>in 7 >> >>2-3 weeks (it gave me a ship estimate of 2/28/05).  >> >N >> >THANKS*e+06 Fred.  I'm almost there but the [Add to Cart>>] button doesn't	 >> >work.  > O >Must be your browser setup - worked for me although I did not try to place the  >order.   N Latest updates to Safari, Netscape and Firefox on OS X Panther with all of the latest updates.   3 Why does Carly only want to sell to PeeCee users?      --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:39:16 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> @ Subject: IBM "Cell" chip - was Re: Curly soon to be out of a job, Message-ID: <5oadnXJqKYCUfZrfRVn-qA@igs.net>  K This chip will start eating into Intel's x86/x86-64 profit pie. Pretty soon % Intel won't be able to afford Itanic.     L http://www-1.ibm.com/press/PressServletForm.wss?MenuChoice=pressreleases&TemL plateName=ShowPressReleaseTemplate&SelectString=t1.docunid=7502&TableName=DaL taheadApplicationClass&SESSIONKEY=any&WindowTitle=Press+Release&STATUS=publi sh    L IBM, Sony, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. and Toshiba Disclose Key Details of the Cell Chip  L Innovative Design Features Eight Synergistic Cores Together with Power BasedB Core, Delivers More Than 10 Times the Performance of the Latest PC
 Processors    J SAN FRANCISCO -- Feb. 7, 2005 -- At the International Solid State CircuitsL Conference (ISSCC) today, IBM, Sony Corporation, Sony Computer EntertainmentK Inc. (Sony and Sony Computer Entertainment collectively referred to as Sony H Group) and Toshiba Corporation (Toshiba) for the first time disclosed inC detail the breakthrough multi-core architectural design - featuring H supercomputer-like floating point performance with observed clock speedsI greater than 4 GHz - of their jointly developed microprocessor code-named  Cell.   C A team of IBM, Sony Group and Toshiba engineers has collaborated on K development of the Cell microprocessor at a joint design center established D in Austin, Texas, since March 2001. The prototype chip is 221 mm(2),K integrates 234 million transistors, and is fabricated with 90 nanometer SOI  technology.   @ Cell's breakthrough multi-core architecture and ultra high-speedK communications capabilities deliver vastly improved, real-time response for E entertainment and rich media applications, in many cases 10 times the ( performance of the latest PC processors.  > Effectively a "supercomputer on a chip" incorporating advancedG multi-processing technologies used in IBM's sophisticated servers, Sony K Group's computer entertainment systems and Toshiba's advanced semiconductor H technology, Cell will become the broadband processor used for industrial% applications to the new digital home.   K Another advantage of Cell is to support multiple operating systems, such as E conventional operating systems (including Linux), real-time operating K systems for computer entertainment and consumer electronics applications as J well as guest operating systems for specific applications, simultaneously.  H Initial production of Cell microprocessors is expected to begin at IBM'sI 300mm wafer fabrication facility in East Fishkill, N.Y., followed by Sony F Group's Nagasaki Fab, this year. IBM, Sony Group and Toshiba expect toD promote Cell-based products including a broad range of industry-wideI applications, from digital televisions to home servers to supercomputers.   , Among the highlights of Cell released today:  D   a.. Cell is a breakthrough architectural design -- featuring eightE synergistic processors and top clock speeds of greater than 4 GHz (as ) measured during initial hardware testing) K   b.. Cell is a multicore chip capable of massive floating point processing @   c.. Cell is OS neutral and supports multiple operating systems simultaneouslyK "Today's disclosure of the Cell chip's breakthrough architectural design is I a significant milestone in an ambitious project that began four years ago L with the creation of the IBM, Sony and Toshiba design lab in Austin, Texas,"L said William Zeitler, senior vice president and group executive, IBM Systems? and Technology Group. "Today we see the tangible results of our J collaboration: an open, multi-core, microprocessor that portends a new era) in graphics and multi-media performance."     H "Today, we are very proud to share with you the first development of theG Cell project, initiated with aspirations by the joint team of IBM, Sony E Group and Toshiba in March 2001," said Ken Kutaragi, executive deputy F president and COO, Sony Corporation, and president and Group CEO, SonyJ Computer Entertainment Inc. "With Cell opening a doorway, a new chapter in$ computer science is about to begin."  H "We are proud that Cell, a revolutionary microprocessor with a brand newL architecture that leapfrogs the performance of existing processors, has beenB created through a perfect synergy of IBM, Sony Group and Toshiba'sL capabilities and talented resources, "said Masashi Muromachi, corporate viceA president of Toshiba Corporation and president & CEO of Toshiba's E Semiconductor Company. "We are confident that Cell will provide major B momentum for the progress of digital convergence, as a core deviceB sustaining a whole spectrum of advanced information-rich broadbandK applications, from consumer electronics, home entertainment through various  industrial systems."  	 About IBM I IBM develops, manufactures and markets state-of-the-art semiconductor and K interconnect technologies, products and services including industry-leading B Power Architecture microprocessors. IBM semiconductors are a majorH contributor to the company's position as the world's largest informationI technology company. Its chip products and solutions power IBM eServer and J TotalStorage systems as well as many of the world's best-known electronics brands.   G IBM semiconductor innovations include dual-core microprocessors, copper H wiring, silicon-on-insulator and silicon germanium transistors, strained? silicon, and eFUSE, a technology that enables computer chips to K automatically respond to changing conditions. More information is available  at: http://www.ibm.com/chips   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:28:40 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 2 Subject: Is $3 million really so much to spend...., Message-ID: <F-WdndNHM9LxXJrfRVn-iw@igs.net>  * .....on getting VMS some wide recognition?  L Watched by more than 144 million viewers in the United States last year, theH Super Bowl is the nation's highest-rated TV program and the most-watched single-day sporting event.    J It is the biggest stage for advertisers and their agencies, where they vieI for the title of most memorable or entertaining commercial. This year, TV = network Fox sold 30-second spots for up to $2.4 million each.   5 Add 1/2 a mil to produce an ad and you're up to $3MM.   H I'll bet one or both Gorham or Marcello could write a personal check forE that and then just add it as a entry on their monthy expense reports, 0 complete with receipt...just like taxi receipts.   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:32:17 +0000 (UTC)( From: m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer)6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend....5 Message-ID: <cu8fo1$l2m$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>   R In article <F-WdndNHM9LxXJrfRVn-iw@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:, > .....on getting VMS some wide recognition? > N > Watched by more than 144 million viewers in the United States last year, theJ > Super Bowl is the nation's highest-rated TV program and the most-watched > single-day sporting event.  " Maybe, but VMS lacks some nipples.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:50:25 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> 6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend....A Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050207124806.02307dd0@raptor.psccos.com>   & ..and what would it have accomplished?   Answer: nothing.  F It would mean absolutely NOTHING to 99.999% of the people watching theE game.  And no CEO is going to spend megabucks based on what he saw on  a Super Bowl ad.  G If you're going to spend $3m on advertising VMS, don't waste the money; I put it into more ambassadors, into trade shows, into print ads.  