0 INFO-VAX	Tue, 08 Feb 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 78      Contents:* AS4100 with AS1200 CPUs... is it possible?. Re: AS4100 with AS1200 CPUs... is it possible?. Re: AS4100 with AS1200 CPUs... is it possible?. Re: AS4100 with AS1200 CPUs... is it possible?. Re: AS4100 with AS1200 CPUs... is it possible?* AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help. Re: AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questions Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questions0 Re: DECW$SESSION Limits... won't start new tasks" Re: Fonts used by an application ?" Re: Fonts used by an application ?# Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion % HP to hire 200 for Boise sales center ) Re: HP to hire 200 for Boise sales center ) Re: HP to hire 200 for Boise sales center ; Re: IBM "Cell" chip - was Re: Curly soon to be out of a job ; Re: IBM "Cell" chip - was Re: Curly soon to be out of a job - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... - Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... # Re: Is there a FAQ for this group ? ! OT- Like IBM stock when it was $1 % Re: OT- Like IBM stock when it was $1 ; Re: Purchasing Justifications (was: Re: Lexical to get ACL) 6 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COMj$ Re: Simple copy question (RMS-E-FEX)( Re: TestDrive update - Binary Translator Re: VAX 4000 m500A problem, Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?, Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?, Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?, Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?5 Re: [On and OT] HP to hire 200 for Boise sales center   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:49:06 GMT  From: "gl :)" <gl@decadence.it> 3 Subject: AS4100 with AS1200 CPUs... is it possible? 9 Message-ID: <pan.2005.02.08.11.49.06.194994@decadence.it>    Hello everybody! :)   J I've been donated two alphaserver 4100 racmount chassis completed with allB parts (backplanes, power regulation module and power supplies) but without memory and CPUs.C Since I would like to get back working one of these beast, I bought F through ebay some memory modules for alphaserver 4100 and two matchingI 533Mhz CPUs which later I discovered to be built for AS1200 (B3007 cards)   G The machine powers up, but it doesn't display anything on the LCD panel E (and it doesn't output nothing on serial connected VT520 at 9600 8N1) I I changed the LCD panel with the one from the other server and it doesn't J work too. From the back, I can see all leds in the power regulation moduleB lighting in good working state as listed in the AS4100 user guide.2 Leds light on CPU cards in good working state too.   Now my question...I is it possible to put AS1200 CPUs in AS4100 or is it a task with no hope?   F It basically should be the same architecture in AS4100 and AS1200 so I; thought the CPUs should work, but they *doesn't*... sigh...   D If the second case, does anybody have some AS4100 CPUs to trade with AS1200 CPUs?? :))))    Thanks everybody!    bye  gl :)   - PS: ...and please forgive my bad english! :))    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2005 05:24:02 -0800  From: bill@wcschmidt.com7 Subject: Re: AS4100 with AS1200 CPUs... is it possible? B Message-ID: <1107869042.922213.58330@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  C The CPU's are not interchangable see for the listed CPU Options for  AS4100  ] http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/options/as4100/as4100_0_options_sorted.html#OptListHead    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:58:32 -0500= From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@nfw-invalid.cibtrikker.com> 7 Subject: Re: AS4100 with AS1200 CPUs... is it possible? , Message-ID: <kaednWDYB9wyfJXfRVn-gg@dls.net>  & <bill@wcschmidt.com> wrote in message < news:1107869042.922213.58330@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...E > The CPU's are not interchangable see for the listed CPU Options for  > AS4100 > _ > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/options/as4100/as4100_0_options_sorted.html#OptListHead  >   L I have one of each system.  The cards for the 4100 have an extender that is G screwed onto it to make them "taller" and lock into the cage.  I would  K suspect that there is no real requirement that they be "locked".  The CPUs  J could work perfectly well, perhaps someone from HP with the exact details  can chime in here.   -John    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:25:14 GMT  From: "gl :)" <gl@decadence.it> 7 Subject: Re: AS4100 with AS1200 CPUs... is it possible? 9 Message-ID: <pan.2005.02.08.18.25.12.696355@decadence.it>   4 Il Tue, 08 Feb 2005 05:24:02 -0800, bill ha scritto:E > The CPU's are not interchangable see for the listed CPU Options for  > AS4100_ > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/options/as4100/as4100_0_options_sorted.html#OptListHead   
 Hello Bill  E thanks for the hint, the page would be useful to search for the right  CPUs. I do you know if it is possible to run VMS with hobbyist license on Unix or  NT CPU options?   
 thanks again!  gl :)    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:36:05 GMT  From: "gl :)" <gl@decadence.it> 7 Subject: Re: AS4100 with AS1200 CPUs... is it possible? 8 Message-ID: <pan.2005.02.08.18.36.05.83378@decadence.it>  C Il Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:58:32 -0500, John Gemignani, Jr. ha scritto: N > I have one of each system.  The cards for the 4100 have an extender that is I > screwed onto it to make them "taller" and lock into the cage.  I would  M > suspect that there is no real requirement that they be "locked".  The CPUs  L > could work perfectly well, perhaps someone from HP with the exact details  > can chime in here.   Hello :)< Have you ever tried to swap CPUs between AS1200 and AS4100 ?   thanks!  gl :)    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2005 05:55:28 -0800  From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com 3 Subject: AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help C Message-ID: <1107870928.247207.107360@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   " We have an AXP 150.  We are trying' to upgrade the disk drives to a Quantum 	 VP 32210.     I have tried to restore an image  on the Quantum drive,  but I get a bug check during the verify  phase.  I figured disk might  be done in spite of the bugcheck since the writing is complete  when the verify phase begins.    But, I cannot boot on the disk.  Also I cannot mount the disk,  except via mount/for.  If  I use mount, it tells me the disk is offline.  " One guess is that I need to update  my firmware to use these drives.  But I am having trouble figuring out if I am at the current rev, " since the console and the firmware& site seem to use different identifiers& for firmware revisions.   The firmware# web site has version 2.2 available.   % When I do a show config on my system, % it lists AXP firmware version 370 VMS ! PAL x5.48.  The release notes for ! version 2.2 on the web site seems # to imply that show config with show # version 370 after the upgrade, so I & don't know if I need go to the trouble to upgrade the firmware.  ! Any ideas or information would be  helpful.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:04:18 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 7 Subject: Re: AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help 2 Message-ID: <Ca7Od.7423$Os3.6233@news.cpqcorp.net>  _ In article <1107870928.247207.107360@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com writes: K :We have an AXP 150.  We are trying to upgrade the disk drives to a Quantum 
 :VP 32210.  I   The DEC 2000 model 300 AXP series platform has an exceedingly sensitive I   SCSI configuration, and the Adaptec 1740/1742 controller will typically J   only operate with the bus either entirely within or entirely outside theF   box; the SCSI must be short, and carefully and correctly terminated.G   There are also specific ROM requirements for the controller -- G.1 is D   the only SCSI firmware revision that will work with OpenVMS, IIRC.H   (The configurations that were sold and supported were carefully testedG   for correct operations.)  On a related matter -- if/when you get this F   configuration to work to your satisfaction -- I would also look veryJ   carefully at the device cooling requirements for the enclosure involved,H   as there are cases where newer disks will slowly cook within the olderG   enclosures, this due to cooling below thermal requirements of certain )   newer (and specifically, hotter) disks.   B :I have tried to restore an image on the Quantum drive,  but I getD :a bug check during the verify phase.  I figured disk might be done @ :in spite of the bugcheck since the writing is complete when the :verify phase begins.   G   That the bugcheck occurs points to a software or to a hardware error. F   In either case, I would not particularly trust the results.  I wouldE   look for ECO kits for whatever OpenVMS Alpha version is in use, and C   -- as I am not particularly familiar with the specified disk -- I D   would check the disk-related information in the FAQ for relevence.E   The FAQ has details on the largest permissible disks for various of D   the OpenVMS releases and platforms, and ECOs that can be required.  + :Any ideas or information would be helpful.   