In other > words, places where it would have a chance of doing some good.  ' At 12:28 PM 2/7/2005, John Smith wrote: + >.....on getting VMS some wide recognition?  > M >Watched by more than 144 million viewers in the United States last year, the I >Super Bowl is the nation's highest-rated TV program and the most-watched  >single-day sporting event.  >  > K >It is the biggest stage for advertisers and their agencies, where they vie J >for the title of most memorable or entertaining commercial. This year, TV> >network Fox sold 30-second spots for up to $2.4 million each. > 6 >Add 1/2 a mil to produce an ad and you're up to $3MM. > I >I'll bet one or both Gorham or Marcello could write a personal check for F >that and then just add it as a entry on their monthy expense reports,1 >complete with receipt...just like taxi receipts.    ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:52:40 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend...., Message-ID: <n9ydnbVYB4WASJrfRVn-tQ@igs.net>  K So spend $3MM on advertising VMS in more appropriate places - most of whichs have already been suggested.  D The Super Bowl was suggest only because it had hard numbers for bothL viewership and cost, and that it reaches lots of people all at once. Lots ofG lay people today know that they are affected by shoddy Microsoft memory C leaks and susceptibility to worms/viruses, etc... and they are more ! demanding today than ever before.o  J As to advertising on the Super Bowl broadcast, who knew what a 'Macintosh'J was before the 1984 Super Bowl -yet how many people knew of it afterwards?    : Speaking of arcane (some might say) ways to spend money onL advertising....SAP advertsing on Formula One race cars. Globally it probablyG has similar  demographics as the Super Bowl, so don't say that high-endlI products can't gain exposure and mind-share through events like the Super. Bowl.e  G Another example ....you may not be in the market for an expensive watchuJ today but when you are I'm sure that you will consider Rolex, Cartier, andG several others that you've seen in advertising. That's what advertising I does - it delivers a direct message and opens receptors to other messagesg you want to deliver.       Dan O'Reilly wrote: ( > ..and what would it have accomplished? >E > Answer: nothing. >oH > It would mean absolutely NOTHING to 99.999% of the people watching theG > game.  And no CEO is going to spend megabucks based on what he saw on  > a Super Bowl ad. >eB > If you're going to spend $3m on advertising VMS, don't waste theC > money; put it into more ambassadors, into trade shows, into print D > ads.  In other words, places where it would have a chance of doing > some good. > ) > At 12:28 PM 2/7/2005, John Smith wrote:h- >> .....on getting VMS some wide recognition?- >>E >> Watched by more than 144 million viewers in the United States last D >> year, the Super Bowl is the nation's highest-rated TV program and. >> the most-watched single-day sporting event. >> >>D >> It is the biggest stage for advertisers and their agencies, whereG >> they vie for the title of most memorable or entertaining commercial.h@ >> This year, TV network Fox sold 30-second spots for up to $2.4 >> million each. >>8 >> Add 1/2 a mil to produce an ad and you're up to $3MM. >>G >> I'll bet one or both Gorham or Marcello could write a personal checkdC >> for that and then just add it as a entry on their monthy expensei< >> reports, complete with receipt...just like taxi receipts. >I > ------L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+D >> Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people inG >> this | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understandsE >> binary   | Process Software              |   and those who don't."i$ >> | http://www.process.com        | >> |L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:57:14 -0500-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>56 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend....B Message-ID: <1107812751.89837f4f919687bf4cc515b3dc41194b@teranews>   Dan O'Reilly wrote:  > ( > ..and what would it have accomplished? >  > Answer: nothing. > H > It would mean absolutely NOTHING to 99.999% of the people watching theG > game.  And no CEO is going to spend megabucks based on what he saw oni > a Super Bowl ad.   WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG.  G It would send a LOUD AND CLEAR message to the world that VMS is back ineE business under the HP brand and contrary to popular beliefe, it isn'toJ dead and its robustness, qality etc is exactly what businesses need today.  B The number of cold calls HP might get the next day may not be thatF great. But what this commercial woudl do however, is open the door forC when a VMS specific sales person wants to make a presentation/salesu> pitch at a potential new customer. That new customer will haveF remembered the ads, knowing that VMS is back in business and will give> him a chance. Right now, customers are just saying "sorry, not interested in dead systems".   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:01:33 -0500K- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend....B Message-ID: <1107813011.409a37a8fc08e745efac8eca59019213@teranews>  B Oh one more thing. While it is true that the commercial might menaF nothinbg to 99.9% of the people watching it, it would mean a hell of aF lot to that .1% who might order hundreds of millions worth of business	 from VMS.   G It would also send a clear message that HP means its commitment to VMS.eF Superbowl ads are serious business and it is exactly because their areG seen by so many poeple that what a company says in that ad is very veryt2 very serious (even if presented in a joke format).  > HP advertising VMS at superbowl and telling the world about itH commitment to VMS would make it absolutely impossible for HP to reneg onE that promise exactly because it commitment had such high visibility. G  D Making a commitment in a room filled with 20 customers with no media= attention makes it very easy for HP to break that commitment.s  E HP making ads on TV about VMS would send a strong message to existingtE customers that HP is changing the way it is handling VMS and that VMS.F might be coming back isntead of being allow to rot by itself. It woudlH most certaintly be a wait to gain respect and some trust from customers,C somethint which HP has not even tried to do since it bought Compaq.,   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:16:03 -0700n% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>n6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend....A Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050207150836.0244bcb0@raptor.psccos.com>:  % At 02:57 PM 2/7/2005, JF Mezei wrote:f >Dan O'Reilly wrote: > >/* > > ..and what would it have accomplished? > >@ > > Answer: nothing. > >tJ > > It would mean absolutely NOTHING to 99.999% of the people watching theI > > game.  And no CEO is going to spend megabucks based on what he saw on  > > a Super Bowl ad. >a >WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG., >eH >It would send a LOUD AND CLEAR message to the world that VMS is back inF >business under the HP brand and contrary to popular beliefe, it isn'tK >dead and its robustness, qality etc is exactly what businesses need today.6  G Who in "the world" would care????  You don't sell server-class machines F on mass-market TV.  When was the last time you laughed over the Sun orI IBM mainframe or HPUX or AIX or MPE .... commercial?  I'll repeat: you'reI$ not reaching the people you need to.  G It works for Dell PC's because people know what a Dell PC is.  It worksvG for Gateway for the same reason.  But it wouldn't work for VMS because,oI frankly, nobody who could make a decision would seriously make a decision 5 based on the idea that it was in a TV ad.  Puh-lease!r  C >The number of cold calls HP might get the next day may not be that G >great. But what this commercial woudl do however, is open the door for D >when a VMS specific sales person wants to make a presentation/sales? >pitch at a potential new customer. That new customer will havemG >remembered the ads, knowing that VMS is back in business and will givey? >him a chance. Right now, customers are just saying "sorry, noti >interested in dead systems".g   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2005 23:24:24 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend...., Message-ID: <36qbl8F568dkgU1@individual.net>  A In article <6.1.2.0.2.20050207150836.0244bcb0@raptor.psccos.com>,-( 	Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes:' > At 02:57 PM 2/7/2005, JF Mezei wrote:/ >>Dan O'Reilly wrote:- >> >+ >> > ..and what would it have accomplished?- >> > >> > Answer: nothing.e >> >K >> > It would mean absolutely NOTHING to 99.999% of the people watching the-J >> > game.  And no CEO is going to spend megabucks based on what he saw on >> > a Super Bowl ad.: >>  >>WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. >>I >>It would send a LOUD AND CLEAR message to the world that VMS is back in>G >>business under the HP brand and contrary to popular beliefe, it isn'teL >>dead and its robustness, qality etc is exactly what businesses need today. > I > Who in "the world" would care????  You don't sell server-class machinestH > on mass-market TV.  When was the last time you laughed over the Sun or8 > IBM mainframe or HPUX or AIX or MPE .... commercial?    @ I seldom laugh at them, unless they were intended to actually be> funny.  Mostly, I watch them to get an idea where a particular@ company is and is headed.  Sometimes, the commercial leads me to8 go out and do more research to learn even more about it.  J >                                                      I'll repeat: you're& > not reaching the people you need to.  H You honestly think that no executives care about football or were likelyG to watch the SuperBowl?  Who do you think owns those teams?  Why do youk/ think all the stadiums have corporate sponsors?    > I > It works for Dell PC's because people know what a Dell PC is.  It worksiI > for Gateway for the same reason.  But it wouldn't work for VMS because, K > frankly, nobody who could make a decision would seriously make a decision-7 > based on the idea that it was in a TV ad.  Puh-lease!   D It's not about making a decision based on the commercial (I love the@ Budweiser commercials, but I am not about to buy their beer. :-)D It is about making people aware of a product.  It's so that when theF salesman actually comes to their office they actually know the productH exists.  If the commercial is done well enough, everyone will be talkingD about it in the office for at least a week.  That might make someoneF interested enough to actually research the product.  Right now, no oneG even knows about VMS so they are unlikely to go looking for informationr	 about it.w   bill   -- lJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   -   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:29:58 -0500r' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend....0 Message-ID: <110g8hc61i6qq77@corp.supernews.com>   John Smith wrote: , > .....on getting VMS some wide recognition? > N > Watched by more than 144 million viewers in the United States last year, theJ > Super Bowl is the nation's highest-rated TV program and the most-watched > single-day sporting event. >  > L > It is the biggest stage for advertisers and their agencies, where they vieK > for the title of most memorable or entertaining commercial. This year, TVe? > network Fox sold 30-second spots for up to $2.4 million each.  > 7 > Add 1/2 a mil to produce an ad and you're up to $3MM.t > J > I'll bet one or both Gorham or Marcello could write a personal check forG > that and then just add it as a entry on their monthy expense reports,o2 > complete with receipt...just like taxi receipts. >  >  >  Maybe, maybe not.t  E I once turned in an expense report, with an item for 'car rental' at  F Malibu Speedway.  Perplexed office manager comes around and asks what F Malibu Speedway is.  After I explained, I got this real strange look, I and the proclimation, "I'm going to pay this, but don't you ever do this   again!"    Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:39:55 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend....0 Message-ID: <110g945nrdiui7f@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:C > In article <6.1.2.0.2.20050207150836.0244bcb0@raptor.psccos.com>,5* > 	Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes: > ' >>At 02:57 PM 2/7/2005, JF Mezei wrote:  >> >>>Dan O'Reilly wrote: >>> * >>>>..and what would it have accomplished? >>>> >>>>Answer: nothing. >>>>J >>>>It would mean absolutely NOTHING to 99.999% of the people watching theI >>>>game.  And no CEO is going to spend megabucks based on what he saw ont >>>>a Super Bowl ad. >>>-! >>>WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG.0 >>> J >>>It would send a LOUD AND CLEAR message to the world that VMS is back inH >>>business under the HP brand and contrary to popular beliefe, it isn'tM >>>dead and its robustness, qality etc is exactly what businesses need today.t >>I >>Who in "the world" would care????  You don't sell server-class machinesaH >>on mass-market TV.  When was the last time you laughed over the Sun or8 >>IBM mainframe or HPUX or AIX or MPE .... commercial?   >  > B > I seldom laugh at them, unless they were intended to actually be@ > funny.  Mostly, I watch them to get an idea where a particularB > company is and is headed.  Sometimes, the commercial leads me to: > go out and do more research to learn even more about it. >  > J >>                                                     I'll repeat: you're& >>not reaching the people you need to. >  > J > You honestly think that no executives care about football or were likelyI > to watch the SuperBowl?  Who do you think owns those teams?  Why do you 1 > think all the stadiums have corporate sponsors?h >  > I >>It works for Dell PC's because people know what a Dell PC is.  It workslI >>for Gateway for the same reason.  But it wouldn't work for VMS because, K >>frankly, nobody who could make a decision would seriously make a decisionC7 >>based on the idea that it was in a TV ad.  Puh-lease!t >  > F > It's not about making a decision based on the commercial (I love theB > Budweiser commercials, but I am not about to buy their beer. :-)F > It is about making people aware of a product.  It's so that when theH > salesman actually comes to their office they actually know the productJ > exists.  If the commercial is done well enough, everyone will be talkingF > about it in the office for at least a week.  That might make someoneH > interested enough to actually research the product.  Right now, no oneI > even knows about VMS so they are unlikely to go looking for informationw > about it.i >  > bill >   H I'm not sure where I'd stand on an advertisement during the Super Bowl. L   It's real easy to spend someone else's money.  However, some observations.  H The stupid donkey in the Budweiser commercials does gain your interest. C   What I mean is that you remember the commercial.  And that's the yC purpose of a commercial, to get your attention, not to educate you.u  ? As for computer related commercials, how many remember the IBM aG commercial, with the guy calling the cops over an empty computer room? 4A Yeah, that's right, quite a few remember that one, and those who  F remember it the most would be those affected by a room full of single G purpose computers.  That commercial made it's point, and is remembered.o  G If such a commercial were done, it would have to be as good as the IBM  H commercial, or it would be a waste of money.  Just spending money for a G commercial does nothing.  The question is, does HP have anyone with an e appropriate message?   Dave   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:40:23 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend...., Message-ID: <J5idnfOO28YyqZXfRVn-tA@igs.net>   Dan O'Reilly wrote: ' > At 02:57 PM 2/7/2005, JF Mezei wrote:e >> Dan O'Reilly wrote: >>>y* >>> ..and what would it have accomplished? >>>e >>> Answer: nothing. >>>oF >>> It would mean absolutely NOTHING to 99.999% of the people watchingF >>> the game.  And no CEO is going to spend megabucks based on what he >>> saw on a Super Bowl ad.o >>! >> WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG.n >>G >> It would send a LOUD AND CLEAR message to the world that VMS is back E >> in business under the HP brand and contrary to popular beliefe, it4G >> isn't dead and its robustness, qality etc is exactly what businessess >> need today. >t@ > Who in "the world" would care????  