D   There isn't a particularly good solution for adding storage beyondA   the baseline DEC 2000 model 300 (and DEC 2000 model 500) series D   systems, nor for the closely-related DECpc 150 AXP series platformB   that was sold for and licensed for use with Microsoft Windows NTA   Alpha.  The largest supported devices are listed in the Systems A   and Options Catalog (SOC) entry for the platform, and there are ;   pointers to the SOC website available in the OpenVMS FAQ.   C   Given the age and the configuration restrictions, I would tend to B   look at replacing the platform with a newer used system, or withA   an rx2600 series platform or similar.  These will permit larger B   configurations, and have support for far larger storage options.  2   Not the answer you want to hear, I know.  Sorry.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2005 06:46:37 -0800  From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com # Subject: Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questions C Message-ID: <1107873997.074717.176430@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Dave Froble wrote: > tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote:2 > > I am replacing disks on a system with a broken > > tape drive.  > > 2 > > The new disk is twice the capacity of the old. > > 1 gig to 2 gig, I think. > 2 > These are rather small disks, today.  No issues. > 0 > > Is there any problem with using BACKUP/IMAGE. > > for a disk to disk copy in this situation? > / > You don't mention whether it's a system disk.  > E > Assuming that you're copying a system disk, you can do it while the G > system is running, or, if you have the drive and CD, running from the    > distribution media.  > G > If you do it while the system is running, be sure that no activity is   D > taking place on the system, no users, no batch jobs, etc, and even@ > shuting down the queue stuff won't hurt, but with no activity,	 shouldn't B > make a difference.  Shutting down networking could also be done. > > > Should you wish different/better clustersize and file header; > pre-allocation, you can first INITIALIZE the target disk:  > B > INIT /SYSTEM /HEADER=?? /CLUSTERSIZE=?? .MAXIMUM_FILES=?? DISK2: DISK2  > E > Note, for a 2 GB disk, I'd just use a clustersize of 1.  A bit more F > overhead, but no wasted blocks.  If you do this, and the source disk has G > a larger clustersize, the files will copy with the unused blocks.  To   : > avoid this, use the /TRUNCATE switch on the target disk. > E > One thing to consider is whether you have any files marked NOBACKUP  onE > the source disk.  The page, swap, and dump files are normally setup  thisC > way, but they don't contain any relavent data.  If you have other  files,G > with relavent data, then to copy the data use /IGNORE=NOBACKUP.  It's   E > been a while, but I think that this might cause a copy of the page, G > swap, and dupm files, a useless exercise.  An alternative would be to   D > find any other files marked NOBACKUP and remove that status before > copying the disk.  >  > The following may wrap.  > C > BACKUP /IMAGE /NOINIT /NOALIAS /IGNORE=(INTERLOCK,NOBACKUP,LABEL) ! > /VERIFY DISK1: DISK2: /TRUNCATE  >  > > Should I use /NOALIAS? >  > For a system disk, yes.   ? After I restore the disk with IMAGE/BACK, I cannot boot from it  or mount it non-foreign.  @ I did not use /NOALIAS or /NOINIT.  I ended up using my standard; tape to disk restore procedure that I have used before. (We E added an external tape drive to work around the broken internal one.)   / Also, I get a bug check during the verify step.   : I suspect that this is a hardware compatibility problem (I; posted a separate message about this under a new topic).  I > am trying figure out if I am at the current firmware rev.  TheA web site list version 2.2 as the firmware and the console reports @ Version 370.  In the web site release note for version 2.2 I get= the impression that it report version 370 after is it loaded.    I am not sure what to do now.    > 1 > > There is something in HELP BACKUP/IMAGE about 0 > > preservation of the cluster factor.  Is that+ > > a problem in this situation, going to a  > > larger disk. > > > If you don't use the /NOINIT switch, the target disk will beE > re-initialized to match the source disk.  You may or may not desire  this.  > . > > Can I copy from the live system disk using- > > BACKUP/IMAGE?  If not, I can boot off the  > > CD.  > >  > G > Either, as long as nothing is running on the system.  If you can shut  it9 > down and boot from the CD, that is the approved method.  >  > Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:07:57 GMT - From: hoffman@xdelta.hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) # Subject: Re: BACKUP/IMAGE questions 2 Message-ID: <1e7Od.7424$Os3.3863@news.cpqcorp.net>  _ In article <1107873997.074717.176430@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com writes: ; :I suspect that this is a hardware compatibility problem (I : :posted a separate message about this under a new topic).   D   The system involved is the DEC 2000 model 300 or model 500 series,@   also known as the DECpc 150 AXP series when configured for theB   Microsoft Windows NT Alpha software, and the thread is entitled:  .     AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help  *   I've posted a response to that thread.    C   When posting, details on the configuration and the version can be D   helpful -- there are aspects of the DEC 2000 model 300 series thatD   are entirely germaine here, and that largely trump the discussions   in this thread.   2   Do read my reply in the other thread, of course.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2005 01:37:59 -0800  From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk 9 Subject: Re: DECW$SESSION Limits... won't start new tasks C Message-ID: <1107855479.436670.247360@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   D > I had one or two application set to run as a subprocess instead of? > detached. At one point, starting one would result it it being 	 "pending" E > in the Work in Porgress panel, UNTIL I quite another one , at which $ > point the pending one would start. > F > But eventually, everything became pending, except for apps that wereC > already declared as detached. (one couldn't even get to the "..."  config1 > for a specific app to declare it as "detached".  > E > At that point, fileview still worked fine, since it seems to run as  partE > of the session manager process. I could see decw$session's working,  its   > working set in increasing etc. > ' > This session lasted for over 85 days.  > F > However, since this is on VAX, does it really matter if I find a bug orF > provide you with better description of what causes the memory leak ? Are 2 > you guy still allowed to provide updates to it ?  F Thank-you for the information. It sounds like there is a simple memoryG leak somewhere, it wouldn't have to be large to cause problems after 85 E days! I'll log it in the internal bugs notes conference, it shouldn't . be too hard to locate using the heap analyzer.  B I can't comment on what plans for future VAX releases there may be since I don't make those plans.    Martin Kirby   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2005 01:41:13 -0800  From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk + Subject: Re: Fonts used by an application ? B Message-ID: <1107855673.094530.60120@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote: ? > I am trying to figure out exactly which font TPU uses for its 
 decwindowsD > version, in particular the font which displays control characters. > G > I've looked inside the tpu$motif_shr.exe image, the UID, UIL and .DAT % > files and found no valid font name.  > - > Where else could the font names be hidden ?  > E > Since TPU clearly changes the font used in the text display to have F > control characters "displayed", shouldn't some file contain the name of8 > the font it uses to display those special characters ?  C My guess is it uses the default font and uses the "special" charset E within that font. That charset is defined in the X protocol so should E generally be available. I had a quick look at the source listings but  couldn't find anything.   C It is also possible that EVE has some means of specifying the font, < e.g. in the section file, and it is not TPU that defines it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 06:18:05 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: Fonts used by an application ? B Message-ID: <1107860803.2a3a9b14d4653692862ed69a5e95abdb@teranews>    martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk wrote:E > My guess is it uses the default font and uses the "special" charset  > within that font.   H To do it this way, wouldn't one have to create a font list that containsD a character-set/font combination ? If So, this data should have been1 visible in the images and sections I looked into.   E X font specifications tend to be very obvious in an executable image.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:01:43 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>, Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion2 Message-ID: <XK2Od.7393$Ql3.6552@news.cpqcorp.net>  K If you look very closely (and I mean it) you will see something like "Bezel L and Rails" - but it is not in the place where it says description.  If fact,5 I think its in one of the first pages you go through.   J BTW - I went all the way to the point of having it in my cart and ready to	 purchase.     , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A3F0B6.FF7BD027@SendSpamHere.ORG...: > In article <00A3F0B5.F5A09CF1@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: = > >In article <QFLNd.7292$WP6.4366@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" $ <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: > >>K > >>Go to hp.com and click on servers.  Then type in A6939A in the "search"  box.J > >>Then click on the product overview.  It shows that the part is $75 and ships  > >>in6 > >>2-3 weeks (it gave me a ship estimate of 2/28/05). > > E > >THANKS*e+06 Fred.  I'm almost there but the [Add to Cart>>] button  doesn't  > >work. > K > BTW, there's no description of the contents of this kit.  Does is contain " > the rx2600 bezel, end caps, etc. > K > If I place an order for this, I want to be assured that it is indeed what K > I need because if ordering a part is such a royal pain in the arse, I can L > only guess that returning the wrong part would make the ordering seem like > a walk through the park. >  > --  > > http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security? >                       solutions that others only claim to be.  > --  . > Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:E >   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software  product! > --  2 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:50:29 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com. Subject: HP to hire 200 for Boise sales centerQ Message-ID: <OFD2EC0288.B8A34A7E-ON85256FA2.004BEB5F-85256FA2.004C19F1@metso.com>   L DQoNCg0KDQpGZWJydWFyeSA3LCAyMDA1DQoNCg0KSFAgdG8gaGlyZSAyMDAgZm9yIEJvaXNlIHNhL bGVzIGNlbnRlcg0KDQoNCkJPSVNFLCBJZGFobyAtIEhld2xldHQtUGFja2FyZCB3aWxsIG9wZW4gL YSBuZXcgb25saW5lIHNhbGVzIGNhbGwgY2VudGVyDQpoZXJlIHRoaXMgZmFsbCwgd2l0aCBwbGFuL cyB0byBoaXJlIDIwMCBwZW9wbGUuDQoNCg0KRHVyaW5nIHRoZSBuZXh0IGZldyB3ZWVrcywgSFAgL d2lsbCBwb3N0IG9ubGluZSBhcHBsaWNhdGlvbnMgZm9yIHNhbGVzLA0Kc2FsZXMgbGVhZHMsIHNhL bGVzIG1hbmFnZXJzLCB3b3JrIGZvcmNlIG1hbmFnZXJzLCB0cmFpbmVycyBhbmQgcHJvZHVjdA0KL ZXhwZXJ0cy4gVGhlIHBvc2l0aW9ucyB3aWxsIHBheSBtb3JlIHRoYW4gJDE1IGFuIGhvdXIgcGx1L cyBiZW5lZml0cywNCmFjY29yZGluZyB0byBIUC4NCg0KDQpIUCBvZmZpY2lhbHMgc2FpZCB0aGV5L IGNob3NlIEJvaXNlIGJlY2F1c2Ugb2YgaXRzIGVzdGFibGlzaGVkIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uDQphbmQgL Y29tbXVuaWNhdGlvbiBuZXR3b3Jrcywgc3RhdGUgdGF4IGluY2VudGl2ZXMsIHByb3hpbWl0eSB0L byBjb3Jwb3JhdGUNCmhlYWRxdWFydGVycyBpbiBTdW5ueXZhbGUsIENhbGlmLiwgSFAncyBlc3RhL Ymxpc2hlZCBwcmVzZW5jZSBpbiBJZGFobywgYQ0Kc3VwcG9ydCBwcm9ncmFtIGF0IEJvaXNlIFN0L YXRlIGFuZCBsb2NhbCBqb2IgdGFsZW50Lg0KDQoNCkhQIHJlY2VpdmVkIHN0YXRlIHRheCBpbmNlL bnRpdmVzLCBpbmNsdWRpbmcgam9iIHRyYWluaW5nIGNyZWRpdC4NCg0KDQpUaGUgbmV3IGNhbGwgL Y2VudGVyIHdpbGwgZ28gaW50byBhbiBleGlzdGluZyBidWlsZGluZyB0aGF0IGZvcm1lcmx5IGhvL dXNlZA0KYW4gSFAgdGVjaG5pY2FsIHN1cHBvcnQgY2VudGVyIHRoYXQgd2FzIGxhdGVyIG1vdmVkL Lg0KDQoNCkhQ4oCZcyBvbmxpbmUgc2FsZXMgc3Vic2lkaWFyeSwgd3d3Lmhwc2hvcHBpbmcuY29tL LCBoYXMgb25lIGNhbGwgY2VudGVyIGluDQpOb3ZhIFNjb3RpYSwgQ2FuYWRhLiBUaGUgY29tcGFuL eSBkZWNpZGVkIHRvIGV4cGFuZCBpdHMgb25saW5lIHNhbGVzDQpkaXZpc2lvbiBiZWNhdXNlIGl0L IGhhcyBoYWQgc3RlYWR5IGdyb3d0aCBkdXJpbmcgdGhlIHBhc3QgZmV3IHllYXJzLA0KY29tcGFuL eSBleGVjdXRpdmVzIHNhaWQuDQoNCg0KVGhlIG5ldyBjYWxsIGNlbnRlciBlbXBsb3llZXMgd2lsL bCBiZSBoaXJlZCBkdXJpbmcgdGhlIG5leHQgMTggbW9udGhzLg0KRW1wbG95ZWVzIHdpbGwgYW5zL d2VyIGN1c3RvbWVyIHBob25lIGNhbGxzIGFuZCB0cnkgdG8gbWF0Y2ggdGhlbSB3aXRoDQphcHByL b3ByaWF0ZSBwcm9kdWN0cy4NCg0KDQpUaGUgY2FsbCBjZW50ZXIgd2lsbCBoYXZlIHRocmVlIGxhL cmdlIHRyYWluaW5nIGNsYXNzcm9vbXMgYW5kIGEgZGVtbyByb29tDQpmdWxsIG9mIGRpZmZlcmVuL dCBIUCBwcm9kdWN0cyBzbyBlbXBsb3llZXMgY2FuIGZhbWlsaWFyaXplIHRoZW1zZWx2ZXMgd2l0L aA0Kd2hhdCB0aGV5J3JlIHNlbGxpbmcuDQoNCg0KQWJvdXQgNywwMDAgdG8gOCwwMDAgcGVvcGxlL IHdvcmsgYXQgYnVzaW5lc3MgdHJhbnNhY3Rpb24gY2VudGVycyBpbiB0aGUNCkJvaXNlIGFyZWEsD IGFjY29yZGluZyB0byB0aGUgQm9pc2UgTWV0cm8gQ2hhbWJlciBvZiBDb21tZXJjZS4=   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:08:39 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> 2 Subject: Re: HP to hire 200 for Boise sales center+ Message-ID: <cuarmn$r8v$1@naig.caltech.edu>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:    > K > HP officials said they chose Boise because of its established information J > and communication networks, state tax incentives, proximity to corporateJ > headquarters in Sunnyvale, Calif., HP's established presence in Idaho, a6 > support program at Boise State and local job talent.  6 Proximity to Sunnyvale??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????  D According to Mapquest it's 673 miles from Sunnyvale to Boise by car.C Apparently it seems like less from the window of the corporate jet.   L > The new call center will go into an existing building that formerly housed6 > an HP technical support center that was later moved.  F Probably to Mumbai.  Or out of existence.  It hardly matters which to - the people who used to work in that building.   H > The new call center employees will be hired during the next 18 months.G > Employees will answer customer phone calls and try to match them with  > appropriate products.   ; You've got to love the honesty there: "..try (sic) to match $ them with the appropriate products."  1 Sales:    HP sales, how may we empower you today? D BigBank:  We need to upgrade our Alphaserver, what can you offer us?4 Sales:    We have a special on HP's ipods this week!   and you know the rest    > K > The call center will have three large training classrooms and a demo room L > full of different HP products so employees can familiarize themselves with > what they're selling.   E Translation, none of these new sales people currently know anything,  4 whatsoever, about the products they will be selling.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:47:28 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 2 Subject: Re: HP to hire 200 for Boise sales center2 Message-ID: <QW6Od.7421$Os3.5379@news.cpqcorp.net>  p In article <OFD2EC0288.B8A34A7E-ON85256FA2.004BEB5F-85256FA2.004C19F1@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:M :DQoNCg0KDQpGZWJydWFyeSA3LCAyMDA1DQoNCg0KSFAgdG8gaGlyZSAyMDAgZm9yIEJvaXNlIHNh  ...   E   And the ASCII translation of the B64-encoded text that Norm Raphael B   has posted is below the signature, with a few character encodingF   oddities included in the translation.  I do not know the attributionH   of the text as that detail was not included, nor do I find any similar7   documents listed anywhere in Google nor in AllTheWeb.   B   Here is the URL for the associated HP (www.hpshopping.com) Press
   Release:  =     http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2005/050203a.html     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com      February 7, 2005    % HP to hire 200 for Boise sales center     G BOISE, Idaho - Hewlett-Packard will open a new online sales call center . here this fall, with plans to hire 200 people.    F During the next few weeks, HP will post online applications for sales,F sales leads, sales managers, work force managers, trainers and productD experts. The positions will pay more than $15 an hour plus benefits, according to HP.    I HP officials said they chose Boise because of its established information H and communication networks, state tax incentives, proximity to corporateH headquarters in Sunnyvale, Calif., HP's established presence in Idaho, a4 support program at Boise State and local job talent.    @ HP received state tax incentives, including job training credit.    J The new call center will go into an existing building that formerly housed4 an HP technical support center that was later moved.    H HPs online sales subsidiary, www.hpshopping.com, has one call center inC Nova Scotia, Canada. The company decided to expand its online sales D division because it has had steady growth during the past few years, company executives said.    F The new call center employees will be hired during the next 18 months.E Employees will answer customer phone calls and try to match them with  appropriate products.     I The call center will have three large training classrooms and a demo room J full of different HP products so employees can familiarize themselves with what they're selling.     G About 7,000 to 8,000 people work at business transaction centers in the = Boise area, according to the Boise Metro Chamber of Commerce.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:08:37 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>D Subject: Re: IBM "Cell" chip - was Re: Curly soon to be out of a job0 Message-ID: <pR2Od.7395$pl3.46@news.cpqcorp.net>  * It's also a dessert topping and floor wax.  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:5oadnXJqKYCUfZrfRVn-qA@igs.net...H > This chip will start eating into Intel's x86/x86-64 profit pie. Pretty soon' > Intel won't be able to afford Itanic.  >  >  > L http://www-1.ibm.com/press/PressServletForm.wss?MenuChoice=pressreleases&Tem > L plateName=ShowPressReleaseTemplate&SelectString=t1.docunid=7502&TableName=Da > L taheadApplicationClass&SESSIONKEY=any&WindowTitle=Press+Release&STATUS=publi > sh >  > F > IBM, Sony, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. and Toshiba Disclose Key Details  > of the Cell Chip > H > Innovative Design Features Eight Synergistic Cores Together with Power Based D > Core, Delivers More Than 10 Times the Performance of the Latest PC > Processors >  > L > SAN FRANCISCO -- Feb. 7, 2005 -- At the International Solid State Circuits@ > Conference (ISSCC) today, IBM, Sony Corporation, Sony Computer