You don't sell server-classF > machines on mass-market TV.  When was the last time you laughed overG > the Sun or IBM mainframe or HPUX or AIX or MPE .... commercial?  I'lla5 > repeat: you're not reaching the people you need to.e >hC > It works for Dell PC's because people know what a Dell PC is.  ItlF > works for Gateway for the same reason.  But it wouldn't work for VMSD > because, frankly, nobody who could make a decision would seriouslyG > make a decision based on the idea that it was in a TV ad.  Puh-lease!s >pE >> The number of cold calls HP might get the next day may not be thateE >> great. But what this commercial woudl do however, is open the doorH7 >> for when a VMS specific sales person wants to make a0 >> presentation/sales A >> pitch at a potential new customer. That new customer will havenD >> remembered the ads, knowing that VMS is back in business and willF >> give him a chance. Right now, customers are just saying "sorry, not >> interested in dead systems".t    1 http://www.udel.edu/PR/UDaily/2004/ads012704.html     2 Ads make the Super Bowl more fun, many viewers say    F Macintosh's sledgehammer hurls toward Big Brother: The first MacintoshK computer was introduced during the 1984 Super Bowl broadcast in a 60-secondlB Orwellian spot done by "Blade Runner" movie director Ridley Scott.    H 2:13 p.m., Jan. 27, 2004--Perhaps a record number of viewers will see 30I minutes of the most expensive commercial time in advertising history whenuK CBS broadcasts Super Bowl XXXVIII from Reliant Stadium in Houston on Sundayy evening, Feb. 1.  L Though CBS likely still had a few spots left early this week, perhaps for asJ little as $60,000 per second, time sold briskly despite declining interestE in network television advertising, according to John Antil, associateaD professor of business administration in the Alfred Lerner College of Business and Economics at UD.o  I "But," according to Antil, an expert on commercial advertising during theeJ big game, "the Super Bowl is, well, the Super Bowl, the only broadcast for< which viewers want to see, evaluate and talk about the ads."  D About *one-half* of viewers believe the ads make the Super Bowl moreD enjoyable and claim to *pay* *attention* to all the ads, Antil said.  K Although the commercials themselves traditionally tend to be male-oriented, E about 45 percent of the 130 million viewers will be females, he said.t  K Guessing what viewers at the year's top at-home party will see this year isiE difficult to say. "Unlike last year, when sponsors were paying public L relations firms to promote and even show parts of the ads prior to the game,L this year secrecy once again rules," Antil said. "Though we will find out ifI the donkey can become a member of the Clydesdales and get a first look atiL Gillette's new battery powered vibrating razor, most of the commercials will have to remain surprises.'  F Antil said some "delicate" products will be featured in three erectileI dysfunction brands and a toilet paper brand, the latter a first for Super, Bowl advertising.M  I The Procter & Gamble Co., one of the world's largest advertisers, held an E internal contest to see which brand would get the honors. "Of course, 5 Charmin won and will make it into the Bowl," he said.   A The erectile dysfunction brands have a real challenge in creatingsI captivating ads for a product whose benefits are difficult to describe oreI show on television, Antil said, and they must do this within a commercialRL environment in which deviating from humor and entertainment has proven to be
 dangerous.  F Conspicuously absent from the Super Bowl XXXVIII commercial line-up isG Apple. "This is the 20th anniversary of the famous 1984 Apple Macintosh I commercial that is often credited with making the Super Bowl the showcase.L for ads that it has become," Antil said. "Apple has new products, a large adI budget and a history of interest in splashy, major events so let's not behF surprised if the computer company shows up at the ad event they helped create."  G That commercial, created by Ridley Scott, featured a world like that inrJ George Orwell's novel "1984" and has been nominated as one of the greatest Super Bowl commercials.o      B http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,61729,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1  L As well as new hardware, there also are murmurs of a high-profile Super BowlH ad to pay homage to the "1984" ad by Ridley Scott that launched the Mac.  L The influential ad, which cost a fortune and was shown only once, has becomeC one of the most famous and celebrated spots in advertising history.h   ....  . http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=node/view/8462  G as an example of what could be done in the absence of HP doing anythings- constructive (which appears highly unlikely).n  L Even ISV companies selling into the VMS market could participate - without aF steady stream of new VMS customers coming on-board, they only have the( exisiting customer base to sell into ...  H This is not the kind of growth model anyone's bank manager wants to hearI when they are thinking about pulling a company's operating line-of-creditA out from under them.      G Go to hpuseradvocacy.org and read the HP responses to customer concerns8I about marketing and advertising. We are told that Itanic ads will mentiongI VMS. Out of the approximately 8-10 different Itanic print ads I have seeneK over the past 5 months or so, VMS was mentioned in exactly one (in the fine H print...at the end...under a comma...hidden behind a potted plant in the corner).  K I kindda feel like Jerry McGuire right now....I want to scream out "SHOW ME1$ THE MONEY" spent on VMS advertising.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:56:02 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>c6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend...., Message-ID: <mOudnXdGbNfKpZXfRVn-ow@igs.net>   Dave Froble wrote: > John Smith wrote:e- >> .....on getting VMS some wide recognition?> >>E >> Watched by more than 144 million viewers in the United States last>D >> year, the Super Bowl is the nation's highest-rated TV program and. >> the most-watched single-day sporting event. >> >>D >> It is the biggest stage for advertisers and their agencies, whereG >> they vie for the title of most memorable or entertaining commercial.e@ >> This year, TV network Fox sold 30-second spots for up to $2.4 >> million each. >>8 >> Add 1/2 a mil to produce an ad and you're up to $3MM. >>G >> I'll bet one or both Gorham or Marcello could write a personal checksC >> for that and then just add it as a entry on their monthy expense < >> reports, complete with receipt...just like taxi receipts. >> >> >> > Maybe, maybe not.r >VF > I once turned in an expense report, with an item for 'car rental' atG > Malibu Speedway.  Perplexed office manager comes around and asks what:G > Malibu Speedway is.  After I explained, I got this real strange look,aE > and the proclimation, "I'm going to pay this, but don't you ever dos > this again!"    K Yeah, but in the case of Gorham/Marcello doing the ad purchase, by then 150mK million people would have heard of VMS and perhaps 100,000 of them would berG calling HP asking about it - about $30 per prospect...which is about asc+ cheap as parking your car for 1 day in NYC.e  C And about 1 million+ more would have some clue about what you sold.   	 <caustic>iH Which is a far better proposition than many thinking that 'adaptive' was= somehow related to 'evolution', which we all *know* is just a J theory......just like the "little adaptive enterprise that could" run by a/ fairy pixie that couldn't get its SAP together.t
 </caustic>   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:50:37 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>a Subject: Itanium In the Press R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53F130@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   All,  , The following article is fyi: (Feb 06, 2005)  H http://news.com.com/Intel+to+detail+dual-core+Itanium+at+conference/2100 -1006_3-5564122.html?tag=3Dnl-G "Montecito, Intel's first dual-core chip, will contain nearly 2 billiono? transistors but will run cooler than its existing relatives.=20e  C A member of the Itanium family of server processors, Montecito will F contain 1.7 billion transistors, making it Intel's first chip to crackF the billion mark in transistors, and run at 2GHz, faster than existingA Itaniums, according to Nimish Modi, vice president of the Digitaln Enterprise Group at Intel.=20o  B Montecito, however, will sport a thermal ceiling, or maximum powerA output, of 100 watts, lower than the 130-watt ceiling of existing E Itaniums and about equal to some of Intel's hottest desktop chips.=20r  D Intel will publish a paper on Montecito, along with one on a siliconG radio with multiple antennas, at the International Solid State CircuitseB Conference, or ISSCC, a five-day event in San Francisco that began7 Sunday. The Montecito chip is due out later this year."o  
 [snip....]   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultants HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660u Fax: 613-591-4477l kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2005 22:08:25 -0600,- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)m! Subject: Re: Itanium In the Press 3 Message-ID: <TcuKc9PE2uaZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB53F130@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> quotes:  D > Montecito, however, will sport a thermal ceiling, or maximum powerC > output, of 100 watts, lower than the 130-watt ceiling of existinghG > Itaniums and about equal to some of Intel's hottest desktop chips.=20d  " But still too hot for a laptop :-(   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 20:26:17 GMTn# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)e Subject: Re: Lexical to get ACL 2 Message-ID: <J9QNd.7332$VQ2.7311@news.cpqcorp.net>  A In article <SvANd.10603$xT6.7598@fe03.lga>, Z <Z@no.spam> writes:d :>>d :>>  CREATE file2l' :>>  SET SECURITY/LIKE=NAME=file1 file2n :>>  DELETE file1  :eG :> That would be one approach, yes, assuming there's room on the targeto. :> volume for both "versions" of the file. ... :,
 :<confused> ?W :i6 :Wouldn't the  $CREATE file2  create a 0-block file2 ?  H   Um, Yeah, but *I* don't care what might be in file2, if anything.  :-)H   That wasn't the question.  :-)  That step is left up to the particular   DCL programmer involved here.e  H   My intent was to show an example of the commands necessary, and not toI   solve the problem -- if you want the full solution with all the optionsoG   and all error recovery steps and such, ring up HP services and ask toiD   contract me for an on-site visit. :-)  Preference will be given toD   sites in Hawaii, San Diego or someplace else nice, of course.  :-)  D   But seriously, COPY would certainly work as a way to populate the D   contents of the file, of course, and the remainder of the sequence1   would be similar to what I posted in the reply.c  E   Also note that new versions also tend to inherent the file securityd   settings from lower versions.n    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqeN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:11:01 -0800n From: Z <Z@no.spam>n Subject: Re: Lexical to get ACL , Message-ID: <CESNd.39563$K66.28208@fe07.lga>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > :>>  CREATE file2c) > :>>  SET SECURITY/LIKE=NAME=file1 file2i > :>>  DELETE file1e > :hI > :> That would be one approach, yes, assuming there's room on the targete0 > :> volume for both "versions" of the file. ... > :  > :<confused> ?y > : 8 > :Wouldn't the  $CREATE file2  create a 0-block file2 ? > J >   Um, Yeah, but *I* don't care what might be in file2, if anything.  :-)J >   That wasn't the question.  :-)  That step is left up to the particular! >   DCL programmer involved here.l  G My confusion was RE: the statement in response to the 3 commands above  B that you must have enough space for 2 versions of the file. The ;  version will be 0 blocks.v   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 00:01:44 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)0 Subject: Re: Lexical to get ACLc2 Message-ID: <IjTNd.7357$z03.6086@news.cpqcorp.net>  B In article <CESNd.39563$K66.28208@fe07.lga>, Z <Z@no.spam> writes:H :My confusion was RE: the statement in response to the 3 commands above C :that you must have enough space for 2 versions of the file. The ; r :version will be 0 blocks.     Ayup.i  H   As for the concern, buy more disk.  Seriously.  Adding disk storage isH   comparatively cheap, and readily available -- if you are this close toL   full on your storage, then there are serious concerns over the maintenanceE   of the various file system caches including extent caches, of file M@   fragmentation, and other performance-related related concerns.  I   As a rule-of-thumb, I prefer to keep 10% of a disk spindle free, thoughpH   this number may differ (radically), depending on the relative sizes ofH   the files involved, and on the sorts of file activity patterns seen on   the particular spindle.e  G   Write and extend I/O performance on a near-full disk is comparatively8C   bad, and you regularly get to deal with the failure cases -- and fI   recovering a failure during a multi-part file update can get ugly, too.M  I   Current-generation systems generally don't generally ship with anythinghH   smaller than 18 or 36GB SCSI disks, for instance, and larger disks areG   available.  Older RZ-class SCSI StorageWorks bricks (disks) regularlybE   show up on eBay for comparatively small change -- you might end up oH   paying more for the shipping costs than for the purchase of the brick.  E   And yes, a zero-block file doesn't particularly require any serious0H   storage beyond the file header(s) and -- barring large ACLs or seriousH   file fragmentation -- generally require one block for the file header,   and one entry in a directory.e  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqmN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:28:19 -0600g2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Lexical to get ACLr+ Message-ID: <420815B3.C52CFE6E@comcast.net>a   Hoff Hoffman wrote:m > D > In article <CESNd.39563$K66.28208@fe07.lga>, Z <Z@no.spam> writes:I > :My confusion was RE: the statement in response to the 3 commands aboveoD > :that you must have enough space for 2 versions of the file. The ; > :version will be 0 blocks. > 	 >   Ayup.c > ' >   As for the concern, buy more disk. o  G Easier said than done. Worked in Corporate America lately? Tried to getaF *ANY*thing OpenVMS past the bean-counters and the Lord High Exchequer?  $ > Seriously.  Adding disk storage isJ >   comparatively cheap, and readily available -- if you are this close toN >   full on your storage, then there are serious concerns over the maintenanceF >   of the various file system caches including extent caches, of fileB >   fragmentation, and other performance-related related concerns.  E There is also serious concern about whether management sees continuedc/ investment in a "dead" platform as a wise move.   D ...but you've read that here before many times. There's certainly no* *NEED* for me to say it again (is there?).  K >   As a rule-of-thumb, I prefer to keep 10% of a disk spindle free, thoughjJ >   this number may differ (radically), depending on the relative sizes ofJ >   the files involved, and on the sorts of file activity patterns seen on >   the particular spindle.e  F ...which is fine until, for example, a 4.1GB file no longer fits on anF RZ29 (3.99GBF). Then you're screwed, unless you have some RZ1DDs among your "surplus" gear.  E ...and for the sake of my colleagues, I certainly hope THEY have somemG spare kit, since HP's current SAP snafu prevents them from shipping anyr at the moment.  I >   Write and extend I/O performance on a near-full disk is comparativelykD >   bad, and you regularly get to deal with the failure cases -- andK >   recovering a failure during a multi-part file update can get ugly, too.  > K >   Current-generation systems generally don't generally ship with anythingiJ >   smaller than 18 or 36GB SCSI disks, for instance, and larger disks areI >   available.  Older RZ-class SCSI StorageWorks bricks (disks) regularlyhF >   show up on eBay for comparatively small change -- you might end upJ >   paying more for the shipping costs than for the purchase of the brick.  