 Entertainment H > Inc. (Sony and Sony Computer Entertainment collectively referred to as SonyJ > Group) and Toshiba Corporation (Toshiba) for the first time disclosed inE > detail the breakthrough multi-core architectural design - featuring J > supercomputer-like floating point performance with observed clock speedsK > greater than 4 GHz - of their jointly developed microprocessor code-named  > Cell.  > E > A team of IBM, Sony Group and Toshiba engineers has collaborated on A > development of the Cell microprocessor at a joint design center  established F > in Austin, Texas, since March 2001. The prototype chip is 221 mm(2),I > integrates 234 million transistors, and is fabricated with 90 nanometer  SOI 
 > technology.  > B > Cell's breakthrough multi-core architecture and ultra high-speedI > communications capabilities deliver vastly improved, real-time response  for G > entertainment and rich media applications, in many cases 10 times the * > performance of the latest PC processors. > @ > Effectively a "supercomputer on a chip" incorporating advancedI > multi-processing technologies used in IBM's sophisticated servers, Sony ? > Group's computer entertainment systems and Toshiba's advanced 
 semiconductor J > technology, Cell will become the broadband processor used for industrial' > applications to the new digital home.  > J > Another advantage of Cell is to support multiple operating systems, such asG > conventional operating systems (including Linux), real-time operating J > systems for computer entertainment and consumer electronics applications asL > well as guest operating systems for specific applications, simultaneously. > J > Initial production of Cell microprocessors is expected to begin at IBM'sK > 300mm wafer fabrication facility in East Fishkill, N.Y., followed by Sony H > Group's Nagasaki Fab, this year. IBM, Sony Group and Toshiba expect toF > promote Cell-based products including a broad range of industry-wideK > applications, from digital televisions to home servers to supercomputers.  > . > Among the highlights of Cell released today: > F >   a.. Cell is a breakthrough architectural design -- featuring eightG > synergistic processors and top clock speeds of greater than 4 GHz (as + > measured during initial hardware testing) B >   b.. Cell is a multicore chip capable of massive floating point
 processingB >   c.. Cell is OS neutral and supports multiple operating systems > simultaneouslyJ > "Today's disclosure of the Cell chip's breakthrough architectural design isK > a significant milestone in an ambitious project that began four years ago F > with the creation of the IBM, Sony and Toshiba design lab in Austin, Texas," F > said William Zeitler, senior vice president and group executive, IBM Systems A > and Technology Group. "Today we see the tangible results of our L > collaboration: an open, multi-core, microprocessor that portends a new era+ > in graphics and multi-media performance."  >  > J > "Today, we are very proud to share with you the first development of theI > Cell project, initiated with aspirations by the joint team of IBM, Sony G > Group and Toshiba in March 2001," said Ken Kutaragi, executive deputy H > president and COO, Sony Corporation, and president and Group CEO, SonyL > Computer Entertainment Inc. "With Cell opening a doorway, a new chapter in& > computer science is about to begin." > J > "We are proud that Cell, a revolutionary microprocessor with a brand newI > architecture that leapfrogs the performance of existing processors, has  beenD > created through a perfect synergy of IBM, Sony Group and Toshiba'sI > capabilities and talented resources, "said Masashi Muromachi, corporate  viceC > president of Toshiba Corporation and president & CEO of Toshiba's G > Semiconductor Company. "We are confident that Cell will provide majoriD > momentum for the progress of digital convergence, as a core deviceD > sustaining a whole spectrum of advanced information-rich broadbandE > applications, from consumer electronics, home entertainment throughq various  > industrial systems." >  > About IBMIK > IBM develops, manufactures and markets state-of-the-art semiconductor ando< > interconnect technologies, products and services including industry-leadingD > Power Architecture microprocessors. IBM semiconductors are a majorJ > contributor to the company's position as the world's largest informationK > technology company. Its chip products and solutions power IBM eServer andeL > TotalStorage systems as well as many of the world's best-known electronics	 > brands.s >uI > IBM semiconductor innovations include dual-core microprocessors, copper J > wiring, silicon-on-insulator and silicon germanium transistors, strainedA > silicon, and eFUSE, a technology that enables computer chips towC > automatically respond to changing conditions. More information isg	 availablei > at: http://www.ibm.com/chips >  >  >O   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:06:57 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>nD Subject: Re: IBM "Cell" chip - was Re: Curly soon to be out of a job, Message-ID: <7fWdncDC28QbWpXfRVn-hQ@igs.net>  J If they *advertise* as also having those attributes, many will believe it.C Just like Microsoft can advertise sh*t and sell it by the boatload.B  K Funnily enough, had Alpha and VMS been advertised properly, people probably-D would have believed the value proposition espoused in those ads too.  K Despite the fact that the port to Itanic made VMS easier to port to another-I architecture, the commercial reality, as I believe HP sees it, is that if D Itanic sinks there will not be another port of VMS to any processor.     FredK wrote:, > It's also a dessert topping and floor wax. >e0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message( > news:5oadnXJqKYCUfZrfRVn-qA@igs.net...B >> This chip will start eating into Intel's x86/x86-64 profit pie.4 >> Pretty soon Intel won't be able to afford Itanic. >> >> >> >AL http://www-1.ibm.com/press/PressServletForm.wss?MenuChoice=pressreleases&Tem >> > L plateName=ShowPressReleaseTemplate&SelectString=t1.docunid=7502&TableName=Da >> > L taheadApplicationClass&SESSIONKEY=any&WindowTitle=Press+Release&STATUS=publi >> shr >> >>G >> IBM, Sony, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. and Toshiba Disclose Keyw >> Details of the Cell Chip  >>C >> Innovative Design Features Eight Synergistic Cores Together with G >> Power Based Core, Delivers More Than 10 Times the Performance of thea >> Latest PC Processorst >> >>D >> SAN FRANCISCO -- Feb. 7, 2005 -- At the International Solid StateA >> Circuits Conference (ISSCC) today, IBM, Sony Corporation, SonynD >> Computer Entertainment Inc. (Sony and Sony Computer EntertainmentB >> collectively referred to as Sony Group) and Toshiba CorporationD >> (Toshiba) for the first time disclosed in detail the breakthroughA >> multi-core architectural design - featuring supercomputer-like:G >> floating point performance with observed clock speeds greater than 42C >> GHz - of their jointly developed microprocessor code-named Cell.g >>F >> A team of IBM, Sony Group and Toshiba engineers has collaborated onB >> development of the Cell microprocessor at a joint design centerE >> established in Austin, Texas, since March 2001. The prototype chip-F >> is 221 mm(2), integrates 234 million transistors, and is fabricated$ >> with 90 nanometer SOI technology. >>C >> Cell's breakthrough multi-core architecture and ultra high-speedcA >> communications capabilities deliver vastly improved, real-time0B >> response for entertainment and rich media applications, in many> >> cases 10 times the performance of the latest PC processors. >>A >> Effectively a "supercomputer on a chip" incorporating advancedHE >> multi-processing technologies used in IBM's sophisticated servers,eE >> Sony Group's computer entertainment systems and Toshiba's advancedhE >> semiconductor technology, Cell will become the broadband processor < >> used for industrial applications to the new digital home. >>F >> Another advantage of Cell is to support multiple operating systems,F >> such as conventional operating systems (including Linux), real-time< >> operating systems for computer entertainment and consumerB >> electronics applications as well as guest operating systems for) >> specific applications, simultaneously.2 >>E >> Initial production of Cell microprocessors is expected to begin ateA >> IBM's 300mm wafer fabrication facility in East Fishkill, N.Y.,hD >> followed by Sony Group's Nagasaki Fab, this year. IBM, Sony GroupF >> and Toshiba expect to promote Cell-based products including a broadC >> range of industry-wide applications, from digital televisions tob" >> home servers to supercomputers. >>/ >> Among the highlights of Cell released today:- >>G >>   a.. Cell is a breakthrough architectural design -- featuring eighteH >> synergistic processors and top clock speeds of greater than 4 GHz (as, >> measured during initial hardware testing)C >>   b.. Cell is a multicore chip capable of massive floating pointrF >>   processing c.. Cell is OS neutral and supports multiple operating >> systems simultaneouslynD >> "Today's disclosure of the Cell chip's breakthrough architecturalG >> design is a significant milestone in an ambitious project that began G >> four years ago with the creation of the IBM, Sony and Toshiba designlE >> lab in Austin, Texas," said William Zeitler, senior vice presidentbG >> and group executive, IBM Systems and Technology Group. "Today we see-B >> the tangible results of our collaboration: an open, multi-core,E >> microprocessor that portends a new era in graphics and multi-media1 >> performance." >> >>G >> "Today, we are very proud to share with you the first development ofgD >> the Cell project, initiated with aspirations by the joint team ofA >> IBM, Sony Group and Toshiba in March 2001," said Ken Kutaragi,tF >> executive deputy president and COO, Sony Corporation, and presidentG >> and Group CEO, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. "With Cell opening a,A >> doorway, a new chapter in computer science is about to begin."t >>G >> "We are proud that Cell, a revolutionary microprocessor with a brandu> >> new architecture that leapfrogs the performance of existingF >> processors, has been created through a perfect synergy of IBM, SonyA >> Group and Toshiba's capabilities and talented resources, "saideE >> Masashi Muromachi, corporate vice president of Toshiba CorporationaB >> and president & CEO of Toshiba's Semiconductor Company. "We areF >> confident that Cell will provide major momentum for the progress ofG >> digital convergence, as a core device sustaining a whole spectrum of B >> advanced information-rich broadband applications, from consumerG >> electronics, home entertainment through various industrial systems."  >> >> About IBM: >> IBM develops, manufactures and markets state-of-the-artE >> semiconductor and interconnect technologies, products and services E >> including industry-leading Power Architecture microprocessors. IBM F >> semiconductors are a major contributor to the company's position as? >> the world's largest information technology company. Its chipuG >> products and solutions power IBM eServer and TotalStorage systems as3= >> well as many of the world's best-known electronics brands.n >>C >> IBM semiconductor innovations include dual-core microprocessors,o< >> copper wiring, silicon-on-insulator and silicon germaniumF >> transistors, strained silicon, and eFUSE, a technology that enablesG >> computer chips to automatically respond to changing conditions. More18 >> information is available at: http://www.ibm.com/chips   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:42:34 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend...., Message-ID: <EvGdnSifiPBSXJXfRVn-sg@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:e > Dave Froble wrote: >vE >> If such a commercial were done, it would have to be as good as thesB >> IBM commercial, or it would be a waste of money.  Just spendingF >> money for a commercial does nothing.  The question is, does HP have& >> anyone with an appropriate message? > F > If HP wanted to really leverage VMS, I am sure they would give theirG > ad agency the right mandate and you'd see a Macintosh 1984 ad. a goodeE > ad agency would have focus groups (perhaps including some of us) to F > determine HP's image, VMS's image, what the weaknesses and strengths > of VMS would be etc etc. > H > On the other hand, if HP is just out to place a token ad to shut us upH > and be able to claim that yes, they are marketing VMS, then it doesn'tC > matter and they'd just tell some secretary to look at the clipartd4 > collection and make an ad with the word VMS in it.    J Don't take it so personal JF.  HP doesn't really care whether one specificG group or another group of customers exists for VMS or not - they aren'to6 going to advertise VMS under any circumstance. Period.  H Certain individuals within HP may want to advertise VMS but they neitherJ control the checkbook nor are willing to put their careers on the choppingK block. For some of them, the closest similar job they could get if HP firedfH them for insubordination would be in India or China - which in the whole: scheme of things might not be a bad career move after all.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:33:02 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> 6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend....+ Message-ID: <cuapjv$qd0$1@naig.caltech.edu>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:   > J > You honestly think that no executives care about football or were likelyI > to watch the SuperBowl?  Who do you think owns those teams?  Why do your1 > think all the stadiums have corporate sponsors?.  : Who do you think sits in the expensive boxes up at the top2 of the stadium?  It would be ironic indeed if they2 watched the game on TV from up there instead of by' by looking out that very pricey window.t   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2005 16:44:40 GMT3( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend...., Message-ID: <36s8joF4sirphU1@individual.net>  + In article <cuapjv$qd0$1@naig.caltech.edu>,r* 	David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >  >>  K >> You honestly think that no executives care about football or were likelyhJ >> to watch the SuperBowl?  Who do you think owns those teams?  Why do you2 >> think all the stadiums have corporate sponsors? > < > Who do you think sits in the expensive boxes up at the top4 > of the stadium?  It would be ironic indeed if they4 > watched the game on TV from up there instead of by) > by looking out that very pricey window.C >   A There ain't enough skyboxes for all the executives in the countryt% in any stadium I've ever seen.  :-)  c   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:37:39 -0800T' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>T6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend....+ Message-ID: <cuatd3$rsr$1@naig.caltech.edu>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:- > In article <cuapjv$qd0$1@naig.caltech.edu>,I, > 	David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> writes: >  >>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> >>K >>>You honestly think that no executives care about football or were likelyhJ >>>to watch the SuperBowl?  Who do you think owns those teams?  Why do you2 >>>think all the stadiums have corporate sponsors? >>< >>Who do you think sits in the expensive boxes up at the top4 >>of the stadium?  It would be ironic indeed if they4 >>watched the game on TV from up there instead of by) >>by looking out that very pricey window.u >> >  > C > There ain't enough skyboxes for all the executives in the countrys' > in any stadium I've ever seen.  :-)  t >   @ The CEOs of the smaller companies have to make due with seats on the 50 yard line. ;-)    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:38:35 -0800% From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com>u6 Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend....7 Message-ID: <3f119ada050208093820dd3bb5@mail.gmail.com>   J On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:16:03 -0700, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote:  & > You don't sell server-class machinesH > on mass-market TV.  When was the last time you laughed over the Sun orK > IBM mainframe or HPUX or AIX or MPE .... commercial?  I'll repeat: you're & > not reaching the people you need to.  A Then, I have to ask: If that media doesn't work, why do IBM et ald continue to use it?    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2005 10:05:20 -0000i" From: FAQs A Million <faq@for.you>, Subject: Re: Is there a FAQ for this group ?3 Message-ID: <GT3OGQCB38391.7537037037@reece.net.au>r  3 Tom Rauschenbach <tomsusenet@tomsdomain.org> wrote:   / >Does a FAQ for this group get posted monthly ?s >Is it on a W3 page anywhere ? >u >Thanksr   Here ya go..............   FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS    About JF MEZEI  @ The "nobody" troll of rec.travel.air and "John Doe" troll of the sci.space.* newsgroups.    (Rev. Jan. 23, 2005)   Written by:e   Darrell Larose 121 Northwestern Ave Ottawa, ON K1Y 0M1 (613) 725-0245 cota348@rogers.com ad607@FreeNet.Carleton.CAI   1.  Who is JF Mezei?  C Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever C hit rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is alsoe4 one of the longest running trolls in usenet history.  C ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME ANDpC E-MAIL ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS  THEIR MESSAGES.***  E If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitoroE the control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled your < messages, forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and+ abuse@astraweb.com and abuse@teranews.com .t  ! Also http://www.usenetabuse.com .   " 2.  How long has he been trolling?   For well over a decade.e   3.  Where does he live?r   Montreal, Quebec, Canada   Jean-Francois Mezeie 86 Harwood GateX Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3d (514) 992-0474 (514) 695-8259  9 His current e-mail addresses are jfmezei@teksavvy.com ande jfmezei@vaxination.ca .r  ) His website is http://www.vaxination.ca .o  * 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll?  C His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades D your newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, dayF in and day out, every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He@ does not listen to pleas to stop, he does not listen to anything4 anyone tells him, he does not pay attention when theA misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just goesHC right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his-F ears closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"    5.  What does he troll about?s  F His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  HeB hates the USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn itC into a USA-bashing fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just startu making lewd posts.  $ 6.  What does he hate about the USA?  E Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who haveoE a visceral hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a B happier, better, more successful version of their country and they> can't stand it.  Some of JF's favorite troll bait is "the BushC regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis of evil", "Americans areiB brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are stupid" etc.  # 7.  What about his sexual trolling?i  E Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre.e> Among his favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women'sA genitalia, sex toys, circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of   course) ... the list is endless.   8.  Circumcision???t  F Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes< to insert circumcision into his trolling every now and then.C Apparently, JF was traumatized as a child because his parents, pooreB Hungarian immigrants to Canada, left him uncircumcised when he wasB born, as is the custom in most of the world.  Growing up in Canada@ where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time, he was? psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could hea@ arranged to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades ofE circumcision proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a>@ free willy.  His main argument is how much better he was able toB masturbate after getting circumcised without that "pesky foreskin"F getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has made it his mission in' life to spread the circumcision gospel.   @ 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky.   @ Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among theE subjects dear to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls,fE especially little boy's foreskins (and how tight they are) and littleh@ girls' hymens.  He is also a tireless activist and advocate thatC children should be taught to masturbate early on so that they don'tp, grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".  E He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their C little boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, F proper movement, and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.A Utopia for JF would be a world full of parents manipulating theirr little boys' penises.p  @ 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the+ minute!  Are you sure about all this stuff?6  D Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a' decade full of Mezei trolling in there.e  C 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the  time like all trolls do?  B Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling aliases.i  A 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't hen work?t  E Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, a-C grown man who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day andm@ trolls the newsgroups all night.  In his free time when he isn'tF trolling he likes to ride his bike down to Dorval Airport and race the# planes down the runway in his bike.e  9 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?h  D Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he neverA got past the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humornF (i.e. "pull my finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.  C 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish aboutA them, is that true?G  @ Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in theB locker room.  He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has= seen in locker rooms over the years, especially his unnaturalnF obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the men in locker rooms trying toB measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is left if theyF have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case of phimosis.  @ 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insane asylum!  D Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin; foil hat world where others are out to get him.  The key toeF understanding JF is that he sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the worldD is out to get him, especially the USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about.  D What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian railD system was "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut,D spotting trains, writing down their numbers and chasing them down atB the train yard like a good freak.  Then he turned his attention toC aviation.  Major events that made him fall head first deep into the C abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines and their subsequentMF takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid is he thatE when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employeesoD went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to coverE up the Air Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up ofQ; the crash investigation.  He has never recovered from this.Q  6 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!  F His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to someE ancient, arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has takenWA seriously for decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits andKC social dropouts who share his psychological traumas, crying for the01 good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!2  ! 17.  Where else does he hang out?1  @ can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geekyD computer groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster heB invaded the sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, andF trolled it relentlessly with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crapE he's so famous for.  But they ran him off that group and he had to gojD crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail between his legs, licking his wounds.G  A 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects andW doesn't troll.  F Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so> he slips in troll bait every now and then, but by and large heA respects comp.os.vms, and, more importantly, he tries to hide hisQA trolling activities from them so they won't find out what a major2 netkook he is.  F 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho he is!  E Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And whileGF you're at it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido? too.  And to alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, andi news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.  4 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address?  D Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:w  * abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com& abuse@teranews.com, abuse@astraweb.com   also http://www.usenetabuse.comm  7 You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.2   TekSavvy Solutions Inc.W 330 Richmond St., Suite 2053 Chatham, ON, CanadaK N7M 1P7y  D And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups,C email it to people, you may host it at your own website, send it to0D newspapers and magazines that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.      *** APPENDIX ***  @ List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over theF years.  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The stock isgB Geron (NASDAQ symbol GERN).  I believe this company at the presentG stock price is roughly equivalent to seeing IBM stock at $1.  I believe,E they have the technonology which will cure ALL cancers.  In addition, @ this company owns the vast majority of all intellectual propertyC currently associated with stem cell research, including a method tomG allow stem cell research to continue without needing mouse feeder cellss, (which tend to contaminate stem cell lines).  E Judge for yourself, and do your own research.  I just thought I would C present it here for those of you looking for a damn good investmentaD opportunity.  As a side note, many in the medical and pharmaceuticalD professions are understandibly terified by stem cell research, as itC may render the products they provide, unnecessary.  These days drug.F companies don't look for cures, but rather design drugs to address theC symptoms of diseases, thereby enhancing revenue streams. I honestlysF believe that if some pharmaceutical companies found cures (accidentalyC or otherwise), they would supress them in favor of drugs that would $ only chronically treat the symptoms.  F Stem cell research is here to stay, and the science csnnot be stopped.C Other countries will pass us by if we do not utilize our technology E lead wisely.  The genie is out of the bottle to benefit mankind. Wille4 the U.S. be the biggest roadblock, at its own peril?   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2005 10:09:42 -0600o- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: Re: OT- Like IBM stock when it was $13 Message-ID: <h33C9shT4Krp@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  ] In article <1107859202.117805.75950@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, univms@bigfoot.com writes:   * > Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com     ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:23:56 GMTe# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)nD Subject: Re: Purchasing Justifications (was: Re: Lexical to get ACL)2 Message-ID: <MA6Od.7416$Os3.4970@news.cpqcorp.net>  ` In article <420815B3.C52CFE6E@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: :Hoff Hoffman wrote: :> s( :>   As for the concern, buy more disk.  :oH :Easier said than done. Worked in Corporate America lately? Tried to getG :*ANY*thing OpenVMS past the bean-counters and the Lord High Exchequer?s  H   Most any organization will have purchasing restrictions, lest it startI   leaking volumes of cash.  This is part of basic business practices, and H   even an MBA or an engineer -- to pick the two most distant ends of theD   business spectrum :-) -- can certainly understand the need for it.  L   Hemorrhaging cash is not a viable long-term strategy for any organization.    E :...but then, of course, you're buying stuff for your employer out oftF :your own pocket, and they certainly aren't about to reimburse you for- :something in which they see no value/future.i  A   I purchase kit that I then use for my own continuing education.t  A   Given prices of used low-end hardware, this investment is quite B   small -- as I have referenced before, decent AlphaStation XP1000A   series configurations appear on eBay fairly regularly, and seemx@   to sell below US$1000.  (I haven't purchased one of these, but#   have certainly thought about it.)   B   As for purchasing equipment within Corporate America, I work outA   the return for the purchase of the widget, and provide the caserA   to those that hold the keys to the treasury.  If we buy "this", C   then here are the costs and here is the return -- if we don't buy A   it, here are the costs.   Depending on the environment, sellinggC   off surplus kit is another approach -- and the faster it goes out D   the door, the more it is worth, of course.  This is basic business3   operations and business adminstration, of course.t  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqtN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comg   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:24:34 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> ? Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COMj ; Message-ID: <m43Od.48411$JF2.18517@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>t   David J Dachtera wrote:c > John Brandon wrote:r >  >>David J Dachtera >> >>L >>>Well, o.k., but I'm still wondering why a reboot differs from a shutdown.  >>>Either way, everything stops. >>N >>True - however a REBOOT is typicall of ECO patches, etc., whereas a shutdownP >>may imply hardware upgrades or configuration.  In addition knowing the average; >>time required for a reboot helps us plan future reboots. o >  > % > Very near the top of SYSHUTDWN.COM:b > , > $ COPY NLA0: SYS$MANAHER:SHUTDOWN_FLAG.DAT > ) > Very near the end of SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM:  > ( > $ FSP := SYS$MANAGER:SHUTDOWN_FLAG.DAT > $ IF	F$SEARCH( FSP ) .NES. ""  > $ THEN > $	NOW = F$CVTIME( ,, "TIME" )  > $	THEN = F$FILE( FSP, "CDT" )i2 > $	DURATN = F$CVTIME( "''NOW'-''THEN'",, "TIME" ); > $	WRITE SYS$OUTPUT " Approx. Downtime Duration: ", DURATNp > $	DELETE 'FSP';*	 > $ ENDIF  >  > If you include:" > ' > $ DEFINE SYS$OUTPUT SYSTARTUP_VMS.LOGi > % > ...at the top of SYSTARTUP_VMS and n >  > $ DEASSIGN SYS$OUTPUT  > J > ...near the end, you'll have a record log of every boot, and therefore aI > record of your outages. You'll know when you were shutdown and when youuF > just rebooted (won't you?) so you can process the times manually and* > develop an overview of your experiences. >  >  >>A shutdown does notu/ >>as it may be down for one hour or 20 minutes.o >> >>A preference.o >  > C > O.k., I guess. Seems a lot to go through to collect such a simplesF > statistic. Just gather the data. Short durations are likely reboots.D > Longer durations are likely planned outages (the file gets deletedG > during SYSTARTUP_VMS, so there's be no duration report from a restart  > after a crash).n > = Just run the procedure shutdown.com and you have all control.i   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:28:51 -0500( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com>- Subject: Re: Simple copy question (RMS-E-FEX)n, Message-ID: <4208b1a5$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message< news:1107842192.81788220041b56552f5739bd51ea3024@teranews...  > Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote:3 > > Somehow, somewhere a version number is decided.b :uJ > I used the doubleclick method to paste the source filename into the copyC > command. And that included the version number of the source file.  >r0 > copy sys$library:TPU$MOTIFSHR.EXE;1 []temp.exe  4 Yeah well... that is NOT what you posted originally.? Please be careful to include EXACT commands and error messages.s   Regards, Hein.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:12:01 GMTt( From: Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com>1 Subject: Re: TestDrive update - Binary Translator 1 Message-ID: <5F4Od.7408$Go3.524@news.cpqcorp.net>S  " V1.0 is now available on Testdrive  G The native AEST translator and TIE runtime environment are installed onsI an rx1600 Integrity server, tcp/ip address 192.233.54.183  and the Alpha hJ translator is installed on an AlphaServer DS20, ip address 192.233.54.184.  D It's easy to get an account on the OpenVMS testdrive systems.  Go to; http://www.testdrive.hp.com/ and click on "Get an account".   H Software kits and documentation will be made available later this month.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:23:32 GMTe1 From: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx>y# Subject: Re: VAX 4000 m500A problemi: Message-ID: <slrnd0htcc.k6s.jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx>  J (For the folks in comp.os.vms, I'm trying to get enough licenses installedG so I can FTP over the entire hobbyist license PAK set. So far, I've gotoI VAX-VMS, UCX, UCX-IP-CLIENT, and UCX-IP-RT loaded by hand, but I'd ratherS not type them ALL in manually.)e  5 On 2005-02-08, Howard Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote: < > In article <slrnd0gai4.a1c.jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx>,5 >  Jay Maynard <jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx> wrote:oO >> Nope. Got both set up, as well as UCK-CLIENT and another couple of UCX ones.m9 > Do you have enough units for your machine?  Check usingk > $ show license/chargesH > If you don't have enough, and if the licenses have MOD_UNITS, you can K > MODIFY the licenses using SYS$UPDATE:VMSLICENSE to have enough units for o > your machine.g   No MOD_UNITS, unfortunately.  I The VAX-VMS license itself has ACTIVITY=A and UNITS=0. The other licensesd+ all have ACTIVITY=CONSTANT=100 and UNITS=0.o   SHOW LICENSE/CHARGES reports:g   $ show license/charges                                                                                                               VMS/LMF Charge Information for node PLOTZ                                                                                            This is a VAX 4000-105A, hardware model type 391                                                                                    O Type: A, Units Required: 60     (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base)i4 Type: B, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS F&A Server)9 Type: C, Units Required: 100    (VAX/VMS Concurrent User)n5 Type: D, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Workstation)eD Type: E, Units Required: 230    (VAX/VMS System Integrated Products)6 Type: F, Units Required: 100    (VAX Layered Products)* Type: G, * Not Permitted *      (Reserved)8 Type: H, * Not Permitted *      (Alpha Layered Products)2 Type: I, Units Required: 100    (Layered Products)  G How do I show what license it's looking for when a request fails, like:o   $ ftp 192.83.120.30 %TCPIP-E-FTP_NETERR, I/O error on network device8 -SYSTEM-F-NOLICENSE, operation requires software license  = (And should I be pestering the guys on comp.os.vms, instead?)a   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2005 14:01:59 GMTo( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?t, Message-ID: <36rv2nF56afvjU1@individual.net>  C In article <1107821396.025828.137400@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,. 	bob@instantwhip.com writes:C > http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=05/02/07/1720316  >   < Some of us talked about this long before Italy came into the= picture.  The reception from Compaq and later HP was somewhatm< less than lukewarm.  It's hard enough selling an idea to the< administration of a University.  It's pretty much impossible+ without even token support from the vendor.a   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2005 14:10:53 GMTt( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Re: Why aren't more universities doing this? , Message-ID: <36rvjdF56afvjU2@individual.net>  , In article <M5adnT9Wpb9ivJXfRVn-gQ@igs.net>,& 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > bob@instantwhip.com wrote:D >> http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=05/02/07/1720316 >  >  > L > The entire program was flawed from the start - launched nearly a year ago,L > the University of Turn is one of perhaps 2-3 educational institutions thatN > decided to participate - a far cry from the 20 or so that HP wanted to have.  : Something about a lamp under a bushelbasket comes to mind.   > N > Think about it....how many universities are going to give a course credit to+ > a student for porting open source to VMS?c  D Pretty much any one that has a CS program as they likely all include$ a required "senior projects" course.   > I > I have repeatedly asked HP to *fund* a dedicated team of under-employedoG > experienced VMS developers to port the top 5 open source apps in eachdN > category (however that's defined is up for discussion) which currently don'tL > have VMS versions. How much could that cost? ...a few million dollars.....J > chicken feed in the whole scheme of things...maybe 200 apps in 1 year inJ > addition to those from commercial ISV's. A dedicated open-source portingN > team is far better than relying on students in academia who have Okotberfest1 > and girlfriends to attend to when not in class.r  > Don't know much about colleges today, do you?  We had a single> student develop an entire Secure Wireless system with accounts= and authentication tied to our user database.  The system wasi= based on recent papers on the subject and we are hoping to gom> production with it this next summer when time allows revampingA our whole wireless system.  The students flock to "real" projectsp@ over the various contrived applications that make up most of the