D ...but then, of course, you're buying stuff for your employer out ofE your own pocket, and they certainly aren't about to reimburse you fore, something in which they see no value/future.  G >   And yes, a zero-block file doesn't particularly require any seriousEJ >   storage beyond the file header(s) and -- barring large ACLs or seriousJ >   file fragmentation -- generally require one block for the file header,! >   and one entry in a directory.l  D In a squeeze, the truncate method suggested earlier can help, maybe.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems, http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:i" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/V  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/w   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:50:43 -0500y' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>g Subject: Re: Lexical to get ACLe0 Message-ID: <110g9ob1anuig96@corp.supernews.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:n > Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > D >>In article <CESNd.39563$K66.28208@fe07.lga>, Z <Z@no.spam> writes:I >>:My confusion was RE: the statement in response to the 3 commands above D >>:that you must have enough space for 2 versions of the file. The ; >>:version will be 0 blocks. >>	 >>  Ayup.e >>' >>  As for the concern, buy more disk.   >  > I > Easier said than done. Worked in Corporate America lately? Tried to get-H > *ANY*thing OpenVMS past the bean-counters and the Lord High Exchequer?  C If things are that bad, then you either tell the idiots to run the  H business without the system, or go to plan 'B'.  How hard is it to bury ! a few bucks in an expense report?.  $ >>Seriously.  Adding disk storage isJ >>  comparatively cheap, and readily available -- if you are this close toN >>  full on your storage, then there are serious concerns over the maintenanceF >>  of the various file system caches including extent caches, of fileB >>  fragmentation, and other performance-related related concerns. >  > G > There is also serious concern about whether management sees continuedu1 > investment in a "dead" platform as a wise move.   A If it's that bad, then tell them to exercise their options.  Buy g. whatever they think isn't dead, or do without.  F > ...but you've read that here before many times. There's certainly no, > *NEED* for me to say it again (is there?). >  > K >>  As a rule-of-thumb, I prefer to keep 10% of a disk spindle free, though J >>  this number may differ (radically), depending on the relative sizes ofJ >>  the files involved, and on the sorts of file activity patterns seen on >>  the particular spindle.B >  > H > ...which is fine until, for example, a 4.1GB file no longer fits on anH > RZ29 (3.99GBF). Then you're screwed, unless you have some RZ1DDs among > your "surplus" gear.  I If your management won't spring for a 9 GB disk, then just let the thing dG die.  (Make sure you're covered with memos requesting the upgrade, and t0 hopefully their negative responses, in writing.)  G > ...and for the sake of my colleagues, I certainly hope THEY have somefI > spare kit, since HP's current SAP snafu prevents them from shipping anys > at the moment.   SAPed.  I >>  Write and extend I/O performance on a near-full disk is comparativelyiD >>  bad, and you regularly get to deal with the failure cases -- andK >>  recovering a failure during a multi-part file update can get ugly, too.u >>K >>  Current-generation systems generally don't generally ship with anythingsJ >>  smaller than 18 or 36GB SCSI disks, for instance, and larger disks areI >>  available.  Older RZ-class SCSI StorageWorks bricks (disks) regularlycF >>  show up on eBay for comparatively small change -- you might end upJ >>  paying more for the shipping costs than for the purchase of the brick. >  > F > ...but then, of course, you're buying stuff for your employer out ofG > your own pocket, and they certainly aren't about to reimburse you for . > something in which they see no value/future. >  > G >>  And yes, a zero-block file doesn't particularly require any seriouseJ >>  storage beyond the file header(s) and -- barring large ACLs or seriousJ >>  file fragmentation -- generally require one block for the file header,! >>  and one entry in a directory.n >  > F > In a squeeze, the truncate method suggested earlier can help, maybe. >   E Seriously, if they won't pay for what's needed, let the shit hit the cC fan.  Have some examples of PCs bought for individuals with 200 GB 0H disks, while the management won't spring for 1/4 of that for the system - that runs the whole company, not one desktop..   Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:12:19 GMTP" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG) Subject: new version of SYMBOL on my sitei0 Message-ID: <00A3F0C0.A5125049@SendSpamHere.ORG>  H If you use my SYMBOL utility or would like to try it out, there is a new6 version on my web site.  http://www.tmesis.com/symbol/  H This version fixes a problem when SYMBOL was installed on OpenVMS V7.3-2             --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.l --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! Y -- nK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMu   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:31:59 -0800a( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>7 Subject: OpenVMS Job opportunity in Southern Californiao/ Message-ID: <BE2D72AF.61B4%roktsci@comcast.net>a  K MTI, a leader in storage systems for over 20 years is looking for motivated J individuals who are interested in providing software support for a varietyI of storage related software products. Applicants should be well versed intK current storage and backup technologies for a wide variety of platforms and E operating systems, especially OpenVMS. The particular position we are L looking to fill would require proficiency in the OpenVMS Operating system asL well as one or more of the following; UNIX, Linux and/or Windows. BackgroundI in Networking, SAN/NAS storage systems, Oracle and or MS Exchange serverso are a big plus.n  K MTI is a world-wide company with corporate offices located in Orange County-E in Southern California. The position would be in the Tustin Corporate0H office. The position would be supporting MTI's OpenVMS suite of software2 products roughly 25% to 33% of the time initially.  B If you are interested, please send your cover letter and resume to VMSSupport@mti.com.    http://support.mti.com http://www.mti.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:32:17 -0600-( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)? Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COMjc1 Message-ID: <05020716321719@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>e   David J Dachtera  K > Well, o.k., but I'm still wondering why a reboot differs from a shutdown.p > Either way, everything stops.@  L True - however a REBOOT is typicall of ECO patches, etc., whereas a shutdownN may imply hardware upgrades or configuration.  In addition knowing the averageM time required for a reboot helps us plan future reboots.  A shutdown does notw- as it may be down for one hour or 20 minutes.o  
 A preference.b     John "REBOOT" Brandon> VMS Systems AdministratorR* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:44:19 -0600s2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>? Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COMj + Message-ID: <42081972.28FD9138@comcast.net>l   John Brandon wrote:d >  > David J Dachtera > M > > Well, o.k., but I'm still wondering why a reboot differs from a shutdown. ! > > Either way, everything stops.P > N > True - however a REBOOT is typicall of ECO patches, etc., whereas a shutdownP > may imply hardware upgrades or configuration.  In addition knowing the average; > time required for a reboot helps us plan future reboots. a  # Very near the top of SYSHUTDWN.COM:a  * $ COPY NLA0: SYS$MANAHER:SHUTDOWN_FLAG.DAT  ' Very near the end of SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM:   & $ FSP := SYS$MANAGER:SHUTDOWN_FLAG.DAT $ IF	F$SEARCH( FSP ) .NES. ""i $ THEN $	NOW = F$CVTIME( ,, "TIME" )  $	THEN = F$FILE( FSP, "CDT" ) 0 $	DURATN = F$CVTIME( "''NOW'-''THEN'",, "TIME" )9 $	WRITE SYS$OUTPUT " Approx. Downtime Duration: ", DURATNf $	DELETE 'FSP';* $ ENDIF    If you include:   % $ DEFINE SYS$OUTPUT SYSTARTUP_VMS.LOGe  # ...at the top of SYSTARTUP_VMS and b   $ DEASSIGN SYS$OUTPUTd  H ...near the end, you'll have a record log of every boot, and therefore aG record of your outages. You'll know when you were shutdown and when youiD just rebooted (won't you?) so you can process the times manually and( develop an overview of your experiences.   > A shutdown does notr/ > as it may be down for one hour or 20 minutes.a >  > A preference.r  A O.k., I guess. Seems a lot to go through to collect such a simple D statistic. Just gather the data. Short durations are likely reboots.B Longer durations are likely planned outages (the file gets deletedE during SYSTARTUP_VMS, so there's be no duration report from a restart  after a crash).    -- o David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:s" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/-   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2005 11:09:33 -0800c! From: chessmaster1010@hotmail.com & Subject: setting up a LAT forward portC Message-ID: <1107803373.350724.263130@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>o  F We have applications that read or write data to/from serial ports thatG were migrated to use LAT terminal server ports years ago.  The programsdF that transfer the data know nothing about the LAT protocol itself, andD I would prefer to keep them that way for portabilitity concerns.  WeD have DCL scripts that uses LATCP to pre-create application ports andF assign them the appropiate target service and target node. We ALLOCATEC the LTAxx: device in DCL and then run a separate setup program thattE just does a IO$_TTY_PORT!I$M_LT_CONNECT  $QIOW call and exits.  SincecG the device is allocated the connection remains and the LTAxx: device isr6 ready for the application program to read/write to it.  E This all works well, but because we're using LAT application ports wetF have to specify a target node, not just a target service.  This leavesD us vulnerable if one particular terminal server goes down.  We wouldE like the process to be able to connet to any terminal server offeringg the data service.o  A To specify a target service without a target node I need to use a-F forward LAT port (outgoing LAT).  There is a program example on how toF create and use a  forward LAT port in the I/O User's reference manual.E The problem is there seems to be no easy way to create and assign therE port in a setup program before running a separate application program>$ that reads/writes to a forward port.  ? LATCP will not create a forward port.  You have to clone one byOE assigning a channel to LTA0:.  I can write a setup program to do this C and it can even set the target service and make the connection, but9F when the program exits the channel is deassigned and the LTAxx: deviceE is immediately deleted.  Using SYS$ALLOC to allocate he LTAxx: deviceOG doesn't help because it's only allocated in user-mode so that goes awaysC too when the program exits.  Spawning an ALLOCATE command while theaC program has a channel assigned to the device just returns a "device ! allocated to another user" error.e  A I have even tried to create the forward port from DCL itself withlD "OPEN/READ/WRITE LATPORT LTA0:".  I was hoping I could then ALLOCATEG LATPORT,  CLOSE LATPORT, run LATCP and/or a setup program to assign thecC target service and make the connection.  This approach almost worksnG except for a very strange DCL bug (I see it under VMS 6.2 and VMS 7.2). A  When you do the above OPEN command in DCL the LATPORT logical isl created, for example:d   $ show logical latport2    "LATPORT" = "_NODEA$LTA120" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)   But that device never exists:I $ mcr latcp show port lta120:i3 %LAT-W-CMDERROR, error reported by command executori- -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device availabler  E The device that is actually created by the DCL OPEN command is alwaysW? one unit number higher than the device name returned in the DCL  logical: $ mcr latcp show port lta121  > Local Port Name:   _LTA121:          Local Port Type:  Forward (NonQueued)u Local Port State:  Inactivec Connected Link:,  9  Target Port Name:                      Actual Port Name:s9  Target Node Name:                      Actual Node Name:e<  Target Service Name:                   Actual Service Name:  F I guess what I would really like is an easy way to ALLOCATE the LTAxx:F device in supervisor mode from a  program but there seems to be no APIB for this like there is for LIB$SET_LOGICAL, and I'd rather not use SYS$CMEXEC if I don't have to.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:53:48 -0500t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> * Subject: Re: setting up a LAT forward portB Message-ID: <1107812543.f32470133b00f024ac7c7b602ac3ff02@teranews>  " chessmaster1010@hotmail.com wrote:G > The problem is there seems to be no easy way to create and assign thedG > port in a setup program before running a separate application programo& > that reads/writes to a forward port.  C My initial reaction is to suggest you write a small shareable imageuD which is called by your main program and which does the LAT specificU stuff and returns the channel which your application program then uses transparently.s  F This would require one change. From then on, you could make changes toB the LAT side by changing your shareable image and your application wouldn't need to be changed.  F This way, the port would be connected from within your application (asC opposed to being done prior to yoru application starting) and wouldaD eliminate the problem you are having of a lat connect not "sticking"$ between two separate images running.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:26:28 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>e9 Subject: Re: Setup of LN05 Laser on VMS v5.1 without DCPS B Message-ID: <1107810909.383dbb6f7754440bf641b13dd9a6cd58@teranews>  
 Nessie wrote:mC > We are trying to install a LN05 (Declaser LA2100) printer with nos8 > manual supplied, to replace a printronix line printer.    5 Do you know if it has a postscript option installed ?e   try:   SET HOST/DTE <serial port:>.  1 then type (carefully, because it won't be echoed)r   <CTRL D>+ (Hello world\n) print flush  <press return>     > If you see "hello world" it means it is a postscript printer. F If you do not see anything, then press <CTRL L> which should cause the printer to eject a page with n1 "(Hello world\n) print flush" on top of the page.t  F If you do not have postscript, then the printer behaves very much like an LN03 printer.S http://vt100.net/emu/ctrlseq_dec.html  may be a starting point on escape sequences.n  G In such a case, you can simply create a queue with the standard defaultc print symbiont.o  H You can use SYS$SYSTEM:SYSDEVCTL.TLB to store setup modules that contain" standard escape sequences you use.    G A note: your printer may not have sufficient memory to have a full page C bitmap image (sizel). But if it does, you can use utilities such asIF ghostscript or the old DECPRINT POSTSCRIPT TO SIXEL utility to convertN prostscript files to full page sizel which can then be printed on the printer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:18:26 -0500T- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>a) Subject: Simple copy question (RMS-E-FEX) B Message-ID: <1107828411.fdb73d26248fff7befbf4ec4f3bd90ab@teranews>  	 $SHOW DEFp $DISK4:[JFMEZEI.XVIEWLIB]p  - $COPY SYS$LIBRARY:TPU$MOTIFSHR.EXE []temp.exeu  H It fails with "file already exists, not superceded" message (RMS-E-FEX).  > Temp.exe;1 does exist. But why didn't the above command create temp.exe;2 ????   # specifying "[]temp.exe;"  did work.a  H What is it in the file specification of the first command that caused itG to fail ? It seems I have often used a similar command without problem.a  " (copy is not defined as a symbol).   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:17:38 -0500: From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <hein@Hewlett-Packard.com>- Subject: Re: Simple copy question (RMS-E-FEX)7, Message-ID: <42084c8a$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message< news:1107828411.fdb73d26248fff7befbf4ec4f3bd90ab@teranews... > $SHOW DEFi > $DISK4:[JFMEZEI.XVIEWLIB]n >,/ > $COPY SYS$LIBRARY:TPU$MOTIFSHR.EXE []temp.exet >eJ > It fails with "file already exists, not superceded" message (RMS-E-FEX).  / Somehow, somewhere a version number is decided.v2 Probably through a logical name / Installed image?H It this a 'know file', known file processing is stopped with an explicit version number.o  D Why not give us a full error message from COPY /LOG? Something like:3 $COPY SYS$LIBRARY:TPU$MOTIFSHR.EXE []temp.exe;1/logl< %COPY-E-OPENOUT, error opening U$1:[XXX]TEMP.EXE;1 as output/ -RMS-E-FEX, file already exists, not superseded C %COPY-W-NOTCOPIED, SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]TPU$MOTIFSHR.EXE;1 not copieda  K I would also try SET WATCH FILE/CLAS =MAJOR to get a grasp of what might bec going on= (needs CMKRNL. Clear with logout, or SET WATC FILE/CLA=NONE )p   fwiw,  Hein.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 00:49:32 -0500y( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>- Subject: Re: Simple copy question (RMS-E-FEX) = Message-ID: <m9ednUWcbNhzz5XfRVn-2A@metrocastcablevision.com>e   JF Mezei wrote:  > $SHOW DEFt > $DISK4:[JFMEZEI.XVIEWLIB]n > / > $COPY SYS$LIBRARY:TPU$MOTIFSHR.EXE []temp.exe  > J > It fails with "file already exists, not superceded" message (RMS-E-FEX). > @ > Temp.exe;1 does exist. But why didn't the above command create > temp.exe;2 ????a > % > specifying "[]temp.exe;"  did work." > J > What is it in the file specification of the first command that caused itI > to fail ? It seems I have often used a similar command without problem.   G Could it be something as trivial as COPY using the resultant string of nB the input file as the default string for the output file (as your G experiment using ';' on the output side might suggest)?  You could try nA different inputs, some of whose version numbers collided with an r@ existing output filespec and others of which did not, to obtain G additional implicit evidence of this (or just get someone to glance at  
 the code...).i   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:08:30 -0500f- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>s- Subject: Re: Simple copy question (RMS-E-FEX)aB Message-ID: <1107842192.81788220041b56552f5739bd51ea3024@teranews>   Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote:1 > Somehow, somewhere a version number is decided.a4 > Probably through a logical name / Installed image?  % Nop. I realised what what happening. n  H I used the doubleclick method to paste the source filename into the copyA command. And that included the version number of the source file.a  . copy sys$library:TPU$MOTIFSHR.EXE;1 []temp.exe  H And that fails because, since there is an explicit version number in theF source, and none in the target, the target inherits the version numberD of the source, and hence, it tries to copy to temp.exe;1 which fails  because the file already exists.  F So what this means is that if you specify a source version number, you@ must supply a target version number (of just a ;) to prevent theQ source's version info from being used to construct the target file specification.r  H Logical but confusing, especially in a decterm environment where copying0 full file names to construct commands is common.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2005 16:09:56 -0800  From: bob@instantwhip.come1 Subject: Why aren't more universities doing this?mC Message-ID: <1107821396.025828.137400@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>o  A http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=05/02/07/1720316n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:47:08 -0600-2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>5 Subject: Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?e+ Message-ID: <42081A1C.206731AD@comcast.net>    Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > E > In article <1107821396.025828.137400@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,a! >     bob@instantwhip.com writes:  > E > > http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=05/02/07/1720316d > >c > D >   (article about an Italian university that got some free kit from/ > HP to port open source applications to VMS )." > G >    Probably because that's not where the faculty interest lies. Since-G > they don't teach VMS their students aren't too likely to want to takes > on porting projects to VMS.i > F >   Having said that, if I had any idea how to find out the details ofE > how to access the program I'd be glad to pass the information on tom+ > the CS faculty. Anybody got any pointers?t   Try your local ambassador(s)?i  ! Send a private inquiry to Sue S.?B   Drop a note to Mark G.?-   -- V David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:r" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/e   Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:20:42 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>j5 Subject: Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?r, Message-ID: <M5adnT9Wpb9ivJXfRVn-gQ@igs.net>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:C > http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=05/02/07/1720316r      J The entire program was flawed from the start - launched nearly a year ago,J the University of Turn is one of perhaps 2-3 educational institutions thatL decided to participate - a far cry from the 20 or so that HP wanted to have.  L Think about it....how many universities are going to give a course credit to) a student for porting open source to VMS?v  G I have repeatedly asked HP to *fund* a dedicated team of under-employeduE experienced VMS developers to port the top 5 open source apps in eachuL category (however that's defined is up for discussion) which currently don'tJ have VMS versions. How much could that cost? ...a few million dollars.....H chicken feed in the whole scheme of things...maybe 200 apps in 1 year inH addition to those from commercial ISV's. A dedicated open-source portingL team is far better than relying on students in academia who have Okotberfest/ and girlfriends to attend to when not in class.   J I, and others, are trying to convince HP to provide direct funding to portD community identified important open source apps to VMS, ie. possiblyD establish a non-for-profit umbrella which co-ordinates the hiring ofH peer-reviewed under-employed skilled, experienced VMS developers to workK full-time on porting apps to VMS, whether it is tools needed to build othereF open source apps, or the apps themselves. This would be in addition toL continued volunteer effort on the same projects.The hired programmers aren'tE going to get rich, but it would certainly be better than unemploymentiK benefits, or no income at all, and these full-time developers (even if they,J are full time just for several months here and there) will be able to help$ these projects make faster progress.  = Dspace, Firebird are just a couple I'd like to see available.m  L But in some respects HP can't be seen doing that because it will offend someH ISV's even though doing so is one of the best ways to jump-start the VMS applications portfolio again.b  F I think of applications I used to use that aren't available on VMS anyE longer - not open source but if VMS had any market share....Lindo andII C-Plex - linear/non-linear optimization packages, just to name two - goneh@ from VMS....lots of others too - even though those packages were7 born/developed/sold on VMS often exclusively for years.3    J I could *almost* forgive HP for not wanting to sell Alpha/VMS these past 3C years because each server sold obligated HP to real money on serverVK trade-ins to IA64 machines now, but all this did was further convince ISV's C that VMS was on the way out because HP was not *SEEN* promoting VMSI	 publicly.     % So now we have IA64/VMS launched.....s  K I have heard no commitment to funding of ANY advertising/marketing campaignc for VMS, have you?  K I don't understand why printers & PC's get all the advertising and VMS getseJ none. I don't know why Marcello/Gorham can't seem to get funding for it or whether they even push for it.  H Please note that the flurry of press releases over the period around theJ Jan. 18th webcast does not constitute advertising, and barely consititutes
 marketing.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.077 ************************