 offerings.  = Many major current systems started out as "Student Projects".p   bill   -- lJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:50:14 -0800F' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> 5 Subject: Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?a+ Message-ID: <cuaqk6$qqm$1@naig.caltech.edu>d   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:C > http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=05/02/07/1720316s >   9 That's an easy one.  Because porting open source softwaret= to a moribund OS is not a particularly worthy goal and nobodyd9 is going to give you very much credit for having done it..  ? I used to do rather a lot of porting to OpenVMS and believe me,m8 my time is much better spent doing other things and just> running the code as is on Linux.  When I work on code now it's: to make it faster or better,  not just to get it to run in5 the first place on a platform that nobody in academiak cares about or uses anymore.  8 And if you weren't paying attention and reading my posts: all of those years back, the two main reasons nobody cares about OpenVMS is that it's:a     1.  expensivee
   2.  slow  6 The open source code in particular tends to run like a4 dog on OpenVMS.  Factors of 20x slower on VMS versus6 linux (both on DS10) were common.  CPU bound stuff ran6 at the same speed, but a lot of this code is I/O bound: and there's a world of difference between forcing the data6 all the way to disk vs. just to disk cache.  Plus even8 with ramdisks RMS was socking you for a factor of 2 or 3
 vs. linux.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2005 18:41:01 GMT-( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Re: Why aren't more universities doing this?h, Message-ID: <36sfdtF51916kU1@individual.net>  + In article <cuaqk6$qqm$1@naig.caltech.edu>,g* 	David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> writes: > bob@instantwhip.com wrote:D >> http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/stories.php?story=05/02/07/1720316 >>   > ; > That's an easy one.  Because porting open source software ? > to a moribund OS is not a particularly worthy goal and nobodye; > is going to give you very much credit for having done it.i  > Not exactly true.  It would have to be examined like any other; project, but I was successful in getting 4 porting projects ? approved by our faculty committee a few years ago.  I asked one-> of the professors who has visited a number of other schools as< a member of an ABET Acreditation Team and he assures me that@ about 50% of colleges with CS programs (a higher % for acredited< programs) have similar senior projects courses.  The biggest? thing holding up projects like these is the lack of VMS systemsn? in academia. (As soon as the electricians get my new power in Ih; will have a couple of killer VAXen to make available to themB students again.)  I look forward to trying to get some VMS porting= projects in the works again.  The students are always lookingp> for something more meaningful than the typical doctor's office Excel/Access billing system.   > A > I used to do rather a lot of porting to OpenVMS and believe me,i: > my time is much better spent doing other things and just@ > running the code as is on Linux.  When I work on code now it's< > to make it faster or better,  not just to get it to run in7 > the first place on a platform that nobody in academiat > cares about or uses anymore.  : It's usually a fight, but I still try to keep VMS at least9 on the horizon here.  I have one professor who teaches a  8 course that still includes some COBOL programming and as; long as that persists I will, at least, have enough supporto= to keep VMS running in the department.  It is up to me to tryl< and expand that usage and once I have a couple machines with= real performance I will get back to work on that. (Must soundG= funny having the groups biggest Unix defender wrtitting aboutv pushing VMS in academia!! :-)l   bill   -- aJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   >   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:52:39 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com> Subject: Re: [On and OT] HP to hire 200 for Boise sales centerQ Message-ID: <OFA015BBF6.74B27A61-ON85256FA2.0060CE41-85256FA2.0062456A@metso.com>o  > This point of course is that these jobs are staying stateside.  D This happens from my NotesMail client from time to time, underneath.  F I checked the message sent to me from InfoVAX and it does indeed show:   Field Name: Body Data Type: MIME Part Data Length: 2356 bytes.
 Seq Num: 2 Dup Item ID: 0 Field Flags: SIGN SEAL  " "Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8t [etc]   A The possessive apostrophe here seems to have caused the encoding:t  H > HP=E2s online sales subsidiary, www.hpshopping.com, has one call cent= er in.   and it shows up for me as:  H > HP's online sales subsidiary, www.hpshopping.com, has one call center=  ina   so I did not realize the issue.o  H When I change the offending character to a text apostrophe instead of t= he original character that wasnB cut from a web page, I get this (which should be text at InfoVAX):   Field Name: Body Data Type: Rich Text Data Length: 1692 bytes<
 Seq Num: 1 Dup Item ID: 0 Field Flags: SIGN SEAL   February 7, 2005  8 Thanks for reposting it for those who could not read it.    > hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote on 02/08/2005 12:47:28 PM:  ? > In article <OFD2EC0288.B8A34A7E-ON85256FA2.004BEB5F-85256FA2.r5 > 004C19F1@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:2 >)H :DQoNCg0KDQpGZWJydWFyeSA3LCAyMDA1DQoNCg0KSFAgdG8gaGlyZSAyMDAgZm9yIEJvaX= NlIHNh   > ...5 >oH >   And the ASCII translation of the B64-encoded text that Norm Raphael=  D >   has posted is below the signature, with a few character encodingH >   oddities included in the translation.  I do not know the attributio= nlH >   of the text as that detail was not included, nor do I find any simi= larN9 >   documents listed anywhere in Google nor in AllTheWeb.P >ED >   Here is the URL for the associated HP (www.hpshopping.com) Press >   Release: > ? >     http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2005/050203a.htmln >g >p2 >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------b3 >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --r www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq/4 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------aH >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com=   >e >e > February 7, 2005 >c >f' > HP to hire 200 for Boise sales center9 >2 > H > BOISE, Idaho - Hewlett-Packard will open a new online sales call cent= er0 > here this fall, with plans to hire 200 people. >o > H > During the next few weeks, HP will post online applications for sales= ,iH > sales leads, sales managers, work force managers, trainers and produc= t,F > experts. The positions will pay more than $15 an hour plus benefits, > according to HP. >. >eH > HP officials said they chose Boise because of its established informa= tionH > and communication networks, state tax incentives, proximity to corpor= atesH > headquarters in Sunnyvale, Calif., HP's established presence in Idaho= , a 6 > support program at Boise State and local job talent. >  >,B > HP received state tax incentives, including job training credit. >  > E > The new call center will go into an existing building that formerlye housed6 > an HP technical support center that was later moved. >o >UH > HP=E2s online sales subsidiary, www.hpshopping.com, has one call cent= er in E > Nova Scotia, Canada. The company decided to expand its online saleslF > division because it has had steady growth during the past few years, > company executives said. >U >iH > The new call center employees will be hired during the next 18 months= .'H > Employees will answer customer phone calls and try to match them with=   > appropriate products.s >  >lH > The call center will have three large training classrooms and a demo = roomH > full of different HP products so employees can familiarize themselves=   with > what they're selling.x >  >iH > About 7,000 to 8,000 people work at business transaction centers in t= he? > Boise area, according to the Boise Metro Chamber of Commerce.n >=   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.078 ************************